Re: [digitalradio] ALE , J65, Pactor 1 thru ?, etc.
John, About the last person on earth that I would criticize for not operating would be Dave. I have no idea how he can do what he does with the creation and support for his DXLab suite of software which includes digital software as well. It is simply amazing. But even if any ham rarely operated on any modes, but mostly monitored, they would know quite well what is going on. Proper operation is very important to some of us. And the rules that hold true in one country, may not hold true in other countries. In fact, a group such as this one can help us understand that. It was only in the last few days that many of us even knew that some hams cannot use wide bandwidth modes on 30 meters that we can use here in the U.S. and you probably can in Canada. 73, Rick, KV9U John Bradley wrote: Allrighty, then! (climbing up on soapbox) I guess I am getting a little tired of these arguments about operating correctly. We all know the rules and most of us try to follow them. Sure, we screw up once in a while but so what? We learn for the next time. What bothers me more is that the folks who make the most noise and offer the most criticism of the modes Are not those who are using them. As an example, Dave, AA6YQ, has written numerous emails on digital radio Subjects, and yet I, for one have yet to work him in any digital mode, and I have been very active for the past number of years. I have meticulously checked all my logs, and surprise! No Dave. Everyone else is there, in fact many times over: Roger, Bonnie, Andy, Rick ,Jose, Txema and the list goes on, With many that I have missed mentioning who are active in this group. Just guessing, I would think that most folks have not come across Dave in their logs. Now that is not saying that Dave doesn’t have valid arguments- some of them are. I respectfully suggest, though That you get on these modes, get active and “walk a mile in our moccasins” to fully understand the nature of these modes. Ok Dave I’ll lend you the soapbox John VE5MU No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1046 - Release Date: 10/3/2007 10:08 AM Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] ALE , J65, Pactor 1 thru ?, etc.
I happened to see AA6YQ on the air on just last week on PSK31. I couldn't copy the other half but I believe the OM was asking him questions about dxlab. I was going to give a call but QSB set in. 73, Leigh/WA5ZNU On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 7:41 am, Rick KV9U wrote: About the last person on earth that I would criticize for not operating would be Dave. I have no idea how he can do what he does with the creation and support for his DXLab suite of software which includes digital software as well. It is simply amazing. ... John Bradley wrote: ... Are not those who are using them. As an example, Dave, AA6YQ, has written numerous emails on digital radio
Re: [digitalradio] ALE , J65, Pactor 1 thru ?, etc.
Hi Rick, I've discovered last week that we cannot in Canada transmit wider than 1 kHz on 30m. It's a shame. This band is often in those poor conditions months the only one opened to mid distant stations and as an HFN pilot station operator, that's a real problem for me and the stations that want to link to my station because sometimes it's the only they can link and in this band only due to conditions. So after sounding for 2 full months on 30m, i only scan it now. Luc VE2FXL - Original Message - From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE , J65, Pactor 1 thru ?, etc. John, About the last person on earth that I would criticize for not operating would be Dave. I have no idea how he can do what he does with the creation and support for his DXLab suite of software which includes digital software as well. It is simply amazing. But even if any ham rarely operated on any modes, but mostly monitored, they would know quite well what is going on. Proper operation is very important to some of us. And the rules that hold true in one country, may not hold true in other countries. In fact, a group such as this one can help us understand that. It was only in the last few days that many of us even knew that some hams cannot use wide bandwidth modes on 30 meters that we can use here in the U.S. and you probably can in Canada. 73, Rick, KV9U John Bradley wrote: Allrighty, then! (climbing up on soapbox) I guess I am getting a little tired of these arguments about operating correctly. We all know the rules and most of us try to follow them. Sure, we screw up once in a while but so what? We learn for the next time. What bothers me more is that the folks who make the most noise and offer the most criticism of the modes Are not those who are using them. As an example, Dave, AA6YQ, has written numerous emails on digital radio Subjects, and yet I, for one have yet to work him in any digital mode, and I have been very active for the past number of years. I have meticulously checked all my logs, and surprise! No Dave. Everyone else is there, in fact many times over: Roger, Bonnie, Andy, Rick ,Jose, Txema and the list goes on, With many that I have missed mentioning who are active in this group. Just guessing, I would think that most folks have not come across Dave in their logs. Now that is not saying that Dave doesn’t have valid arguments- some of them are. I respectfully suggest, though That you get on these modes, get active and “walk a mile in our moccasins” to fully understand the nature of these modes. Ok Dave I’ll lend you the soapbox John VE5MU No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1046 - Release Date: 10/3/2007 10:08 AM Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php Yahoo! Groups Links Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [digitalradio] ALE , J65, Pactor 1 thru ?, etc.
First of all , I am not a propeller head and am the first to admit so. My technical ability is limited to firing up my computer, installing whatever Software developed by people much more talented than I am, and using it on the air. I am heavily involved in emergency communications, hence my interest in digital modes. I teach emergency management and communications, Search and rescue team leader, and search management courses . I am a participant in all emergency training activities in our province, and have been called out numerous times to assist Fire Police and EMS over the past 15 years . I work under contract to the City of Regina, as the Director of Emergency Social services, co-ordinating the efforts of the City, Red Cross, Salvation Army, and private sector contractors to provide shelter for those unfortunate folks displaced by disasters. I have written and number of articles on Search and Rescue, as well as a SAR needs analysis for Saskatchewan Justice and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. My interest in these modes are to adapt them to emergency communications in our Province, in conjunction with ARES, so that we can rapidly pass traffic from remote locations to EOC's and reception centers. Our geography and population base makes the need for radio amateur communications an essential service using VHF, HF , and the internet. We have adopted several of these modes already and are looking forward to the development of an ARQ mode which will allow us an internet gateway without the need for an SCS modem. I and several other VE5's happily test these modes under a variety of conditions and provide feedback to the authors. I am also a hard-core rag chewer, and really enjoy getting on the air with one of these new modes and shooting the breeze, and am able to do so at the bottom of the solar cycle, and a very modest station, using the new digital modes. By your own admission, your operating experience with digital modes has not progressed beyond PSK31. There have been many improvements since then with people like Simon, Patrick, Pavel, Dmitry and many others pioneering new and very effective operating modes, some of which are proving to be almost as effective as CW in poor operating conditions ( as an example, Olivia) . I challenge you to try some of these new modes, and I and others would welcome your opinion of these new technologies. At the same time would encourage you to put some of your considerable technical ability into developing busy frequency software In cooperation with one of the authors, rather than simply complaining about it at every opportunity. John VE5MU From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:30 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Cc: Dave Bernstein AA6YQ Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ALE , J65, Pactor 1 thru ?, etc. First, John, I will point out that you have never provided a serious technical response to any of the points made regarding the importance of listening before transmitting, and the opportunity to enable polite, unattended operation via busy frequency detectors. You mostly snipe and make lame personal attacks, like this one. My primary log contains 22 keyboard-to-keyboard Pactor QSOs, ~500 PSK31 QSOs, ~150 PSK63 QSOs, and more than 2100 RTTY QSOs; I have 319 countries confirmed on RTTY. During operations from KH6, KP2, FJ, and V4, I've made another couple of hundred PSK31 QSOs and more than 600 RTTY QSOs. If you're so active, why aren't you in any of my logs? Besides DXing, I spend a fair amount of time developing and supporting WinWarbler, a member of the freeware DXLab Suite whose logging and transceiver control components are also used with MixW, MultiPSK, and DM780. I've also been supporting the ADIF specification for the past couple of years -- the standard used for interchange among logging applications and services like LotW and eQSL.cc. What's been your contribution, John? 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Bradley Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:09 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] ALE , J65, Pactor 1 thru ?, etc. Allrighty, then! (climbing up on soapbox) I guess I am getting a little tired of these arguments about operating correctly. We all know the rules and most of us try to follow them. Sure, we screw up once in a while but so what? We learn for the next time. What bothers me more is that the folks who make the most noise and offer the most criticism of the modes Are not those who are using them. As an example, Dave, AA6YQ, has written numerous emails on digital radio Subjects, and yet I, for one have yet to work him in any digital mode, and I have been very active for the past number of years. I have meticulously checked all my logs, and surprise! No Dave. Everyone else
[digitalradio] ALE , J65, Pactor 1 thru ?, etc.
Allrighty, then! (climbing up on soapbox) I guess I am getting a little tired of these arguments about operating correctly. We all know the rules and most of us try to follow them. Sure, we screw up once in a while but so what? We learn for the next time. What bothers me more is that the folks who make the most noise and offer the most criticism of the modes Are not those who are using them. As an example, Dave, AA6YQ, has written numerous emails on digital radio Subjects, and yet I, for one have yet to work him in any digital mode, and I have been very active for the past number of years. I have meticulously checked all my logs, and surprise! No Dave. Everyone else is there, in fact many times over: Roger, Bonnie, Andy, Rick ,Jose, Txema and the list goes on, With many that I have missed mentioning who are active in this group. Just guessing, I would think that most folks have not come across Dave in their logs. Now that is not saying that Dave doesn't have valid arguments- some of them are. I respectfully suggest, though That you get on these modes, get active and walk a mile in our moccasins to fully understand the nature of these modes. Ok Dave I'll lend you the soapbox John VE5MU
Re: [digitalradio] ALE , J65, Pactor 1 thru ?, etc.
John you forgot the Busy Channel Detection stuff. You should know that is the fix all for all QRM. John, W0JAB in the center of fly over country At 09:09 PM 10/2/2007, you wrote: Allrighty, then! (climbing up on soapbox) I guess I am getting a little tired of these arguments about operating correctly. We all know the rules and most of us try to follow them. Sure, we screw up once in a while but so what? We learn for the next time. What bothers me more is that the folks who make the most noise and offer the most criticism of the modes Are not those who are using them. As an example, Dave, AA6YQ, has written numerous emails on digital radio Subjects, and yet I, for one have yet to work him in any digital mode, and I have been very active for the past number of years. I have meticulously checked all my logs, and surprise! No Dave. Everyone else is there, in fact many times over: Roger, Bonnie, Andy, Rick ,Jose, Txema and the list goes on, With many that I have missed mentioning who are active in this group. Just guessing, I would think that most folks have not come across Dave in their logs. Now that is not saying that Dave doesnt have valid arguments- some of them are. I respectfully suggest, though That you get on these modes, get active and walk a mile in our moccasinsto fully understand the nature of these modes. Ok Dave Ill lend you the soapbox John VE5MU
RE: [digitalradio] ALE , J65, Pactor 1 thru ?, etc.
First, John, I will point out that you have never provided a serious technical response to any of the points made regarding the importance of listening before transmitting, and the opportunity to enable polite, unattended operation via busy frequency detectors. You mostly snipe and make lame personal attacks, like this one. My primary log contains 22 keyboard-to-keyboard Pactor QSOs, ~500 PSK31 QSOs, ~150 PSK63 QSOs, and more than 2100 RTTY QSOs; I have 319 countries confirmed on RTTY. During operations from KH6, KP2, FJ, and V4, I've made another couple of hundred PSK31 QSOs and more than 600 RTTY QSOs. If you're so active, why aren't you in any of my logs? Besides DXing, I spend a fair amount of time developing and supporting WinWarbler, a member of the freeware DXLab Suite whose logging and transceiver control components are also used with MixW, MultiPSK, and DM780. I've also been supporting the ADIF specification for the past couple of years -- the standard used for interchange among logging applications and services like LotW and eQSL.cc. What's been your contribution, John? 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Bradley Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:09 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] ALE , J65, Pactor 1 thru ?, etc. Allrighty, then! (climbing up on soapbox) I guess I am getting a little tired of these arguments about operating correctly. We all know the rules and most of us try to follow them. Sure, we screw up once in a while but so what? We learn for the next time. What bothers me more is that the folks who make the most noise and offer the most criticism of the modes Are not those who are using them. As an example, Dave, AA6YQ, has written numerous emails on digital radio Subjects, and yet I, for one have yet to work him in any digital mode, and I have been very active for the past number of years. I have meticulously checked all my logs, and surprise! No Dave. Everyone else is there, in fact many times over: Roger, Bonnie, Andy, Rick ,Jose, Txema and the list goes on, With many that I have missed mentioning who are active in this group. Just guessing, I would think that most folks have not come across Dave in their logs. Now that is not saying that Dave doesn't have valid arguments- some of them are. I respectfully suggest, though That you get on these modes, get active and walk a mile in our moccasins to fully understand the nature of these modes. Ok Dave I'll lend you the soapbox John VE5MU
