Re: ping
ping pong El dv 19 setembre ó el dss 20 setembre és el dia de la llibertat de programari Fem alguna cosa? Ens trobem ni que sigui per fer una cervessa i menjar unes pizzes? Teniem 96 mitjanes DAMM guardades a l'Ateneu Rosa de Foc, al barri de Gràcia Les cervesses ja no hi son, però ens podem trobar igualment. Que tal dissabte 20 setembre a les jornades que organitzi Caliu? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/b242b2227a4053664f376d3d1570c...@probeta.net
Re: instabilité système actuel
’jour, Le vendredi 15 août 2014, 21:49:20 nicolas.patr...@gmail.com a écrit : […] Je n’ai pas trouvé de documentation claire et précise pour que Lilo puisse lancer systemd. Quelqu’un a ça ? Le gestionnaire de démarrage (lilo, grub, etc.) ne lance pas init. C’est le noyau qui lance init. Par défaut, init est /sbin/init, pour changer, on passe init=/truc/machin comme paramètre _du noyau_. Donc, pour lilo, une ligne append=init=/truc/machin devrait le faire. Mais je ne vois pas vraiment une raison de le faire puisque sysvinit ou systemd, c’est toujours /sbin/init… -- Sylvain Sauvage -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3777285.Qx7qgb9iaQ@earendil
Re : instabilité système actuel
Le 16/08/2014 12:57:47, Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit : Par défaut, init est /sbin/init, pour changer, on passe init=/truc/machin comme paramètre _du noyau_. Donc, pour lilo, une ligne append=init=/truc/machin devrait le faire. Mais je ne vois pas vraiment une raison de le faire puisque sysvinit ou systemd, c’est toujours /sbin/init… OK, chez moi c’est un lien symbolique vers systemd. En revanche : ps -Al|grep init 4 S 0 1 0 0 80 0 - 690 ? ?00:00:49 init et : ps -Al|grep systemd 4 S 0 6491 1 0 80 0 - 6128 ? ?00:00:00 systemd-shim 4 S 0 23246 1 0 80 0 - 1013 ? ?00:00:00 systemd-logind et : # systemctl Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager. Je ne comprends pas bien. nicolas patrois : pts noir asocial -- RÉALISME M : Qu'est-ce qu'il nous faudrait pour qu'on nous considère comme des humains ? Un cerveau plus gros ? P : Non... Une carte bleue suffirait... -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1408189157.1553@new-host-2.home
Re: instabilité système actuel
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian : Le samedi 16 août 2014 à 10:57, Sylvain L. Sauvage sylvain.l.sauv...@free.fr a écrit : Par défaut, init est /sbin/init, pour changer, on passe init=/truc/machin comme paramètre _du noyau_. Donc, pour lilo, une ligne append=init=/truc/machin devrait le faire. Mais je ne vois pas vraiment une raison de le faire puisque sysvinit ou systemd, c’est toujours /sbin/init… Ce qui explique que chacun des paquets 'sysvinit', 'systemd' - et 'upstart' - soit en conflit (Conflict, voir note a) avec les deux autres. Et, donc, qu'il faudra choisir un (et un seul) parmi ces trois-là... ;-) Note a : Ce que j'ai constaté sous Wheezy/Stable (mais j'imagine que c'est aussi le cas sous Jessie/Testing et sous Sid/Unstable). Cordialement et à bientôt, Stéphane -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201408161320.45340.stephane.garg...@gmail.com
Re: instabilité système actuel
Stéphane GARGOLY a écrit : Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian : Le samedi 16 août 2014 à 10:57, Sylvain L. Sauvage sylvain.l.sauv...@free.fr a écrit : Par défaut, init est /sbin/init, pour changer, on passe init=/truc/machin comme paramètre _du noyau_. Donc, pour lilo, une ligne append=init=/truc/machin devrait le faire. Mais je ne vois pas vraiment une raison de le faire puisque sysvinit ou systemd, c'est toujours /sbin/init... Ce qui explique que chacun des paquets 'sysvinit', 'systemd' - et 'upstart' - soit en conflit (Conflict, voir note a) avec les deux autres. Explication insuffisante. Debian sait très bien gérer ce genre de conflit sans avoir recours à l'exclusion mutuelle, grâce au système des alternatives. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ef605c.7050...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Terminology-0.6.1
Bonjour Le paquet Terminology-0.6.1, le terminal d'E17, E18 et E19, est indisponible dans Debian alors que l'on peut installer E17 et les EFL d'Enlightenment. Terminal révolutionnaire (il affiche les fichiers, les images, les vidéo!) pourtant très stable et compilable avec les bibliothèques EFL de Sid et Jessie. Copies d'écran https://www.google.fr/search?hl=frsite=imghptbm=ischsource=hpbiw=1171bih=1031q=terminologyoq=terminologygs_l=img.3..0i19l10.1897.4856.0.5606.11.8.0.3.3.0.85.586.8.8.00...1ac.1.51.img..0.11.592.u6ki96GSaSc#hl=frq=terminology+enlightenmenttbm=ischtbs=isz:lt%2Cislt:svga Démonstration vidéo (obsolète) de la version 0.3 http://enlightenment.org/p.php?p=about/terminologyl=en Les sources https://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=downloadl=en http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/apps/terminology/terminology-0.6.1.tar.gz -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ef7a6e.30...@gmail.com
Re: Google music manager et problème de réseau (dnet suspecté)
Bonsoir, Quel est le rapport entre google, de la musique et une adresse MAC ? -- Guillaume Le 15/08/2014 09:28, nicolas.patr...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour, J’essaie en vain de faire fonctionner google music manager. J’obtiens invariablement l’erreur précisant qu’il n’identifie pas mon pécé. Il semble que mon adresse MAC ne lui plaît pas. Je la change, rien de neuf. Je ne tente pas de l’utiliser à l’intérieur d’un système émulé. Il semble qu’en fait, mes adresses MAC étant celles données par dnet par défaut, dnet soit le fautif. http://ronalleva.com/2011/11/20/google-music-could-not-identify-your-computer-in-ubuntu.html Quelqu’un sait à quoi sert dnet (à part comme dépendance d’Audacious) ? nicolas patrois : pts noir asocial -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53efcaff.9040...@gwilhom.fr
[testing] Lenovo T420 et autonomie
Bonjour, J'ai un Lenovo T420 avec une batterie 9 éléments, mais malgré cela j'ai une autonomie faible (environ 3h). Si je regarde la jauge de Gnome en 3 niveaux, elle reste longtemps sur le premier mais ensuite dès que l'on passe sur le 2e niveau tout s'accélère et à la fin je passe de 15% à 5% en quelques minutes. Est-ce de même pour d'autre possesseurs de T420 ? Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140817013115.93c0e5d39ff27f1e0da4d...@neuf.fr
Re: ¿Cómo obtener info del sistema luego de un cuelgue y rebooteo?
El día 16 de agosto de 2014, 3:10, Rivera Valdez riveravaldezm...@gmail.com escribió: Qué tal, tengo una máquina vieja corriendo Debian Testing, y desde hace un tiempo se cuelga maś o menos aleatoriamente (típicamente una vez al día, cuando no hay nadie usándola directamente), si el monitor está encendido el escritorio queda congelado, y si no, no vuelve a tener imagen. En cualquier caso, sólo puedo resetear, porque no hay respuesta de ningún tipo (mouse, teclado, ssh desde otra máquina en la LAN, nada). ¿Cómo puedo obtener información que me indique dónde está surgiendo el problema?, después de reiniciar, claro. Los logs de /var/log parecen tener información general, no del momento del cuelgue específicamente. Tengo motivos para sospechar del GPU o incluso de un fallo del mother, pero necesito algún dato/info que el sistema guarde de donde pueda ver cuál es el origen. Desde ya les agradezco cualquier ayuda que me puedan tirar, Has pensado en volcar los logs a otra máquina con rsyslog? Quizás si lo pones en modo debug full puedas ver algo más. ¡saludos! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cajs4opsfpj-mwuny25kuuzej_zrkfzco_tonqb1erupg4fh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: ¿Cómo obtener info del sistema luego de un cuelgue y rebooteo?
El Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:10:04 -0300, Rivera Valdez escribió: Qué tal, Hola, recuerda que hay que desactivar el formato html en los mensajes que se mandan a la lista. tengo una máquina vieja corriendo Debian Testing, y desde hace un tiempo se cuelga maś o menos aleatoriamente (típicamente una vez al día, cuando no hay nadie usándola directamente), si el monitor está encendido el escritorio queda congelado, y si no, no vuelve a tener imagen. En cualquier caso, sólo puedo resetear, porque no hay respuesta de ningún tipo (mouse, teclado, ssh desde otra máquina en la LAN, nada). ¿Responde a un simple ping o las teclas de rescate¹? Podrías intentar algunas pruebas sencillas como no iniciar el servidor gráfico (si actualmente cargas algún DE) o desactivar cualquier rutina de suspensión/hibernación en el caso de que la uses. ¿Cómo puedo obtener información que me indique dónde está surgiendo el problema?, después de reiniciar, claro. Los logs de /var/log parecen tener información general, no del momento del cuelgue específicamente. Tengo motivos para sospechar del GPU o incluso de un fallo del mother, pero necesito algún dato/info que el sistema guarde de donde pueda ver cuál es el origen. Desde ya les agradezco cualquier ayuda que me puedan tirar, Por los síntomas que indicas parece un cuelgue del kernel (que no deja registros seguramente porque el demonio rsyslog habrá dejado de responder) o un problema de hardware y tratándose de un equipo viejo me decantaría más lo segundo, principalmente la memoria o la fuente de alimentación. La única forma de ver los registros del kernel cuando se queda colgado es conectando otro equipo (o máquina virtual aunque es complicado) al puerto serie para que haga un volcado en otro ordenador. En esta página² de Ubuntu indican algunas opciones. ¹http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key ²https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelDebuggingTricks#Console_Messages Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.08.16.14.59...@gmail.com
Re: OT Problemas con VirtualBox
El Fri, 15 Aug 2014 23:47:15 +0100, José Manuel (EB8CXW) escribió: El 15/08/14 15:28, Camaleón escribió: (...) Bien, como parece que ya tienes algunos de estos paquetes instalados, antes de nada vamos a ver cuáles son y de qué versiones se trata. Ejecuta este comando y manda la salida: dpkg -l | grep -i -e virtualbox -e linux-headers Me aparece lo siguiente: root@debian-Papa:/home/eb8cxw# dpkg -l | grep -i -e virtualbox -e linux-headers ii linux-headers-3.14-2-486 3.14.15-2 i386 Header files for Linux 3.14-2-486 ii linux-headers-3.14-2-686-pae 3.14.15-2 i386 Header files for Linux 3.14-2-686-pae ii linux-headers-3.14-2-common 3.14.15-2 i386 Common header files for Linux 3.14-2 ii linux-headers-3.2.0-4-486 3.2.57-3 i386 Header files for Linux 3.2.0-4-486 ii linux-headers-3.2.0-4-686-pae 3.2.57-3 i386 Header files for Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae ii linux-headers-3.2.0-4-common 3.2.57-3 i386 Common header files for Linux 3.2.0-4 ii linux-headers-486 3.14+59 i386 Header files for Linux 486 configuration (meta-package) ii linux-headers-686-pae 3.14+59 i386 Header files for Linux 686-pae configuration (meta-package) ii virtualbox-4.3 4.3.14-95030~Debian~wheezyi386 Oracle VM VirtualBox ii virtualbox-guest-dkms 4.3.14-dfsg-1 all x86 virtualization solution - guest addition module source for dkms ii virtualbox-guest-utils 4.3.14-dfsg-1 i386 x86 virtualization solution - non-X11 guest utilities Un momento... ¿estás en Wheezy? Pensaba que estabas en testing por el kernel que tenías. Veamos qué dice la wiki para Debian estable: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22_Backports Hum... los pasos son parecidos, lo único es que el paquete de virtualbox está en los backports, así que asegúrate de que tienes activado el repo de backports. Sigamos. No, un momento, el paquete que tienes instalado de virtualbox NO es (o no parece) de los backports porque los paquetes que vienen del repo de backports llevan la coletilla de BPO y además el paquete de backports para wheezy es la versión 4.3.12 y la tuya es la 4.3.14. Ejem... aquí vas a tener que explicarte, amigo ;-) root@debian-Papa:/home/eb8cxw# dpkg -l | grep linux-image ii linux-image-3.14-1-486 3.14.12-1 i386 Linux 3.14 for older PCs ii linux-image-3.14-2-486 3.14.15-2 i386 Linux 3.14 for older PCs ii linux-image-3.14-2-686-pae 3.14.15-2 i386 Linux 3.14 for modern PCs ii linux-image-486 3.14+59 i386Linux for older PCs (meta-package) ii linux-image-686-pae 3.14+59 i386Linux for modern PCs (meta-package) Por kernels no va a ser, no... tienes 3: el que viene con wheezy para sistemas PAE, el de wheezy para sistemas no PAE y el de backports :-P Voy a dar por hecho que el kernel habitual que usas es el de backports. (...) Paquetes sugeridos: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso vde2 Los siguientes paquetes se ELIMINARÁN: virtualbox-4.3 ^^ Eso es malo. Raro, al menos. Se instalarán los siguientes paquetes NUEVOS: libgsoap5 libvncserver0 virtualbox virtualbox-dkms virtualbox-qt 0 actualizados, 5 se instalarán, 1 para eliminar y 0 no actualizados. Necesito descargar 21,8 MB de archivos. Se liberarán 74,8 MB después de esta operación. ¿Desea continuar? [S/n] n No, claro, has hecho bien al detenerlo. Ejecuta aptitude why-not virtualbox-4.3 a ver qué te dice. root@debian-Papa:/home/eb8cxw# aptitude why-not virtualbox-4.3 i virtualbox-4.3 Entra en conflicto virtualbox i virtualbox-4.3 Proporcionavirtualbox Bueno, a ver... mi bola de cristal me dice que o bien aptitude se ha vuelto loco o lo que intenta decirte es que tienes un paquete de virtualbox instalado desde otro lado (¿Oracle?) y está entrando en conflicto con el que quieres instalar de los backports, lo cual es normal. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.08.16.15.17...@gmail.com
Re: ¿Cómo obtener info del sistema luego de un cuelgue y rebooteo?
Hola El 15/08/14 20:40, Rivera Valdez escribió: Qué tal, tengo una máquina vieja corriendo Debian Testing, y desde hace un tiempo se cuelga maś o menos aleatoriamente (típicamente una vez al día, cuando no hay nadie usándola directamente), si el monitor está encendido el escritorio queda congelado, y si no, no vuelve a tener imagen. En cualquier caso, sólo puedo resetear, porque no hay respuesta de ningún tipo (mouse, teclado, ssh desde otra máquina en la LAN, nada). ¿Cómo puedo obtener información que me indique dónde está surgiendo el problema?, después de reiniciar, claro. Los logs de /var/log parecen tener información general, no del momento del cuelgue específicamente. Tengo motivos para sospechar del GPU o incluso de un fallo del mother, pero necesito algún dato/info que el sistema guarde de donde pueda ver cuál es el origen. Pregunta: ¿Cuando se congela permanece la señal de video ? Desde ya les agradezco cualquier ayuda que me puedan tirar, ¿Has revisado la configuración del BIOS en busca de algo sospechoso? ¿Podrías intentar iniciar con una distro live como knoppix, por ejemplo y así ver si se repite? ¿Has intentado monitorear la temperatura del disco duro? (Algunos congelamientos son ocasionados por altas temperaturas) Hace algún tiempo me pidieron mirar una máquina que se congelaba de manera aleatoria, a veces estando en la misma pantalla de configuración del BIOS. El problema era una característica del procesador que estaba activada (no recuerdo cual) y ocasionaba esa falla. Llegué a la solución investigando todos los parámetros del BIOS por google (no tenía mucho que hacer aquellos días). ¡saludos! Saludos. Juan Lavieri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53efe787.1050...@gmail.com
Re: Debian på G+ ?
Debian har beslutat att inte använda Google eller Facebook. De är inte fria produkter. Svårare är det inte. Det hindrar inte andra från att ha grupper som stödjer Debian på dessa forum. /Jackson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacxj-bhpgkdq8utacja6phwt1rarwgqsjgd3iuurb2x3fy9...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Vart har eventet flyttat?
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Philip Lundqvist phi...@osterlenswebbyra.se wrote: Vilka datum äger detta event rum, och i vilken stad? Det var igår som Debian Day firades i Kista, Stockholm. -- Per -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cabyrxsqd+mirqa+qc9pybiv8pixvpyj7sa5v3tmskpv3qyu...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian Day in Stockholm
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Alexander Bessman alexan...@bessman.se wrote: Jag kommer (hej förresten, jag är ny på listan), men inte förrän framåt 18. Hej Alex, välkommen till listan och kul att ses igår! -- Per -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CABYrXSR9BQ=pXravYmVHkpGaXkf20iNO0t-394rrhqd4...@mail.gmail.com
Svensk och nordisk Debiangemenskap
(Svarar Mattias A här på debian-user-swedish, från memb...@lists.fripost.org.) Jag är med på Debian-listan och ville försöka komma idag till Kista men hade ont om tid! Hur var det? Det var jättekul! Någon nämnde intresse om att starta svenskt Debian-gemenskap? :) Japp! Vi pratade om det och märkte att vi är några stycken som har försökt driva det på varsina håll i några år. (T ex finns ju IRC-kanalerna #debian.se på både OFTC och freenode och #debian-nordic finns på oftc.) Jag har försökt driva en nordisk Debiangemenskap i några år och tror att de frön jag har planterat har börjat gro nu. Se separat post om Debianmöte på FSCONS senare i år. -- Per -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CABYrXSQKAgMGUacc=dnfwnmfjwcandzfcrsvg1bophkqzv8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian Day in Stockholm
On Sat, 2014-08-16 at 10:27 +0200, Per Andersson wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Alexander Bessman alexan...@bessman.se wrote: Jag kommer (hej förresten, jag är ny på listan), men inte förrän framåt 18. Hej Alex, välkommen till listan och kul att ses igår! -- Per Detsamma! // Alex signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Debian Day in Stockholm
Hejsan, det var trevligt och ses igår och grattis till 21år https://bits.debian.org/2014/08/20-birthday-debian.html?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitterutm_campaign=bits.debian.org Vi får ta och ses till Jessie releasen eller tidigare än så alltid trevligt o umgås med Linuxfolk :) On 8/16/14, Alexander Bessman alexan...@bessman.se wrote: On Sat, 2014-08-16 at 10:27 +0200, Per Andersson wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Alexander Bessman alexan...@bessman.se wrote: Jag kommer (hej förresten, jag är ny på listan), men inte förrän framåt 18. Hej Alex, välkommen till listan och kul att ses igår! -- Per Detsamma! // Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao42zu8usqmkartkznbbdqyf6g6b7jjiwswuk0ej+n9tuse...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian Day in Stockholm
Hi, Photos from Debian day: https://www.flickr.com/gp/helioloureiro/U60zm1 Very nice Debian meeting. I enjoyed a lot. And now we can start thinking about next one :-) hero, Helio Loureiro -= sent by Android =- On Aug 16, 2014 1:20 PM, Alexander Bessman alexan...@bessman.se wrote: On Sat, 2014-08-16 at 10:27 +0200, Per Andersson wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Alexander Bessman alexan...@bessman.se wrote: Jag kommer (hej förresten, jag är ny på listan), men inte förrän framåt 18. Hej Alex, välkommen till listan och kul att ses igår! -- Per Detsamma! // Alex
21 år!
Grattis Debian på 21 års dagen ! En gång i tiden var det en myndighets ålder. -- /Rolf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadt_qgug3tzd2wahqrt9bofjhh3zhudmk6+7to_lahf7vrq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 21 år!
On 16 Aug 2014 15:25 +0200, from rolfew...@gmail.com (Rolf Edlund): Grattis Debian på 21 års dagen ! En gång i tiden var det en myndighets ålder. Både Linux och Debian har kommit ganska långt på den tiden... Jag minns min första erfarenhet av Linux. Det var i mitten av 90-talet (tror det var när man kunde läsa recensioner av betaversionerna av Windows 95 i diverse tidningar, vilket placerar oss i 1994 eller början av 1995) och jag tror inte ens att jag lyckades få igång X på den tiden. Än mindre göra något vettigt i Linux så det blev Microsoft några år till. (Inte ens Windows 95 ville på första försöken för mig!) Någon gång under första halvan 2001 tröttnade jag på ständiga blåskärmar... och när jag skulle installera Linux lyckades jag, efter några misslyckade installationsförsök, formatera om den hårddisk dit jag mödosamt kopierat alla mina dokument och annat, för att ha dem kvar. Självklart var det dessutom den installationen som gick bra... Då var det Red Hat 6.2. Nu är det Debian 7. På vägen har det varit både Gentoo, Slackware, SuSE och några andra. Man måste våga prova sig fram. (Och jag skulle nog inte sätta en ren Debian i händerna på en total nybörjare; säga vad man vill, men för den kategorin användare är nog faktiskt Ubuntu bättre out-of-the-box... Det är väl tur att det finns alternativ!) -- Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • mich...@kjorling.se OpenPGP B501AC6429EF4514 https://michael.kjorling.se/public-keys/pgp “People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don’t.” (Bjarne Stroustrup) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816140836.gd7...@yeono.kjorling.se
Nordisk Debianträff på FSCONS, 31 okt - 2 nov
Hej! Det har börjat tisslas och tasslas om en nordisk Debianträff på FSCONS senare i höst. På debian-project@l.d.o finns den ursprungliga skrivelsen till Debianprojektet och Debianutvecklare i norden. [0] På Debianwikin finns en sida för saker som händer i norden. [1] Det finns lite kort information om evenemanget där än så länge. Med tiden kommer det en egen sida med information om vad som kommer att hända under träffen. Kortfattat kommer det att antagligen att ske viss bug squashing, utåtriktat arbete (ett så kallat bokbord/bås) samt föredrag och workshops om det kommer förbi några kunniga, intresserade eller nyfikna. De idéer som jag hittills har drivit eller hört från andra rör nordiska och/eller svenska Debiangemenskaper, IRC-kanaler och hemsidor, paketeringsteam för lokalisering och lokalspecifika paket (t ex översättningsarbete, aspell-sv, svtplay-dl, fribid etc), DebConf i Sverige. Svara gärna med idéer redan nu, även för vad som kan göras på FSCONS. Vi syns på FSCONS senare i höst! [0] http://lists.debian.org/CABYrXSSCbHxvs=rcU80MOZ1P=gee3fkajxhraqgkfb5ap66...@mail.gmail.com [1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/Nordic -- Per -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cabyrxsqbqfdczkxqq2ce3xc8dojafft0zfpsspq+6boy7dj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 21 år!
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 14:08:36 + Michael Kjörling mich...@kjorling.se wrote: On 16 Aug 2014 15:25 +0200, from rolfew...@gmail.com (Rolf Edlund): Grattis Debian på 21 års dagen ! En gång i tiden var det en myndighets ålder. Både Linux och Debian har kommit ganska långt på den tiden... Jag minns min första erfarenhet av Linux. Det var i mitten av 90-talet (tror det var när man kunde läsa recensioner av betaversionerna av Windows 95 i diverse tidningar, vilket placerar oss i 1994 eller början av 1995) och jag tror inte ens att jag lyckades få igång X på den tiden. Än mindre göra något vettigt i Linux så det blev Microsoft några år till. (Inte ens Windows 95 ville på första försöken för mig!) Någon gång under första halvan 2001 tröttnade jag på ständiga blåskärmar... och när jag skulle installera Linux lyckades jag, efter några misslyckade installationsförsök, formatera om den hårddisk dit jag mödosamt kopierat alla mina dokument och annat, för att ha dem kvar. Självklart var det dessutom den installationen som gick bra... Då var det Red Hat 6.2. Nu är det Debian 7. På vägen har det varit både Gentoo, Slackware, SuSE och några andra. Man måste våga prova sig fram. (Och jag skulle nog inte sätta en ren Debian i händerna på en total nybörjare; säga vad man vill, men för den kategorin användare är nog faktiskt Ubuntu bättre out-of-the-box... Det är väl tur att det finns alternativ!) Mitt första äventyr med Linux var Red Hat någon gång i början av 90-talet. Var i London och hittade en bok om RH. Sedan blev det Suse och Mandrake. På min laptop blev det Slackware. Debian kom jag i kontakt med i form av Woody. Efter det var det rätt mycket Ubuntu. Numera är det mest Debian och Mint. Mint är i stort sett problemfritt men det är ändå Debian jag gillar bäst. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816164849.10007803@igor
Re: 21 år!
2014-08-16 16:08 GMT+02:00 Michael Kjörling mich...@kjorling.se: On 16 Aug 2014 15:25 +0200, from rolfew...@gmail.com (Rolf Edlund): [...] Då var det Red Hat 6.2. Nu är det Debian 7. På vägen har det varit både Gentoo, Slackware, SuSE och några andra. Man måste våga prova sig fram. (Och jag skulle nog inte sätta en ren Debian i händerna på en total nybörjare; säga vad man vill, men för den kategorin användare är nog faktiskt Ubuntu bättre out-of-the-box... Det är väl tur att det finns alternativ!) Min partner och jag har satt Debian och task-xfce-desktop i händerna på våra totala nybörjarföräldrar (med 20 års datorvana paradoxalt nog). De älskar det och har mycket lättare att hantera dessa datorer än tidigare Windows och OSX. De har installerat själva när vi har suttit jämte dem och guidat dem. Montering, hantering av dubbla skärmar, network manager för trådburet och trådlöst nätverk och mycket annat har de lärt sig. De snappar upp det väldigt fort faktiskt, jag är imponerad. Sen skiljer det ju sig inte så mycket från andra datormiljöer längre heller. På foss-sthlm-listan diskuterade vi nyligen barn och datorer. De flesta som svarade hade låtit sina barn använda Debian, barnen klarade det ju galant såklart. Nybörjare klarar Debian utmärkt. -- Per -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cabyrxssqnv9+dvmhqgfhzbpkvrqdbnwx6udlxat9s_sh6jr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 21 år!
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 19:34:24 +0200 Per Andersson avtob...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-08-16 16:08 GMT+02:00 Michael Kjörling mich...@kjorling.se: On 16 Aug 2014 15:25 +0200, from rolfew...@gmail.com (Rolf Edlund): [...] Då var det Red Hat 6.2. Nu är det Debian 7. På vägen har det varit både Gentoo, Slackware, SuSE och några andra. Man måste våga prova sig fram. (Och jag skulle nog inte sätta en ren Debian i händerna på en total nybörjare; säga vad man vill, men för den kategorin användare är nog faktiskt Ubuntu bättre out-of-the-box... Det är väl tur att det finns alternativ!) Min partner och jag har satt Debian och task-xfce-desktop i händerna på våra totala nybörjarföräldrar (med 20 års datorvana paradoxalt nog). De älskar det och har mycket lättare att hantera dessa datorer än tidigare Windows och OSX. De har installerat själva när vi har suttit jämte dem och guidat dem. Montering, hantering av dubbla skärmar, network manager för trådburet och trådlöst nätverk och mycket annat har de lärt sig. De snappar upp det väldigt fort faktiskt, jag är imponerad. Sen skiljer det ju sig inte så mycket från andra datormiljöer längre heller. På foss-sthlm-listan diskuterade vi nyligen barn och datorer. De flesta som svarade hade låtit sina barn använda Debian, barnen klarade det ju galant såklart. Nybörjare klarar Debian utmärkt. -- Per Udda hårdvara kan vara ett problem, inte oöverstigligt men ändå. I mina ThinkPad X200s tex sitter det ett chip för trådlöst nätverk som inte supportas av installations-CDn. Märkligt, men så är det iallafall. Inget stort problem om man har både trådlöst och koppar men jag kan tänka mig att en nybörjare skulle uppfatta det som lite jobbigt. Själv suckade jag djupt. /Janne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816200114.37e77e98@igor
Re: 21 år!
2014-08-16 20:01 GMT+02:00 j...@lillahusetiskogen.se: [...] Udda hårdvara kan vara ett problem, inte oöverstigligt men ändå. I mina ThinkPad X200s tex sitter det ett chip för trådlöst nätverk som inte supportas av installations-CDn. Märkligt, men så är det iallafall. Inget stort problem om man har både trådlöst och koppar men jag kan tänka mig att en nybörjare skulle uppfatta det som lite jobbigt. Själv suckade jag djupt. Thinkpads X-serie har intels trådlösa kort och behöver således firmware-iwlwifi som ligger i non-free. Sedan ett tag tillbaka är proprietära firmware-blobbar separerade från Linuxkärnan i Debian. -- Per -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CABYrXSTf1ZBQbo3KeFUXsO57GLjr-1c5S=jgesjncf2mvw_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 21 år!
Jag har installerat från http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ de senaste gångerna. /Staffan 2014-08-17 1:08 GMT+02:00 Per Andersson avtob...@gmail.com: 2014-08-16 20:01 GMT+02:00 j...@lillahusetiskogen.se: [...] Udda hårdvara kan vara ett problem, inte oöverstigligt men ändå. I mina ThinkPad X200s tex sitter det ett chip för trådlöst nätverk som inte supportas av installations-CDn. Märkligt, men så är det iallafall. Inget stort problem om man har både trådlöst och koppar men jag kan tänka mig att en nybörjare skulle uppfatta det som lite jobbigt. Själv suckade jag djupt. Thinkpads X-serie har intels trådlösa kort och behöver således firmware-iwlwifi som ligger i non-free. Sedan ett tag tillbaka är proprietära firmware-blobbar separerade från Linuxkärnan i Debian. -- Per -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cabyrxstf1zbqbo3kefuxso57gljr-1c5sjgesjncf2mvw_...@mail.gmail.com -- Staffan Melin Oscillator - ord bild form Kryssdäcket 1 SE-413 27 GÖTEBORG SVERIGE/SWEDEN www.oscillator.se staffan.me...@oscillator.se +46 (0)70-4876 250 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caerjl6de9wbemr_+k9qcl+0t0-c+aqyqqoljmflzgkpcaa8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 21 år!
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 01:08:52 +0200 Per Andersson avtob...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-08-16 20:01 GMT+02:00 j...@lillahusetiskogen.se: [...] Udda hårdvara kan vara ett problem, inte oöverstigligt men ändå. I mina ThinkPad X200s tex sitter det ett chip för trådlöst nätverk som inte supportas av installations-CDn. Märkligt, men så är det iallafall. Inget stort problem om man har både trådlöst och koppar men jag kan tänka mig att en nybörjare skulle uppfatta det som lite jobbigt. Själv suckade jag djupt. Thinkpads X-serie har intels trådlösa kort och behöver således firmware-iwlwifi som ligger i non-free. Sedan ett tag tillbaka är proprietära firmware-blobbar separerade från Linuxkärnan i Debian. -- Per Jo jag inser hur det hänger ihop och har inget problem med det. Hur en som aldrig använt Debian tidigare reagerar kan jag också tänka mig. /Janne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140817044533.7676a8b3@igor
Re: 21 år!
Sorry! Glömde i tröttheten att ända så att mina mail skulle gå till listan istället för privat. Sorry för det. :( -- /Rolf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadt_qgtjkgmymn65bfsowne-jkbtcdevv5fdcmmne1t2gza...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 21 år!
Den 16 augusti 2014 16:08 skrev Michael Kjörling mich...@kjorling.se: Grattis Debian på 21 års dagen ! En gång i tiden var det en myndighets ålder. Både Linux och Debian har kommit ganska långt på den tiden... Jo, ibörjan var väl Linux/Debian mer för entasiaster, än för vanliga döda. Jag minns min första erfarenhet av Linux. Det var i mitten av 90-talet (tror det var när man kunde läsa recensioner av betaversionerna av Windows 95 i diverse tidningar, vilket placerar oss i 1994 eller början av 1995) och jag tror inte ens att jag lyckades få igång X på den tiden. Än mindre göra något vettigt i Linux så det blev Microsoft några år till. (Inte ens Windows 95 ville på första försöken för mig!) Någon gång under första halvan 2001 tröttnade jag på ständiga blåskärmar... och när jag skulle installera Linux lyckades jag, efter några misslyckade installationsförsök, formatera om den hårddisk dit jag mödosamt kopierat alla mina dokument och annat, för att ha dem kvar. Självklart var det dessutom den installationen som gick bra... Tänk vad mycket du har lärt dig om OS på den tiden. En komis till mig, råkade en gång hamna ute i DOS promtern i Windows. Han fick fullständigt panik! Ändå hade han använt datorer i många år. Då var det Red Hat 6.2. Nu är det Debian 7. På vägen har det varit både Gentoo, Slackware, SuSE och några andra. Man måste våga prova sig fram. (Och jag skulle nog inte sätta en ren Debian i händerna på en total nybörjare; säga vad man vill, men för den kategorin användare är nog faktiskt Ubuntu bättre out-of-the-box... Det är väl tur att det finns alternativ!) Jo, fast idag är inte Debian så jättesvår, som den var för bara några år sedan. Det mesta kan göras i GUI idag. Jag kan hålla med om att Ubuntu kanske är ett bra första val. Fast ser man till ren stabilitet, så skulle jag nog hellre välja en annan dist. Har själv använt *buntu en gång i tiden. Men när sen versionerna bara blev mer och mer buggiga. Så slutade jag använda *buntu. Själv började jag mina allra första stapplande Linux steg med Debian 1.3. Som jag minns det, låg den ihop med 3 andra distar i en box. Har för mig att det var RedHat, Slackware och Mandrake. Men kan minnas fel där. Önskade att jag hade haft skivorna kvar. För idag tror jag inte det går att skaffa installations CD skivor med Debian 1.3. -- /Rolf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CADT_Qgs+V8xc-QT7W6CAGui9LgPpZY9U=4zdf=uPSZ3YFkf=w...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 21 år!
Den 16 augusti 2014 16:48 skrev j...@lillahusetiskogen.se: Mitt första äventyr med Linux var Red Hat någon gång i början av 90-talet. Var i London och hittade en bok om RH. Sedan blev det Suse och Mandrake. På min laptop blev det Slackware. Debian kom jag i kontakt med i form av Woody. Efter det var det rätt mycket Ubuntu. Numera är det mest Debian och Mint. Mint är i stort sett problemfritt men det är ändå Debian jag gillar bäst. SuSE (som jag har för mig dom skrev det då), körde jag oxå ett tag. Då när den hade versionsnummer 5.3. Jag gillade den skarpt. Det enda som var problemet, var att man var tvungen att kunna mycket tyska. För det var bara 50 % som var översatt av programmen. Sen köpte jag 6.0, men där fungerade inte installationsprogrammet som den skulle. T.ex så installerade den en Linuxkärna för SCSI, när man hade vanliga PATA hårddiskar. Det var bara en av problemen med v6.0. Så den blev stående på hyllan. Tror jag fortfarande har kvar den i någon låda på vinden. -- /Rolf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CADT_Qgty5CSLmmp!bs-9x-gkq2ozbvjrn7uwcdzx509ns...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 21 år!
Den 16 augusti 2014 16:48 skrev j...@lillahusetiskogen.se: Mint är i stort sett problemfritt men det är ändå Debian jag gillar bäst. Därför ser jag Mint som ett bättre första val. -- /Rolf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadt_qguwvc4rlyuayo-+cgocznymsu_ddsp-gu9jwy21dcd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Anybody know who user-65534 is?
Hi. On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 00:44:31 +0200 david davce...@keyworld.net wrote: I have been bothered by this too. KUser shows this user as nobody whose home directory is /nonexistent and whose login shell is /usr/sbin/nologin. The account on one machine is set as disabled but both my current machines (#3 failed to turn on today :-( ) suffer the shut down delay - most times but not always. The interesting bit (I think) is that this user is a member of only the lp, lpadmin and nogroup groups. This appears wrong to me. You see, stock Debian's nobody is: $ getent passwd nobody nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh $ id nobody uid=65534(nobody) gid=65534(nogroup) groups=65534(nogroup) So, you have custom shell for nobody, which can be the source of your problem, and you have custom groups for nobody, which is asking for trouble (see /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz). Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2014081618.6a5bf5456a964943c6dfd...@gmail.com
Re: Anybody know who user-65534 is?
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:00:08 +0400 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 00:44:31 +0200 david davce...@keyworld.net wrote: I have been bothered by this too. KUser shows this user as nobody whose home directory is /nonexistent and whose login shell is /usr/sbin/nologin. The account on one machine is set as disabled but both my current machines (#3 failed to turn on today :-( ) suffer the shut down delay - most times but not always. The interesting bit (I think) is that this user is a member of only the lp, lpadmin and nogroup groups. This appears wrong to me. You see, stock Debian's nobody is: $ getent passwd nobody nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh $ id nobody uid=65534(nobody) gid=65534(nogroup) groups=65534(nogroup) So, you have custom shell for nobody, which can be the source of your problem, and you have custom groups for nobody, which is asking for trouble (see /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz). I have /usr/sbin/nologin also. This is up-to-date sid with systemd, which may not have the same defaults as previous distributions. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816081750.25984...@jresid.jretrading.com
Re: Gnome for jessie
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 10:56:53PM -0400, Stephen L. Novak wrote: I'm only submitting that I would vote to see gnome as the default interface for jessie too. Your vote has no affect whatsoever on what the default DE will be. The only way you can influence the decision is to install popularity-contest and indicate you'd like to take part in the survey. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816084614.GK3731@tal
Re: Anybody know who user-65534 is?
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 08:17:50 +0100 Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: I have /usr/sbin/nologin also. This is up-to-date sid with systemd, which may not have the same defaults as previous distributions. Curious. And what shell do they set now for users with uid 100? I've checked more-or-less fresh testing with systemd, and it says to me: # getent passwd nobody nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh Anyway, changing nobody's shell to /bin/sh is worth trying IMO. /usr/sbin/nologin as a shell is the RedHat way, not a Debian one. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816133632.72d7955ab1c21805fb97c...@gmail.com
Re: Anybody know who user-65534 is?
Am 16.08.2014 11:36, schrieb Reco: On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 08:17:50 +0100 Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: I have /usr/sbin/nologin also. This is up-to-date sid with systemd, which may not have the same defaults as previous distributions. Curious. And what shell do they set now for users with uid 100? I've checked more-or-less fresh testing with systemd, and it says to me: # getent passwd nobody nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh Anyway, changing nobody's shell to /bin/sh is worth trying IMO. /usr/sbin/nologin as a shell is the RedHat way, not a Debian one. base-passwd (3.5.30) unstable; urgency=medium [ Colin Watson ] .. * Change the shell of all global static users other than root (which retains /bin/sh) and sync (as /bin/sync is rather harmless) to /usr/sbin/nologin (closes: #274229; LP: #216813, #248844). ... -- Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org Tue, 07 Jan 2014 15:41:06 + -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Anybody know who user-65534 is?
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:51:28 +0200 Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: base-passwd (3.5.30) unstable; urgency=medium [ Colin Watson ] .. * Change the shell of all global static users other than root (which retains /bin/sh) and sync (as /bin/sync is rather harmless) to /usr/sbin/nologin (closes: #274229; LP: #216813, #248844). ... -- Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org Tue, 07 Jan 2014 15:41:06 + And testing still has base-passwd 3.5.28. My mistake then. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816142056.e05cbc3afe6bf7ca9d449...@gmail.com
Re: Anybody know who user-65534 is?
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: Am 16.08.2014 11:36, schrieb Reco: On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 08:17:50 +0100 Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: I have /usr/sbin/nologin also. This is up-to-date sid with systemd, which may not have the same defaults as previous distributions. Curious. And what shell do they set now for users with uid 100? I've checked more-or-less fresh testing with systemd, and it says to me: # getent passwd nobody nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh Anyway, changing nobody's shell to /bin/sh is worth trying IMO. /usr/sbin/nologin as a shell is the RedHat way, not a Debian one. base-passwd (3.5.30) unstable; urgency=medium [ Colin Watson ] .. * Change the shell of all global static users other than root (which retains /bin/sh) and sync (as /bin/sync is rather harmless) to /usr/sbin/nologin (closes: #274229; LP: #216813, #248844). ... -- Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org Tue, 07 Jan 2014 15:41:06 + https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%22%2Fusr%2Fsbin%2Fnologin+%28closes%3A+%23274229%3B+LP%3A+%23216813%2C+%23248844%29.%22 in particular, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581899 -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAAr43iPksYozA9HeA85j=ub4xundbhand4zjdqxx1qr6odq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Re: Anybody know who user-65534 is?
I.m starting to get the picture but we have moved away from what I think was the prime motive for this trhead to be started. User 65534 is causing a frustrating 90 - 120 second delay during shutdown. That's 6 to 9 hrs a year! Can this delay be eliminated? After all it did not used to happen before systemd was implemented. Cheers to all David --- Sent from a computer.
Re: Anybody know who user-65534 is?
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 08:17:50 +0100 Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: I have /usr/sbin/nologin also. This is up-to-date sid with systemd, which may not have the same defaults as previous distributions. Curious. And what shell do they set now for users with uid 100? I've checked more-or-less fresh testing with systemd, and it says to me: # getent passwd nobody nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh Up-to-date Wheezy: nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh nogroup:x:65534: also sshd:x:108:65534::/var/run/sshd:/usr/sbin/nologin Anyway, changing nobody's shell to /bin/sh is worth trying IMO. /usr/sbin/nologin as a shell is the RedHat way, not a Debian one. Reco You might compare with grep false /etc/passwd -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caar43iobspf_nank9crk1-b8p6otrrg6jgv81x723rkig-l...@mail.gmail.com
Jessie won't install
Hi, Jessie (last testing version) does not want to install in a VM. It just get stucked at select and install software with installation failed you can skip it and choose something else if you want. Anybody had the same issue and solved it ? Thank you, -- “One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.” “Le vrai n'est pas plus sûr que le probable.” Diogene Laerce signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Jessie won't install
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 02:24:53PM +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote: Jessie (last testing version) does not want to install in a VM. It just get stucked If it regards Jessie, probably debian-testing [1] is a better place where to post it. [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816124710.ga25...@x60s.casa
Re: Anybody know who user-65534 is?
david writes: User 65534 is causing a frustrating 90 - 120 second delay during shutdown. Some process that happens to be running as nobody is failing to exit when instructed to do so. Systemd is waiting patiently for 90 seconds before sending it a kill -9. You need to either find that process and fix it or change that timeout to a smaller value. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87ha1cha76@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Anybody know who user-65534 is?
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:59:24 +0200 david davce...@keyworld.net wrote: Can this delay be eliminated? After all it did not used to happen before systemd was implemented. OP is running Sid. So there are problems with stability in the unstable version of Debian... and? ... Oh well. ps -u 65534 will show any random processes that 'nobody' may be running. Then poke around /etc/systemd and /lib/systemd for a bit. Explore the newness. Smell the fresh code smell... and enjoy... --Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816085328.ec91c44bb571b36916c62...@1024bits.com
Re: Render lag/delay on Testing
Jonas Lippuner wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Debian users, Ever since the xserver on Debian Testing was upgraded to 1.16 (and after the issue with the lacking Nvidia driver was fixed), I've been having rendering issues. Sometimes (it randomly comes and goes), some windows or content of windows experience a big delay (seconds) with being redrawn or updated with new information. Often the window would just sit there unchanged until I move the mouse a bit or resize the window to force it to redraw. Other times, the effect of a keyboard command, say A, is not shown until the next keyboard command, say B, but then the effect of A is shown while the effect of B only becomes visible after yet another command. Here is a concrete example: I open www.google.com in Iceweasel. I press F6 to highlight the text in the address bar, but nothing appears to happen. If I now start typing, I will actually type in the address bar, but the window did not redraw to show that the address bar is highlighted. So the command was correctly registered, but the window was not redrawn to show this. If instead of typing something I press F6 again, then the focus moves to the Google search box in the background (and if I now started typing, I would type in the search box), but the window is now redrawn showing the address bar highlighted, so the window is updated with the previous state that is now no longer valid. This is extremely annoying and I have not been able to determine why/how this is happening or how to fix it. I was also not successful at finding any info online about other people experiencing the same issue. I have the xserver 1.16, the proprietary nvidia-driver 340.24 package, xfce4 (4.10.1) and lightdm (1.10.1). I don't even know in which of these packages the bug is... Is anybody else experience such rendering problems or does anybody have any idea what might be going on? Well, I run Sid but the same xserver and nvidia-driver 340.24 from upstream and I notice none of those problems so I doubt it is those 2. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lsnrer$ggs$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Gnome for jessie
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT), Stephen L. Novak wrote: I'm only submitting that I would vote to see gnome as the default interface for jessie too. Also, I would vote change the default highlighter for some of the default menus in the new Xfce to a brighter color. Thanks for all the work on Wheezy. My main objection to GNOME as the default desktop environment is that it *requires* 3D graphics acceleration from the X driver, something which is not available from all drivers. (For example, the mach64 driver which I am using right now as I compose this e-mail does not have 3D graphics acceleration.) XFCE does not have this requirement. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/363467242.342706.1408201210341.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Re: Anybody know who user-65534 is?
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 7:59 PM, david davce...@keyworld.net wrote:
I.m starting to get the picture but we have moved away from what I think was
the prime motive for this trhead to be started.
User 65534 is causing a frustrating 90 - 120 second delay during shutdown.
That's 6 to 9 hrs a year!
Can this delay be eliminated? After all it did not used to happen before
systemd was implemented.
Is there no message about a process that won't die gracefully, or
something similar, in the logs?
If not, the following may help:
--pfind.c--
//* findps.c,
// a QD program to repeatedly look for something in the output of ps wwaux.
// Written by and copyright Joel Rees, Amagasaki, Japan, August 2014.
//
// Permission to use granted if the following three conditions are all met:
// Don't try to steal my copyrights.
// Don't blame me if it gets stuck or goes boom.
// Do use it for good purposes, by your definition of good.
*/
#include stdio.h
#include stdlib.h
#include string.h
#include unistd.h
/*
# Compile it like this:
cc -Wall -o findps findps.c
# --
# Test it like this:
./findps nobody
# --
# Install it something like this:
chmod o-rwx findps
sudo cp -i findps /usr/local/bin/
sudo chown root:root /usr/local/bin/findps
sudo touch /var/log/foundps.log
# To catch the culprit running as nobody
# and holding up your shutdown processes,
# call it in your shutdown script something like this:
findps nobody 100 /var/log/foundps.log
# See also
man ps
# and look for where to find the numeric process id.
# If it gets out of control,
# getting another terminal session should help. Then
man kill
# Also, the return key and
# ctrl-s
# may be useful. But
# ctrl-z
# might not be so useful. But
man bg
# anyway. Or, I mean,
man sh
# and remember to search with the / command:
# /bg
# /job
# and so forth.
# An equivalent shell script, without parameter checks, etc. might
look like this:
#
#! /bin/bash
lim=$2
for (( ct = 0; ct lim; ++ct )) ; do ps wwaux | grep $1; sleep 1; done
#
*/
#define BIGCOMMANDSZ 1024
int main( int argc, char * argv[] )
{
char cmdbuff[ BIGCOMMANDSZ + 1];
int limit = 10; /* Maximum times through the loop. */
if ( argc 2 )
{fprintf( stderr, Usage: %s search-term [limit-count]\n,
argv[ 0 ] );
fprintf( stderr, \tDefault limit count is %d\n, limit );
return EXIT_FAILURE;
}
if ( argc 2 )
{limit = (int) strtol( argv[ 2 ], NULL, 10 );
}
cmdbuff[ BIGCOMMANDSZ ] = '\0';
strncpy( cmdbuff, ps wwaux | grep , BIGCOMMANDSZ );
strncat( cmdbuff, argv[ 1 ], BIGCOMMANDSZ );
for ( ;limit 0; --limit )
{system( cmdbuff );
sleep( 1 );/* So it doesn't run away too fast. */
}
return EXIT_SUCCESS;
}
--
I'm sure I could do that in a shell script if I took the time to
refresh my memory.
--
Joel Rees
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Look first in your own heart.
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Re: FW: hp server hardware monitoring
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 09:30:24PM +, Bonno Bloksma wrote: [...] My apologies, I forgot that you need a newer version of cciss_vol_status than present in Squeeze/Wheezy. For that I had imported 1.10-1 into our local repository, which works just fine without any adjustments / backporting. Where did you get de the 1.10-1 version of cciss-vol-stat as a Debian package if not from the backports? I just looked and it is not in the Debian wheezy-backports. Did you compile and build it yourself? I took the version which was present at that time in Jessie/Sid. This version didn't need any adjustment / backporting to work in Wheezy. The version currently present in Jessie/Sid requires a newer libc6 than can be fulfilled in Wheezy, so I'd now recommend snapshot.debian.org to retreive a suitable version. HTH, Flo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816152901.gl20...@fernst.no-ip.org
Busybox: compile statically?
Hi all How to compile busybox in static mode, adding some utility different from the usual, -dd, cat, other,... -, example, partimage, with all the dependencies, compress it, and install on a usb stick? Thanks Regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/BC40D1D611714922A5A8D4E09B7A2278@rx
Re: Gnome for jessie
On 16/08/14 11:00 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT), Stephen L. Novak wrote: I'm only submitting that I would vote to see gnome as the default interface for jessie too. Also, I would vote change the default highlighter for some of the default menus in the new Xfce to a brighter color. Thanks for all the work on Wheezy. My main objection to GNOME as the default desktop environment is that it *requires* 3D graphics acceleration from the X driver, something which is not available from all drivers. (For example, the mach64 driver which I am using right now as I compose this e-mail does not have 3D graphics acceleration.) XFCE does not have this requirement. I've never been a fan of Gnome although this stems mainly from my preference for Konqueror and Dolphin as file managers. They both have options that I find very helpful, like actually listing the files you are about to delete instead of just telling you how many have been selected. It's a toss up as to which very useful programs integrate better with what desktop. Most modern hardware can run either Gnome or KDE while older hardware needs a lighter-weight alternative. I still have hardware like that and have to use it regularly. The installer, to my way of thinking, should either go with the most popular choice or give you the choice of desktop environments as part of the install process. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ef86c7.1080...@torfree.net
Re: Gnome for jessie
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT), Stephen L. Novak wrote: I'm only submitting that I would vote to see gnome as the default interface for jessie too. Also, I would vote change the default highlighter for some of the default menus in the new Xfce to a brighter color. Thanks for all the work on Wheezy. My main objection to GNOME as the default desktop environment is that it *requires* 3D graphics acceleration from the X driver, something which is not available from all drivers. (For example, the mach64 driver which I am using right now as I compose this e-mail does not have 3D graphics acceleration.) Eeeeu, get it offa me! I thought the purpose of a wm/de was to let the user run, arrange, view and interact with his programs. Why someone would require the complexity of 3d graphics to accomplish this is beyond me. XFCE does not have this requirement. Neither, I hope, do the rest of them. I regularly use Xfce, LXDE, Openbox, and even dwm, and sure hope none of them are doing 3d stuff I have no use for. I'd want 3d if I were operating a sculpting program or a 3d printer. Operating a desktop environment, not so much. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816124923.76cd6...@mydesq2.domain.cxm
make apt-get install $PKG work like gentoo?
I've never used gentoo sorry. I'm wondering if apt-get install could be set up to compile from source and install that (sort of automatically), rather than install the binary? Due to admining a number of machines for a small non profit human rights association (and a few personal boxen for myself and others), and problems sometimes with internet connectivity, I use debmirror to maintain a local debian package mirror, and I add in source packages too. There are the buildd, and perhaps more apropos debomatic, and I'm wondering if anyone has used these to do something like gentoo for their debian install, or if that's a bit beyond reasonable? Where (as in my case) there are at least three different machine types, if I wanted to minimize build times, I would need to create locally compiled package pools for each machine type. In which case why not use the binary packages? Well, why use gentoo? I'm guessing optimizing package builds for your specific machine type(s). And something that seems even more appealing to me is an apt-get source resulting in a git repo, and then upgrade for that package becomes just git pull; recompile, rebuild debian package; install - the git pull for a Linux kernel upgrade for example, is much smaller than downloading source and binary packages, and provides a full source archive - having been a programmer, this seems quite appealing. Why not use gentoo? Well, I like debian. In fact, I have used Debian for so many years, the particular configurations and directory etc choices are well ingrained for me. I just want more. I'm imagining the debian developers feeding their debianizations to their packages, to us users, via git (or their vcs of choice say hg or whatever), rather than via the package distribution system per se, even if local installations go through a locally built binary package. TIA Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSTT7ZCJFxdC1Gq0j2=grjymqk2jrptxxsteht5ogxv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Gnome for jessie
On 16/08/14 18:28, Gary Dale wrote: I've never been a fan of Gnome although this stems mainly from my preference for Konqueror and Dolphin as file managers. They both have options that I find very helpful, like actually listing the files you are about to delete instead of just telling you how many have been selected. It's a toss up as to which very useful programs integrate better with what desktop. Most modern hardware can run either Gnome or KDE while older hardware needs a lighter-weight alternative. I still have hardware like that and have to use it regularly. The installer, to my way of thinking, should either go with the most popular choice or give you the choice of desktop environments as part of the install process. I'm fully in agreement, and am also a KDE adherent. However, I think Gnome spit is the most popular DE, which is probably why the installer selects it by default. Which, in turn makes it the most popular sigh. Anyway, I think the installer should offer *all* the DEs. -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Ariège, France | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ef8e74.1010...@vanderhoff.org
Re: Gnome for jessie
Am 16.08.2014 17:00, schrieb Stephen Powell: On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT), Stephen L. Novak wrote: I'm only submitting that I would vote to see gnome as the default interface for jessie too. Also, I would vote change the default highlighter for some of the default menus in the new Xfce to a brighter color. Thanks for all the work on Wheezy. My main objection to GNOME as the default desktop environment is that it *requires* 3D graphics acceleration from the X driver, Not quite true. On graphics hardware which doesn't provide 3D acceleration, gnome-shell falls back to use llvmpipe, which provides software-rendering on most hardware. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: make apt-get install $PKG work like gentoo?
Hi. On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 03:00:59 +1000 Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: I'm wondering if apt-get install could be set up to compile from source and install that (sort of automatically), rather than install the binary? apt-get, to my best knowledge, can not be used for this. There's tool called apt-build, which can do most of the things you describe. And something that seems even more appealing to me is an apt-get source resulting in a git repo, and then upgrade for that package becomes just git pull; recompile, rebuild debian package; install - the git pull for a Linux kernel upgrade for example, is much smaller than downloading source and binary packages, and provides a full source archive - having been a programmer, this seems quite appealing. You need to take build-dependencies into the account, as you can not rebuild the source without them. I'll be more like 'apt-get update apt-get upgrade' for build-depends and only then git pull; recompile, rebuild debian package; install. And even for the Debian stable build-depends' updates come annoyingly frequently these days :) I tried to use apt-build, and it kinda worked, but it wasn't pretty sight. Build-dependencies ate huge amounts of disk space, build times were painfully large (compiling stock Wheezy kernel on QNAP takes about 1.5 days, for example). So I said to myself 'screw it', took Core i7 desktop, made a couple of chroots on it and is building everything there since then. Maintaining a local repository with pre-built binary packages is much less hassle IMO. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816212500.8b143a5fbb824128d492a...@gmail.com
Re: Gnome for jessie
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:03:54 -0400 (EDT), Michael Biebl wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:00:10 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: My main objection to GNOME as the default desktop environment is that it *requires* 3D graphics acceleration from the X driver, ... Not quite true. On graphics hardware which doesn't provide 3D acceleration, gnome-shell falls back to use llvmpipe, which provides software-rendering on most hardware. Apparently, this is a new development. I used GNOME when it was the default at GNOME 2. Then, when GNOME 3 first came out, it required 3D acceleration, but had a fallback mode for hardware that didn't support it. I continued to use GNOME 3 in fallback mode. Then, at some point, they eliminated fallback mode; and my desktop became totally unusable. At that point, I switched from GNOME to XFCE; and I haven't tried GNOME again since, even when using hardware that supports 3D acceleration. *Requiring* 3D for a DE, whether from the hardware or via software emulation, is a bad idea, IMO. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2135522563.343971.1408210136537.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Gnome for jessie
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:49:23 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT), Stephen L. Novak wrote: I'm only submitting that I would vote to see gnome as the default interface for jessie too. Also, I would vote change the default highlighter for some of the default menus in the new Xfce to a brighter color. Thanks for all the work on Wheezy. My main objection to GNOME as the default desktop environment is that it *requires* 3D graphics acceleration from the X driver, something which is not available from all drivers. (For example, the mach64 driver which I am using right now as I compose this e-mail does not have 3D graphics acceleration.) Eeeeu, get it offa me! I thought the purpose of a wm/de was to let the user run, arrange, view and interact with his programs. Why someone would require the complexity of 3d graphics to accomplish this is beyond me. XFCE does not have this requirement. Neither, I hope, do the rest of them. I regularly use Xfce, LXDE, Openbox, and even dwm, and sure hope none of them are doing 3d stuff I have no use for. I'd want 3d if I were operating a sculpting program or a 3d printer. Operating a desktop environment, not so much. It's not so much 3D as in applications, as in rendering the user interface, so that various tile effects were easier. I had a whinge about this at the time of the switch in sid, not so much about the requirement, as about the fact that after giving me this message: Unfortunately Gnome3 failed to start properly and started in fall back mode. This most likely means your system (graphics hardware or driver) is not capable of delivering the full Gnome 3 experience. it dropped me into a brand-new, empty Gnome Fallback interface, with no sign of my various custom panels and menus. There was no prior warning of this behaviour. The use of the word 'experience' didn't help, nor the rather patronising statement on the Gnome site about why they weren't going to support 'legacy' hardware. In fact, it turned out later that my video hardware and driver did have acceleration, it just wasn't turned on by default, and I had to poke around with the nearly-extinct xorg.conf to enable it. I even had a play with Gnome 3 (gnome-shell, to be accurate) but it seemed to need so many extra clicks/keystrokes to switch windows and do other common tasks that I gave up after a few days, and set off down the LXDE/Xfce path. https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/FAQ This is somewhat less patronising, but still uses phrases such as We want to take responsibility for your experience and GNOME Shell is designed to fit your lifestyle which suggests that they've been reading too many Microsoft press releases. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816183454.595e7...@jresid.jretrading.com
Re: Gnome for jessie
On 16/08/14 17:49, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: My main objection to GNOME as the default desktop environment is that it *requires* 3D graphics acceleration from the X driver, something which is not available from all drivers. (For example, the mach64 driver which I am using right now as I compose this e-mail does not have 3D graphics acceleration.) Eeeeu, get it offa me! I thought the purpose of a wm/de was to let the user run, arrange, view and interact with his programs. Why someone would require the complexity of 3d graphics to accomplish this is beyond me. The task draw this set of possibly-overlapping rectangles full of pixels, some of which may be partially or wholly transparent, in front of one big background rectangle looks an awful lot like the task draw this set of textured rectangles at different z-depths in an orthographic viewport. Modern graphics cards are *very good* at drawing textured rectangles at different z-depths in an orthographic viewport (in fact, they're better at it than the CPU is at drawing possibly-overlapping rectangles full of pixels, some of which may be partially or wholly transparent, in front of one big background rectangle), making it actually a perfectly viable strategy for a window manager to use. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ef9293.5050...@zen.co.uk
Re: Gnome for jessie
Enlightenment is actually a very nice DE with reasonable hardware requirements. It'd be nice to have it as an option in the installer. On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:03:54 -0400 (EDT), Michael Biebl wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:00:10 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: My main objection to GNOME as the default desktop environment is that it *requires* 3D graphics acceleration from the X driver, ... Not quite true. On graphics hardware which doesn't provide 3D acceleration, gnome-shell falls back to use llvmpipe, which provides software-rendering on most hardware. Apparently, this is a new development. I used GNOME when it was the default at GNOME 2. Then, when GNOME 3 first came out, it required 3D acceleration, but had a fallback mode for hardware that didn't support it. I continued to use GNOME 3 in fallback mode. Then, at some point, they eliminated fallback mode; and my desktop became totally unusable. At that point, I switched from GNOME to XFCE; and I haven't tried GNOME again since, even when using hardware that supports 3D acceleration. *Requiring* 3D for a DE, whether from the hardware or via software emulation, is a bad idea, IMO. -- John Holland jholl...@vin-dit.org gpg public key ID 0x9551CF2D signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Gnome for jessie
On Sat 16 Aug 2014 at 19:01:40 +0200, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 16/08/14 18:28, Gary Dale wrote: The installer, to my way of thinking, should either go with the most popular choice or give you the choice of desktop environments as part of the install process. I'm fully in agreement, and am also a KDE adherent. The installer already offers four DEs as a choice. Your preference is amongst them. However, I think Gnome spit is the most popular DE, which is probably why the installer selects it by default. Which, in turn makes it the most popular sigh. Anyway, I think the installer should offer *all* the DEs. And all mail servers? And all printing systems? And all ssh servers? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/16082014195050.e507e24d9...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Gnome for jessie
On Sat 16 Aug 2014 at 14:14:01 -0400, John Holland wrote: Enlightenment is actually a very nice DE with reasonable hardware requirements. It'd be nice to have it as an option in the installer. fvwm is wonderful, but not likely to make it into d-i. Back in 1996 it was a default (on Red Hat at least). How times change. Here's an idea: Why not give users a choice (if they want it) after they have installed the OS? Or even before? Installation of a desktop environment shouldn't be obligatory. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/16082014201626.5db80db25...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Gnome for jessie
On Saturday 16 August 2014 18:01:40 Tony van der Hoff wrote: Anyway, I think the installer should offer *all* the DEs. *All*, including Mate and Cinnamon and Trinity and Unity, in addition to Gnome, KDE, LXDE, Xfce, and . etc. ?? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201408162126.09894.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Gnome for jessie
On Saturday 16 August 2014 19:14:01 John Holland wrote: Enlightenment is actually a very nice DE with reasonable hardware requirements. It'd be nice to have it as an option in the installer. Sorry, I left that one out. It was in the etc.! I knew that I had not got a complete list. But the only way that they could please everybody is by having all the possible desktops. I'd like Trinity! Meanwhile, I'd settle for TDE in the official repositories - and sadly it isn't yet. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201408162131.48556.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Gnome for jessie
On Saturday 16 August 2014 20:24:31 Brian wrote: On Sat 16 Aug 2014 at 14:14:01 -0400, John Holland wrote: Enlightenment is actually a very nice DE with reasonable hardware requirements. It'd be nice to have it as an option in the installer. fvwm is wonderful, but not likely to make it into d-i. Back in 1996 it was a default (on Red Hat at least). How times change. Here's an idea: Why not give users a choice (if they want it) after they have installed the OS? Or even before? Installation of a desktop environment shouldn't be obligatory. It isn't. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201408162132.23312.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Gnome for jessie
On 16/08/14 02:56 PM, Brian wrote: On Sat 16 Aug 2014 at 19:01:40 +0200, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 16/08/14 18:28, Gary Dale wrote: The installer, to my way of thinking, should either go with the most popular choice or give you the choice of desktop environments as part of the install process. I'm fully in agreement, and am also a KDE adherent. The installer already offers four DEs as a choice. Your preference is amongst them. That's in the advanced install, isn't it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53efccbf.3070...@torfree.net
Re: Gnome for jessie
On Sat 16 Aug 2014 at 17:27:27 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 16/08/14 02:56 PM, Brian wrote: On Sat 16 Aug 2014 at 19:01:40 +0200, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 16/08/14 18:28, Gary Dale wrote: The installer, to my way of thinking, should either go with the most popular choice or give you the choice of desktop environments as part of the install process. I'm fully in agreement, and am also a KDE adherent. The installer already offers four DEs as a choice. Your preference is amongst them. That's in the advanced install, isn't it? Yes. It fits in with choice during the install.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/16082014224639.3b77a8fcf...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Anybody know who user-65534 is?
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:39:03 +0100 Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: This is a can of worms, and I hereby abandon it. OK, I lied. I was bored... A little further on... journald *has* been keeping persistent journals, but with different user permissions, now root:systemd-journal 640. journalctl still shows entries up to August 3rd, but journalctl --user shows all entries to date. If I change the permissions of the files back to 755, this behaviour stays the same, except that I no longer need to be a group member of systemd-journal, as expected. Something changed on August 3rd, and I think it was the switch to systemd at pid 1. The cloned system had systemd at pid 1 from the beginning, or at least as soon as systemd was installed. That system shows all entries with just journalctl, it doesn't need --user. I've persuaded journalctl to show me the logs for user 65534 (journalctl -u user-65534.slice as root) and they give little away. Beyond doubt, this is the 90-second culprit, but it still isn't clear why. Aug 16 00:02:02 jresid systemd[26220]: pam_unix(systemd-user:session): session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) Aug 16 00:02:03 jresid systemd[26220]: pam_ck_connector(systemd-user:session): cannot determine display-device Aug 16 00:02:03 jresid systemd[2913]: Stopping Default. Aug 16 00:02:03 jresid systemd[2913]: Stopped target Default. Aug 16 00:02:03 jresid systemd[2913]: Starting Shutdown. Aug 16 00:02:03 jresid systemd[2913]: Reached target Shutdown. Aug 16 00:02:03 jresid systemd[2913]: Starting Exit the Session... Aug 16 00:02:03 jresid systemd[2913]: systemd-exit.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=200/CHDIR Aug 16 00:02:03 jresid systemd[2913]: Failed to start Exit the Session. Aug 16 00:02:03 jresid systemd[2913]: Dependency failed for Exit the Session. Aug 16 00:02:03 jresid systemd[2913]: Unit systemd-exit.service entered failed state. Aug 16 00:03:33 jresid systemd[1]: Stopping user-65534.slice. Aug 16 00:03:33 jresid systemd[1]: Removed slice user-65534.slice. -- Reboot -- What I need to know now is what dependency is failing. How do I find out? Here is systemd-exit.service: # This file is part of systemd. # # systemd is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it # under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License as published by # the Free Software Foundation; either version 2.1 of the License, or # (at your option) any later version. [Unit] Description=Exit the Session Documentation=man:systemd.special(7) DefaultDependencies=no Requires=shutdown.target After=shutdown.target [Service] Type=oneshot ExecStart=/bin/kill -s 58 $MANAGERPID Target shutdown had run, and /bin/kill exists. What other dependency might there be? If the relevant PID wasn't found, would this cause a 'dependency' fault? -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816225448.143d9...@jretrading.com
Re: Gnome for jessie
On Sat 16 Aug 2014 at 21:32:23 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 16 August 2014 20:24:31 Brian wrote: On Sat 16 Aug 2014 at 14:14:01 -0400, John Holland wrote: Enlightenment is actually a very nice DE with reasonable hardware requirements. It'd be nice to have it as an option in the installer. fvwm is wonderful, but not likely to make it into d-i. Back in 1996 it was a default (on Red Hat at least). How times change. Here's an idea: Why not give users a choice (if they want it) after they have installed the OS? Or even before? Installation of a desktop environment shouldn't be obligatory. It isn't. Do you mean that you can actually install what you want either before or after installing Debian. But that would mean you don't get to moan about GNOME if you have to think about what you are doing. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/16082014225136.ce32569aa...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Gnome for jessie
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:57:17 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Sat 16 Aug 2014 at 21:32:23 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 16 August 2014 20:24:31 Brian wrote: On Sat 16 Aug 2014 at 14:14:01 -0400, John Holland wrote: Enlightenment is actually a very nice DE with reasonable hardware requirements. It'd be nice to have it as an option in the installer. fvwm is wonderful, but not likely to make it into d-i. Back in 1996 it was a default (on Red Hat at least). How times change. Here's an idea: Why not give users a choice (if they want it) after they have installed the OS? Or even before? Installation of a desktop environment shouldn't be obligatory. It isn't. Do you mean that you can actually install what you want either before or after installing Debian. But that would mean you don't get to moan about GNOME if you have to think about what you are doing. :) So Lisi's ironometer is turned off today. And we *always* get to moan about Gnome, it's in the contract. More seriously, if you 'improve' your product to attract new customers, it's always well to try not to alienate your existing ones. Microsoft seems to be very slow to learn that lesson, but they very quickly 'adjusted' Windows 8 to be usable by people for whom podgy-finger-on-smeared-screen didn't cut the mustard. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816231558.424dc...@jretrading.com
Re: Anybody know who user-65534 is?
Am 16.08.2014 23:54, schrieb Joe: Aug 16 00:02:03 jresid systemd[2913]: systemd-exit.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=200/CHDIR Aug 16 00:02:03 jresid systemd[2913]: Failed to start Exit the Session. Apparently that service failed with exit code 200 / CHDIR. src/core/execute.c [1] indicates that this might be due to failing to change the working directory. As the home directory for user nobody is set to /nonexistent (which suprisingly is nonexistent), that might explain the above error. It doesn't explain though, why you have processes under user nobody or why they are not killed on shutdown. [1] http://sources.debian.net/src/systemd/208-7/src/core/execute.c/?hl=1384#L1384 -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Gnome for jessie
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 21:32:23 +0100 Lisi Reisz sent: Here's an idea: Why not give users a choice (if they want it) after they have installed the OS? Or even before? Installation of a desktop environment shouldn't be obligatory. It isn't. Lisi That's also what I thought? But I assume this thread is pertaining to the person who installs the software through the installer. Rather than just a bare bones Debian without any GUI that will boot. Then through CLI just install the software you want as you need/want it? Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** Only one who bursts with enthusiasm Do I instruct; Only one who bubbles with excitement Do I enlighten. If I hold up one corner and you do not Come back with the other three, I do not continue the lesson. Confucius *** Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140817083354.33df2144@taogypsy.wildlife
Re: New 64-bit Install: Wine
What wine packages do you have installed? wine wine64 wine32:i386 Tried that. I do not know about the firefox setup but no .exe's I had around would take. I also go rid of the ~/.wine. Wine-cfg also barked. Just to be sure you have a clean environment, you might want to try creating a new user and try it as that user. Otherwise, I don't know what the problem is. I'm running an up to date Jessie, by the way. I doesn't know if your problem is already solved, or if you are still struggling. If you still have a problem, please tell us which version of Debian and wine you use. Because when you install both architectures (wine64-development:amd64 and wine32-development:i368) on a 64-bit Debian sid version. Wine will always run a 32 bit prefix. I had to change the wine-development script in /usr/bin/ to run a 64-bit Windows executable. floris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/op.xkpi0ezo5k9...@jessica.jkfloris.demon.nl
Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER
On 20140814_1035-0400, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: In English, both 'stop job' and 'stopped job' are an adjective modifying a noun. The noun in both cases is 'job'. 'stop job' is a noun phrase expressing a type of job, and must be some kind of geeky usage. OTOH, the noun phrase 'stopped job' is a job that is not progressing, or not running. But in this context, 'job' must itself have a geeky, technical jargon meaning. I don't understand why you've got a bee under your bonnet because of the stop job phrase! Stop in stop job isn't an adjective, it's a noun (or an attributive noun) just like office in office chair. I wasn't aware of the existence of the term 'attributive noun' until you used it. It wasn't taught in my H.S. English class in 1949. At least, I don't remember it being taught. Google gives several descriptions of what it means that boil down to 'a noun that can be used as an adjective,' or 'a noun that is being used as an adjective.' I haven't yet understood why the distinction between 'attributive noun' and 'adjective' is important. Is it yet another independent part of speech? Distinct from both 'noun' and 'adjective'? But honestly, I don't think I would understand an explanation. English is a very irregular language, and rules of grammar are an attempt at regularity, which contradicts the spirit of the language. Best regards, -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140816224746.ga3...@big.lan.gnu
post install postinstall
Op 2014-08-14 om 12:15 schreef Paul van der Vlis:
op 13-08-14 18:55, Geert Stappers schreef:
Op 2014-08-13 om 18:02 schreef Paul van der Vlis:
op 13-08-14 13:14, Geert Stappers schreef:
knip/
In de post install staat bij 'configure'
unset DISPLAY # No GUI launched from postinst please
dropbox update || true
echo Please restart all running instances of Nautilus, or you
will expe rience problems. i.e. nautilus --quit
Waar vind je die post install ?
Onderaan vorige e-mail in deze thread.
Inmiddels https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-dutch/2014/08/msg1.html
Je hebt helemaal gelijk, maar ik bedoelde in het filesysteem.
Daarin staat een debian package een ar bestand is,
en dat je m.b.v. `ar x` een extract kunt doen.
Ah, je hebt het uitgepakt. Ik dacht dat je het geïnstalleerd had, en dat
de post install dan ook ergens te vinden was. Daar was ik wel
nieuwsgierig naar.
In de directory /var/lib/dpkg/info en dan ${PACKAGE_NAME}.postinst.
Groeten
Geert Stappers
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