Re: Current best practices for system configuration management?
Mike Castle wrote: > and so on, it is time to explore solutions. I only have four systems > at the moment (two physical and two virtual), so I don't think I need > something too fancy. > > My first thought was to simply add a `Files:` section to *.control > files I use for my metapackages. After all, for configs going into > *.d directories, they are usually easy to just drop in and remove, no > editing in place required. But, that is when I discovered that all > files under `/etc` are treated specially. > > I've found a lot of documentation out there, but, of course, much of > it is out of date. https://wiki.debian.org/ConfigPackages , for > example, seems to recommend slightly old to really old tools. Tools > like `ansible`, `puppet` and so on seem, at first blush, aimed at > larger installations than mine. But maybe other's experience with > them will show they scale down fine? > > Anyway, suggestions based upon actually experience would be appreciated. Chef or Puppet are good, but probably not worth the bother for 4-5 systems. Definitely worthwhile for 10+ systems, and scalable to thousands. https://cinc.sh is producing a fully open release of Chef (with the new name, Cinc is not chef). I use Chef at work. The easy end of single-machine is etckeeper, which just checks your /etc (and whatever else you specify) into a local git. The high end of single machine is Nix, which has a complete language designed to capture the complete configuration of a system (and has spawned NixOS, a complete distribution). The easy end of multi-machine systems is cdist and itamae. You might be quite happy with those, and itamae is reputedly very Chef-like. -dsr-
Current best practices for system configuration management?
For a while now, I've been using `equivs-build` for maintaining a hierarchy of metapackages to control what is installed on my various machines. Generally, I can do `apt install mrc-$(hostname -s)` and I'm golden. Now, I would like to expand that into also setting up various config files that I currently do manually, for example, the `/etc/apt/*` configs I need to make the above work. For a single set of files, manual isn't bad, but as I want to get into setting up LDAP, autofs, and so on, it is time to explore solutions. I only have four systems at the moment (two physical and two virtual), so I don't think I need something too fancy. My first thought was to simply add a `Files:` section to *.control files I use for my metapackages. After all, for configs going into *.d directories, they are usually easy to just drop in and remove, no editing in place required. But, that is when I discovered that all files under `/etc` are treated specially. I've found a lot of documentation out there, but, of course, much of it is out of date. https://wiki.debian.org/ConfigPackages , for example, seems to recommend slightly old to really old tools. Tools like `ansible`, `puppet` and so on seem, at first blush, aimed at larger installations than mine. But maybe other's experience with them will show they scale down fine? Anyway, suggestions based upon actually experience would be appreciated. Cheers, mrc
minor change to apt-mirror
two possible changes to apt-mirror if bash is available make that the default shell restrict the program so that it is only run as the apt-mirror user i forgot and ran it as root once and had to chown everything
Re: clavier console
Le 18/04/2024 à 14:45, Erwann Le Bras a écrit : Le 18/04/2024 à 13:53, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit : P.S. autre surprise pour moi la session Kde ouverte se trouve en F2 dans le temps elle était en F7 Ça fait quelques versions que ça a changé. Pas tant que ça, j'ai toujours l'environnement graphique (LXDE) sur "F7" en Debian Stable Erwann +1 -- Michel Mounier N 44°55'37" E 004°53'51" "Arion IV" N 44°02'23" E 001°06'45" arionavigue.legtux.org
Re: Actualización automática de cambios en los archivos
El 18/4/24 a las 7:56, Camaleón escribió: El 2024-04-17 a las 21:30 +0200, jordi Perera escribió: On 17-04-2024 19:15, Camaleón wrote: El 2024-04-17 a las 12:14 +0200, jordi Perera escribió: Hola Jordi, gracias por contestar. On 16-04-2024 16:15, Camaleón wrote: Hola, Pregunta de tanteo... ¿Qué biblioteca / aplicación /sistema / método tenéis instalado /usáis en Debian para que la información de los archivos locales/remotos en red (p. ej., la hora de modificación)) se actualice automáticamente? En mi sistema no lo hace, seguramente porque hago instalaciones del sistema sin activar los paquetes recomendados y/o sugeridos, pero esta funcionalidad me temo que es importante, aunque sólo se a afectos visuales, pero la verdad es que me descoloca ver que he modificado un archivo y que Thunar no actualice la fecha/hora automáticamente. En principio veo que está inotify-tools pero no sé si hay alguna otra opción más :-? Uso XFCE como entorno de escritorio y XFS como sistema de archivos. sm01@stt008:~$ dpkg -l | grep -i notify ii libnotify4:amd64 0.7.9-3 amd64sends desktop notifications to a notification daemon ii python3-notify20.3-4 all desktop notifications API for Python 3 ii xfce4-notifyd 0.6.2-1 amd64simple, visually-appealing notification daemon for Xfc sm01@stt008:~$ cat /etc/fstab | grep xfs UUID=cb799a4f-6015-44ee-83d2-f2492713c4dc / xfs defaults 0 0 Esto es lo que tengo yo jordi@tele:~/0_dades$ dpkg -l | grep notify ii gir1.2-notify-0.7:amd64 0.8.1-1 amd64sends desktop notifications to a notification daemon (Introspection files) ii libkf5notifyconfig-data 5.103.0-1 all Configuration system for KNotify. ii libkf5notifyconfig5:amd64 5.103.0-1 amd64 Configuration system for KNotify. ii libnotify-bin 0.8.1-1 amd64sends desktop notifications to a notification daemon (Utilities) ii libnotify4:amd64 0.8.1-1 amd64sends desktop notifications to a notification daemon ii vlc-plugin-notify:amd64 1:3.0.20-dmo0+deb12u2amd64 LibNotify plugin for VLC ii xfce4-notifyd 0.7.3-1 amd64 simple, visually-appealing notification daemon for Xfce Al revisar la lista de paquetes que tienes instalados, y aunque veo que usas KDE, únicamente identifico dos que podrían generar alguna diferencia (gir1.2-notify-* y libnotify-bin) pero no me termina de quedar claro. Al buscar por las funcionalidades de esos paquetes, me he encontrado con este bug de Thunar (gestor de archivos de XFCE), que es bastate rciente (de hace 3 meses) por lo que me da la impresión de que el problema lo genera la aplicación, no la carencia de algún paquete como pensaba al principio: File modification does not update the modification timestamp https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/-/issues/1271 Gracias por enviarme la lista, me has dado una buena pista :-) Bueno, de hecho yo trabajo con xfce, pero si que tengo algunas utilidades de kde. Antes de responderte, he hecho pruebas con ficheros en local y nfs y con el Thunar y el Dolphin. Siempre se ha mostrado inmediatamente los cambios en los accesos y las modificaciones de los ficheros Hummm... entonces quizá se trate de un problema de la versión de Thunar que tengo instalada (en mi sistema principal uso Debian 11). En testing Thunar funciona correctamente (actualiza automáticamente los cambios en los archivos) y en los paquetes de testing aparece instalado girl1.2-notify: testing@netbook:~/Escritorio$ dpkg -l | grep -i notify ii gir1.2-notify-0.7:amd64 0.8.3-1 amd64 sends desktop notifications to a notification daemon (Introspection files) ii libnotify4:amd64 0.8.3-1 amd64sends desktop notifications to a notification daemon ii python3-notify2 0.3-5 all desktop notifications API for Python 3 ii xfce4-notifyd 0.9.3-2 amd64simple, visually-appealing notification daemon for Xfce Voy a indagar un poco más a ver si se trata de la versión antigua de Thunar (Debian 11 lleva la 4.16.8, Debian tetsing lleva la 4.18.8) la que me da problemas o que falta algún paquete. Gracias, iré actualizando el hilo con novedades. Saludos, Hola Tengo Debian 12 Por curiosidad de un novato. A mi me sale esto: :~$ dpkg -l | grep notify ii gir1.2-notify-0.7:amd64 0.8.1-1 amd64 sends desktop notifications to a notification daemon (Introspection files) ii libkf5notifyconfig-data 5.103.0-1
Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared
On 4/18/24 09:46, Gareth Evans wrote: On Thu 18/04/2024 at 11:05, David Christensen wrote: Move aside the ~/.config/xfce4 directory: ... Restart -- screen with wallpaper alone. ... Hi David, Starting from Mate DE only and some old (bookworm) XFCE config files, if I: $ sudo apt install task-xfce-desktop then log out and into XFCE, I get an XFCE desktop with wallpaper, desktop icons, panel, main menu, launchers, window buttons, notification area. Then I: $ mv ~/.config/xfce4 ~/.config/xfce4.old then logout and into XFCE again, I get wallpaper, desktop icons, panel, main menu, window buttons, notification area, but only non-functional launcher placeholder icons. $ diff ~/.config/xfce4 ~/.config/xfce4.old Common subdirectories: /home/user/.config/xfce4/desktop and /home/user/.config/xfce4.old/desktop Only in /home/user/.config/xfce4.old: panel } Only in /home/user/.config/xfce4.old: src } <-- these are subdirectories Only in /home/user/.config/xfce4.old: terminal} Common subdirectories: /home/user/.config/xfce4/xfconf and /home/user/.config/xfce4.old/xfconf Common subdirectories: /home/user/.config/xfce4/xfwm4 and /home/user/.config/xfce4.old/xfwm4 $ (though there probably wasn't much there to start with) I'm not sure what would cause this difference in behaviour (though wonder if this might suggest more amiss with your XFCE installation) and I will watch this thread with interest. Also I just "rediscovered" that reinstalling task-xfce-desktop doesn't reinstall those packages which it brings in in the first place, though I'm sure you knew that :) Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Thanks for the suggestions. We have more information now. :-) David
Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared
On 4/18/24 07:28, Max Nikulin wrote: On 18/04/2024 17:05, David Christensen wrote: $ mv .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/ .config/xfce4 Restart -- back to Xfce panel with no Network Manager. Try to create a new system user and log in. Is nm-applet present? Logging in using another previously working account produces the same result -- Xfce Panel displays Notification Plugin (bell icon), but no Network Manager icon. Creating a new account and logging in produces the same result. David
Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared
On 4/18/24 05:34, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 4/18/24 05:27, David Christensen wrote: On 4/17/24 12:37, Richmond wrote: What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? maybe it doesn't have permission to execute, or the process which starts it doesn't have permission. 2024-04-18 02:24:20 root@laalaa ~ # ls -l `which nm-applet` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 250784 Feb 27 2021 /usr/bin/nm-applet I do not know what binary starts nm-applet, but here is a WAG: 2024-04-18 02:27:13 root@laalaa ~ # ll -l `which xfce4-panel` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 363328 2021-02-27 08:29:44 /usr/bin/xfce4-panel Can PPID tell you? Yes. xfce4-session is the parent of nm-applet: 2024-04-18 10:27:32 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ ps -Ao "%p %P %a" | grep nm-applet 15301379 nm-applet 39373865 grep nm-applet 2024-04-18 10:27:44 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ ps -Ao "%p %P %a" | grep 1379 13791344 xfce4-session 14211379 /usr/bin/ssh-agent x-session-manager 14581379 xfwm4 --display :0.0 --sm-client-id 2d1bdc0a5-06f2-4835-944e-7e402203bd9f 14711379 xfsettingsd --display :0.0 --sm-client-id 29896f657-477c-498a-8156-db9d51f74bcf 14971379 xfce4-panel --display :0.0 --sm-client-id 23fd394e3-a4ee-485b-b43c-38bf845d6699 15011379 xfdesktop --display :0.0 --sm-client-id 2c913de99-acac-4d70-b6e9-8eda44b6f6da 15061379 xfce4-power-manager --restart --sm-client-id 24cebdb39-bdc2-496f-aab0-7b11397b48d3 15131379 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/notifyd/xfce4-notifyd 15151379 light-locker 15161379 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/share/system-config-printer/applet.py 15171379 /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 15241379 xiccd 15301379 nm-applet 39403865 grep 1379 2024-04-18 10:29:20 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ ls -l `which xfce4-session` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 260496 Dec 23 2020 /usr/bin/xfce4-session David
Re: Marking as spam
On 2024-04-18 at 11:53, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On 18/04/2024 12:43, Hans wrote: > >> But the "Sorry" mail I did send without the spam tag. However, I >> get it WITH the spamtag, as all mails get the DCIM=false tag in the >> header (created by the debian servers) and megamailservers.eu add >> the SPAM tag. > > Or you could use a less shitty mail service, because failed DKIM (I > assume that's what you mean by DCIM=false) does not mean that an > email is a spam. Good luck convincing a provider which has decided to do this of that. > Conversely, I see a lot of spams that have a valid DKIM signature. > > Moreover, I don't think the Debian list servers validate DKIM. It's > probably your host that is doing so. > > And finally, your own mails fail DKIM, so for a mail server that > seems to give so much importance to DKIM, they could at least set it > up right. My understanding, based I think in part on past conversations, was/is that changes which are often made to messages automatically by mailing-list software as part of forwarding them through to the list members have the side effect of causing DKIM checks to fail (at least with some DKIM-validating configurations, I'm not sure about all). If that is correct, then not only would that likely be the reason for Hans' mail provider seeing DKIM validation failing for all mails from debian-user, it would also mean that mails from Hans would probably fail DKIM validation for those who receive them through debian-user - without meaning that his mail provider is necessarily doing DKIM wrong, at least on the sending end. A way to check that might be to have Hans send a mail to someone both via the list and not, or (if that gets filtered out by some relevant software as being a duplicate) send two mails, one via the list and the other not. If the one via the list has the header flag for failed DKIM, and the other doesn't, that would seem to narrow down the possibilities. (I am not volunteering for this.) On the other hand, if my understanding is *not* correct, then none of that applies. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared
On Thu 18/04/2024 at 11:05, David Christensen wrote: > Move aside the ~/.config/xfce4 directory: > ... > Restart -- screen with wallpaper alone. > ... Hi David, Starting from Mate DE only and some old (bookworm) XFCE config files, if I: $ sudo apt install task-xfce-desktop then log out and into XFCE, I get an XFCE desktop with wallpaper, desktop icons, panel, main menu, launchers, window buttons, notification area. Then I: $ mv ~/.config/xfce4 ~/.config/xfce4.old then logout and into XFCE again, I get wallpaper, desktop icons, panel, main menu, window buttons, notification area, but only non-functional launcher placeholder icons. $ diff ~/.config/xfce4 ~/.config/xfce4.old Common subdirectories: /home/user/.config/xfce4/desktop and /home/user/.config/xfce4.old/desktop Only in /home/user/.config/xfce4.old: panel } Only in /home/user/.config/xfce4.old: src } <-- these are subdirectories Only in /home/user/.config/xfce4.old: terminal} Common subdirectories: /home/user/.config/xfce4/xfconf and /home/user/.config/xfce4.old/xfconf Common subdirectories: /home/user/.config/xfce4/xfwm4 and /home/user/.config/xfce4.old/xfwm4 $ (though there probably wasn't much there to start with) I'm not sure what would cause this difference in behaviour (though wonder if this might suggest more amiss with your XFCE installation) and I will watch this thread with interest. Also I just "rediscovered" that reinstalling task-xfce-desktop doesn't reinstall those packages which it brings in in the first place, though I'm sure you knew that :) Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Best wishes, Gareth
Re: Marking as spam
On 18/04/2024 12:43, Hans wrote: But the "Sorry" mail I did send without the spam tag. However, I get it WITH the spamtag, as all mails get the DCIM=false tag in the header (created by the debian servers) and megamailservers.eu add the SPAM tag. Or you could use a less shitty mail service, because failed DKIM (I assume that's what you mean by DCIM=false) does not mean that an email is a spam. Conversely, I see a lot of spams that have a valid DKIM signature. Moreover, I don't think the Debian list servers validate DKIM. It's probably your host that is doing so. And finally, your own mails fail DKIM, so for a mail server that seems to give so much importance to DKIM, they could at least set it up right. -- Nothing can be done in one trip. -- Snider Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br
Vlan and DHCP
Hello, maybe a bit off topic. The goal is to have a central DHCP/DNS server for multiple IP ranges in the same network. - LAN has 192.168.30.0/24 - guest should have 10.10.10.0/24 At the moment LAN and guest has different interfaces but i have to change this. A new wifi repeater / AP is needed, that have to had both, LAN and guest. The wifi repeater has openwrt so that should work, to have multiple SSID's and vlan I try to get dhcp working with vlan/macvlan. I have configures kea-dhcp with multiple ranges on multiple interfaces. But the dhcp request is seen on both, the lan and the macvlan interface and the macvlan interface send the wrong address. A similar problem is there https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-projects/kea/-/issues/1117 Whats wrong there? Can someone put me in the wright direction? Best regards
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam
Am Donnerstag, 18. April 2024, 17:21:41 CEST schrieb rtnetz...@windstream.net: To make clear: The first time I replied, I forgot to remove the spam tag. But the "Sorry" mail I did send without the spam tag. However, I get it WITH the spamtag, as all mails get the DCIM=false tag in the header (created by the debian servers) and megamailservers.eu add the SPAM tag. Those, who receive their mails on another way, are not affected, but I am. Thus, I get some mails from the debian list with SPAM tag and some without, depending how I received it. I can not fix this (as already described in another thread on this list here), so I had to create a whitelist rule in my spamrules. However, yes, you can expect from me, that I remove the SPAM tag, when I reply of mails. If I reply, I am not sure, if the spam tag is recreated, whilst the DCIM=false tag might be kept in the reply mails (did not examine this). Of course, I will watch to remove the spam tag when replying in the future. Promised! Best Hans > As I understand what he wrote, the SPAM tag is added after the message > leaves his control. > > - Original Message - > From: "Nicolas George" > To: "debian-user" > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2024 11:13:44 AM > Subject: Re: *SPAM* Marking as spam [was: *SPAM* Re: > LibreOffice removed from Debian] > Hans (12024-04-18): > > As I can not fix it > > You can manually remove “*SPAM*” from the mail when you reply. > > You could even automate it on your end.
Re: Sorry
On 2024-04-18 at 11:15, Hans wrote: > Sorry, the spam tag appears because of DCIM in the header. > > Not my fault. But it did not appear on *this* message from you to the list. Is there a reason you couldn't edit the Subject: lines of the replies you're sending, before you send them, to remove the marker? If the marker were being added to the replies after you send them (which would be an odd behavior, since presumably the reason it's being added is that the mail servers think there's something odd about the mail when it's incoming, and there isn't anything odd about the mail you're *sending* except where it's addressed to), then an edit like that wouldn't do anything. But if it were being added after you send the mail, presumably it would have been added to this "Sorry" message as well - and it wasn't, even though that mail too is a reply to an E-mail you received through the list, and is addressed to the list. It would therefore seem as if editing out the "*SPAM*" marker from your replies before you send them would result in the replies showing up on the mailing list without that marker. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian]
rtnetz...@windstream.net (12024-04-18): > As I understand what he wrote, the SPAM tag is added after the message leaves > his control. I very much doubt it, we would see “*SPAM* Re:” rather than “Re: *SPAM*”. And his recent “Sorry” mail was not tagged. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/04/msg00294.html Regards, -- Nicolas George
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian]
As I understand what he wrote, the SPAM tag is added after the message leaves his control. - Original Message - From: "Nicolas George" To: "debian-user" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2024 11:13:44 AM Subject: Re: *SPAM* Marking as spam [was: *SPAM* Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian] Hans (12024-04-18): > As I can not fix it You can manually remove “*SPAM*” from the mail when you reply. You could even automate it on your end. -- Nicolas George -- Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob
Sorry
Am Donnerstag, 18. April 2024, 17:08:53 CEST schrieb Hans: Sorry, the spam tag appears because of DCIM in the header. Not my fault. Best Hans > Am Donnerstag, 18. April 2024, 11:53:38 CEST schrieb to...@tuxteam.de: > Hi Tomas, > > this is by debian servers, I talked about this for a while. Because the > debian servers mark some things in the header, megamailservers.eu mark them > as spam and add SPAM to the headline. > > As I can not fix it and debian admins will also not do, and I just answered > to the debian mail, you see the spam mark in the headline. > > I am no motre thinking of it, because everything was said in another theread > in this list. > > For myself I made a rule in spamassassin, that mails from debian are > whitelisted, although they are marked as spam and although they are > appearing with SPA in the headline - as I know, they are NO spam! > > Hope, this explains it. > > Best > > Hans > > > Hi, Hans > > > > is it your mail setup adding that *SPAM* decoration to the > > subject? > > > > Just curious... > > > > cheers
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian]
Hans (12024-04-18): > As I can not fix it You can manually remove “*SPAM*” from the mail when you reply. You could even automate it on your end. -- Nicolas George
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian]
Am Donnerstag, 18. April 2024, 11:53:38 CEST schrieb to...@tuxteam.de: Hi Tomas, this is by debian servers, I talked about this for a while. Because the debian servers mark some things in the header, megamailservers.eu mark them as spam and add SPAM to the headline. As I can not fix it and debian admins will also not do, and I just answered to the debian mail, you see the spam mark in the headline. I am no motre thinking of it, because everything was said in another theread in this list. For myself I made a rule in spamassassin, that mails from debian are whitelisted, although they are marked as spam and although they are appearing with SPA in the headline - as I know, they are NO spam! Hope, this explains it. Best Hans > Hi, Hans > > is it your mail setup adding that *SPAM* decoration to the > subject? > > Just curious... > > cheers
Re: Copier le fichier public PGP d'Anydesk dans le répertoire /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d [RESOLU]
Le file de discussion "apt-key is deprecated" contient les infos qui m'ont permis de régler mon problème. Puisse ce message aider d'autres personnes. Le jeu. 18 avr. 2024 à 12:41, Olivier a écrit : > > Bonjour, > > J'ai suivi la procédure en [1] elle ne fournit pas le résultat escompté. > J'ai : > > # curl -O https://keys.anydesk.com/repos/DEB-GPG-KEY | tee > /usr/share/keyrings/anydesk.gpg > % Total% Received % Xferd Average Speed TimeTime Time > Current > Dload Upload Total SpentLeft Speed > 100 1778 100 17780 0 13268 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 13268 > # ls -l /usr/share/keyrings/anydesk.gpg > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 18 avril 12:37 /usr/share/keyrings/anydesk.gpg > > Le fichier DEB-GPG-KEY est au format "PGP public key block Public-Key (old)". > Les autres fichiers de /usr/share/keyrings/ sont "au format GPG". > > [1] https://www.debian-fr.org/t/anydesk-sur-bullseye/85147/2 > > Comment corriger ? > > Slts
Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared
On 18/04/2024 17:05, David Christensen wrote: $ mv .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/ .config/xfce4 Restart -- back to Xfce panel with no Network Manager. Try to create a new system user and log in. Is nm-applet present?
Re: clavier console
Le 2024-04-18 14:45, Erwann Le Bras a écrit : Pas tant que ça, j'ai toujours l'environnement graphique (LXDE) sur "F7" en Debian Stable En stable aussi, et sur F2 :) J'ai remarqué ça sur des nouvelles installations, mais je n'ai jamais regardé si ça avait changé sur mon système que je mets à jour depuis des générations… C'est peut-être là l'explication ? Sébastien
Re: tbird troubles
On 2024-04-18, wrote: > > > Actually I'm thankful for having got the chance to learn a couple of > languages. It has been a lot of fun. And also to you folks who put up > with my mediocre English. > I'm thankful to have learned enough French to have read the Proust book (la Recherche...). It's remarkable and beautiful and intelligent in too many ways to describe here (and funny, too). It kind of *is* literature. You need look no further. I've heard that Freud was a really good writer in German. But I fear I lack the time and energy for that task. :-)
Re: No $DISPLAY variable set over ssh
Hi Allan, On 18/04/24 at 12:38, allan wrote: Have four Sid machines here and ssh -X has worked fine on all of them for years. For the last several days I haven't been able to run graphical applications over ssh from any of these machines. Error says "cannot open display" and if I ssh into the machine $DISPLAY is indeed blank but from a local console $DISPLAY correctly reads :0 export DISPLAY=ip.of.ssh.guest:0 doesn't work either although it does set the variable on the host machine. xhost + also gives the cannot open display error. ssh -vv -Y u...@ip.add.re.ss just gives "X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0" Since this happened on all four machines at once I'm pretty sure it's nothing I did - but I haven't been able to resolve it yet. Anybody else seeing this? Anybody got an idea how to resolve or which package to give a bug report? cheers - Have you tried to set the following entries in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: X11Forwarding yes X11DisplayOffset 10 X11UseLocalhost no don't forget to restart the server. Cheers, -- Franco Martelli
Re: On user expectations (Was Re: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian)
On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 11:35:58 +
Andy Smith wrote:
Hello Andy,
>I suspect that your text above has come out sounding more entitled
>than you intended, as English is not your first language.
In fairness to Hans, he did go on to explain as much.
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RE: Ré-installation Debian sur disque chiffré
Bonjour Michel (et les autres), Je viens donc d'installer Debian sur un ordinateur de test avec du LVM chiffré. Dans un second temps, je tente une ré-installation en essayant de conserver l'existant. J'ai fait plusieurs tests comme tu l'indiques... sans succès. Aurais-tu plus de détails sur la procédure que tu évoques ? Merci d'avance. David. Message d'origine Objet : Ré-installation Debian sur disque chiffré Date : dimanche 24 mars 2024 à 08:31 UTC+1 De : David BERCOT Pour : debian-user-french@lists.debian.org Bonjour Michel, Message d'origine Objet : Ré-installation Debian sur disque chiffré Date : samedi 23 mars 2024 à 17:26 UTC+1 De : Michel Verdier Pour : debian-user-french@lists.debian.org Le 23 mars 2024 David BERCOT a écrit : Si je lance l'installateur Debian, au moment du partitionnement des disques, je n'arrive pas à trouver une option qui me dise (en résumé) : "reprise d'un disque préalablement chiffré" [au moins la partition /home] -> et saisie de la passphrase ad hoc. Crypté avec luks ou autre ? Oui, avec LUKS. En mode expert il suffit de sauter le partitionnement, ce que tu dois faire si tu veux réutiliser tes partitions. Ensuite l'installateur détecte les partitions luks, demande les mots de passe, lance luksopen, puis demande les filesystems à monter. Je t'avoue que je n'ai jamais tenté cette approche mais je vais le faire dès que possible. Merci pour cette solution. David.
Re: clavier console
Le 18/04/2024 à 13:53, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit : P.S. autre surprise pour moi la session Kde ouverte se trouve en F2 dans le temps elle était en F7 Ça fait quelques versions que ça a changé. Pas tant que ça, j'ai toujours l'environnement graphique (LXDE) sur "F7" en Debian Stable Erwann
Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared
On 4/18/24 05:27, David Christensen wrote: On 4/17/24 12:37, Richmond wrote: David Christensen writes: What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? maybe it doesn't have permission to execute, or the process which starts it doesn't have permission. 2024-04-18 02:24:20 root@laalaa ~ # ls -l `which nm-applet` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 250784 Feb 27 2021 /usr/bin/nm-applet I do not know what binary starts nm-applet, but here is a WAG: 2024-04-18 02:27:13 root@laalaa ~ # ll -l `which xfce4-panel` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 363328 2021-02-27 08:29:44 /usr/bin/xfce4-panel Can PPID tell you? -- "I have 140,737,488,355,328* mb RAM." Case matters. * Depending on how you interpret things
Re: clavier console
Bonjour, Le 2024-04-18 12:34, MERLIN Philippe a écrit : Auriez vous une piste pour solutionner ce problème ? Avec cette commande ? dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration P.S. autre surprise pour moi la session Kde ouverte se trouve en F2 dans le temps elle était en F7 Ça fait quelques versions que ça a changé. Sébastien
Re: clavier console
Tu peux essayer de redémarrer le système d'entrée du noyau avec udev: # udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change Pas besoin de redémarrer le système en principe.
Re: No $DISPLAY variable set over ssh
Bug report submitted. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1069236 On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 6:18 AM allan wrote: > > I just fixed it. in /etc/ssh/sshd_config I changed > > #AddressFamily any > > to > > AddressFamily inet > > Reading the host's journal got me pointed in the right direction. > Thank you for the suggestion :) > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 6:10 AM allan wrote: > > > > > In the context of these SSH sessions, are those clients or servers? > > > > Both. I've run all four machines as both host and guest when testing. > > > > > Do the logs on the host ip.add.re.ss provide any further details? > > > > journalctl -t sshd gives this - > > > > Apr 18 05:29:03 server sshd[2052]: error: Failed to allocate > > internet-domain X11 display socket. > > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 5:54 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> > > wrote: > > > > > > On 18 Apr 2024 05:38 -0500, from wizard10...@gmail.com (allan): > > > > Have four Sid machines here > > > > > > In the context of these SSH sessions, are those clients or servers? > > > > > > > > > > ssh -vv -Y u...@ip.add.re.ss just gives "X11 forwarding request failed > > > > on channel 0" > > > > > > Do the logs on the host ip.add.re.ss provide any further details? > > > > > > -- > > > Michael Kjörling https://michael.kjorling.se > > > “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?” > > > > > > > > > -- > > we see things not as they are, but as we are. > > -- anais nin > > > > -- > we see things not as they are, but as we are. > -- anais nin -- we see things not as they are, but as we are. -- anais nin
On user expectations (Was Re: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian)
Hi Hans, On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:38:18AM +0200, Hans wrote: > I only hope, it will not happen the same fate like usermin and webmin > happened > to: It was once removed from the repoi with th ereason "spagehetti code, bad > code" and then no one ever took a look again to it, although many, many years > of coding passed by. > > And webmin and usermin are still developed! I suspect that your text above has come out sounding more entitled than you intended, as English is not your first language. Just bear in mind that you are/were expecting volunteers to do free work for you in packaging this software for Debian. If they no longer see the value in doing so, that is their concern and their concern alone. If they never took any interest in it again, that also is solely their own concern. Every single package in Debian relies upon there being maintainers who are interested in packaging it for Debian. We all live in constant hope that our favoured packages are still worth packaging. As you say, you are fortunate enough to still have a project that has active upstream developers so it is still your option to either install this software from upstream yourself, or pay them to do the packaging work that you used to get for free. Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: No $DISPLAY variable set over ssh
I just fixed it. in /etc/ssh/sshd_config I changed #AddressFamily any to AddressFamily inet Reading the host's journal got me pointed in the right direction. Thank you for the suggestion :) On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 6:10 AM allan wrote: > > > In the context of these SSH sessions, are those clients or servers? > > Both. I've run all four machines as both host and guest when testing. > > > Do the logs on the host ip.add.re.ss provide any further details? > > journalctl -t sshd gives this - > > Apr 18 05:29:03 server sshd[2052]: error: Failed to allocate > internet-domain X11 display socket. > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 5:54 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> > wrote: > > > > On 18 Apr 2024 05:38 -0500, from wizard10...@gmail.com (allan): > > > Have four Sid machines here > > > > In the context of these SSH sessions, are those clients or servers? > > > > > > > ssh -vv -Y u...@ip.add.re.ss just gives "X11 forwarding request failed > > > on channel 0" > > > > Do the logs on the host ip.add.re.ss provide any further details? > > > > -- > > Michael Kjörling https://michael.kjorling.se > > “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?” > > > > > -- > we see things not as they are, but as we are. > -- anais nin -- we see things not as they are, but as we are. -- anais nin
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian
On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 11:38:18 +0200
Hans wrote:
Hello Hans,
>I only hope, it will not happen the same fate like usermin and webmin
>happened to: It was once removed from the repoi with th ereason
>"spagehetti code, bad code" and then no one ever took a look again to
Which, no doubt, makes it harder to patch (if necessary).
>And webmin and usermin are still developed!
Based on the foregoing (i.e. above), they were exceptional cases.
>This is not mourning, please note, just things, I am just reflect my
>watchings.
Yeah, we all do it. Sometimes. :-)
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Re: No $DISPLAY variable set over ssh
> In the context of these SSH sessions, are those clients or servers? Both. I've run all four machines as both host and guest when testing. > Do the logs on the host ip.add.re.ss provide any further details? journalctl -t sshd gives this - Apr 18 05:29:03 server sshd[2052]: error: Failed to allocate internet-domain X11 display socket. On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 5:54 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: > > On 18 Apr 2024 05:38 -0500, from wizard10...@gmail.com (allan): > > Have four Sid machines here > > In the context of these SSH sessions, are those clients or servers? > > > > ssh -vv -Y u...@ip.add.re.ss just gives "X11 forwarding request failed > > on channel 0" > > Do the logs on the host ip.add.re.ss provide any further details? > > -- > Michael Kjörling https://michael.kjorling.se > “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?” > -- we see things not as they are, but as we are. -- anais nin
Re: No $DISPLAY variable set over ssh
On 18 Apr 2024 05:38 -0500, from wizard10...@gmail.com (allan): > Have four Sid machines here In the context of these SSH sessions, are those clients or servers? > ssh -vv -Y u...@ip.add.re.ss just gives "X11 forwarding request failed > on channel 0" Do the logs on the host ip.add.re.ss provide any further details? -- Michael Kjörling https://michael.kjorling.se “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian
On 18 Apr 2024 11:38 +0200, from hans.ullr...@loop.de (Hans): > And for libreoffice I suppose, it is planned, to change from 7.6 to 24.4, > which will be a major jump. LibreOffice recently changed the version numbering scheme from X.Y (relatively arbitrary numbering) to YY.M (release year and month). Given that 7.6 was released in August 2023 and 24.2 _just_ before February 2024 (Wikipedia puts it at 31 Jan 2024), the jump from 7.6 to 24.2 represents about half a year's worth of development. And please trim your mail system's "SPAM" markers from subject lines when replying. -- Michael Kjörling https://michael.kjorling.se “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”
Copier le fichier public PGP d'Anydesk dans le répertoire /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d
Bonjour, J'ai suivi la procédure en [1] elle ne fournit pas le résultat escompté. J'ai : # curl -O https://keys.anydesk.com/repos/DEB-GPG-KEY | tee /usr/share/keyrings/anydesk.gpg % Total% Received % Xferd Average Speed TimeTime Time Current Dload Upload Total SpentLeft Speed 100 1778 100 17780 0 13268 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 13268 # ls -l /usr/share/keyrings/anydesk.gpg -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 18 avril 12:37 /usr/share/keyrings/anydesk.gpg Le fichier DEB-GPG-KEY est au format "PGP public key block Public-Key (old)". Les autres fichiers de /usr/share/keyrings/ sont "au format GPG". [1] https://www.debian-fr.org/t/anydesk-sur-bullseye/85147/2 Comment corriger ? Slts
No $DISPLAY variable set over ssh
Have four Sid machines here and ssh -X has worked fine on all of them for years. For the last several days I haven't been able to run graphical applications over ssh from any of these machines. Error says "cannot open display" and if I ssh into the machine $DISPLAY is indeed blank but from a local console $DISPLAY correctly reads :0 export DISPLAY=ip.of.ssh.guest:0 doesn't work either although it does set the variable on the host machine. xhost + also gives the cannot open display error. ssh -vv -Y u...@ip.add.re.ss just gives "X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0" Since this happened on all four machines at once I'm pretty sure it's nothing I did - but I haven't been able to resolve it yet. Anybody else seeing this? Anybody got an idea how to resolve or which package to give a bug report? cheers -
clavier console
Bonjour, Le contexte Sid AMD64 Kde. Depuis une mise à jour je rencontre un problème de clavier. Dans l'univers Kde et Konsole pas de problème le clavier Azerty est bien reconnu et fonctionne parfaitement. Par contre si j'ouvre une console par CTRL Alt F3 mon clavier AZERTY n'est certainement plus reconnu et impossibilité de lui fournir le mdp de root . C'est très gênant , le clavier est certainement en Qwerty. J'ai beau cherché Google m'a été d'aucune aide ou bien je ne dois pas posé les bons termes dans ma recherche. Auriez vous une piste pour solutionner ce problème ? A l'avance Merci. Philippe Merlin P.S. autre surprise pour moi la session Kde ouverte se trouve en F2 dans le temps elle était en F7
Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared
On 4/17/24 12:07, Charles Curley wrote: On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:41:24 -0700 David Christensen wrote: My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable to find if and where any error message is reported. My instance of nm-applet does run, and I see this as part of the boot process: root@hawk:~# journalctl -b | grep nm-app Apr 15 11:27:42 hawk NetworkManager[1354]: [1713202062.7737] agent-manager: agent[108f011a1115d508,:1.131/org.freedesktop.nm-applet/1000]: agent registered root@hawk:~# I suspect that if nm-applet doesn't start, you won't see any output from that command. 2024-04-18 03:07:20 root@laalaa ~ # journalctl -b | grep nm-app Apr 18 03:01:39 laalaa NetworkManager[833]: [1713434499.3660] agent-manager: agent[2a08cda7fa35849b,:1.48/org.freedesktop.nm-applet/13250]: agent registered David
Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared
On 4/17/24 19:41, Gareth Evans wrote: On Wed 17/04/2024 at 19:41, David Christensen wrote: On 4/17/24 03:47, Gareth Evans wrote: On Wed 17/04/2024 at 09:18, David Christensen wrote: On 4/16/24 08:56, Gareth Evans wrote: On 16 Apr 2024, at 00:18, David Christensen wrote: On 4/15/24 09:21, Gareth Evans wrote: On Sun 14/04/2024 at 13:29, David Christensen wrote: ... I have used the Xfce panel Network Manager applet for many years. Tonight, I noticed that it has disappeared (!). ... There is apparently a long history of nm-applet/XFCE panel-related issues (and not many great answers), as evidenced by such as https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=161998 https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6105 https://superuser.com/questions/900490/networkmanager-icon-on-notification-area-is-not-present I tried: 1. Remove Notification applet, restart, add Notification applet, no Network Manager, restart -- no Network Manager. 2. Look at /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf 2024-04-18 02:40:49 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf [main] plugins=ifupdown,keyfile [ifupdown] managed=false Change it to: 2024-04-18 02:43:35 root@laalaa ~ # cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf [main] plugins=ifupdown,keyfile [ifupdown] managed=true Restart -- no Network Manager. Verify /etc//NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf: 2024-04-18 02:45:05 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf [main] plugins=ifupdown,keyfile [ifupdown] managed=true If you get ps output like this directly after a reboot: $ ps aux | grep nm-applet dpchrist1518 0.1 0.2 426500 35380 ?Sl 16:06 0:00 nm-applet 2024-04-18 02:45:10 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ ps aux | grep nm-applet dpchrist1526 0.1 0.2 426484 35256 ?Sl 02:44 0:00 nm-applet dpchrist1869 0.0 0.0 3240 712 pts/0S+ 02:47 0:00 grep nm-applet then I don't think the issue is with the starting/running of nm-applet itself, but rather some issue with the notification plugin, which I'm not sure how to begin troubleshooting. I reluctantly abandoned XFCE partly due to panel instability some time ago. The advice in the final link to rm -rf ~/.config/xfce* might be a bit extreme, but I might try renaming it to force a rebuild on next login, and possibly reinstall task-xfce-desktop (or selected packages) Move aside the ~/.config/xfce4 directory: 2024-04-18 02:50:20 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ ls -ld .config/xfce4/ drwxr-xr-x 8 dpchrist dpchrist 4096 Apr 18 00:45 .config/xfce4/ 2024-04-18 02:50:23 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ mv .config/xfce4/ .config/xfce4-20240418-180045 Restart -- screen with wallpaper alone. Right-click on desktop -> Applications -> Settings -> Panel brings up the Panel Preferences application. The Items tab shows my previous settings. Fumbling around, I am unable to get that panel to display (?). If I create a new panel, I am unable to get it to display (?). Open a Terminal and look if Xfce created a new configuration directory: 2024-04-18 02:57:31 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ ls -ld .config/xfce4* drwxr-xr-x 7 dpchrist dpchrist 4096 Apr 18 02:57 .config/xfce4 drwxr-xr-x 8 dpchrist dpchrist 4096 Apr 18 00:45 .config/xfce4-20240418-180045 Yes, it did. Compare the old directory to the new directory: 2024-04-18 02:58:11 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ diff -rq .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/ .config/xfce4 diff: .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/desktop/icons.screen.latest.rc: No such file or directory Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/desktop: icons.screen0-1008x725.rc Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/desktop: icons.screen0-1424x857.rc Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/desktop: icons.screen0-1664x1007.rc Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/desktop: icons.screen0-1904x1037.rc Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/desktop: icons.screen0-1904x1064.rc Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/desktop: icons.screen0-2928x1037.rc Files .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/desktop/icons.screen0-3824x1037.rc and .config/xfce4/desktop/icons.screen0-3824x1037.rc differ Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/: help.rc Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/panel: launcher-15 Only in .config/xfce4/panel: launcher-17 Only in .config/xfce4/panel: launcher-18 Only in .config/xfce4/panel: launcher-19 Only in .config/xfce4/panel: launcher-20 Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/panel: launcher-24 Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/panel: launcher-28 Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/panel: launcher-7 Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/: src Files .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/terminal/accels.scm and .config/xfce4/terminal/accels.scm differ Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/terminal: terminalrc Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/: xfce4-screenshooter Only in .config/xfce4-20240418-18004
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Re: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian
I only hope, it will not happen the same fate like usermin and webmin happened to: It was once removed from the repoi with th ereason "spagehetti code, bad code" and then no one ever took a look again to it, although many, many years of coding passed by. And webmin and usermin are still developed! I suppose, it is much easier, to remove a package, than to fix it. Once removed, it will soon be forgotten. This is not mourning, please note, just things, I am just reflect my watchings. And for libreoffice I suppose, it is planned, to change from 7.6 to 24.4, which will be a major jump. Don't anger, if I do not find the correct Englisg idioms! Best Hans
Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared
On 4/17/24 13:56, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 4/17/24 15:37, Richmond wrote: David Christensen writes: My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable to find if and where any error message is reported. What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? And is its filesystem mounted with noexec? 2024-04-18 02:27:18 root@laalaa ~ # df `which nm-applet` Filesystem 1M-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/sdb3_crypt12084M 8927M 2522M 78% / 2024-04-18 02:28:57 root@laalaa ~ # mount | grep sdb3 /dev/mapper/sdb3_crypt on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro) David
Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared
On 4/17/24 12:37, Richmond wrote: David Christensen writes: On Sun 14/04/2024 at 13:29, David Christensen wrote: ... I have used the Xfce panel Network Manager applet for many years. Tonight, I noticed that it has disappeared (!). ... What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? maybe it doesn't have permission to execute, or the process which starts it doesn't have permission. 2024-04-18 02:24:20 root@laalaa ~ # ls -l `which nm-applet` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 250784 Feb 27 2021 /usr/bin/nm-applet I do not know what binary starts nm-applet, but here is a WAG: 2024-04-18 02:27:13 root@laalaa ~ # ll -l `which xfce4-panel` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 363328 2021-02-27 08:29:44 /usr/bin/xfce4-panel David
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian
On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 09:55:26 +0200
Erwan David wrote:
Hello Erwan,
>What scares me is seeing part of 18 ongoing transition, and 4 "coming
>soon transitions" with "please do not upload if it is not related to
>the transition".
Several (well, lots of) transitions have landed at pretty the same time.
IME they're usually quite safe - just the occasional oddity, like the
occasional, temporary, package removal. This set is going to bite deep,
I think.
Ultimately, though, it'll be fine, I'm sure.
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Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian
On 18 Apr 2024 09:55 +0200, from er...@rail.eu.org (Erwan David): >> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice > > What scares me is seeing part of 18 ongoing transition, and 4 "coming soon > transitions" with "please do not upload if it is not related to the > transition". Why does that scare you? Those entries are related to testing; that is, it seems to me, Trixie. We're over a year away from a likely release of Trixie, or correspondingly half way in between the Bookworm and Trixie releases. (Note: I have no special knowledge of the release cycle planning for Trixie. This is based on historical evidence and an assumption that something approximating the release cycle for the last several releases will apply also to Trixie, which would put a Trixie release in mid-2025.) Large-scale changes in Testing and Unstable _especially_ at this point in the release cycle are to be expected. Sometimes those changes will by necessity block other changes until everything is sorted out in terms of versions, dependencies and packaging. If you want stability, run Stable (and maybe Backports). If you're running Testing or Unstable (let alone with Experimental on top of that), then you should _expect_ there to be occasional breakage or large-scale changes that can block upgrades until it is all sorted out by the package maintainers, and which may sometimes require local intervention as well. To be fair, this did apparently cause some side effects of bugs being closed incorrectly; but my understanding from the sidelines of this thread is that that was corrected quickly once brought to attention. -- Michael Kjörling https://michael.kjorling.se “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian
Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Erwan David : > What scares me is seeing part of 18 ongoing transition, and 4 "coming > soon transitions" with "please do not upload if it is not related to > the transition". That is Debian unstable. There will be changes that break things and it is intended to find and fix them.
Re: Teclat catala i accents volats
Bon dia, Gràcies Moisès, però fins ara m'havia funcionat correctament el teclat. Alguna actualització me l'ha espatllat. Aniré fent proves. De moment, amb el LanguageTool me'n vaig sortint. Salut a tots. -- * Xavier De Yzaguirre i Maura xdeyzaguirre at protonmail(dot)ch
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian
Le 17/04/2024 à 15:26, Brad Rogers a écrit : On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:12:39 +0200 Vincent Lefevre wrote: Hello Vincent, Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian??? https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice Has all the info you need, and more. Expect it to be removed from testing, too. This is not permanent. What scares me is seeing part of 18 ongoing transition, and 4 "coming soon transitions" with "please do not upload if it is not related to the transition".
