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-Caveat Lector- That's right, William! With you all the way! I mean, who needs breathable air, right?!? Who cares about the natural world?!? WE are the creatures who deserve to TAKE IT ALL and use it up at our will! There just aren't enough toxic pollutants in our air, water, and food right now... Seriously, do you *really* hate nature that much? Why don't you list a *single* renewable source of energy in your ridiculously destructive screed? With all due respect, people who espouse views like yours make me sick. And if such wingnuts have their way, we'll ALL be sick. Literally. Forever. Consume consume consume... --eh On May 6, 2004, at 9:41 AM, William Bacon wrote: -Caveat Lector- Isn't it time? Yes I think it is time! With the latest whipsawing on oil prices by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), isn't time for the United States to start developing our own energy resources. These resources include developing the giant oil fields in Northern Alaska, off shore oil resources off of our own coastline, building Nuclear power plants to replace oil, coal and Natural Gas power plants and additional oil refinery capacity. We could also develop the three trillion barrels oil shale that exist in Colorado and Wyoming. Yes its time to shake off our dependence on OPEC once and for all! www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. === = Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A === = To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] isn't time?
-Caveat Lector- Can you spell hydrogen?? Prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] isn't time?
-Caveat Lector- No, it isn't time to develop our own energy sources. It is WAY PAST TIME! On May 6, 2004, at 6:41 AM, William Bacon wrote: Isn't it time? Yes I think it is time! With the latest whipsawing on oil prices by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), isn't time for the United States to start developing our own energy resources. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] isn't time?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/6/2004 11:30:33 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, it isn't time to develop our own energy sources. It is WAY PAST TIME! Not if it means further degrading our environment...no thanks. We SHOULD'VE been trading fairly with Iraq all along and if it weren't for the pernicious effect of our "special relationship" with Israel we would have found in Saddam Hussein a wonderful trading partner. We lose again thanks to Israel. Time to develop new forms of energy and also to try to fix our relationship with the Arab world. "Regime changing" Dumbya Bush would be a start. Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] isn't time?
This is the kind of thinking that got us into this energy mess in the first place. This enviroment first is not working. Forest fires in California, energy shortages. It just doesn't work. Give us a positive solution to the problem and being friends with Hussein is not a positive response. On May 6, 2004, at 9:51 AM, William Shannon wrote: Not if it means further degrading our environment...no thanks.
Re: [CTRL] isn't time?
Oh, please. Energy shortages in California?!? Enron was gaming the system! The whole thing was completely manufactured! What doesn't work is continuing w/ the Bush Cartel's insane (and insanely anti-environmental) energy policy. Even the damn *Pentagon* game out and said we MUST address global warming. Here's a positive solution for you: Invest in and provide incentives for renewable energy development, and slap *real* fines on corporate polluters. Develop hybrid SUVs. Demand better fuel economy. Provide tax breaks for fuel-conserving vehicles (and *not* for H2s, which is Bush's break). Practice smart fire control -- engage in controlled burns, and allow naturally-occurring (i.e., lightning-sparked) forest fires to burn (within reason, and not at the expense of personal property or safety). As for Saddam, well he *was* our friend, wasn't he? We certainly had no qualms about selling him lots of nasty chemicals in the '80s, did we? He became our much-needed boogieman after the Cold War ended when he oh-so-conveniently stepped outside his good puppet boundaries. While we pretended not to look... Of course, on the plus side, if ill-informed knee-jerk nature haters like yourself get your way, my house will be oceanfront property by the time my kids retire! If only they could still breathe the air... -eh On May 6, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Bill Howard wrote: This is the kind of thinking that got us into this energy mess in the first place. This enviroment first is not working. Forest fires in California, energy shortages. It just doesn't work. Give us a positive solution to the problem and being friends with Hussein is not a positive response. On May 6, 2004, at 9:51 AM, William Shannon wrote: Not if it means further degrading our environment...no thanks.
Re: [CTRL] isn't time?
-Caveat Lector- On May 6, 2004, at 10:51 AM, Eric Hoffsten wrote: Oh, please. Energy shortages in California?!? ... The whole thing was completely manufactured! You are referring to the electrical shortage of several years ago. Yes, that was manufactured but not by Enron. It was congtrived by the electrical wholesalers and helped along by a demoratic governor who did nothing. Thats why he is no longer governor. snip Practice smart fire control -- engage in controlled burns, and allow naturally-occurring (i.e., lightning-sparked) forest fires to burn (within reason, and not at the expense of personal property or safety). Yes, alternative vehicles that really work would be nice and people just might buy them. Proper forest management would be nice if only the Dept of Forestry was allowed to manage it that way. The eco-nuts take the Dept of Forestry to court every time they try to build a fire road into the forest wilderness. As for Saddam, well he *was* our friend, wasn't he? I don't know about that. Some say he was the lessor of two evils. And others say we put up with him because he had the money to buy the toys we wanted to sell him. Of course, on the plus side, if ill-informed knee-jerk nature haters like yourself get your way, my house will be oceanfront property by the time my kids retire! If only they could still breathe the air... I am not ill-informed and my knees don't jerk. I like nature as much as the next guy as long as it provides me with the things I need.\ Bill www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] isn't time?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/6/2004 12:30:18 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This enviroment first is not working. Forest fires in California, energy shortages. It just doesn't work. Better take it up with Mother Nature...God...Gaia or whoever the hell it is you get on your knees for. What a silly thing to say. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] isn't time?
-Caveat Lector- This enviroment first is not working. Forest fires in California, energy shortages. It just doesn't work. Damm right! Trees cause pollution. Whales are disgusting, they shit in the ocean - Kill'em all. I love the smell of diesel fumes in the morning. Wildlife sucks. Wipe it out. Cut it down - pave it over. Build a Walmart. flw www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] isn't time?
-Caveat Lector- Finally an intelligent response. On May 6, 2004, at 1:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This enviroment first is not working. Forest fires in California, energy shortages. It just doesn't work. Damm right! Trees cause pollution. Whales are disgusting, they shit in the ocean - Kill'em all. I love the smell of diesel fumes in the morning. Wildlife sucks. Wipe it out. Cut it down - pave it over. Build a Walmart. flw www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
