[digitalradio] Re: CLOVER 2000 vs. WINLINK 2000
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rick W mrf...@... wrote: Hi Scott, Clover 2000 (circa 1995) is a wide bandwidth version of Clover II (circa 1992) and is may be used by a few agencies. It uses proprietary hardware/firmware similar to Pactor 2 and 3 with 8 tones at a baud rate of 62.5. I don't know if it is still used by American Red Cross, but at one time they were advertised as using it. The modem cost in 2007 was $1500, so it is not something you would find on the ham bands unless someone had it available to them from some other source. HAL sells Clover Mail software, but this is very expensive, like most HAL products, and probably is intended between two users. Winlink 2000 is system of various protocols that can be used on VHF using packet radio, or HF using Pactor. Clover II used to be used along with Pactor on the Winlink world wide HF BBS system, but this was phased out when they transitioned to the Winlink 2000 e-mail system. So Clover 2000 is more of a hardware/firmware modem and Winlink 2000 is a system using several protocols although the proprietary HF modems are quite costly. A new sound card approach is being developed, but is not yet ready for deployment. 73, Rick, KV9U scottfike71 wrote: I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between two global HF e-mail systems and need some help. What is the advantages and disadvantages and differences between CLOVER 2000 and WINLINK 2000? Why would I invest in a CLOVER 2000 setup versus a WINLINK 2000 setup? Any and all comments appreciated. Thanks, KC0BUS So, from what you are saying, it sounds to me like with a CLOVER 2000 setup there needs to be two users with the same HAL modem and same HAL e-mail software, and only then they can pass e-mail back and forth to each other only and not to and from the internet? With such a setup, can one user forward an e-mail from his buddy onto the internet some way?
Re: [digitalradio] Re: CLOVER 2000 vs. WINLINK 2000
No one I know uses the HAL product, but it appears from their web information that they have several software packages that can provide peer to peer mail, chat, and gateway to the internet. Since the cost is prohibitive for casual amateur use, it is unlikely that you will find others to connect with. Also, I did not find Clover II to be all that good for weak signals and Clover 2000 is doubling the number of tones, using a much wider footprint, and doubling the speed of the tones. If you needed an automated e-mail connection, the Winlink 2000 system would be the only practical one for right now, with PSKmail as an alternative since it looks like a full functioning Windows system is being developed in addition to the current Linux version. Unlike Winlink 2000, PSKmail has additional peer to peer features and avoids the overly centralized nature of Winlink 2000 for HF server ad hoc capabilities. If PSKmail were to eventually adopt the WINMOR protocol or some other more robust protocol that could adjust for conditions, it could prove to be a very good solution to handling e-mail as well as local peer to peer connections. We are not quite there yet with the kinds of systems that I would like to see, but we are making some significant progress. 73, Rick, KV9U scottfike71 wrote: So, from what you are saying, it sounds to me like with a CLOVER 2000 setup there needs to be two users with the same HAL modem and same HAL e-mail software, and only then they can pass e-mail back and forth to each other only and not to and from the internet? With such a setup, can one user forward an e-mail from his buddy onto the internet some way?
[digitalradio] Paclink and KPC3+
Has anyone had issues using Paclink with a KPC3+? All seemed fine for about 3 connects, but now Paclink can't talk to the TNC. I can talk to the TNC just fine with Hyper Terminal and Winlink and all are set to 9600 baud. Will do a re-istall to see how that goes, but curious if anyone else experienced trouble.
Re: [digitalradio] Paclink and KPC3+
We experienced the same thing this weekend at our EOC center, we are also going to do a fresh install and setup. Fred VE3FAL VE3ONN Ontario North ARES E.O.C On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:21:04 - dougjustham dougjust...@yahoo.com wrote: Has anyone had issues using Paclink with a KPC3+? All seemed fine for about 3 connects, but now Paclink can't talk to the TNC. I can talk to the TNC just fine with Hyper Terminal and Winlink and all are set to 9600 baud. Will do a re-istall to see how that goes, but curious if anyone else experienced trouble. Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Paclink and KPC3+
I have had issues with other programs and the KPC3+. In fact to the point that I gave it away and replaced it with a PK232. John, W0JAB At 09:21 AM 3/30/2009, you wrote: Has anyone had issues using Paclink with a KPC3+?
[digitalradio] Question about mail servers on HF
We'er going out in the RV for about two weeks, and would like to check my mail on yahoo.com: Question is there nay mail servers on the HF that I can check into and get my mail, and what program would I need for this to happen, any help ? Russell Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
[digitalradio] re sdr
hi to all in the group .. can any one tell me wer the white wire , or lead from the usb on the main softrock v.9 .board can any one please tell me wer i solder it to , as wen i was fitting it in a new box . it came of aand i dont no wer to or wat pin to solder it back on thanks
[digitalradio] dll file
please can somebody tell me wer i can find hb9tlk loop dll file please , as i have benn looking all afternoon for it . to no avail . it is supposed to be in the files on the softrock group but i cant find it ,,, durrr and can you please tell me wer to put it , or open it to ... thanks
Re: [digitalradio] Question about mail servers on HF
Hi Russel, The only solution I know that is capable of doing that is pskmail. You need to enable pop at yahoo but thats it. There is more info available here: http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/ 73 de Per, sm0rwo From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com To: Digital Radio digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:39:51 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Question about mail servers on HF We'er going out in the RV for about two weeks, and would like to check my mail on yahoo.com: Question is there nay mail servers on the HF that I can check into and get my mail, and what program would I need for this to happen, any help ? Russell Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell. Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
[digitalradio] Re: re sdr
Francis, have you tried posting this same question in the http://groups.yahoo.com/group/softrock40/ group? They specialize in this device and even have instruction files on all the softrock boards in the files section. John - KE5HAM --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, francisho...@... francisho...@... wrote: hi to all in the group .. can any one tell me wer the white wire , or lead from the usb on the main softrock v.9 .board can any one please tell me wer i solder it to , as wen i was fitting it in a new box . it came of aand i dont no wer to or wat pin to solder it back on thanks
Re: [digitalradio] Question about mail servers on HF
Russell, MultiPSK is able to send and received email via Winlink 2000 using its 141A (ALE) mode and one of the HFN pilot stations (see http://hflink.com) which are generally accessible on most HF bands throughout North America. MultiPSK will also allow you to export all the received mail into Outlook Express and allow sending too. Throughput is nowhere near as fast as Pactor-III but it does work and for important messages is an acceptable solution that doesn't require an external/expensive proprietary modem. In time perhaps the WINMOR mode will be the best solution to your problem but it's still in development. As Per said, definitely look into PSKMail too. Perhaps a combination of PSKMail and WL2K ALE could work for you? For high volume or non-amateur commercial email you would be better thinking about wifi, cellular and/or satellite internet for your RV. Guess it depends how far into the boonies you plan to go. 73 Sholto K7TMG Russell Blair wrote: We'er going out in the RV for about two weeks, and would like to check my mail on yahoo.com: Question is there nay mail servers on the HF that I can check into and get my mail, and what program would I need for this to happen, any help ? Russell Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell. Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] dll file
Hello hb9tlk loop.dll is available there: http://f6cte.free.fr/loop.dll 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: francisho...@btinternet.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: [digitalradio] dll file please can somebody tell me wer i can find hb9tlk loop dll file please , as i have benn looking all afternoon for it . to no avail . it is supposed to be in the files on the softrock group but i cant find it ,,, durrr and can you please tell me wer to put it , or open it to ... thanks Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] dll file
thanks patric . all i have to do now is find out wer tout the dll file in my multipsk .. thanks From: Patrick Lindecker f6...@free.fr To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 30 March, 2009 9:22:14 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] dll file Hello hb9tlk loop.dll is available there: http://f6cte. free.fr/loop. dll 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: francishodge@ btinternet. com To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: [digitalradio] dll file please can somebody tell me wer i can find hb9tlk loop dll file please , as i have benn looking all afternoon for it . to no avail . it is supposed to be in the files on the softrock group but i cant find it ,,, durrr and can you please tell me wer to put it , or open it to ... thanks - - -- Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensw eb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] dll file
Hello Francis,
This dll is to be used with the SdR program (the decoding program will be
connected to the SdR program through the dll).
Now, if the goal is to use Multipsk, the best is to take profit of the direct
RX/TX SdR interface available in the 4.13 version:
I/Q direct interface via the sound card, for SdR transceivers
An I/Q demodulator/modulator (RX/TX) is now directly integered to Multipsk.
This one permits to receive on a 48, 96 or 192 KHz KHz bandwidth (-96 to 96
KHz) any USB or LSB transmission.
From the SdR waterfall, the user will select the desired bandwidth which will
be transfered to the main waterfall where possible digital transmissions in
USB or LSB will be decoded.
The transmission will be done on the same frequency that the one selected for
reception.
In particular, it will permit to do ARQ modes (Packet, ALE...) with a SdR
transceiver without timing problems (due to latencies in transmissions between
the SdR and the decoding program).
73
Patrick
- Original Message -
From: FRANCIS HODGE
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] dll file
thanks patric . all i have to do now is find out wer tout the dll file in my
multipsk .. thanks
--
From: Patrick Lindecker f6...@free.fr
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 30 March, 2009 9:22:14 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] dll file
Hello
hb9tlk loop.dll is available there:
http://f6cte. free.fr/loop. dll
73
Patrick
- Original Message -
From: francishodge@ btinternet. com
To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:21 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] dll file
please can somebody tell me wer i can find hb9tlk loop dll file please ,
as i have benn looking all afternoon for it . to no avail . it is
supposed to be in the files on the softrock group but i cant find it ,,,
durrr and can you please tell me wer to put it , or open it to ... thanks
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[digitalradio] Re: Paclink and KPC3+
Did fresh reinstall and still had issues. Accidentally had KPC#+ off when starting the connect process and turned it on after the Paclink displayed Comm Port Open and it set up fine. I tried over and over again and it seems to work fine if I wait to power the TNC on after the comm port is open. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, VE3FAL-Fred flesn...@... wrote: We experienced the same thing this weekend at our EOC center, we are also going to do a fresh install and setup. Fred VE3FAL VE3ONN Ontario North ARES E.O.C On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:21:04 - dougjustham dougjust...@... wrote: Has anyone had issues using Paclink with a KPC3+? All seemed fine for about 3 connects, but now Paclink can't talk to the TNC. I can talk to the TNC just fine with Hyper Terminal and Winlink and all are set to 9600 baud. Will do a re-istall to see how that goes, but curious if anyone else experienced trouble. Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links
[digitalradio] Paclink multi hops
anyone know a way to get paclink to connect to a Node 3 hops out? I am trying to connect to KC2LAS-10, bu it is 3 hops from me.
