Re: [Elecraft] K2 S Meter - Fixed

2022-03-28 Thread Pete Meier via Elecraft
Got it fixed - All is good now. 

Pete
pmeier at me.com

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> Subject: [Elecraft] K2 help with S Meter Cal.
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S-meter adjustment

2018-08-27 Thread Don Wilhelm

Chris,

The CAL S LO and CAL S HI values are as you observed.

Turn the RF Gain to full clockwise, and remove the antenna.  Turn the 
preamp on.  Adjust CAL S LO first so there are no bargraph LEDs illuminated.
Then tune in an S-9 signal (preamp on or off, your choice), and adjust 
cal S HI for an S-9 indication in the bargraph.  Usually that value will 
be between 23 and 19.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/27/2018 2:13 PM, Chris Kimball wrote:

Thanks to Martin and Don.

Yep, the age setting had mysteriously advanced while in storage.

I had forgotten about the CAL submenu.  Messing with the settings got me
some more reasonable S-meter action. Apparently the S LO should be greater
than S HI in normal operation.

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S-meter adjustment

2018-08-27 Thread Chris Kimball
Thanks to Martin and Don.

Yep, the age setting had mysteriously advanced while in storage.  

I had forgotten about the CAL submenu.  Messing with the settings got me
some more reasonable S-meter action. Apparently the S LO should be greater
than S HI in normal operation.

Best wishes,

Chris
NQ8Z





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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S-meter adjustment

2018-08-27 Thread Don Wilhelm

Chris,

On older K2s, there is no adjustment for AGC Threshold kike is found 
with the newer ones which have a pot to set the AGC Threshold. R1 on the 
control board - which is normally adjusted to produce 3.8 volts at CB U2 
pin 5.


You can always set the CAL S LO menu parameter and CAL S HI to produce 
no bars with no signal and an S-9 indication with an S9 signal.  The 
latter is normally set with the preamp turned on, but preamp off can 
also be used.


We are in a sunspot low, so signals may not be as strong right now, 
particularly on the bands above 30 meters.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/27/2018 12:38 PM, Chris Kimball wrote:

Just took out the old K2 from storage and it works great, perhaps better than
my memory of how to us it!

Seems like the S-meter is insensitive.  With the Preamp on the meter works
as expected, but otherwise no indication at all, even for signals with very
good S/N.

Is there an adjustment or parameter change to make the S-meter more
sensitive?

Thanks,

Chris

NQ8Z



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S-meter adjustment

2018-08-27 Thread Martin Sole
Did you check the S meter calibration in the menu?

It could also be the age setting has moved a bit, I find mine is quite 
sensitive to that.

Martin, HS0ZED 


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> On 27 Aug 2018, at 23:38, Chris Kimball  wrote:
> 
> Just took out the old K2 from storage and it works great, perhaps better than
> my memory of how to us it!
> 
> Seems like the S-meter is insensitive.  With the Preamp on the meter works
> as expected, but otherwise no indication at all, even for signals with very
> good S/N.
> 
> Is there an adjustment or parameter change to make the S-meter more
> sensitive?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris 
> 
> NQ8Z
> 
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[Elecraft] K2 S-meter adjustment

2018-08-27 Thread Chris Kimball
Just took out the old K2 from storage and it works great, perhaps better than
my memory of how to us it!

Seems like the S-meter is insensitive.  With the Preamp on the meter works
as expected, but otherwise no indication at all, even for signals with very
good S/N.

Is there an adjustment or parameter change to make the S-meter more
sensitive?

Thanks,

Chris 

NQ8Z



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[Elecraft] K2 S-meter calibration (CW-CWRV-USB-LSB) ?

2013-07-05 Thread Behiels JeanPierre
Hi K2 builders;

I do have calibrate my S-meter following exactly what is tell in the building 
manual.
I do have done this allignement CW normal mode.
What I see while switching between CW reverse and USB and LSB mode is that the 
right led indication does not indicate most right on other modes ???
I see a little difference in S-meter indicaton bewteen CW normal and the 3 
other modes ??
The S-meter indicaton is dropping one led from right. 
The most right led indication is done with RF control fully counter clockwise 
of course.  
Is this normal,I do have allign my filters and BFO settings all correctly.
Yes I now,I am talking about details now,and what I see while playing with my 
new toy hi.
Next days I start to build my KPA100 unit.
Great building kit for sure...


Regards Jean ON4AEF. 

 
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S-meter calibration (CW-CWRV-USB-LSB) ?

2013-07-05 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jean,

You can adjust the CAL S HI menu in CW reverse or LSB or USB to 
compensate for that discrepancy.
If you have a signal generator that produces a 50 microvolt (-73 dBm) 
signal, use that to adjust the CAL S-HI menu parameter.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/5/2013 4:30 AM, Behiels JeanPierre wrote:

Hi K2 builders;

I do have calibrate my S-meter following exactly what is tell in the building 
manual.
I do have done this allignement CW normal mode.
What I see while switching between CW reverse and USB and LSB mode is that the 
right led indication does not indicate most right on other modes ???
I see a little difference in S-meter indicaton bewteen CW normal and the 3 
other modes ??
The S-meter indicaton is dropping one led from right.
The most right led indication is done with RF control fully counter clockwise 
of course.
Is this normal,I do have allign my filters and BFO settings all correctly.
Yes I now,I am talking about details now,and what I see while playing with my 
new toy hi.
Next days I start to build my KPA100 unit.
Great building kit for sure...



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[Elecraft] Elecraft k2 S-meter alignment

2013-05-29 Thread Mike Weir
On page 48 of the K2 manual the S-meter alignment is done. I was able to get 
the Cal S low done just fine. When I then moved on to the Cal S HI ( with the 
RF gain fully counter clockwise) I was not able go get any segments of the S 
meter to light up. I adjusted the VFO full circle and not one segment of the S 
meter would light up.  The AGC voltage was adjust to 3.80 volts DC without any 
problem. Also I read on the list of a similar problem and Don suggested  to 
check RP6 pin's 9 and 10 and U6 pin 3 (all on the control board) I reheated and 
soldered these, actually all the pins on U6 and RP6 and this did not solve the 
problem. Just wondering what the next step would be?MikeVE3WDM  
 
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[Elecraft] K2 S meter indications

2011-07-30 Thread vicki glover
GM OM,
I have gone through the S meter Zero and Sensitivity a couple of times and am 
sure I'm doing it BTB, but indications of incoming signals seem low to me.  
Signals that I think should be a least a 7 or even a 9 are indicated as a 2 or 
3?  I even put the DSP in bypass before calebrating the S meter the last time 
wondering if that might have something to do with it.  No joy!  Any thoughts 
out there?
73
mike-kb3qja
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S meter indications

2011-07-30 Thread Don Wilhelm
Mike,

First make sure you have the RF Gain set fully clockwise, and then 
adjust the AGC Threshold to 3.8 volts or a little lower (never higher).
The adjust CAL S-LO with no antenna connected just to the point where 
there are no bars illuminated in any mode.
Now, if you have a source of 50 uV RF (-73dBm) like the Elecraft XG1, 
XG2, or XG3, tune in that signal and adjust CAL S HI to indicate S-9.
If you do not have such a signal generator, you can adjust it like the 
book and turn the RF Gain to minimum and adjust CAL S HI to illuminate 
all 10 bars (or the 10th bar if you have graph in dot mode) and let it 
go at that.
Alternately, if you have a steady on-the-air signal that you believe 
should register S-9, adjust CAL S HI until that signal does read S-9.

The K2 (and K3) S-meter can be calibrated to the S-9 equals -73 dBm 
standard, but for a long time, many receiver and transceiver 
manufacturers designed their S-meters to get a LOT of needle swing, so 
if you are comparing with other transceivers that you are accustomed to, 
you will find the K2 s-meter stingy.  As I indicated, you can perk it 
up by setting CAL S HI to a lower number.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/30/2011 11:55 AM, vicki glover wrote:
 GM OM,
 I have gone through the S meter Zero and Sensitivity a couple of times and am 
 sure I'm doing it BTB, but indications of incoming signals seem low to me.  
 Signals that I think should be a least a 7 or even a 9 are indicated as a 2 
 or 3?  I even put the DSP in bypass before calebrating the S meter the last 
 time wondering if that might have something to do with it.  No joy!  Any 
 thoughts out there?
 73

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S meter indications

2011-07-30 Thread Don Wilhelm
Mike,

I forgot to add that for best results, do those adjustments on 40 meters 
with the preamp OFF.
You will then find the readings are about right for those bands where 
you would normally use the preamp (20 meters and above).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/30/2011 1:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Mike,

 First make sure you have the RF Gain set fully clockwise, and then
 adjust the AGC Threshold to 3.8 volts or a little lower (never higher).
 The adjust CAL S-LO with no antenna connected just to the point where
 there are no bars illuminated in any mode.
 Now, if you have a source of 50 uV RF (-73dBm) like the Elecraft XG1,
 XG2, or XG3, tune in that signal and adjust CAL S HI to indicate S-9.
 If you do not have such a signal generator, you can adjust it like the
 book and turn the RF Gain to minimum and adjust CAL S HI to illuminate
 all 10 bars (or the 10th bar if you have graph in dot mode) and let it
 go at that.
 Alternately, if you have a steady on-the-air signal that you believe
 should register S-9, adjust CAL S HI until that signal does read S-9.

 The K2 (and K3) S-meter can be calibrated to the S-9 equals -73 dBm
 standard, but for a long time, many receiver and transceiver
 manufacturers designed their S-meters to get a LOT of needle swing, so
 if you are comparing with other transceivers that you are accustomed to,
 you will find the K2 s-meter stingy.  As I indicated, you can perk it
 up by setting CAL S HI to a lower number.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 7/30/2011 11:55 AM, vicki glover wrote:
 GM OM,
 I have gone through the S meter Zero and Sensitivity a couple of times and 
 am sure I'm doing it BTB, but indications of incoming signals seem low to 
 me.  Signals that I think should be a least a 7 or even a 9 are indicated as 
 a 2 or 3?  I even put the DSP in bypass before calebrating the S meter the 
 last time wondering if that might have something to do with it.  No joy!  
 Any thoughts out there?
 73

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[Elecraft] K2 - S-Meter alignment/Bargraph segements

2011-02-13 Thread Löbel
Dear OM's,

 

thank you for reading this.

 

Yesterday I finished the control board, the front panel board and 

the first stage of the RF-board - ready for the alignment, part 1.

 

Yesterday I did all the steps from the manual, alignment part 1

sucessfully - even the S-Meter alignment and the bargraph current test.

 

Today I switched on the K2 again and the bargraphsegment number 2 was

lighting. So I decided to do the S-Meter alignemnt again.

 

And so the mistery began. First with CAL S LO by turning the VFO-knob

the bargraph segments hop from nr. 10 to nr. 7 and then to nr. 3 

Similiar behavior with CAL S HI. 

 

I did the GRPH BAR - Test and only saw the first 3 segments on.

Then I tried again the S-Meter alignement but no segement visible any
more

So back to the GRPH BAR - now not one segment is on

 

I have to mention, that I didn't changed anything from yesterday

to today an the R1 was adjusted to 3,8 Volt as shown in the manual.

 

Has my K2 destroyed himself or what could be the reason for that

bad behavior? All other things in the alignment part 1 still are ok.

The RF-Gain control does not change anything.

 

I am really thankful for every help.

 

73 de Guenther / OE2LCM

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 - S-Meter alignment/Bargraph segements

2011-02-13 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Geunther,

The most likely cause of bargraph LEDs not lighting is an intermittent 
soldering connection, and since some LEDs light while others do not, the 
problem is most likely found on the Front Panel board.
I would suggest you re-flow the soldering of Front Panel U4, RP2, R12, 
and the bargraph itself.  Use a hot soldering iron and add a little new 
solder to add a bit of new flux.

Examine your soldering critically, it should flow out to an almost 
invisible edge line on both the solder pad and the component lead.  Only 
enough solder to fill the thru-plated hole is required, but I like to 
see a small fillet of solder too.  If there is just a lump of solder, 
you have applied excess (which can hide a bad connection), use solder 
wick or a de-soldering tool to remove the excess and re-solder with only 
a minimum of additional solder.

If you are trying to use lead-free solder, be aware that it does not 
flow very well and requires a higher than normal soldering temperature.  
I would recommend that you use a 63/37 alloy lead-tin solder with a 
mildly reactive flux instead of trying to struggle with the lead-free 
solder.  Even with much practice, I have not been able to make any 
lead-free solder flow well.  There is a reason that lead-free solder is 
not to be used for avionics or space gear!

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/13/2011 8:54 AM, Löbel wrote:
 Dear OM's,
 thank you for reading this.

 Yesterday I finished the control board, the front panel board and
 the first stage of the RF-board - ready for the alignment, part 1.
 Yesterday I did all the steps from the manual, alignment part 1
 sucessfully - even the S-Meter alignment and the bargraph current test.

 Today I switched on the K2 again and the bargraphsegment number 2 was
 lighting. So I decided to do the S-Meter alignemnt again.
 And so the mistery began. First with CAL S LO by turning the VFO-knob
 the bargraph segments hop from nr. 10 to nr. 7 and then to nr. 3 
 Similiar behavior with CAL S HI.

 I did the GRPH BAR - Test and only saw the first 3 segments on.
 Then I tried again the S-Meter alignement but no segement visible any
 more
 So back to the GRPH BAR - now not one segment is on

 I have to mention, that I didn't changed anything from yesterday
 to today an the R1 was adjusted to 3,8 Volt as shown in the manual.

 Has my K2 destroyed himself or what could be the reason for that
 bad behavior? All other things in the alignment part 1 still are ok.

 The RF-Gain control does not change anything.

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S-Meter LED Question (Alignment and Test Part II)

2010-07-03 Thread Don Herring
Turned out to be that I had the graph in dot mode

Thanks

Don 
W4DHH

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 S-Meter LED Question (Alignment and Test Part II)
To: Don Herring dhherr...@bellsouth.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 5:05 PM

Don,

I would suggest you first look for a solder bridge in the vicinity of FP DS2 
(the LED array) pin 20 and/or U4 pin17.  There are via holes on the board 
between those location which are also potential places for solder bridges.

If you find nothing in that search, then the most likely problem is that U4 has 
a bad output at pin 17.  The 6B595 IC is subject to static damage, and may have 
been zapped when it was mounted if good anti-static procedures were not 
followed.

73,
Don W3FPR

Don Herring wrote:
 
 However, during all of this, the rightmost LED on the S-Meter is constantly 
 lit.  Any clues as to what may be causing this? 
 
   
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[Elecraft] K2 S-Meter LED Question (Alignment and Test Part II)

2010-07-01 Thread Don Herring
Greetings. 

My other e-mail addy doesn't appear to be working, so I'll try another..

I'm at the Alignment and Test Part II of my K2 build, and everything 
appears to be well with specs. 

I've completed the process through the BFO Test, and have stopped at the 
BFO alignment (was getting late). 

However, during all of this, the rightmost LED on the S-Meter is 
constantly lit.  Any clues as to what may be causing this? 

Thanks 

Don 
W4DHH 
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S-Meter LED Question (Alignment and Test Part II)

2010-07-01 Thread Don Wilhelm
Don,

I would suggest you first look for a solder bridge in the vicinity of FP 
DS2 (the LED array) pin 20 and/or U4 pin17.  There are via holes on the 
board between those location which are also potential places for solder 
bridges.

If you find nothing in that search, then the most likely problem is that 
U4 has a bad output at pin 17.  The 6B595 IC is subject to static 
damage, and may have been zapped when it was mounted if good anti-static 
procedures were not followed.

73,
Don W3FPR

Don Herring wrote:

 However, during all of this, the rightmost LED on the S-Meter is 
 constantly lit.  Any clues as to what may be causing this? 


   
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] S meter readings

2010-03-18 Thread Bill Coleman

On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Sergey Dan wrote:

 
 Do I need to see S meter reading changes when choosing between ATT and
 PRE ?

Yes, you should definitely seen significant S meter reading changes when 
cycling through the Attenuator to the Preamp.

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[Elecraft] [K2] S meter readings

2009-12-08 Thread Sergey Dan

Do I need to see S meter reading changes when choosing between ATT and
PRE ?

Thanks
Sergey 4Z5TV
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] S meter readings

2009-12-08 Thread Don Wilhelm
Sergey,

You can have the K3 S-meter either way you want.  In ABS (absolute) 
mode, there will be no change with use of the attenuator and preamp.
In the NOR (normal) position, there will be a change.

73,
Don W3FPR

Sergey Dan wrote:
 Do I need to see S meter reading changes when choosing between ATT and
 PRE ?

 Thanks
 Sergey 4Z5TV
   
   
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] S meter readings

2009-12-08 Thread John
On the K2, yes if it is adjusted properly.

John


At 09:16 AM 08/12/09, you wrote:

Do I need to see S meter reading changes when choosing between ATT and
PRE ?

Thanks
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[Elecraft] K2 S-meter/LED display flickers, alignment fails

2009-06-13 Thread Douglas Furton
Hello.  I'm building K2 #6761 and have reached the first operational 
checkpoint.  My K2 started right up and works normally except for S-meter/LED 
display problem I describe here.

When working through the first S-meter alignment, I find that the LED display 
behaves erratically.  First, it only operates when I'm in the menu -- the none 
of the LED elements light when I exit the menu.  Second, when I go through the 
process to set the meter's low and high points, several elements -- and not 
adjacent elements -- light and flicker.  While I seem to be able to set the low 
point for the S-meter, I cannot set the high point because of the way the 
display flickers.  I can't get just a single element (9 or 10) to light.

I have the meter set to 'dot' mode, but do note that the LED display seems to 
behave close to normal in 'bar' mode, although I still can't align it properly 
and it doesn't work once I exit the menu.

I'll note also that my 8V regulator seems to be on the low end of specs, but I 
can get 3.80 Volts on pin 5 of U2.

Any suggestions?

Doug
K8EXB
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S-meter/LED display flickers, alignment fails

2009-06-13 Thread Don Wilhelm
Doug,

The most common cause for behavior of that nature is bad solder 
connections.  I suggest you reflow the soldering on the front panel 
board with an iron temperature between 700 and 750 deg F.
Especially check (or reflow) the soldering at Front Panel RP2, the LED 
bargraph, R12 and U4.

Using the menu for CAL S HI, you should be able to turn the RF Gain 
control so that each LED is illuminated in turn (use the BAR mode).  
This will allow you to see when all the bars are functional

After you have the bargraph working correctly, try the S-meter 
calibration again.

73,
Don W3FPR
Douglas Furton wrote:
 Hello.  I'm building K2 #6761 and have reached the first operational 
 checkpoint.  My K2 started right up and works normally except for S-meter/LED 
 display problem I describe here.

 When working through the first S-meter alignment, I find that the LED display 
 behaves erratically.  First, it only operates when I'm in the menu -- the 
 none of the LED elements light when I exit the menu.  Second, when I go 
 through the process to set the meter's low and high points, several elements 
 -- and not adjacent elements -- light and flicker.  While I seem to be able 
 to set the low point for the S-meter, I cannot set the high point because of 
 the way the display flickers.  I can't get just a single element (9 or 10) to 
 light.

 I have the meter set to 'dot' mode, but do note that the LED display seems to 
 behave close to normal in 'bar' mode, although I still can't align it 
 properly and it doesn't work once I exit the menu.

 I'll note also that my 8V regulator seems to be on the low end of specs, but 
 I can get 3.80 Volts on pin 5 of U2.

 Any suggestions?

 Doug
 K8EXB
   

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Re: [Elecraft] K2-S-Meter Alignment question

2006-07-25 Thread Nick Waterman
Gary Marks wrote:
 The forth step says: Turn RF Gain fully counter-clockwise. Adjust the
 VFO knob until bargraph segment 9 lights, then turn it a bit more
 counter-clockwise until segment 10 just turns on (right-most
 segment).
 
 Question: Should this have said RF Gain instead of VFO knob ?
 Turning the VFO does nothing while turning the RF Gain knob performs
 what the instructions say.

Even if you're in CAL S HI?

You might need to turn AGC off (hold PRE/ATT and AGC) before you start
CAL S HI and CAL S LO.

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[Elecraft] K2-S-Meter Alignment question

2006-07-24 Thread Gary Marks
Under S-Meter Alignment:

The forth step says:
Turn RF Gain fully counter-clockwise. Adjust the VFO knob until bargraph 
segment 9 lights, then turn it a bit more counter-clockwise until segment 10 
just turns on (right-most segment).

Question: Should this have said RF Gain instead of VFO knob ?  Turning the VFO 
does nothing while turning the RF Gain knob performs what the instructions say.

Comments please..

Gary
WD8ICX
K2 #5609 
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Re: [Elecraft] K2-S-Meter Alignment question

2006-07-24 Thread JEAN-FRANCOIS MENARD
No this is the VFO knob... turning the VFO knob when calibrate the S HI 
and S Lo paramater should be use to adjust the bar led display for 
proper receivng indication. If turning the VFO knob does nothing, you 
should probably have something wrong...



Gary Marks a écrit :

Under S-Meter Alignment:

The forth step says:
Turn RF Gain fully counter-clockwise. Adjust the VFO knob until bargraph 
segment 9 lights, then turn it a bit more counter-clockwise until segment 10 
just turns on (right-most segment).

Question: Should this have said RF Gain instead of VFO knob ?  Turning the VFO 
does nothing while turning the RF Gain knob performs what the instructions say.

Comments please..

Gary
WD8ICX
K2 #5609 
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RE: [Elecraft] K2-S-Meter Alignment question

2006-07-24 Thread Don Wilhelm
Gary,

You missed one prior step - enter the menu and edit 'CAL S Hi' first, and
then the VFO knob should work as described - you should see a display like
'S HI 018' (the number will change as you rotate the VFO knob).

73,
Don W3FPR


 -Original Message-
 Under S-Meter Alignment:

 The forth step says:
 Turn RF Gain fully counter-clockwise. Adjust the VFO knob until
 bargraph segment 9 lights, then turn it a bit more
 counter-clockwise until segment 10 just turns on (right-most segment).

 Question: Should this have said RF Gain instead of VFO knob ?
 Turning the VFO does nothing while turning the RF Gain knob
 performs what the instructions say.



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Re: [Elecraft] K2-S-Meter Alignment question

2006-07-24 Thread Gary Marks
I should have done as in the first stepafter entering the menu again and 
selecting CAL S HI, I should have done:
Hold EDIT a second time to activate it. That sentence wasn't in the manual 
and I'm just learning the procedures with this rig. Everything checked out 
OK. On to Assembly, Part II.

THANKS

Gary



You missed one prior step - enter the menu and edit 'CAL S Hi' first, and
then the VFO knob should work as described - you should see a display like
'S HI 018' (the number will change as you rotate the VFO knob).

73,
Don W3FPR



-Original Message-
Under S-Meter Alignment:

The forth step says:
Turn RF Gain fully counter-clockwise. Adjust the VFO knob until
bargraph segment 9 lights, then turn it a bit more
counter-clockwise until segment 10 just turns on (right-most segment).

Question: Should this have said RF Gain instead of VFO knob ?
Turning the VFO does nothing while turning the RF Gain knob
performs what the instructions say.







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[Elecraft] K2 S-Meter calibration

2005-12-31 Thread Nick Waterman
S-meter alignment... Page 47, I've been through it but it doesn't seem
to give me a useful range, I feel it should be peaking when I tune a
strong signal and dropping off when there's just background noise. I
have XG1, can tune it, can adjust CAL S HI to S9, but then just about
everything seems to be S9. I can't help wondering if I've done something
wrong. Am I supposed to be doing CAL S LO with antenna removed or
anything? Is there another CAL S process I can follow, or is my QTH
really surrounded by S9 noise on all bands or something?

Oh, also, when you first get to P47, you have no receiver, so can't use
XG1 anyway. P49 also refers to fitting the thermistor board with
suitable clearance away from components that aren't even installed yet.  :-)

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RE: [Elecraft] K2 S-Meter calibration

2005-12-31 Thread Don Wilhelm
Nick,

Yes, you set CAL S Lo with the antenna removed.

The order of adjustment is: 1) AGC Threshold, 2) CAL S-LO, 3) CAL S HI.  You
may have to cycle through 2 and 3 a couple times, there is a small amount of
interaction.

When setting CAL S HI, first set it for full scale deflection, and then
check the S-9 level with the XG1 - if the meter reads a bit below S-9, you
can increase it with CAL S HI, but if it is higher than S-9, go back and
change the AGC Threshold by a small amount (I suggest 0.2 volts at a time)
and re-do CAL S LO and CAL S HI again.  Repeat the process until you have
the S-meter deflection that you want.  If you use CAL S HI alone to REDUCE
the reading with a 50 uV input the result will be a lack of full S-meter
deflection.

I know that is a bit more involved than the instructions in the manual, but
such are the problems involved in 'fine-tuning' several parameters - they
interact.

Once you have adjusted everything with no antenna and the XG1, if you see
S-9 when you connect the antenna, then you may conclude that you have an S-9
noise level!

73,
Don W3FPR

 -Original Message-

 S-meter alignment... Page 47, I've been through it but it doesn't seem
 to give me a useful range, I feel it should be peaking when I tune a
 strong signal and dropping off when there's just background noise. I
 have XG1, can tune it, can adjust CAL S HI to S9, but then just about
 everything seems to be S9. I can't help wondering if I've done something
 wrong. Am I supposed to be doing CAL S LO with antenna removed or
 anything? Is there another CAL S process I can follow, or is my QTH
 really surrounded by S9 noise on all bands or something?


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[Elecraft] K2 S meter

2005-01-08 Thread James T. Jim Rogers, W4ATK
I have an XG-1 and have calibrated my K2 accordingly. Sometimes, I run
without the PREamp and this morning decided to
see what effect that has on S meter readings so I could give more
reasonable reports. I know a bunch of you have already
done this but for what its worth:
difference/correction 
(s units)
50uv signal PREamp on:  S9  0
50uv signal PREamp off: S5  4
50uv signal ATTen on: S27

As a good contributor to the reflectors has often said, OK back in my
cave!

73s, Jim, W4ATK
K2 #4028

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[Elecraft] K2 S-meter Alignment

2004-12-15 Thread g . c . hart
(Originally sent without a Subject)

I'm not sure whether this is a problem or not but after performing the S-meter 
alignment on p. 47 of the K2 assembly manaual, the tenth bargraph LED stays 
lit. It is lit whenever I turn on the rig. The AGC threshold is 3.80 Vdc at U2 
pin5. I have completed Alignment and Test II with no problems or defects.

Thanks in advance for any helpful feedback.

-Gary N0AGH
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S meter

2004-11-19 Thread G3VVT
Howard,
With regard to S meter readings it does appear at least with my K2  #4168 and 
a later K2 #4324 tested a few weeks back that 80, 40, 30, 20 and 17m  bands 
come out with similar sensitivity in the level required for S9 when  switched 
to the same mode and bandwidth. For 15, 12 and 10m there was a  discrepancy 
with the later serial number being slightly less sensitive. The  alignment 
appeared to be fairly well correct for both K2.
 
With the Elecraft XG1 signal generator the testing for S9 is done at  7040kHz 
with the higher level output at 50 microvolts PD (50uV PD = approx  -73dBm). 
With the AGC threshold set at 3.80V, 50uV was insufficient  to make S9 with 
both these K2. They both needed about 63uV PD to make S9  with the preamp 
switched off and were slightly more sensitive when checked  with CW at 700Hz 
bandwidth compared to SSB with the SSB filter in circuit.
 
However during testing it was found that small variations in the AGC  
threshold voltage had a substantial effect on the level required to make  S9. 
With 
AGC threshold at 3.80V, as noted 63uV was required for S9. Drop  this by 0.1V 
to 
3.70 V, only 40uV was required and again by another 0.1V to  3.60V, only 25uV 
was now needed for S9. With all of the changes in threshold  voltages the CAL 
S HI and CAL S LO needs to be reset at each step.
 
The effect noted was posted on the Elecraft Reflector though only raised  two 
replies in confirmation. Again has anybody else seen this effect of  rising S 
meter sensitivity when lowering the AGC threshold whilst testing the K2  
receiver?
 
The optimum point for the setting of the AGC threshold with my K2 #4168  came 
out at 3.70V, which meant the S meter sensitivity came out at 40uV PD for  
S9. This can be fudged to 50uV for S9 by adjusting CAL S HI if desired. Left  
mine as is for ease of S meter HI/LO setting as per the manual.
 
Assuming the alignment is correct on the K2 reported with low S meter  
sensitivity, it may be worth checking that AGC threshold has been set to at  
least 
the 3.80V initial setting. Well worth checking the K2 Alignment  Instructions 
on Don, W3FPR's web site to ensure that you get everything  correct. 
 
Bob, G3VVT
K2 #4168
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S meter

2004-11-19 Thread W3FPR - Don Wilhelm

Folks,

After playing with the AGC threshold vs. S-9 = 50 uV on several K2s, I can 
state that the value of 3.80 volts is only a nominal value, and in my 
experience should only be considered as an upper limit.  I have found the 
proper AGC threshold to range from 3.65 volts to 3.8 volts.


There is some slight varaition in receiver gain from K2 to K2.  This is 
likely due to manufacturing varaiations in the components and could also be 
influenced by the loss through the particular IF filter, so the really 
correct settings for your K2 may not match another's.


First and most importantly, check with AGC on vs. AGC off to be certain that 
there is no AGC activation with receiver noise (no antenna conenected - and 
check all bands).  If the background noise increases with the AGC off, the 
the AGC threshold is too high.  That means the AGc is being activated on 
receiver noise alone, and does not allow hearing the full sensitivity 
capabilities of your K2.  The highest voltage point where your reciever 
shows no change from AGC on to AGC off is the highest voltage YOUR AGC 
threshold should be set.


Now, how does this relate to S-9 indications, you may ask -- well, different 
AGC threshold voltage settings will make the S-meter more or less lively 
that is for certain, and by 'playing' with the settings of AGC threshold, 
S-Lo, and S-hi, one can make the S-meter read almost anything within reason. 
If you have a calibrated 50 uV signal (such as the ouptut of the XG-1), you 
can set the S-meter on 40 meters for S-9 at 50 uV (I have found that this is 
best set  with the pre-amp ON).


I find it helpful to make a chart of the AGC threshold voltage, S-low 
setting, S-hi setting, and the resultant s-mater reading.  This chart will 
tell you which way to move the AGC setting to achieve a higher or lower 
s-meter reading with any given signal input (50 uV is ideal).  I have tried 
doing it by 'guess and by gosh', and believe me, creating the chart is the 
fastest way to get there - frustration will quickly set in without it - this 
is an exercise with 3 variables, and my brain gets confused with only 2 
variables.


Bottom line - the K2 S-meter can be made to be 'stingy' or 'lively' 
whichever is your choice.  There will be some variation from band to band (a 
lot depends on the bandpass filters settings - do that part of the alignment 
first), so make your choices and set it to please you.  For my clients and 
my own K2s, I set the S-meter to read S-9 with 50 uV input on 7040 Mhz with 
the K2 preamp turned on.


Oh yes, for my personal viewpoint -- the S-meter reading is entirely 
relative because it only indicates that one particular signal is stronger 
than another signal.  The real 'proof of the pudding' is the 'R' in the 
RS(T) report which indicates how well you can read the other station - and a 
properly aligned K2 can dig them out of the mud, and !!!that!!! is what 
really counts.


73,
Don W3FPR

- Original Message - 


Howard,
With regard to S meter readings it does appear at least with my K2  #4168 
and
a later K2 #4324 tested a few weeks back that 80, 40, 30, 20 and 17m 
bands
come out with similar sensitivity in the level required for S9 when 
switched
to the same mode and bandwidth. For 15, 12 and 10m there was a 
discrepancy

with the later serial number being slightly less sensitive. The  alignment
appeared to be fairly well correct for both K2.

With the Elecraft XG1 signal generator the testing for S9 is done at 
7040kHz
with the higher level output at 50 microvolts PD (50uV PD = 
pprox  -73dBm).
With the AGC threshold set at 3.80V, 50uV was insufficient  to make S9 
with

both these K2. They both needed about 63uV PD to make S9  with the preamp
switched off and were slightly more sensitive when checked  with CW at 
700Hz

bandwidth compared to SSB with the SSB filter in circuit.

However during testing it was found that small variations in the AGC
threshold voltage had a substantial effect on the level required to make 
S9. With
AGC threshold at 3.80V, as noted 63uV was required for S9. Drop  this by 
0.1V to
3.70 V, only 40uV was required and again by another 0.1V to  3.60V, only 
25uV
was now needed for S9. With all of the changes in threshold  voltages the 
CAL

S HI and CAL S LO needs to be reset at each step.

The effect noted was posted on the Elecraft Reflector though only raised 
two
replies in confirmation. Again has anybody else seen this effect of 
rising S

meter sensitivity when lowering the AGC threshold whilst testing the K2
receiver?

The optimum point for the setting of the AGC threshold with my K2 #4168 
came

out at 3.70V, which meant the S meter sensitivity came out at 40uV PD for
S9. This can be fudged to 50uV for S9 by adjusting CAL S HI if desired. 
Left

mine as is for ease of S meter HI/LO setting as per the manual.

Assuming the alignment is correct on the K2 reported with low S meter
sensitivity, it may be worth checking that AGC threshold has been set to 

[Elecraft] K2 S meter

2004-11-18 Thread Howard W. Ashcraft
I set up my K2 S meter per the manual.  It appeared to work normally with S9+ 
readings on loud signals.  I then borrowed an X-gen and used it to calibrate 
the S-Meter readings.  The calibrated settings were much lower than the per 
manual settings, i.e., a signal that was S-9 would read, after calibration, 
about S-5 or 6.  I don't have a method for measuring the X-gen output.  I do 
know that the K2 easily picks up the 1 uv low signal used for sensitivity 
testing.  I will probably just go back to the earlier settings, but I was 
wondering if anyone else had a similar experience?





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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S meter

2004-11-18 Thread David A. Belsley

Howard:
  The standard means given in the manual for setting the S meter 
produces settings that are generally low, i.e., readings that ought be 
S9 tend to register much lower than S9.  Many people have simply goosed 
up their settings so that signals they feel should be S9 register as 
such.  Elecraft produces a little minkit, the  XG1 Receiver Test 
Oscillator / S-Meter Calibrator, that creates a highly accurate .5 
microvolt signal (at 7.04 MHz).  Using this will give you a very 
accurate S meter setting for 40 meters.  I cannot speak for its 
behavior on other bands.


best wishes,

dave belsley, w1euy


On Nov 18, 2004, at 5:46 PM, Howard W. Ashcraft wrote:

I set up my K2 S meter per the manual.  It appeared to work normally 
with S9+ readings on loud signals.  I then borrowed an X-gen and used 
it to calibrate the S-Meter readings.  The calibrated settings 
were much lower than the per manual settings, i.e., a signal that 
was S-9 would read, after calibration, about S-5 or 6.  I don't have a 
method for measuring the X-gen output.  I do know that the K2 easily 
picks up the 1 uv low signal used for sensitivity testing.  I will 
probably just go back to the earlier settings, but I was wondering if 
anyone else had a similar experience?






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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S Meter

2004-07-03 Thread JEAN-FRANCOIS MENARD
Be sure to turn the RF Gain fully clockwise and counterclockwise as 
describe in the manual when ajusting S Lo and S Hi.


Le 04-07-02, à 23:57, David N. a écrit :


Hello all I am at the test 1 phase of the build
The problem I am having is that when I set the Slo or
SHi the far right dot is the only one lighting up.
It says in the manual that (Slo) the far left led
and it is on 10. I double checked my agc and it is at
3.80 so that is not in question is there something
I am overlooking?? if so what? or am I looking at a
mistake in one of my steps?
Thanks
David KR4OW



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S Meter

2004-07-03 Thread Dale Boresz

Hello Jean-Francois,

Also, be sure that the AGC is in fact turned ON. To be certain that it's 
on, simply tap the AGC button once. If it was previously off, that will 
turn it on, and if it was on already, it will simply change the AGC 
time-constant from either fast to slow, or the other way around.


If you are concerned that you never see more thatn one of the S-Meter 
LED's lit at a time, then you most likely have the DOT mode selected, 
as opposed to the BARGRAPH mode. To change it, locate the GRPH menu 
item on the Primary Menu. You'll notice three possible settings for GRPH:

bAr (Bargraph)
OFF (No S-Meter LED's will be displayed)
dOt (Only a single LED at a time will be displayed, as a power-saving 
feature)


If you select bAr you should see all S-Meter LED segments lit when the 
right-most LED is lit.


Hope this helps.

73, Dale / WA8SRA

JEAN-FRANCOIS MENARD wrote:

Be sure to turn the RF Gain fully clockwise and counterclockwise as 
describe in the manual when ajusting S Lo and S Hi.


Le 04-07-02, à 23:57, David N. a écrit :


Hello all I am at the test 1 phase of the build
The problem I am having is that when I set the Slo or
SHi the far right dot is the only one lighting up.
It says in the manual that (Slo) the far left led
and it is on 10. I double checked my agc and it is at
3.80 so that is not in question is there something
I am overlooking?? if so what? or am I looking at a
mistake in one of my steps?
Thanks
David KR4OW





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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S Meter

2004-07-03 Thread JEAN-FRANCOIS MENARD

It's not me that have problem... it's David KR4OW

Mine works fine, really fine !!!

Le 04-07-03, à 15:41, Dale Boresz a écrit :


Hello Jean-Francois,

Also, be sure that the AGC is in fact turned ON. To be certain that 
it's on, simply tap the AGC button once. If it was previously off, 
that will turn it on, and if it was on already, it will simply change 
the AGC time-constant from either fast to slow, or the other way 
around.


If you are concerned that you never see more thatn one of the S-Meter 
LED's lit at a time, then you most likely have the DOT mode 
selected, as opposed to the BARGRAPH mode. To change it, locate the 
GRPH menu item on the Primary Menu. You'll notice three possible 
settings for GRPH:

bAr (Bargraph)
OFF (No S-Meter LED's will be displayed)
dOt (Only a single LED at a time will be displayed, as a power-saving 
feature)


If you select bAr you should see all S-Meter LED segments lit when 
the right-most LED is lit.


Hope this helps.

73, Dale / WA8SRA

JEAN-FRANCOIS MENARD wrote:

Be sure to turn the RF Gain fully clockwise and counterclockwise as 
describe in the manual when ajusting S Lo and S Hi.


Le 04-07-02, à 23:57, David N. a écrit :


Hello all I am at the test 1 phase of the build
The problem I am having is that when I set the Slo or
SHi the far right dot is the only one lighting up.
It says in the manual that (Slo) the far left led
and it is on 10. I double checked my agc and it is at
3.80 so that is not in question is there something
I am overlooking?? if so what? or am I looking at a
mistake in one of my steps?
Thanks
David KR4OW





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[Elecraft] K2 S Meter

2004-07-02 Thread David N.
Hello all I am at the test 1 phase of the build 
The problem I am having is that when I set the Slo or
SHi the far right dot is the only one lighting up.
It says in the manual that (Slo) the far left led 
and it is on 10. I double checked my agc and it is at
3.80 so that is not in question is there something 
I am overlooking?? if so what? or am I looking at a
mistake in one of my steps?
Thanks
David KR4OW



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