Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain
-Caveat Lector- Andrew Hennessey wrote: -Caveat Lector- yeah, yeah but none of that materialism rationally explains remote data gathered during out of body experiences in distances far beyond the 5 senses operating in the locality of the body. we all have an eternal soul - get used to it andrew Prove it or shut up. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain
Right, plus the spiritual realm is on a different plane of experience than the mental or emotional. There's no reason the spiritual realm can't exist parallel with the nonspiritual, which it does. - Original Message - From: tenebroust To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain -Caveat Lector-I fail to see the controversy in this issue, it seems to me that there is no way to determine which came first God or the brain which thinks of him. Religious experience is also a very personal thing and is experienced markedly differently between any two people and thus will always be unquantifiable.
Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain
-Caveat Lector- Right, plus the spiritual realm is on a different plane of experience than the mental or emotional. There's no reason the spiritual realm can't exist parallel with the nonspiritual, which it does. There's no such thing as spiritual. And you can't demonstrate that there is. All you are describing, is the goings on of the normal and abnormal brain. J2 - Original Message - From: tenebroust To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain -Caveat Lector- I fail to see the controversy in this issue, it seems to me that there is no way to determine which came first God or the brain which thinks of him. Religious experience is also a very personal thing and is experienced markedly differently between any two people and thus will always be unquantifiable. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain
-Caveat Lector- I'd have to agree that there is no way that such a thing as numinous experience can be proven objectively, but would also agree that if it does exist (and I don't rule it out completely) it would exist alongside of the non-spiritual world, for it would have to. On Tue, 19 June 2001, Nurev Ind. wrote: -Caveat Lector- Right, plus the spiritual realm is on a different plane of experience than the mental or emotional. There's no reason the spiritual realm can't exist parallel with the nonspiritual, which it does. There's no such thing as spiritual. And you can't demonstrate that there is. All you are describing, is the goings on of the normal and abnormal brain. J2 - Original Message - From: tenebroust To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain -Caveat Lector- I fail to see the controversy in this issue, it seems to me that there is no way to determine which came first God or the brain which thinks of him. Religious experience is also a very personal thing and is experienced markedly differently between any two people and thus will always be unquantifiable. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Welcome to the desert of the real. Morpheus, in The Matrix My God it's full of stars! Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain
-Caveat Lector- If there is a spiritual realm it cannot be proven objectively but must always remain a subjective experience. If it does exist (and it may) then it must exist simultaneously with the NON-spiritual. On Tue, 19 June 2001, Foxter wrote: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=windows-1252 META content=MSHTML 5.50.4134.600 name=GENERATOR STYLE/STYLE /HEAD BODY bgColor=#c8e0d8 DIVFONT face=Galliard BT color=#80 size=2Right, plus the spiritual realm is on a different plane of experience than the mental or emotional.nbsp; There's no reason the spiritual realm can't exist parallel with the nonspiritual, which it does./FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Galliard BT color=#80 size=2/FONTnbsp;/DIV BLOCKQUOTE style=PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #80 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px DIV style=FONT: 10pt arial- Original Message - /DIV DIV style=BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: blackBFrom:/B A [EMAIL PROTECTED] href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];tenebroust/A /DIV DIV style=FONT: 10pt arialBTo:/B A [EMAIL PROTECTED] href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A /DIV DIV style=FONT: 10pt arialBSent:/B Monday, June 18, 2001 10:45 PM/DIV DIV style=FONT: 10pt arialBSubject:/B Re: [CTRL] Religion amp; The Brain/DIV DIVBR/DIV-Caveat Lector-BRBRI fail to see the controversy in this issue, it seems to me that there is no way to determine which came first God or the brain which thinks of him.nbsp; Religious experience is also a very personal thing and is experienced markedly differently between any two people and thus will always be unquantifiable.BRBRFONT face=Galliard BT color=#80 size=2nbsp;/FONT/BLOCKQUOTE/BODY/HTML Welcome to the desert of the real. Morpheus, in The Matrix My God it's full of stars! Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: Check out an excellent book called The God Part of the Brain and another called Belief and Make Believe. J2 http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/science/A10767-2001Jun16.html Tracing the Synapses of Our Spirituality Researchers Examine Relationship Between Brain and Religion By Shankar Vedantam Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, June 17, 2001; Page A01 In Philadelphia, a researcher discovers areas of the brain that are activated during meditation. At two other universities in San Diego and North Carolina, doctors study how epilepsy and certain hallucinogenic drugs can produce religious epiphanies. And in Canada, a neuroscientist fits people with magnetized helmets that produce spiritual experiences for the secular. The work is part of a broad effort by scientists around the world to better understand religious experiences, measure them, and even reproduce them. Using powerful brain imaging technology, researchers are exploring what mystics call nirvana, and what Christians describe as a state of grace. Scientists are asking whether spirituality can be explained in terms of neural networks, neurotransmitters and brain chemistry. What creates that transcendental feeling of being one with the universe? It could be the decreased activity in the brain's parietal lobe, which helps regulate the sense of self and physical orientation, research suggests. How does religion prompt divine feelings of love and compassion? Possibly because of changes in the frontal lobe, caused by heightened concentration during meditation. Why do many people have a profound sense that religion has changed their lives? Perhaps because spiritual practices activate the temporal lobe, which weights experiences with personal significance. The brain is set up in such a way as to have spiritual experiences and religious experiences, said Andrew Newberg, a Philadelphia scientist who wrote the book Why God Won't Go Away. Unless there is a fundamental change in the brain, religion and spirituality will be here for a very long time. The brain is predisposed to having those experiences and that is why so many people believe in God. The research may represent the bravest frontier of brain research. But depending on your religious beliefs, it may also be the last straw. For while Newberg and other scientists say they are trying to bridge the gap between science and religion, many believers are offended by the notion that God is a creation of the human brain, rather than the other way around. It reinforces atheistic assumptions and makes religion appear useless, said Nancey Murphy, a professor of Christian philosophy at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. If you can explain religious experience purely as a brain phenomenon, you don't need the assumption of the existence of God. Some scientists readily say the research proves there is no such thing as God. But many others argue that they are religious themselves, and that they are simply trying to understand how our minds produce a sense of spirituality. Newberg, who was catapulted to center stage of the neuroscience-religion debate by his book and some recent experiments he conducted at the University of Pennsylvania with co-researcher Eugene D'Aquili, says he has a sense of his own spirituality, though he declined to say whether he believes in God, because any answer would prompt people to question his agenda. I'm really not trying to use science to prove that God exists or disprove God exists, he said. Newberg's experiment consisted of taking brain scans of Tibetan Buddhist meditators as they sat immersed in contemplation. After giving them time to sink into a deep meditative trance, he injected them with a radioactive dye. Patterns of the dye's residues in the brain were later converted into images. Newberg found that certain areas of the brain were altered during deep meditation. Predictably, these included areas in the front of the brain that are involved in concentration. But Newberg also found decreased activity in the parietal lobe, one of the parts of the brain that helps orient a person in three-dimensional space. When people have spiritual experiences they feel they become one with the universe and lose their sense of self, he said. We think that may be because of what is happening in that area -- if you block that area you lose that boundary between the self and the rest of the world. In doing so you ultimately wind up in a universal state. Across the country, at the University of California in San Diego, other neuroscientists are studying why religious experiences seem to accompany epileptic seizures in some patients. At Duke University, psychiatrist Roy Mathew is studying hallucinogenic drugs that can produce mystical experiences and have long been used in certain religious traditions. Could the flash of wisdom that came over Siddhartha
Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain
-Caveat Lector- yeah, yeah but none of that materialism rationally explains remote data gathered during out of body experiences in distances far beyond the 5 senses operating in the locality of the body. we all have an eternal soul - get used to it andrew Tracing the Synapses of Our Spirituality Researchers Examine Relationship Between Brain and Religion By Shankar Vedantam Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, June 17, 2001; Page A01 In Philadelphia, a researcher discovers areas of the brain that are activated during meditation. At two other universities in San Diego and North Carolina, doctors study how epilepsy and certain hallucinogenic drugs can produce religious epiphanies. And in Canada, a neuroscientist fits people with magnetized helmets that produce spiritual experiences for the secular. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain
-Caveat Lector- I fail to see the controversy in this issue, it seems to me that there is no way to determine which came first God or the brain which thinks of him. Religious experience is also a very personal thing and is experienced markedly differently between any two people and thus will always be unquantifiable. On Mon, 18 June 2001, William Shannon wrote: HTMLFONT FACE=arial,helveticaBODY BGCOLOR=#ffA HREF=http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/science/A10767-2001Jun16.html;http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/science/A10767-2001Jun16.html/A BR BR BR BRTracing the Synapses of Our Spirituality BRResearchers Examine Relationship Between Brain and Religion BR BRIBy Shankar Vedantam/I BRWashington Post Staff Writer BR BR BRSunday, June 17, 2001; Page A01 BR BRIn Philadelphia, a researcher discovers areas of the brain that are activated BRduring meditation. At two other universities in San Diego and North Carolina, BRdoctors study how epilepsy and certain hallucinogenic drugs can produce BRreligious epiphanies. And in Canada, a neuroscientist fits people with BRmagnetized helmets that produce spiritual experiences for the secular. BR BRThe work is part of a broad effort by scientists around the world to better BRunderstand religious experiences, measure them, and even reproduce them. BRUsing powerful brain imaging technology, researchers are exploring what BRmystics call nirvana, and what Christians describe as a state of grace. BRScientists are asking whether spirituality can be explained in terms of BRneural networks, neurotransmitters and brain chemistry. BR BRWhat creates that transcendental feeling of being one with the universe? It BRcould be the decreased activity in the brain's parietal lobe, which helps BRregulate the sense of self and physical orientation, research suggests. How BRdoes religion prompt divine feelings of love and compassion? Possibly because BRof changes in the frontal lobe, caused by heightened concentration during BRmeditation. Why do many people have a profound sense that religion has BRchanged their lives? Perhaps because spiritual practices activate the BRtemporal lobe, which weights experiences with personal significance. BR BRThe brain is set up in such a way as to have spiritual experiences and BRreligious experiences, said Andrew Newberg, a Philadelphia scientist who BRwrote the book Why God Won't Go Away. Unless there is a fundamental change BRin the brain, religion and spirituality will be here for a very long time. BRThe brain is predisposed to having those experiences and that is why so many BRpeople believe in God. BR BRThe research may represent the bravest frontier of brain research. But BRdepending on your religious beliefs, it may also be the last straw. For while BRNewberg and other scientists say they are trying to bridge the gap between BRscience and religion, many believers are offended by the notion that God is a BRcreation of the human brain, rather than the other way around. BR BRIt reinforces atheistic assumptions and makes religion appear useless, said BRNancey Murphy, a professor of Christian philosophy at Fuller Theological BRSeminary in Pasadena, Calif. If you can explain religious experience purely BRas a brain phenomenon, you don't need the assumption of the existence of God. BR BRSome scientists readily say the research proves there is no such thing as BRGod. But many others argue that they are religious themselves, and that they BRare simply trying to understand how our minds produce a sense of spirituality. BR BRNewberg, who was catapulted to center stage of the neuroscience-religion BRdebate by his book and some recent experiments he conducted at the University BRof Pennsylvania with co-researcher Eugene D'Aquili, says he has a sense of BRhis own spirituality, though he declined to say whether he believes in God, BRbecause any answer would prompt people to question his agenda. I'm really BRnot trying to use science to prove that God exists or disprove God exists, BRhe said. BR BRNewberg's experiment consisted of taking brain scans of Tibetan Buddhist BRmeditators as they sat immersed in contemplation. After giving them time to BRsink into a deep meditative trance, he injected them with a radioactive dye. BRPatterns of the dye's residues in the brain were later converted into images. BR BRNewberg found that certain areas of the brain were altered during deep BRmeditation. Predictably, these included areas in the front of the brain that BRare involved in concentration. But Newberg also found decreased activity in BRthe parietal lobe, one of the parts of the brain that helps orient a person BRin three-dimensional space. BR BRWhen people have spiritual experiences they feel they become one with the BRuniverse and lose their sense of self, he said. We think that may be BRbecause of what is happening in that area -- if you block that area you lose
Re: [CTRL] Religion and Mythology/ plus Const for Fed of Earth.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Thanks for the posting Nicky. I've read about the PGA before in Jeremy Lee's books. He saw them as something sinister. I must admit that while I have grave reservations about their scheme and certainly have a bone to pick with them for abusing the trust of their constituents by embarking on this sort of altruistic power-trip without making it an open part of their platform, I very much doubt it will come to anything. In part it reflects their own naive idealism, but also the reality that their power as politicians is becoming increasingly circumscribed by global economic integration. It's attempt to claw something back at a global level. I doubt it will succeed. The "Resistance" you speak of sounds intriguing and I'd certainly appreciate some more info. BD. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion and Mythology/ plus Const for Fed of Earth.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- That all sounds pretty wild, especially the "Committe of 12 to Save the World". I wonder, though, about this Constitution for the Federation of Earth. Who is putting this up? Is that group Parliamentarians for World Order or some other globalist organisation of people who think they're saving the world by enlisting the elite to make the decision for us first before using emotive arguments to sway the masses if the elite won't budge? BD A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion and Mythology/ plus Const for Fed of Earth.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Hello BD, The Committee of 12 to Save the World are the most powerful resistance composed of former and present Intelligence agents and other people who actually know what is going on and I'll get you some more info.They are opposed to the NWO. I can't stake my life on this but possibly Jim Keith was on it. Dr John Coleman, Commander X and Constance Cumbey. Matthew Fox is actually afraid of this woman. The gaia worship that they are building inch by inch incorporating the mainstream Christian religions is being exposed by her. This is brought about with instructions from Alice Baileys team at UN.We do have a heap of hackers also doing major damage to the Illuminatis bank accounts. One group is the 5th Column I think. The other is the Hong Kong..? The Parliamentarians for Global Action are current politicians (including our NZ Prime Minister and deputy) who want a piece of the pie when the world gets subtly swallowed up in this. Every year they have World Constitution Assemblies.These go under the name of Global Ratification and Elections Network, which includes several hundred organizations, to promote ratification of Constitution for Federation of Earth. They elect delegates to World Parliament. There are 400 organizations in 75 countries with 15 million individual members. [1993 figures]It is UN associated. There are a complete absence of names of who is behind this, but there were 15 pages of signatures of people from throughout the world. This is the only address. The Global GREN headquraters, 1480 Hoyt St., Suite 31, lakewood, Colorado 80215. USA. Who has the money for these meetings and the work involved? Maybe it is on the net. I'll check.There are so many laws its like one has to have permission to get a potplant. I aquired this last week, when my next door neighbour was at the Colour Clinic and was sitting next to the NZ leader of the Resistance.She brought him home to meet me and he had a copy on him. After looking at it carefully I don't think we'll be able to get out of this one. Its happening right before our eyes and I never noticed.Anyone else notice? Its like an inevitable fate noone can escape. The world is doomed unless, is repeated throughout. There are 19 articles and I'll scan as many as I can, under the heading NWO 4 Articles 1 - 19 They have divided the world into 20 zones and 5 world capitals. Our politicians have lied and committed treason. I scanned 3 pages under title NWO 1-3 Nicky [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- That all sounds pretty wild, especially the "Committe of 12 to Save the World". I wonder, though, about this Constitution for the Federation of Earth. Who is putting this up? Is that group Parliamentarians for World Order or some other globalist organisation of people who think they're saving the world by enlisting the elite to make the decision for us first before using emotive arguments to sway the masses if the elite won't budge? BD A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion and Mythology/ plus Const for Fed of Earth.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Hi Andy etc, 20 years ago - You're going to hell - that's now passe. It's obligatory for any cutting edge interpreter of prophecy to now know the latest technology, inc mind control, Blue Beam holograms, weather control, HAARP, satellite tracking devices, implants, Maitreya's Day of Destiny as World Teacher, the latest Freemason activities, what UN is doing with all these environment programs and details of occult rituals the secret societies are doing..Hal Lindsay stuff nobody wants now. Boring. Its a race to produce the most hair raising newsletter and we want verification, not opinion.. This site apparently gets insider occult info: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/headline.html Its not Bible thumping to save souls now - its preaching physical survival from big bro. The other thing is people claiming to be Christians but are really just following NWO agenda for 'unity'. Just check how many Christian organizations on the Committee of 300 by John Coleman. Here's the url for parts 3 and 4. Secret Societies. Committee of 300 http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/secret031.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/secret032.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/secret.html There seems to be a common concern and sharing of info from the resistance now, with UFO researchers, New Agers, technocrat/political evangelists alike helping each other. Magazines put everyone together now. Christians also do remote viewing and enter other dimensions as in "The Committee of 12 to Save the World " [Dr John Coleman, Commander X and Constance Cumbey are on this] Personally I think there's no time to be trying to get enlightened, better to study politics and catch the UN laws take away your freedom and fight back by distributing info. Its in the Bible about the mass genocide, war in heaven, people coming out of the underworld. Better have somewhere to hide. For anyone else reading this I managed to secure a copy of the Constitution for the Federation of Earth amended in 1991 in Portugal.(One World Govt) The Parliamentarians in waiting have already been given their roles and there were 15 pages of signatures from people around the world waiting for the day to be called. These are Nobel Laureates, World Court Judges, UN Ambassadors, Noted Scientists, and Professors. They have 80% of the world's countries in on this and 90% of world's population. At 51 detailed pages of laws it is too much to scan, but I'll write the basics.The preamble is WE ARE ALL ONE. Make that WE WILL FORCE YOU TO BE ONE. Article XIX Section B no 3 After 6 months, in those countries where national govts have not responded favorably to the ratification call, the Ratification Commission and World Elections Commission may proceed jointly to accomplish both the ratification of the World commission by popular referendum and concurrently the election of members of the World Parliament. Nicky blue honey wrote: Well Nicky, You started off on the same subject, but you started to stray just a bit into time machines, ETs, and UN foreign troops, however I will comment on a couple of remarks you made. The drawback of the psychedelic 'we are one/divine/there is no separation' experience is it only lasts for the duration of the high. I have friends who are aging hippies, still looking for the answers by going to fortune tellers. This is news to me, are you speaking from experience? I ask that because in my case - the reflection if the psychedelic experience can be just as important as the experience itself. In other words, the experience stays with you for a long time, not flashbacks, not that at all but rather the 'one/divine/there is no separation feeling has lasted years and grows stronger with time. And yes, I am getting a glimpse into the unknown territory, and yes my entry has been earned, otherwise I would have bad trips and choose not to return. I agree that taking too many drugs can distort ones perception of reality, but so can having too much sex or too much of anything. Take too many drugs and you won't be able to tell the difference between the multiple realities existing in the universe. Don't take any and you may think there is only one. Psychedelic revelations won't save you Save me? I don't use entheogens to be saved, I use them for enlightenment. (- andy www.bluehoney.org PS - I agree with the zodiac theory. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- lol, Andy... You are the one who DID mention green cheese in your previous post to the one answered. The only thing that I am going to say is that I do not believe the Bible 100% as it is written in English because Hebrew, Chaldean and Greek reveal almost a whole different picture than what you get from many of the modernday folklore Bible teachers. I am not going to waste my time either, because I have nothing to convince you of. You seem to already know it all. However, if you are ever interested in learning the Bible, to make a proper and true assessment, it doesn't matter what I have to say, you have to learn it and experience it on your own. I would never tell a child that if you don't do this thus and so, they are going to burn in hell forever... because that is a lie. Whoever has told you that one has lied and I would agree to a certain point with you on your assessment. But you are like all other athiest and agnostics... you want to lump all religion into one category, and one belief system. Sorry, that's just not the way it is. Although technically, when it boils down to the bottom line, and eventually all will know, there is but one absolute, and one truth. You've said you're not going to waste your time? Don't worry, I won't waste yours, because this forum is not the place to waste my time on this subject. IF you care to learn more about some subjects you're welcome to visit my websites. And I still will not try to convince you that you should believe this way or that way. The information is there strictly for your consideration. If you believe the Bible references given, fine. If you don't, fine, too. However, regardless, it's your choice as to what you believe. I'm not here to convince you that there is or isn't a God, or that the Bible is or isn't true. I've only expressed my own opinion... and YES, I believe in God, and that the Bible in it's original languages is true, and it is from experience. eagle 1 http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds/hell.html - Original Message - From: "blue honey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Religion and Mythology -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I think that I narrowed that wide-open category down just a bit when I included my definition of believers in the very sentence that I used the word Believers: Someone who believes that the bible was written by God and that it's 100 % true from cover to cover. lolI never mentioned gravity, or a moon made of cheese. No brain washing?!? Telling a child that not believing in God will result in burning in hell forever,...I'm not even going to waste my time typing all the instances of brainwashing that goes on in Sunday school with songs, chants and other techniques, it should be completely obvious that many children have no choice but to become a Christian because that's what their parents are. Faith, to me is not healthy. Faith is accepting ignorance, you have used the word "experienced" 3 or 4 times in you post, have you had a true religious experience? I have and I can tell you that it had nothing to do with faith, it was the opposite of faith. Does your religion rely on faith rather than experience? Dogma and creeds are not my cup of tea. I have no need for faith, it is the psychedelic experience itself that takes one past faith to the natural unity and integrity of the universe, showing us our Selves as integral parts of the whole; that reveals to us the infinite splendor of our universe, and the overlooked miracle that is common consciousness. Any religion that requires faith and gives none, that defends against religious experiences, that gives credence to some bizarre superstition that humankind is in some way separate, divorced from the rest of creation, one that does not bridge the gap between the Mind, Body and Soul, is no religion at all! You stated that I have just found something to disagree with and that I just want to thump the thumpers, but you are the one that went off ranting about green cheese and gravity...I'm not giving this post any more of my time. andy www.bluehoney.org bluehoney wrote: These are "believers" that blindly believe that the bible was written by God and it is 100% true from cover to cover. Talking logic to these people is impossible. Please define "believers"... that is a wide-open category. Everyone believes in something. You must believe in gravity, and believe in it blindly... because it can only be understood in theory. It cannot be physically examined, but it certainly can be experienced, and I'm sure you "believe" in it's reality and its effects. :) Don't knock it, 'til you try it, honey... For example, If you want t
Re: [CTRL] Religion and Mythology/ plus Const for Fed of Earth.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Sounds like the cult of the Raelians to me... but I could be wrong... but then, that's just my opinion. You can check out the cult of the raelians by going: http://www.rael.org/ http://www.rael.org/int/english/summary/summary.html http://www.rael.org/int/english/philosophy/philosophy.html eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Nicola Molloy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Religion and Mythology/ plus Const for Fed of Earth. -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Hi Andy etc, 20 years ago - You're going to hell - that's now passe. It's obligatory for any cutting edge interpreter of prophecy to now know the latest technology, inc mind control, Blue Beam holograms, weather control, HAARP, satellite tracking devices, implants, Maitreya's Day of Destiny as World Teacher, the latest Freemason activities, what UN is doing with all these environment programs and details of occult rituals the secret societies are doing..Hal Lindsay stuff nobody wants now. Boring. Its a race to produce the most hair raising newsletter and we want verification, not opinion.. This site apparently gets insider occult info: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/headline.html Its not Bible thumping to save souls now - its preaching physical survival from big bro. The other thing is people claiming to be Christians but are really just following NWO agenda for 'unity'. Just check how many Christian organizations on the Committee of 300 by John Coleman. Here's the url for parts 3 and 4. Secret Societies. Committee of 300 http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/secret031.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/secret032.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/secret.html There seems to be a common concern and sharing of info from the resistance now, with UFO researchers, New Agers, technocrat/political evangelists alike helping each other. Magazines put everyone together now. Christians also do remote viewing and enter other dimensions as in "The Committee of 12 to Save the World " [Dr John Coleman, Commander X and Constance Cumbey are on this] Personally I think there's no time to be trying to get enlightened, better to study politics and catch the UN laws take away your freedom and fight back by distributing info. Its in the Bible about the mass genocide, war in heaven, people coming out of the underworld. Better have somewhere to hide. For anyone else reading this I managed to secure a copy of the Constitution for the Federation of Earth amended in 1991 in Portugal.(One World Govt) The Parliamentarians in waiting have already been given their roles and there were 15 pages of signatures from people around the world waiting for the day to be called. These are Nobel Laureates, World Court Judges, UN Ambassadors, Noted Scientists, and Professors. They have 80% of the world's countries in on this and 90% of world's population. At 51 detailed pages of laws it is too much to scan, but I'll write the basics.The preamble is WE ARE ALL ONE. Make that WE WILL FORCE YOU TO BE ONE. Article XIX Section B no 3 After 6 months, in those countries where national govts have not responded favorably to the ratification call, the Ratification Commission and World Elections Commission may proceed jointly to accomplish both the ratification of the World commission by popular referendum and concurrently the election of members of the World Parliament. Nicky blue honey wrote: Well Nicky, You started off on the same subject, but you started to stray just a bit into time machines, ETs, and UN foreign troops, however I will comment on a couple of remarks you made. The drawback of the psychedelic 'we are one/divine/there is no separation' experience is it only lasts for the duration of the high. I have friends who are aging hippies, still looking for the answers by going to fortune tellers. This is news to me, are you speaking from experience? I ask that because in my case - the reflection if the psychedelic experience can be just as important as the experience itself. In other words, the experience stays with you for a long time, not flashbacks, not that at all but rather the 'one/divine/there is no separation feeling has lasted years and grows stronger with time. And yes, I am getting a glimpse into the unknown territory, and yes my entry has been earned, otherwise I would have bad trips and choose not to return. I agree that taking too many drugs can distort ones perception of reality, but so can having too much sex or too much of anything. Take too many drugs and you won't be able to tell the difference between the multiple realities existing in the universe. Don't take any and you may think there
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Christians also do remote viewing Lemme tell you about my dog. I adopted him because his previous owners, who had found him as a stray, couldn't handle him. He was rambunctious and disobedient. I taught him to be mannerly and subordinate. First thing I did was use a keyhole to convince him that I could either read his mind, see through walls, or both. After that, training him was a piece of cake. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- My problem with the "if you do that, you'll go to hell" scenario is that it makes one's salvation dependent upon "good works." And people use that as rationalization for just about anything. "I can do whatever, because I can make it up doing 'good works'." Many people also use the salvation by faith scenario to justify doing all kinds of bad things: "I can sin all I want to; God will forgive me." Both are sheer hypocrisy. If one truly has faith, then from that faith flows the desire to do good. You're not doing it in anticipation of the reward either now or later, but because the faith inspires you to serve, and to give. Tenorlove hoping that makes sense __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Good works do not come from faith...at least not in my case. There is a difference between a man who is moral because he fears evil, and a man who is moral because he knows he is perfectly free to be immoral. So for those who feel faith is not healthy...what drives them (us) to do good? If one truly has faith, then from that faith flows the desire to do good. andy www.bluehoney.org A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- So for those who feel faith is not healthy...what drives them (us) to do good? You tell me. Regards, Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Well one last word before I give up. There is a big grey area between many Christians who know nothing about the occult/ufos/mind control etc and those Christians who do know whats really going on. Lets just put these in the category of 'aware' Christian resistance. OK Then there are the people who are not Christians who know nothing about Christianity and are still living in the past, thinking 'Christians' are ruled by some primal urge to divide life into that of the devil and that of God and don't actually use any rationality. Wrong. The last 5 years has produced many people who can combine faith with intellect/research of the NWO and they do have something worth listening to to add to the power of the resistance. Sorry Eagle you are so far off the mark! So we can't fit you in the 'aware' Christian category sorry. Nicky Eagle 1 wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Sounds like the cult of the Raelians to me... but I could be wrong... but then, that's just my opinion. You can check out the cult of the raelians by going: http://www.rael.org/ http://www.rael.org/int/english/summary/summary.html http://www.rael.org/int/english/philosophy/philosophy.html eagle 1 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- By "knowing" that all is connected and that by harming others is truly harming your Self. And on that note, I would like to take back something that I said earlier...I do have faith, I have faith in Karma. ;-) andy www.bluehoney.org You tell me. Regards, Tenorlove A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- --- blue honey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By "knowing" that all is connected and that by harming others is truly harming your Self. In other words, the Golden Rule. And on that note, I would like to take back something that I said earlier...I do have faith, I have faith in Karma. :-D __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- bluehoney wrote: These are "believers" that blindly believe that the bible was written by God and it is 100% true from cover to cover. Talking logic to these people is impossible. Please define "believers"... that is a wide-open category. Everyone believes in something. You must believe in gravity, and believe in it blindly... because it can only be understood in theory. It cannot be physically examined, but it certainly can be experienced, and I'm sure you "believe" in it's reality and its effects. :) Don't knock it, 'til you try it, honey... For example, If you want to believe that the moon is made of green cheese... and is served best with ranch dressing, and if you also believe you've tasted it and experienced it... and you think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, it would be impossible to talk logic with you either. People who believe the Bible was written by God, and those whom you call impossible to talk logic, more than likely have had a life changing experience that has convinced them that the Bible is true. There is no brainwashing or mind control. It's called FAITH. A very healthy human attribute. Sounds to me that you've just found something in life and the social culture to disagree with and you just want to thump the thumpers. (I actually don't blame you to some degree)... But, If you haven't experienced it, you cannot logically judge someone who claims to have experienced it. One cancels the other. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "blue honey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:49 AM Subject: [CTRL] Religion and Mythology (was BUSH IS A REPTILIAN) -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- No I didn't consider that. But aside from snakes, think about this - Horus from Egypt (was prophesized to be great, born of a virgin on Dec. 25, taught in a temple at the age of 12, had 12 deciples, was slain on a cross between 2 thieves, often represented with a triangle...), Quentalocatl of Mexico (was prophesized to be great, born of a virgin, was tempted and fasted for 40 days, was slain in atonement for primal sin, often represented as the trinity and signified by 3 crosses, his second coming is confidently expected...) and the list goes on to Beddru from Japan and like I said before, there are dozens of characters through out time that share strikingly similar qualities. So what happened in Ancient Sumer that spawned this global myth of a hero? And why is Christianity so widely believed to be true (in this country)? There's your conspiracy my friend: highly educated people, grown adults in the year 2000 believe with all their heart that the miracles and impossibilities in the bible actually could have happened. Most would rather burn in hell for eternity rather than say that they don't believe. I don't care if these prescientific minds believed thunder was a god and snakes can sneak up and bite you, sometimes causing death...maybe that's why they are "evil". But in the information age there are 100,000 new Christians each day. What's the deal? These are "believers" that blindly believe that the bible was written by God and it is 100% true from cover to cover. Talking logic to these people is impossible. Mind control? Brainwashing? You tell me, because I still believe in Santa... andy www.bluehoney.org Blue Honey, have you considered the geographical proximity of the religions you cite which regard the snake as evil, and that these seemingly disparate religions are in fact variations on a much older theme from a single source within the same area which is Ancient Sumer... BD A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Well Andy,
The drawback of the psychedelic 'we are one/divine/there is no
separation' experience is it only lasts for the duration of the high.
You have only opened one of the top chakras artificially, by the drug
burning holes in the barrier which separates this reality from a
higher.You are only getting a glimpse into the unknown territory, which
entry is earned by those who follow the rules as laid out in the
Bible.eg save your kundalini. Take too many drugs and you won't be able
to tell the difference between the multiple realities existing in the
universe.
I think the Bible is interpreted with different states of consciousness
according to how much a person can digest of deeper experiences
according to need. Others see ETs everywhere. Some interpret it
symbolically because they can't yet grasp it inspirationally. Focusing
on the hell part is an inability to see the reason why God would want to
create 12 races to develop differing paths of mankind to evolve. If you
read Josephus [approx 70AD] he said each of the 12 tribes represented
one sign of the Zodiac.
At the end of the Bible in Revelation Ch 7:3 it says 12,000 of each
tribe will have the seal of God on their forheads. Obviously God has a
plan to ensure survival of the human body of those who have the right
DNA to start again in the next dimension. The light in the forehead
would be indicative of the presence of the higher ethers necessary to
change dimension. At present the so called 6th Aryan race would like to
accomplish this feat technologically,{see the post of 2 days ago [US
Military fake rapture and genocide -Important, sent 4th March] but
those descendants of the Nordic Pleiadians dip out here, unless they
have interbred with the tribe of Benjamin who migrated to Scandanavia.
Why worry about hell after death, it's hell during life you need to
avoid, when the hoards of hell in their underground bases in US will be
emerging in unison with the UN foreign troops to round up the
population. It's pretty obvious that all of are being categorised by the
Ets, for evacuation purposes. I believe millions will be transported off
the planet to be put back later to return to an earth that has changed
position in space.
The Ets know this from their time machines and can take who they want
if they are not claimed by Jesus' army. Will one come back or not this
is the real worry? Have you not heard of the fluoresent marks people
have returned with after ET abduction. Psychedelic revelations won't
save you, I think it is a matter of fitting into the right category by
unseen hands. We decide nothing! We are not 'all one' we are DNA
categorised by those who run the solar system, and decide who gets born
in what family.
Nicky
blue honey wrote:
Dogma and creeds are not my cup of tea. I have no
need for faith, it is the psychedelic experience itself that takes one past
faith to the natural unity and integrity of the universe, showing us our
Selves as integral parts of the whole; that reveals to us the infinite
splendor of our universe, and the overlooked miracle that is common
consciousness. Any religion that requires faith and gives none, that defends
against religious experiences, that gives credence to some bizarre
superstition that humankind is in some way separate, divorced from the rest
of creation, one that does not bridge the gap between the Mind, Body and
Soul, is no religion at all!
andy
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Eagle 1 wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- bluehoney wrote: These are "believers" that blindly believe that the bible was written by God and it is 100% true from cover to cover. Talking logic to these people is impossible. Please define "believers"... that is a wide-open category. Not really Eagle 1. It's pretty well understood why certain people choose to " believe " as opposed to actually think. It's not a good reason, and it's not worthy of respect. For those believers with guts, check out the book below. Joshua2 BELIEF AND MAKE-BELIEVE by G. A. Wells Why do so many people - sometimes even intelligent people - swallow the preposterous claims of religion? G.A. Wells, the leading freethinker of our time, tries to shed light on this puzzle in his entertaining and enormously learned book, Belief and Make-Believe. Professor Wells begins by analyzing the nature of belief. To dispel popular confusions on the relation between words and thoughts, he compares the thinking processes of scientists, laymen, and chimpanzees. The power of emotion and instinct to help form people's ideological outlooks is analyzed by reference to "defiance" and "reliance", polar attitudes which arise from the need for dominance and submission in primate groups. Wells shows the influence of defiance and reliance in patriotism and in monotheistic religions, where submission to the will of the omnipotent is a wonderful technique for feeling secure in the face of life's actual and ineradicable dangers. Since all knowledgeable Christians now accept that the Bible is uneven, unreliable, and sometimes morally abhorrent, and that the New Testament account of the origin of Christianity is mostly legend, various attempts have been made to save something from the debris by selective re-interpretation. Wells evaluates several typical examples, showing how the apologists shrink from the clear implications of their arguments, which would demolish the whole edifice of Christian doctrine. Finally, Professor Wells debunks some of the extravagant and mystical claims that have been made for the arts, notably poetry, as quasi-religious vehicles for gaining insights into the human condition. George Wells is professor emeritus of German in the University of London. Re is a leading authority on both German intellectual history and the origins of Christiani- ty. His books include Goethe and the Development of Science, The Origin of language, Religious Postures, and Who Was Jesus? = Everyone believes in something. You must believe in gravity, and believe in it blindly... because it can only be understood in theory. Ridiculous. There are NO CONSEQUENCES to believing or not believing in gravity. Belief is irrelevant because it is real and operates upon us whether we know it exists or not. God, on the other hand has no existence outside the " belief " of humans. It is ONLY through belief that god exists. It cannot be physically examined, but it certainly can be experienced, and I'm sure you "believe" in it's reality and its effects. :) Don't knock it, 'til you try it, honey... For example, If you want to believe that the moon is made of green cheese... and is served best with ranch dressing, and if you also believe you've tasted it and experienced it... and you think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, it would be impossible to talk logic with you either. You got that right. And what you are describing here is a form of insanity based on an aversion to reality for whatever reason. Usually simple cowardice. People who believe the Bible was written by God, and those whom you call impossible to talk logic, more than likely have had a life changing experience that has convinced them that the Bible is true. There is no brainwashing or mind control. It's called FAITH. A very healthy human attribute. WOW! What a whopper! Faith ONLY exists through brainwashing and mind control. ONLY! Faith is nothing more than self delusion. There is nothing healthy about it. Not only does faith cause you to believe in the utterly ridiculous, like biologically impossible virgin births and even more absurd resurrections from the dead, it makes the believer a carrier of mental illness which is passed to large numbers of people orally. It then spreads to entire populations and induces mass insanity where even the same ethnic groups start killing each other over religiously induced hal- ucinations. One need merely cite Ireland, Yugoslavia, Nigeria, and Sudan. Sounds to me that you've just found something in life and the social culture to disagree with and you just want to thump the thumpers. (I actually don't blame you to some degree)... But, If you haven't experienced it, you cannot logically judge someone who claims to have experienced it. One cancels the other. eagle 1
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- A bit of humor on the same subject: Kissing Hank's Ass by Jim Huber This morning there was a knock at my door. When I answered the door I found a well-groomed, nicely dressed couple. The man spoke first: John: "Hi! I'm John and this is Mary." Mary: "Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's ass with us." Me: "Pardon me?! What are you talking about? Who's Hank, and why would I want to kiss his ass?" John: "If you kiss Hank's ass, he'll give you a million dollars; and if you don't, he'll kick the shit out of you." Me: "What? Is this some kind of bizarre mob shake-down?" John: "Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do anything he wants, and what he wants is to give you a million dollars, but he can't until you kiss his ass." Me: "That doesn't make any sense. Why..." Mary: "Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the ass?" Me: "Well maybe, if it's legit, but..." John: "Then come kiss Hank's ass with us." Me: "Do you kiss Hank's ass often?" Mary: "Oh yes, all the time..." Me: "And has he given you a million dollars?" John: "Well no, you don't actually get the money until you leave town." Me: "So why don't you just leave town now?" Mary: "You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money and he kicks the shit out of you." Me: "Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's ass, left town, and got the million dollars?" John: "My mother kissed Hank's ass for years. She left town last year, and I'm sure she got the money." Me: "Haven't you talked to her since then?" John: "Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it." Me: "So what makes you think he'll actually give you the money if you've never talked to anyone who got the money?" Mary: "Well, he gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you'll get a raise, maybe you'll win a small lotto, maybe you'll just find a twenty dollar bill on the street." Me: "What's that got to do with Hank?" John: "Hank has certain 'connections'." Me: "I'm sorry, but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game." John: "But it's a million dollars, can you really take the chance? And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass he'll kick the shit out of you." Me: "Maybe if I could see Hank, talk to him, get the details straight from him..." John: "No one sees Hank, no one talks to Hank." Me: "Then how do you kiss his ass?" John: "Sometimes we just blow him a kiss, and think of his ass. Other times we kiss Karl's ass, and he passes it on." Me: "Who's Karl?" Mary: "A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing Hank's ass. All we had to do is take him out to dinner a few times." Me: "And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss his ass, and that Hank would reward you?" John: "Oh no! Karl's got a letter Hank sent him years ago explaining the whole thing. Here's a copy; see for yourself." From the desk of Karl Kiss Hank's ass and he'll give you a million dollars when you leave town. Drink only in moderation. Kick the shit out of people who aren't like you. Eat right. Hank dictated this list himself. The Moon is made of green cheese. Everything Hank says is right. Wash your hands after going to the bathroom. Don't use alcohol. Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments. Kiss Hank's ass or he'll kick the shit out of you. Me: "This would appear to be written on Karl's letterhead." Mary: "Hank didn't have any paper." Me: "I have a hunch that if we checked, we'd find this is Karl's handwriting." John: "Of course, Hank dictated it." Me: "I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?" Mary: "Not now, but years ago he would talk to some people." Me: "I thought you said Hank was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the shit out of people just because they're different?" Mary: "It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right." Me: "How do you figure that?" Mary: "Item 7 says 'Everything Hank says is right.' That's good enough for me!" Me: "Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up." John: "No way! Item 5 says 'Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides, item 2 says 'Drink in moderation,' item 4 says 'Eat right,' and item 8 says 'Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows those things are right, so the rest must be true, too." Me: "But 9 says 'Don't use alcohol,' which doesn't quite go with item 2, and 6 says 'The Moon is made of green cheese,' which is just plain wrong." John: "There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you've never been to the Moon, so you can't say for sure." Me: "Scientists have pretty firmly established that the Moon is made of rock..." Mary: "But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from out of space, so it could just as easily be green cheese." Me: "I'm not
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- That's a very interesting post, as you can probably tell I'm reading that book too. My concern is the mind set of today, why grown adults blindly believe something that is obviously untrue. Then these same people make their new found religion fit their lifestyle instead of making their lifestyle fit their religion...it's so silly. -andy www.bluehoney.org I'm currently reading the book "The Christ Conspiracy", which digs *really* deep into the above insights. Extremely fascinating reading. The authors website is http://www.truthbeknown.com/, but her book contains 10x the information. Another interesting conspiracy theory on the origin of religion, which is pretty hard to swallow, but worth considering nonetheless, is found in the books: "..."The Axe was God", "The Rod Was Mercury" and "Thirty-Thousand Gods before Jehovah", all authored by the same person. I think these books were originally published in the 1930's or 40's. The premise of these books, which must be taken into consideration when reading this section, is that there was a worldwide "PRIESTHOOD" that existed before the dawn of Christianity and it was these "Thirty-thousand" or so HIGH Priests which ruled the world from the hilltops among scattered Islands and mainlands. They possessed maps which allowed them to send pirate crews of Lower Priests through the seas to the different lands to convince the people of the "Reality" of the various Gods which ruled the people. Very Much like "Zardoz". These Gods and lower priests alone knew the different languages and taught each of them to the different peoples. No one area of people were allowed to know the language of the other tribes or groups of people. The Gate which one could not pass was the "Babylon" or "Gate of the Gods", where one would be severely punished If trespassed. This kept the people from sharing information and figuring out what was really going on. This was also the "Garden of Eden" where the gods presided. Only the "Gods" knew of the powers of "Fire" and gunpowder and could cause great disturbances which made the people fear the repercussions and deliver to the "Gods" Gold, jewels, and various sacrifices including humans. The Rod of Mercury was carried by the Lower Priest, hereafter referred to as just the "Priests", which were one rank lower than the "Gods", the highest priests. This Caudaceas would allow them to pass unharmed into the different areas to administer limited information to the King of the Peoples. (The King was under the Priests). If one tribe got out of line, then "Jehovah" would unleash his wrath by sending an army from "Baal's" land to destroy some of "Jehovah's" people, by sending a Priest to "Baal's" land and informing them that there was an army planning an invasion over to the North or something. That they must attack them and kill them etc. When this happened, the remaining people would be frightened and say, "Well, I guess we should have listened to Jehovah, he was right, look at how he was able to destroy us like that". http://www.freedomdomain.com/language.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- blue honey wrote: That's a very interesting post, as you can probably tell I'm reading that book too. My concern is the mind set of today, why grown adults blindly believe something that is obviously untrue. Consider the following scenario: [also note that the Priesthood theory in my previous post should be taken in context with the theories on the "origins of human power structures" by Bucky Fuller (re: "Legally Piggily" "Grunch of Giants") and Lysander Spooner in Part III of "Natural Law; Or the Science of Justice", see: http://www.geocities.com/philately.geo/terrocrat.htm Integrated with what follows, it's a bit more palatable]: -- from: "The Anatomy of Slavespeak" by Frederick Mann http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl07a.shtml -- Two Tribes Consider two different isolated tribes somewhere in the jungles of South America. Call them Tribe 1 and Tribe 2. Each has its unique language with its own structure. The language of Tribe 1 (Language 1) tends to be very literal. A man who fishes, for example, is called "man-who-fishes." The same man, while sleeping, is called "man-who-sleeps"; while talking, "man-who-talks"; while running, "man-who-runs"; while eating, man-who-eats"; while writing, "man-who-writes"; while making a chair, "man-who-makes-chair"; while giving orders, "man-who-gives-orders"; etc. In Language 1, distinctions are made between different kinds of words: "Thing-words," "Do-words," "How-words," "Story-words," "Funny-words," "Order-words," "Panic-words," "What-words," "Who-words," "Why-words," "When-words," "Where-words," etc. High-level abstractions are rare in language 1. To the people of Tribe 1, any word that doesn't refer to something physically perceivable, is highly suspect. Their test for reality is physical. The language of Tribe 2 (Language 2) is very different. A man who obtains his wherewithal mostly by fishing, is called "fisherman." (This system of nomenclature would seem absurd to the people of Tribe 1 -- how can you call someone a "fisherman" when he is not fishing, but sleeping?) Language 2 contains many high-level abstractions -- like "happiness." People from Tribe 2 can talk for hours about "happiness." (To someone from Tribe 1, this would be incomprehensible -- they only talk about "woman-who-is-happy" while she is happy, and "woman-who-is-sad" while she is sad. The notion that you could separate "happiness" from a real person being happy, and talk about "happiness" as if it existed by itself, would be completely unthinkable to someone from Tribe 1.) To the people from Tribe 2, any word being used is automatically assumed to be part of existence, otherwise people wouldn't use it. (To someone from Tribe 1, the word "existence" would be a meaningless absurdity, because in their mentality only particular objects exist.) In Tribe 2, the test for reality is agreement. If other people agree with a word and the way it seems to be used, then that word is automatically accepted as valid and useful. One day a strange man arrives at the place where the people of Tribe 1 live. They ask him: "Who you?" He: "I King." They: "Your name King?" He: "No; my name John." They: "Why call self King if name John?" He: "I special person, agent of God." They: "You look different but not special; who God?" He: "God creator of world." They: "Where God?; How create world?" He: "God everywhere; God all-powerful." They: "How we see God?" He: "Can't see God." They: "You speak crazy." He: "No; I special; I show you." Whereupon the stranger performs various tricks like apparently making objects appear and disappear. They: "You clever man-who-tricks." He: "I special; I King." They: "You speak funny; you clever John-who-tricks." He: "I King; my word law." They: "What law? -- special word?" He: "Yes; my word law -- you must obey." They: "Ah! You mean order-word!" He: "Yes; I King; I make law." They: "No; you speak order-word?" He: "Yes; I special." They: "What special? -- Anybody speak order-word?" He: "You not understand." They: "No." Eventually John-the-stranger gives up trying to convince the people of Tribe 1 that he has a "special status" and that his words are different from the words of anyone else -- so he leaves, to search for more gullible and impressionable victims elsewhere... For many days and nights he trudges through the jungle before discovering the people of Tribe 2. They: "Who you?" He: "I King." They: "Your name King?" He: "No, my name John." They: "Why call self King if name John?" He: "I special person, agent of God." They: "You look different; what God?" He: "God creator of world." They: Where God?; How create world?" He "God everywhere; God all-powerful." They: "Show special?" Whereupon the stranger performs various tricks like apparently making objects appear and disappear. They: "You King, agent of God." He: "Yes, my word law." They: "What law?" He: "Law special word of God through me; you must obey."
Re: [CTRL] Religion and Mythology
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- blue honey wrote: But aside from snakes, think about this - Horus from Egypt (was prophesized to be great, born of a virgin on Dec. 25, taught in a temple at the age of 12, had 12 deciples, was slain on a cross between 2 thieves, often represented with a triangle...), Quentalocatl of Mexico (was prophesized to be great, born of a virgin, was tempted and fasted for 40 days, was slain in atonement for primal sin, often represented as the trinity and signified by 3 crosses, his second coming is confidently expected...) and the list goes on to Beddru from Japan and like I said before, there are dozens of characters through out time that share strikingly similar qualities. I'm currently reading the book "The Christ Conspiracy", which digs *really* deep into the above insights. Extremely fascinating reading. The authors website is http://www.truthbeknown.com/, but her book contains 10x the information. Another interesting conspiracy theory on the origin of religion, which is pretty hard to swallow, but worth considering nonetheless, is found in the books: "..."The Axe was God", "The Rod Was Mercury" and "Thirty-Thousand Gods before Jehovah", all authored by the same person. I think these books were originally published in the 1930's or 40's. The premise of these books, which must be taken into consideration when reading this section, is that there was a worldwide "PRIESTHOOD" that existed before the dawn of Christianity and it was these "Thirty-thousand" or so HIGH Priests which ruled the world from the hilltops among scattered Islands and mainlands. They possessed maps which allowed them to send pirate crews of Lower Priests through the seas to the different lands to convince the people of the "Reality" of the various Gods which ruled the people. Very Much like "Zardoz". These Gods and lower priests alone knew the different languages and taught each of them to the different peoples. No one area of people were allowed to know the language of the other tribes or groups of people. The Gate which one could not pass was the "Babylon" or "Gate of the Gods", where one would be severely punished If trespassed. This kept the people from sharing information and figuring out what was really going on. This was also the "Garden of Eden" where the gods presided. Only the "Gods" knew of the powers of "Fire" and gunpowder and could cause great disturbances which made the people fear the repercussions and deliver to the "Gods" Gold, jewels, and various sacrifices including humans. The Rod of Mercury was carried by the Lower Priest, hereafter referred to as just the "Priests", which were one rank lower than the "Gods", the highest priests. This Caudaceas would allow them to pass unharmed into the different areas to administer limited information to the King of the Peoples. (The King was under the Priests). If one tribe got out of line, then "Jehovah" would unleash his wrath by sending an army from "Baal's" land to destroy some of "Jehovah's" people, by sending a Priest to "Baal's" land and informing them that there was an army planning an invasion over to the North or something. That they must attack them and kill them etc. When this happened, the remaining people would be frightened and say, "Well, I guess we should have listened to Jehovah, he was right, look at how he was able to destroy us like that". http://www.freedomdomain.com/language.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion-Online
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Since the WORDS from your website are on the same database as the porn, smut, kid-porn, drugs, echelon ops, psyops, mind-control etc entries, somebody must be using your website for coding, eh? Not sure if I'm comforted at the thought of "god" having an email address on a military server, though.. Mick 1.) EAGLE, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.) EAGLE, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.) EAGLE, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4.) EAGLE, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5.) EAGLE, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6.) EAGLE, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7.) EAGLE, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8.) EAGLE, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9.) EAGLE, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10.) EAGLE, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.) FLESH, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.) FLESH, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.) BLOOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.) BLOOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.) blood, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.) RAPTURE, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.) RAPTURE, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.) RAPTURE, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4.) RAPTURE, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 41.) NAPHTALD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.) BEHOLDER, BEHOLDER [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.) beholder, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.) TRUMP, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.) TRUMP, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.) SEVENTHWOW, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.) KINGDOM, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.) KINGDOM, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.) KINGDOM, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22.) GOD, BREC_first_name [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:48:14Eagle 1 wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- "earthman" wrote: I didn't see the book of Enoch though Here's a link, if you're interested in the book of Enoch. http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds/naphal2.html You can also purchase the book of Enoch by going: http://www.genescottunivernet.com/genbks.htm eagle 1 http://www.lambsheart.com - Original Message - From: "earthman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 9:17 PM Subject: [CTRL] Religion-Online -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I didn't see the book of Enoch though Peter Religion-Online: Full texts by recognized religious scholars More than 700 articles and chapters which you can read, download, and print. Topics include Old and New
Re: [CTRL] Religion-Online
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- WHATEVER... Mick ... Anyone can find and twist anything up to say or mean whatever they want it to say... and your input of email addresses and etc... (that makes no sense), is no exception. I'm impressed with your unintelligible handiwork. Oh, and thanks for your enlightenment. I'm sure we all needed your customized information. And I'm also sure that all those poor people's email addresses you blatently listed were necessary to be posted to a group that they probably know nothing about. How thoughtful of you. I hope they think the same. eagle 1 http://www.lambsheart.com - Original Message - From: "Mick Poirier" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Religion-Online -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Since the WORDS from your website are on the same database as the porn, smut, kid-porn, drugs, echelon ops, psyops, mind-control etc entries, somebody must be using your website for coding, eh? Not sure if I'm comforted at the thought of "god" having an email address on a military server, though.. Mick -- On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:48:14Eagle 1 wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- "earthman" wrote: I didn't see the book of Enoch though Here's a link, if you're interested in the book of Enoch. http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds/naphal2.html You can also purchase the book of Enoch by going: http://www.genescottunivernet.com/genbks.htm eagle 1 http://www.lambsheart.com - Original Message - From: "earthman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 9:17 PM Subject: [CTRL] Religion-Online -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I didn't see the book of Enoch though Peter Religion-Online: Full texts by recognized religious scholars More than 700 articles and chapters which you can read, download, and print. Topics include Old and New Testament, Theology, Ethics, History of Religion, Comparative Religions, Sociology of Religion, Religion and Communication, Pastoral Care and Counselling, Homiletics, Liturgy and Worship, Missions and Religious Education. http://www.religion-online.org/ We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/poleshift A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion-Online
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- "earthman" wrote: I didn't see the book of Enoch though Here's a link, if you're interested in the book of Enoch. http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds/naphal2.html You can also purchase the book of Enoch by going: http://www.genescottunivernet.com/genbks.htm eagle 1 http://www.lambsheart.com - Original Message - From: "earthman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 9:17 PM Subject: [CTRL] Religion-Online -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I didn't see the book of Enoch though Peter Religion-Online: Full texts by recognized religious scholars More than 700 articles and chapters which you can read, download, and print. Topics include Old and New Testament, Theology, Ethics, History of Religion, Comparative Religions, Sociology of Religion, Religion and Communication, Pastoral Care and Counselling, Homiletics, Liturgy and Worship, Missions and Religious Education. http://www.religion-online.org/ We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/poleshift A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/08/2000 7:42:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3. Mushrooms (Particularly Aminita Muscaria) : Yes these little things were also quite a wonder. Where did they come from. The ancient people had no immediate concept of spores. So a mushroom was considered a "virgin birth". Also they immediately noticed that mushrooms came after the rains and they would pick them in the early hours of the morning. This was the "MANNA FROM HEAVEN" that the Israelites would gather. The word "Manna" means "What is it". Well, after consuming it you would probably be wondering "What is it" as you were talking to God. I hate to be difficult, but anyone who thinks any ancient peoples thought mushrooms were "MANNA FROM HEAVEN" hasn't been studying enough about ancient civilizations. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/7/00 10:10:04 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Coltrane is over-rated - Stan Getz evinced more spirituality. Well...opinions are like, er, ears...but I wholeheartedly disagee with your opinion in the above statement...Getz was OK'Trane was incredible, and his searching sound is the epitome of spirtualityIMO anyway. Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Getz was OK'Trane was incredible, and his searching sound is the epitome of spirtualityIMO anyway. There's no accounting for taste. Some people like God. Others like Allah. Some prefer Gaia. What's the big deal? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion
Nicky Molloy wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well no one ever said - we are all one, we are divine, love everyone - till people started smoking dope. According to some researchers, religious 'authorities' (so-called) have been saying this from the get-go, and they weren't smoking 'dope', they were eating and drinking it: from: a href="http://www.freedomdomain.com/relig.htm"Religion/a There is NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN as they say 3. Mushrooms (Particularly Aminita Muscaria) : Yes these little things were also quite a wonder. Where did they come from. The ancient people had no immediate concept of spores. So a mushroom was considered a "virgin birth". Also they immediately noticed that mushrooms came after the rains and they would pick them in the early hours of the morning. This was the "MANNA FROM HEAVEN" that the Israelites would gather. The word "Manna" means "What is it". Well, after consuming it you would probably be wondering "What is it" as you were talking to God. John Allegro has authored one of the most interesting books in the world on the origins and sources of religion. It is called "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross" and was published in 1970. Allegro was one of a team of researchers hired by the State of Israel and the British government to decipher the "Dead Sea Scrolls" when they were discovered in the 1950's. Allegro was hired because he was a biblical scholar and was familiar with ALMOST EVERY SINGLE MAJOR LANGUAGE including SUMERIAN, EGYPTIAN, HEBREW, CUNIEFORM. His ultimate conclusion (and he was kicked off the team for his opinions) was that Jesus was a Mushroom consumed by the Essenes and covered up to keep the Roman authorities in the dark about the fertility cult of the Essenes. Allegro claims that the ancient people considered the rain similar to God's sperm in that it would fertilize the soil (of Mother Earth) and allow the crops to grow. If the rain was a source of "Heavenly Sperm" then there must be a giant Penis in the sky producing this "Heavenly Sperm", assumed the ancients. Well, after the rain, the mushroom would grow, allowing them to "Talk to God" and the mushroom looked like a miniature Penis growing up from the ground. This, allegro adds, was to them the "Son of God come down in the flesh to show the way to himself". For a detailed analysis of the book Click Here to goto the Catalog Intro. These were indeed the mysteries and only the appropriate priest / shamen knew the exact amounts to take and how to prepare it without dying from overingestion of the poisons. That's why, today, the business of pharmaceuticals and the secret societies are intertwined. snip [image, see attachment] A fine depiction of a mushroom disc separated from Stem. The phallic symbolism is most obvious (with the nymphs worshiping). The disc is the cap of the Mushroom or female part. The place the phallus joins the cap is called the Vulva (in Mycological terms). The Nymphs are worshiping the phallus by dancing in an enticing way to provoke the phallus to join them (the Female disc) in the holy act of creation. An incredible imagery, The hope being, the Phallus joining the cap to form the union of the sexual act. This Picture and Text come from James Arthur's Website and from his soon to be released book "Mushrooms Mankind : The Hidden Meaning of Christmas, The History and Philosophy of Mushroom Symbolism"-Click Here To Visit James has exposed the true hidden meaning behind "Christmas Santa Clause" The word "Papa" from which we get "Pope" means "DOOR". The Pope in religion is the DOOR to the MYSTERIES. The word "Cardinal" means "Hinge". The Dome of the Roman Catholic Church, the Vatican, is also an important religious symbol. We have the same Dome here in Washington D.C., the Capital building and we don't even question it. The Word comes from the Latin "Domas". snip [I just read through James Arthur's Website (mentioned above) this week, which covers this info in depth, (including many revealing pics, such as the one attached -- don't worry, this is the first and last image I'll send to the list). I'll post a chapter from "Mushrooms Mankind" and provide more links later tonight; here is a taste]: Revealing the secrets of Entheogens, which is one of the most closely guarded secrets of Freemasonry (as well as many other secret societies), is something that can only be done by a layman (non-member). This is because if you have initiation at that level you could not discuss it any further. Secret Societies are called Secret Societies because they keep certain secrets. I have spoken personally with High Priests and Bishops (Secret Society Initiates), who simply told me that they could NOT discuss anything with me because of their oaths of secrecy. In fact they were so blown away that I knew the information, that it scared the hell out of them. Entheogens, and
Re: [CTRL] Religion
-Caveat Lector- The Great (And Cute and Amazing)(not to mention annoying) Acharya S. wrote: ...RELIGION EQUALS RACISM, SEXISM, SPECIESISM, SELF-HATRED, EXPLOITATION, SLAVERY, WAR. WE THE PEOPLE OF THE EARTH ARE ONE. NO RACES, NO RELIGIONS, NO DUALITY, NO WAR. ALL BELIEFS ARE DOUBTS. KNOW THE TRUTH. STOP THE KILLING!! GO BEYOND BELIEF INTO THE KNOWN! BECOME RELIGIOUSNESS. MEDITATE. ALL mental states, positions, propositions, attitudinal stances, et cetera are beliefs including secular humanism. ANY belief can be a religion including science and logic. Life is based on belief/s and without it there exists nothing - no politics, literature, art, religion, rationalism, et cetera. If you want to fool yourself into believing you don't believe (quite a paradox no?) then do so but don't expect everyone to reduce their existence to a nullity. Jamieson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/7/00 9:15:10 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jamieson Uh, "Yardbird" is it? Hmcute...are you a fan of BADDD "classic" rock or wat'?? Dude...Acharya is "annoying"??? Have you read her book??? Visited her site? I didn't think so...so you "opinion" means diddly... As for your sophmoric diatribe...to wit--"ALL mental states, positions, propositions, attitudinal stances, et cetera are beliefs including secular humanism. ANY belief can be a religion including science and logic. Life is based on belief/s and without it there exists nothing - no politics, literature, art, religion, rationalism, et cetera. If you want to fool yourself into believing you don't believe (quite a paradox no?) then do so but don't expect everyone to reduce their existence to a nullity." WellI'd suggest that SOME "beliefs" can be proven to be true...and some can't. Look Yardy...I think we're ALL pretty sure that the sun will rise again tomorrow, but to assert the the "son" will rise again tomorrow (or EVER) is, frankly, as silly yesterday as it's be 2000 years from next Tuesday... Whatever you say Mr.Plant/Page...Life is based on RATIONAL thought, REASONABLE proposition, and some EVIDENCE So your point regarding If you want to fool yourself into believing you don't believe (quite a paradox no?) then do so but don't expect everyone to reduce their existence to a nullity." is SOOO stupid that I wonder how you're parents achieved access to this list I will GLADLY tell you what I don't believe...I refute that "God" had ANY imput in the Bible, the Torah, The Koran, or ANY other "holy book". I don't believe that ANYONE knows WHY we're here, WHO put us here, or WHAT our purpose is... I DO believe that we ought to "suffer fools" (as I'm clearly doing) that we ought to try and be "civil"...and that we ought to do our best to utilize the ability to REASON that we seem to have been "endowed" with...sadly it seems that SOME of US are more well-endowed than others... (And, Charlie Parker would scoff at your nonsense...A REAL "Bird" know's that it's organized religion that REALLY clips your wings...and it's on heroin that he'd have been able to figure THAT out!!!...o. BTW, 'Trane was the best sax-man ever...yes, he on tenor, Bird on alto, but Trane was CERTAINLY the more "spiritual" of the lot...and "A LOVE SUPREME" might be the most spiritual jazz recording of all timedope DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion
-Caveat Lector- Well no one ever said - we are all one, we are divine, love everyone - till people started smoking dope. Acharya wrote: WE THE PEOPLE OF THE EARTH ARE ONE. NO RACES" God made different races so we wouldn't all think alike obviously. This kind of generalising vagueness of the new agers about religion, is what is going to be incorporated in the global gaia religion the UN is foisting on us. We are all one, let's live together in harmony, but depopulate as we don't have enough resources. Post coming on this. These religious leaders ARE all one now .Preaching ecology from the pulpit. Even the Dali Lama. I scanned some of Maitreya's advice for us humans - it parallels the Dali's speech. Nicky -Original Message- From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, 8 January 2000 16:15 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Religion -Caveat Lector- The Great (And Cute and Amazing)(not to mention annoying) Acharya S. wrote: ...RELIGION EQUALS RACISM, SEXISM, SPECIESISM, SELF-HATRED, EXPLOITATION, SLAVERY, WAR. WE THE PEOPLE OF THE EARTH ARE ONE. NO RACES, NO RELIGIONS, NO DUALITY, NO WAR. ALL BELIEFS ARE DOUBTS. KNOW THE TRUTH. STOP THE KILLING!! GO BEYOND BELIEF INTO THE KNOWN! BECOME RELIGIOUSNESS. MEDITATE. ALL mental states, positions, propositions, attitudinal stances, et cetera are beliefs including secular humanism. ANY belief can be a religion including science and logic. Life is based on belief/s and without it there exists nothing - no politics, literature, art, religion, rationalism, et cetera. If you want to fool yourself into believing you don't believe (quite a paradox no?) then do so but don't expect everyone to reduce their existence to a nullity. Jamieson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion
-Caveat Lector- We just need the right marketing and we'll rich and famous.. Peter We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage Bargain Books http://bn.bfast.com/bfast/click/mid1349732?siteid=10734186bfpage=b - Original Message - From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Religion -Caveat Lector- If you know of texts that should be added to this page ... says Dave Wiley. well now that you ask I invented my own religion just to see if it could be done ... but initially in the hope of gaining some tax exemption ... :) Its called CONTINUISM - I invented my own 'genesis' story, used scientific analogy to model the basic ingredients I invented my own Cosmology and particle physics ... and even wrote my own book of ethics and I appointed myself the 'High Priest' :) .. then charged myself a lot of money for my membership ! but never got as far as employing a pretty secretary :( However - CONTINUISM can give anyone a run for their money - and I think that it deserves a place amongst those texts as: the worlds smallest religion whadyathink ? Andrew DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: earthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] We just need the right marketing and we'll rich and famous.. There are various ways to market a religion / belief system / obsession / scam. Besides the traditional mind-control methods [drugs, implants, subliminal suggestion / hypnosis, traumatic brainwashing / love-bombing, etc] there are techniques to gain public attention approval, usually by gaining media exposure: 1. Bribe your way into popular entertainments. 2. Commit public atrocities to gain notoriety. 3. Spam media/commo nets with proclamations. 4. Buy control of media outlets. It's also possible to operate "below the radar" of mass-media: 5. Promulgate rumors, domestically abroad. 6. Hijack existing groups to spread your message. 7. Develop disciplined cadres of operatives. 8. Infiltrate and subvert governing bodies. But even energetic implementation of such techniques doesn't guarantee success. Note that classic Marxist/Leninist disinfo marketing strategies/tactics managed to attain short-term gains in terms of thought- and territorial-control, but were unable to prevail against a materialist system that actually delivered material results. The same techniques, when employed by holy hucksters, succeed because the payoffs accrue AFTER one's death. The lesson is clear: if you're going to market a system, DON'T PROMISE ANYTHING TANGIBLE! Sell the sizzle, not the steak. Always structure your claims so that you have no dissatisfied customers grumbling that they'd have done better somewhere else. CONTINUISM will succeed if it's entertaining enough. A well- produced cosmology that includes sex/drugs/music should suffice. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-10-15 05:27:48 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We just need the right marketing and we'll rich and famous.. The medium --marketing-- is the MESSAGE. "Content" is just icing on the cake. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion
-Caveat Lector- If you know of texts that should be added to this page ... says Dave Wiley. well now that you ask I invented my own religion just to see if it could be done ... but initially in the hope of gaining some tax exemption ... :) Its called CONTINUISM - I invented my own 'genesis' story, used scientific analogy to model the basic ingredients I invented my own Cosmology and particle physics ... and even wrote my own book of ethics and I appointed myself the 'High Priest' :) .. then charged myself a lot of money for my membership ! but never got as far as employing a pretty secretary :( However - CONTINUISM can give anyone a run for their money - and I think that it deserves a place amongst those texts as: the worlds smallest religion whadyathink ? Andrew DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion
-Caveat Lector- All religions are right...they each hold a piece of the puzzle. Relgion and language were confounded at Babylon. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religion and the Racist Right (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message - Author: PARTON, NIGEL R. Title: Religion and the Racist Right: The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement.(Review) reviewed by NIGEL R. PARTON COPYRIGHT 1999 University of Chicago BARKUN, MICHAEL. Religion and the Racist Right: The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement. Rev. ed. Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1997. xv+330 pp. $39.95 (paper). Some years later, in 1992, Identity compelled Randy Weaver into a showdown with federal agents in Idaho. I believe that the above statement is false. Anyone wish to defend it? My understanding is that Randy Weaver was had attended a couple of meetings of of a Identy type group and had stopped attending when he was approached by some feds with the request that he spy on the group. He refused. Afterwards, the feds had an agent persuade Weaver to break a gun law in the hope that he would be forced to spy on the group. When he again refused he was indicted. The "showdown" followed from this. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
