Re: Can you help me about building of Fedroa17 ?
于 2012年12月19日 11:19, 史周波 写道: hi all I have encountersome building problems, Fellowing is building message. here Env is Fedroa17 + Gcc4.7 + Dev300M20 source. after I have build on Fedroa17+Gcc4.7 , Fellowing error come into being. Entering /home/dev6-main/bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_intel Making: all_gcc3_uno.dpslo Compiling: bridges/unxlngi6.pro/misc/gcc3_uno_version.c Compiling: bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_intel/except.cxx In file included from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_algobase.h:35:0, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_vector.h:36, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_hashtable.h:34, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_hash_map.h:34, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/hash_map:27, from /home/dev6-main/bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_intel/except.cxx:35: /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/cstddef:42:20: error: '__std_alias::ptrdiff_t' has not been declared /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/cstddef:43:20: error: '__std_alias::size_t' has not been declared In file included from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/cstring:32:0, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_algobase.h:39, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_vector.h:36, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_hashtable.h:34, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_hash_map.h:34, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/hash_map:27, from /home/dev6-main/bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_intel/except.cxx:35: /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/using/cstring:1:20: error: '__std_alias::size_t' has not been declared In file included from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_algobase.h:47:0, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_vector.h:36, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_hashtable.h:34, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_hash_map.h:34, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/hash_map:27, from /home/dev6-main/bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_intel/except.cxx:35: /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/cstdlib:44:20: error: '__std_alias::size_t' has not been declared In file included from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/new:50:0, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_alloc.h:60, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_vector.h:40, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_hashtable.h:34, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_hash_map.h:34, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/hash_map:27, from /home/dev6-main/bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_intel/except.cxx:35: /usr/include/c++/4.7.0/new:93:31: error: declaration of 'operator new' as non-function /usr/include/c++/4.7.0/new:93:20: error: 'size_t' is not a member of 'std' /usr/include/c++/4.7.0/new:93:20: note: suggested alternatives: In file included from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stddef.h:23:0, from /usr/include/../include/stdio.h:34, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stdio.h:22, from /home/dev6-main/bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_intel/except.cxx:31: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-redhat-linux/4.7.0/include/../include/stddef.h:213:22: note: 'size_t' In file included from /usr/lib/gcc/i686-redhat-linux/4.7.0/../../../../include/c++/4.7.0/cxxabi.h:50:0, from /home/dev6-main/bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_intel/except.cxx:34: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-redhat-linux/4.7.0/../../../../include/c++/4.7.0/i686-redhat-linux/bits/c++config.h:173:24: note: '_STL::size_t' In file included from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/new:50:0, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_alloc.h:60, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_vector.h:40, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_hashtable.h:34, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stl/_hash_map.h:34, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/hash_map:27, from /home/dev6-main/bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_intel/except.cxx:35: /usr/include/c++/4.7.0/new:95:33: error: declaration of 'operator new []' as non-function /usr/include/c++/4.7.0/new:95:22: error: 'size_t' is not a member of 'std' /usr/include/c++/4.7.0/new:95:22: note: suggested alternatives: In file included from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stddef.h:23:0, from /usr/include/../include/stdio.h:34, from /home/dev6-main/solver/330/unxlngi6.pro/inc/stl/stdio.h:22, from /home/dev6-main/bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_intel/except.cxx:31: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-redhat-linux/4.7.0/include/../include/stddef.h:213:22: note: 'size_t' In file included from
Re: Native lang, pootle information needs changes...
Kay Schenk wrote: We have Native Language information on the project web site: http://openoffice.apache.org/native-lang.htm which also directs folks to a local Pootle User Guide on the wiki: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide ... Is there someplace else they should be going? Actually, the page is here http://openoffice.apache.org/native-lang.html and it definitely shouldn't point people to the Pootle User Guide but to http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html Regards, Andrea.
Re: Equivalence in iBook Author
On Thursday, December 20, 2012 00:34:19 you wrote: Inge, On 12-12-19, at 18:13 , Inge Wallin i...@lysator.liu.se wrote: On Friday, December 14, 2012 13:39:25 Sylvain DENIS wrote: Hello, I make stands and often I made small requests. The last appeared after the release of a software in Apple. In education, many teachers use the software iBooks Author. He realizes ePub with additional features (such as interactions). Is it possible to make the same kind with AOO? There is the plugin Writer2epub but it is far from complete. This is a strong demand in Belgium and France. Thank you for your response You could take a look at Calligra Author[1]. It's more or less exactly what you're looking for. It's a new member of the Calligra Suite especially made for creating ebooks. Well... In theory anyway. The first version hasn't actually been released yet. That's going to happen at the beginning of January. There is a release candidate out now which you can try out. It can export both to epub2 and mobi formats and right now we are working on cover images and adding epub3 features like support for MathML and multimedia (embedded video). Calligra Author itself can already handle both (although the first version has somewhat basic handling of math formulas to be honest) but the export filter cannot yet. [1] http://www.calligra.org/ I'd like to try it out but my primary device is Mac OS X. I can use a virtualizer easily enough but my usual reaction to Windows is typical, if unprintable. KDE I can manage easily enough but if there is a Mac OS X binary that's pre-pre ready, I'd be game to give it a spin. You can send me info offline, if you like to preserve peace. BTW, Calligra is overall quite nice—a great job of coding and management. If I get a copy of the Author for OS X, I'll also be comparing it to Scrivener, which I've come to rather like for DTP, though of course, I am most comfortable with AOO. Cheers Louis Hi Louis, You can try the release candidate on any Linux distribution that packages it. Or you could try it on Windows by downloading it from KO GmbH, my company (although with your stated views on Windows that may not be so attractive :) ). Unfortunately there is still nobody who has packaged Calligra for Mac yet and released packages. The good news is that there is now a serious effort going on. One of the Calligra developers is doing exactly this and I hope that he will be read when the real release comes out in a couple of weeks. Regarding Author itself you may become disappointed with the first version. We started the development a bit into the development cycle and Calligra now has a 4 month release cycle. So we failed to achieve our ambitious goals for 2.6, which is the upcoming Calligra version. Right now Calligra Author is not much more than Calligra Words with a rather good export to EPUB and MOBI formats. What is there, though, is the vision. We want Author to be *the* tool that is useful for all writers from concept to publication. This is different from, say, Scrivener which is very good in the concept and writing phases but more or less useless in the review and publishing phases. Author will eventually have the people/scene/item databases that makes Scrivener so powerful but in addition it will still be a real word processor with its support for common formats (ODF and MS doc/docx), annotations, change tracking and so on. This means that it's useful for interaction with reviewers, proof readers and publishers when the first draft of the book is ready. But my ultimate goal is the emerging education market. In my view the text books of the future will contain multimedia, animations and interactive contents. Calligra already has support for video in the documents and this will be handled in export to EPUB3 in the next version. Except for iBook Author from Apple there is *no* application that I know of that can write contents like this except for applications like Sigil that work directoly on the xhtml level inside the EPUB. -Inge
Re: Native lang, pootle information needs changes...
On 12/20/12 9:30 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Kay Schenk wrote: We have Native Language information on the project web site: http://openoffice.apache.org/native-lang.htm which also directs folks to a local Pootle User Guide on the wiki: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide ... Is there someplace else they should be going? Actually, the page is here http://openoffice.apache.org/native-lang.html and it definitely shouldn't point people to the Pootle User Guide but to http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html we should check if all necessary information is available on http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html and should change the wiki to point to this pages. Or we should simply update the wiki which is easier to maintain and should link to this. Information about the gsicheck (http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Gsicheck) for example is very useful as long as we have the sdf files. Such info should contain tips and tricks what to do and what not, for example never change id's or hid's or hrefs. Today it took me 2 hours to fix many of these mistakes in a new prepared sdf file. The errors are in the po files and we should try to minimize such problems. Juergen
Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially
On Dec 20, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi List, Talking about palettes is always difficult - at the end, it's a question of taste. Nonetheless, we need a palette which is by default installed with the office. You all know the current one (for years ;-)) which I think is far from optimal. Thus, I analyzed the current one and want to share my findings. From that, I want to propose a change for our next release. Also probably not optimal, but optimal in this field depends on the user's eye and cannot be met by a single palette anyways. Talking about palettes is also difficult since you need to 'see' something - pictures say more than words. To make that easier, I have prepared some data. Please look at A Impress document containing two slides (http://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette.odp) The two slides as png's for convenience (http://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette.png, http://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette2.png) The following thext refers to figures there, so please take a look to see what the text is about (...if you want to continue reading ;-)) The current (old?) AOO Palette, It's made up of five groups (from my perspective): (a) The 16 VGA colors: These come originally from the times where only 16 colors were possible and are in hex color notation exactly all eight combinations of red/green/blue on or off, plus these in half intensity. It *had* technical reasons, but these colors do not have any special meaning for the user today (well, for the programmer). Anyways, they are a result of old technical limitations. I think they are ugly and lead to ugly results when using them directly (but that's my impression). (b) The 'Main' Colors: 56 colors which try to build up to eight gradient-stepped ranges, e.g. orange. These ranges are *not* equidistantly spread, but somewhat wild/random (see e.g. the reds). I do not know where they historically come from, but I guess they were done by a deveoper at these days. There are some nice colors among them, but not too many. I always search for useful colors there (c) The Pale colors: These seem to be younger than the others, may have to do historically with the StarOffice 5.2 color theme, but I'm not sure. Not too bad, not too good a selection. A group of seven colors which form a nice kind of 'schema' and make your presentation look 'acceptable' when using them together. (d) The Chart colors: 12 colors used in the new chart module written some years ago. AFAIK these were added at that time especially to support the user having colors at hand corresponding to the default chart colors. Nice. Useful. (e) 'Nice' Colors: A sub-group from (b). One is fix, it's the mentioned 'Blue 9' which is currently the default color for objects and has to be in the palette. I personally like (and often use) 'Blue Gray'. These are a question of taste, I would reccomend the named ones, but we need to collect 'your' favorites here. Keep in mind to keep this number low (probably 4-5) and do not forget that the color you like were not choosen freely, but *because* you were limited to the offered ones, so it might be a compromize you are just used to. Quite a mix. I compared it with Syphony's palette and there completely new colors are used. One interesting aspect are the white/gray/black ones: In our current palette these are divided between (a) (black, white and two grays) and (b) (the rest, gray 80% .. gray 20%). This is of course because the first four grays are technically in the old VGA palette. I more than once were mad about finding the correct gray in our palette, because of the bad positioning in it. Symphony has all needed grays in one draw as first entries in the palette (what I would expect nowadays). Thus, I propose: - Basically use Symphony palette - Preserve some nice olors from our old palette, but not more than 4 or 5. The default color needs to be preserved (blue 9). I propose to only keep 'Blue Gray', but let's see which other colors are favorites here... - Add the Pale colors - Add the Chart colors The result is 'hand crafted' in the docs linked above, please have a look :-) Another aspect of the new palette is that it copies from Symphony the use of '12-er groups' which look nice when you order the palette in a way that 12 colors are in a row, please see the picture. This could be a part of our sidepane in progress. One more hint: This palette offers defaults to the user after AOO is newly installed, not more (and not less). It can be changed by the user anytime. Colors can be added/deleted by the user. This has no technical limitations in the sense that changing the palette may influence existing ODF's or other written files. E.g. the chart colors are there to not have to look for them, but can be added/removed by the user anytime (they are *not* the
Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially
Hi Kevin, On 20.12.2012 12:01, Kevin Grignon wrote: snip Armin, Great enhancement. In fact this is in the UX backlog. Yes, it is, but we need to discuss it and someone has to do it ;-) Regards, Kevin Sincerely, Armin -- ALG
Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially
2012/12/20 Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com Hi List, Talking about palettes is always difficult - at the end, it's a question of taste. Nonetheless, we need a palette which is by default installed with the office. You all know the current one (for years ;-)) which I think is far from optimal. Thus, I analyzed the current one and want to share my findings. From that, I want to propose a change for our next release. Also probably not optimal, but optimal in this field depends on the user's eye and cannot be met by a single palette anyways. Talking about palettes is also difficult since you need to 'see' something - pictures say more than words. To make that easier, I have prepared some data. Please look at A Impress document containing two slides (http://people.apache.org/~** alg/Palette/palette.odphttp://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette.odp ) The two slides as png's for convenience (http://people.apache.org/~** alg/Palette/palette.pnghttp://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette.png, http://people.apache.org/~alg/**Palette/palette2.pnghttp://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette2.png ) The following thext refers to figures there, so please take a look to see what the text is about (...if you want to continue reading ;-)) The current (old?) AOO Palette, It's made up of five groups (from my perspective): (a) The 16 VGA colors: These come originally from the times where only 16 colors were possible and are in hex color notation exactly all eight combinations of red/green/blue on or off, plus these in half intensity. It *had* technical reasons, but these colors do not have any special meaning for the user today (well, for the programmer). Anyways, they are a result of old technical limitations. I think they are ugly and lead to ugly results when using them directly (but that's my impression). (b) The 'Main' Colors: 56 colors which try to build up to eight gradient-stepped ranges, e.g. orange. These ranges are *not* equidistantly spread, but somewhat wild/random (see e.g. the reds). I do not know where they historically come from, but I guess they were done by a deveoper at these days. There are some nice colors among them, but not too many. I always search for useful colors there (c) The Pale colors: These seem to be younger than the others, may have to do historically with the StarOffice 5.2 color theme, but I'm not sure. Not too bad, not too good a selection. A group of seven colors which form a nice kind of 'schema' and make your presentation look 'acceptable' when using them together. (d) The Chart colors: 12 colors used in the new chart module written some years ago. AFAIK these were added at that time especially to support the user having colors at hand corresponding to the default chart colors. Nice. Useful. (e) 'Nice' Colors: A sub-group from (b). One is fix, it's the mentioned 'Blue 9' which is currently the default color for objects and has to be in the palette. I personally like (and often use) 'Blue Gray'. These are a question of taste, I would reccomend the named ones, but we need to collect 'your' favorites here. Keep in mind to keep this number low (probably 4-5) and do not forget that the color you like were not choosen freely, but *because* you were limited to the offered ones, so it might be a compromize you are just used to. Quite a mix. I compared it with Syphony's palette and there completely new colors are used. One interesting aspect are the white/gray/black ones: In our current palette these are divided between (a) (black, white and two grays) and (b) (the rest, gray 80% .. gray 20%). This is of course because the first four grays are technically in the old VGA palette. I more than once were mad about finding the correct gray in our palette, because of the bad positioning in it. Symphony has all needed grays in one draw as first entries in the palette (what I would expect nowadays). Thus, I propose: - Basically use Symphony palette - Preserve some nice olors from our old palette, but not more than 4 or 5. The default color needs to be preserved (blue 9). I propose to only keep 'Blue Gray', but let's see which other colors are favorites here... - Add the Pale colors - Add the Chart colors The result is 'hand crafted' in the docs linked above, please have a look :-) Another aspect of the new palette is that it copies from Symphony the use of '12-er groups' which look nice when you order the palette in a way that 12 colors are in a row, please see the picture. This could be a part of our sidepane in progress. One more hint: This palette offers defaults to the user after AOO is newly installed, not more (and not less). It can be changed by the user anytime. Colors can be added/deleted by the user. This has no technical limitations in the sense that changing the palette may influence existing ODF's or other written files. E.g. the chart colors are there to not have to look for them,
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
Rui Ogawa Atenção! Caso haja documentos de escritório anexados neste e-mail, eles poderão estar no formato ODF, um padrão aberto, gratuito e homologado pela ISO e ABNT. Para abrir e editá-los, basta baixar e instalar o Apache OpenOffice.org em http://www.openoffice.org/download/ Seu sistema trava e pega vírus? O meu não. Use Debian, o Sistema Operacional Universal! http://www.debian.org/ http://www.ubuntu-br.org/ 2012/12/20 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com On 12/20/12 6:14 AM, Shenfeng Liu wrote: imacat, Your comments are so professional! :-) Personally I like this logo design more comparing to other candidates in wiki https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations . Thanks Michael! While we may also want to update the app icon design as the next step for consistent LF... I think Michaels proposal is the beginning of hopefully more. I personally see a reused old orb + some new elements. But the squares remind me to windows and the colors don't fit really together from my point of view. Actually, the square leads us to something from microsoft... this was my first impression We should think about something really new and fresh with or without the gulls. We should think for what OpenOffice and Apache stands for - free office software for the public good - for many million users all over the world - many languages - We should think about something that can maybe visualize some of these attributes and can transport the message in one or multiple combined graphical elements. Too bad that I am no designer, but I will try to think about ideas and will at least share my ideas with you. Juergen - Shenfeng (Simon) 2012/12/20 imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw Some honest thoughts: 1. These flat 3D plates feel a little weird. The lights of the plates has the focus effect, but the lights of the plates have not. 2. I cannot see the connection of these plates with our four components easily, as the colors of Writer, Calc, Impress and Base are not Blue, Orange, Green and Purple. And we have other components such as Math and Draw. 3. The directions of the lights are contradictory. The lights of the orb come from above, while the lights of the plates (and also the plate of the orb) come from right. But still, thanks you very much for this great effort. On 2012/12/20 09:33, Michael Acevedo said: Greetings to the AOO Team! Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've decided to get back in touch with the AOO community. First, congratulations to the AOO team on a successful graduation into a top-level Apache project from the Apache Incubator. Now the reason on why I am writing this email is to formally submit a logo proposal for the next version of the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo. Previously, I submitted an initial logo on the Apache OpenOffice Google+ community but I went back to the drawing board and created a second version of the logo that both pays respect to the previous Apache OpenOffice orb, but modernizes the look of the overall logo by adding 4 colored squares that represent the four corners of our office suite (Writer, Calc, Impress, and Base) and utilizing a streamlined font. Without further introductions, below I present my official submission for the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo. This first logo, is the proposed official logo for the project that would be used for our webpage and some other materials. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lETVSrwcgJc/UNJpH6G1sxI/ABg/JnpNrXdRgUo/s653/AOO%25204%2520LOGO%2520v2-5%2520Small%2520copy.jpg There's a secondary logo, which is basically the same logo but changes the proportion of the OpenOffice orb making it better suited for the splash screen that appears at the launch of the application. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uy8gU24uBZw/UNJpH8UiKiI/ABk/xfXTQjO8iQg/s912/AOO%25204%2520LOGO%2520v2-2.png Hope you guys like it and Happy holidays! -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
I am also no desgner, and like the more fresh look. However I showed to a friend visiting, and the first reaction was...oooh AOO is already ready for windows8, it seems that the 4 squares (not identical) are used quite a lot inside windows8. If that is the case, we should change itmaybe not use squares but e.g. balloons. We also have to remember that it must be convertable (or redrawn) as a favicon, that is only 16x16. thanks for taking time to make the proposal, and despite my concerns it is the best I have seen so far ! Jan. On 20 December 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/20/12 6:14 AM, Shenfeng Liu wrote: imacat, Your comments are so professional! :-) Personally I like this logo design more comparing to other candidates in wiki https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations . Thanks Michael! While we may also want to update the app icon design as the next step for consistent LF... I think Michaels proposal is the beginning of hopefully more. I personally see a reused old orb + some new elements. But the squares remind me to windows and the colors don't fit really together from my point of view. We should think about something really new and fresh with or without the gulls. We should think for what OpenOffice and Apache stands for - free office software for the public good - for many million users all over the world - many languages - We should think about something that can maybe visualize some of these attributes and can transport the message in one or multiple combined graphical elements. Too bad that I am no designer, but I will try to think about ideas and will at least share my ideas with you. Juergen - Shenfeng (Simon) 2012/12/20 imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw Some honest thoughts: 1. These flat 3D plates feel a little weird. The lights of the plates has the focus effect, but the lights of the plates have not. 2. I cannot see the connection of these plates with our four components easily, as the colors of Writer, Calc, Impress and Base are not Blue, Orange, Green and Purple. And we have other components such as Math and Draw. 3. The directions of the lights are contradictory. The lights of the orb come from above, while the lights of the plates (and also the plate of the orb) come from right. But still, thanks you very much for this great effort. On 2012/12/20 09:33, Michael Acevedo said: Greetings to the AOO Team! Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've decided to get back in touch with the AOO community. First, congratulations to the AOO team on a successful graduation into a top-level Apache project from the Apache Incubator. Now the reason on why I am writing this email is to formally submit a logo proposal for the next version of the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo. Previously, I submitted an initial logo on the Apache OpenOffice Google+ community but I went back to the drawing board and created a second version of the logo that both pays respect to the previous Apache OpenOffice orb, but modernizes the look of the overall logo by adding 4 colored squares that represent the four corners of our office suite (Writer, Calc, Impress, and Base) and utilizing a streamlined font. Without further introductions, below I present my official submission for the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo. This first logo, is the proposed official logo for the project that would be used for our webpage and some other materials. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lETVSrwcgJc/UNJpH6G1sxI/ABg/JnpNrXdRgUo/s653/AOO%25204%2520LOGO%2520v2-5%2520Small%2520copy.jpg There's a secondary logo, which is basically the same logo but changes the proportion of the OpenOffice orb making it better suited for the splash screen that appears at the launch of the application. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uy8gU24uBZw/UNJpH8UiKiI/ABk/xfXTQjO8iQg/s912/AOO%25204%2520LOGO%2520v2-2.png Hope you guys like it and Happy holidays! -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially
On Dec 20, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Kevin, On 20.12.2012 12:01, Kevin Grignon wrote: snip Armin, Great enhancement. In fact this is in the UX backlog. Yes, it is, but we need to discuss it and someone has to do it ;-) Let's use some mockups to make it real. This will help the discussion and drive an owner. Kevin Regards, Kevin Sincerely, Armin -- ALG
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
2012/12/20 janI j...@apache.org I am also no desgner, and like the more fresh look. However I showed to a friend visiting, and the first reaction was...oooh AOO is already ready for windows8, it seems that the 4 squares (not identical) are used quite a lot inside windows8. Indeed, this is a problem: even if last time I used a windows machine was several years ago the immediate reaction to the squares was this looks like a MS logo (the rest of the logo is just fine). A different approach could be the use of a gradient instead of the blue for the orb fill: let the orb with its actual shape, no metal border and no squares, but fill it with a gradient that displays all the colours of AOO apps. (The image is clear on my mind, but I lack the skills to build it). On a related note: another image clear in my mind is a version of the orb build not with a continuous background, but with small text written on several languages and several scrips, to stress that AOO is for everyone, on every language. Something like an ASCII art logo. Regards Ricardo If that is the case, we should change itmaybe not use squares but e.g. balloons. We also have to remember that it must be convertable (or redrawn) as a favicon, that is only 16x16. thanks for taking time to make the proposal, and despite my concerns it is the best I have seen so far ! Jan. On 20 December 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/20/12 6:14 AM, Shenfeng Liu wrote: imacat, Your comments are so professional! :-) Personally I like this logo design more comparing to other candidates in wiki https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations . Thanks Michael! While we may also want to update the app icon design as the next step for consistent LF... I think Michaels proposal is the beginning of hopefully more. I personally see a reused old orb + some new elements. But the squares remind me to windows and the colors don't fit really together from my point of view. We should think about something really new and fresh with or without the gulls. We should think for what OpenOffice and Apache stands for - free office software for the public good - for many million users all over the world - many languages - We should think about something that can maybe visualize some of these attributes and can transport the message in one or multiple combined graphical elements. Too bad that I am no designer, but I will try to think about ideas and will at least share my ideas with you. Juergen - Shenfeng (Simon) 2012/12/20 imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw Some honest thoughts: 1. These flat 3D plates feel a little weird. The lights of the plates has the focus effect, but the lights of the plates have not. 2. I cannot see the connection of these plates with our four components easily, as the colors of Writer, Calc, Impress and Base are not Blue, Orange, Green and Purple. And we have other components such as Math and Draw. 3. The directions of the lights are contradictory. The lights of the orb come from above, while the lights of the plates (and also the plate of the orb) come from right. But still, thanks you very much for this great effort. On 2012/12/20 09:33, Michael Acevedo said: Greetings to the AOO Team! Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've decided to get back in touch with the AOO community. First, congratulations to the AOO team on a successful graduation into a top-level Apache project from the Apache Incubator. Now the reason on why I am writing this email is to formally submit a logo proposal for the next version of the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo. Previously, I submitted an initial logo on the Apache OpenOffice Google+ community but I went back to the drawing board and created a second version of the logo that both pays respect to the previous Apache OpenOffice orb, but modernizes the look of the overall logo by adding 4 colored squares that represent the four corners of our office suite (Writer, Calc, Impress, and Base) and utilizing a streamlined font. Without further introductions, below I present my official submission for the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo. This first logo, is the proposed official logo for the project that would be used for our webpage and some other materials. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lETVSrwcgJc/UNJpH6G1sxI/ABg/JnpNrXdRgUo/s653/AOO%25204%2520LOGO%2520v2-5%2520Small%2520copy.jpg There's a secondary logo, which is basically the same logo but changes the proportion of the OpenOffice orb making it better suited for the splash screen that appears at the launch of the application.
Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially
Hi Kevin, On 20.12.2012 14:36, Kevin Grignon wrote: On Dec 20, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Kevin, On 20.12.2012 12:01, Kevin Grignon wrote: snip Armin, Great enhancement. In fact this is in the UX backlog. Yes, it is, but we need to discuss it and someone has to do it ;-) Let's use some mockups to make it real. This will help the discussion and drive an owner. Please have a look at my initial proposal, there are mockups. HTH! Kevin Regards, Kevin Sincerely, Armin -- ALG -- ALG
Re: Identifiable and customizable color groups ? (Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially
Hi Armin,
On 20.12.2012 12:09, Armin Le Grand wrote:
On 20.12.2012 12:01, Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) wrote:
snip
This is an interesting view at the different color groups! It would be
great, if the UI would be
able to distinguish those groups and gives hints to which group a color
belongs to when hovering
over the colors.
Such an approach might also allow for defining additional custom groups
(e.g. a group for the CI of
an organization, various groups of colors for different projects, purposes,
etc.). Of course, there
would be a need then for importing, editing, removing such customized color
groups. [The same might
be interesting to do with predefined gradient fill patterns.]
This was not my intent, but is a good idea! For now there will not be the
time to do something
like that ('Palette-management' ?!), but I would ask you to file a feature
task so that this will
not get lost. This does not guarantee that someone finds the time or it will
be done (as you
probably know ;-)), but it can be found and refered to..
Sure, I understand.
But, if you had some time free at your fingertips, sometimes ...
;-)
---
Here is the requested RFE/issue:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121521.
Best regards
---rony
Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially
Hello; Despite being so subjective, this is an extremely interesting subject. I went googling around the subject and it is quite important, I mean, there are experts that work on this stuff. For example, these guys will let you obtain a palette from a picture: http://www.degraeve.com/color-palette/index.php The first list of colors used as a basis for WWW standards were actually taken from the X11 palette: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X11_color_names If we were to adhere to some standard I guess that would be the starting point. Nevertheless, this is a matter that is far from being standardized. Looking at Symphony: I like the color palette but it still can be improved. If you slide over the colors you can see names and while some are descriptive, most are not (cyan1, cyan 2) There are certainly color professionals out there that have considered this and some colors are popular enough to have a name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors_(compact) I would suggest that we do take initially the Symphony palette but attempt to replace most unnamed colors with something that can be identified by name in either of the lists above. It's a lot of work and I am not volunteering though :(. regards, Pedro. Da: Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com A: dev@openoffice.apache.org Inviato: Giovedì 20 Dicembre 2012 5:45 Oggetto: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially Hi List, Talking about palettes is always difficult - at the end, it's a question of taste. Nonetheless, we need a palette which is by default installed with the office. You all know the current one (for years ;-)) which I think is far from optimal. Thus, I analyzed the current one and want to share my findings. From that, I want to propose a change for our next release. Also probably not optimal, but optimal in this field depends on the user's eye and cannot be met by a single palette anyways. Talking about palettes is also difficult since you need to 'see' something - pictures say more than words. To make that easier, I have prepared some data. Please look at A Impress document containing two slides (http://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette.odp) The two slides as png's for convenience (http://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette.png, http://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette2.png) The following thext refers to figures there, so please take a look to see what the text is about (...if you want to continue reading ;-)) The current (old?) AOO Palette, It's made up of five groups (from my perspective): (a) The 16 VGA colors: These come originally from the times where only 16 colors were possible and are in hex color notation exactly all eight combinations of red/green/blue on or off, plus these in half intensity. It *had* technical reasons, but these colors do not have any special meaning for the user today (well, for the programmer). Anyways, they are a result of old technical limitations. I think they are ugly and lead to ugly results when using them directly (but that's my impression). (b) The 'Main' Colors: 56 colors which try to build up to eight gradient-stepped ranges, e.g. orange. These ranges are *not* equidistantly spread, but somewhat wild/random (see e.g. the reds). I do not know where they historically come from, but I guess they were done by a deveoper at these days. There are some nice colors among them, but not too many. I always search for useful colors there (c) The Pale colors: These seem to be younger than the others, may have to do historically with the StarOffice 5.2 color theme, but I'm not sure. Not too bad, not too good a selection. A group of seven colors which form a nice kind of 'schema' and make your presentation look 'acceptable' when using them together. (d) The Chart colors: 12 colors used in the new chart module written some years ago. AFAIK these were added at that time especially to support the user having colors at hand corresponding to the default chart colors. Nice. Useful. (e) 'Nice' Colors: A sub-group from (b). One is fix, it's the mentioned 'Blue 9' which is currently the default color for objects and has to be in the palette. I personally like (and often use) 'Blue Gray'. These are a question of taste, I would reccomend the named ones, but we need to collect 'your' favorites here. Keep in mind to keep this number low (probably 4-5) and do not forget that the color you like were not choosen freely, but *because* you were limited to the offered ones, so it might be a compromize you are just used to. Quite a mix. I compared it with Syphony's palette and there completely new colors are used. One interesting aspect are the white/gray/black ones: In our current palette these are divided between (a) (black, white and two grays) and (b) (the rest, gray 80% .. gray 20%). This is of course because the first four grays are technically in the old VGA palette. I more than once were
Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially
Da: Pedro Giffuni Hello; Despite being so subjective, this is an extremely interesting subject. I went googling around the subject and it is quite important, I mean, there are experts that work on this stuff. For example, these guys will let you obtain a palette from a picture: http://www.degraeve.com/color-palette/index.php The first list of colors used as a basis for WWW standards were actually taken from the X11 palette: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X11_color_names If we were to adhere to some standard I guess that would be the starting point. Nevertheless, this is a matter that is far from being standardized. Looking at Symphony: I like the color palette but it still can be improved. If you slide over the colors you can see names and while some are descriptive, most are not (cyan1, cyan 2) There are certainly color professionals out there that have considered this and some colors are popular enough to have a name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors_(compact) I would suggest that we do take initially the Symphony palette but attempt to replace most unnamed colors with something that can be identified by name in either of the lists above. It's a lot of work and I am not volunteering though :(. Just following the last link Perhaps just sorting this list by hex value would provide a complete palette for any use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors regards, Pedro.
Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially
Hi Pedro, On 20.12.2012 16:21, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hello; Despite being so subjective, this is an extremely interesting subject. I went googling around the subject and it is quite important, I mean, there are experts that work on this stuff. For example, these guys will let you obtain a palette from a picture: http://www.degraeve.com/color-palette/index.php Yes, experts. Colors are a wide area... Nice links, Pedro! The first list of colors used as a basis for WWW standards were actually taken from the X11 palette: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X11_color_names If we were to adhere to some standard I guess that would be the starting point. Nevertheless, this is a matter that is far from being standardized. Looking at Symphony: I like the color palette but it still can be improved. If you slide over the colors you can see names and while some are descriptive, most are not (cyan1, cyan 2) There are certainly color professionals out there that have considered this and some colors are popular enough to have a name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors_(compact) Good idea. I already thought about having a central place in the office with all known named colors (e.g. the Colors in the SVG standard, already in svgio module for example). The problem is that there are 24 million colors (0xff^3). Despite that, there may be serveral names per color. Despite that, the names are not translated. Are color names translatable...? I would suggest that we do take initially the Symphony palette but attempt to replace most unnamed colors with something that can be identified by name in either of the lists above. It's a lot of work and I am not volunteering though :(. I follow that suggestion: For now, let's use the (extended, see proposal) Symphony palette, but make a follow-up to find better color names. In the long run supporting multiple palettes (as Rony suggested, too) will be unavoidable I think; there are sooo many interesting colors, alone following your links and all the slightly different tones of white. And all that is only in RGB color space... regards, Pedro. Sincerely, Armin -- ALG
Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially
- Messaggio originale - Da: Armin Le Grand Hi Pedro, On 20.12.2012 16:21, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hello; ... Looking at Symphony: I like the color palette but it still can be improved. If you slide over the colors you can see names and while some are descriptive, most are not (cyan1, cyan 2) There are certainly color professionals out there that have considered this and some colors are popular enough to have a name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors_(compact) Good idea. I already thought about having a central place in the office with all known named colors (e.g. the Colors in the SVG standard, already in svgio module for example). The problem is that there are 24 million colors (0xff^3). Despite that, there may be serveral names per color. Despite that, the names are not translated. Are color names translatable...? Hmm.. there are indeed a lot of named colors: I thought I was looking at the complete list but it was only A-M. Yes, color names are translatable but even online translation services should give acceptable results. Good thing there are international volunteers that can help :). I would suggest that we do take initially the Symphony palette but attempt to replace most unnamed colors with something that can be identified by name in either of the lists above. It's a lot of work and I am not volunteering though :(. I follow that suggestion: For now, let's use the (extended, see proposal) Symphony palette, but make a follow-up to find better color names. Great! In the long run supporting multiple palettes (as Rony suggested, too) will be unavoidable I think; there are sooo many interesting colors, alone following your links and all the slightly different tones of white. And all that is only in RGB color space... Maybe we should start taking color seriously some day and play with something like CMS ;). http://www.littlecms.com/ cheers, Pedro.
Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially
Armin Le Grand wrote: the names are not translated. Are color names translatable...? Sure; we had the infamous Soylent Green incident, for example: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.devel.localization/11766 I follow that suggestion: For now, let's use the (extended, see proposal) Symphony palette, but make a follow-up to find better color names. Just don't be too creative with names, since translation volunteers won't see the actual colors when translating, but only the names! Regards, Andrea.
Request Mwiki account
I'd like to request an MWiki account. User names (in order of preference): m.dv mdv abelinux Thanks! Regards, Manuel
Is support for legacy file formats saved?
Hello! LO has removed all files with the 4.0 up to and including StarOffice 5.2 support. LO 4.0 with the old files can no longer work. What is the plan in AOO? Will there be support for this in the future too? Best regards R.Lehmeier
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
My general consensus based on all the comments... 1. I think that there is no need to change the current OpenOffice orb because of two reasons. The first the current design it's the best logo that the project put forward since its inception and actually gave the project logo a premium feel and has become the user's neumonic device to identify the AOO project (OpenOffice in general). The second reason is that the current logo design is simple, modern, and easy on the eyes, the only way I can think to improve the orb is by adding a bezel which to me fits nicely because it represents an office suite that brings together everything you'll need to get the job done. 2. As for the application squares, I think we have something here that can be changed maybe the issue is with the shape. Let's see what I can think off... I plan to have further proposals shortly. Again thanks to all the positive feedback on the logo. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 9:41 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 20 December 2012 15:28, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/20 janI j...@apache.org I am also no desgner, and like the more fresh look. However I showed to a friend visiting, and the first reaction was...oooh AOO is already ready for windows8, it seems that the 4 squares (not identical) are used quite a lot inside windows8. Indeed, this is a problem: even if last time I used a windows machine was several years ago the immediate reaction to the squares was this looks like a MS logo (the rest of the logo is just fine). A different approach could be the use of a gradient instead of the blue for the orb fill: let the orb with its actual shape, no metal border and no squares, but fill it with a gradient that displays all the colours of AOO apps. (The image is clear on my mind, but I lack the skills to build it). On a related note: another image clear in my mind is a version of the orb build not with a continuous background, but with small text written on several languages and several scrips, to stress that AOO is for everyone, on every language. Something like an ASCII art logo. +1 If that can be done...it would be a winner !! Regards Ricardo If that is the case, we should change itmaybe not use squares but e.g. balloons. We also have to remember that it must be convertable (or redrawn) as a favicon, that is only 16x16. thanks for taking time to make the proposal, and despite my concerns it is the best I have seen so far ! Jan. On 20 December 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/20/12 6:14 AM, Shenfeng Liu wrote: imacat, Your comments are so professional! :-) Personally I like this logo design more comparing to other candidates in wiki https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations . Thanks Michael! While we may also want to update the app icon design as the next step for consistent LF... I think Michaels proposal is the beginning of hopefully more. I personally see a reused old orb + some new elements. But the squares remind me to windows and the colors don't fit really together from my point of view. We should think about something really new and fresh with or without the gulls. We should think for what OpenOffice and Apache stands for - free office software for the public good - for many million users all over the world - many languages - We should think about something that can maybe visualize some of these attributes and can transport the message in one or multiple combined graphical elements. Too bad that I am no designer, but I will try to think about ideas and will at least share my ideas with you. Juergen - Shenfeng (Simon) 2012/12/20 imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw Some honest thoughts: 1. These flat 3D plates feel a little weird. The lights of the plates has the focus effect, but the lights of the plates have not. 2. I cannot see the connection of these plates with our four components easily, as the colors of Writer, Calc, Impress and Base are not Blue, Orange, Green and Purple. And we have other components such as Math and Draw. 3. The directions of the lights are contradictory. The lights of the orb come from above, while the lights of the plates (and also the plate of the orb) come from right. But still, thanks you very much for this great effort. On 2012/12/20 09:33, Michael Acevedo said: Greetings to the AOO Team! Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've decided to get back in touch with the AOO community. First, congratulations to
[QA] my tag [AW080] in Bugzilla
Hi all, please do not wonder about the tag [AW080] in bugzilla. Those issues are about the branch AW080 from Armin. They contain problems I have found and I have submitted them as bugs as reminder. So they are documented and can be tested later on. Feel free to add your results with branch AW080 same way. Kind regards Regina
Re: reference
Is there example of valid code for a combobox macro at Database Form?
is a bug ?
to execute command soffice --headless --acept=socket,port=8100;urp; i get fontconfig warning /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/fonts/truetype/fc_local.conf line 13: having multiple family in alias ins't supported and may not works as expected the command run fine -- *Galileo Teco Juarez* *Web:* http://80bits.wordpress.com *Twitter:* @genitalico http://twitter.com/genitalico *Linkedin:* http://mx.linkedin.com/pub/galileo-teco-ju%C3%A1rez/30/690/797
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
I really like the pinwheel...and combine it with the suggestion of replacing the flat color with small text, would just make it perfect. I also think it is ok, that blue is in 3d and the pins flats, that seems quite natural to me. Jan. On 20 December 2012 19:51, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: On 2012/12/20 13:06, Michael Acevedo said: Here's my personal insight on the logo decisions when it comes to the amount of squares and coloring scheme. The first is that I tried for hours how to integrate six squares into the logo and the problem that arose was that the logo looked too crowded. As a result I had to strike a compromise, pick the four applications or modules that embody an office suite in general which are the word processor, spreadsheet, presentation module, and database creator. OpenOffice is the only office suite that comes to memory that does have a formula editor and a radically unique graphics drawing program (closest analogue is Microsoft Publisher but Draw is a different animal). I see. But there are other ways of representing the OpenOffice components instead of the square boxes. I tried to make some as attached, although they are not finished works. Please forgive me that I'm not a designer. We can have a more lively design than square boxes. We can give up this idea of showing the components if that is too difficult. But for some people, draw is more important than base. It is simply not right to show only four components. Moving now to the color scheme, the colors for the squares that represent the office suite core components were inspired upon the AOO start center which has icons for the word, spreadsheet, presentation, and database modules. If you look closely, each of the icons there have a color code, the Writer document icon has blue accents, Calc document icon has green accents, Impress icon has orange accents, and the Base icon has violet accents. Therefore, it was a logical decision to color the squares accordingly. I know, but these colors do not match the colors of the components. That's why I said for the missing connection between the components and the colors. Writer is silver-blue, not blue. Base is dark red, not purple. Seeing the colors on the four plates cannot remind people about our four components. When it comes to the lighting of the logo... I beg to differ. I'll need to sleep over that to see whether or not it is worth considering tweaking the lighting. In my honest opinion, I think the current lighting works fine for the logo. Please sleep well and take care of yourself. We do not have to stick on the lights of the orb. My original point was about the contrary between the lights and the view angle of the orb and the plates. I did not mean the plates need to follow the orb. I just meant that the logo needs a consistent look and feel, consistent lights and view angles. Or it is simply just not right. If the orb is 3-D with the focused light, all other parts has to be 3-D with focused light. If the plate is flat, all other parts has to be flat. Actually, we may give up or tweak the orb when necessary. If we have to retain the old design for every logo revision, the only thing we can do is adding. Then, we will have a very complicated logo in less than 3 years. That is not right for the design work. I personally like the 3-D and focused light effect. If it is too hard to apply the 3-D and focused light effect on other parts of the logo, we can simply remove the existing lights and apply new light and view angle on everything. The only point is consistent. Thanks for the feedback. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:31 PM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: Some honest thoughts: 1. These flat 3D plates feel a little weird. The lights of the plates has the focus effect, but the lights of the plates have not. 2. I cannot see the connection of these plates with our four components easily, as the colors of Writer, Calc, Impress and Base are not Blue, Orange, Green and Purple. And we have other components such as Math and Draw. 3. The directions of the lights are contradictory. The lights of the orb come from above, while the lights of the plates (and also the plate of the orb) come from right. But still, thanks you very much for this great effort. On 2012/12/20 09:33, Michael Acevedo said: Greetings to the AOO Team! Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've decided to get back in touch with the AOO community. First, congratulations to the AOO team on a successful graduation into a top-level Apache project from the Apache Incubator. Now the reason on why I am writing this email is to formally submit a logo proposal for the next version of the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo. Previously, I submitted an initial logo on
Re: Google+ Community
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Maurice Howe maur...@stny.rr.com wrote: Hmmm. Got a 404 error msg. The long URL wrapped to another line, which confusing some mail clients. You can try this shorter URL: http://s.apache.org/aoo-gpc Regards, -Rob Do we want to highlight the google + community vis a vis the web home page instead of just the Google + we have now? or have both? and, if so, how to differentiate? Maurice Howe -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 6:12 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: market...@openoffice.apache.org; us...@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Google+ Community A follow up from a previous note. We have a new Google+ Community set up for Apache OpenOffice. You are welcome to join: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/114598373874764163668/communities/103683488250 592271079 We've been beta testing it for a couple of weeks with a smaller group. One advantage, compared to the users mailing list, is the ease of sharing images. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5965 - Release Date: 12/16/12 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
Here's an additional logo proposal. It has four different designs. Hope you like them. On Thursday, December 20, 2012, janI wrote: I really like the pinwheel...and combine it with the suggestion of replacing the flat color with small text, would just make it perfect. I also think it is ok, that blue is in 3d and the pins flats, that seems quite natural to me. Jan. On 20 December 2012 19:51, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: On 2012/12/20 13:06, Michael Acevedo said: Here's my personal insight on the logo decisions when it comes to the amount of squares and coloring scheme. The first is that I tried for hours how to integrate six squares into the logo and the problem that arose was that the logo looked too crowded. As a result I had to strike a compromise, pick the four applications or modules that embody an office suite in general which are the word processor, spreadsheet, presentation module, and database creator. OpenOffice is the only office suite that comes to memory that does have a formula editor and a radically unique graphics drawing program (closest analogue is Microsoft Publisher but Draw is a different animal). I see. But there are other ways of representing the OpenOffice components instead of the square boxes. I tried to make some as attached, although they are not finished works. Please forgive me that I'm not a designer. We can have a more lively design than square boxes. We can give up this idea of showing the components if that is too difficult. But for some people, draw is more important than base. It is simply not right to show only four components. Moving now to the color scheme, the colors for the squares that represent the office suite core components were inspired upon the AOO start center which has icons for the word, spreadsheet, presentation, and database modules. If you look closely, each of the icons there have a color code, the Writer document icon has blue accents, Calc document icon has green accents, Impress icon has orange accents, and the Base icon has violet accents. Therefore, it was a logical decision to color the squares accordingly. I know, but these colors do not match the colors of the components. That's why I said for the missing connection between the components and the colors. Writer is silver-blue, not blue. Base is dark red, not purple. Seeing the colors on the four plates cannot remind people about our four components. When it comes to the lighting of the logo... I beg to differ. I'll need to sleep over that to see whether or not it is worth considering tweaking the lighting. In my honest opinion, I think the current lighting works fine for the logo. Please sleep well and take care of yourself. We do not have to stick on the lights of the orb. My original point was about the contrary between the lights and the view angle of the orb and the plates. I did not mean the plates need to follow the orb. I just meant that the logo needs a consistent look and feel, consistent lights and view angles. Or it is simply just not right. If the orb is 3-D with the focused light, all other parts has to be 3-D with focused light. If the plate is flat, all other parts has to be flat. Actually, we may give up or tweak the orb when necessary. If we have to retain the old design for every logo revision, the only thing we can do is adding. Then, we will have a very complicated logo in less than 3 years. That is not right for the design work. I personally like the 3-D and focused light effect. If it is too hard to apply the 3-D and focused light effect on other parts of the logo, we can simply remove the existing lights and apply new light and view angle on everything. The only point is consistent. Thanks for the feedback. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:31 PM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: Some honest thoughts: 1. These flat 3D plates feel a little weird. The lights of the -- Best, Michael
Re: Apache Open Office 3.4.1
Deban-- I'm not sure what the problem was for you, but you might just try getting the latest version directly from our download page: http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html and then installing it. If you have more problems, you might try contacting the User Forums for additional help. http://forum.openoffice.org/ On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Deb deba...@yahoo.com wrote: I got a message to download and install this new version. It unpacked, then I clicked Next and it sait install would take :several minutes but I see a progress bar with no motion at all and wait for over an hour with no progress at all. I have Windows 7 and use firefox browser. Please help me get this Open Office update. You make it so difficult. deba...@yahoo.com -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: Native lang, pootle information needs changes...
On 20/12/2012 janI wrote: http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html We should however really change the wording of 6), today it sounds as if we do not care about reviewing the translations. If it gives that impression, it must be changed. Note that the review we are talking about there is the review of the PO files by someone else, not the re-reading by the same translator or the QA that translators will be make on the test builds. We should also add a specific point about review requirements. Whatever we add, keep in mind the case of translation teams made by one person only. We will still demand quality in that case, but we cannot count on peer review. [Juergen] if all necessary information is available on http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html and should change the wiki to point to this pages. Or we should simply update the wiki which is easier to maintain and should link to this. The Tips for translators section can surely be moved to the wiki. It doesn't overlap much with the Pootle information there, since it describes offline work. Such info should contain tips and tricks what to do and what not, for example never change id's or hid's or hrefs. Today it took me 2 hours to fix many of these mistakes in a new prepared sdf file. The errors are in the po files and we should try to minimize such problems. These are definitely Tips for translators, so let's just move the section to the wiki and complete it (actually, point 4 already gives some information on this). Regards, Andrea.
Re: [Release candicate] mwiki, test
On 12/20/2012 16:44, janI wrote: Can anybody give me a link to a couple of pages with intensive math ?? I have math running in my local version, when I search for math I get 1 hit, and that page displays ok. thx in advance jan http://wikitest.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Reference/Math_commands has many but very simple math commands. All seem to be working fine. My user page has one example. It's working fine. With the removal of the F*CK editor, the preview before first edit preference now works fine. Very glad to have that back. /tj/
I broke the windows build :(
Hmm.. It looks like my recent update of libxml2 broke the build in Windows. Before reverting, anyone has details of the breakage? The buildbot is not especific at all. Thanks and sorry, Pedro.
Re: I broke the windows build :(
I found it.. it's an upstream bug. I will fix it in half an hour or so. cheers, Pedro. Da: Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org A: dev@openoffice.apache.org Inviato: Venerdì 21 Dicembre 2012 0:29 Oggetto: I broke the windows build :( Hmm.. It looks like my recent update of libxml2 broke the build in Windows. Before reverting, anyone has details of the breakage? The buildbot is not especific at all. Thanks and sorry, Pedro.
Re: Is support for legacy file formats saved?
On 12/20/12 8:17 PM, Ralf Lehmeier wrote: Hello! LO has removed all files with the 4.0 up to and including StarOffice 5.2 support. LO 4.0 with the old files can no longer work. What is the plan in AOO? Will there be support for this in the future too? no, we plan to drop these old formats as well. This was planned since a long time for OpenOffice and even long before go-oo was renamed in LO. The reason is a technical one, the filter code have to be maintained in a special library and it is always a lot of work, especially when you want to do some core changes. The usage of the old formats is rather seldom and you can use any OpenOffice version 4.0 to convert any of these files in a newer format which is recommended anyway. Juergen
A Small Quest, and Merry Christmas!
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