Re: Problem with /var/mail file > 2GB with pop3

[deloptes]

Flo wrote:

> I installed dovecot but it didn't really work. Actually only with one
> specific account, the one which produces this big mbox file. And I
> couldn't figure out the reason.
> 
> So I recompiled popa3d and it seems to work now.

Anyway - consider migrating from the mbox format to something else.

Re: Configuring my Epson L360 printer in Debian 10, gnome

[Weaver]

On 21-11-2020 16:11, Edgar Villanueva Jr wrote:
> I've tried to follow the instructions and recommended guide before but
> it didn't work.

Open Printing has hesitantly placed it in the `paperweight' category.
And Epson doesn't appear to produce a driver for it.

https://www.openprinting.org/printer/Epson/Epson-L360

https://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/

-- 
`This is Unix.
It gives you enough rope to hang yourself'.
-- Miguel Van Smoorenburg

Re: Problem on configuration of Epson L360 printer in Debian 10 gnome

[Weaver]

On 21-11-2020 15:59, Edgar Villanueva Jr wrote:
> I've followed the recommended guide until I arrived at the Epson L364
> (driver) preconfigured but when I print, the output is different.

Please define `different'.
Cheers!

Harry Weaver

-- 
`This is Unix.
It gives you enough rope to hang yourself'.
-- Miguel Van Smoorenburg

Configuring my Epson L360 printer in Debian 10, gnome

[Edgar Villanueva Jr]

I've tried to follow the instructions and recommended guide before but it
didn't work.

Thanks 

Problem on configuration of Epson L360 printer in Debian 10 gnome

[Edgar Villanueva Jr]

I've followed the recommended guide until I arrived at the Epson L364
(driver) preconfigured but when I print, the output is different.

I hope you could help me with this!
Thanks 

Re: Réduire la verbosité de cron

[steve]

Le 20-11-2020, à 08:56:50 +0100, Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY a écrit :




- Remplacer le "@include common-session-noninteractive" par le contenu
du fichier



Qu'est-ce que ça apporterait ?


Le but est de ne modifier que la configuration PAM de cron, pas de
modifier d'autres choses comme sudo ou systemd-user.  Si tu supprimes la
ligne "session required pam_unix.so" du fichier
common-session-noninteractive, tu vas impacter tous les programmes qui
l'incluent.  Remplacer le @include par le contenu du fichier te permet
de supprimer la ligne juste pour cron.


Ok, merci pour l'explication.


- puis supprimer la ligne "session required pam_unix.so"



C'est pas un truc à se faire locked out ?


A partir du moment ou tu ne modifies que ce qui est specifique a cron,
tu ne peux avoir d'impact que sur cron.

N'hesite pas a te documenter sur PAM.


C'est ce que j'ai fait et j'ai trouvé cet ancienne entrée sur le BTS:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=293272#36

J'ai appliqué, on va voir ce que ça donne.

Merci

Re: 780 files in /usr/share/zoneinfo/

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 9:18 PM John Hasler  wrote:

> Mike writes:
> > Of the 780 files in /usr/share/zoneinfo/ America/Chicago and CST6CDT
> > are the only two that might apply to me. Are the rest of any use to me
> > at all?  If so how?
>
> Do you ever need to convert the time and date in some distant time zone
> to your local time or vice versa?  The "date" command can do that for
> you using that database.
>
> Also, the database is updated (even in Stable) when jurisdictions make
> changes such as moving the start and end dates for daylight savings
> time.
>
> It's tiny and useful.  leave it alone.
>

 I concur.  And it's only going to get more useful with each update as the
world's time gets more complicated.  Especially if you happen to be in the
northwestern US, where half of the Boise and Portland metro areas will now
be off the other half by an hour half the year...

Re: 780 files in /usr/share/zoneinfo/

[John Hasler]

Mike writes:
> Of the 780 files in /usr/share/zoneinfo/ America/Chicago and CST6CDT
> are the only two that might apply to me. Are the rest of any use to me
> at all?  If so how?

Do you ever need to convert the time and date in some distant time zone
to your local time or vice versa?  The "date" command can do that for
you using that database.

Also, the database is updated (even in Stable) when jurisdictions make
changes such as moving the start and end dates for daylight savings
time.

It's tiny and useful.  leave it alone.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: 780 files in /usr/share/zoneinfo/

[Andy Smith]

Hi Mike,

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 02:30:08AM +, mike.junk...@att.net wrote:
> Of the 780 files in /usr/share/zoneinfo/ America/Chicago and
> CST6CDT are the only two that might apply to me. Are the rest of
> any use to me at all? If so how? And, yes, I understand that they
> need to be supplied for every zone in the world initially but am
> curious if there is any use for them after one's own time zone is
> set.

It's the Olson database, needed for any application that will want
to know the time in another time zone, or parse such.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database

The files are tiny. It's not worth removing them IMHO. It's 3½MiB of
space on my system.

Cheers,
Andy

780 files in /usr/share/zoneinfo/

[mike . junk . 46]

Of the 780 files in /usr/share/zoneinfo/ America/Chicago and CST6CDT are the 
only two that might apply to me. Are the rest of any use to me at all? If so 
how? And, yes, I understand that they need to be supplied for every zone in the 
world initially but am curious if there is any use for them after one's own 
time zone is set.
Thanks,
Mike

Re: Problem with /var/mail file > 2GB with pop3

[황병희]

Dear Flo,

Flo  writes:

> Hi All,
>
> I am using Debian Buster, Thunderbird, Sendmail and popa3d to get emails.
>
> The mail files for each account are stored at /var/mail. No it has
> come to that point that such a file exceeded 2GB. And 'Get Messages'
> doesn't work anymore.
>
> Does anyone know about this issue? Any hints to solve it? I could try
> a different pop3 server?
>
> Any help is appreciated.

sorry man off-topic... so clever persons use Gmane for mailing
lists. and personal emails get by Google Apps or Gmail that have very
big file system for email messages.

Sincerely, off-topic man Byung-Hee

-- 
^고맙습니다 _和合團結_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: How to write in Chinese

[황병희]

Markos  writes:

> Please,
>
> I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms in
> Debian 9.
>
> ...
> Any tip?

Another comment: i would like to recommand "Google Noto CJK" as font.

Sincerely, CJK user Byung-Hee

-- 
^고맙습니다 _和合團結_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: Problem with /var/mail file > 2GB with pop3

[Flo]

On 11/19/20 11:23 PM, Andy Smith wrote:

Hello,

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:42:53PM +0100, Flo wrote:

The mail files for each account are stored at /var/mail. No it has come to
that point that such a file exceeded 2GB. And 'Get Messages' doesn't work
anymore.

Does anyone know about this issue? Any hints to solve it? I could try a
different pop3 server?


I have no experience with popa3d but if it supports Maildir instead
of mbox format then you could start storing users' mails in Maildir
format. Maildir's one file per message approach usually provides
better performance, though you do end up with a lot of metadata
activity on the filesystem.



I don't think it can deal with the Maildir format. Thank you for sharing 
this idea.

Flo

Re: Problem with /var/mail file > 2GB with pop3

[Flo]

On 11/19/20 11:47 PM, Ulf Volmer wrote:

On 19.11.20 22:42, Flo wrote:


I am using Debian Buster, Thunderbird, Sendmail and popa3d to get emails.

The mail files for each account are stored at /var/mail. No it has come
to that point that such a file exceeded 2GB. And 'Get Messages' doesn't
work anymore.


This limit is defined in the source of popa3d.



Thank you, that was a good hint.


ulf@deb10-p330:~/popa3d$ grep -r "#define MAX_MAILBOX_OPEN_BYTES" *
debian/README.Debian:#define MAX_MAILBOX_OPEN_BYTES  2
popa3d-1.0.3/params.h:#define MAX_MAILBOX_OPEN_BYTES   2147483647

I guess you have to recompile the package to change this.
But please consult README.Debian before.

Or (in my opinion the better solution) swicth to dovecot.



I installed dovecot but it didn't really work. Actually only with one 
specific account, the one which produces this big mbox file. And I 
couldn't figure out the reason.


So I recompiled popa3d and it seems to work now.

Thanks a lot.
Flo


Best regards
Ulf

Re: Installing Debian 10 from flash drive [NO network]

[Brian]

On Fri 20 Nov 2020 at 17:22:33 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 07:43:02AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I've copied (using dd) the .iso of Debian 10's DVD1 to a USB flash drive.
> > 
> > I have no problem doing a normal install.
> > The problem occurs when attempting to install additional packages.
> > 
> > I receive a message to insert the appropriate DVD.
> > There is *NO* DVD drive.
> > 
> > I've see instructions for appropriately mounting the flash drive.
> > They are now lost due to a disk crash.
> > How is it done?
> > TIA
> > 
> > 
> This has the potential to come up again and again :)

[...]

As in

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/05/msg01463.html

The thread (containing a solution) continues into June 2019.

-- 

Re: Xorg tourne à 100 % du CPU ("ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_CREATE...

[Jérôme]

Le Fri, 20 Nov 2020 13:28:58 +0100,
Stephane Bortzmeyer  a écrit :

> Une idée ?

Peut-être essayer mettre a jour le firmware chez intel ?

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/fr/product/80939/Solution-graphique

Re: [HS] Frais résiliation FAI Box

[Jérôme]

Le Fri, 20 Nov 2020 20:19:03 +0100,
ajh-valmer  a écrit :

> Bonsoir,
> 
> Lorsque son contrat FAI Box est arrivé à terme,
> et que l'on désire changer de FAI,
> doit-on payer des frais de résiliation ?
> 
> Je suis passé de SFR à Free, et SFR me réclame 49€,
> alors que le contrat est terminé, et que j'ai renvoyé
> tout le matériel.
> 
> Je n'ai jamais signé de contrat car je ne l'ai jamais reçu,
> malgré moults demandes.
> 
> J'ai cherché sur internet, les infos sont contradictoires,
> certains disent oui, d'autres non, d'où ma demande.
> 
> Merci d'avance.
> 
> a. Valmer

La résiliation ça dépend effectivement des contrats, je n'ai
pas suivi l'actualité réglementaire et de la commission des clauses abusive,
mais s'il y a eu des irrégularités à l'établissement du contrat je
t'encouragerais à te rapprocher d'une société de consommateur ou un
conseiller juridique.

Re: [HS] Frais résiliation FAI Box

[ajh-valmer]

On Friday 20 November 2020 20:22:39 Cyrille wrote:
> Essaie de contacter free, si tu es nouveau client, ils peuvent faire un
> geste commercial et prendre à leur charge les frais. 
> (à mon époque c'était ainsi, chez orange ils le font encore (un
> commercial a essayé de me récupérer et me l'a proposé))
> Tu ne risques rien à essayer.

Ok, merci,
mais ces frais de résiliation sont-ils légaux ?
car le contrat est terminé.

Aussi, je n'ai reçu, ni signé aucun contrat,
sauf oralement par le n° tél client de SFR.

Bonne fin de soirée.

> Lorsque son contrat FAI Box est arrivé à terme,
> et que l'on désire changer de FAI,
> doit-on payer des frais de résiliation ?
> Je suis passé de SFR à Free, et SFR me réclame 49€,
> alors que le contrat est terminé, et que j'ai renvoyé
> tout le matériel.
> Je n'ai jamais signé de contrat car je ne l'ai jamais reçu,
> malgré moults demandes.

Re: Problem on installing software in Debian 10 gnome

[Dan Ritter]

Edgar Villanueva Jr wrote: 
> Good day!
> I've encountered a Problem when I'm installing gdebi and other software
> from the software center. It always says that "no application data found"
> how can I solve this problem?

Open a terminal window.

Type:

sudo apt update

Answer the password prompt.

If there are no errors, you are probably good. If there are
errors, let us know.

-dsr-

Re: Installing Debian 10 from flash drive [NO network]

[Brian]

On Fri 20 Nov 2020 at 17:59:38 +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > I've copied (using dd) the .iso of Debian 10's DVD1 to a USB flash drive.
> 
> > I attempted to install gparted using Synaptic.
> > The message received was:
> > "Please insert the disk labeled:
> >  Debian GNU/Linux10.0.0_Buster_-Official amd64 DVD
> 
> If i search "gparted" by
>   https://cdimage-search.debian.org/
> it says
> 
>   ...
>   3. gparted_0.32.0-2_amd64.deb appears in:
> ...
> debian-10.6.0-amd64-DVD-1 (list.gz | jigdo | iso)
> 
> So it is supposed to be on the USB flash drive.

gparted is "supposed to be on DVD-1"? It is actually and truly on DVD-1.
I know it is on DVD-1: you know it is on DVD-1; everyone knows it is on
DVD-1; the experienced OP can check it is on DVD-1.

What's the problem? sources.list? Maybe. Whatever it is, he has been on
this jag for long enough to sort it out.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Xorg tourne à 100 % du CPU ("ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_CREATE...

[BERTRAND Joël]

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Hash: SHA512

Étienne Mollier a écrit :
> Bonjour Stéphane,
> 
> Stephane Bortzmeyer, on 2020-11-20 13:28:58 +0100:
>> Soit une machine Debian "desktop" en 10.6 buster.
>> 
>> De temps en temps, le serveur X ne répond plus à rien (ni
>> souris, ni clavier). En se connectant depuis une autre machine,
>> on voit qu'il tourne à 100 % du CPU et strace montre qu'il boucle
>> sur :
>> 
>> ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_BUSY, 0xbfcc8724) = 0 ioctl(13, 
>> DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_EXECBUFFER2, 0xbfcc878c) = 0 ioctl(13, 
>> DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_BUSY, 0xbfcc878c) = 0 ioctl(13, 
>> DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_CREATE, 0xbfcc877c) = 0 ioctl(13, 
>> DRM_IOCTL_GEM_CLOSE, 0xbfcc86f4) = 0 ioctl(13, 
>> DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_BUSY, 0xbfcc8724) = 0 ioctl(13, 
>> DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_EXECBUFFER2, 0xbfcc878c) = 0 ioctl(13, 
>> DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_BUSY, 0xbfcc878c) = 0 ioctl(13, 
>> DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_CREATE, 0xbfcc877c) = 0 ioctl(13, 
>> DRM_IOCTL_GEM_CLOSE, 0xbfcc86f4) = 0 ...
>> 
>> Une idée ?
> 
> Je n'ai pas franchement d'idées pour l'instant.  Le résultat le 
> plus proche que j'ai pu trouver en rapport avec des ioctl i915 GEM 
> est une fiche CVE qui concerne initialement Linux 4.15 pour 
> Ubuntu:
> 
> https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-12881
> 
> Quelques questions en vrac:
> 
> - Est-ce que du côté du noyau, via `dmesg`, les modules i915 ou
> drm renvoient des erreurs lors de ce genre de panne ? - Est-ce que
> les versions antérieures du noyau de Buster ont déjà provoqué ce
> genre de symptômes ?
> 
> Si c'est le cas, alors le problème se situerait du côté de Linux ; 
> sinon adresser un rapport de bogue auprès du paquet 
> "xserver-xorg-video-intel" me semblerait être un bon point de 
> départ.
> 
> Est-ce que démarrer la machine avec l'option "nomodeset" peut 
> stabiliser le serveur X ?  L'idée est de mettre la partie DRM hors 
> circuit, mais au prix de sacrifier l'accélération graphique.  Ce 
> n'est pas idéal, mais ça peut permettre de travailler le temps 
> dépanner.  Et si la panne se reproduit dans cette configuration, 
> alors ça pourra être intéressant de voir comment évoluent les 
> appels système fournis par `strace`.

Bonsoir,

Je ne vais pas aider beaucoup, mais j'ai un vague souvenir d'avoir eu
la même chose il y a très longtemps. Une pluie d'interruptions mal
traitées en provenance de l'économiseur d'écran. Voir si ça ne
pourrait pas être le même genre de gag : un programme particulier qui
monopolise le serveur X en le bourrant d'interruptions. Dans mon cas,
c'était aussi une video intel (i7-4470 de mémoire).

Pour la correction, pour ma part, c'était un serveur, ça s'est soldé
avec un retrait de X.

Que dit un simple top ?

JKB
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Re: Xorg tourne à 100 % du CPU ("ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_CREATE...

[BERTRAND Joël]

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Étienne Mollier a écrit :

Bonsoir,

Je ne vais pas aider beaucoup, mais j'ai un vague souvenir d'avoir eu
la même chose il y a très longtemps. Une pluie d'interruptions mal
traitées en provenance de l'économiseur d'écran. Voir si ça ne
pourrait pas être le même genre de gag : un programme particulier qui
monopolise le serveur X en le bourrant d'interruptions. Dans mon cas,
c'était aussi une video intel (i7-4470 de mémoire).

Pour la correction, pour ma part, c'était un serveur, ça s'est soldé
avec un retrait de X.

Que dit un simple top ?

JKB
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Problem on installing software in Debian 10 gnome

[Edgar Villanueva Jr]

Good day!
I've encountered a Problem when I'm installing gdebi and other software
from the software center. It always says that "no application data found"
how can I solve this problem?

Thanks

Re: Xorg tourne à 100 % du CPU ("ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_CREATE...

[Étienne Mollier]

Bonjour Stéphane,

Stephane Bortzmeyer, on 2020-11-20 13:28:58 +0100:
> Soit une machine Debian "desktop" en 10.6 buster.
> 
> De temps en temps, le serveur X ne répond plus à rien (ni souris, ni
> clavier). En se connectant depuis une autre machine, on voit qu'il
> tourne à 100 % du CPU et strace montre qu'il boucle sur :
> 
> ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_BUSY, 0xbfcc8724) = 0
> ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_EXECBUFFER2, 0xbfcc878c) = 0
> ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_BUSY, 0xbfcc878c) = 0
> ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_CREATE, 0xbfcc877c) = 0
> ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_GEM_CLOSE, 0xbfcc86f4) = 0
> ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_BUSY, 0xbfcc8724) = 0
> ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_EXECBUFFER2, 0xbfcc878c) = 0
> ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_BUSY, 0xbfcc878c) = 0
> ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_CREATE, 0xbfcc877c) = 0
> ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_GEM_CLOSE, 0xbfcc86f4) = 0
> ...
> 
> Une idée ?

Je n'ai pas franchement d'idées pour l'instant.  Le résultat le
plus proche que j'ai pu trouver en rapport avec des ioctl i915
GEM est une fiche CVE qui concerne initialement Linux 4.15 pour
Ubuntu:

https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-12881

Quelques questions en vrac:

  - Est-ce que du côté du noyau, via `dmesg`, les modules i915
ou drm renvoient des erreurs lors de ce genre de panne ?
  - Est-ce que les versions antérieures du noyau de Buster ont
déjà provoqué ce genre de symptômes ?

Si c'est le cas, alors le problème se situerait du côté de
Linux ; sinon adresser un rapport de bogue auprès du paquet
"xserver-xorg-video-intel" me semblerait être un bon point de
départ.

Est-ce que démarrer la machine avec l'option "nomodeset" peut
stabiliser le serveur X ?  L'idée est de mettre la partie DRM
hors circuit, mais au prix de sacrifier l'accélération
graphique.  Ce n'est pas idéal, mais ça peut permettre de
travailler le temps dépanner.  Et si la panne se reproduit dans
cette configuration, alors ça pourra être intéressant de voir
comment évoluent les appels système fournis par `strace`.

Bonne soirée,
-- 
Étienne Mollier 
Fingerprint:  8f91 b227 c7d6 f2b1 948c  8236 793c f67e 8f0d 11da
Sent from /dev/pts/1, please excuse my verbosity.


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Re: [HS] Frais résiliation FAI Box

[Cyrille]

Bonsoir
Essaie de contacter free, si tu es nouveau client, ils peuvent faire un
geste commercial et prendre à leur charge les frais. 
(à mon époque c'était ainsi, chez orange ils le font encore (un
commercial a essayé de me récupérer et me l'a proposé))
Tu ne risques rien à essayer.

Bon courage

[HS] Frais résiliation FAI Box

[ajh-valmer]

Bonsoir,

Lorsque son contrat FAI Box est arrivé à terme,
et que l'on désire changer de FAI,
doit-on payer des frais de résiliation ?

Je suis passé de SFR à Free, et SFR me réclame 49€,
alors que le contrat est terminé, et que j'ai renvoyé
tout le matériel.

Je n'ai jamais signé de contrat car je ne l'ai jamais reçu,
malgré moults demandes.

J'ai cherché sur internet, les infos sont contradictoires,
certains disent oui, d'autres non, d'où ma demande.

Merci d'avance.

a. Valmer

[SOLVED] Re: live-boot doesn't detect internal SSD

[Felmon Davis]

top-posting - sorry but quick: just by fortune found the solution an 
hour after posting!



you boot into BIOS, no AHCI, but then you hit "Control S" and it 
magically appears!


reboot, and there's the SSD!

I sat on this for hours. wrong search string.

fjd


On Fri, 20 Nov 2020, Felmon Davis wrote:


greets!

been looking around for a solution without avail. Acer Swift 3 SF313-52.

tried X-buntu, MX-Linux and another distro. gparted, fdisk and their 
partition managers only show the usb so no install is possible.


---

the BIOS and controls in Windows 10 are pretty stripped down.

I tried to make progress by turning off secure boot but all that id was to 
grey out the switches in BIOS which allow UEFI to select partitions and 
drives.


in Windows Fast-Boot is off, Norton disabled, Windows Defender toothless.

the Swift 3 has TPM; I cleared that, also tried disabling it.

there is talk of getting AHCI to run but playing with BCEDIT to disable 
SAFEBOOT doesn't generate an option in the BIOS to use AHCI.


I would rather not go the route of wiping the SSD and installing stuff. I am 
willing to allow Windows to be the boot-loader, I just want the freedom to 
install other systems side-by-side.


welcome advice.

fjd




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Felmon Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

fibre problem with Intel 82571EB

[Frank Weißer]

Hi folks!
Situation:
Debian-Edu 10 Server with

eth0 NC(=unused)
00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network 
Connection (rev 02)
Subsystem: Fujitsu Technology Solutions 82566DM-2 Gigabit 
Network Connection

Kernel driver in use: e1000e

eth1-4
eth1 NC
eth2 NC
eth3 flags=4163  mtu 1500
inet 192.168.0.254  netmask 255.255.255.0
eth4 flags=4163  mtu 1500
inet 10.0.2.2  netmask 255.0.0.0
04:00.1 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82571EB Gigabit Ethernet 
Controller (Fiber) (rev 06)

Subsystem: Intel Corporation PRO/1000 PF Quad Port Server Adapter
Kernel driver in use: e1000e

I can reach tjener via fibre cable and switch and use it with scp, smb 
and so on.

But dhcp, bxe-boot and ltsp-clients don't work.

dhcp requests via
#dhclient eth4
need about 70 seconds to give me an ip. Network manager already gives up 
in that time. Even connecting direct (with a media converter, not using 
other fiber cables or switches) doesn't work.

So cable/switch don't seam to hurt.

How can I tell 82571EB to do its work?

If I switch eth4's address to eth0 (copper) everything works fine. So 
services seem to be running


appreciating any answer

readu
Frank

[Solved] Re: RAID installation at boot questions

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 12:15:47 -0700
Charles Curley  wrote:

> Or (afterthought here) did I give it the wrong UUID?

A week later, I came back to this. It appears I did use the wrong UUID
in /etc/crypttab.

root@hawk:~# ll /dev/disk/by-uuid/
total 0
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 180 Nov 20 10:25 ./
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 140 Nov 20 10:24 ../
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  10 Nov 20 10:40 343ed59e-ae41-4733-8277-f1b77de67479 -> 
../../sda5
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  10 Nov 20 10:36 52be92ca-795f-46ef-9c52-074fceedc53c -> 
../../dm-1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   9 Nov 20 10:41 57de8169-da6c-4952-b6ac-25e6c87dbf1a -> 
../../md0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  10 Nov 20 10:40 85936b4c-4088-4365-9c93-6a7cd8a025c6 -> 
../../sda1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  10 Nov 20 10:36 a3cc28cf-fb2f-4ef5-803e-2fcce7006d05 -> 
../../dm-2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  10 Nov 20 10:36 aef1882d-714d-41da-865e-f5cc161473e6 -> 
../../dm-5
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  10 Nov 20 10:36 e297096c-1336-4f9f-8da0-025da7190d7b -> 
../../dm-3
root@hawk:~# 

A quick experiment shows that this UUID for /dev/md0 is the one that
works. This is also the UUID that gparted shows for /dev/md0.

encryptedRaid UUID=57de8169-da6c-4952-b6ac-25e6c87dbf1a none luks

As previously noted, using the device name also works, with or without
a password file:

encryptedRaid /dev/md0 /root/raid.encrypt.password.txt luks

or

encryptedRaid /dev/md0 none luks


And that leaves the question of whether mdadm has a bug or whether it
is showing some other UUID. Which question I am not going to pursue.


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https://charlescurley.com/blog/

live-boot doesn't detect internal SSD

[Felmon Davis]

greets!

been looking around for a solution without avail. Acer Swift 3 
SF313-52.


tried X-buntu, MX-Linux and another distro. gparted, fdisk and their 
partition managers only show the usb so no install is possible.


---

the BIOS and controls in Windows 10 are pretty stripped down.

I tried to make progress by turning off secure boot but all that id 
was to grey out the switches in BIOS which allow UEFI to select 
partitions and drives.


in Windows Fast-Boot is off, Norton disabled, Windows Defender 
toothless.


the Swift 3 has TPM; I cleared that, also tried disabling it.

there is talk of getting AHCI to run but playing with BCEDIT to 
disable SAFEBOOT doesn't generate an option in the BIOS to use AHCI.


I would rather not go the route of wiping the SSD and installing 
stuff. I am willing to allow Windows to be the boot-loader, I just 
want the freedom to install other systems side-by-side.


welcome advice.

fjd

--
Felmon Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

Re: Installing Debian 10 from flash drive [NO network]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 07:43:02AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I've copied (using dd) the .iso of Debian 10's DVD1 to a USB flash drive.
> 
> I have no problem doing a normal install.
> The problem occurs when attempting to install additional packages.
> 
> I receive a message to insert the appropriate DVD.
> There is *NO* DVD drive.
> 
> I've see instructions for appropriately mounting the flash drive.
> They are now lost due to a disk crash.
> How is it done?
> TIA
> 
> 
This has the potential to come up again and again :) If you _only_ install 
from a DVD and have no network, then the medium is left as the only source in 
/etc/apt/sources.list - the first cdrom line is still there because you have
nothing else.

[I only discovered this doing the last run of CD testing when Steve M. 
happened to tell me why :) ]

You could:

Put the DVD .iso file on disk, loopback mount it and use apt-cdrom

You could download subsequent DVDs and do the same.

Or you can mount the DVD as someone else has suggested and do it that way.
Given no network on the final machine, I'd be most tempted to use a nearby 
mirror and jigdo to make the 16G Jigdo image, dd that onto a stick and
use that.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy C.

Re: Installing Debian 10 from flash drive [NO network]

[Marko Randjelovic]

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 09:35:04 -0600
Richard Owlett  wrote:

> 
> I attempted to install gparted using Synaptic.
> The message received was:
> 
> "Please insert the disk labeled:
> Debian GNU/Linux10.0.0_Buster_-Official amd64 DVD
> Binary-120190706-10:24
> in drive /media/cdrom/"
> 
> What is the solution?

As of my experience, th only solution is this:

Insert the flash.
# mkdir /media/usb0
# mount /dev/sdb /media/usb0 # (replace sdb with device node of your
flash)
# rm /media/cdrom
# ln -s usb0 /media/cdrom
# apt-get update
# apt-get install gparted

Re: Installing Debian 10 from flash drive [NO network]

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I've copied (using dd) the .iso of Debian 10's DVD1 to a USB flash drive.

> I attempted to install gparted using Synaptic.
> The message received was:
> "Please insert the disk labeled:
>  Debian GNU/Linux10.0.0_Buster_-Official amd64 DVD

If i search "gparted" by
  https://cdimage-search.debian.org/
it says

  ...
  3. gparted_0.32.0-2_amd64.deb appears in:
...
debian-10.6.0-amd64-DVD-1 (list.gz | jigdo | iso)

So it is supposed to be on the USB flash drive.
How about writing an entry in
  /etc/apt/sources.list
for the mount point of your USB drive ?

  deb file:...path... buster main

I understand that the path after "file:" should point to the directory with
subdirectories ./dist and ./pool . That would be the root directory of
the mounted ISO on the stick.
Assumed that the USB drive is mounted at /mnt/iso i'd try:

  deb file:/mnt/iso buster main

If all works well, the request for DVD-1 should not appear any more.
A package from a DVD with higher number will pose the problem again.
In this case i would advise one of the ISOs "STICK16GB-1", "BD-1",
"DLBD-1" depending on how much the USB drive can take.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Installing Debian 10 from flash drive [NO network]

[Peter Ehlert]

On 11/20/20 7:35 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 11/20/2020 07:52 AM, Peter Ehlert wrote:

I believe the "request" for a DVD is outdated.
Try inserting your USB device and proceed as normal


I did a completely fresh install to the test machine - including a 
full install of the MATE desktop.


I attempted to install gparted using Synaptic.
The message received was:

"Please insert the disk labeled:
Debian GNU/Linux10.0.0_Buster_-Official amd64 DVD
Binary-120190706-10:24
in drive /media/cdrom/"

What is the solution?

I also use Mate, but usually do net-installs.
I don't have a system installed with the DVD1 ISO handy.
Normally the final steps of the installer deactivates the install media 
in the /etc/apt/sources.list file.

Have a look there... or copy the contents here for review.





*perhaps it should say "insert the install media" or something similar

On 11/20/20 5:43 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
I've copied (using dd) the .iso of Debian 10's DVD1 to a USB flash 
drive.


I have no problem doing a normal install.
The problem occurs when attempting to install additional packages.

I receive a message to insert the appropriate DVD.
There is *NO* DVD drive.

I've see instructions for appropriately mounting the flash drive.
They are now lost due to a disk crash.
How is it done?
TIA

Re: Problems PXE booting a UEFI debian-installer

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Vi, 20 nov 20, 15:15:42, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi Andrei,
> 
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 12:30:49PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Vi, 20 nov 20, 00:56:19, Andy Smith wrote:
> > > 
> > > I have tried both the buster netboot.tar.gz and the daily d-i build
> > > and get the same behaviour with both.
> > > 
> > > I've also read the relevant part of the release notes:
> > > 
> > > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch04s05.en.html
> > > 
> > > and they don't tell me anything different than what I've already
> > > done, either.
> > > 
> > > Any ideas?
> > 
> > Maybe the Installation Guide has more information:
> > 
> > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
> 
> That links to the same place:
> https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch04s05.en.html

Sorry, I was mislead by you referring to the document as "release notes" 
above[1] and didn't bother to check.


[1] which is a different document, see:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


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Re: Installing Debian 10 from flash drive [NO network]

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/20/2020 07:52 AM, Peter Ehlert wrote:

I believe the "request" for a DVD is outdated.
Try inserting your USB device and proceed as normal


I did a completely fresh install to the test machine - including a full 
install of the MATE desktop.


I attempted to install gparted using Synaptic.
The message received was:

"Please insert the disk labeled:
Debian GNU/Linux10.0.0_Buster_-Official amd64 DVD
Binary-120190706-10:24
in drive /media/cdrom/"

What is the solution?




*perhaps it should say "insert the install media" or something similar

On 11/20/20 5:43 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I've copied (using dd) the .iso of Debian 10's DVD1 to a USB flash drive.

I have no problem doing a normal install.
The problem occurs when attempting to install additional packages.

I receive a message to insert the appropriate DVD.
There is *NO* DVD drive.

I've see instructions for appropriately mounting the flash drive.
They are now lost due to a disk crash.
How is it done?
TIA

Re: Problems PXE booting a UEFI debian-installer

[Andy Smith]

Hi Andrei,

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 12:30:49PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 20 nov 20, 00:56:19, Andy Smith wrote:
> > 
> > I have tried both the buster netboot.tar.gz and the daily d-i build
> > and get the same behaviour with both.
> > 
> > I've also read the relevant part of the release notes:
> > 
> > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch04s05.en.html
> > 
> > and they don't tell me anything different than what I've already
> > done, either.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> 
> Maybe the Installation Guide has more information:
> 
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual

That links to the same place:
https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch04s05.en.html

Cheers,
Andy

Re: How to write in Chinese

[tomas]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 10:18:14AM +0100, An Liu wrote:
> HI
> 
> tbf the built-in Chinese input method is painful

You mean those provided by Emacs? You are more qualified to judge
that than me, of course.

Cheers
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Re: Installing Debian 10 from flash drive [NO network]

[Peter Ehlert]

I believe the "request" for a DVD is outdated.
Try inserting your USB device and proceed as normal

*perhaps it should say "insert the install media" or something similar

On 11/20/20 5:43 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I've copied (using dd) the .iso of Debian 10's DVD1 to a USB flash drive.

I have no problem doing a normal install.
The problem occurs when attempting to install additional packages.

I receive a message to insert the appropriate DVD.
There is *NO* DVD drive.

I've see instructions for appropriately mounting the flash drive.
They are now lost due to a disk crash.
How is it done?
TIA

Installing Debian 10 from flash drive [NO network]

[Richard Owlett]

I've copied (using dd) the .iso of Debian 10's DVD1 to a USB flash drive.

I have no problem doing a normal install.
The problem occurs when attempting to install additional packages.

I receive a message to insert the appropriate DVD.
There is *NO* DVD drive.

I've see instructions for appropriately mounting the flash drive.
They are now lost due to a disk crash.
How is it done?
TIA

Re: cups: Empty Basic password

[Brian]

On Thu 19 Nov 2020 at 16:20:25 +0100, Rainer Dorsch wrote:

> The error log entries stops, if I poweroff another Debian system with cups 
> running as a client
> 
> rd@h370:~$ cat /etc/cups/client.conf 
> ServerName 192.168.7.1
> rd@h370:~$

Why not use a more modern printing technique? client.conf is deperecated.
See client.conf(5) and

https://lists.cups.org/pipermail/cups/2015-October/055525.html

-- 
Brian. 

Re: (deb-cat) Intervencio externa sobre actualitzacions del Firefox

[Narcis Garcia]

Si que tenia unattended-upgrades instal·lat i en funcionament.
Provaré si això em resol el «problema»:

$ sudo systemctl disable unattended-upgrades
$ sudo systemctl stop unattended-upgrades

(prefereixo no tenir interrupció en el què faig, i evitar el risc
d'aturar l'ordinador sense saber que s'està actualitzant quelcom)

Gràcies.

Narcis Garcia

__
I'm using this dedicated address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
El 20/11/20 a les 0:12, Alex Muntada ha escrit:
> Hola Narcis
> 
>> De tant en tant (i parlo de menys d'una vegada per setmana),
>> en intentar navegar amb una nova solapa aquesta versió 78.x
>> em diu: «El Firefox s'ha actualitzat en segon pla. Feu clic
>> a «Reinicia el Firefox» per completar l'actualització.»
>>
>> Algú sap com IMPEDIR que el Firefox s'actualitzi sense
>> demanar-ho?
> 
> Aquest missatge surt quan tens el firefox obert i detecta que
> s'han actualitzat els binaris del paquet firefox-esr (amb el
> servei unattended-upgrades o el que utilitzis habitualment per
> mantenir el sistema al dia).
> 
> Justament aquest matí jo l'he actualitzat a mà perquè ahir[1]
> es va publicar una vulnerabilitat:
> 
> $ grep 'upgrade firefox-esr:' /var/log/dpkg.log | tail -1
> 2020-11-19 08:07:29 upgrade firefox-esr:amd64 78.4.1esr-1~deb10u1 
> 78.5.0esr-1~deb10u1
> 
> Salut,
> Alex
> 
>  [1] https://www.debian.org/security/2020/dsa-4793
> 
> --
>   ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
>   ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁   Alex Muntada 
>   ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋   Debian Developer  log.alexm.org
>   ⠈⠳⣄
> 

Xorg tourne à 100 % du CPU ("ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_CREATE...

[Stephane Bortzmeyer]

Soit une machine Debian "desktop" en 10.6 buster.

De temps en temps, le serveur X ne répond plus à rien (ni souris, ni
clavier). En se connectant depuis une autre machine, on voit qu'il
tourne à 100 % du CPU et strace montre qu'il boucle sur :

ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_BUSY, 0xbfcc8724) = 0
ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_EXECBUFFER2, 0xbfcc878c) = 0
ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_BUSY, 0xbfcc878c) = 0
ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_CREATE, 0xbfcc877c) = 0
ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_GEM_CLOSE, 0xbfcc86f4) = 0
ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_BUSY, 0xbfcc8724) = 0
ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_EXECBUFFER2, 0xbfcc878c) = 0
ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_BUSY, 0xbfcc878c) = 0
ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_CREATE, 0xbfcc877c) = 0
ioctl(13, DRM_IOCTL_GEM_CLOSE, 0xbfcc86f4) = 0
...

Une idée ?

X.Org X Server 1.20.4
[ 13632.206] Build Operating System: Linux 4.19.0-10-amd64 i686 Debian
[ 13632.206] Current Operating System: Linux 4.19.0-12-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 
4.19.152-1 (2020-10-18
) i686
[ 13632.206] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-12-686-pae 
root=UUID=1679ed76-c60d-49f8-b9c
2-a05aff7a8a08 ro quiet
[ 13632.206] Build Date: 27 August 2020  08:51:48AM
[ 13632.206] xorg-server 2:1.20.4-1+deb10u1 (https://www.debian.org/support) 

Re: Inestabilidad en Debian?

[Camaleón]

El 2020-11-20 a las 10:44 -, user escribió:

> On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:18:22 +0100, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> > El 2020-11-19 a las 22:46 -, user escribió:
> > 
> >> Me pregunto, si solo a mi me sucede, que Estable, falle con 1 raton
> >> usb, se cuelgue cinnamon, se cuelgue firefox, los log tienen caracteres
> >> extrnos, y etc.
> > 
> > La versión estable no suele fallar con (casi) nada, es una roca.
> 
> Estable estaba funcionando muy bien, pero desde que se colgo Firefox, y 
> tuve que apagarlo con botonazo; todo se jodio!

Seguramente se haya quedado colgado el servidor gráfico, a mí me pasa 
de vez en cuando (sí, con la versión estable) con los productos Mozilla
(Firefox y Thunderbird), que siempre los tengo en ejecución.

Con la combinación de teclas mágicas (REISUB¹) el sistema se reinicia 
sin problemas.

> >> Que no funcione el instalador de testing, despues de hacer una
> >> instalacion correctamente, se traba en "seleccionar e instalar
> >> software".
> > 
> > Eso es más normal, prueba con otra versión del instalador más antigua.
> > 
> 
> Probe con mas vieja y la semanal; ambas fallaban en el mismo punto; 
> cambie de servidor, y fue la misma historia; probare de nuevo en el fin 
> de semana, gracias.

El instalador mejor si está cargado y obteniendo los datos desde una 
llave USB o un DVD (no la mini ISO que tira de Internet) y sin usar el 
entorno gráfico, así evitas muchos problemas.

¹https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón 

Re: Inestabilidad en Debian?

[user]

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:18:22 +0100, Camaleón wrote:

> El 2020-11-19 a las 22:46 -, user escribió:
> 
>> Me pregunto, si solo a mi me sucede, que Estable, falle con 1 raton
>> usb, se cuelgue cinnamon, se cuelgue firefox, los log tienen caracteres
>> extrnos, y etc.
> 
> La versión estable no suele fallar con (casi) nada, es una roca.

Estable estaba funcionando muy bien, pero desde que se colgo Firefox, y 
tuve que apagarlo con botonazo; todo se jodio!


>  
>> Que no funcione el instalador de testing, despues de hacer una
>> instalacion correctamente, se traba en "seleccionar e instalar
>> software".
> 
> Eso es más normal, prueba con otra versión del instalador más antigua.
> 

Probe con mas vieja y la semanal; ambas fallaban en el mismo punto; 
cambie de servidor, y fue la misma historia; probare de nuevo en el fin 
de semana, gracias.
 
>> En caso que solo me suceda a mi, hare una instalacion limpia, pero me
>> gustaria saber si alguien mas tiene algo parecido, por favor.
> 
> Prueba antes con una LiveCD y déjala ejecutándose durante un día
> completo para ver si desempeña correctamente.
> 
> Saludos,

Re: Inestabilidad en Debian?

[user]

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 00:24:49 -0300, Walter Omar Dari wrote:

> Hola...
> 
> El 19/11/20 a las 19:46, user escribió:
>> Hola
>> 
>> Me pregunto, si solo a mi me sucede, que Estable, falle con 1 raton
>> usb, se cuelgue cinnamon, se cuelgue firefox, los log tienen caracteres
>> extrnos, y etc.
>> 
>> Que no funcione el instalador de testing, despues de hacer una
>> instalacion correctamente, se traba en "seleccionar e instalar
>> software".
>> 
>> En caso que solo me suceda a mi, hare una instalacion limpia, pero me
>> gustaria saber si alguien mas tiene algo parecido, por favor.
>> 
>> 
> Entre la semana pasada y ésta, instalé un Buster y Bullseye en una
> portátil y un PC de escritorio sin ningún tipo de problemas.
> 
> Lo que te pasa "suena" a problemas de hardware, capaz que memoria...
> 
> 
> Saludos y suerte !

Gracias por responder:

Son 2 Ordenadores diferentes, el raton falla en estable; asi que instale 
otro linux a la par y el raton funciona correctamente. Pero ahora tengo 
el problema con la swap, "Start job 1.5 minutos", edite el fstab, 
comentando la linea de la swap, y esta mas inestable! Note, que al 
reconectar el raton usb, vuelve a funcionar, en el otro ordenador, 
funciona correctamente.

Alguien sabe como manejar lo del ID Swap?

Gracias.

Re: How to write in Chinese

[didier gaumet]

Le vendredi 20 novembre 2020 à 05:10:06 UTC+1, Markos a écrit :
> Please, 
> 
> I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms in 
> Debian 9. 
> 
> I use Brazilian Portuguese, but I don't want to reconfigure my computer 
> to type only in Chinese. 
> 
> Using LibreOffice or with a specific program to generate the ideograms 
> only when needed. 
> 
> Any tip? 
> 
> Thank you, 
> 
> Markos

Hello Markos,

Lazy way: there are dedicated task-packages to facilitate this:

didier@hp-notebook14:~$ apt search task-chinese
En train de trier... Fait
Recherche en texte intégral... Fait
task-chinese-s/stable,now 3.53 all  [installé]
  Simplified Chinese environment

task-chinese-s-desktop/stable,now 3.53 all  [installé]
  Simplified Chinese desktop

task-chinese-s-kde-desktop/stable 3.53 all
  Simplified Chinese KDE Plasma desktop

task-chinese-t/stable,now 3.53 all  [installé]
  Traditional Chinese environment

task-chinese-t-desktop/stable,now 3.53 all  [installé]
  Traditional Chinese desktop

task-chinese-t-kde-desktop/stable 3.53 all
  Traditional Chinese KDE Plasma desktop

So, just install what you need (simplified or traditional, in console, KDE or 
another Desktop Environment or Window Manager) , explore the menus of your X 
environment to find the GUI tool that permit you to set-up how/when you want to 
type chinese, and you are done :-)

Re: Problems PXE booting a UEFI debian-installer

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Vi, 20 nov 20, 00:56:19, Andy Smith wrote:
> 
> I have tried both the buster netboot.tar.gz and the daily d-i build
> and get the same behaviour with both.
> 
> I've also read the relevant part of the release notes:
> 
> https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch04s05.en.html
> 
> and they don't tell me anything different than what I've already
> done, either.
> 
> Any ideas?

Maybe the Installation Guide has more information:

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


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Re: How to write in Chinese

[An Liu]

HI

tbf the built-in Chinese input method is painful

i used to use ibus.el in emacs（but it is dead i think）
l

some minor problems i have
1. unless locale is set to Zh_CN.UTF-8 i cant type chinese under X，no
problem in Term though
i need to start emacs instant with LANG=zh_CN.utf8 emacs in bash if i dont
want to set system locale
2. Ctrl-Space （or Win-Space） might be  conflict with input methods
change，make marks harder （use Ctrl-@）as alt
3. Latex is a little little but complex as you need CJK PACKAGE to make it
work


FYI



On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 09:43  wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 08:13:54AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> > Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY wrote:
> >
> > > GNU Emacs comes with
> >
> > did someone asked about Emacs and I missed it?
> > The Emacs religion followers never sleep :)
>
> In a way, Fabrice is right: Emacs would solve one thorny
> problem, that of the input method, which X leaves to a bunch
> of strange and opinionated plugins. No idea how the Wayland
> story is, in this department. Possibly you'll have to put
> up with whatever Gnome or KDE have come up (gulp!) or perhaps
> LibreOffice comes with its own thingy.
>
> Emacs is yet another rabbit hole, but this one is at least
> a bit closer than LaTeX: it offers a working fontset management
> and an outstanding collection of input methods (I count 25
> variants for Chinese in my Emacs instance, take that ;-P
>
> Cheers
>  - t
>
-- 
Liu An

Re: How to write in Chinese

[tomas]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 08:13:54AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY wrote:
> 
> > GNU Emacs comes with
> 
> did someone asked about Emacs and I missed it?
> The Emacs religion followers never sleep :)

In a way, Fabrice is right: Emacs would solve one thorny
problem, that of the input method, which X leaves to a bunch
of strange and opinionated plugins. No idea how the Wayland
story is, in this department. Possibly you'll have to put
up with whatever Gnome or KDE have come up (gulp!) or perhaps
LibreOffice comes with its own thingy.

Emacs is yet another rabbit hole, but this one is at least
a bit closer than LaTeX: it offers a working fontset management
and an outstanding collection of input methods (I count 25
variants for Chinese in my Emacs instance, take that ;-P

Cheers
 - t 


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Re: How to write in Chinese

[tomas]

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 09:00:01PM -0800, Weaver wrote:
> On 20-11-2020 13:04, Markos wrote:
> > Please,
> > 
> > I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms in 
> > Debian 9.
> > 
> > I use Brazilian Portuguese, but I don't want to reconfigure my
> > computer to type only in Chinese.

No need to. GNU/Linux is decidedly multilingual :-)

> It could well be worth your while to get on top of LaTeX, through the
> Texmaker editor or similar.

I'm a big fan of LaTeX myself, but I fear this advise will send
the original poster down the wrong rabbit hole. Note how Markos
asked for tips on *typing* Chinese, not on *typesetting* Chinese?

And how he hinted at his familiarity with LibreOffice?

So I think what he needs is a suitable input method and suitable
display (and later perhaps print) fonts.

He'll need that anyway should he ever decide to go with LaTeX:
somehow the texts have to first go in :-)

Cheers
 - t


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Re: Conseils pour le développement sur Debian d'applications natives Windows/Linux

[Olivier]

@Etienne:
Gcab est effectivement intéressant à connaître.
Merci beaucoup pour ce lien.

Le ven. 20 nov. 2020 à 08:14, Étienne Mollier 
a écrit :

> Bonjour Olivier,
>
> Olivier, on 2020-11-19 16:11:32 +0100:
> > 2. Un point très important pour moi est, par contre, si c'est possible de
> > pouvoir empaqueter depuis Linux/Debian l'application Windows et son
> > installateur sans utiliser Windows.
> > (Plusieurs outils comme Kivy annonce la possibilité de développer pour
> > plusieurs plateformes, mais si j'ai bien compris, il faut empaqueter sur
> la
> > même plateforme que la cible).
>
> Je ne suis absolument pas versé dans le domaine de la
> distribution de programmes pour Windows, mais en faisant une
> petite recherche dans les paquets de Debian Sid, je suis tombé
> sur "gcab".  L'outil est mis à disposition via la collection des
> "msitools" :
>
> https://wiki.gnome.org/msitools
>
> | msitools plans to be a solution for packaging and deployment
> | of cross-compiled Windows applications.
>
> C'est un collection de programmes pour empaqueter et déployer
> des utilitaires cross-compilés à destination de Windows.
> J'ignore ce que ça vaut en pratique, mais à la description, ça
> me semblait correspondre à votre cahier des charges.
>
> Quant à tester l'installateur, je suppose que wine ferait
> l'affaire dans un premier temps.  Mais à terme, je pense qu'il
> faudrait au moins faire un test sur une machine Windows native,
> juste pour s'assurer qu'une coquille n'est pas passée entre les
> mailles du filet.
>
> Bonne journée,
> --
> Étienne Mollier 
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> Sent from /dev/pts/3, please excuse my verbosity.
>