Re: Naming and Trademark Concerns
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On May 28, 2013, at 3:03 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 5/28/13 4:12 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On May 27, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi - I just now reviewed Jürgen's latest snapshot build and I have some trademark concerns. The current UI and Help file seem to be out of Apache Branding policy[1][2] in two ways. (1) The most prominent use of the brand in many place is OpenOffice when it ought to be Apache OpenOffice. This is the case in many places throughout the UI and Help files. Can you give some examples? I agree we need concrete examples. We discussed the usage of OpenOffice instead of Apache OpenOffice her eon the list weeks/month ago. I am wondering why this pops up now. Understood. I took some time to search for uses of productname and there are a large number. Let's just say that I am bringing it up now so that we can start on it early for 4.1. We can add a shortproductname and choose when we say Apache OpenOffice and OpenOffice. We need to do this in a way that helps the ASF and the AOO PMC defend the brand. Since this is large let's let this happen immediately after the 4.0 release. Let it be a branding effort, call it 4.1. The intro and about clearly state Apache OpenOffice. Many other occurrences are simply OpenOffice, the term that all use normally. Let's pay attention to these screens as we update to the new logo and the below: (2) There is no trademark attribution in the application UI. What exactly do you have in mind? We can add or change the intro image to ## Apache, the Apache feather logo, and OpenOffice are trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation. OpenOffice.org and the seagull logo are registered trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation. Other names appearing on the site may be trademarks of their respective owners. ## maybe we can add a short form to the start center but I am not sure. I have never seen it in a prominent place in an application. Yes it can be something like this maybe a fourth tab. Trademarks on the dialog with Readme, License, and Notices. Since it is is legalese it can always be in English. Is this what you mean? If so, good. We also should write TM and Copyright on the About. But we can for sure add an untranslated version in the about box and the intro How can I help? Regards, Dave For anyone's information, the relevant discussion on this is here: http://markmail.org/message/uzml36utq744as6q Juergen I'm willing to help mitigate these issues if someone wants to point me towards the correct action. Regards, Dave [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html [2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- MzK You can't believe one thing and do another. What you believe and what you do are the same thing. -- Leonard Peltier
Re: Naming and Trademark Concerns
On 5/28/13 4:12 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On May 27, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi - I just now reviewed Jürgen's latest snapshot build and I have some trademark concerns. The current UI and Help file seem to be out of Apache Branding policy[1][2] in two ways. (1) The most prominent use of the brand in many place is OpenOffice when it ought to be Apache OpenOffice. This is the case in many places throughout the UI and Help files. Can you give some examples? I agree we need concrete examples. We discussed the usage of OpenOffice instead of Apache OpenOffice her eon the list weeks/month ago. I am wondering why this pops up now. The intro and about clearly state Apache OpenOffice. Many other occurrences are simply OpenOffice, the term that all use normally. (2) There is no trademark attribution in the application UI. What exactly do you have in mind? We can add or change the intro image to ## Apache, the Apache feather logo, and OpenOffice are trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation. OpenOffice.org and the seagull logo are registered trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation. Other names appearing on the site may be trademarks of their respective owners. ## maybe we can add a short form to the start center but I am not sure. I have never seen it in a prominent place in an application. But we can for sure add an untranslated version in the about box and the intro Juergen I'm willing to help mitigate these issues if someone wants to point me towards the correct action. Regards, Dave [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html [2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Naming and Trademark Concerns
On May 28, 2013, at 3:03 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 5/28/13 4:12 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On May 27, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi - I just now reviewed Jürgen's latest snapshot build and I have some trademark concerns. The current UI and Help file seem to be out of Apache Branding policy[1][2] in two ways. (1) The most prominent use of the brand in many place is OpenOffice when it ought to be Apache OpenOffice. This is the case in many places throughout the UI and Help files. Can you give some examples? I agree we need concrete examples. We discussed the usage of OpenOffice instead of Apache OpenOffice her eon the list weeks/month ago. I am wondering why this pops up now. Understood. I took some time to search for uses of productname and there are a large number. Let's just say that I am bringing it up now so that we can start on it early for 4.1. We can add a shortproductname and choose when we say Apache OpenOffice and OpenOffice. We need to do this in a way that helps the ASF and the AOO PMC defend the brand. Since this is large let's let this happen immediately after the 4.0 release. Let it be a branding effort, call it 4.1. The intro and about clearly state Apache OpenOffice. Many other occurrences are simply OpenOffice, the term that all use normally. Let's pay attention to these screens as we update to the new logo and the below: (2) There is no trademark attribution in the application UI. What exactly do you have in mind? We can add or change the intro image to ## Apache, the Apache feather logo, and OpenOffice are trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation. OpenOffice.org and the seagull logo are registered trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation. Other names appearing on the site may be trademarks of their respective owners. ## maybe we can add a short form to the start center but I am not sure. I have never seen it in a prominent place in an application. Yes it can be something like this maybe a fourth tab. Trademarks on the dialog with Readme, License, and Notices. Since it is is legalese it can always be in English. Is this what you mean? If so, good. We also should write TM and Copyright on the About. But we can for sure add an untranslated version in the about box and the intro How can I help? Regards, Dave Juergen I'm willing to help mitigate these issues if someone wants to point me towards the correct action. Regards, Dave [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html [2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Naming and Trademark Concerns
Hi - I just now reviewed Jürgen's latest snapshot build and I have some trademark concerns. The current UI and Help file seem to be out of Apache Branding policy[1][2] in two ways. (1) The most prominent use of the brand in many place is OpenOffice when it ought to be Apache OpenOffice. This is the case in many places throughout the UI and Help files. (2) There is no trademark attribution in the application UI. I'm willing to help mitigate these issues if someone wants to point me towards the correct action. Regards, Dave [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html [2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Naming and Trademark Concerns
On May 27, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi - I just now reviewed Jürgen's latest snapshot build and I have some trademark concerns. The current UI and Help file seem to be out of Apache Branding policy[1][2] in two ways. (1) The most prominent use of the brand in many place is OpenOffice when it ought to be Apache OpenOffice. This is the case in many places throughout the UI and Help files. Can you give some examples? (2) There is no trademark attribution in the application UI. I'm willing to help mitigate these issues if someone wants to point me towards the correct action. Regards, Dave [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html [2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
