Re: [Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle not working

[Dave New]

Gary,

There was an issue with early KXPD2 paddles where one or the other  
screws in the back of the assembly were slightly proud, and would  
short that side out against the KX2 chassis if the thumbscrews were  
completely tightened.


On my KX2, I now have a small chip of paint missing on the left side,  
where that screw head had scraped the paint a bit, shorting out that  
side of the paddle.  It turns out that when turning the KX2 on, if it  
senses a paddle line shorted, I think it ignores it, so depending on  
your specific situation, you may find that one side or the other of  
the paddle may not work, depending on which side was shorted when you  
turned on the radio.  If you leave the thumbscrews loose when turning  
it on, you may find it works, then if you tighten the thumbscrew, you  
will suddenly get repeating dots or dashes (depending on the shorted  
side).


I 'fixed' mine by filing down the screw head, and putting a bit of  
scotch tape over the paint chip.  Unless you are looking closely, it's  
not noticeable.


Elecraft did make alternate screws available for the KXPD2, but I  
never bothered.  It works fine for me, now.


73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

Quoting Gary Slagel via Elecraft :


Thanks Chris and Mike,
I initially tried a continuity check and had little luck confirming  
bad or good continuity.   I spent some time this morning putting it  
in, taking it out, adjusting spacing, etc.  Everything was pretty  
inconsistent.  For a while I had the left side of the paddle working  
and the right not working, for a while everything was fine and now,  
believe it or not the left paddle is working and the right paddle is  
working as long as I don't completely tighten the left thumbscrew  
that holds it on to the kx2 hihi!  I'd guess it needs a cleaning.   
I've misplaced the smaller allen wrench for the pivot screws so may  
try to round one up and see if I can get it apart and cleaned and  
back together.  Or... maybe leave that left thumbscrew a little  
loose :)!    

Thanks for both of your comeback!


Gary Slagel2226 Doran RdHot Springs, SD 57747(605) 890-2310KT0A
 

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022, 10:53:15 AM MST, Chris  
 wrote:


 Hi Gary,
You can disconnect the paddle and do a continuity check with your  
multimeter.  It seems that the problem is on the paddle.  You can  
easily disassemble it to see where the problem is.  I did clean  
mine, and it is fairly easy.

Best 73,
Chris KM1B

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 11:57 AM Gary Slagel via Elecraft  
 wrote:


The left side of my KXPD2 paddle is not working, the right side is  
fine.    I've reversed the CW KEY 2 setting and it continues to be  
the left side that doesn't work.
Is there a simple test I could do to determine if it is a paddle  
problem or a KX2 problem?  I don't have anyone local who owns a kx2  
so I've no way to test with another radio.

GaryKT0A
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle not working

[Gary Slagel via Elecraft]

Thanks Chris and Mike,
I initially tried a continuity check and had little luck confirming bad or good 
continuity.   I spent some time this morning putting it in, taking it out, 
adjusting spacing, etc.  Everything was pretty inconsistent.  For a while I had 
the left side of the paddle working and the right not working, for a while 
everything was fine and now, believe it or not the left paddle is working and 
the right paddle is working as long as I don't completely tighten the left 
thumbscrew that holds it on to the kx2 hihi!  I'd guess it needs a cleaning.  
I've misplaced the smaller allen wrench for the pivot screws so may try to 
round one up and see if I can get it apart and cleaned and back together.  
Or... maybe leave that left thumbscrew a little loose :)!    
Thanks for both of your comeback!


Gary Slagel2226 Doran RdHot Springs, SD 57747(605) 890-2310KT0A
  

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022, 10:53:15 AM MST, Chris  wrote: 
 
 
 Hi Gary,
You can disconnect the paddle and do a continuity check with your multimeter.  
It seems that the problem is on the paddle.  You can easily disassemble it to 
see where the problem is.  I did clean mine, and it is fairly easy.
Best 73,
Chris KM1B

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 11:57 AM Gary Slagel via Elecraft 
 wrote:

The left side of my KXPD2 paddle is not working, the right side is fine.    
I've reversed the CW KEY 2 setting and it continues to be the left side that 
doesn't work.
Is there a simple test I could do to determine if it is a paddle problem or a 
KX2 problem?  I don't have anyone local who owns a kx2 so I've no way to test 
with another radio.
GaryKT0A
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle not working

[Chris]

Hi Gary,

You can disconnect the paddle and do a continuity check with your
multimeter.  It seems that the problem is on the paddle.  You can easily
disassemble it to see where the problem is.  I did clean mine, and it is
fairly easy.

Best 73,

Chris KM1B


On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 11:57 AM Gary Slagel via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> The left side of my KXPD2 paddle is not working, the right side is fine.
>   I've reversed the CW KEY 2 setting and it continues to be the left side
> that doesn't work.
> Is there a simple test I could do to determine if it is a paddle problem
> or a KX2 problem?  I don't have anyone local who owns a kx2 so I've no way
> to test with another radio.
> GaryKT0A
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[Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle not working

[Gary Slagel via Elecraft]

The left side of my KXPD2 paddle is not working, the right side is fine.    
I've reversed the CW KEY 2 setting and it continues to be the left side that 
doesn't work.
Is there a simple test I could do to determine if it is a paddle problem or a 
KX2 problem?  I don't have anyone local who owns a kx2 so I've no way to test 
with another radio.
GaryKT0A
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KXPD2 Paddle

[K9ZTV]

Tom ...

I feel your pain but not your conclusion.  For me the post-loosening problem 
was solved with Loctite Blue.  Since that didn't work for you, Loctite Red is 
the next logical step.  If that doesn't work, JB Weld most certainly will.  
Just a drop of either adhesive coating the entire shank of the screw(s) will 
absolutely make that a permanent cure.  Carefully done, the fix is invisible.  
Why Elecraft doesn't do it as a routine step in the manufacturing process I 
don't know. 

The KXPD2 is an excellent mini-paddle once the posts are permanently anchored. 

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



> On May 28, 2017, at 1:05 PM, Tom Francis, W1TEF  wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> First, before I go any further, I have nothing but the highest regard for 
> Elecraft's Customer
> Support and Service.  I've had several issues with my KX2 that were due to 
> operator error
> and Elecraft has fixed my self-induced KX2 injuries quickly and efficiently. 
> Plus, I've had
> a couple of other dealings with Customer Service all outstanding.
> 
> However. ;-)
> 
> I've been dealing with a KXPD2 paddle issue since I purchased my KX2 last 
> year. I've gone
> through four of them all with the exact same problem.
> 
> To wit: After use, say half hour or so, the contact posts loosen up and the 
> CW becomes
> impossible.  I've tried everything I know how to do - Loc-Tite blue goo, used 
> a mini-torque
> wrench to set torque, pushed the envelope with tightening up the screws - the 
> contact posts
> loosen up.
> 
> I have a very light touch with my paddles with very close spacing as CW is my 
> primary
> mode of choice for 54 years.  So I don't think that its heavy tapping or wide 
> spacing
> that is causing the problem.  If I were to guess, I believe it is a 
> dissimilar materials issue -
> metal screws, plastic base, warm radio causing the plastic to expand JUST 
> THAT LITTLE
> BIT to loosen up the screws.
> 
> Now here's the thing - four paddles all having the same issue on the same 
> radio with
> the same operator seems to be indicative of a manufacturing problem.
> 
> Maybe it is peculiar to me - I'm not discounting that, but it seems unusual. 
> What I'm
> wondering is if anybody else who owns and uses these paddles have the same 
> issue?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Very best regards,
> 
> Tom, W1TEF
> Lexington, SC

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[Elecraft] KXPD2 Paddle

[Tom Francis, W1TEF]

Greetings,

First, before I go any further, I have nothing but the highest regard 
for Elecraft's Customer
Support and Service.  I've had several issues with my KX2 that were due 
to operator error
and Elecraft has fixed my self-induced KX2 injuries quickly and 
efficiently. Plus, I've had

a couple of other dealings with Customer Service all outstanding.

However. ;-)

I've been dealing with a KXPD2 paddle issue since I purchased my KX2 
last year. I've gone

through four of them all with the exact same problem.

To wit: After use, say half hour or so, the contact posts loosen up and 
the CW becomes
impossible.  I've tried everything I know how to do - Loc-Tite blue goo, 
used a mini-torque
wrench to set torque, pushed the envelope with tightening up the screws 
- the contact posts

loosen up.

I have a very light touch with my paddles with very close spacing as CW 
is my primary
mode of choice for 54 years.  So I don't think that its heavy tapping or 
wide spacing
that is causing the problem.  If I were to guess, I believe it is a 
dissimilar materials issue -
metal screws, plastic base, warm radio causing the plastic to expand 
JUST THAT LITTLE

BIT to loosen up the screws.

Now here's the thing - four paddles all having the same issue on the 
same radio with

the same operator seems to be indicative of a manufacturing problem.

Maybe it is peculiar to me - I'm not discounting that, but it seems 
unusual. What I'm
wondering is if anybody else who owns and uses these paddles have the 
same issue?


Thanks.

Very best regards,

Tom, W1TEF
Lexington, SC
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Re: [Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle problem

[Jim Finan]

Re: Loctite:

I'd suggest Loctite 'Purple' (222). Still accomplishes the task but much easier 
to adjust/disassemble later. Especially important with small fasteners and 
tools.

If you're installing 6mm, 8mm bolts on your car, Blue is likely the best choice.

73,

Jim

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  Original Message  
From: K9ZTV
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 8:33 PM
To: Peter LaBissoniere
Cc: Converse, Robert; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle problem

Temporary emergency solution: eye-glass kit containing small Phillips 
screwdriver available at any convenience store, airport, hotel, notions 
counter, drug store, etc.

Permanent but removable solution: screw-threads lightly coated with Loctite 
Blue (not Loctite Red).

Kent K9ZTV



> On Sep 17, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Peter LaBissoniere <k...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I have the same issue. I'm thinking the little screws are too small to handle 
> the constant side "attack" pressure of keying from higher up on the posts. 
> I'm afraid I will crack the lexan/plastic if tightened to much and won't help 
> for long anyway. Seems they should have also been secured at the top?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Converse, Robert <robert.conve...@finnegan.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding the contact posts coming 
>> loose on the KXPD2 paddles. I keep experiencing this problem, and can't keep 
>> the philips screws on the posts tight for long enough to get through a QSO.
>> 
>> I'm reluctant to overtighten the screws or use Loc-tite, and wonder if 
>> anyone has a fix for this problem. I would prefer to avoid loss of use of 
>> the paddles for the two-week round trip time to the factory and back to 
>> Maryland.
>> 
>> Bob, WO3E
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle problem

[Walter Underwood]

That awl on my Boy Scout knife? The end works pretty well as an emergency 
Phillips screwdriver.

wunder
K6WRU
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> On Sep 17, 2016, at 5:32 PM, K9ZTV  wrote:
> 
> Temporary emergency solution:  eye-glass kit containing small Phillips 
> screwdriver available at any convenience store, airport, hotel, notions 
> counter, drug store, etc.
> 
> Permanent but removable solution: screw-threads lightly coated with Loctite 
> Blue (not Loctite Red).
> 
> Kent  K9ZTV
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Peter LaBissoniere  wrote:
>> 
>> I have the same issue. I'm thinking the little screws are too small to 
>> handle the constant side "attack" pressure of keying from higher up on the 
>> posts. I'm afraid I will crack the lexan/plastic if tightened to much and 
>> won't help for long anyway. Seems they should have also been secured at the 
>> top?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Converse, Robert 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding the contact posts 
>>> coming loose on the KXPD2 paddles.  I keep experiencing this problem, and 
>>> can't keep the philips screws on the posts tight for long enough to get 
>>> through a QSO.
>>> 
>>> I'm reluctant to overtighten the screws or use Loc-tite, and wonder if 
>>> anyone has a fix for this problem.  I would prefer to avoid loss of use of 
>>> the paddles for the two-week round trip time to the factory and back to 
>>> Maryland.
>>> 
>>> Bob, WO3E
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle problem

[K9ZTV]

Temporary emergency solution:  eye-glass kit containing small Phillips 
screwdriver available at any convenience store, airport, hotel, notions 
counter, drug store, etc.

Permanent but removable solution: screw-threads lightly coated with Loctite 
Blue (not Loctite Red).

Kent  K9ZTV



> On Sep 17, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Peter LaBissoniere  wrote:
> 
> I have the same issue. I'm thinking the little screws are too small to handle 
> the constant side "attack" pressure of keying from higher up on the posts. 
> I'm afraid I will crack the lexan/plastic if tightened to much and won't help 
> for long anyway. Seems they should have also been secured at the top?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Converse, Robert  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding the contact posts coming 
>> loose on the KXPD2 paddles.  I keep experiencing this problem, and can't 
>> keep the philips screws on the posts tight for long enough to get through a 
>> QSO.
>> 
>> I'm reluctant to overtighten the screws or use Loc-tite, and wonder if 
>> anyone has a fix for this problem.  I would prefer to avoid loss of use of 
>> the paddles for the two-week round trip time to the factory and back to 
>> Maryland.
>> 
>> Bob, WO3E
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle problem

[Peter LaBissoniere]

I have the same issue. I'm thinking the little screws are too small to handle 
the constant side "attack" pressure of keying from higher up on the posts. I'm 
afraid I will crack the lexan/plastic if tightened to much and won't help for 
long anyway. Seems they should have also been secured at the top?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Converse, Robert  
> wrote:
> 
> A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding the contact posts coming 
> loose on the KXPD2 paddles.  I keep experiencing this problem, and can't keep 
> the philips screws on the posts tight for long enough to get through a QSO.
> 
> I'm reluctant to overtighten the screws or use Loc-tite, and wonder if anyone 
> has a fix for this problem.  I would prefer to avoid loss of use of the 
> paddles for the two-week round trip time to the factory and back to Maryland.
> 
> Bob, WO3E
> 
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] KXPD2 paddle problem

[Converse, Robert]

A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding the contact posts coming 
loose on the KXPD2 paddles.  I keep experiencing this problem, and can't keep 
the philips screws on the posts tight for long enough to get through a QSO.

I'm reluctant to overtighten the screws or use Loc-tite, and wonder if anyone 
has a fix for this problem.  I would prefer to avoid loss of use of the paddles 
for the two-week round trip time to the factory and back to Maryland.

Bob, WO3E



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