CS: Legal-gun trafficker sentenced
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was wondering what charge cannot be reported for legal reasons. The only thing that springs to mind is some sort of charge relating to Children or maybe the Official Secrets Act? Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Gallery Rifle power limits
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I want is the formula so that I can work out if any of my carbine loads exceed it. It would be nice if someone who understood the formula could write it so I could plug it into Excel. the equation you need is KE in ft-lbs = 1/2 m * v^2 where m = mass in grains and v = velocity in feet/second You need to convert your bullet's weight to mass, and the Excel formula is: =0.5*(Weight_in_grains/(7000*32.16))*Velocity^2 --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Legal-Section 5(1)(b)
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding is that strictly speaking the Act only applies to barrelled weapons discharging toxins. Not true. Section 5 prohibits "any weapon of whatever description designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid, gas or other thing; and ...". So it is immaterial whether there's a barrel or not. Apparently a Jif lemon container full of ammonia solution was not covered by Section 5. That's by case law (i.e. a judgement of the Courts of Appeal). The detergent container was neither designed for the discharge of a noxious liquid, nor was it adapted. So it fell outside the prohibition. Come to think of it, is CS in an aerosol spray covered? Is it designed or adapted for the discharge of a noxious liquid, gas or other thing? --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 -- Was that Jif lemon container employed as a weapon, though? Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-population density
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] By Terry Pendrous, With such stringent controls in Japan--how much criminal activity do they suffer with firearms? Anyone know?
CS: Target-Reloading Kit Questions
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And also views on fully automated presses/loading systems eg Dillon RL 550B vs competitors equipment Or what to mix match! I'm thinking calibers - .223/ .308/ .45-70(BP Nitro) .45LC .454 Casull EW Can't comment on the automatic presses as I've never been one to use huge ammounts of ammo. The best single stage press in the World however is the Corbin Series 2, expensive as single stages go but the best dosen't come cheap. Jonathan Laws -- I didn't realise Dillon made an automatic press! I think the word they use is "progressive", i.e. you get more with your pull of the lever. Progressive presses were invented because of the demand from practical pistol shooters, I wonder whether anyone really needs one in this country anymore, though they do make a progressive shotshell press as well. There are a lot of fun though if you get all the widgets, I had great fun playing around with one at the SHOT show a couple of years ago :) Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Marginal seats
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just walked past the Labour offices in Hexham and they've got a sign in the window saying that the tories only won it by 222 votes, I was amazed, it being a well off rural area. The numbers of people holding FAC's and SGC's could have a big impact there. Pity I don't live there any more. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Gallery Rifle
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay so what is it because I'm getting confused now. 475 or 1,496? Steve. Well I've been on outdoor pistol ranges that had the same restriction as rifle ranges 5160 ft/lbs or thereabouts. The new Kynoch ammo factory apparently has a range in it's basement rated right up to .700NE level!! You can hire it by the hour I believe. Jonathan Laws. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-The march in March
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And this is true not only of foxhunting but of the supporters of any sport and minority activity when they face criticism. I think that that stems from a pig-headed refusal to recognise that civilised societies impose rules of behaviour which can not be disregarded on the basis of any historical right or tradition. No one is saying that societys rules should be disregarded simply so that a particular tradition can continue. What society should recognise is that it does not, and should not, have the right to control the activities of adults who are not causing any problems for their fellow Humans. It is about society being more tolerant towards things that the majority may not like or approve of. It does not matter if one is hunting foxes on horseback with hounds or having a weekly bar-b-que with the smoke and the smell of burnt sausages filling the neighbours bedrooms. This is not a fair comparison because Fox Hunting does not affect your next door neighbours (or anyone else who does not choose to be associated with it for than matter) whereas a barbecue may do and so is subject to whatever rules society likes to put on it. Minorities whose behaviour is considered objectionable will eventually have their "pleasure" curtailed and the right and freedom of choice simply does not come into the consideration. Well if you think that is acceptable behaviour from a civilised society then I would try to re-evalate the way you look at the World. For society to simply outlaw an activity because it dosent like it is wrong and to be honest rather worrying, what will they ban or who will they persecute next? Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-The march in March
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] a) Just because you find something distasteful is not a good enough reason to prevent other people who happen to enjoy that activity from engaging in it. But if - say - 70% of the country find it distasteful - does it become reasonable to look at preventing that activity from being engaged in? At what time does it become good enough reason to look at? No to the first and "never" to the second. It dosen't matter how few people partake in an activity or how many people don't like it, it dosen't make it right to ban it. If you follow that line then the persecution by the Nazis was perfectly legit because the Nazis were voted in by the people who knew they had these political leanings. If someone's activties aren't harming anyone they should be restricted regardless of how much society disapproves. b) The perception that hunting is the sole preserve of the wealthy is way off the mark. Go to any meet and for every toff on horseback you'll see half a dozen scruffy ordinary Joes who are following on foot or in their car. I'm a case in point - I've been hunting for nearly twenty years yet never once have I ridden to hounds nor have I ever had much more than two brass farthings to my name. Seems to illustrate the original point I was making. Why have you never ridden? Why do the scruffy ordinary Joes always following on foot or in their cars. Why are the scruffy ordinary Joes never riding to the hounds? Many people who are not rich toffs do ride to hounds. You seem to be implying that it should be banned *because* the scuffy ordinary joes don't do it. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-.50
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Occasionally one has some very limited sympathy for the criminals. I sat listening a few years ago to a plea of guilty at Southwark CC for unlawful possession; discharge with intent to endanger life; att. murder(acquitted of the latter) well-known drug dealer in the proverbial BMW was cut up by a white Transit in Balham High Road; he let off a magazine from a Browning Hi-Power at the Transit, mercifully wounding no-one. There but for the grace of God... I mast be a bit slow because I fail to see any reason for sympathy here. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Gallery Rifle
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's the same as the MoD standard for indoor pistol ranges, max. calibre .455", not sure what the exact energy limit is off the top of my head. Steve. 475 ft/lbs seems familiar. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-TV: Siege
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just seen the Siege program on ITV tonight, didn't see it why is it that the police marksman will only shoot when the target is pointing the firearm at the hostage with their finger on the trigger, about to kill the hostage? because, contrary to the claims recently posted here that the police shoot first and ask questions afterwards, they really don't want to shoot anyone. And they don't want to face a trial in which it is alleged that they fired when it wasn't necessary. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. An unenviable position. As we all know, the body does the last thing the brain told it to do eg the decapitated Chicken that runs away headless - the last command the body received. Nah, the chicken thrashes because his CNS has been severed, its a reflex action. If you destroy the brain - or the spine - there won't be even a twitch. Neck-shot deer, or cattle hit with a captive bolt killer, go down like a sack of spuds. Shooting someone when they are about to kill the hostage is probably too late, is it not better to shoot when the target is not pointing the firearm/weapon at their hostage(s), there by minimising the risk of the hostage being killed by accident. But, if the hostage is not in immediate danger - and no one has been shot so far - are you justified in shooting? Someone needs to get all those mis-trained officers retrained, also do something about their marksmanship abilities. Dead easy to criticise, less easy to do. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Field-Cats...and Pheasants..
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you "steal" a pheasant when it is alive...it is poaching. This is my understanding - feel free to correct me. A wild living pheasant is a wild animal and belongs to no man. Once it is "reduced into possession" - whether alive or dead - it becomes possession. So what then of pet pheasants kept in an enclosed aviary? Theft or poaching? Since they are in someone's possession, they belong to that someone. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-The march in March
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make no mistake if, as some wrongly predict, the spotlight then turns on game shooting and deer stalking... Oh yes it will, as sure as Eggs is Eggs it will. We all know very well how the "bannit" brigade operate, they aren't happy unless they are out there persecuting some minority interest group. Shooting, Stalking, Fishing Hawking, Ferreting and just about anything else you can think of from eating meat, drinking alcohol to scratching your arese in public. Anything that dosent fit with the moral values of some (very) loud mouthed minority organisation will be seen as fair game for eradication. Regarding the points about Fox Hunting being more cruel than shooting, sorry but I just can't see this. I fail to understand why a quick death by dogs is any more cruel than a quick death by shooting especially when there is zero risk of an injured animal getting away when hunted with dogs. Same with Hawking, if happens in nature so why is it unnaceptable if man has a hand in it? Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-AD Meetings
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] it doesn't matter what clothes you wear as long as you're a good person inside. Keep the faith. Martyn Archer Yes I'm with you on that one. I realise that camo gear, holsters all over your body and an Alvis Stalwart parked in the drive isn't to everyones taste and to many appears a bit strange, but the bottom line is, who really gives a toss? The attitude of "well it's not really necessary so *they* shouldn't be allowed to do it" dosen't really hold water because no sport is really necessary in the true sense of the word, shooting no less so. This is only lowering ourselves to the level of the bannit brigade. In the 14ish years I've been shooting, the attitude of "don't rock the boat" has been the prevailing one from most of the shooting orgs and clubs. Given the benefit of hindsight, it is plainly obvious that it has done us absolutley no good what-so-ever, in any shape or form. If we had simply taken the bloody minded approach in everything, we may not be any better off than we are now but we certainly wouldn't be any worse off. We have been told not to carry guns in holsters, not to shoot at certain targets, not to use high cap mags, not to wear camo gear, to keep quiet during "sensitive" times when we could be getting our point accross, etc, etc,etc, this is all stuff from shooting orgs and clubs not Parliament. I'm sure others can add to this list. All of this has done nothing at all to help the shooting sports and unless we take a more beligerant attitude we won't be shooting anything by the end of the first decade of this century. I've met all types of people through shooting. I know some bloody good blokes who before the pistol ban used to go to the club tooled up like the preverbial Mexican bandit (Davey, do you still read this? :-)), I've known people who have worn camo gear, cowboy boots, hell I've even got a full length Austrailian stockmans coat I use at the range and I look a right tit in it! The point is, regardless of the eccentricity of the individual, I've never known anyone in the shooting world who I would actually regard as dangerous or likely to bring the sport into disrepute. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-.50
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have occasional visits from special branch, and get heaps of bleatings from our local Firearms Officers. O, this sounds such fun, where do I sign up?? I love an opportunity to p--- off our masters :-) Jonathan Laws -- Well first you need several thousand quid for the rifle...G Steve. ...and second? Jonathan Laws -- Presumably it's the same application process on Form 101, I think Rob Adam runs the 50 shooter's association, join up, put down your "good reason" as target shooting, go to Ash ranges and deafen yourself! Actually single-shot .50s aren't that expensive, I think you could get one for two grand. (What a bargain!) Tom, what's the address of the association? I have to say I am completely dumb-founded that the police get that wound up by it. There are at least a couple of benchrest shooters using .338 Lapua Magnum, that's not far behind .50BMG. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-TV Anti's Music
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Could it be the parents/family who are now complaining that this Eminem person's music message are not suitable, are the ones who bought the album, singles concert tickets for their under 16's. Lets face it, the only reason this muppet sells any albums is *because* of the swearing in the lyrics, reffering to it as "garbage" would be doing a diservice to the four day old vindaloo I've just fed to the wheelie bin. Jonathan Laws -- One of my friends bought me the album for my birthday (God knows why). It is total crap. An hour worth of him swearing. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Legal-Soldier's suicide by cop
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do the police have access to the growing array of "non-lethal" products available to "SWAT" teams? I'm thinking "Bean Bag rounds" CR/CS/CN liquid gas sticky foam rounds, Rubber Bullets etc? at least some constabularies have armed themselves with the HK right gun from which they can fire plastic bags and CS ammunition. Additionally, many have the Remington 870 shotgun from which they can fire a wide variety of ammunition including CS. (Are "Bean Bag Rounds" legal for civilian use?) I can't see any reason why they would not be legal, but I'm not aware of any that are on issue. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Crime-More stupidity in England
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whilst I understand the thinking behind the approach taken by the police, which is basically "shoot now, ask questions later", I think that's an unfair comment. I've met and known quite a few AFOs and I don't think that's a fair comment at all. Do you know, I think I could cope with this approach if only the police spent more time being effective catchers of real criminals than they do How many do they catch, do you know? And what's a 'real criminal' anyway? --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Legal-man sentenced for shooting cat
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The RSPCA today welcomed a decision to order a man to pay nearly 2,000 for shooting a neighbour's pet cat with an air gun because it was sitting on the bonnet of his 20,000 Volvo car. Lorry driver Michael Wootton, 52, of Woodside, Telford, Shropshire, was found guilty in January of cruelly ill-treating a cat by shooting it after "seeing red" and taking aim with the weapon. If you're going to shoot a cat, be sure to kill it outright. That way no cruelty can be alleged. (You might get sued for damages though. :) --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-The March : Slogans
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about, "Mr. Blair this time we're up in arms, Next time we'll be up and ARMED" Subtle ? That will get everything we have left banned within a year. Jonathan Laws -- I still think desperately simple slogans are the best: "The handgun ban was supposed to reduce crime, all it's done is ban our sport." "What do you get when you ban handguns? The highest rate of handgun crime ever." "Blair spent 100 million on banning handguns - now we have a higher rate of handgun crime." Etc. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-Remington 700 ...WARNING...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tragically a child had been shot dead by a parent who had released the safety catch on a loaded Remington 700 and it had fired. Killing the child. It is harsh to state that if it had been pointed in a safe direction that said accident would never have occurred. Quite right, the parent was an arsehole, you don't point Firearms at anyone for any reason, unless you want to kill them. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-GCN and the FCC
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, they have six! Steve. Have they actually published a complete membership list? Surely this is a reasonable request given that they are on a government advisory comittee? Jonathan Laws -- I think it's on their website. Anyway, there's Gill Marshall-Andrews, Mick North, Ian Taylor and a few others. Actually I'm just looking at Ian Taylor's submission to the HAC report and there is a huge mistake in it, he says that Killias did a Spearman rank order correlation on the data he collected that shows a connection between firearm ownership and homicide rates, but that's not accurate, Killias did a Pearson correlation. I did a Spearman correlation for the Dunblane Public Inquiry and it doesn't show a statistically significant positive correlation. For those of you who enjoy statistics ;) Killias' study is nonsense anyway, have a read of it. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Crime-More stupidity in England
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In fairness to the police I don't think you can criticise their response in this incident. He did threaten to shoot the kids. Steve. Not that I'm defending this type of action in any way but, perhaps he wouldn't have if the Police had stopped the kids vandalising cars in the first place? Jonathan Laws. -- Of course, but it's not an excuse to go around threatening to shoot people either. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-GCN and the FCC
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comments anyone ? -- I got the same letter about a year ago. Steve. This is all very well but it totally misses the point. The members of the GCN are *not* entitled to sit on that comittee because they do not meet the statutory requirements for membership as stated in the relevant Act, those being knowlege of any of the following; " (a) the possession, use or keeping of, or transactions in, firearms; or (b) weapon technology; or (c) the administration or enforcement of the provisions of the principal act, the firearms act 1982 and this act."
CS: Field-foxes
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK now what do you do with it, shoot it?Chris. -- No, you shoot it and cut it up, wrap it in bacon and eat it I reckon! Steve, Chris, What's with the bacon anyway? Haven't you heard of making fox jerky? Or, how about fox sausage? I'll wager none of you gentleman has ever paunched a fox, nor handled its flesh, else you wouldn't suggest anyone eats it. The flesh of a fox is as dark as that of a hare, but it smells as bad as the fox itself. It is a rich meat, compared to the delicate flesh of a rabbit, and my old redtailed hawk loved it. The foxes were worth shooting just to feed the hawl a rich diet through the summer moult, if for no other reason. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Hunting ban
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think a ban on fox hunting will be the worst thing to happen to foxes ever. Steve. Steve, Neil, I dunno, Steve. Here in the US, there have been several bans on hunting various things with dogs (hounds, if you will), and the species have bounded back in numbers that could not be ignored. For instance, Black Bear Cougar (mountain lion). But neither of those species is classed as vermin (agricultural pest if you prefer) nor do they have a year round open season on them. Foxes can be shot, trapped or snared all year round and by anyone who has the landowner's permission. You don't even need any form of hunting licence to do this. Here's what I think will happen: You will have a steady increase in the actual population of the fox. Especially in the urban areas, cats and squirrel populations will be diminished. I don't believe that cats feature on the fox's menu: mice, birds, worms, fish chips, pizza and hamburgers yes, but not domestic cats. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-Explosives
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone interested in explosives should read "The Big Bang - A History of Explosives" by G I Brown (Sutton Publishing Ltd ISBN No 0-7509-2361-X) L9.99 paperback. I'll second that, it really is a good read. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Legal-Scottish Public Enquiry Law
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] But wasn't Hamilton also supposed to have a .357 magnum in his bag He shot his victims with the semi-auto, and killed himself with the revolver. The Scottish forensic scientists (firearms examiners) are quoted in the Cullen report as presenting an explanation as to why he loaded mixed bullet types in his magazines, but their explanation defies all common sense in my opinion. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Crime-Gun laws spur more crime
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] perhaps one might rather refer to it as a 'target rich environment' when mentioning its repute, if only because the residents of the moment are unduly relegated to being fish in a barrel. But that isn't the case, it isn't any more "target rich" than anywhere else. This is how it works, There are very few residents in a given area, lots of people travel into said area every day to work, shop, eat drink etc. If there are 10,000 people living there and 300,000 people go there every day then you statistically you will get an ammount of crime in line with a population of 310,000. The problem is, all the crime comitted against those 310,000 people is actually shown as being comitted against only 10,000 because it is shown on a per 1000 people basis and the 1000 people in question are residents, they don't take daily visitors into account. Besides all this, I'm sure that at least 50% of the violent crime happens because of all the pubs and clubs within a very small area, places which are frequented mostly by people who travel into the City to get pissed up and have fights while they are there. I would guarantee that if you controled for the fact that there are very few people living there you would almost certainly get a level of violent crime lower than the UK average. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Crime-firearm offences
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you had an illegal handgun stolen, would you report it? You'd have to be nuts. Therefore, can we be sure that these '142 handguns' are all cartridge firing handguns, or could they include air and CO2 guns? -- How do we know the police found out the gun was stolen from the burglary victim? Well, if an unlawfully held handgun is stolen during a burglary, it won't be traceable by the police through the licensing system since it won't be recorded against a certificate. I suppose there might have been 142 instances where burglar(s) *told* the police that the gun(s) the police had found on him had been stolen when he burgled such-and- such an address, but it seems a bit far fetched to me when around 'only' 300 handguns per annum were being stolen for half of them to be identified this way. I strongly suspect misclassification. Also I am not entirely convinced that they would not report it stolen, after all, most illegally held guns are owned by otherwise law-abiding people and the threat of prosecution for illegal possession is far less worrying that being involved in a murder case if the gun is used by the burglar, don't you think? I think most people would keep their traps shut. But on that subject, I have a case on my books right now and it behoves all certificate holders to listen to me on this. Last year, a shooter who lives out of town in this area, in a somewhat remote detached house, put his shotgun and ammunition in his car which was just outside his front door. He popped back inside to collect something he'd forgotten and during the two minutes he was gone, someone stole his gun and cartridges. He had not locked the car. (Be honest: would you have done?) His gun was sawn down, and it was used to fire two rounds of buckshot into the back of a young man's head from about 12 inches, obviously killing him. The shooter lost his shotgun certificate, but the young man lost his life. The certificate holder was, I understand, also prosecuted for breach of the conditions of his certificate. That's almost irrelevant. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Hunting ban
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] One of the penalties in the proposal in addition to a L5000 fine is a ban for life on owning a dog! What's the penalty for death [of a human] by dangerous driving? --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Crime-firearm offences
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go and have a look at this: http://www.official-documents.co.uk/document/cm50/5001/5001-03.htm Not yet looked, but .. There's a lot of interesting stuff here. Look for example at table 3.12, that indicates that 142 handguns were stolen from residential premises 1999-2000. As very few handguns can be legally kept at home now and this figure is not dramatically lower than years when they were legal, it supports the argument we made that most stolen guns were illegally held to begin with. If you had an illegal handgun stolen, would you report it? You'd have to be nuts. Therefore, can we be sure that these '142 handguns' are all cartridge firing handguns, or could they include air and CO2 guns? --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 -- The 1994 report "Theft of firearms" did say they made mistakes but apparently the idea was to get rid of those mistakes - there is a seperate category for airguns. We have to take them at their word, they're the RDS you know, they don't make mistakes, they are completely infallable, hasn't Pat Mayhew told you yet herself?G How do we know the police found out the gun was stolen from the burglary victim? They could have found out in the course of the investigation. Also I am not entirely convinced that they would not report it stolen, after all, most illegally held guns are owned by otherwise law-abiding people and the threat of prosecution for illegal possession is far less worrying that being involved in a murder case if the gun is used by the burglar, don't you think? Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-DNA Testing
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bill gives the police new powers to seize documents and computer disks even if they contain privileged legal information. That's a bit of a moot point, since the police do this anyway. Although the police are prohibited from so doing, the Police Criminal Evidence Act does not make it an offence is they do knowingly seize privileged or special procedure material (e.g. medical records), nor is there any punishment for breaking the law in this way. So, in my case, the police seized material that they were prohibited from seizing and argued the toss later. They break the law but it seems commit no offence and are not subject to any punishment. In other words, they do as they damn well please with no fear of accountability. And that's justice? Asked why he had not gone the whole way and introduced automatic screening of the population, Mr Straw said that the new measure was a "proportionate" response. He said: "You have to move cautiously in this area. He means "you have to move by stealth so no one notices what you're doing to them". ~~~ i still think the easiest solution to people control would be for every new born baby to have their personal details tatooed as a bar code on its forehead. Don't forget that Keith Halliwell wanted every newborn to be DNA profiled immediately after birth. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Field-shooting squirrels
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, how does one prepare and cook Squig then? I have a few nice juicy ones that run within an easy shot of my bedroom window! Saw a programme on telly a while back about Elvis Presley, apparently when he was a nipper Squirrel was a cheap (well free) alturnative to shop bought meat. Apparently you just skin it, lay it on the bench and smash the crap out of it with a rolling pin to crush the bones. Then you chop it up into large pieces and deep fry it I think. Jonathan Laws. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Legal-Data protection Act
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I under stand that as a result of the Data Protection Act (or some such) a person caught on cctv can on paying a L10 fee have a copy of it. If this can be confirmed then I will be asking the Met for copies of all tapes that I am on, and if they can't identify me then a copy of everything is what i shall expect - otherwise its off to the data protectection registra. Does the Data protection Act apply to your FAC file at your local licensing department? If so it seems like a good way to find out what your referees wrote about you and what other comments have been noted about you by plod. Jonathan Laws -- The DPA does apply to your file. I have a copy of mine, but I got it the hard way, during discovery before my appeal. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Letter from Charles Clarke
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I need some help from CS contributors to reply. I have put my queries in brackets: Quote: The overall crime rate in this country has risen during the same period, and much armed crime will be linked to rises in other areas of crime such as the trade in illegal drugs. That's fair comment in so far as it goes, much crime involving firearms is committed by people who also commit other crimes such as dealing in drugs. But if gun control *works* then this wouldn't be true. Ergo, ... gun control does not 'work' if by 'work' we mean be 100% effective. The Home Office has not generally sought to put forward an estimate for the number of illegal guns in circulation in the United Kingdom The key word is 'generally', meaning that they aren't so foolish as to be definitive by saying there are 'x' illegal guns out there. However, our levels of armed crime have been generally far lower than most Western countries who have less stringent gun control measures than our own. While there are some countries that are obvious in this respect, such as the United States, there are many less obvious examples. Commonwealth countries such as Canada and Australia and European countries such as France, Sweden and Switzerland have more liberal firearms controls and higher rates of firearms- related homicides than our own. (Help with this whole section please -KP) homicide presumably includes suicide I am satisfied that our low rates of armed crime by international standards are due in part to our strict controls over firearms. Not only do these make it more difficult for most criminals to obtain guns, Fair comment, at face value. But if we think a little bit more about it, anyone who has the means can obtain a gun, it's just that he can't buy one at Tescos. The kind of people who are committing serious armed crimes are not well-heeled 'professional' criminals, but relatively uneducated low-life. The degree of 'difficulty' these people have in obtaining arms is equivalent to the degree of difficulty that the licensing laws present to the average teenager in obtaining a bottle of cider from the local off-licence: under 18s aren't allowed to buy alcohol, so these laws "make it more difficult for most teenagers to obtain alcohol". but they also reduce the scope for unsuitable characters to obtain firearms with tragic results. ditto In this respect, the school and workplace shootings that have taken place in the United States in recent decades show that serious armed crime does not simply involve professional criminals. (Any comments - KP) Same situation here: the various murders that I have worked on in the past 12 months, by and large, have involved career criminals but I wouldn't call them professional criminals either. The fact remains that the tragic shootings at Hungerford and Dunblane, which remain the most serious shooting incidents in this country in recent decades, were carried out using firearms that were legally held by the perpetrators. Yup. The 1997 Acts were designed, not to prevent another Dunblane, but to prevent another Dunblane being committed by a certificate holder. Kenneth Pantling -- "There are other examples", e.g. Norway, a rather closer country. Ireland has much tougher gun laws than we do, and their firearm-related homicide rate is twice ours. Ireland is presently undergoing a dramatic increase in suicide. I was across there recently, and a vet had killed herself with a drug used to knock out horses. Why? No one knows. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 -- Actually that comment from Charles Clarke about armed crime not involving professionals is demonstrated by Home Office statistics which indicate that of 29 of 41 domestic homicides from 1992 to 1994 involving the use of a shotgun, the gun was illegally held. Hardly an argument for the success of gun control. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-Stray horses on motorway are shot dead
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telegraph 11.1.01 Stray horses on motorway are shot dead By David Sapsted THREE horses, part of a group that has been roaming and causing chaos on the roads for two months, have been shot dead by police. Any information on what type of ammunition was used (i.e. cartridge bullet type), and where they were shot (i.e. brain or heart)? Enquiring minds want to know ... --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-John Wayne Winchester Custom Model
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think it was invented by John Wayne, Robert Stack used one in "The Rifleman" but I'm not sure which was filmed first. Steve. "Stagecoach" featured this rifle and that was 1939 I believe. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Mowlam approves guns deal
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Handguns? From Britain? What make and model? Are we a "go between" or are these handguns ones being sold from those handed in. I think this warrants someone trying to get their MP or Peer to ask a question about this. I got a letter from the Home Office a few weeks ago about our surrendered firearms. According to that letter "the vast majority" of them have been destroyed. I did ask how many had been, retained by the Police, obtained by museums or exported and the answer was that they didn't hold figures for this. Didn't the Governmnet say at some point that they wouldn't dispose of any of the gear abroad? Jonathan Laws -- Yes they did. Jamaica has purchased firearms from MoD stores before, I assume the same applies this time. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-303 215gn round nose
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do they? That's news to me. Hollow nose bullets do not necessarily mean expanding bullets, that is what is prohibited. Steve. I'd heard that the HO had accepted that you could use lead nosed bullets in the like of .30/30 as the flat lead nose was designed so as not to impact the primer on the round in front. The problem is, these bullets are also designed to expand so I wouldn't like to follow that advice. Jonathan Laws -- The legality of all this is specified in Sections 9 and 10 of the 1997 Act. Expanding ammunition is prohibited, there are various exemptions but target shooting is not one of them. You can target shoot with expanding bullets for the purpose of zeroing and so on, but the police cannot issue authority expressly for target shooting with expanding bullets. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-auto-acceleration
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The author put it down to auto-acceleration, conjecturing that the very small charges of powder were laying along the bottom of the case and igniting together instead of in 'sequence' along the case giving a rapidly rising and massive pressure curve. Note also that in several of the American reloading manuals 'minimum charges' are stated as well as maximum. I don't think this is because the bullet wouldn't leave the barrel. I'm not all that convinced by this "autoacceleration" malarkey. In the case you relate if *very* small charges of powder were being used perhaps they just weren't igniting properly rather than anything else? I remember reading about this a few years ago and one powder manufacturer (Vihtavouri?) did loads of tests on this and couldn't find any evidence for it at all. Smokeless powder is actually quite difficult to ignite properly, I tried a load with 2400 in .38 special once and unless you used quite a lot of powder it just wouldn't work properly, you would get loads on burned powder dropping out the end of the barrel and the bullet would embed it's self in the cardboard target backing, sideways usually. From this is would seem possible that the flash was simply missing most of the powder so it wasn't being ignited properly and thus giving erratic results. Yes loading manuals do give minimum charges sometimes, but these I think are mostly to avoid hangfires. If you look at data for very large rifle cases it will sometimes tell you not to reduce charges as the powder will not properly ignite due to the flash from the primer jumping over it, believe me I've tried to poo-poo these warnings, you know the thing "Well I'm more cleaver than this highly trained explosives engineer who wrote the book, so I'll put light charges in a .460 Weatherby case and just pack 'em down with toilet paper so the charge dosen't move!" Well guess what folks? The charge does move and when it does the rifle hangfires and it's not pleasant even with a much reduced load. I would hate to think what it would be like with an almost full load. I used to use a load of 110grns of H414 under a 405 grn bullet, I had to increase that to 112 grns because of the occasional hangfire. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-38 Special
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So much so that several years ago Remington introduced some plastic coated 158gr 38 sp ammo to cut down on lead fumes on indoor ranges, the ammo was quickly dropped when it was realised that the rifling marks on the spent bullet were disappearing shortly after firing due to the plastic healing. Didn't someone produce .38sp with plastic cases some years back? I think they may have had some weird copper bullet as well? Jonathan Laws -- Are you talking about Blazer with the aluminium cases? Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-blind people with firearms
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: blind people with firearms Was it on Cybershooters some years back where someone from the US told a tale of a friend who was *totally* blind getting a machinegun authority? They had to lead him by the hand into the local Sherrif's office to sign the paper work? Apparently he used to shoot at a large metal gong and his mates would help him aim by calling "left a little, right a little" you get the drift. Jonathan Laws -- There was a case in New Jersey a few years ago where a person who was legally blind wanted to buy a pistol and the local chief of police wouldn't grant the permit to buy. The chief's decision was quashed on appeal because there is nothing in the law saying that someone who owns a gun is necessarily going to use it, it is their use of the gun that may be dangerous, not the mere possession of it. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-Shotguns/forensic
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone on the list help with a hypothetical situation for a fiction I'm working on? Someone is shot dead with an illeglly acquired shotgun with sawn-off barrels. The police get hold of the gun. Once the police put it through forensic tests, is it in anyway possible to link that gun with a former killing? I know it's easy with a rifled weapon, but what can be done with a shotgun? Barry Woodward -- There's quite a lot of ways, comparison of firing pin indents on the primers, or breech face marks on the primer, or chamber or extractor marks depending upon the type of gun. For example, chamber and extracting answer are left on a semi or pump action but not normally on a close action gun. they can also determine what ammunition was used to shoot the victim, this can sometimes be done, generally by examining the wad, but this will often only produce a list of possible ammunition that was used. For example, in .410 ammunition the same what is used in 2.5 Fiocchi, Gamebore, and Lylevale. fire it through the gun and compare it ballistically, A plastic wad is usually the source of identification of a particular shotgun to a particular shooting incident. When a shotgun barrel is shortened with a hacksaw, it is seldom that the job is finished off by proper crowning. Sometimes, swarf is left inside the barrel, or small burrs are left on the cut ends. Both of these demonstrate the gun has not been fired since it was shortened. The rough edges from the sawing can leave identifiable marks on plastic wads. By firing control samples through the suspect weapon, and then comparing these under a comparison microscope to those on the evidence wad from the shooting incident, that gun can usually be identified or excluded as the crime weapon. if it was close range they can compare the burns on the victim with burns obtained during testing and so on. This can be used to estimate the distance between muzzle to target, but cannot be used to identify which gun was disabled involved. For example, there is a case where a suicide victim had a star shaped burn and soot mark underneath his chin. From this was possible to identify the weapon as an M14 rifle, but not possible to say which particular rifle was involved. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Tony Martin and David Mellor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The fact remains, and we are still not doing enough to continually point it out day after day, that if Tony Martin had been allowed legally to possess in his home non-lethal weapons of defence such as an electric baton or a CS spray then one young man might not be dead and one old man not in prison. Perhaps those who read "The People" could write to Mellor and ask him if he agrees? I'll tell you exactly what Mellor's (spit) attitude will be. He will see it as being perfectly acceptable to shoot anyone you want, on sight at the slightest provocation, yet he will balk at the very idea of anyone being allowed to keep anything what so ever for defence, regardless of how lethal (or not) it may be. He's a total hypocrite and I sincerely hope he gets his House turned over in the near future, at least then he'll be able to speak from personal experience. He's a total tosser. Jonathan Laws -- Shame Tony didn't use a handgun really, wonder what Mellor would say then. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-Shotguns/forensic
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] There was a notable case involving just this issue some years ago. A bank clerk was shot dead with a shot gun using Eley cartridges. Some (long) time later the police raided the perpetrator's house. A box of cartridges was found and the shot was found to be the same shot in the victim, Not possible. The best you could do is show that the shot had the same (actually, merely similar, not "the same") elemental composition. And that merely shows that is *could be* from a common source. despite the fact that the cartridges found were game shooting cartridges, and yet the wad in the body was a clay shooting plastic wad. How? Because it transpired that Eley had wrongly loaded that batch of cartridges with the wrong hardness of shot. Fine. But that merely shows which batch of cartridges were involved. How many cartridges are in a batch? Is every cartridge accounted for when it is sold (and thereafter)? No, of course not. Additionally I understand that a badly sawn off barrel, could leave striations in some plastic wads. Your best bet would be to go, perhaps, along the line of cartridge being mis-loaded with a large shot size, and the police find a box of what appear to be a smaller shot size until an intelligent police man or woman suggests that the cartridges be opened and examined. That sort of thing has happened. And I had a case where a cartridge was modified: some (but not all) of the lead shot was removed and replaced with three 9mm steel ball bearings. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Interesting Article: Analogies About Guns and Gun Control
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, you can always take the bus or the train. Taking the bus or the train may not be as easy as using a car in certain circumstances, but by comparison, shooting is vastly more effective than poisoning or trapping as compared to taking a bus to taking a car. Steve. Expanding on what Steve has said; Cars, when used solely for private entertainment and/or convienience, are utterly unnecessarry. You do not *need* to drive to the Seaside for a day out, nor do you *need* to drive to the Cinema to see the latest shoot 'em-up flick. They are no more essential to anyones lives than is a firearm used for target shooting and they are responsible for much more death and misery than any legally held firearms are. Jonathan Laws. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-5000 Christmas cards for Tony Martin
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JAILED shotgun farmer Tony Martin He farms Shotguns??? From where can one purchase the seeds :-) The cards flooded in after our Man of the People columnist David Mellor called on the nation to show he had not been forgotten. There word "Hypocrite" dosen't even begin to describe this arsehole of a man!!! Jonathan Laws -- I don't think this is the same David Mellor is it? Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-5000 Christmas cards for Tony Martin
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think this is the same David Mellor is it? Steve. I think it probably is, he seems to have acquired a journalistic bent after being given the old heave-ho from the House, didn't he get a job talk---er..I mean...waffling about Footballon the Radio? Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-.22lr tracer
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recently someone posted details of a US maufacturer or supplier .22lr tracer (I believe with two different colour elements). Unfortunately I have deleted or otherwise lost the details. Could some kind soul please send them to me personally or to the list. Thanks in advance Matthew Don't know about the US stuff but RWS makes it, or at least they did a while back. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-Self-Defence
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] but first of all you'd need someone with an absolutely clear cut case of need to apply for one and get turned down, I reckon, to stand any chance of convincing a judge. Steve. Anyone know why Mcgartland didn't try this? Would I be right in saying that he did apply for one but got refused? It seems like a pretty clear cut case to me given that he had one in NI, even more-so now that he has actually been shot at! Jonathan Laws -- He is the only person I can think of in recent times who has applied, been turned down, and subsequently shot. He was turned down because the local police said they couldn't issue one for personal protection and had no authority to issue an FAC for a handgun. They're right on the second point but not on the first. I think you would have to go to judicial review rather than Section 44 appeal because Section 5 decisions are the responsibility of the Secretary of State and are not subject to appeal. IG inferred that McGartland had an unsavoury past and there were things about the case of him getting shot that would make it unlikely he could succeed. I don't know, but given that the RUC had already issued him one I can't see why he couldn't be issued one in GB. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Gun Rights Convention UK
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My view is that our sport is faced with extermination within the next ten years. Anything we do now to organise and oppose the anti's can ultimately be to our collective benefit. Absolutley spot on, we are in such a position now that anything we do may not do us much good but it can't really put us in a worse position than we already are. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-Beware of Factory Rebuilds
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here you have to be much more careful because I find that people only sell their guns off when they've worn them out, either that or it's an awful gun that they didn't like. Not always, you can find some jewels, but it happens quite a lot. Can't say I agree with all of this. I don't think there are all that many "worn out" guns out there, guns people didn't like definatley, but worn out I doubt. Diferent people like different guns in different ways and what suits one person may not suit another even though there may not be anything actually wrong with it. I have a .30-30 Marlin that I know shoots very well but I just don't like much and can't get to it shoot very well. I have just picked up a single shot .357, New England Firearms break action carbine (for not a lot) that fits me nicely, has a nice trigger pull (for me) has nice sights (for me) and "feels" right, not suprisingly my averages in the club comps have gone up since I got it. I can't say that I've seen many guns at all that I could truly describe as being worn out, I just don't think we have the opurtunity here to shoot a gun to death, especially if it's a full bore rifle. J. -- I come across worn out junk portrayed as being in good condition at arms fairs constantly. Sometimes its down to the ignorance of the dealer, who goes on exterior looks alone, but sometimes you come across dealers trying to pull a fast one. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Naval Guns
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've seen large naval guns referred to as rifles. Is this just an American expression or was it used in the Royal Navy as well? Guns Ammo some years back did an article on the 16" Guns on, I think, USS Iowa. It was entitled "The Worlds biggest Varmint Rifles" or words to that effect. Jonathan Laws. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Naval Guns/Maximum Range
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan's figures say maximum range was produced with 35 deg elevation, not 29 deg. I did wonder if anyone was watching! :-) But the difference was a mere 11 yards (or 0.75 of 1 per cent) over a 4,500 yard (2-1/2 mile) distance - hardly worth the quibble IMO. Slippery answer there from Jonathan, obviously a good man in court. Not I. I give it straight down the line, and I don't care whether it helps or harms either side's case. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Gun Powder
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There was an article in Gun Digest a few years ago about how the guerillas in Afghanistan were making primers out of nitrocellulose film that was a pretty interesting read. Steve. I remember reading a Guns Review article some years ago about people in an arms dealing town in Pakistan scraping off match heads to fill cartridge cases with. Always meant to try it but never got round to it, perhaps one day. Jonathan Laws. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Naval Gun Fun
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] They didn't all elevate up to 45 degrees, thus denying them maximum range. Maximum range comes at about 29 degrees, not 45. In a vacuum it would be 45, but we have the air to contend with. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Police state marches on
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Richard Loweth", INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] put his tongue firmly in his cheek, and said I do not know what all the fuss is about roadside DNA Tests. Only those who have something to hide have anything to fear. Let me tell you all that the police do not just stop innocent people in this country. Nor do they ever arrest people unless they are quite obviously criminals. You people that criticise the brave and dedicated officers of the law who keep this country safe should be ashamed. I've never gone along with this 'the innocent have nothing to fear' bit. The *guilty* have nothing to fear but justice, and they should fear that. In contrast, the innocent have *everything* to fear, most of all _in_justice. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-Knives
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually pink's a good idea - not only does it make it easier to find your knife when you drop it in the long grass, but pink being widely regarded by western society as a "feminine" colour (well, who can prove me wrong?) will convey the message that the owner of said knife is a caring gentle soul, nicely in touch with his female side - In another thread, it was suggested that the fuss over Winchester's Black Talon ammunition (now called "Fail Safe") would never have occurred if they had been introduced as "Winchester Safety Blossom". :-) --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 -- Oh did I have fun wearing a Black Talon T-shirt during that uproar ;-) Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-self defence
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] foot self in shoots? Why should someone who had 24 hr police protection need a gun for self defence? which implies that the police *can* provide protection to Salman JFK. and a bunch of others prove that protectors failed to protect In my opinion, tempered by many years of experience, both as an armed and unarmed officer, the use of a firearm as defence against sudden or unexpected attack is of very little value. It is impossible to assess, react, draw and fire an accurately placed shot if the assailant is attacking you with even a knife from less than 27 feet away. But the argument is this: why should ordinary people be denied the *chance* to defend themselves? And equally, if ordinary people are denied the choice to carry, why should the police be allowed to carry for their own self-defence? Plainly, it isn't a question of training, because even if people had undertaken satisfactory training and demonstrated competence, they would still be refused a FAC to carry (the 1997 Act notwithstanding). FWIW, I have no desire to carry, I'm merely engaging in debate. :-) --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Drugs
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are WAY off topic here, and this thread should be killed (but not before I chuck in 2p's worth). From: "David Rovardi", INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Last year it was estimated that 20% of all hospital admins and upto 45,000 deaths where caused due to legal drugs. Globally? On Radio 4 this morning I heard someone (I think he was called Serle, possibly a police spokesman) said there were 250 drug overdose cases per month in England Wales (3,000 p.a.) but compared to car accidents this is a lot of people. And there are 3-4,000 deaths in road traffic accidents p.a., and ten times that number of serious injuries. (A serious injury includes "any fracture".) So 3,000 drugs overdoses (not necessarily fatal, just overdoses) and 3-4,000 fatalities on the roads. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-court cases
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] but I can remember a guy in Dade County Florida who set up a boobytrap by electrifying the grill over the air-conditioning vent on his premises But wasn't there a case here a few years ago where a bloke protected his car by electrifying it? I think a Hotel Parking attendent got zapped with it and the guy was prosecuted, he did get found not guilty though. Jonathan Laws -- The thing it depends on is intent, and that is why boobytraps are illegal virtually everywhere. If you electrify something and kill someone, did you intend to kill them, or merely dissuade them? Well, if you intended to kill them you can just lie and say it was to scare them off. Then it gets into a very complex technical argument determining the intent of the person, based on the amount of electricity they used or whatever. However if the people were in a fight and one guy jammed the other's fingers into a socket and electrocuted him, the intent is far more clear. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-court cases
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There was another case in London where a guy set up a booby trap with a shotgun to blast burglars, I can't remember off-hand if he did actually end up blasting someone (I seem to recall it did go off) and he received quite a light sentence for illegal possession. Read the book "Weapons Law" a few years go. It mentioned the use of a "spring gun" under certain condidtions within a dewlling. Any one know what the definition of said device is? Surely IG must know? Jonathan Laws -- Setting a booby trap is illegal but I think the judge took pity in this case because there had been so many break-ins before that it was considered a reasonable thing to do. Not in this country, but I can remember a guy in Dade County Florida who set up a boobytrap by electrifying the grill over the air-conditioning vent on his premises as he correctly surmised it was the only way of breaking in successfully. He electrocuted a teenager one night, but he did manage to get away with it after a protracted court battle. The reason boobytraps are illegal is that it is difficult to prove intent. If you kill someone with a weapon, you are liable, and it is obvious what your intent was. If you kill them with a boobytrap, it becomes a lot more grey as to who is responsible and what the actual intent of the person was who set the boobytrap. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-self defence
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Norwegian Prime Minister. Heh, got ya IG it was the Swedish PM. He was shot in Stockholm when returning with his wife from the Cinema one evening, a bloke walked out from a side Street and killed him with a .357, he didn't have any body guards with him at the time. A guy was arrested for it but released, a bit of a druggie and known criminal. Apparently theories as to who did it have ranged from South African assasins who didn't like his anti apartied (spelling?) stance to Turkish immigrant crime gangs to the Swedish Police for one reason or another. Another theory says that he simply looked like a local criminal and was killed by mistake. Seemingly the guy they arrested for it was a well known local thug who looks pretty scary, my girlfriend has met him on the Stockholm underground a few times. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-self defence
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] suggest you join the NRA of America, IG, and read the Armed Citizen column. Try, "more Guns less crime" by John Lott. I've got a copy you can borrow if you want. Jonathan Laws -- The problem with that book is that you need a degree in statistical analysis to understand it. The Armed Citizen book contains summaries of several hundred (probably thousands) of newspaper articles going back decades of people who defended themselves with guns. More anecdotal perhaps but much more interesting to read. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-drugs
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] even in places like Switzerland where heroin use was effectively decriminalised for some time. But you said it yourself in an earlier post, decriminalisation is not the point as it dosen't remove the dodgy characters and their crappy products. Establishing a proper statutory system of controls that can be regulated is a different story alltogether. Jonathan Laws -- I'm convinced with heroin at least it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference, with cannabis it would. Heroin is addictive, most of the crime is indirect in that people thieve to support their habit, rather than the crime being directly caused by the drug dealers. Sean arguing about the cost of drugs is also not accurate, drugs are inexpensive, but people still steal to support their habit because if you have that habit you cannot support yourself. Legalisation of non-addictive drugs makes some sense provided the drug itself is not very harmful, but legalisation of addictive drugs that are also harmful would not help, IMO. Tobacco and caffeine are addictive, but they are not very harmful, so there is not much of a problem. Ecstacy can be harmful, but it's not addictive. It's where you have the two characteristics together that you have a problem that would not be solved by legalisation, because the cost/benefit analysis doesn't hold up. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-drugs
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, and how come Holland has never had a single death attributable to E? I think both Holland and Switzerland have schemes where you can actually test the E you have bought. From what I've read the majority of the serious physical effects of drugs are cuased through improperly made batches containing various contaminates or are due to stuff that hasn't been cut enough and is far too strong. This is purely a result of illegality and would probably be greatly aleviated by a proper system of legal controls. It would largely remove the unsavoury characters from the supply chain, I mean we don't see people going blind or getting brain damage from illegal alcohol these days because you can just go down the offy and buy it. Statistically, E is much safer than Pennicillin. A previous Poster was right about Laudnum it never realy caused a problem when you could get it neither did many of the other drugs, yes we have a much more violent society these days, as IG has pointed out, but a lot of this violence is again derived from the fact that drugs are illegal. Acid was only banned in the 60's, Cannabis the 30's and E was legal in the US until about 1983. The poster who pointed out that most bans are only to keep "middle England" happy is probably not far from the mark. Most of the drugs that are illegal today were made illegal because polite society simply didn't like the types that were associated with them. Pot was banned in the 30's or 40's, the reason it was banned in the US at least, was because of it's association with those nasty Jazz musicans, who were mostly black, similar reasons probably existed here. Move forward to the 60's when Acid was banned, filthy hippies used to use that and E was seen as the root cause of all these noisy "raves". I can see a fairly good case for keeping Heroin illegal but then again is it possible to manufacture it in such a form so as to be not as destructive to those using it? I really don't know and don't know where to find out, I wouldn't believe anything the Government told me about drugs or much else for that matter. Everything else dosen't seem to pose too many problems as long as they are produced and supplied under a proper system of controls. Perhaps it wouldn't make all that much difference, but it can't be any worse than the situation we have now. Jonathan Laws -- Yes, I would go along with that summary. Acid and cannabis are harmful to some extent but they aren't really addictive. They cause health problems but nothing like cocaine and heroin and a few others. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Stop or I'll chant!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I said if you are *away* from private property. I know you can have whatever you want in your own home as long as it's legal to possess it, but you can't carry anything in a public place that is about your person for the specific purpose of defence. This being the case then you you do in efect have a right to reasonable self defence as your means with which to execute such right has been denied. OK, I spotted my own deliberate mistake, the word *not* should be inserted between the words "do" and "in", in the last sentence. BUM! Jonathan Laws. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-drugs
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry ET, but I'm convinced the libertarian view is this instance is complete nonsense, because of what I said previously about economics. Heroin is already inexpensive so it hardly matters about where the supply comes from, the only way to stop the supply is stop the dealers (same theory as gun crime really, get the criminals rather than the guns). If you have inelastic demand, then the price will be whatever it is, and you will still have addicts, you will still have addicts committing burglaries to feed their habit, you will still have monumental health costs associated with treating them all. Heroin may be cheap but so are all Drugs, it's just depends on what people decide to charge for them. One Columbian drug baron used to fly Heroin into the US by the 737 load so the price obviously has nowt to do with the actual quantities available. The reason Heroin is cheap is becasue it's being subsidised by Tobacco and Booze smuggling. The profits from the latter are being used to subsidise the former and if the Government ever gets it's act together and reduces alcohol and tobacco tax the price of Heroin will rise again and the dealers will have lots of new addicts because of it. I don't think the answer to illegal drug problems is to stop the dealers, the Police actually do a pretty good job at this anyway, the problem is when you lock up one another will always come along to fill his place. People are stupid, they risk ten year jail terms for robbing Post Offices for a few grand, selling drugs for possibly much bigger rewards is much more attractive. The fact of the mater is, the potential profits are staggering and there are just too many people willing to take the risk. You won't stop people getting it into the Country for the same reason, if you offer some Columbian peasant a lifetimes wages to make a trip on a cargo vessel to deliver a package to Britain He'll jump at the chance. Jonathan Laws -- I think you're right about the smugglers, I think it is a complete farce what the Government is doing, how on Earth can you stop the illegal import of cigarettes, they found a factory the other week that had illegally imported eight tonnes of tobacco and started making cigarettes illegally! Going after the dealers is the only way. The problem is that many dealers do get out far too early and certainly I would never suggest the problem could be stopped totally but they did make a big dent in heroin dealing back in the 80s. The problem now is pretty similar to the gun problem, weepy parents going on about someone killed by ecstacy or ignorant people afraid of cannabis (why?) causing loads of money to be wasted on combatting the wrong problem. There used to be a plant shop next door to the local cop shop that had a sign in the window saying "Pot plants for sale." Only when one of the coppers found his daughter growing said pot plants in his bathtub did they realise what kind of pot plants were being sold there! Heroin and cocaine dealing can be substantially reduced though, I'm convinced of it, in fact every copper I speak to in Walsall says exactly the same thing as me. Revolving door of justice and all that. One thing I do want to say here is that gun crime may have not been a problem pre-1920, but heroin abuse was, why was it banned in the first place? Why did the Chinese go to war to stop it being imported? Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Stop or I'll chant!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would support target shooters, but would never support those who want to own fully auto's. Which is the reason we won't be shooting at all in a few years time, fragmentation. You have to support it all or you won't get any. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-drugs
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's: "Hellawell", and what does he do? Well, in essence he is a puppet who spouts whatever he is told to spout, mostly! He's also a total hypocrite and liar. Before he got his anti drugs job with the Government he was saying that Cannabis should be legalised, now he want's it all kept illegal. He also said, one or two days after getting the job, that Cannabis was not only addictive but halucanogenic, both of which are lies. Jonathan Laws -- Cannabis isn't addictive, but tobacco is, and it's rolled together to make a joint usually. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Stop or I'll chant!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No you won't George Harrison's wife used a poker and wasn't charged. You can have any weapon you like in your own home for self-defence (except a firearm), even switchblades and martial arts weapons as they are only prohibited in public. Steve. I said if you are *away* from private property. I know you can have whatever you want in your own home as long as it's legal to possess it, but you can't carry anything in a public place that is about your person for the specific purpose of defence. This being the case then you you do in efect have a right to reasonable self defence as your means with which to execute such right has been denied. Jonathan Laws. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-xmas safari
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ah, there we go, we can have a Christmas Cybershooters' safari, lead by IG as the Professional Hunter, with his advice for the most suitable gun and load; the selected game being: drug dealer; crackhead; armed robber; lethal-joyrider; hot burglar; and armed loony (including any authorised person who has thrown a mental shoe). Bloody good idea. What about trophy fees tho? s'obvious: scalps. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Police Corruption
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Prior to 1950 something there was no offence of carry an offensive weapon Minor nit, Ian. Surely you remember the Vagrancy Act of 1824 (or was it 1842)? --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-Certificate Holders
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I find that disturbing coming from a dealer. (I presume..'Jackson rifles?) This is a very dangerous statement. Why is the simple stating of an opinion disturbing? We've been down this potential path before. No credible political party subscribes to the theory and it will never appear on any election manifesto during the remainder of my life. And a creadible political party would be??? It is held by a very small number of people. No matter how honourably and passionately those people hold the view, by very virtue of the fact that they are so committed to the viewpoint, they will never ever be prepared to countenance the moderate stance. They will remain, hoewver, in the minority. That fact is inescapable. I don't know about this. There seems to be plenty of support for people who shoot burglars. Jonathan Laws -- There was a classic from the NRA of America some years ago, I think it was after some Labour MP criticised them as an "extreme" organisation with a minority view that was not supported by people. To which I think it was Warren Cassidy who said something like: "Well, we've got 2.5 million members, how many members has the Labour Party got?" The NRA has nearly five million members now. The Labour Party has less than a million, if I recall correctly. It doesn't matter how many people hold this or that view, it depends on how _strongly_ they hold it. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Death Penalty
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is probably certain is that the abolition of the act whereby if one member of a gang committed a murder ALL were guilty of it and thus ALL hanged did lead to a rise in murder during the course of armed robberies by gangs. Read something recently about Florida. Apparently if you are comitting a felony and your accoumplice gets killed by your intended victim then anyone else involved in the crime can be convicted of Murder regardless of weather or not they actually had anything diretly to do with the death. Jonathan Laws -- I think I've had my fill of Florida law for the time being! Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-IGs bad apples etc.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not prepared to reveal what the vetting procedures are. Why? Jonathan Laws -- Because it's a confidential ACPO policy, probably. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-police corruption
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Firstly, this all kicked off with your statement that 5% of people who have FAC's are unpleasant, objectionable and potentially dangerous. It had nothing to do with those who had applied and been refused or have in your view applied for "spurious variations". etc etc I repeat. You only see what you want to see. A small number of people. Do I? This is what you originally posted "Having worked with licensing for some years, I now realise the amount of unpleasant, potentially dangerous and thoroughly objectionable people that own firearms certificates. Before I hear the howls of protest, let me state that these form about 5% of the total in the area that I work." This quite clearly states that 5% of the FAC holders in your area are "unpleasant, potentially dangerous and thoroughly objectionable people". Your words, not a case of me reading anything that isn't actually there. I make NO aplology for being outspoken. Neither do I. Look at the responses yourself. One moment you are slagging the government off for everything, the next you are saying that the laws should be applied. If the Laws were applied properly the Government wouldn't need to introduce new ones to persecute shooters with. You dont really know what side of the fence you want to sit on. I do, quite clearly. I stand by the fact that 5% of the people I deal with are unpleasant, objectionable or potentially dangerous. Often all 3. But you didn't say 5% of the people you deal with, you said 5% of FAC holders, thats not the same thing. The law requires me to make a judgement. Like it or not, that is the way of things in this country. Accepted, there is total freedom for people to be objectionable and unpleasant and still own a firearm. Not so for the potentially dangerous. The point is this. Numbers do not matter. But numbers *do* matter, 0.2% is a world away from 5% There are people who should not, in any circumstances, be allowed near a firearm. Agreed! I do my job and try to ensure that this is the case. I make no apologies for doing so. After all, even Steve tells me that this is the job of the police, so I don't expect any criticism for ensuring the safety of the public. The law requires evidence before a revocation is made. Not merely 3rd hand hearsay. It is very difficult to get that evidence. I thought that appeals against revocation or renewal or grant could indeed take into account hearsay? Does anyone know any person who has justifiably had a cert revoked? As I have pointed out, Yes. I wager that no one will admit it here! (as it seems the overiding view is that anyone should be able to carry anything they want at any time and at any place.) No it isn't, you are being overly dramatic here. Jonathan Laws. -- Section 44 appeals can take into account hearsay and the police in my appeals used a hell of a lot of it. Judges aren't too impressed when they do though. In fact, the police don't even have to tell you why your certificate was revoked, and you can turn up to court not having the vaguest idea what is going on. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-The Gun Control Network
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have at least two subscribers who are in that constituency, either of you been to see your MP about the ban, chaps? Steve. I can see this as not being a particularly good idea. We may have all the best argumants, but after a community has had something like this happen to it (and I know that sounds very TV "sound bite'ish") you can't expect people from it to judge things in an unbiased way. It's exactly the problem we had in the first instance in that you just can't argue against someone who has had their child murdered by a deramged gunman, it dosen't matter how good your argumants are they just aren't going to accept it and to be honest it perfectly understandable given the circumstances. Jonathan Laws -- I'm not suggesting that they do organise a protest, I just wondered whether their MP was responsive to the argument (which I seriously doubt). Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-innocent animals
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There was a monkey from a shipwreck that was hanged in Sunderland in the 1790's for being a Frenchman. It was Hartlepool I think, down the coast a bit. Jonathan Laws. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-Certificate Holders
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK. I'll risk the hate mail and say that I tend agree with some at least of what IG says! Is there anyone out there who hasn't looked around the firing point and thought " Now how the hell did he/she ever get a certificate?" Fortunately none of us are privy to the particular peculiarities of some of our fellow shooters which might or might not disqualify them from firearms ownership but for society at large these matters are of some interest and we do ourselves no favours by adopting the 'any kind of gun for absolutely anyone' attitude that some subscribers seem to favour. I can honestly say that I have never come across another FAC holder who I have thought to be dangerous. Yes I have known one or two, maybe three, who have had tickets pulled and one who got refused an application quite a while ago. The ones who had tickets pulled were because of medical reasons or shooting where they shouldn't, yes I accept that under the Law the revocations were perfectly justified but that is a long way from actually using a firearm in a way so as to be dangerous ie; that may lead to damaging property, upsetting the peace or getting someone shot. I'm sure we have all thought at one time or another that "such and such" is a little strange, eccentric, weird etc, but I'll bet, most of this applied to people we didn't really know all that well? Even then being any of the above is a very long way from being actually dangerous with a firearm. If we had a system that issued FAC's, or any type of licence or privilege for that matter, based on the grounds that you didn't like the look of someone then no one would get them. Fortunately none of us are privy to the particular peculiarities of some of our fellow shooters which might or might not disqualify them from firearms ownership but for society at large these matters are of some interest and we do ourselves no favours by adopting the 'any kind of gun for absolutely anyone' attitude that some subscribers seem to favour. No one is advocating this type of approach. I don't have a problem with not issuing FAC's to people who genuinely are a potential danger and there are lots of them about, people convicted of violence, drug or alcohol addicts, the mentaly impared, but when we start applying the principle of "Well he's a little unorthodox, lets pull/deny his cert, we are heading for trouble because there's nothing to stop it being you next time. Jonathan Laws -- I've met tons of shooters who were a bit weird or eccentric, but there's nothing dangerous about that. In fact it is quite refreshing to be honest, more interesting than the homogenous TV-induced brainwashed people I'm used to meeting. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-police corruption
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I *know* its not rubbish, but I include applicants in this figure, as well as people who make spurious applications for variations, etc. (you know, when you get as far as checking out good reason for possession, you find there actually isnt one. Things like that). Firstly, this all kicked off with your statement that 5% of people who have FAC's are unpleasant, objectionable and potentially dangerous. It had nothing to do with those who had applied and been refused or have in your view applied for "spurious variations". Steve posted the figures for denied renewals and revoked cert's and it dosen't even approach 5%. Even if we assume that every one of the 340 revocations and refusals to renew were due to the reasons you state (and many of them are not) the figure is just under 0.2%. This again leads to the questions of a) if 5% of FAC holders really are unpleasant, objectionable and potentially dangerous then why are they not having their tickets pulled and b) why aren't they actually being dangerous with their guns? I mean 5% of 172,000 people is 8600 and if even 1% of them started acting dangerously we would have certainly have heard about it by now, in fact we wouldn't have any FAC's left to be arguing over. Jonathan Laws. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Inspector Who?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I regret I can't claim the prize but a search of the Mets site turns up a reference on Open.gov.uk listed as Turf Fraud scandal, or trial of the detectives but "the web server was unable to locate the page" Blue pencil or flaky technology? Brian T Hm... This wasn't the bloke who investigated the Met in the 60's-70's? When the Drugs Squad were dealing drugs, CID were setting up bank jobs and the porn squad was raiding dirty book shops and then selling the stuff back to the shop owners was it? Jonathan Laws. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Crime-Homeopath's killer may have psychic grudge
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is some debate about how many shots were fired, but ... the man bent over him and another shot was discharged. There may have been three shots discharged in total. The Teletext article I read said it could have been up to 12 shots. Jonathan Laws. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-police corruption
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You just didn't listen did you? IG DID NOT SAY WHAT HE HAS OR HASN'T DONE about the so-called 5%, but you have seen fit to condemn him without knowing the full facts - THAT IS MY POINT!!!and that is how those BASTARDS in power operate - congratulations, you are now a fully paid-up member of the plonkers society. Chris But you are missing the main thrust of what I said. In the paragraph you quoted it was the figure of 5% I was questioning. I'm perfectly willing to accept that there may be a number of dodgy FAC holders, and I do know of a couple of very recent revocations, that im sure IG knows of, that if what I hear is correct are definatley warranted. I find a figure of 5% difficult to accept though as this ammounts to a rather large number of people in every force area. Given my own experiance of FAC holders and the number of dangerous or illegal acts that are perpetrated by them, I would have to say that the figure of 5% is definatley an gross over estimation. Jonathan Laws. -- In 1995 there were 172,150 FACs on issue and 740,200 SGCs on issue in Great Britain. There were 120 refusals to grant an FAC and 380 refusals to grant a SGC. There were 110 refusals to renew an FAC and 140 refusals to renew a SGC. There were 230 revocations of an FAC and 720 revocations of SGCs. Someone do the math please. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-range accident
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He apparently got cramp and accidentally shot himself in the foot by firing before he was ready to. Unless his intended target was indeed his foot this is a negligent discharge. Well being fair this dosen't sound like a negligent discharge to me. Cramp is not something you can control, if it were Swimmers wouldn't drown because of it. This seems like one of the rare occurences of a genuine accidental discharge as far as I can see. Jonathan Laws. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-police corruption
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Come on guys - you are being totally unfair on IG - he has simply not stated WHAT he has done about the dodgy 5%, and you are assuming he has done nothing - don't condemn a man with insufficient information - that's how Tony Bliar and Jack Boot Straw operate OK, it's late and I can't be bothered to check out exact numbers. But, lets think about it, how many FAC's are there in the Country, a figure of 200, 000 could be plucked out of the air. I don't know if it's right but I don't think there are any less than that. If 5% of FAC holders are not fit to hold said FAC's then that works out at 10,000 People. How many force areas are there, about 40? That means on average 240 people in every force area are not fit to hold FAC's, if this is the case why isn't IG doing something about it especially as he considers them to be "potentially dangerous"? If you extrapolate the figure of 5% to include SGC holders(1.5-2M?), you have to conclude that there are thousands of psychocho's running around every force area, just waiting to perpetrate a massacre. If this is the case then it makes you wonder what the bloody hell people like IG are doing as far as administering the Firearms Acts goes? No, this figure of 5% is just pure rubbish and IG knows it, he probably just chose it because it sounds catchy. If it were correct I certainly wouldn't be associating with this type of person and if it were right I would be getting rather worried, and I'm not. j. -- It is plausible if you include all the people who are refused a grant or had a certificate revoked but the reality is that most of those are for technical reasons or health reasons rather than because they are dodgy people, I reckon, but the stats don't show that. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Police Corruption
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kisko was wrongly convicted under circumstances which reflect very badly on those involved. Under your preferred system he would have hanged. Evidently you consider the accidental/malicious hanging of a few innocents a price worth paying. I do not. Ah yes but this is a classic anti death penalty line isn't it? I mean it is certainly an irreversible penalty and therfore easy to equate it with wrong descisions. It's easy to say such and such would have been hanged if we had the facility availible at the time, whilst forgetting that the fact that we didn't might have actually played a part in their conviction in the first place. We have to rember that in all the years that we had capital punishment there was only ever one case where a phosthumous free pardon was ever granted that was in the case of Timothy Evans who was convicted of Murdering his wife(possibly Bentley but I can't remember). It was subsequently found that he probably didn't do it but probably did Murder his baby daughter, or was it the other way round? Can't quite remember. Anyway the presence of the death penalty seems from the historical record to be associated with fewer wrongful murder convictions rather than the many we seem to have these days. I mean, very few people are going to be prepared to either falsify or withold evidence in a capital case if the end result of a wrongfull executution could be themselves climbing the steps of the gallows. Jonathan Laws. -- We seem to have gone to being a police corruption list and now a death penalty list - I always thought the classic anti-death penalty argument (and the reason why I oppose the death penalty) is that life in prison is worse. The problem is that people get out now after seven years or so. The other argument that swung it for me is that it actually costs more to execute someone because of all the legal procedures than it does to keep them in prison for life. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
Pol-Another stupid ACPO policy
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] And the final incorrect assumption is that none of them can be legally owned by civilians, the police have a lot of shotguns and rifles that are perfectly legal for us to own, but they are chopping them all up. For example, I was in line to buy a police surplus P-H bipod, but instead it has been melted down because of this stupidity. One rural constabulary I know recently disposed of its Parker-Hale sniper rifles (in 243) onto the open market, and these were advertised by ordinary RFDs in _Target Sports_. A similar position hold with respect to the MOD's L42 rifles, and some of AI's AWs are available too. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 -- Like I said, the policy is not legally binding, but a lot of forces are following it. Also the MoD has a policy of not selling any more guns, that is a couple of years old now. They'll sell ammunition though. Steve. ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
Misc-Police Corruption
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Having worked with licensing for some years, I now realise the amount of unpleasant, potentially dangerous and thoroughly objectionable people that own firearms certificates. Before I hear the howls of protest, let me state that these form about 5% of the total in the area that I work. That 5%, however, colours the remaining 95%. All tarred with the same brush.unfair, but thats the way it is! Then why are you not reporting this and getting their certs pulled, especially if you are correct about the "..potentially dangerous..." ones? I don't know where you get this from but in the 14 years I've been shooting I can't honesty say that 5% of the people I've shot with were unpleasant and certainly not potentially dangerous. Believe me if I thought they were I would be reporting them myself. Jonathan Laws. -- Even if what IG was saying had an element of truth to it, (a) it's more like 0.005% and (b) why hasn't he had their certificates revoked? Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-Ruger M77 Heavy Barrel Rifle
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I intend to buy a heavy barrel .308 in the near future, principally for target use, possible occasional red deer, and would like to hear experience/opinion from users of the Ruger M77 VT MK 2. My M77 Mk II was in 243. It came with a trigger in excess of 7lbs, and which had bad creep. With my hand loads, and the bullet seated well out to the lands, it would shoot 3/4 to 1 inch 3 round groups at a 100 yards. (That was good enough for me.) The rifle you're looking at presumably has the same action and trigger. My trigger was improved by a US riflesmith who polished it and lightened the trigger as much as he could, to 5lbs. The trigger, unlike the Rem 700 and the Win 70, is not adjustable. I think Timney now make a trigger for the Mk II (but check). I have tried the Remington 700 VSSF and found it uncomfortable to hold and shoot, possibly because I have quite small hands although I have no problem with my Lee-Enfield No4 or Ruger M77 MK1. I have a Winchester Model 70 Sporter Varmint. This is wooden stocked with a blued action barrel, the barrel having a No. 5 taper. This means that the barrel tapers more than the Rem 700 Varmint barrel does. I found the Rem to be muzzle heavy when fired from the shoulder, whereas the Win is better balanced. And the Win has an adjustable trigger. I've used this rifle for roe and red stalking, in addition to foxing and on crows. It's a fine rifle, but having carried it up a 2,200 feet climb, I can say that it's not something you want to do too often. It weighs 10lbs at the start of the day, and considerably more than that at the end of the day. :-) --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-statutory right of entry
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The VAT men (Customs and Excise) have always had awesome powers. IG: How far does this go, does it only apply if they think you are evading VAT or Duty or can they just go on a Fishing trip? Jonathan Laws. -- Well look what's going on in Australia with handguns. The Federal Government down there have given customs absolutely collosal powers to control the import and export of handguns. In theory if a dealer imports a handgun as a dealer's sample (I think he can have a maximum of ten) he can never sell that gun because of the Customs rules. If he does, even twenty years later, he has violated _import_ law and Customs can legally roust him without a warrant! All he can do with it is export it or have it destroyed as I recall. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-statutory right of entry
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone got a copy of Richard Stillgo on thats life singing the "they have a statutory right of entry to your home" song? Just a passing thought. Wasn't that the "Nationwide" news programme of some years ago? Amazing what you can remeber when you were a very, very, very small child aint it? Jonathan Laws. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-statutory right of entry
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] HSE union reps. have right of entry to any property that have their members working there and can ask for police assistance in gaining entry and carrying out the inspection. The RSPCA and NSPCC can also request this assistance for their work. The RSPCA is a charity and has no powers WHATSOEVER. If it wants to have a property searched, then it tends to ask for police help. If the property owner refuses, then a Magistrates' warrant must be obtained by the police - and the police must produce reasonable grounds for suspicion. Reasonable suspicion, according to law, is more than mere suspicion, there must be concrete grounds for the suspicion. If anyone who is not a constable is to take part in the search then search then they must be named on the warrant or their presence would be a trespass. In my experience, the RSPCA as an institution, disregards the law in this respect (which is why I sued them and won). --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-statutory right of entry
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is not a definitive list but here are the ones I know for sure who have a statutory right of entry. police customs and Excise VAT man (as above?) electricy board gas board water board Fire authority the queen BT The thing is that all of the above may have a right of entry but surely only if they have reason, eg gas or electric emergency's. I'm not sure that BT would have a right of entry as I can't think why they would need it. In the absence of an actual emergency, wouldn't all of these people also need a warrant to get in? Possibly the Queen may have an absolute right of entry? You can't just enter a property to check that someone isn't breaking the Law so I don't think the TV licensing people would be able to get in to check if you were watching the telly. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Field-how to deal with roadkill
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On a slightly different note; I seem to remember a story of a Farmer who after shooting a few Rabbits threw them along with loaded 12Ga into the back of his Land Rover. Apparently one of the "dead" rabbits managed to twitch and fire the shotgun killing him. Jonathan Laws Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-BS Article on Beretta
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Randomly selected M9s fired an average of 4,000 rounds between stoppages, he said, while the .45s fired an average of 162 rounds between them." They must have managed to find the most worn, mal- treated,crappy .45 the US military owned to get results like that. I don't claim to be a .45 expert, but I've seen some right heaps of crap do much much better then that, even after the "kitchen table customsing" of yours truly, and that's saying something! Jonathan Laws. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-Old rifle scopes
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm in the process of acquiring an old (1920's) full stocked Mannlicher sporting carbine in 6.5x54 cal. It comes with a Schmit--Bender scope on what I think are QD mounts that are original to the gun. Does anyone know of anywhere I might get a scope more in keeping with what may have been fitted when the rifle was new? J. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-GMA Control Network
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have to give Gill Marshall-Andrews credit, perhaps she even has an agent? TV producers and newspaper editors are no fools, they will continue to be fleeced as long as they are kept in the dark. er, which all raises the question as to whether she gets a fee for each appearance? Perhaps this is funding GCN? --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 -- The BBC would have paid her for her appearance on that programme. Probably about L200. Your license fee at work. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
