Re: [Emc-developers] Wiki problems
On 1/19/2012 1:08 AM, Jon Elson wrote: Jon Elson wrote: I was just going to do some LinuxCNC renaming in the Wiki. I find the entire wiki seems to be set to read-only. Also, a number of pags are still missing. Table of Contents / Getting started: LinuxCNC Supported Hardware LinuxCNC Installing Linux LinuxCNC pure simulator are all dead, due to the name change. I don't know how to fix this, it needs to be linked to a page that can no longer be brought up. I can get to the old page from the list of changes, though. Jon Jon: This is the problem of legitimately (in the sense of that's the way the Wiki works) broken links I noted yesterday in my message Wiki editing. I haven't seen any responses that suggest I and others shouldn't just forge ahead to (re)construct the connections. It is the access through the list of changes you mention which makes easy my proposed process of copying old pages to new and then editing the new. A new, empty page with a well-formed URL is created when one clicks on one of those pesky ? marks, ready to be copied into and edited. At this point I think I'm going to apply brute force and ignorance by replacing all instances of emc/emc2 on the pages I edit and not worry about the past-future dichotomy. This doesn't mean I like it. I still think we should declare explicitly that there was a past which was EMC, a present defined by the date and substance of the agreement between our Board and EMC Corporation, and the future which is LinuxCNC. An easy example lies in Chris' message to emc-users.where he says ...and versions of the software and documentation starting with 2.5.0. We are not going to rebrand EMC2 2.4.7 or any of its predecessors, nor rewrite their documentation, so we have to be able to refer to them as EMC2, even if we qualify every reference with a disclaimer. But that's just me. I'm not an attorney nor do I play one on TV. I'm not a member of the Board nor even an active developer of LinuxCNC. My only interest here is to see this collected work of dozens continue to thrive. Regards, Kent -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Wiki problems
Kent A. Reed wrote: This is the problem of legitimately (in the sense of that's the way the Wiki works) broken links I noted yesterday in my message Wiki editing. I haven't seen any responses that suggest I and others shouldn't just forge ahead to (re)construct the connections. Well, the easiest way would be for somebody that has back-door access to the machine the Wiki is on to rename the files. The only way I know to do it is to go into the history, open the file for editing, capture it with ctrl/C and then paste the whole file in a s a new file under the new name. Rough, but that would work. We are not going to rebrand EMC2 2.4.7 or any of its predecessors, nor rewrite their documentation, so we have to be able to refer to them as EMC2, even if we qualify every reference with a disclaimer. You can't go and put what has been published back in the box. But that's just me. I'm not an attorney nor do I play one on TV. I'm not a member of the Board nor even an active developer of LinuxCNC. My only interest here is to see this collected work of dozens continue to thrive. One of the other items is we need to inform CNCZone of the change. I am also not a board member, but if the board will give some guidance on how they want this done, I will be glad to write a note and post it on the EMC list there. I can also see about getting the name of the list there changed. Jon -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Wiki problems
I hate to disagree :-) -- but please see the embedded note, below. Regards, Ken On 1/19/2012 10:31 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote: On 1/19/2012 1:08 AM, Jon Elson wrote: Jon Elson wrote: I was just going to do some LinuxCNC renaming in the Wiki. I find the entire wiki seems to be set to read-only. Also, a number of pags are still missing. Table of Contents / Getting started: LinuxCNC Supported Hardware LinuxCNC Installing Linux LinuxCNC pure simulator are all dead, due to the name change. I don't know how to fix this, it needs to be linked to a page that can no longer be brought up. I can get to the old page from the list of changes, though. Jon Jon: This is the problem of legitimately (in the sense of that's the way the Wiki works) broken links I noted yesterday in my message Wiki editing. I haven't seen any responses that suggest I and others shouldn't just forge ahead to (re)construct the connections. It is the access through the list of changes you mention which makes easy my proposed process of copying old pages to new and then editing the new. A new, empty page with a well-formed URL is created when one clicks on one of those pesky ? marks, ready to be copied into and edited. At this point I think I'm going to apply brute force and ignorance by replacing all instances of emc/emc2 on the pages I edit and not worry about the past-future dichotomy. This doesn't mean I like it. I still think we should declare explicitly that there was a past which was EMC, a present defined by the date and substance of the agreement between our Board and EMC Corporation, and the future which is LinuxCNC. An easy example lies in Chris' message to emc-users.where he says ...and versions of the software and documentation starting with 2.5.0. We are not going to rebrand EMC2 2.4.7 or any of its predecessors, nor rewrite their documentation, so we have to be able to refer to them as EMC2, even if we qualify every reference with a disclaimer. But that's just me. I'm not an attorney nor do I play one on TV. I'm not a member of the Board nor even an active developer of LinuxCNC. LinuxCNC is more than just the code. You ARE an active developer of LinuxCNC. My only interest here is to see this collected work of dozens continue to thrive. Regards, Kent -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Wiki problems
I was just going to do some LinuxCNC renaming in the Wiki. I find the entire wiki seems to be set to read-only. If it's read-only, then you are not signed in. See: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BasicSteps Looking at that page (and especially the diff to the previous version): http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=browsediff=1id=BasicSteps it is quite obvious why the wiki seems readonly. Regards, Alex Also, a number of pages seem to be missing. In Getting started: Supported Hardware, Installing Linux and LinuxCNC pure simulator are not active links. In configuring LinuxCNC / Servo Specific Info, Tuning LinuxCNC/HAL PID loops is no longer a link - I just looked at this page YESTERDAY. Is this something that happened due to renaming? LinuxCNC rsh Coders For LinuxCNC-Compatible CAM LinuxCNCAtNAMES LinuxCNCRunningInsideVirtualbox are also dead. Thanks, Jon -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Wiki problems
Alex Joni wrote: I was just going to do some LinuxCNC renaming in the Wiki. I find the entire wiki seems to be set to read-only. If it's read-only, then you are not signed in. See: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BasicSteps OK, apparently one needs to reset their passwords after the Joomla update. It works now, thanks! Jon -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Wiki problems
Jon Elson wrote: I was just going to do some LinuxCNC renaming in the Wiki. I find the entire wiki seems to be set to read-only. Also, a number of pags are still missing. Table of Contents / Getting started: LinuxCNC Supported Hardware LinuxCNC Installing Linux LinuxCNC pure simulator are all dead, due to the name change. I don't know how to fix this, it needs to be linked to a page that can no longer be brought up. I can get to the old page from the list of changes, though. Jon -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Wiki problems
On 1/17/2012 11:22 PM, Jon Elson wrote: I was just going to do some LinuxCNC renaming in the Wiki. I find the entire wiki seems to be set to read-only. Also, a number of pages seem to be missing. In Getting started: Supported Hardware, Installing Linux and LinuxCNC pure simulator are not active links. In configuring LinuxCNC / Servo Specific Info, Tuning LinuxCNC/HAL PID loops is no longer a link - I just looked at this page YESTERDAY. Is this something that happened due to renaming? LinuxCNC rsh Coders For LinuxCNC-Compatible CAM LinuxCNCAtNAMES LinuxCNCRunningInsideVirtualbox are also dead. Thanks, Jon Yeah, and since the string LinuxCNC is a WikiWiki word, all those instances of EMC2 became LinuxCNC? where the ? is a live link to nowhere. The right substitution is nowikiLinuxCNC/nowiki. Now we turn to the legitimate links that are now broken, like the ones you found. The first one that struck me was LinuxCNC Getting Started Guide... (and others like it). Sigh. Both ends of a link-target pair have to get fixed at the same time or all bets are off. Like I said, has a plan emerged? Regards, Kent -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
