Re: [Emc-users] OT: HDMI to VGA Was RE: Ideal Atom?
Przemek Klosowski wrote: It seems like more and more LCD screens have HDMI input ports will that be the future video standard? The DVI connector seems like an overkill compared to the HDMI connector. True that, DVI is much bigger and yet less functional because HDMI also carries audio. On the other hand, DVI is screw-down, which in an industrial environment might be a plus. A bit like 'scart' connectors. Many of the commodity connectors are designed for single use only, plug it in and leave it alone. I've seen some quote '10 insertions max'! It would be nice to have a good quality lockable connector standard with proper pins ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT: HDMI to VGA Was RE: Ideal Atom?
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:10 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: A bit like 'scart' connectors. Many of the commodity connectors are designed for single use only, plug it in and leave it alone. I've seen some quote '10 insertions max'! It would be nice to have a good quality lockable connector standard with proper pins ... Speaking of connectors, has anyone considered using RJ-45? it's a proven locking connector that's cheap and rated for over 1A per pin, and the cables are easy to custom-assemble. What's not to like, I'm asking in all seriousness? I can only think of the confusion factor with the true RJ-45 ethernet---but surely nobody would plug their ethernet cable into a stepper :) -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT: HDMI to VGA Was RE: Ideal Atom?
Przemek Klosowski wrote: Speaking of connectors, has anyone considered using RJ-45? it's a proven locking connector that's cheap and rated for over 1A per pin, and the cables are easy to custom-assemble. What's not to like, I'm asking in all seriousness? Well, these connectors are REALLY used for currents up to 20 mA or so in phones, and even less in Ethernet (except power over ethernet). Ever had one crackle and have to be wiggled to get a good contact? Our telephone network junction box is exposed to humidity outdoors, and even though those have little foam seals around the plug to try to keep the moisture out, the plug or jack has to be replaced yearly when corrosion shorts it out. Other than equipment that is built with these connectors (phones and Ethernet) I would NEVER use one on anything I built. Jon -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT: HDMI to VGA Was RE: Ideal Atom?
On Tue, 2012-01-10 at 12:56 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:10 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: A bit like 'scart' connectors. Many of the commodity connectors are designed for single use only, plug it in and leave it alone. I've seen some quote '10 insertions max'! It would be nice to have a good quality lockable connector standard with proper pins ... Speaking of connectors, has anyone considered using RJ-45? it's a proven locking connector that's cheap and rated for over 1A per pin, and the cables are easy to custom-assemble. What's not to like, I'm asking in all seriousness? I can only think of the confusion factor with the true RJ-45 ethernet---but surely nobody would plug their ethernet cable into a stepper :) I much prefer d-sub connectors. They're inexpensive, the ear screws are a positive closer, strain relief is robust, they often need no special tools to build, they are easy to shield and, leaving a pin or pins out, can be easy to key matching connectors. RJ connectors are cheap, the lock breaks easily, the lock allows contact movement, strain relief is meager, mostly needs a special tool, shielding is less common, keying options are very limited. I think d-subs convey to customers a commitment to quality that RJ's don't. Of course, just my opinion. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html California, USA -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT: HDMI to VGA Was RE: Ideal Atom?
2012/1/10 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: On Tue, 2012-01-10 at 12:56 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: Speaking of connectors, has anyone considered using RJ-45? I much prefer d-sub connectors. Agreed for whole 100%! Actually this type is the only I have ever used in machines to make different signal wires unpluggable, I haven't found anything that could compete in the ease of wiring (read: soldering), in the pricing. I wanted to write also ease of purchase, but then I remembered that my favorite store had d-sub 25pin females out of stock, when I needed them... Viesturs -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT: HDMI to VGA Was RE: Ideal Atom?
On Tuesday, January 10, 2012 05:30:32 PM Przemek Klosowski did opine: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:10 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: A bit like 'scart' connectors. Many of the commodity connectors are designed for single use only, plug it in and leave it alone. I've seen some quote '10 insertions max'! It would be nice to have a good quality lockable connector standard with proper pins ... Speaking of connectors, has anyone considered using RJ-45? it's a proven locking connector that's cheap and rated for over 1A per pin, and the cables are easy to custom-assemble. What's not to like, I'm asking in all seriousness? Basically, both the amperage rating and the interconnector voltages of an RJ-45 would be easily exceeded by most of the motors we use. In my case, the 28 volts = 54 volts peak to peak, a bit above the commonly assumed 50 volts worth of isolation between adjacent pins, not by much, but still... Likewise my 2.74 amps also stretches that current per pin, possibly to the premature failure point again. So no, as a C.E.T., I wouldn't recommend it. What I am using, admittedly at about 10x the cost of an RJ-45, is that 4 pin connector used as a mic connector on CB radios for the last 40 some years. It screws together, so its unlikely to come uncoupled, which if it does while the motor is under power will probably let the smoke out of the drivers. Each contact there can handle 5 or more amps and it is not THAT expensive. A dollop of sili-seal on the back of it and its quite dirt proof too. I can only think of the confusion factor with the true RJ-45 ethernet---but surely nobody would plug their ethernet cable into a stepper :) --- --- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Darling: the popular form of address used in speaking to a member of the opposite sex whose name you cannot at the moment remember. -- Oliver Herford -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT: HDMI to VGA Was RE: Ideal Atom?
On 10 January 2012 19:07, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: I much prefer d-sub connectors. They're inexpensive, the ear screws are a positive closer, strain relief is robust, Also 7A per pin and 250V rated. I have mentioned them before, but PowerCON and Speakon connectors are very solid and high quality for the price. http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/loudspeaker-connectors/0385165/ -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT: HDMI to VGA Was RE: Ideal Atom?
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: It seems like more and more LCD screens have HDMI input ports will that be the future video standard? The DVI connector seems like an overkill compared to the HDMI connector. True that, DVI is much bigger and yet less functional because HDMI also carries audio. On the other hand, DVI is screw-down, which in an industrial environment might be a plus. -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT: HDMI to VGA Was RE: Ideal Atom?
On 1/7/2012 6:47 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: On Sat, Jan 07, 2012 at 11:37:17PM +, andy pugh wrote: HDMI to DVI-D should be easy then, and I would much rather drive an LCD with DVI than pretend it has a raster and send VGA. Yes, if you want DVI-D (for LCD) then HDMI is just a cabling issue. The video signals are the same. (HDMI can also carry digital audio, and having one HDMI connector rather than DVI plus a digital audio connector is a few cents cheaper for the PC) It seems like more and more LCD screens have HDMI input ports will that be the future video standard? The DVI connector seems like an overkill compared to the HDMI connector. Dave -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT: HDMI to VGA Was RE: Ideal Atom?
On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 10:20:45AM +1100, Frank Tkalcevic wrote: I've just googled for HDMI to VGA converter cables, and they seem cheap and plentiful. Is this just a plug in solution? Is the HDMI signal VGA compatible? N. DVI has pins in it (the 4 more widely spaced ones in a square on one end) which carry VGA. Most (maybe all) display cards present normal analog VGA signals on those pins. There are devices (DVI-D) which don't have those pins and are digital only. HDMI is a cable standard which carries the digital part of DVI. An HDMI to DVI cable (or converter) just picks up the digital lines (the dense grid of pins on the DVI connector). The VGA pins from DVI are not connected by an HDMI cable or connector. A HDMI to VGA cable could only work if the device (the motherboard in this case) had some special provision for putting VGA signals onto HDMI pins. I've never heard of that, but it may exist. Sort of like mice that supported USB or PS/2 with an adapter -- that adapter didn't convert from USB to PS/2, it just electrically connected the pins and the mouse itself was capable of doing either. -- Ben Jackson AD7GD b...@ben.com http://www.ben.com/ -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT: HDMI to VGA Was RE: Ideal Atom?
On 7 January 2012 23:30, Ben Jackson b...@ben.com wrote: N. DVI has pins in it (the 4 more widely spaced ones in a square on one end) which carry VGA. Most (maybe all) display cards present normal analog VGA signals on those pins. There are devices (DVI-D) which don't have those pins and are digital only. HDMI to DVI-D should be easy then, and I would much rather drive an LCD with DVI than pretend it has a raster and send VGA. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT: HDMI to VGA Was RE: Ideal Atom?
On Sat, Jan 07, 2012 at 11:37:17PM +, andy pugh wrote: HDMI to DVI-D should be easy then, and I would much rather drive an LCD with DVI than pretend it has a raster and send VGA. Yes, if you want DVI-D (for LCD) then HDMI is just a cabling issue. The video signals are the same. (HDMI can also carry digital audio, and having one HDMI connector rather than DVI plus a digital audio connector is a few cents cheaper for the PC) -- Ben Jackson AD7GD b...@ben.com http://www.ben.com/ -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
