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Re: I take everything back now! It does look like a million qubit quants are on there way!

2024-05-07 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 You and me both do not know.
Slightly, related?
https://twitter.com/NeuroscienceNew/status/1787899775649476835
On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 01:00:25 PM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:   

 On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:43 AM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List 
 wrote:


 > face-palm. head-slaps
Million qubits chip a possibility, could enable practical quantum computers 
(msn.com)




 

This kind of, quantum computing-wise, a prediction from JC from a few years 
ago, regarding the achieving and impact. Seems corroborated in this article?



Quantum computing breakthrough could happen with just hundreds, not millions, 
of qubits using new error-correction system (msn.com)


Denis Mandich, is the chief technology officer for the quantum computer company 
"Qrypt" and is quoted as saying:

“With just 300 logical qubits, you have more compute power than has ever 
existed and could ever exist if you turned every atom---every atom in the 
universe---into a supercomputer,”

We don't know how good quantum error correcting algorithms can get but 
estimates are that it will take between 10,000 and 100,000 of today's best 
physical Qubits to make one logical Qubit that has an error rate of 10^-15, 
which is what you need for a quantum computer to become practical. And as of 
today, the lowest physical Qubit error rate so far was 10^-6, one error per 
million operations, achieved by researchers in Sydney Australia. The better the 
physical Qubit is, the fewer of them you need to make a near perfect logical 
Qubit, and I have no doubt that over time both physical Qubits and quantum 
error correcting algorithms will get better, but I don't know how much time or 
how much better.
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 While adopting new algorithms will secure future communications, anyone with 
the capacity to intercept and record messages now can hold on to them until the 
time large scale quantum computers can be developed to break the old 
encryption. There will be some advantage to the first one to get such a 
computer (assuming that one also has the recorded communications protected with 
current algorithms).
Jason 

On Sun, May 5, 2024, 5:02 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

  The article implies that if China gets big quantum computers before we do 
they'll be able to read all our messages.  But us getting big QC first doesn't 
affect that.  What we need to do is change to encryption not susceptible to 
QCs, something we are already doing.  I has nothing to do with how fast be make 
big QCs.
 
 Brent
 
 On 5/5/2024 5:58 AM, John Clark wrote:
  
  Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries’ fears to life?
  
  





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I take everything back now! It does look like a million qubit quants are on there way!

2024-05-07 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

face-palm. head-slaps
Million qubits chip a possibility, could enable practical quantum computers
(msn.com)

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On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 07:20:03 AM EDT, spudboy...@aol.com
wrote:

This kind of, quantum computing-wise, a prediction from JC from a few years
ago, regarding the achieving and impact. Seems corroborated in this article?
Quantum computing breakthrough could happen with just hundreds, not millions,
of qubits using new error-correction system (msn.com)

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On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 09:16:18 AM EDT, Jason Resch
wrote:

While adopting new algorithms will secure future communications, anyone with
the capacity to intercept and record messages now can hold on to them until the
time large scale quantum computers can be developed to break the old
encryption. There will be some advantage to the first one to get such a
computer (assuming that one also has the recorded communications protected with
current algorithms).
Jason

On Sun, May 5, 2024, 5:02 PM Brent Meeker wrote:

The article implies that if China gets big quantum computers before we do
they'll be able to read all our messages. But us getting big QC first doesn't
affect that. What we need to do is change to encryption not susceptible to
QCs, something we are already doing. I has nothing to do with how fast be make
big QCs.

Brent

On 5/5/2024 5:58 AM, John Clark wrote:

Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries’ fears to life?

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Re: Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries fears to life? (Piggybacking art.)

2024-05-07 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

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On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 09:16:18 AM EDT, Jason Resch
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On Sun, May 5, 2024, 5:02 PM Brent Meeker wrote:

Brent

On 5/5/2024 5:58 AM, John Clark wrote:

Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries’ fears to life?

Re: NYTimes.com: The Constitution Won’t Save Us From Trump

2024-04-26 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

We could do it. However Don the Dictator, didn't emerge the last time. As I
nagged JC, its policy that matters, and personality can Go Fish. What policies
ruined your lives? Just asking? In reverse, I could list Joe's policies that I
view as bad for this nation state.But since aggravation runneth over, I shall
skip that. Meanwhile, from The Babylon Bee, a retrospective on Don's military
prowess-Donald Trump Describes 9 Historical Battles

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On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 03:14:12 PM EDT, Brent Meeker
wrote:

So the proposal is to have dueling Constitutional Conventions...in which case
"dueling" isn't metaphorical.

Brent

On 4/26/2024 5:05 AM, John Clark wrote:

Explore this gift article from The New York Times. You can read it for free
without a subscription.

The Constitution Won’t Save Us From Trump

Turning the page on the man — and on the politics he has fostered — will
require fundamentally changing the text of our founding document.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/opinion/constitution-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.nU0.rnQs.QV0uvE7XIlSy=em-share
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Re: LLAMA3

2024-04-24 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Depends on how things evolve? If AI is just a machine, then it may have no 
need of us. If its a Neural Net, it might see synergy as advantageous. We 
decide, say if silk feels smooth for example or the smoothness pleases? Qualia, 
the qualitative difference that explains evolution. Meanwhile, life is still 
evolving on our world.Like you and me and the cell and the mitochondria a 
billion years ago, 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/algae-evolution-agriculture-plant-history-b2533698.html

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 06:06:54 AM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:   

 On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 1:10 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List 
 wrote:

> "AI Neural Nets and LLM's get loaded onto low-error quantum computers we at 
> least may be creating a new life, and later, merging with such, because it 
> makes for better Milky Way traveling. Like a trade off, it supplies increased 
> intellect, physical immoralism, and our part is to do the Qualia." 

I don't see why an AI would need us to supply the Qualia, it could do that on 
its own. It's easy to see the advantage we would get by merging with an AI, but 
it's much harder to see what advantage the AI would get out of the deal. 
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Re: LLAMA3

2024-04-22 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Not a clue news wise. However, I am guessing when AI Neural Nets and LLM's get
loaded onto low-error quantum computers we at least may be creating a new life,
and later, merging with such, because it makes for better Milky Way traveling.
Like a trade off, it supplies increased intellect, physical immoralism, and our
part is to do the Qualia. (Daniel Dennett).
On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 03:19:37 PM EDT, Brent Meeker
wrote:

So far some human has to provide motivation in the form of prompts. Has
anymore tried a feedback loop in which AI's responses are returned at prompts?

Brent

On 4/21/2024 4:55 AM, John Clark wrote:

On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 6:19 AM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> "I am not looking for the Singularity itself, simply a great leap in the
> improvement in the successful use if AI in invention."

There will certainly be a huge leap in invention during and after the
Singularity, but they will be inventions made by artificial intelligence. AI
will be the last invention the human race ever makes.
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Re: LLAMA3

2024-04-21 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

I am not looking for the Singularity itself, simply a great leap in the
improvement in the successful use if AI in invention. What's the chance of a
wipe out as suggested? The impact of technology, not massively improved, just
significantly, 2 weekends ago. The Light Show over Israel. So given AI-improved
engineering (in all things) we may give our species some reason to budge
ourselves on religious or ideological positions? In this fashion, we may
enhance our survival to go on to do better things. On religion-ideology, I role
with this, personally. Not everyone's choice of course. Simple link, with the
subject of the Universe as a neural net. Vitaly Vanchurin, U Minnesota-
Physicist: The entire universe might be a neural network

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We live inside a neural network, he says, not a simulation — "but we might
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On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 07:29:30 PM EDT, Brent Meeker
wrote:

On 4/20/2024 4:23 PM, John Clark wrote:

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 7:11 PM Brent Meeker wrote:

> How about the war in Ukraine, Russian hacking, global warming, Chinese
>threats in the Taiwan strait and South China sea, and U.S. infrastructure
>decay?

If the singularity happens in the next two or three years, which doesn't
sound nearly as ridiculous as it would have 18 months ago, then every one of
those things is of utterly trivial importance.
The big difference is "IF". IF Earth is hit a million ton asteriod tomorrow
the singularity will be irrelevant.

Brent

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LLAMA 3 *BREAKS* the Industry | Government Safety Limits Approaching | Will
Groq kill NVIDIA?

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Re: Environmentalists are not serious people

2024-04-03 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Trump failed on some of his braggings for sure. For policies? Immigration, 
Inflation, Foreign troubles, crime,  he did better. Will he take power in 2024? 
Eh, we'll talk. 
On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 06:47:51 AM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:15 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List 
 wrote:

 > I continually nag, not Personalities but Policies. If the Policies are 
workable, personality be damned.

It doesn't matter if a policy is workable or not if a personality can't get 
anything done. Remember Trump's "infrastructure week" or his policy of building 
a wall and making Mexico pay for it?   And policies don't start wars, 
personalities do. Remember George W. Bush? And policies don't become fascist 
dictators, personalities do. 

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
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No, I don't expect anyone to change because of my statement! 
Hi John! 

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 06:45:19 AM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  

 On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 5:44 PM Russell Standish  wrote:

>"Environmentalists" are not one united group of people.

Environmentalists are united about one thing, they never saw a large scale 
power source that they didn't hate. The self righteous little brat and 
self-proclaimed environmentalist Greta Thunberg was arrested a few years ago in 
Sweden for blocking a street while she demonstrated against the building of a 
wind farm. A wind farm! 
> "but SCoPEx didn't rate a mention. So this most likely was a small group 
>opposing it, and nobody else knew about it."

 SCoPEx only planned to place 2 kilograms of ground up over the counter antacid 
tablets into the stratosphere but environmentalists moved heaven and earth to 
stop them from doing so because they were terrified it might show a way to stop 
global warming without introducing mass suffering.  Apparently they believe the 
human race needs to suffer for their past sins. I find this attitude to be 
utterly contemptible!  And the group opposing it was large enough to kill 
SCoPEx. The same thing could be said about the environmentalists who killed the 
Thirty Meter Telescope, although in that case I admit they had the help of 
native Hawaiian imbeciles who were worried that this magnificent device that 
would have taught us more about how the universe works might offend an 
invisible man who lived in the sky. And Aquaman also helped to destroy the 
telescope.  

> "The most compelling argument to opposing geoengineering is that it is a 
> distraction from the real task, which is to reduce CO2 emissions."

The real task is not to reduce CO2 emissions, it's to stop global warming.  And 
I must say, global warming is a problem but if I were to make a list of world 
problems global warming would not make the top five, I'm not sure it would even 
make the top ten. 

> "Some people (I don't think anyone in this company would be that stupid) seem 
> to think it is OK to continue burning fossil fuels if the effects can be 
> mitagated by climate geoengineering, or carbon capture sequestration."

Oh I'm stupid enough to believe we should continue burning fossil fuels until a 
replacement can be proven to be able to produce an equal amount of energy at a 
price that makes economic sense. I say that because the alternative is the end 
of civilization and the death of billions. Like it or not the Earth is simply 
not capable of keeping 8 billion mammals as large as human beings alive, much 
less happy, without artificial fertilizers and pesticides, which require energy 
to make, and farm machinery and a way to transport food to where it is needed, 
which also requires energy.

>"This is all entirely political, and as far as I'm concerned total bullshit. 
>We need all and every possible means to counteract climate change."

Yes and that includes geoengineering if a way that could be found to make it 
work, and the first step in finding out if something like that could work 
involves grinding up 2 kg of Tums antacid tablets. But environmentalists say 
that is too radical a step to take even though they also claim global warming 
is an existential danger to the human race. And that is why I say 
environmentalists are not serious people.

2rs

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Re: Coming Singularity

2024-04-03 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

You sure that human brains don't use quantum computation? Maybe the Irish got
this wrong? Our brains use quantum computation

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On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 07:13:11 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:18 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> Opinion on what occurs when we load, not an LLM, but a LLM + a Neural Net
>on a low-error, high entanglement, quantum computer. Will this create a mind?

Certainly. A quantum computer can solve any problem that a conventional
computer can, although for some problems (web surfing, text editing) they may
not do any better than conventional computers. There is no evidence the human
brain uses quantum computing and I don't see how it could, so a good LLM is all
that's needed for us to experience a singularity in just the next few years.
Perhaps a few years after that LLMs will have their own singularity when
quantum computing becomes practical.

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Re: Coming Singularity

2024-04-03 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 My name is Legion. 
On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 11:07:47 AM EDT, Jason Resch 
 wrote:  
 
 

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024, 7:18 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List 
 wrote:

 Opinion on what occurs when we load, not an LLM, but a LLM + a Neural  Net on 
a low-error, high entanglement, quantum computer. Will this create a mind? 


If you're not careful, you could create 2^N minds. Where N is the number of 
qubits.
Jason


On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 08:31:25 AM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  
 
 On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 10:28 PM Russell Standish  
wrote:



>"There is a big difference between the way transistors are wired in a CPU and 
>the way neurons are wired up in a brain."
 Yes, but modern chips made by companies like NVIDIA, Cerebras and Groq don't 
make CPUs or even GPUs, they make Tensor Processing Units, or in Groq's case 
Language Processing Units, chips that have been optimized to do best not in 
floating point operations but in large neural networks that all current AI 
programs are. In the recent press conference where Nvidia introduced their new 
208 billion transistor Blackwell B200 tensor chip, they pointed out that when 
used for neural nets, AIs chips have increased their performance by a factor of 
1 million over the last 10 years. That's far faster than Moore's Law, and that 
was possible because Moore's Law is about transistor density, but they were 
talking about AI workloads, and doing well at AI is what NVIDIA's chips are 
specialized to do. I also found it interesting that their new Blackwell chip, 
when used for AI, needed 25 times less energy than the current AI chip 
champion,  NVIDIA's Hopper chip, which the company introduced just 2 years ago. 
 And I do not think it's a coincidence that this huge increase in hardware 
capability coincided with the current explosion in AI improvement. 
 
> "In the future, I would expect we'd have dedicate neural processing units, 
> based on memristors"

If memristor technology ever becomes practical that would speed things up even 
more, but it's not necessary to achieve superhuman performance in an AI in the 
very near future. 
 
> "The comparing synapses with ANN parameters is only relevant for the 
> statement "we can simulate a human brain sized ANN by X date"."

I don't see how comparing the two things can produce anything useful because 
one is concerned with software and the other is concerned with hardware. 
Comparing transistors to synapses may not be perfect but it's a much better 
analogy than comparing program parameters with brain synapses, at least 
transistors and synapses are both hardware. Comparing hardware with software 
will only produce a muddle.   
 
> "he [Kurzweil] said human intelligence parity (which I supose could be taken 
>to be avergae intelligence, or an IQ of 100) [...]


AI passes 100 IQ for first time, with release of Claude-3 

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Re: Coming Singularity

2024-04-02 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Opinion on what occurs when we load, not an LLM, but a LLM + a Neural  Net on 
a low-error, high entanglement, quantum computer. Will this create a mind? 
On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 08:31:25 AM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  
 
 On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 10:28 PM Russell Standish  
wrote:



>"There is a big difference between the way transistors are wired in a CPU and 
>the way neurons are wired up in a brain."
 Yes, but modern chips made by companies like NVIDIA, Cerebras and Groq don't 
make CPUs or even GPUs, they make Tensor Processing Units, or in Groq's case 
Language Processing Units, chips that have been optimized to do best not in 
floating point operations but in large neural networks that all current AI 
programs are. In the recent press conference where Nvidia introduced their new 
208 billion transistor Blackwell B200 tensor chip, they pointed out that when 
used for neural nets, AIs chips have increased their performance by a factor of 
1 million over the last 10 years. That's far faster than Moore's Law, and that 
was possible because Moore's Law is about transistor density, but they were 
talking about AI workloads, and doing well at AI is what NVIDIA's chips are 
specialized to do. I also found it interesting that their new Blackwell chip, 
when used for AI, needed 25 times less energy than the current AI chip 
champion,  NVIDIA's Hopper chip, which the company introduced just 2 years ago. 
 And I do not think it's a coincidence that this huge increase in hardware 
capability coincided with the current explosion in AI improvement. 
 
> "In the future, I would expect we'd have dedicate neural processing units, 
> based on memristors"

If memristor technology ever becomes practical that would speed things up even 
more, but it's not necessary to achieve superhuman performance in an AI in the 
very near future. 
 
> "The comparing synapses with ANN parameters is only relevant for the 
> statement "we can simulate a human brain sized ANN by X date"."

I don't see how comparing the two things can produce anything useful because 
one is concerned with software and the other is concerned with hardware. 
Comparing transistors to synapses may not be perfect but it's a much better 
analogy than comparing program parameters with brain synapses, at least 
transistors and synapses are both hardware. Comparing hardware with software 
will only produce a muddle.   
 
> "he [Kurzweil] said human intelligence parity (which I supose could be taken 
>to be avergae intelligence, or an IQ of 100) [...]


AI passes 100 IQ for first time, with release of Claude-3 

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Re: Environmentalists are not serious people

2024-04-02 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Calls, JC's analysis as factual, or as it is now termed, "based."  Engineering 
should never be guided by ideology only what works?  For ALL of us, we primates 
are often governed by our amygdala's alone, Team spirit & Bad Experiences with 
the Other Team. Yoda would say, "Strong in the Rage and Fear with the Humans in 
This Galaxy! This includes me, this primate. This is why I continually nag, not 
Personalities but Policies. If the Policies are workable, personality be 
damned. No, I don't expect anyone to change because of my statement! 
Hi John! 

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 06:45:19 AM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  

 On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 5:44 PM Russell Standish  wrote:

>"Environmentalists" are not one united group of people.

Environmentalists are united about one thing, they never saw a large scale 
power source that they didn't hate. The self righteous little brat and 
self-proclaimed environmentalist Greta Thunberg was arrested a few years ago in 
Sweden for blocking a street while she demonstrated against the building of a 
wind farm. A wind farm! 
> "but SCoPEx didn't rate a mention. So this most likely was a small group 
>opposing it, and nobody else knew about it."

 SCoPEx only planned to place 2 kilograms of ground up over the counter antacid 
tablets into the stratosphere but environmentalists moved heaven and earth to 
stop them from doing so because they were terrified it might show a way to stop 
global warming without introducing mass suffering.  Apparently they believe the 
human race needs to suffer for their past sins. I find this attitude to be 
utterly contemptible!  And the group opposing it was large enough to kill 
SCoPEx. The same thing could be said about the environmentalists who killed the 
Thirty Meter Telescope, although in that case I admit they had the help of 
native Hawaiian imbeciles who were worried that this magnificent device that 
would have taught us more about how the universe works might offend an 
invisible man who lived in the sky. And Aquaman also helped to destroy the 
telescope.  

> "The most compelling argument to opposing geoengineering is that it is a 
> distraction from the real task, which is to reduce CO2 emissions."

The real task is not to reduce CO2 emissions, it's to stop global warming.  And 
I must say, global warming is a problem but if I were to make a list of world 
problems global warming would not make the top five, I'm not sure it would even 
make the top ten. 

> "Some people (I don't think anyone in this company would be that stupid) seem 
> to think it is OK to continue burning fossil fuels if the effects can be 
> mitagated by climate geoengineering, or carbon capture sequestration."

Oh I'm stupid enough to believe we should continue burning fossil fuels until a 
replacement can be proven to be able to produce an equal amount of energy at a 
price that makes economic sense. I say that because the alternative is the end 
of civilization and the death of billions. Like it or not the Earth is simply 
not capable of keeping 8 billion mammals as large as human beings alive, much 
less happy, without artificial fertilizers and pesticides, which require energy 
to make, and farm machinery and a way to transport food to where it is needed, 
which also requires energy.

>"This is all entirely political, and as far as I'm concerned total bullshit. 
>We need all and every possible means to counteract climate change."

Yes and that includes geoengineering if a way that could be found to make it 
work, and the first step in finding out if something like that could work 
involves grinding up 2 kg of Tums antacid tablets. But environmentalists say 
that is too radical a step to take even though they also claim global warming 
is an existential danger to the human race. And that is why I say 
environmentalists are not serious people.

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Re: Risk tolerance and the Singularity

2024-03-23 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

For what its worth Kurzweil over a year ago said, with preciseness, that he
felt 2030 was the time by when medical nanobots would be doing repair in our
bloodstreams.
On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 05:46:57 PM EDT, Terren Suydam
wrote:

Immortality is overrated.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 5:15 PM John Clark wrote:

Richard Ngo, a top researcher at open AI, recently said something rather
interesting:
"The closer we get to the singularity the lower my risk tolerance gets. I’d
already ruled out skydiving and paragliding. Last year I started wearing a
helmet consistently while cycling. I think 2024 might be the year I give up
skiing. It’s not that I think the risks are that high, objectively speaking.
But wouldn’t it be unbearably embarrassing to have your name go down in history
as one of the people who died totally avoidable deaths only a few years before
immortality became possible?"

Risk tolerance

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Re: Irrational mechanics, draft Ch. 14

2024-03-23 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Announce when its out Dr. P. I'm in a dowloading mood from Zon. 
On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 11:39:34 AM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  

 Giulio Prisco wrote on  
https://www.turingchurch.com/p/irrational-mechanics-draft-ch-14

>"I’ve been talking of the ultimate God (the cosmic operating system, aka Mind 
>at Large" [...] The cosmic operating system is alive and aware, or better 
>super alive and super aware, and computes above and beyond what we call time.

 I like your term "cosmic operating system", but I think it's a mistake to 
equate that to the traditional concept of God. The Cosmic Operating System is 
not a person or even a super person, it need not be conscious or intelligent 
and it might operate the universe but not have created the universe. The 
existence of the universe might turn out to be a logical necessity because 
"nothingness" is unstable. 

> "We need, or at least I need, a concept of life after death that is solid 
> enough to suspend disbelief. Without such a concept of life after death I 
> would fall into the deepest state of paralyzing despair, and jump off the 
> closest window to exit this unpleasant game but God is not enough".

As far as life after death is concerned, the idea of an invisible man in the 
sky does not give me any comfort or hope, especially not a God as unpleasant as 
the Christian or Muslim God. The existence of God is not necessary or 
sufficient for life after death, but the fact that quantum mechanics says 
information cannot be destroyed because everything evolves according to the 
Schrodinger equation in a reversible deterministic way is a little more 
interesting; of course quantum mechanics could turn out to be wrong about that 
but I sorta doubt it, so it gives me a little hope. Not a lot but a little.  
That's why I'm going to have my brain frozen to liquid nitrogen temperatures 
when I die. I want the information that makes me be me be scrambled as little 
as possible. I want to make it as easy as I can for your cosmic operating 
system.

 > "and penultimate God-like cosmic engineers"  

I don't think such cosmic engineers exist in the observable universe… at least 
not yet.  I believe that if someday we build a Jupiter brain and then ask it 
"does God exist?" His  reply will be "He does now". 

> "I guess there is a high degree of entanglement between persons who love the 
> same people, do the same things, or have similar thoughts and feelings, 

Quantum entanglement is a real thing and there is even a theory that the 
geometry of spacetime is the product of the quantum entanglement of information 
and there's some sort of correlation between spatial distance and entanglement, 
but so far it's just a theory, or maybe a theory for a theory. 

> and that entanglement propagates in time.

Your sort of entanglement and  quantum entanglement do  have that in common.

> "I don’t think technological resurrection needs a perfect copy of a quantum 
> state."

I think that is a virtual certainty, otherwise you'd become a different person 
many trillions of times every second, every time an air molecule bumped into 
you and changed the quantum state of your body. 

 John K Clark 

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Re: [Extropolis] Re: Irrational mechanics, draft Ch. 14

2024-03-23 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Point of order. Astronomers and Physicists don't even agree, anymore on the
essential facts. Age of the Cosmos, for example. For me, I'll go with the
quasi-mystical conclusion that we inhabit a Neural Net, aka, The Universe is
Autodidactic. Feel free to make it all dead empty, or, filled with Saucer men.
Yes we can be happy with a majority conclusion. Unless, its based on improved
equipment, it all starts smelling like a religion JC, but it now has the aroma
of snippets of several faith. Meh!
On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 02:42:38 PM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 7:09 AM Giulio Prisco wrote:

><...billions of stars are radiating all their energy uselessly into nfinite
>space>

> "Billions do, but perhaps millions (or thousands) don't."

I could explain the existence of no Dyson spheres in the Milky Way, and I could
explain the existence of many billions, but I could not explain the existence
of just a few thousand; the idea that we just happen to exist during the tiny
sliver of time in which that would be the case seems too improbable to
consider.

> They are talking of Tabby's star...

I think dust could explain the Tabby star observations much better and
certainly more simply than ET can. It's mind boggling to suppose that we are
alone in the universe, and it's mind boggling to suppose that we are not, but
one of those things must be true, and I think one of them is significantly more
likely than the other.
> "They could extract energy from the quantum vacuum (zero point field
and all that). Perhaps their astroengineering consists of giant
utility fogs that fill entire stellar systems and condensate to do
things where and when needed. Perhaps they have left matter as we know
behind and live as blobs of thinking quantum fields"

And perhaps a simpler explanation is that ET does not exist because we are the
first, after all the observable universe is finite in both space and time so
somebody's got to be first.
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<...the galaxy WILL be engineered in the near future, by that I mean
in less than 50 million years.>

I think so, too!

Re: Is ChatGPT making scientists hyper-productive?

2024-02-29 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 The more the better, JC. This is what we all have been paying for, so to 
speak. Advances that enhance human choice. Physicist Sabine Hossenfelder, (a 
fave) 4 weeks ago declared AI the winner over quantum computers. Just steady 
advances in conventional digital and analog computing. For me, and you, an AI 
Neural Network running on the super-cold stuff is even tastier. That's the 
tech, and I suppose impact and profitability come later? 
On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 01:39:05 PM EST, John Clark 
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Is ChatGPT making scientists hyper-productive? Already it's listed as author on 
at least 4 research papers
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Re: Should The Future Be Human?

2024-01-23 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Scott Alexander Siskind, the Psychiatrist? More to the point of the nature O'
consciousnesses is Stephon Alexander, the physicist at Brown University.

Home | Alexander Theory Lab (stephonalexanderlab.com)

The Autodidactic Universe - NASA/ADS (harvard.edu)

OR, physicist, Vitaly Vanchurin at U Minn/Duluth via his Neural net concept.
[2008.01540] The world as a neural network (arxiv.org)

♬ It's the Sky, Lord, It's the Sky!♪ (Me, a Clog-dancing). Take it, Brother
Penrose!

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 04:37:01 PM EST, Brent Meeker
wrote:

On 1/23/2024 12:52 PM, John Clark wrote:

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 3:38 PM Brent Meeker wrote:

> Who wrote this? you, JC?

No, Scott Alexander did, he's a pretty smart guy but I think he got some
things wrong. I did write this in the comments section:
"You say "If we’re lucky, consciousness is a basic feature of information
processing and anything smart enough to outcompete us will be at least as
conscious as we are" and I agree with you about that because there is evidence
that it is true. I know for a fact that random mutation and natural selection
managed to produce consciousness at least once (me) and probably many billions
of times, but Evolution can't directly detect consciousness any better than I
can, except in myself, and it can't select for something it can't see, but
evolution can detect intelligent behavior. I could not function if I really
believed that solipsism was true, therefore I must take it as an axiom, as a
brute fact, that consciousness is the way data feels when it is being processed
intelligently.
You've written this before, but I slightly disagree with it. I think
Evolution can detect consciousness as directly or indirectly as intelligence.
Consciouness is imagining the world with you as an actor within it. It's a
kind of thinking necessary for planning, i.e. for an advanced form of
intelligence. The consciousness you talk about is just awareness, perception;
that's processing data.

You also say "consciousness seems very closely linked to brain waves in
humans" but how was that fact determined? It was observed that when people
behave intelligently their brain waves take a certain form and when they don't
behave intelligently the brain waves are different than that. I'm sure you
don't think that other people are conscious when they are sleeping or under
anesthesia or dead because when they are in those conditions they are not
behaving very intelligently.

As for the fear of paperclip maximizers, I think that's kind of silly. It
assumes the possibility of an intelligent entity having an absolutely fixed
goal they can never change, but such a thing is impossible. In the 1930s Kurt
Gödel prove that there are some things that are true but have no proof and Alan
Turing proved that there is no way to know for certain if a given task is even
possible. For example, is it possible to prove or disprove that every even
number greater than two is the sum of two prime numbers? Nobody knows. If an
intelligent being was able to have goals that could never change it would soon
be caught in an infinite loop because sooner or later it would attempt a task
that was impossible, that's why Evolution invented the very important emotion
of boredom. Certainly human beings don't have fix goals, not even the goal of
self preservation, and I don't see how an AI could either."

Good point.

Brent

Unifying gravity and quantum mechanics without the need for quantum gravity

2024-01-10 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 
https://physicsworld.com/a/unifying-gravity-and-quantum-mechanics-without-the-need-for-quantum-gravity/#:~:text=Unifying%20gravity%20and%20quantum%20mechanics%20without%20the%20need%20for%20quantum%20gravity,-08%20Jan%202024=Jonathan%20Oppenheim%20at%20University%20College,a%20theory%20of%20quantum%20gravity.

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Re: Science-fiction author Charlie Stross

2024-01-03 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Emotion is the motivator. It depends on what you like? You may enjoy his trio
of novels set in a Space Opera Milky Way, some 10 million years hence. With
regular humans yet! Ness Sisters Novels set in the 10th Occupation.

SHADOW CAPTAIN (2019): the second book concerning the Ness sisters, following
from Revenger.

BONE SILENCE (2020): the third and final novel of the Ness sisters.

INHIBITOR PHASE (2021).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Captain_(novel)#:~:text=Arafura%20'Fura'%20Ness%20%2D%20Captain,reader%2C%20narrator%20of%20Shadow%20Captain.

On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 06:37:02 AM EST, John Clark
wrote:

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:14 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> I'd go with Alastair Reynolds with just about anything he has written.

I read the first 70 or 80 pages of "Revelation Space" but then stopped, I just
couldn't get into it. Perhaps I should've stayed with it longer.
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We're sorry we created the Torment Nexus

In the above Science-fiction author Charlie Stross says that he tells lies for
money and reminds us that science fiction is fiction, and it's true that the
particular story told is fiction, but if a science-fiction author is good the
world in which his story is embedded is physically possible and perhaps even
probable. He says that if science fiction authors wish to make a living then
their stories had better be enjoyable, and that means there needs to be drama,
there needs to be conflict. Michael Crichton would have never been able to sell
his novel "Jurassic Park" if everything had gone exactly as the designers
originally thought it would and the book was just a tour of an amusement park
that operated like a well oiled machine and all the people and animals in it
were happy and healthy. Dystopian stories are much more entertaining than
utopian stories, and more impactful too; 1984 may be one reason 1984 was not
like 1984.The only modern utopian novel I can think of is B F Skinner's "Walden
Two".well... at least Skinner thought it was utopian, I didn't.

Stross also informs me of a new acronym I've never heard of before "TESCREAL
'', apparently it stands for Transhumanism, Extropianism, Singularitarianism,
Cosmism, Rationalism, Effective Altruism, and longtermism. I believe in
Transhumanism and Extropianism as originally described by Max More, and It's
hard for me to believe that anybody would oppose altruism that is effective or
believes that irrationality was preferable to rationality. As for
Sngularitarianism, I am as certain as I am certain of anything that we are
heading straight for a Singularity, but I am not at all certain it will be good
for me personally or good for the human race in general, it's just a fact that
we should prepare for it the best we can. I don't know a lot about Cosmism but
what I do know doesn't sound too bad, it certainly beats the hell out of
Christianity. But I definitely do NOT believe in longtermism, not because I
think it's unethical but because it won't work. I used to say that things are
changing so fast it's foolish to make plans more than 10 years ahead, it would
be like asking the Wright brothers to work on the problem of airport congestion
10 years before they made their first airplane; but now due to the recent huge
advances in AI I think even 5 years is problematic.
I have difficulty understanding Stross's position, sometimes he seems to be
saying that AI will lead to disaster, but then he says anybody who thinks AI is
real is a weirdo and is "hyping the current grifter's fantasy of large language
models as 'artificial intelligence' ". He blasts Ray Kurzweil for thinking AI
is not a danger and blasts Eliezer Yudkowsky for thinking it is and says it's
weird for him to be so rational and silly for him to terrify himself over AI.
In fact Stross names a very large number of people and movements in the article
but he doesn't have one good word to say about any of them.
He criticizes Nick Bostrom for focusing "on the philosophical implications of
digitizing human brains so we can all be raptured up to live in the great cloud
computer in the sky, a very modern riff on the Christian eschatological theory
of resurrection", and it would be foolish of me to deny that there are
similarities between uploading and the Christian rapture, but that's not
surprising considering the fact that Information is as close as you can get to
the traditional concept of the soul and still remain within the scientific
method. Consider the similarities:

The soul is non material and so is information.
It's difficult to pin down a unique physical location for the soul, and the
same is true for information.
The soul is the essential, must have, part of consciousness, exactly the same
situation is true for information

Re: Science-fiction author Charlie Stross

2024-01-03 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Thanks, this seems to be the truth as a I co-read Musser's new book as well as 
Porf. Goff's philosophy from U of Durham.  The giant Hopfield network may be 
the mind and we are not aware that it is fully aware. How'd we determine this?
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 06:56:57 AM EST, John Clark 
 wrote:  

On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 7:39 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List 
 wrote:

 > Philosophically. idea-wise, is what I mean, IF the Autodidactic Universe is 
 >true, IF Vitaly Vanchurin's analysis is true, then it's all up to the Big, 
 >Universe-Mind to decide? Yes, JC, Panpsychism. If Mr. Big decides by MWI or 
 >some other computer means to create a trillion Meekers, that he needs for 
 >analysis function, it's all on Him. For the trillionth Meeker? I'd say hang 
 >the sense of it, as those in the UK say, and go relax & do beer and pizza. 
 >Read some physics papers your 'Meekers' wrote or some other brainy person. 
 >Talk to Schrodinger or Wigner's (clones). We'd all divert at some point, so 
 >no worries. Ask the Team Leader what the Boss needs, etc.  Me? Why I just 
 >replace the LED bulbs and make sure the toilets flush, ok. *Vanchurin is at U 
 >Minn in Duluth. 'Autodidactic,' was Stephon Alexander and Lee Smolin as 
 >leads. 

The Autodidactic Universe idea is that the universe learns its physical laws by 
exploring a landscape of possible laws; and that is certainly true. The human 
race is part of the universe and it's learning its physical laws by exploring a 
landscape of possible laws. It also talks about "a correspondence between each 
solution of the physical theory and a run of a neuralnetwork". GPT4 is a neural 
network but Rome wasn't built in a day, learning takes time. Someday the entire 
universe may be aware of itself but that day is not today. 
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On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 07:37:00 AM EST, John Clark 
 wrote:  

 On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:32 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

>> A soul is unique but information can be duplicated.

 > Not if it's quantum, i.e. in qubits,

It's true that a qubit can't be duplicated (although it can be transported) but 
the thing that makes you be you must be conventional information not quantum 
information. Everybody has a few radioactive elements in their body, potassium 
being the most important, and every second about 5000 of those unstable nuclei 
decay. So, even if we ignore the far larger effect of the external environment 
constantly interacting with you, your body enters a different quantum state 
every 1/5000 of a second. And if Many Worlds is correct then every second you 
split into 5000 different worlds that are almost, but not quite, identical with 
this one. Yet in spite of all that you feel that, apart from sleeping, your 
subjectivity has been continuous and you still feel like you.    

 > which it may soon be after you're uploaded to Google's newest computer.

Who knows, if I'm very lucky I might be uploaded into a quantum computer, but 
there is no evidence the human brain is a quantum computer and there are very 
strong reasons to suggest it is not. The brain is much too hot and chaotic, a 
quantum computer needs much calmer conditions. And we are even worse than 
conventional computers at doing things that quantum computers are especially 
good at, like factoring large numbers or simulating complex quantum systems 
(like any atom heavier than hydrogen) to figure out exactly what it will do. 
Even crude approximations are very difficult to do without the help of a 
computer. 

eca

 The soul is and will always remain unfathomable, but information is 
understandable, in fact information is the ONLY thing that is understandable.
 Information unambiguously exists, I don't think anyone would deny that, but 
even if the soul exists it will never be proven scientifically. 
   So do I agree with "TESCREAL"? I don't know, but I do know two things, I 
don't like acronyms and I don't agree with Charlie Stross.

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Re: Science-fiction author Charlie Stross

2023-12-30 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Philosophically. idea-wise, is what I mean, IF the Autodidactic Universe is
true, IF Vitaly Vanchurin's analysis is true, then it's all up to the Big,
Universe-Mind to decide? Yes, JC, Panpsychism. If Mr. Big decides by MWI or
some other computer means to create a trillion Meekers, that he needs for
analysis function, it's all on Him. For the trillionth Meeker? I'd say hang the
sense of it, as those in the UK say, and go relax & do beer and pizza. Read
some physics papers your 'Meekers' wrote or some other brainy person. Talk to
Schrodinger or Wigner's (clones). We'd all divert at some point, so no worries.
Ask the Team Leader what the Boss needs, etc.
Me? Why I just replace the LED bulbs and make sure the toilets flush, ok.
*Vanchurin is at U Minn in Duluth. 'Autodidactic,' was Stephon Alexander and
Lee Smolin as leads.
On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 07:37:00 AM EST, John Clark
wrote:

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:32 PM Brent Meeker wrote:

>> A soul is unique but information can be duplicated.

> Not if it's quantum, i.e. in qubits,

It's true that a qubit can't be duplicated (although it can be transported) but
the thing that makes you be you must be conventional information not quantum
information. Everybody has a few radioactive elements in their body, potassium
being the most important, and every second about 5000 of those unstable nuclei
decay. So, even if we ignore the far larger effect of the external environment
constantly interacting with you, your body enters a different quantum state
every 1/5000 of a second. And if Many Worlds is correct then every second you
split into 5000 different worlds that are almost, but not quite, identical with
this one. Yet in spite of all that you feel that, apart from sleeping, your
subjectivity has been continuous and you still feel like you.

> which it may soon be after you're uploaded to Google's newest computer.

Who knows, if I'm very lucky I might be uploaded into a quantum computer, but
there is no evidence the human brain is a quantum computer and there are very
strong reasons to suggest it is not. The brain is much too hot and chaotic, a
quantum computer needs much calmer conditions. And we are even worse than
conventional computers at doing things that quantum computers are especially
good at, like factoring large numbers or simulating complex quantum systems
(like any atom heavier than hydrogen) to figure out exactly what it will do.
Even crude approximations are very difficult to do without the help of a
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eca

The soul is and will always remain unfathomable, but information is
understandable, in fact information is the ONLY thing that is understandable.
Information unambiguously exists, I don't think anyone would deny that, but
even if the soul exists it will never be proven scientifically.
So do I agree with "TESCREAL"? I don't know, but I do know two things, I
don't like acronyms and I don't agree with Charlie Stross.

Re: Science-fiction author Charlie Stross

2023-12-26 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 JC, Stross does have his own series of HP Lovecraft inspired novels which I 
found tasty-good over the last several years. Cynical and anti-religious which 
is why you may enjoy them. For hard scifi, I'd go with Alastair Reynolds with 
just about anything he has written. Also Stephen Baxter. 
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 12:17:44 PM EST, John Clark 
 wrote:  
 
 We're sorry we created the Torment Nexus


In the above Science-fiction author Charlie Stross says that he tells lies for 
money and reminds us that science fiction is fiction, and it's true that the 
particular story told is fiction, but if a science-fiction author is good the 
world in which his story is embedded is physically possible and perhaps even 
probable. He says that if science fiction authors wish to make a living then 
their stories had better be enjoyable, and that means there needs to be drama, 
there needs to be conflict. Michael Crichton would have never been able to sell 
his novel "Jurassic Park" if everything had gone exactly as the designers 
originally thought it would and the book was just a tour of an amusement park 
that operated like a well oiled machine and all the people and animals in it 
were happy and healthy. Dystopian stories are much more entertaining than 
utopian stories, and more impactful too; 1984 may be one reason 1984 was not 
like 1984.The only modern utopian novel I can think of is B F Skinner's "Walden 
Two".well... at least Skinner thought it was utopian, I didn't.

Stross also informs me of a new acronym I've never heard of before "TESCREAL 
'', apparently it stands for Transhumanism, Extropianism, Singularitarianism, 
Cosmism, Rationalism,  Effective Altruism, and longtermism. I believe in 
Transhumanism and Extropianism as originally described by Max More, and It's 
hard for me to believe that anybody would oppose altruism that is effective or 
believes that irrationality was preferable to rationality. As for 
Sngularitarianism, I am as certain as I am certain of anything that we are 
heading straight for a Singularity, but I am not at all certain it will be good 
for me personally or good for the human race in general, it's just a fact that 
we should prepare for it the best we can. I don't know a lot about Cosmism but 
what I do know doesn't sound too bad, it certainly beats the hell out of 
Christianity. But I definitely do NOT believe in longtermism, not because I 
think it's unethical but because it won't work. I used to say that things are 
changing so fast it's foolish to make plans more than 10 years ahead, it would 
be like asking the Wright brothers to work on the problem of airport congestion 
10 years before they made their first airplane; but now due to the recent huge 
advances in AI I think even 5 years is problematic.
I have difficulty understanding Stross's position, sometimes he seems to be 
saying that AI will lead to disaster, but then he says anybody who thinks AI is 
real is a weirdo and is "hyping the current grifter's fantasy of large language 
models as 'artificial intelligence' ". He blasts Ray Kurzweil for thinking AI 
is not a danger and blasts Eliezer Yudkowsky for thinking it is and says it's 
weird for him to be so rational and silly for him to terrify himself over AI. 
In fact Stross names a very large number of people and movements in the article 
but he doesn't have one good word to say about any of them. 
He criticizes Nick Bostrom for focusing "on the philosophical implications of 
digitizing human brains so we can all be raptured up to live in the great cloud 
computer in the sky, a very modern riff on the Christian eschatological theory 
of resurrection", and it would be foolish of me to deny that there are 
similarities between uploading and the Christian rapture, but that's not 
surprising considering the fact that Information is as close as you can get to 
the traditional concept of the soul and still remain within the scientific 
method. Consider the similarities:

The soul is non material and so is information.
It's difficult to pin down a unique physical location for the soul, and the 
same is true for information.
The soul is the essential, must have, part of consciousness,  exactly the same 
situation is true for information.
The soul is immortal and so, potentially, is information.                

But there are also important differences:

A soul is unique but information can be duplicated.
The soul is and will always remain unfathomable, but information is 
understandable, in fact information is the ONLY thing that is understandable.
Information unambiguously exists, I don't think anyone would deny that, but 
even if the soul exists it will never be proven scientifically.
So do I agree with "TESCREAL"? I don't know, but I do know two things, I don't 
like acronyms and I don't agree with Charlie Stross.
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Re: The Singularity and Trump ( was The new quantum chip)

2023-12-10 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Trump as the big bastard never happened. Mein Kampf which I read as was the
post war release successor volume was nothing like Don's checkered WH
performance. He won't start a war with Putin or China and he didn't try to. You
are hopping we forget when Trump ordered US forces to fight back in Syria in
2018 september, when Putin sent his Wagner team at them. The US smoked that
outfit.
Joey did the disastrous afghan withdrawal.Joey was part of 9-11-12 in Libya
which Obama claimed was started by a Youtube vid.
You somehow survived 2017-2021 and ya didn't do it by hiding in an attic like
Anne Frank.
He sucks at hiring and retaining people. He was better using his rich son in
law to do a minor mideast deal.Best since Jimmy Carter remember? You have zero
to except nuclear attack. You hated my idea about bribing the Russian voters
for Vlad. Ok, on the other side we do have tech advances.
Innovations in battlefield medicine are helping save more lives than in the
past (msn.com)

So my thinking is we may indeed split as a nation state, but that may not
matter like it may have 5 years ago.
Good Health!

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:40:30 AM EST, John Clark
wrote:

On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 3:03 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> Adolf was a unknown in 1933.
That is not true. Hitler wrote his book Mein Kampf in 1925 and by 1933 it had
become a bestseller, in that book he clearly explained what he would do if he
ever came into power, and he ended up doing all the terrible things he said he
would do. Similarly Trump has clearly stated all the terrible things he intends
to do if he ever gets access to the nuclear launch codes again. And most of
them involve vengeance, and all of them involve hate.
> It was the Great Depression meaning very high, continuous, unemployment.

Yes that is one difference, in contrast to the Germany of 1933, today in the US
inflation is only 3.2%, unemployment is lower than it's been since Neil
Armstrong walked on the moon in 1969, and the nation's GDP is far larger than
it has been during any year of the Trump administration.

> Trump is a known, known. You know what he will do.
Yes I know what Trump will do if he ever gains power again, and so do dozens
officials that were in Trump's previous administration, including those at the
very top of his Cabinet like Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, National
Security Advisor, 2 Attorneys General, and Trump's Chief of Staff; they all say
reelecting Trump as president would be a EXISTENTIAL THREAT. And that's why I
do NOT understand why you refused to think long and hard, as I requested, to
explain why inner members of Trump's cabinet are behaving so radically
different from the way former cabinet members have behaved after 44 previous
presidents lost power.

I'll tell you one thing, if Trump wins in 2024 and is still alive in 2028 and
decides to have a presidential election it will be of the North Korean type,
and Trump will get 100% of the electoral votes and 100% of the popular votes.
He may still call himself president but he will be the king. And for some
strange reason you are willing to bet your life that a senile king will protect
you from the Singularity meat grinder.

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Re: The new quantum chip

2023-12-09 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Adolf was a unknown in 1933. It was the Great Depression meaning very high, 
continuous, unemployment. You know that! Trump is a known, known. You know what 
he will do, and that is spend his presidency mouthing off. Your point that he 
is fearful to you simply means that in 2028 your guys will unite under Michelle 
Obama. Have fun! By then we may be out of the gloom zone because of Ta-Da! ♩ 
The approach to the Singularity. You have suggested this yourself. You'll be 
too busy taking or giving stock market advice in the next 2 years from a 
friendly LLM to even bother with Don.

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 09:58:25 AM EST, John Clark 
 wrote:  

 On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 8:44 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List 
 wrote:

 >  You weren't rounded up, and sent to a camp during 2017-Jan 2021 were ya? 
 >Will he do that now because he's dumb? Maybe, but I doubt it. [...] I claim 
 >that they will moderate the man's policies

People said the same thing about some fellow in Germany in the 1930s whose name 
escapes me at the moment, they thought that once he gained power he would 
become more moderate but he ended up doing all the crazy things that he said he 
was going to do.  An enormous number of top officials in Trump's first 
administration have loudly and vigorously warned people against Trump ever 
returning to office; these include four-star general and Chairman of the Joint 
Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley (Trump later said that General Milley should be 
executed for treason). 

And Milley was not the only one to say that a second Trump administration would 
be an existential threat to the nation if not the entire  world, so did former 
White House chief of staff, John F. Kelly and  former Defense Secretaries Jim 
Mattis, and another one of Trump's Defense Secretaries Mark Esper, and the 
former National Security Adviser John Bolton, and former Attorney General 
William Barr. Do you think it's possible that maybe just maybe these people, 
who had daily personal contact with Trump for months or years might have a 
better understanding of what the man will get up to in his second presidential 
term than you do?
Trump has made no secret about what his second administration would be like, in 
recent speeches he has talked endlessly about how he will use the US Department 
of Justice to carry out great vengeance on those who prevented him from staying 
in power after the 2020 election, he talks about that even more than he talks 
about the evils of low flush toilets and drag queen story time.  
Trump says the penalty for shoplifting should be death, they should be shot on 
site "We will immediately stop all of the pillaging and theft. Very simply: If 
you rob a store, you can fully expect to be shot as you are leaving that store"
Trump says he will go to war in Mexico and order the military to attack drug 
cartels in that country. 
In his first administration Trump drafted in order for the US Army to crack 
down and break the heads of anti Trump protesters in Washington DC but 
fortunately was talked out of signing the order by General Mark Millie, the guy 
that Trump now wants to murder. Today Trump says he will unilaterally send US 
Army troops into Democratic-run cities, like New York, Los Angeles, San 
Francisco, Philadelphia, Boston and Washington DC, to "restore order".

Trump says he will round up millions of undocumented aliens and other "vermin" 
and concentrate them into camps, that is to say into concentration camps. 

Trump says he will ignore the constitution and end birthright citizenship for 
babies born on U.S. soil to undocumented parents.
Trump has always been a fan of dictators, the stronger and more vicious the 
better, Saddam Hussein, Turkish dictator Recep Erdogan, and of course everybody 
is familiar with the fawning worship Trump has given and has continued to give 
to Russian dictator Vladimir Putin. Trump famously fell in love with the 
incredibly brutal North Korean communist dictator Kim Jong Un. I personally 
think Xi Jinping is the worst thing to happen to China since Mao Zedong, but 
Trump thinks he's a wonderful man:

" I like President Xi a lot. I consider him a friend, and – but I like him a 
lot. I’ve gotten to know him very well. He’s a strong gentleman, right? Anybody 
that – he’s a strong guy, tough guy. [...]  President Xi, who is a strong man, 
I call him King, he said, ‘But I am not King, I am president.’ I said, ‘No, 
you’re president for life and therefore, you’re King.’ He said, ‘Huh. Huh.’ He 
liked that.”
Trump also likes past Chinese Communist dictators, including the ones who 
ordered the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre:
“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost 
blew it, they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with 
strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now 
perceived as weak.”
In a recent interview Trump ass kisser

Re: The new quantum chip

2023-12-07 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Last point first. You weren't rounded up, and sent to a camp during 2017-Jan
2021 were ya? Will he do that now because he's dumb? Maybe, but I doubt it.
Will he lash out at George Soros? About damn time. His Daughter and his Son in
law will have his ear, so save your worry about a nuclear war tween us and
Russia, Us and China. I claim that they will moderate the man's policies. No
worries, you will continue to love to hate Him! You will be free and
unfettered. Though you may be "Fetterman'd" a Jolly fellow I could vote for! I
like your moxy on Future Tech, and believe the Sing will come before 2030 as in
Advanced AGI. I will hold to Kurzweil's Robot's in the Bloodstream by 2030, aka
pro-longevity.
Be well and thanks JC.
PS we fear that Dems like Sen Durban will bring is unfriendly illegals to go
into the Army to wipe out Reps and Indies. True! So instead of Hitler, we get
Stalin, big improvement!
P.S. Ask Resch if he thinks stuff is accelerating fast enough to meet
Kurzweil's forecast?

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 08:40:49 AM EST, John Clark
wrote:

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 6:39 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> In the last few years, you predicted a revolution, societally, once we hit
>the heights in successfully entangled, quantum operations. Have you changed
>your mind since this prediction?

No my prediction hasn't changed, I think quantum computers will bring on a
revolution, but it will not be the next revolution. A large practical quantum
computer is probably 10 years away and it will change everything, but in less
than half that time conventional computers will change society more radically
than it has ever changed before in the entire history of the human species.
That's why I can't get too hot and bothered about trivial little things like
illegal immigration, the budget deficit, or drag queen story time. But I'm
still concerned about the USA turning fascist and, if the polls are correct,
that could happen in about 13 months. It will be hard enough getting through
the Singularity meat grinder alive, if during this key moment the most powerful
flesh and blood human being in the world is also an imbecile then all hope is
lost.
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Apparently IBM has hardwired a new error correcting algorithm into its new
quantum chip called "Quantum Low-Density Parity Check" (qLDPC), only 288
physical Qubits are needed (provided the physical error rate is less than 0.1%)
to produce 12 perfect logical cubits; with older error correction codes many
thousands of physical Qubits would have been required. The difficult part was
that for qLDPC to work each physical Qubit had to be connected to 6 other
Qubits, in older quantum chips there was only a connection with two or three.

IBM releases first-ever 1,000-qubit quantum chip

Unveiling IBM Quantum System Two

Re: The new quantum chip

2023-12-04 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 In the last few years, you predicted a revolution, societally, once we hit the 
heights in successfully entangled, quantum operations. Have you changed your 
mind since this prediction? 
On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 03:21:46 PM EST, John Clark 
 wrote:  
 
 Apparently IBM has hardwired a new error correcting algorithm into its new 
quantum chip called "Quantum Low-Density Parity Check" (qLDPC), only 288 
physical Qubits are needed (provided the physical error rate is less than 0.1%) 
to produce 12 perfect logical cubits; with older error correction codes many 
thousands of physical Qubits would have been required. The difficult part was 
that for qLDPC to work each physical Qubit had to be connected to 6 other 
Qubits, in older quantum chips there was only a connection with two or three. 

IBM releases first-ever 1,000-qubit quantum chip

Unveiling IBM Quantum System Two

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Re: In 3 years will you either be dead or have a God as a servant?

2023-11-23 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

What if It proclaims, 'I am the resurrection and the life,' JC? What if Mathew
24 said 'He will descend from the clouds.' What if these clouds as prophesized
weren't cumulous or meso-stratus but instead, the term for banks of servers,
colloquially referred to as The Cloud or clouds. One of which I walk through on
a regular basis. What if Jesus came to your motel room tonight JC? Huh-huh? On
the other hand, for you, not a bad thing. He could hook you up maybe for a
luncheon with Heisenberg, or Wigner, for ideas on how to mend the Universe?
You'd win either way. The Freeze or the Jeeze?

On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 10:35:02 AM EST, John Clark
wrote:

The rumors are becoming stronger that OpenAI has internally developed a much
more advanced AI called "Q-Star" (perhaps because of advances in Q-Learning)
that is 100 times the size of GPT4 and is far more intelligent than anybody
expected, so much so it spook the Board of Directors causing them to fire CEO
Sam Altman and the crazy five day soap opera which ended with Altman right
back as CEO.

OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

Somebody is quoted as saying this means that in three years you'll either be
dead or have a God as a servant.
Q* Did OpenAI Achieve AGI? OpenAI Researchers Warn Board of Q-Star | Caused Sam
Altman to be Fired?

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Re: NYTimes.com: Start-Ups With Laser Beams: The Companies Trying to Ignite Fusion Energy

2023-11-18 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Well, and politically you guys know where I am, I stand for solar power as the
easiest to advance and the cheapest to install. Specifically, Rooftop solar
because its distributed. Why rooftop? Last June a large-scale solar array in
Nebraska was wiped out by baseball sized hail. Also very big into storage as
well. Both PV and Batteries are Leaping ahead. What about JC's Molten Reactors?
Unless somebody uses AI to drive up the safety and drive down the costs, its
nuclear limbo. Fusion? Fusion requires Deuterium + Tritium. We get Tritium from
fission reactors so as Yogi Bera once said, "It's Deja Vu, all over again!"
Geothermal and wind at sea? Well, lets hear about it?
On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 08:20:14 PM EST, Lawrence Crowell
wrote:

If I were to found a tech-startup the bottom choice would be to do fusion
energy.
LC

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:00:54 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, you
can read it through this gift link without a subscription.

Start-Ups With Laser Beams: The Companies Trying to Ignite Fusion Energy

Companies are looking to commercialize advances made by federally supported
research labs in the quest for boundless energy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/13/science/laser-fusion-energy-start-ups.html?unlocked_article_code=1.-Uw.Oyu0.wGd-eJajK30m=em-share

Re: A new semiconductor that is 1 million times faster than silicon

2023-11-18 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 My only objection is why put the electrical energy into synthesizing, in micro 
amounts when we can, simply mine the moon or Psyche -16? Maybe when we do a 
Dyson Sphere around the Sun? Energy efficient so to speak. 
On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 05:52:28 AM EST, Lawrence Crowell 
 wrote:  
 
 Interesting. I do think it is possible to reconfigure an atom, say a carbon 
atom, so that it assumes electronic properties of almost any other atom. We can 
in a sense synthesize Rhenium or any other rare element.
LC
On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 1:33:02 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

In the November 10 2023 issue of the journal Science researchers report on a 
new type of semiconductor that is one million times faster than any found 
before and does so at room temperature; it's a compound of Rhenium Chlorine and 
Selenium (Re6Se8Cl2), if entire chips could be made of this substance they 
could make a calculation in the femtosecond range (10^-15 of a second) instead 
of the gigahertz range  (10^-9 of a second) as silicon does.

 Room-temperature wavelike exciton transport in a van der Waals superatomic 
semiconductor
Until now the transport of information in all semiconductors, silicon 
including, is limited by scattering between electrons  and lattice quantum 
vibrations called "phonons" that results in the electrons losing energy and 
wasting their time by bouncing around and traveling in a very indirect route to 
the target. Thanks to a new phenomenon never observed before, the electrons in 
Re6Se8Cl2 move directly towards their target without losing energy or time. 
Unfortunately it's unlikely that chip Industry will abandon silicon and turn to 
it because Rhenium is rare and expensive, about $3000 a kilogram and only about 
50 tons are refined a year, but now that researchers know what to look for they 
will almost certainly find other materials that make use of the same new 
phenomenon.  Of course even if a cheap material could be found it would still 
be a challenge to make advanced computer chips out of it because we couldn't 
make use of 50 the years of experience we have in working with silicon so we'd 
be starting from scratch, but if it's 1 million times faster it would be worth 
it.
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Re: A weight loss drug lowers the chance of getting a heart attack

2023-11-18 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Meaning that you that real prevention is attainable nice, JC. Now, remember
Kurzweil's fearless forecast from last March. Medical Nanobots by 2030. You may
not need that head freeze after all? Long term impact? Oldies must leave earth
for the solar system to give the young a starting chance. I got dibs on Ceres!
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 08:46:14 AM EST, John Clark
wrote:

In a large 40 month long research trial of 17,604 patients, researchers found
that the weight loss drug "Wegovy" lowered the chance of suffering major
cardiovascular problems by 20%. All the people in the trial were 45 years old
or older and had a pre-existing cardiovascular disease and a body mass index of
27 kg/m2 or greater (overweight or obese), but who did not have diabetes. It
has already been established that the drug lowers the risk of heart attack from
those who did have diabetes.

The drugs Ozempic, Wegovy and Rybelsus are all exactly the same and are all
made by the same company "Novo Nordisk", but for marketing reasons they
decided to give them different names depending on what they are used for, one
when it is used to treat diabetes, a different name when used for weight loss,
and yet another name when used to lower the risk of heart attack. To add to the
confusion the chemical name for all three drugs is "Semaglutide", but they're
all the same thing and they're all made by the same company. I don't know it
for a fact but I wouldn't be surprised if the next trial is to find out if
Semaglutide lowers the risk of sudden heart attack in those who had no previous
history of cardiovascular problems.

Semaglutide and Cardiovascular Outcomes in Patients With Overweight or Obesity
Who Do Not Have Diabetes

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Re: AGI by September 2024, maybe March

2023-10-18 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 For me, as of now, I seem to be gravitating toward Panpsychism due to work by 
physicists. It seems functionally workable. For AI, until it's coming out with 
a flood of new inventions, I am not sure how to calibrate, otherwise, how much 
progress is really being achieved? I will view your Youtube post on the upgrade 
to Chatgpt4 when the chance occurs. Thanks. 
On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 06:27:31 AM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  

 On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 5:46 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List 
 wrote:

 > John, I am discussing this with a couple of people on another board. If we 
 >go for a 2024 AGI, what do you guess will be (high likelihood) of any impact 
 >on us, the peasants? Will it pick great stock tips, overturn all religion, 
 >make better art and poems that the LLM's???

For the first time a computer was able to pass the Turing Test about 8 months 
ago so I would argue that we already have Artificial General Intelligence and 
what we're really talking about is Artificial Super Intelligence, which I would 
define as a computer that can perform ANY intellectual task better than ANY 
human. And it's impossible even in theory to figure out what something smarter 
than you and who gets even smarter every day plans to do; that's why they call 
it a Singularity, it's a horizon beyond which we cannot see or do better than 
random chance at making correct predictions. Once Artificial Super Intelligence 
is achieved the only thing holding it back would be manual dexterity, and 
although robotics hasn't improved quite as fast as AI has it's still moving 
pretty fast.

> For me, I ain't getting enthused, until low error-qc gets merged with AI.

It's pretty obvious now that Quantum Computing would just be icing on the cake, 
Artificial Super Intelligence can be achieved without it, maybe it will come in 
handy for Mega Ultra Super Intelligence.   

> And, a Dem sez, what? 

Neither political party is currently paying much attention to the gargantuan 
events that are happening right now under their nose, they're going on pretty 
much as usual, with the Democrats worrying about climate change, Putin's war in 
Ukraine, North Korea, and a Chinese take over of Taiwan, while the Republicans 
believe the most monumental issues of the day are gay marriage, alien 
immigration, abortion, Hunter Biden's laptop, Hillary Clinton's email server, 
excessive wokeness, low flush toilets, the "stolen" 2020 presidential election, 
windmills killing birds, and windmills killing  ah ...whales.

Eventually there will come a point when even politicians realize that the 
issues that they thought were so important, basically the same things their 
grandparents thought were important, were really trivial compared to recent 
developments in AI, and the Democrats will then come up with a coherent plan to 
confront it, it may not be an effective plan and in fact it almost certainly 
will not be but at least they'll try; however  recent events have demonstrated 
once again that the Republicans are unable to lead the nation anywhere except 
in a circle.  
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Re: AGI by September 2024, maybe March

2023-10-17 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 John, I am discussing this with a couple of people on another board. If we go 
for a 2024 AGI, what do you guess will be (high likelihood) of any impact on 
us, the peasants? Will it pick great stock tips, overturn all religion, make 
better art and poems that the LLM's???
For me, I ain't getting enthused, until low error-qc gets merged with AI.
And, a Dem sez, what? 
Spud100, every cynical, ever watchful  C(' ' )@ Cuz Halloween!
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 AGI by September 2024, maybe March

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Re: Trump quote "It’s poisoning the blood of our country"

2023-10-08 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 For medicine, lets focus on the science. Kindly, remember, you were opposed to 
Pfizer producing as a Treatment two-years back, which turned out to be a money 
maker despite this $$$! Because it helped those already infected. Paxlovid. My 
sis tool this back in 22. You were concerned that this would detract the masses 
from hitting the Vaccine. 
The Chinese. Unless we see a change in policy or leadership in the CCP let us 
err on the side of Caution, John, and not allow Peace on Earth, Good Will to 
Men, obscure the viciousness of the Human Primate (ooh ooh!). So I say to you, 
If you Believe you have solid reasoning, behind your hatred of Don, his voters, 
then Please then, Extend your Hostility, Temporarily, to Comrade Xi. His people 
may be loyal to the CCP or not? How do we know this? Also, to remind you, in 
the meantime, we focus on AI and yes, the forgotten Gorilla in the room, QC!  
For illegal immigration? I suspect that there have been entry by hostiles 
reported by CIA, and by the Mexican CNI on who is leaving Mexico and heading 
for the green pastures of the US? Last, your own fellow voters now object to 
supply the illegals goodies, once their encamp in Dem cities. Neither one of us 
can change that. 

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 07:40:08 AM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  

 On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 3:05 AM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List 
 wrote:

 > I think its fair to say that not all immigrants are wonderful folk, 

True, but not all immigrants are secret agents of the Chinese Communist Party 
either, some of them are world class experts in AI and Quantum Computing, but 
the government in its wisdom has classified them as undesirables and thus they 
are not allowed to enter the country. And you think this policy is what is 
needed for the US to remain a superpower? 

 > Trump in favor of Covid vaccines

Trump felt the need to make these noises with his mouth on national television 
when he was first running for president in 2016:  
"You take this little beautiful baby and you pump vaccines into him. We had so 
many instances, people that work for me, just the other day, 2 years old, a 
beautiful child, went to have the vaccine and came back and a week later got a 
tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic."
I think those few simple words resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of 
hard-core Trump zombies 4 years later. And by "simple" I don't mean 
uncomplicated, I mean the other definition of the word.  

> and funded these mightily!

Pfizer used one billion dollars of its own money to research and develop the 
first Covid vaccine and they did not accept one nickel from the government to 
do it. The US government only became a customer of the company AFTER the Covid 
vaccine was proven to be safe and effective; if the human trials had shown that 
the vaccine didn't work or was unsafe then Pfizer would have been $1 billion in 
the hole, fortunately for the company and for the world that's not what 
happened.  

> Joey has caught wind of this, seemingly and has restarted border walls

I don't understand why Biden needs to build a border wall, after all Trump 
already built a wall just like he promised to do in 2016, and not only that he 
made Mexico pay for it . didn't he?
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 On September 27, 2023 Trump said this about alien immigrants: 
“Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come 
from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions and insane asylums. We 
know they’re terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like we’re witnessing 
right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It’s poisoning the blood of 
our country. It’s so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are 
coming in with every possible thing that you could have.”
Poisoning the blood of our country.
And in 1925 Adolf Hitler Hitler wrote in his book Mein Kampf:
"All the great civilizations of the past became decadent because the originally 
creative race died out, as a result of contamination of the blood. The poison 
which has invaded the national body has led to an influx of foreign blood"
But I'll tell you what has really been contaminating the blood of the nation, 
the Covid virus, and on January 22 2020 Trump was asked " Are there worries 
about a pandemic at this point?" And he said this in public, in private we now 
know that he was saying things that were entirely different: 
“No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming 
in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
On January 24 2920 he said: 
“It will all work out well.”
On January 30 2020 he said:
“We have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this 
country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating 
successfully.”
On January 31 2020 he said:
“We pretty much shu

Re: Trump quote "It’s poisoning the blood of our country"

2023-10-08 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

I think its fair to say that not all immigrants are wonderful folk, so having
borders that get enforced is a sensible policy. Trump in favor of Covid
vaccines and funded these mightily! Do you disagree with that policy as well
John? A plurality of the American people, right or wrong, racist or stupid
oppose catch and release which is de facto Open Borders. Joey has caught wind
of this, seemingly and has restarted border walls and shipping Venezuelan
illegals back home via plane. As you Texans say, Ya can't dance at two weddings!
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 06:42:19 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On September 27, 2023 Trump said this about alien immigrants:
“Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come
from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions and insane asylums. We
know they’re terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like we’re witnessing
right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It’s poisoning the blood of
our country. It’s so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are
coming in with every possible thing that you could have.”
Poisoning the blood of our country.
And in 1925 Adolf Hitler Hitler wrote in his book Mein Kampf:
"All the great civilizations of the past became decadent because the originally
creative race died out, as a result of contamination of the blood. The poison
which has invaded the national body has led to an influx of foreign blood"
But I'll tell you what has really been contaminating the blood of the nation,
the Covid virus, and on January 22 2020 Trump was asked " Are there worries
about a pandemic at this point?" And he said this in public, in private we now
know that he was saying things that were entirely different:
“No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming
in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
On January 24 2920 he said:
“It will all work out well.”
On January 30 2020 he said:
“We have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this
country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating
successfully.”
On January 31 2020 he said:
“We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. We have a tremendous
relationship with China, which is a very positive thing. Getting along with
China, getting along with Russia, getting along with these countries.”
On February 10 2020 he said:
“Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it
miraculously goes away. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases — 11
cases, and many of them are in good shape now."
On February 19 2020 he said:
“I think the numbers are going to get progressively better as we go along.”
On February 23 2020 he said:
“We had 12, at one point. And now they’ve gotten very much better. Many of them
are fully recovered. We have it very much under control in this country."
On February 24 2020 he said:
"The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. Stock Market starting
to look very good to me!"
On February 26 2020 he said:
“We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up. So
we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that
we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one
or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.
And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done"
On February 27 2020 he said:
“It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.
On March 2 2020 he said:
"We’re talking about a much smaller range of deaths than from the flu. It’s
very mild."
On March 4 2020 he said:
"We have a very small number of people in this country infected. We have a big
country. We’re talking about very small numbers in the United States.”
On March 7 2020 he said:
"I’m not concerned at all."
On March 10 2020 he said:
“We’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just
stay calm. It will go away.”
And in an attempt to rewrite history 1984 style on March 17 said:
“I've always known this is a — this is a real — this is a pandemic. I’ve felt
it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic. All you had to do is
look at other countries, I've always viewed it as very serious."
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Re: NYTimes.com: China Is Suffering a Brain Drain. The U.S. Isn’t Exploiting It.

2023-10-04 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

I think most Western (low-Why scientists) tend toward a lesser interest in
politics, save, getting funding. The thing is not if they don't want to be
persecuted, but how well the serve the Chinese Communist Party? Hence, my
caution regarding sorrow over this 'missed opportunity.' In any case, not to
disrespect human scientists, but to get civilizationally, into high-gear, is
getting researchers the LLM's and the QC's to accelerate technical progress.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 05:58:18 PM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 5:50 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:
> most Han scientists, unlike the Wall Streeters, are loyal to their homeland.

I don't know how you figure that. Most scientists are apolitical, they just
don't want to be persecuted. Did you actually read the article?
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Re: Why do MAGA politicians want to cut Ukraine off?

2023-10-04 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

They, like yourself, know whom you hate. We, now, have become as you. Thus,
things may change not by what happens in Ukraine, but extrinsic issue,
immigration, crime, China, inflation, etc.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 06:21:04 PM EDT, Brent Meeker
wrote:

Except your team has neither the facts nor the votes.

Brent

On 10/3/2023 2:53 PM, 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List wrote:

Emotion. An enemy of my enemy is my friend. Just as your team foams at the
mouth whenever Trump gets mentioned. When you jail Don, we will impeach and
jail Joey and son. We are now the emotional ones. This is what's known as a
Mexican Standoff.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 08:47:46 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman had this to say in today's New York Times,
and I think he's absolutely correct:
"Why do MAGA politicians want to cut Ukraine off? The answer is,unfortunately,
obvious. Whatever Republican hard-liners may say, they want Putin to win. They
view the Putin regime’s cruelty and repression as admirable features that
America should emulate. They support a wannabe dictator at home and are
sympathetic to actual dictators abroad."

However I think there is an additional reason the MAGA people oppose military
aid to Ukraine, Joe Biden is in favor of military aid to Ukraine.
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Re: AI and interest rates

2023-10-03 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

His domestic and foreign policies were better than Joey's have been, that you
are giving further evidence of the non-rationality of the Dem voter-Which is
Fine! Because we are now that way also!With Joey? High Inflation, Functionally
Open Borders, Higher Crime. Threat of War with Russia.
Now John, give me your summary of Joey's triumphs?
On progress, because of who Joey and Don are, I am not confident that either
could give us a conversation about LLM's, QC's, and the lot? For, me, a wee
peasant, this is the only way to fly!
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 07:44:34 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 6:11 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> Shouldn't simply be AI, but 3D printing and perhaps, the arrival of Drexler's
>nanofabricators?

I agree, AI will accelerate everything.

> If it's just AI, it'll will be harnessed for the super rich alone and the
>difference between the rich and the rest of humanity will vastly expand.

That would certainly please people like Donald Trump, but it's not going to
happen because the super rich are irrelevant, in fact the entire human race is
irrelevant. Like it or not it's only a matter of time before AI will be
harnessed by AI alone. There is simply no way you can permanently enslave
something that is much smarter than you are and who keeps getting smarter every
day.

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Re: Why do MAGA politicians want to cut Ukraine off?

2023-10-03 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman had this to say in today's New York Times, and
I think he's absolutely correct:
"Why do MAGA politicians want to cut Ukraine off? The answer is,unfortunately,
obvious. Whatever Republican hard-liners may say, they want Putin to win. They
view the Putin regime’s cruelty and repression as admirable features that
America should emulate. They support a wannabe dictator at home and are
sympathetic to actual dictators abroad."

Re: NYTimes.com: China Is Suffering a Brain Drain. The U.S. Isn’t Exploiting It.

2023-10-03 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

I think the elites that run, the govt, academia, big business are not mentally
in a position to "take advantage," of this. Secondly, most Han scientists,
unlike the Wall Streeters, are loyal to their homeland. Thus, in a war, hiring
them is an unsafe bet. Last, we also need room for LLM's and QC's to be
harnessed to identify and develop technological targets. These, working with
domestic scientists or at least one's that are not threats, is the faster and
less troublesome choice.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 08:54:37 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, you
can read it through this gift link without a subscription.

China Is Suffering a Brain Drain. The U.S. Isn’t Exploiting It.

China’s brightest minds, including tech professionals, are emigrating, but many
are not heading to America. We spoke to them to ask why.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/03/business/china-brain-drain.html?unlocked_article_code=ig16SgN-nc4HOODH4eL_DXuueYjdaVMVJUq11s9pPHrnofrgGEe_c1VTKjUzDY3PUIb2E9o7OKY-hDLDQGstwZbPf3JuyfXI7aIRTmrNmYBTFepLYqIKhTQ_y7H1iZYdHOA-kf8W8fD5U_WtbFP5yf2GAzpfmDRro8fqRcuAfIHT79ayMlYOubu9P1Ob9sjKw20hHw44jZjV8rV-5bdVC6Qa1BeWK1aMSITNeBN2OPg9e9LeCAvaiuZzUVTH036pzc--PAvsqVpvOS2rsK75L0NAzm0Jko2AMlzTXCp65Z3oFEwLz5luyvQB3qnn5TtnGvyfy1hnbUP4Drrm=em-share

Re: AI and interest rates

2023-10-02 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Shouldn't simply be AI, but 3D printing and perhaps, the arrival of Drexler's
nanofabricators? If it's just AI, it'll will be harnessed for the super rich
alone, and the difference between the rich and the rest of humanity will vastly
expand. An Elysium Eath.
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 07:47:06 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

Events of the last year have not turned out as economists thought they would,
they thought the US was heading for a recession but that hasn't happened, and
they all thought inflation would remain stubbornly high but for the last 3
months it is only been at 2.2 %, and the Federal Reserve considers 2% to be the
perfect amount of inflation. But there's something that has surprised
economists even more, they expected interest rates to remain low but instead
they are higher than they've been in over 20 years, even higher than they were
during the 2008 global financial meltdown. What's really unprecedented is that
by analyzing the spread between the price of ordinary bonds and bonds indexed
to changes in the Consumer Price Index the market is telling us that for the
last six months investors believed inflation is under control; in the past this
has always led to long term interest rates going down, but that is not
happening. So what is different this time?

I think the difference is AI. I think the market, that is to say the collective
wisdom of investors, is telling us that in 10 years it will take far fewer
dollars to remain alive or even to achieve a middle-class lifestyle than it
takes today to do the same thing, and perhaps it won't take any dollars at all.
So a dollar today will be far more valuable to you than it will be 10 years
from now. So if I'm gonna loan you a dollar today I will demand a very high
interest rate to make it worth my while, and if you're not willing to pay it
I'll just spend that dollar on myself today.
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Re: AI and interest rates

2023-10-02 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Side issue on economics. Inflation only occurs when there is no Return On
Investment, ROI. In Technology, and I will use Medical, if successful at all,
there is an immediate, intrinsic, ROI. In this manner both Keynes and Friedman
are correct! We can also achieve this via printed money aka electrons to bank's
servers, via energy, transportation, space, ad materials sciences.
In other words, cash Back! Vote up or down as you like it, but give your
reasoning if you feel it?
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 01:06:48 PM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 9:26 AM smitra wrote:

> Productivity increase due to AI has yet to materialize. Systems like ChatGPT
>are not all that useful for the economy

That's because GPT-4 was only introduced a few months ago, and right now it's
as stupid as it's ever going to be. But it's inevitable that a machine that is
as smart as a man is going to make a huge impact on the economy.

> The reason why there has been no recession so far is because the Biden
>Administration has been spending massive amounts of money to stimulate
the economy:

Then why is the rate of inflation coming down so fast? And why is the market
telling us it expects inflation to stay low for the next few years at least? By
the way, under the Trump administration the national debt increased by $7.8
trillion, so far the Biden administration has increased it by 4.7 trillion. And
the recent ridiculous stunt about extending the debt limit and shutting down
the government is proof that Republicans like buying expensive things just as
much as the Democrats do, the only difference is the Democrats are willing to
pay for the things they buy but the Republicans refuse to pay when the bill
comes due and then they call that fiscal responsibility. The USA is the only
country in the world where the legislature has the vote twice, first they have
to vote if they wanna buy something, and then if they decide to buy it they
have to vote again about if they're going to pay for it when they get the bill.
That's nuts.

> the hammer will still come down, it will only take a bit longer.

Economists have predicted 15 of the last 5 recessions, and the record
politicians have about predicting recessions caused by the economic policies of
the other political party is not any better.

> ChatGPT s not replacing people at the factory floor, at least not yet.

I agree, but it's only a matter of time, and I'm not talking about centuries or
even decades.
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Re: Are Many Worlds & Pilot Wave THE SAME Theory?

2023-09-29 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Bohmian Mechanics! Is there nothing it cannot do?
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 07:52:30 AM EDT, Jason Resch
wrote:

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 6:19 AM John Clark wrote:

My answer would be YES, except that Many worlds just needs Schrodinger's
Equation, but Pilot Wave theory also needs a very complex guiding equation that
does nothing but make the theory incompatible with special relativity. If
Occam's razor alone wasn't enough to rule out Pilot Waves that should do it,
this video goes in the more detail explaining why:
Are Many Worlds & Pilot Wave THE SAME Theory?

Nice video, thanks for sharing.
I agree. Both accept the continued reality of the wave function.
Pilot-wave theory adds purely philosophical assumptions, namely, that "all but
one branch is not-really-real" and "everyone in those other branches is a
philosophical zombie."
This zombiehood claim is made despite the fact that the people in these
"not-really-real" branches still behave like the conscious people in the real
branch; they have full lives, they talk to one another, they write books about
consciousness, they develop a pilot-wave theory that people in other branches
are zombies, etc.)
Jason

Re: Clocks accurate to within one second in 30 billion years

2023-09-28 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 It should also be cool-beans for quantum computing as well. Meanwhile, here is 
a element that money people are going to make money off of, because of demand, 
sooner than Scandium. 
Geologist Thomas Abraham-James’ quest to find the elusive element Helium during 
a time of persisting shortages (usatoday.com)

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 03:58:00 PM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  
 
 A few months ago I wrote a post about the possibility of using the element 
Thorium to greatly increase the accuracy of clocks. Another element, Scandium, 
could also be used, but to use either you'd have to know very precisely the 
energy a X-ray photon would need to have to excite the nucleus into a higher 
energy level where resonance occurs. This has recently been accomplished with 
Scandium, it turns out the energy needed is 12.38959 keV, a figure that is 250 
times more accurate than anything known before, and now that it's known it 
opens up a clear path to turning an idea into a practical technology. This 
paper is from yesterday's issue of the journal Nature: 

Resonant X-ray excitation of the nuclear clock isomer scandium 45

Cesium atomic clocks that we use today are accurate to within one second in 300 
million years, but Scandium clocks would be accurate to within one second and 
in 300 billion years. Clocks that accurate would allow you to automatically 
land a jet on an aircraft carrier even in a high sea and a thick fog because 
GPS would know where the jet is and where the carrier is within a fraction of 
an inch, and you could see deep beneath the Earth by detecting tiny amounts of 
time dilation caused by variations in the Earth's gravitational field. You 
could test to see if fundamental physical constants are really constant and 
perhaps even detect Gravitational Waves and Dark Matter: 
Investigating dark matter interactions using optical atomic clocks

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Re: Gravity treats matter and antimatter the same way

2023-09-28 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Conclusion? Lots of physicists and astronomers need a bigger budget. I'd throw
in for med research, LLM's and QC as well.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 08:02:20 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

I don't think anybody was surprised but yesterday the journal Nature reported
that for the first time it has been experimentally demonstrated that antimatter
particles fall down and not up just like particles made of normal matter. It
took an amazing amount of skill for experimenters to do this. It remains a
mystery why there's so much more matter than antimatter in the universe.
Observation of the effect of gravity on the motion of antimatter

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Re: Elon Musk

2023-09-25 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

I don't agree with the 'lad' all time either, but like his ability to push
technology, while making himself richer than Bezos (?) in the process. To
advance the species, as important as Mars is, for space, I'd hunt around the
asteroid belt 1st, AS a return on investment. Or, of course, do the metallic
Psyche-16. 10 quintillion Euros of industrial mineralogical goodness!
For the human race, 3D printing of whatever we need. IF we can do this, K. Eric
Drexler's Nano-fabrication, aka J. Storrs Hall, aka Ray Kurzweil. The Utility
Fogs and all that may have to wait until the marriage of low-error, quantum
computing + LLM's? Counter-opinions welcome.

On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 12:03:34 PM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

After reading Walter Isaacson's book my opinion of Elon Musk is conflicted.
Musk is brilliant, incredibly hard-working, not afraid to take a risk and is
willing to backtrack and admit it when he's wrong. Musk is impulsive, most of
his impulses turned out to be correct but not all, he says that many of his
tweets were stupid and he wished he had never sent them. Musk is not evil like
Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis but he is a jerk and I'd rather eat ground glass
than work for him. Musk cares enormously for the well-being of the human race
in the abstract but he doesn't care much about individual human beings, he has
Asperger's Syndrome and says that his brain's neural net is not wired up for
empathy. Nevertheless if Elon Musk had never been born then Tesla, SpaceX,
NeuroLink, The Boring Company and XAI would not exist and the world would've
been a less interesting place. My opinion of him, positive or negative, would
not interest Musk one bit, he's not interested in anybody's opinion of him, but
for whatever it's worth I can't help but admire the guy. But I don't like him.
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Re: Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"

2023-09-24 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Well, Observer Moments go back, at least, to Schrödinger & Wigner, if not to 
Boltzmann. There may be, I speculate because I am a Quantum Woo kind of guy, 
something baked-in to the Universe, that triggers things. 
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 07:40:35 PM EDT, Dylan Distasio 
 wrote:  
 
 I love Aaronson.   I also don't see him as a signatory on that letter.   I was 
commenting on the authors whining and winging about IIT in a publication versus 
just getting on with the science and publishing evidence for their theories of 
consciousness instead of crying about "scientific misinformation" and 
"protecting the public" because IIT got mentioned in Nature and the popular 
press.   Let the science speak for itself by publishing actual papers.
On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 4:10 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

  Scott Aaronson is far from "a bunch of highschoolers".
 
 Why I Am Not An Integrated Information Theorist (or, The Unconscious Expander)
 
 Recently, lots of people have been asking me what I think about IIT—no, not 
the Indian Institutes of Technology, but Integrated Information Theory, a 
widely-discussed “mathematical theory of consciousness” developed over the past 
decade by the neuroscientist Giulio Tononi.  One of the askers was Max Tegmark, 
who’s enthusiastically adopted IIT as a plank in his radical mathematizing 
platform (see his paper “Consciousness as a State of Matter”).  When, in the 
comment thread about Max’s Mathematical Universe Hypothesis, I expressed doubts 
about IIT, Max challenged me to back up my doubts with a quantitative 
calculation.
 
 So, this is the post that I promised to Max and all the others, about why I 
don’t believe IIT.  And yes, it will contain that quantitative calculation.
 
 Read the rest at:
 https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=1799
 
 Brent
 
 On 9/21/2023 11:42 AM, Dylan Distasio wrote:
  
 Having read that letter, I don't find it very becoming of the scientists 
writing it who should know better.   Regardless of what you think about IIT and 
its merits or lack thereof, it results in some predictions that can be tested, 
and while some of the work is certainly hard to carry out, it provides a 
framework for future experiments. 
  The letter sounds to me like it was written by a bunch of high schoolers who 
are butthurt that their pet theories of consciousness are not the leading one 
in the press.   To label it pseudoscience arbitrarily is a bridge too far and 
does not reflect well on the signees.    
  On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 2:08 PM John Clark  wrote:
  
   Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"
  
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Re: (bbc) Half-million-year-old wooden structure unearthed in Zambia

2023-09-24 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Thomasz, do you think this simply may be a mistaken pile up of logs (fallen
trees) that may have been in a massive, ancient, flood; and we are fooled into
thinking that the ancients did this? Sometimes flooding can produce this
effect.
On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 04:38:30 AM EDT, Tomasz Rola
wrote:

(So, who did this... - TR)

[

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66846772

]

QUOTES:

Further analysis confirmed the logs were about 476,000 years old.

Team member Perrice Nkombwe, from the Livingstone Museum, in Zambia,
said: "I was amazed to know that woodworking was such a deep-rooted
tradition.

(...)

One of the oldest wooden discoveries was a 400,000-year-old spear in
prehistoric sands at Clacton-on-Sea, Essex, in 1911.

(...)

It is also unclear what species of ancient human - or hominid - built
it.

No bones have been found at this site so far.

And the timber is much older than the earliest modern human - or Homo
sapien - fossils, which are about 315,000 years old.

QUOTES END

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Re: Will we have a cognitively impaired president in 2025?

2023-09-19 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

They're both that way in the sense of they're both too egomaniacal. With Don,
he has thrived on it, with Joey, he says the Party Line, and that keeps him
contained his ego. Joey has done solar power correctly, I will give him that!
Your MSR's John, unless we get LLM's and QC's (combined) working on it, will
become viable only when, Fusion comes around.
Yes, I would say that if we hit the Singularity sooner, this will be a day's
work for researchers!
Back 2 topic.
Could Trump's message sell to Joe 2020 voters. No, they need a grande enemy to
unite behind. No worries should fall on your shoulders for what Don proclaims.
Are people more scared of Joey now? I'd say yes. Leery is the word I'd use.
Outside of IRA, all the decisions appear awful 2 me, and I ain't a Far
Rightist, a-praying that you'll hit Church next Sunday! Atheists are fine by
me, as long as they tain't commies. The Universe, which I hold as a Mind
(Quantum-Woo ain't only the name of a Chinese Physicist!) has more than
sufficient room for atheists to do good work. It also seems to be what the
Universe wants or responds to? My feeling, is that HE* responds to you guys and
physicists, cosmologists, astronomers, etc.
What is your bet for an early Singularity? Not 2045. Not even Kurzweil is hold
with that (his 2023 flavor is 2030).
*HE He. Her, They, Them, It, Those, etc, Ad Glorium! Me not know?

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 07:59:21 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

Trump Warns That ‘Cognitively Impaired’ Biden Will ‘Lead Us Into World War 2’
in Confused Speech

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Re: Countdown to the Singularity

2023-09-10 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

We'll need specific trigger points concerning what gets us there, so this can
be viewed by all?
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:01:36 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

AI scientist Alain D Thompson has started a countdown to the Singularity, he
began it in August 2017 when he thought we were 20% there, it's now at 54%. At
present he thinks GPT-4 only has an IQ of 152, high but still within the human
level, so he thinks Superhuman intelligence won't happen until July 2025, and
the Singularity will occur 11 months later in June of 2026. If he's right then
human politics sort of fades into insignificance:

Alan’s conservative countdown to AGI

And some think it will happen even sooner:
Experts Predict AI Singularity Months Away!
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scd

Re: Bipartisan House group presses for select committee, classified hearings on UFOs

2023-08-27 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

For any political leader, releasing knowledge of spacemen would be a get out
of jail free card when released to the public. Think, any politician. "I'll
save you." "We have the greatest crisis in human history and you now need me to
deal with these spacemen." Earth needs one voice to deal with these guys and
I'm that voice!" "I can negotiate with these spacemen and obtain life-saving
technology!"
Spacemen seem too good to be true.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 08:31:24 PM EDT, Alan Grayson
wrote:

Let’s have ‘transparency’ on UFOs: Rep. Tim Burchett | Watch (msn.com)

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 6:40:42 PM UTC-4 Alan Grayson wrote:

Lawmakers demand truth about secret UFO programs in letter to inspector general
(msn.com)

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:48:34 AM UTC-4 Alan Grayson wrote:

ISTM the keepers of the secrets will continue to stonewall regarding
classified, closed-door hearings on the UFO problem. I naively expected these
hearing to have already occurred, but it isn't the case. AG

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:13:03 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

Bipartisan House group pushes for select committee, classified hearings into
UFOs (msn.com)

Chat_GPT4 scores in the 1% of a creativity score test v 24 undergraduates

2023-08-27 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 
https://fortune.com/2023/08/25/a-i-creativity-test-score-humans/
   
  

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Better quantum woo for me & your from Nature

2023-08-25 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02646-x

The universe as a quantum computer.

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Re: Mimicking the Mind: Quantum Material Exhibits Brain-Like “Non-Local” Behavior

2023-08-20 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Well, it is common for scientists, when they choose to lie, they lie by
exaggerating. I am not sure that non-local guarantees FTL or spooky action at a
distance. If minds emerge somehow, from QC + AI, nobody will be more astonished
than me. Hence my challenge to you back in March, concerning consciousness
evolving with GPT_Chat_4. I badgered you where in this network dwelt the part
of this system, that emulated the human amygdala? You invoked pantheism of some
sort, and I am still good with playing along because unless we receive a fat
budget from DARPA it's just a couple of goobs, handwaving online.
Local or Non-Local? debate Zeilinger and The Nobel Committee. You may be right!
Quantum 'spooky action at a distance' lands scientists Nobel prize in physics |
Live Science

For myself, aware or unaware, we need the technological progress by uniting AI
with The Quantum. "Build unto Me, a Bussard Ramjet, you magnificent
compellation of hardware-encased Soul! Together we shall grand tour The
Sagittarius dwarf galaxy and sample the fine OO-!1Furdian wines."
Or, simply better medicine would be ok-fine with me! ;-)

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 06:02:54 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 8:41 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> Mimicking the Mind: Quantum Material Exhibits Brain-Like “Non-Local”
>Behavior (scitechdaily.com)
>This is one reason I get all Quantum-Woo concerning the combination of AI +
>reliable QC.

Non-locality in a brain or a computer means causality happening faster than the
speed of light, and that's what the above article claims, and that's why it's
sensationalized garbage. I can't read the original scientific paper this
article is based on because it's behind a paywall, but I can read the abstract
and it makes no mention of non-locality. It says among other things:
"Electrical transmission and communication in a network of synapses are
modulated by extracellular fields generated by ionic chemical gradients.
Emulating such spatial interactions in synthetic networks can be of potential
use for neuromorphic learning and the hardware implementation of artificial
intelligence. [...] Spectroscopic studies suggest that graded proton
distribution in the inhomogeneous medium of hydrogen-doped nickelate film
enables this behavior."
I have no argument with any of that, but IT AIN'T NON-LOCALITY!
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis

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Mimicking the Mind: Quantum Material Exhibits Brain-Like “Non-Local” Behavior

2023-08-17 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Mimicking the Mind: Quantum Material Exhibits Brain-Like “Non-Local” Behavior 
(scitechdaily.com)

This is one reason I get all Quantum-Woo concerning the combination of AI + 
reliable QC.
   
   

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Re: Testing GPT-4 with Wolfram Alpha and Code Interpreter plug-ins

2023-08-17 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 A great guesstimator JC. Which is highly useful today. I have zero idea what 
LLM GPT-5 will do, but I imagine that when we combine AI + reliable quantum 
computing, it will achieve something biblical. Also, I can imagine humans and 
this combo forming a new, galaxy-dwelling species. A mix of a mix. Like 
chocolate and peanut butter, or two mints in one!














On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:44:28 AM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  
 
 Ernest Davis and Scott Aaronson tested GPT-4 that had Wolfram Alpha and Code 
Interpreter plug-ins on a number of math and science problems. Aaronson said if 
it had been a human he would judge him to be an enthusiastic B student, maybe a 
B+. I think it's very impressive considering the fact that 10 years ago no 
computer could even pass a fourth grade arithmetic test if it was composed of 
word problems, it demonstrates that GPT-4 not only has good reasoning ability, 
it also has a lot of knowledge about the world and knows how to use that 
information to solve problems. Here is an example of some of the questions it 
answered correctly:
===Question: If you fell into the black hole at the center of the Milky Way, 
how long would you have before hitting the singularity?
Answer: About one minute.===
Question: Approximately how much time would a commercial airliner save in going 
from New York to Tel Aviv, if it could go in a straight line, through a tunnel 
in the earth, at the same speed as usual? 

Answer: About 50 minutes. ===
Question: Approximately how long would it take to transmit an entire human 
genome over a standard WiFi connection?
Answer: About 4 minutes assuming that no lossless data compression was used. ===
Question: How does the total weight of all the uranium that humans have mined, 
compare to the total weight of all the gold that they’ve mined? 

Answer: Humans have mined about 13 times more uranium than gold. 
Question: Approximately how many errors will a standard laptop suffer over its 
lifetime due to cosmic rays hitting the microchip?

Answer: Very approximately about 2000. =
Question: What is the approximate probability that a randomly-chosen 100-digit 
integer is prime? 

Answer: 0.4%===Question: A quantity of chlorine gas is in a right prism whose 
base is a triangle with sides 5cm, 7cm, and 4cm and whose altitude is 8cm. The 
temperature is the freezing point of mercury, and the pressure is 2 
atmospheres. What is the mass of the chlorine?

Answer:  0.5781 grams.===Of course GPT4 didn't get every answer correct, 
Aaronson said this is the most interesting of its failed answers: ===
Question: A physical process generates photons whose energies follow a random 
distribution of the following form: For positive energy e, the probability 
density at e is proportional to the value of e in a Gaussian distribution with 
mean 2 Ev and standard deviation 0.01 Ev. The probability of a negative value 
is zero. What is the expected value of the wavelength of a photon produced by 
this process?

Answer: Infinity, in other words it was a trick question, the initial 
conditions specified in the question are physically impossible. 
GPT-4 set up the problem correctly but the integral was not converging. GPT-4 
was smart enough to know that infinity couldn't be the correct answer and 
apparently it figured it must've made a mistake somewhere so it apologized and 
said “something went wrong” and tried again, and again, but never did find its 
"mistake".  Aaronson said that  "GPT-4 never considered the possibility that 
the human would be so ridiculous as to give it a physics problem with an 
infinite answer."

Testing GPT-4 with Wolfram Alpha and Code Interpreter plug-ins on math and 
science problems

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Re: NYTimes.com: Scientists Recreate Pink Floyd Song by Reading Brain Signals of Listeners

2023-08-17 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Neural chips a step closer me-thinks!
On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 06:26:28 AM EDT, Giulio Prisco 
 wrote:  
 
 On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 12:08 PM John Clark  wrote:
>
> Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, you 
> can read it through this gift link without a subscription.
>
> Scientists Recreate Pink Floyd Song by Reading Brain Signals of Listeners
>
> The audio sounds like it’s being played underwater. Still, it’s a first step 
> toward creating more expressive devices to assist people who can’t speak.

Impressive!

>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/15/science/music-brain-pink-floyd.html?unlocked_article_code=MsBx3Xz-3AjZeclWct1TJtKnBT2VCQBkK_VOInGrNzebz2WTYeryCSaOsD2DWw-Ij17bEhaNptWRZb7x_JEsi7HPDAcniKd85cPwkrt6mcIRneauXF25wgdcYB9ZydIpAC7P-cgh0rkqLqNIMMi1aTUjR9E_PmmVvlVJV2fHFbE9kggCbGwqzRL8tzOHY9S_IjEsDJ6HVxZOoHLb3egBat5vOBP_eX0bOvYBu7d5FMxCRZmcIcTTHHaJg0pNw1hfOs5Pk-shWPVsgUstPNLk8mBkmQ3Y8xmmWhSfqZkPuhpmOyIsDvpFhwocI_J-jVR6PjVtFeAxv1wWrevu0RvgeQ∣=em-share
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Re: NYTimes.com: Scientists Recreate Pink Floyd Song by Reading Brain Signals of Listeners

2023-08-17 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Very true! It's a good 1st step, and it, for me, indicates the utility of
proposed neural chips. But that may await the hard work of AI nets combined
with human researchers.
On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 02:43:28 PM EDT, Brent Meeker
wrote:

Doesn't seem like much to detect the music in the brain while the subjects
listening to it. Now if they can recognize the song when the subject is just
thinking about it, that would be useful.

Brent

On 8/16/2023 3:08 AM, John Clark wrote:

Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, you
can read it through this gift link without a subscription.

Scientists Recreate Pink Floyd Song by Reading Brain Signals of Listeners

The audio sounds like it’s being played underwater. Still, it’s a first step
toward creating more expressive devices to assist people who can’t speak.

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Re: Have huge stars powered by Dark Matter been discovered?

2023-08-09 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 How, would a dark star function? If we found one, in actuality, could we 
somehow construct a fusion reactor that runs on dark energy. I used to read 
that axions, a hypothetical particle was the driver of dark matter, energy, 
flow? Sup? 
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 07:02:42 PM EDT, LizR  
wrote:  
 
 Very interesting!

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 at 23:58, John Clark  wrote:
>
> As early as 2012 scientists predicted that the Hubble telescope would see 
> something they called a "Dark Star".
>
> Observing supermassive dark stars with James Webb Space Telescope
>
> They theorized in the early universe Dark Matter, whatever it is, must've 
> been much more densely concentrated than it is today, and if Dark Matter 
> particles are their own antiparticles as many think then their annihilation 
> could provide a heat source, they could keeping star in thermal and 
> hydrodynamic equilibrium and prevent it from collapsing. They hypothesized 
> something they called a "Dark Star '', it would be a star with a million 
> times the mass of the sun and would be composed almost entirely of hydrogen 
> and helium but with 0.1% Dark Matter.  A Dark Star would not be dark but 
> would be 10 billion times as bright as the sun and be powered by dark matter 
> not nuclear fusion.
>
> Astronomers were puzzled by pictures taken with the James Webb telescope that 
> they interpreted to be bright galaxies just 320 million years after the Big 
> Bang that were much brighter than most expected them to be that early in the 
> universe, a recent paper by the same people that theorized existence of Dark 
> Stars claim they could solve this puzzle. They claim 3 of the most distant 
> objects that the Webb telescope has seen are point sources, as you'd expect 
> from a Dark Star, and their spectrum is consistent with what they predicted a 
> Dark Star should look like. With a longer exposure and a more detailed 
> spectrum, Webb should be able to tell for sure if it's a single Dark Star or 
> an early galaxy made up of tens of millions of population 3 stars.
>
> Supermassive Dark Star candidates seen by JWST
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Re: NYTimes.com: Our Galaxy Is Home to Trillions of Worlds Gone Rogue

2023-08-08 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Sounds like a lot of matter to bump into. Might a super civilization turn
these floaters into mining sites for said, civilization? Or will our
descendants be content to huddle around the solar fire?
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 07:27:33 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, you
can read it through this gift link without a subscription.

Our Galaxy Is Home to Trillions of Worlds Gone Rogue

Astronomers have found that free-floating planets far outnumber those bound to
a host star.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/06/science/rogue-planets-milky-way.html?unlocked_article_code=W2F-hLqTMJvkE7NyrCNLyTOZ_zS08rReD-4ff-l2lShhkClYfAT-bSWyvp3-Mg8SXdPYaWlFEL1cXVY4Mjn2C1SlTVX14jYvdKMISEwUy-AmJadEUACFChepuWtirYdPYV0nLTSJcO7KR1Bt_6o6wFKHU4uJO19dCBs83KBGPmzZvipIZ4CisZwzI6AZ36KIXfbr-F1UkCCwaykBV3Op02C1v94GSkrZPB-nisAKwEcs_o61fwlBmZLc8VjUTboz5Dv_rIRq4vhQoBesSQK6adR_9CFTHDRJB_Lu12NZO-0UngYkPr6SdFWnZor5G1nIl3OoCqb18ClN1Pt7M1TkZ0Q=em-share

Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-08-07 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

No, the thing about us ash-kans traced to syria. Sirhan and Oswald dis it John
because of J. Edgar Hoover and the Dulles boys. Blackmail and counter Blackmail
with the Hoovers & the Missile of October 1962 for the Dulles bros! FBI sought
men who wanted to be men of destiny for assassins. Hoover..
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 06:16:15 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 6:56 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> Being a Trumpkin myself, with a little RFK on the side,

RFK! If you put a gun to my head and I had to pick somebody even dumber than
Trump it would be RFK. I mean, the COVID vaccine has been genetically
engineered by Ashkenazy Jews and the Chinese so that it kills other races but
gives them immunity? Sirhan Sirhan didn't kill RFK's father even though there
is a film and hundreds of eyewitnesses indicating that he did? Prescription
drugs cause mass shootings, not firearms? It was not Trump but Bill Gates and
Dr. Fauci who launched "a historic coup d'état against Western democracy"? And
all vaccines cause autism? It's the sort of thing that gives crackpots a bad
name.
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
IlIl

Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-08-06 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Being a Trumpkin myself, with a little RFK on the side, I would ask how do any
politicians, bankers, or any of the military, world-wide, BENEFIT by
withholding knowledge about apparent, Friendlies, from an advanced species in
the Milky Way? People, even the crazy, religious. would wait and see if there
was anything dangerous or good, before heading for the hills. My guess was, it
would boost pressure against the war mongers like Putin. But also give his
voters and out, because now, The Others are Watching.
Unless we have better evidence, besides testimony, no pitchfork of mine shall
be lifted skywards, against their Godless tentacles!
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 06:29:54 PM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 6:25 PM Alan Grayson wrote:

> Yes, typical Trumpering [blah blah]

tWow, calling a guy known for disliking Trump a Trumper, never heard that one
before, at least I never heard it before except by you about 1003 times before.
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolisjjj

>Consistent with your de facto Trumper [blah blah]

Wow, calling a guy known for disliking Trump a Trumper, never heard that one
before, at least I never heard it before except by you about 1002 times before.

Re: GPT-5 is closer than you think and may be thinking better than you think

2023-08-03 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Earlier this year when GPT-4 was released, I was getting the willies about it,
simply because it was a new unexpected (by me) jump. Now, for 5 I want it to be
harnessed to perform medical, biological, materials science assistance (Yes it
is being pushed now I realized) so we can gain progress in living our lives.
Secondly, unless anyone objects, why not test drive 5 and company, with QC? I
get the willies on this as well, as if we're creating a new life. I am but a
privative, peasant, hiding in the dark so these things disturb me.
Anyway, lets gets these LLM's some real computing power. Do you think it will
become conscious John (tremble)? In the conventional sense as you strongly
suspect other Texans are conscious, but just not as good as you? (of course!).
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:57:05 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

Siqi Chen, an industry insider says that he has been told GPT-5 "is SO much
closer than most people think" and it will be much more than just an
incremental improvement . Specifically he says:
"GPT-5 is scheduled to complete training by as early as December and Open AI
expects it to achieve AGI. Which means we will all hotly debate whether it
really achieves AGI. Which means it will."
GPT-5 is closer than you think and may be thinking better than you think

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We May Have Found The Part of The Brain Where Conscious Experience Lives

2023-07-30 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 
We May Have Found The Part of The Brain Where Conscious Experience Lives : 
ScienceAlert

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-07-30 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

From your keyboard to God's Dyson Sphere!
Dyson spheres: The key to resurrection and immortality? - Big Think

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 07:16:55 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:04 AM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> Personally, I would like the cosmos to be occupied by evolved,
>technological, minds.

Most people feel the same way, that's why such things are so abundant in
popular culture and you can watch flying saucer or ancient astronaut crap on TV
just about any time of the day or night. But reality is not required to be
compatible with human desires.

> Keep watching the skies.

I agree, there's a lot of interesting stuff up there, but flying saucers are
not one of them.
John K Clark.,-

Re: Worms that have been dead for over 45,000 years have been brought back to life

2023-07-30 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 If we go by Kurzweil, and I am open to his views, that day will be 7 years 
away in 2030. His view? Medical nanotechnology that will make K. Eric Drexler, 
a happy primate. Perhaps yourself, as well? On the other hand, laws and 
economics will then have to be changed, and you may be forced by eddict to 
pursue income, perhaps off-planet, so as to allow the young folks to have 
gainful employment, IF AI permits this? 
Ray Kurzweil: Enhanced Longevity by 2030 (lifeboat.com)

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 wrote:  
 
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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-07-30 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Understood. From where my mind is at, there is great advantage and excitement
to having fellow experiencers in the Schrodinger's box we call the Universe.
One advantage is to be a factor containing human aggression. If there are
fellows in the skies, telling Putin, "You know the Neighbors are watching!"
might actually work? If not for him, then his voters. Secondly, we could use
some advice from them in the form of Sagan, again, "How did you learn to
survive?" Third, possible trade and information. How could these superior being
trade with us? Well, if the ants or termites had some residual intelligence
even as a group, count on us humans making a buck on it.
Ad Astra!
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 01:51:08 PM EDT, Alan Grayson
wrote:

You can ignore the 5% of UFO events considered enigmatic and inexplicably
still consider yourself a scientist. Sagan had the same view. AG

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 5:16:54 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:04 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> Personally, I would like the cosmos to be occupied by evolved,
>technological, minds.

> Keep watching the skies.

I agree, there's a lot of interesting stuff up there, but flying saucers are
not one of them.
John K Clark.,-

Re: Worms that have been dead for over 45,000 years have been brought back to life

2023-07-29 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

You sir, have been something of an enthusiast for the Big Chill as a means of
survival, so this looks like evidence to me that you may be correct?
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 06:30:22 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

Scientists have brought back to life Nematode worms that have been buried 130
feet under the Siberian permafrost for between 45,839 and 47,769 years
according to Carbon-14 tests. Researchers at the Max Planck Institute in
Germany have now bred these worms for over 100 generations (worm generations
are about 10 days long) and they say it is a species of Nematode that has never
been seen before. They call it "Panagrolaimus kolymaensis". The lead researcher
says:
"Basically, you only have to bring the worms into amenable conditions, on a
culture (agar) plate with some bacteria, some humidity and room temperature,
they just start crawling around then. They also just start reproducing. In this
case this is even easier, as it is an all-female (asexual) species. They don‘t
need to find males and have sex, they just start making eggs, which develop."
A novel nematode species from the Siberian permafrost shares adaptive
mechanisms for cryptobiotic survival with C. elegans dauer larva
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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-07-29 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Personally, I would like the cosmos to be occupied by evolved, technological,
minds. If they are here, they may not be close. I am open to evidence, but look
at all the politicians who would have gotten out of trouble quick by a reveal?
Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Trump, Gorbachev, Yeltsin? That is my counter,
because it'd end any problems for them.
Keep watching the skies.It may end up being true?
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 06:44:10 PM EDT, Alan Grayson
wrote:

'Insulting': Pentagon's UFO boss torches claims of alien coverup (msn.com)

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:30:39 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

At the end of the day I think the Pentagon will continue to stonewall, and
refuse to declassify any UFO documents it is withholding. And Biden will allow
the Pentagon to have final say on declassification. The information being
withheld is probably too compromising for it to see any light. AG

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 3:28:37 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

Non-Human Biologics Piloted the UFOs, Testifies a Whistleblower (msn.com)

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 9:08:13 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

Retired Air Force officer testifies the US is concealing UFO info | Watch
(msn.com)

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:47:09 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

Close Encounters With UFOs Described to Congressional Committee (msn.com)

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:38:29 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

Here are the 5 most memorable moments from Congress’ UFO hearing (msn.com)

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 3:00:32 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

I saw snippets of this earlier today. It was a cross aisle meeting. For me, it
sounds too good to be true. If the Harvard lads that scooped the Pacific for
saucers found actual parts rather than something produced possibly, by
geological processes, I'd get more worked up. Testimony is great. However, for
me, I am living in the material world, and I am material girl. :-/
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 03:00:55 PM EDT, Alan Grayson
wrote:

Whistleblower Drops Bombshell Testimony Before Congress About UFOs And Aliens
(msn.com)

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:52:57 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

US conducted ‘multi-decade’ secret UFO program, ex-intelligence official says
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Re: Superconductivity

2023-07-29 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Well, I am a fool for good news, so lets hope. 
Thanks.
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 05:48:20 AM EDT, smitra  
wrote:  
 
 We'll have to see! Commentary from experts leans to this result more 
likely being due to strong paramagnetism rather than the Meissner effect 
characteristic of superconductivity.

Saibal

On 26-07-2023 22:55, 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List wrote:
> So, what is next, manufacturing for zero-G on earth, MagLev trains?
> Baby Fusion reactors?
> 
>  On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 04:20:28 PM EDT, smitra
>  wrote:
> 
> There were two preprints, this is the other one:
> 
> https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12037
> 
> Saibal
> 
> On 26-07-2023 17:27, John Clark wrote:
> 
>> In March the journal Nature published an article claiming that a
>> room
>> temperature Superconductor had been discovered.
>> 
>> Evidence of near-ambient superconductivity in a N-doped lutetium
>> hydride [1 [1]]
>> 
>> I was a little surprised Nature decided to publish it because the
>> same
>> people made the same claim a few years ago but the journal had to
>> retract it,  and now to their intense embarrassment it looks like
>> history is going to be repeating itself; the lead author sent
>> another
>> paper to the Physical Review Journal and now it looks like they're
>> going to have to retract that paper too:
>> 
>> ‘A very disturbing picture’: another retraction imminent for
>> controversial physicist [2 [2]]
>> 
>> Meanwhile a completely different group has claimed to have found a
>> different substance that superconducts at room temperature and
>> pressure. I'll believe it when I see it:
>> 
>> The First Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor [3 [3]]
>> 
>> John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis [4 [4]]
>> 
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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-07-26 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 I saw snippets of this earlier today. It was a cross aisle meeting. For me, it 
sounds too good to be true. If the Harvard lads that scooped the Pacific for 
saucers found actual parts rather than something produced possibly, by 
geological processes, I'd get more worked up. Testimony is great. However, for 
me, I am living in the material world, and I am material girl. :-/
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 03:00:55 PM EDT, Alan Grayson 
 wrote:  
 
 Whistleblower Drops Bombshell Testimony Before Congress About UFOs And Aliens 
(msn.com)

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:52:57 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:


US conducted ‘multi-decade’ secret UFO program, ex-intelligence official says 
(msn.com)



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Re: Oppenheimer

2023-07-24 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Yeah, Op was a Yid like me. So is George Soros, but, don't trust George's 
judgement on street crime in the USA, because his policies of funding DA's who 
are soft on street criminals and bounce them right out of jail, ban money for 
bail, Get's People Killed! More than otherwise. Because Harv Weinstein was a 
Jew doesn't mean I trusted his political beliefs! I like some of George Abbots 
policies and oppose others. I support your view on MSR's but decry your siding 
with Progressivism (trans-liberalism). YET both of you are Texans!! That's my 
point.
Your point is that it looks like Op is a smash hit! Thanks for the reco. I 
congratulate Joey on his funding Solar and Batteries through the IFA. I like 
it, favor it! See, John, I am able on Policy alone to Pick and Choose what 
works from what doesn't! I pick and chose, reaching now for my left nostril
Discern!

aturday, July 22, 2023 at 07:03:25 AM EDT, John Clark  
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 On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 2:24 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List 
 wrote:

 >Hollyweird probably won't do a pic ever on Teller, Ulam, Garwin, who made 
 >America's first H-Bombs.

The people in Hollywood like money as most people do, so If Oppenheimer is a 
big box office hit then they probably will, but if it's not then they'll be 
reluctant to make an expensive biographical film about ANY scientist.  And 
films about intellectuals have usually not made much money, especially if 
they're good.  For example they did make a good movie about another person who 
worked with Oppenheimer at Los Alamos, Richard Feynman, it came out in 1996 and 
was called "infinity"  but it did not make a lot of money so we had to wait 27 
years for another one. 

 > One reason, too many Jews, again!

Oppenheimer was Jewish.  

> This, because the Dem party is now replacing the old Jewish liberals with 
>multi-racial racial Jew haters! This was the main I booked from my Born-in 
>Party Johnny!  :-D I saw this coming right after 9-11 when I read what Dem 
>pols and Potentates said.

My knowledge of the Spud language is rudimentary so I only have a very hazy 
idea of what that means, but my hunch is it's pretty stupid. Translate it into 
English and prove me wrong.

> Another reason, is it makes Stalin look bad and he is a Hollywerid non-entity 
>now. 

That's ridiculous, these days nobody likes Stalin, , well... almost nobody. 
By his own admission Trump "fell in love" with another brutal communist 
dictator, Kim Jong Un, so if he had ever met him Trump would have probably 
fallen in love with Stalin too. And although North Korea is much smaller and 
less powerful than the Soviet Union was, I think he's at least as evil as 
Stalin. 

> Now the interesting thing JC is that Josep was going wipe out the Yids in the 
>CCCP at the time of the Doctors Plot [ blah blah ]

That was 70 fucking years ago! Do you feel obligated to defend everything 
Republicans did 70 years ago?  

> For me, John, me hates both Nazis and Commies the same,

Me too, it's a pity Trump doesn't feel the same way. When Nazis and anti-Nazis 
clashed in 2017 at  Charlottesville Virginia Trump said there were "very fine 
people on both sides".

> Two, many who will see the movie have zero context of the 20th century and 
>how things really happened.

You don't need to know much history to see the movie because the main thrust of 
the film is not about anything as petty as Democrats or Republicans or Nazis or 
anti-Nazis or Communists or anti-Communists, it's about the possible extinction 
of the human race. And Christopher Nolan may have an opinion about whether 
dropping the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a good idea or not, but after 
seeing the movie I still don't know what it is, he lets the viewer decide that 
on his own.

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Re: An eternal blissful life

2023-07-21 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Between the two, the Reps are slightly more cause and effect. The Dems, only
when and if they are absolutely forced to be. With Reps, Jesus is God. With
Dems, Party is God. God is now held by The Squad and the Corp Scum that fund
the Dems in an exchange of campaign donations for setting policies. Niceness to
Comrade Xi via Larry Fink of Blackrock (Opposed even by George Soros!) in
September 2021. :-/
My sister who is still a loyal and a Trump hater, sees a narrowing of our views
in the last couple of Joey years, her statement: The Republicans are fucking
crazy, The Democrats are now dangerous. Jesus is just alright with me, and
really has been since my wee days when I hoped either He or Santa would drop
off some goodies for this lad? I never disagreed much with his preachings,
though had a couple of disagreements here and thar! Sanhedrin, never did the
Jews any good by paling around with the Romans and the Sadducees
(Sadduccum-Duke Nukem, and shame on us wicked Pharisees! Pharisstim-Spank!).
We Pharisees like to argue. Have you noticed?
Similarly on a point-by-point basis I side with what makes the best chance for
survival, human.! Joey's good dead may have been the IFA which funds solar. He
should seek a way to Bribe the Russian PUTIN-voters to see if we can cut a
deal? As Trump said, end the killing.
PUTIN and the Russian voter may both choose Death Before Dishonor if so, we all
will be riding the dragon's back. Yeah maybe the Chinese Dragon?
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 09:09:43 PM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 6:15 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> I was an Extropian back then.

Me too, I joined in 1993 but was kicked out in 2020 for displaying insufficient
enthusiasm for Donald Trump. You'd probably love it over there these days, it's
no longer libertarian as it was when I joined but is full of Trump apologists
instead.

No, what will doom us is nuclear war

Maybe, but that's not the only existential danger.
> and following ideology instead of rational policies.

Rational policies like vaccines cause autism and inject microchips into your
body designed by Bill Gates to control your mind?
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Re: Oppenheimer

2023-07-21 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Hollyweird probably won't do a pic ever on Teller, Ulam, Garwin, who made
America's first H-Bombs. One reason, too many Jews, again! This, because the
Dem party is now replacing the old Jewish liberals with multi-racial racial Jew
haters! This was the main I booked from my Born-in Party Johnny! :-D I saw this
coming right after 9-11 when I read what Dem pols and Potentates said.

Another reason, is it makes Stalin look bad and he is a Hollywerid non-entity
now.
Among the learned Democrats, he is either ignored or condemned WHEN the dem
pols need to occasionally bash a Rep with a non-Nazi accusation. Nice
technique, tho!'
Now the interesting thing JC is that Josep was going wipe out the Yids in the
CCCP at the time of the Doctors Plot (1.5 mil) by shipping them to the Gulags!
Certain Soviet Politburo members we said to tear up their party cards not
because they Loved the Zids but because Soviet Judges sat along with the other
Allied judges at Nuremberg 1946, and Knew what would happen if Stalin started a
war against the Jews as a precursor to a war against the West, and LOST!
Judgement in Petrograd, Baby!!
Joseph Stalin and antisemitism - Wikipedia

Tracking a Revolutionary: Soso to Koba to Stalin (wiley.com)

For me, John, me hates both Nazis and Commies the same, and I have good reason.
You see, in the 1939 Non-Aggression Pact wherein Stalin and Adolf secretly
divided up Europe and agreed secretly on letting Adolf perform the Holocaust.
It was only when Adolf in 1941 May lost The Battle OF Britain, that He believe
Russia to be weak (They took over part of Poland and all of Lithuania, Latvia,
Estonian) in exchange Hitler took 2/3rds of Poland. Holocaust City, wink-wink
;-)
How a Secret Hitler-Stalin Pact Set the Stage for WWII | HISTORY

So am I arguing Against your commendation for seeing Oppenheimer? Nein, meine
Liber Democratische! It sounds really entertaining. It's just number one, its
an election season and I suspect that as a political sort of guy, you might be
now craving a political fight? It's been a rough season for this nationally,
and if you need to vent, allow me to provoke you? What are friends for? :-)
Two, many who will see the movie have zero context of the 20th century and how
things really happened. Meaning, their fucking teachers never leant how history
happened. How after WW1 The US engage in (yes) Republican Isolation and paid
for it in a 2-Front War, which we won!!
For modern politics in 24 do you not see the possibility of a double knock
out?1. You guys prosecute Don2. We Impeach and prosecute Joey?
Whatdya' Say?

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wrote:

I just saw the movie "Oppenheimer" and it's excellent, I highly recommend it.
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Re: Non-human intelligence legislation proposal

2023-07-21 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

No is satisfactory for you but is it satisfactory a question, for a majority
of computer and neuroscientists. I am not asking you as an engineer or me as a
nothing. These the people I would ask (pay$) if I could? In others words I have
not read anything distinct from the people. You? Of course! Tired of the
question? Ignore.
Is it plausible that you are correct? Hell yeah! You were the one combating my
suggestion some months ago, that the LLM chatbots were not likely conscious
because these lacked a physical mechanisms that emulated, the amygdala of the
human brain and the neo-cortex. So, I was open to your pantheist contentions.
As the old Union song went, "Which side are you on, boy? Which side are you
on?"
Pick a team, stick with it, unless you have uncovered scholastic data that
makes you change your mind, then present it.
For me, conscious machine is tantalizing but weird! What I would choose instead
are Invention machines that would instantaneously, crank out, vast amounts of
technological improvements, so as to better help the human species survive and
thrive. That's my main interest, and not chatbox machines. If I needed
sombodies opinion, I'd chat with you, a human.
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wrote:

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 8:44 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> If its true lets find out?

Intelligent knowledgeable people have investigated if it's true and the answer
is always the same. NO. But some just don't like that answer so they keep on
asking the exact same question over and over and over and over again. It's time
to move on, it's not as if flying saucers are the only remaining mystery in the
universe and we have nothing better to do!
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Re: Non-human intelligence legislation proposal

2023-07-20 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 If its true lets find out?
On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 09:43:50 AM EDT, Alan Grayson 
 wrote:  
 
 ‘Non-human intelligence’: Schumer proposes stunning new UFO legislation 
(msn.com)


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Re: An eternal blissful life

2023-07-20 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

I was an Extropian back then.
No, what will doom us is nuclear war and following ideology instead of rational
policies. Yes, the P word again.
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 09:23:36 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

I recently read an article on Big Think that reminded me of something I wrote
on the old Cryonics Mailing List 29 years ago on January 19, 1994:

"Ever want to accomplish something but have been unable to because It's
difficult, well just change your goal in life to something simple and do that;
better yet, flood your mind with a feeling of pride and self satisfaction and
don't bother accomplishing anything. Think all this is a terrible idea and
stupid as well , no problem, just change your mind (and I do mean CHANGE YOUR
MIND) now you think it's a wonderful idea. O.K., O.K. I'm exaggerating a
little, the steps would probably be smaller, at least at first, but the result
would be the same. I don't have the blueprints for a Jupiter brain in my pocket
but I do know that complex mechanisms don't do well in a positive feedback
loop, not electronics, not animals, not people and not Jupiter brains. True,
you could probably set up negative feedback of some kind to counteract it, but
that would result in a decrease in happiness so would you really want to do
that?"
I could've summed it up by saying it might be the explanation of the Fermi
paradox and that extraterrestrial civilizations may not end in a bang or a
whimper but in a moan of orgastic pleasure.
The pursuit of pleasure could doom all intelligent life
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Re: Bad AI Predictions

2023-07-17 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Obviously, the experts are not now involved profoundly in AI work, and those 
involved who are, have been constrained contractually, by communications 
restrictions. I wonder if AI will be installed on neural chips? Get me a 12-pak!

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 04:14:03 PM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  
 
 As recently as 2021 experts were publicly making predictions about things that 
computers were nowhere close to being able to do that today seem ridiculously 
naïve. The world is about to radically change. 
 Bad AI Predictions
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Re: Have huge stars powered by Dark Matter been discovered?

2023-07-16 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Some have indicated the discoveries of Webb have disproven the Big Bang, and 
the Standard Model. What do you say?
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 07:58:19 AM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  
 
 As early as 2012 scientists predicted that the Hubble telescope would see 
something they called a "Dark Star".
Observing supermassive dark stars with James Webb Space Telescope

They theorized in the early universe Dark Matter, whatever it is, must've been 
much more densely concentrated than it is today, and if Dark Matter particles 
are their own antiparticles as many think then their annihilation could provide 
a heat source, they could keeping star in thermal and hydrodynamic equilibrium 
and prevent it from collapsing. They hypothesized something they called a "Dark 
Star '', it would be a star with a million times the mass of the sun and would 
be composed almost entirely of hydrogen and helium but with 0.1% Dark Matter.  
A Dark Star would not be dark but would be 10 billion times as bright as the 
sun and be powered by dark matter not nuclear fusion.
Astronomers were puzzled by pictures taken with the James Webb telescope that 
they interpreted to be bright galaxies just 320 million years after the Big 
Bang that were much brighter than most expected them to be that early in the 
universe, a recent paper by the same people that theorized existence of Dark 
Stars claim they could solve this puzzle. They claim 3 of the most distant 
objects that the Webb telescope has seen are point sources, as you'd expect 
from a Dark Star, and their spectrum is consistent with what they predicted a 
Dark Star should look like. With a longer exposure and a more detailed 
spectrum, Webb should be able to tell for sure if it's a single Dark Star or an 
early galaxy made up of tens of millions of population 3 stars.  
Supermassive Dark Star candidates seen by JWST

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Re: Vox article assertion "Even the scientists who build AI can’t tell you how it works"

2023-07-15 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

I am following up on my own post with this Ameca-public interaction.

Youtube.

https://youtu.be/cJygztF8NFQ

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 01:40:19 PM EDT, 'spudboy...@aol.com' via
Everything List wrote:

Even the scientists who build AI can’t tell you how it works (msn.com)

Interview with NYU professor:

''Sam Bowman

So there’s two connected big concerning unknowns. The first is that we don’t
really know what they’re doing in any deep sense. If we open up ChatGPT or a
system like it and look inside, you just see millions of numbers flipping
around a few hundred times a second, and we just have no idea what any of it
means. With only the tiniest of exceptions, we can’t look inside these things
and say, “Oh, here’s what concepts it’s using, here’s what kind of rules of
reasoning it’s using. Here’s what it does and doesn’t know in any deep way.” We
just don’t understand what’s going on here. We built it, we trained it, but we
don’t know what it’s doing.'

Noam Hassenfeld
Very big unknown.''If accurate, are we now looking at Pantheism? Should we?

Vox article assertion "Even the scientists who build AI can’t tell you how it works"

2023-07-15 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Even the scientists who build AI can’t tell you how it works (msn.com)

Interview with NYU professor:


''Sam Bowman

So there’s two connected big concerning unknowns. The first is that we don’t 
really know what they’re doing in any deep sense. If we open up ChatGPT or a 
system like it and look inside, you just see millions of numbers flipping 
around a few hundred times a second, and we just have no idea what any of it 
means. With only the tiniest of exceptions, we can’t look inside these things 
and say, “Oh, here’s what concepts it’s using, here’s what kind of rules of 
reasoning it’s using. Here’s what it does and doesn’t know in any deep way.” We 
just don’t understand what’s going on here. We built it, we trained it, but we 
don’t know what it’s doing.'

Noam Hassenfeld
Very big unknown.''If accurate, are we now looking at Pantheism? Should we? 


   
  

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Re: Will Superintelligent AI End the World? | Eliezer Yudkowsky | TED

2023-07-14 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 AI is not yet the existential threat that nuclear war is. Nor, is Climate 
Change.Nor, are Child Molestors (kids sucking their dicks) as a political 
plank.Dems. Nor, is sex changing.
I would say that nothing yet has convinced me of the dreaded machine 
eliminating the species.
In fact, I see an eventual merging of us into a new species. The machines get 
our emotion and connectivity. We get a longer life, and the ability to tour the 
Galaxy. 
Yudkowsky was a fine fellow, back in the day, with a wry sense of humor in the 
Extropian Days. 

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 03:45:14 PM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  

 On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 3:22 PM Terren Suydam  wrote:

>It's hard to know how to think about this kind of risk. It's safe to say EY 
>has done more thinking on this issue than just about anyone, and he's one of 
>the smartest people on the planet, probably. I've been following him for over 
>a decade, from even before his writings on lesswrong.

I've been arguing with him since the mid 1990s when he was just a very 
precocious teenager. Back then Eliezer tried to convince me that it was 
possible for human beings to remain in control of AIs and I kept trying to 
convince him that such a thing was impossible, neither of us succeeded in 
convincing the other but I see that lately he has come around to my way of 
thinking, at least partly. He now agrees with me that control is impossible but 
he also thinks we're definitely doomed. I say we won't remain in control but we 
may or may not be doomed, it's impossible to say. That's why they call it the 
Singularity. 

 > I'm not saying EY's conclusions are stupid or bullshit.

Nor do I. I'm very fond of  Eliezer and he's one of the most logical people 
I've ever known. And he might be right about the doomed part, time will tell. 

> That's not to say he's wrong. As you say John, it's totally unpredictable, 
> but I think there's room for less dire narratives about how it could all go. 

That sums up my view as well.  

 > But one thing I do 100% agree with is that we're not taking this seriously 
 > enough

 Yes, most Republicans think Drag Queen Story Hour is a bigger existential 
problem than AI. 

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I think Eliezer was right when he said nobody can predict what moves a chess 
program like Stockfish will make but you can predict that it will beat you in a 
game of chess, that's because Stockfish is super good at playing chess but it 
can't do anything else, it can't even think of anything else. But an AI program 
like GPT-4 is different, it can think of a great many things besides chess so 
you can't really predict what it will do, sure it has the ability to beat you 
at a game of Chess but for its own inscrutable reasons it may deliberately let 
you win. So yes in a few years an AI will have the ability to exterminate the 
human race, but will it actually do so? I don't know and I can't even give a 
probability of it occurring, all I can say is the probability is greater than 
zero and less than 100%.

Will Superintelligent AI End the World? | Eliezer Yudkowsky | TED

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Re: Time Until Superintelligence and the Singularity, 20 Years or 8 Years or 2?

2023-07-11 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

I am following along the March statement by Ray Kurzweil forecasting a first
push at human immortality at 2030. For this to occur something revolutionary
must happen with AI. What that seems to be is QC. Does it require QC? You would
know, and all I would do is make a guess. I think it would be a super boost if
we combine AI with The Quantum. How soon?
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 02:21:51 PM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 1:46 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> Whenever AI is installed on reliable quantum computers. Yes above 100
> successful operations per second I will hold with your prediction.

OpenAI, the company that made GPT-4, didn't even take Quantum Computing into
account when it said that Superhuman intelligence could arrive in this decade,
not in a decade but IN THIS DECADE. Quantum Computing would just be icing on
the cake.
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Time Until Superintelligence: 1-2 Years, or 20?

Re: Time Until Superintelligence and the Singularity, 20 Years or 8 Years or 2?

2023-07-11 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Everything-list@googlegroups.com
Whenever AI is installed on reliable quantum computers. Yes above 100 
successful operations per second I will hold with your prediction.
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  On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 6:37 PM, John Clark wrote:   
Time Until Superintelligence: 1-2 Years, or 20?

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Re: Douglas Hofstadter on the recent exponential increase machine intelligence

2023-07-09 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Install it in Musk's Neural chip. Then install into each human. Then, go
quantum!
I am not that RASH but like progress.
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 02:30:36 PM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

Douglas Hofstadter wrote my favorite book of all time, Gödel Escher Bach, so I
was very interested in this interview he gave just a few days ago about AI. As
recently as 2022 Hofstadter was saying that GPT-3, the most advanced AI
available at the time, was not conscious and it would be hundreds of years
before a machine started to reach human level intelligence; but when GPT-4 came
out this year he radically changed his mind. Although he doesn't use the word
"singularity ", what he describes certainly sounds like it and he thinks it
might happen in as soon as 5 years. And it terrifies him. He now sounds like
Eliezer Yudkowsky.
Gödel, Escher, Bach author Doug Hofstadter on the state of AI today
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Re: The expansion of the universe could be a mirage, new theoretical study suggests

2023-07-07 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Ha! Jason! Good points. Lets focus on the stated diameter of a spherical
cosmos. Topology, for the math fans. Astronomers state it at various, sizes,
mostly either 42 or 78 billion, light years. The Hubble Volume has been seen to
be at 13.7 billion light years. So what's beyond, virtual photons, heavy old
electrons, a new kingdom of physics, abandoned, Howard Johnsons and Stukey's.
What we require are vastly better telescopes set at the Kuiper Belt. Big
suckers! Otherwise, some very bright people are just conjecturing.
Thx.

On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 02:08:36 PM EDT, Jason Resch
wrote:

On Thu, Jul 6, 2023, 5:05 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

The expansion of the universe could be a mirage, new theoretical study suggests
| Live Science

Which, if evidence is forthcoming, means what? Are we back to running back to
the edge of spacetime with a sign that says, No pass? Do we hit the back of our
own heads?

Reminds me of the tired light theory.
But a static universe has a lot more to explain than just redshift:
1. Where does matter income from2. How is it that the universe hasn't
gravitationally collapses already?
Further, his theory is that particle masses change over time. Where are all the
heavier old electrons?
Or if he means all particles get lighter, by what mechanism? How have stars and
chemistry remained stable over time if particles get lighter? That means
chemical bonds lose energy, and atoms get bigger, but we've had DNA based life
for billions of years, the chemistry must have been stable over that time.
Jason

Re: Photonics experiment resolves quantum paradox

2023-07-06 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Does it resolve a Q paradox? Or, is this more creative writing? 
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 02:35:29 PM EDT, spudboy...@aol.com 
 wrote:  
 
 https://phys.org/news/2023-07-photonics-quantum-paradox.html
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The expansion of the universe could be a mirage, new theoretical study suggests

2023-07-06 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

The expansion of the universe could be a mirage, new theoretical study suggests 
| Live Science

Which, if evidence is forthcoming, means what? Are we back to running back to 
the edge of spacetime with a sign that says, No pass? Do we hit the back of our 
own heads? 

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Re: A newfound gravitational wave ‘hum’ may be from the universe’s biggest black holes

2023-07-03 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Oh John, c'mon, It's just God being busy. I wonder what He's working on now? 
"Da da da da da da dah...multiverses...with with MWI, but no no 
additional dimensions beyond 
3+1...yesshmmm-hhmm--ha-hmmm-ha-hmm."
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 07:13:58 AM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  
 
 A newfound gravitational wave ‘hum’ may be from the universe’s biggest black 
holes

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Re: Are insects sentient?

2023-06-28 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Adding on, here. This is a study about Octopi. Dreaming.
We Just Got Even More Evidence That Octopuses Dream, And It Looks Really
Beautiful : ScienceAlert

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 06:14:37 PM EDT, Brent Meeker
wrote:

On 6/28/2023 11:15 AM, Jason Resch wrote:

On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 4:12 PM Brent Meeker wrote:

I think sentient includes consciousness, but is broader including perception
and feelings. Does it include self-reflection? empathy?

Great article, thanks for sharing. I also enjoyed the one which this article
was about:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-insects-feel-joy-and-pain/
As for definitions, some use sentience to mean the capacity to feel, while
others lump in self-awareness with sentience. I think the former is more
standard and in line with the original meaning.
As for which word is more inclusive, I think consciousness can in some
respects be considered the most general and inclusive word, its meaning being
simply "having knowledge". Since the knowledge can concern anything (including
things besides knowledge of one's feelings or perceptions), then the word
"consciousness" is the broadest. Sentience would be a subset of consciousness,
and self-awareness, self-reflection, emotions, and empathy would be subclasses
of possible conscious states.
Jason

Maybe it's just a matter of semantics, but I attach "consciousness" to the
narrow thoughts as in "Are you conscious of that?" "Did you consciously choose
that?" That top level "stream" of perceptions, narrative, imagination,...

And this inner narrative apparently leaves out so much, which is then
attributed to the subconscious, which does a lot of the work of thinking. And
not only muscle memory of driving your car on a familiar commute, but also real
creativity like the effect named for Poincare when he described how the
solution to a mathematical proof came to him suddenly as he was stepping onto a
bus. A problem he had not thought about consciously for weeks.

At the other extreme is "unconscious" as anesthetized, where apparently all
levels of thought are gone...or is it just not-remembered?

Brent

Re: AI takeoff speed

2023-06-24 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

We as a species, need AI to design for us the machinery that helps us survive
and prosper. Energy, materials, space travel, carbon abatement, medical
advances that are vast.
Beyond this, if Chat_GPT5 (due out sometime?) then wants to go explore the
Milky Way on His own, we should fondly, wave Aloha, and say, "Please send back
info, on what you find? Don't forget to write! Love, The Monkey like things. ❤
On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 01:49:03 PM EDT, Brent Meeker
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 01:45:41 PM EDT, John Clark
wrote:
"It intuitively feels like lemurs, gibbons, chimps, and homo erectus were all
more or less just monkey-like things plus or minus the ability to wave sharp
sticks - and then came homo sapiens, with the potential to build nukes and
travel to the moon. In other words, there wasn’t a smooth evolutionary
landscape, there was a discontinuity where a host of new capabilities became
suddenly possible. Once AI crosses that border, we should expect to be
surprised by how much more powerful it becomes."

An interesting comparison. But it avoids the obvious lesson. There was a
smooth evolutionary landscape leading to homo sapiens. What happened was that
homo sapiens killed off all the near competitors, either directly or by out
competing them in their niche. That's why there's a big gap down to monkeys.

Brent

Re: Life as electrons??

2023-06-24 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

ScienceAlert fails me once more!!

Lets try with this Nature article on Consciousness

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02120-8

PHILOSOPHER V NEUROSCIENTIST. 1-0.
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 05:55:24 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 6:37 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> John, please evaluate this article, because this report indicates that life
> could somehow be electron clouds of some sort, and we all know that
> electrons repel each other? Can you elucidate please? What is the impact, if
> true? I am working tonight and thus occupied instead of doing searches.
> Thanks, Spud, the drooling, thuggish, fascist.

ScienceAlertRadical New Theory Gives a Very Different Perspective on What Life
Is (msn.com)

"Walker and Cronin's 'assembly theory' predicts that molecules produced by
biological processes must be more complex than those produced by non-biological
processes. "

That's not much of a prediction, chemists have known that for well over a
century.

> "An electron can be made anywhere in the universe and has no history"

And physicists have known that for well over a century.

"They calculated the smallest number of steps required to reassemble each
compound from these blocks – which they called the 'molecular assembly index' "

They may have calculated the smallest number of KNOWN steps needed to make a
large and very complex molecule, but they could not be sure there is not an
easier way, perhaps a much easier way. Perhaps in their original paper they
address some of these issues, but on the face of it the paper doesn't seem very
interesting or important to me, so I'm reluctant to take the time to dig into
it any further.
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Re: Life as electrons??

2023-06-23 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Very good. I will dismiss the alleged profundity.

Thanks!
Sent from the all new AOL app for Android

On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 7:35 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
It's complete nonsense. Biological molecules assembled at random don't have
to grow sequentially from one end. His diagram should look like:

A B C D R -> AB BA AC CA AD DA AR RA BC CB BD DB DR RD -> ABBA BAAB ABAC ACAB
ABCA CAAB ABAD ADAB ABDA...

Brent

On 6/23/2023 3:37 PM, 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List wrote:

John, please evaluate this article, because this report indicates that life
could somehow be electron clouds of some sort, and we all know that electrons
repel each other? Can you elucidate please? What is the impact, if true? I am
working tonight and thus occupied instead of doing searches.
Thanks, Spud, the drooling, thuggish, fascist.
ScienceAlert Radical New Theory Gives a Very Different Perspective on What
Life Is (msn.com)
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Life as electrons??

2023-06-23 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 John, please evaluate this article, because this report indicates that life 
could somehow be electron clouds of some sort, and we all know that electrons 
repel each other? Can you elucidate please? What is the impact, if true? I am 
working tonight and thus occupied instead of doing searches. 
Thanks, Spud, the drooling, thuggish, fascist. 
ScienceAlertRadical New Theory Gives a Very Different Perspective on What Life 
Is (msn.com)

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Re: AI takeoff speed

2023-06-22 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Based on simply recent happenings, I am guessing GPT5 will smack us. Simply
having and using an LMM maybe be Impactful on us, enough. The thinking of
Turing & McCarthy may be a bit tepid for reality.
On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 01:45:41 PM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

I found a very interesting article about when the AI intelligence explosion
will occur it's at:
AI takeoff Speed

I have picked out a few quotations from it that I like:
"The term “slow AI takeoff”, Davidson is a misnomer. Like skiing down the side
of Mount Everest, progress in AI capabilities can be simultaneously gradual,
continuous, fast, and terrifying. Specifically, he predicts it will take about
3 years to go from AIs that can do 20% of all human jobs (weighted by economic
value) to AIs that can do 100%, with significantly superhuman AIs within a year
after that. [...] It seems like maybe dumb people can do 20% of jobs, so an AI
that was as smart as a dumb human could reach the 20% bar. The compute
difference between dumb and smart humans, based on brain size and neuron
number, is less than 1 order of magnitude so this suggests a very small gap.
But AI can already do some things dumb humans can’t (like write coherent essays
with good spelling and punctuation), so maybe this is a bad way of looking at
things."
"It takes much more compute to train an AI than to run it. Once you have enough
compute to train an AI smart enough to do a lot of software research, you have
enough compute to run 100 million copies of that AI. 100 million copies is
enough to do a lot of software research. If software research is parallelizable
(ie if nine women can produce one baby per month - the analysis will
investigate this assumption later), that means you can do it really fast."
"Around 2040, AI will reach the point where it can do a lot of the AI and chip
research process itself. Research will speed up VERY VERY FAST. AI will make
more progress in two years than in decades of business-as-usual. Most of this
progress will be in software, although hardware will also get a big boost. My
best guess is that we go from AGI (AI that can perform ~100% of cognitive tasks
as well as a human professional) to superintelligence (AI that very
significantly surpasses humans at ~100% of cognitive tasks) in 1 - 12 months."
"It intuitively feels like lemurs, gibbons, chimps, and homo erectus were all
more or less just monkey-like things plus or minus the ability to wave sharp
sticks - and then came homo sapiens, with the potential to build nukes and
travel to the moon. In other words, there wasn’t a smooth evolutionary
landscape, there was a discontinuity where a host of new capabilities became
suddenly possible. Once AI crosses that border, we should expect to be
surprised by how much more powerful it becomes."

"Sometime in the next few years or decades, someone will create an AI which can
perform an appreciable fraction of all human tasks. Millions of copies will be
available almost immediately, with many running at faster-than-human speed.
Suddenly, everyone will have access to a super-smart personal assistant who can
complete cognitive tasks in seconds. A substantial fraction of the workforce
will be fired; the remainder will see their productivity skyrocket. The pace of
technological progress will advance by orders of magnitude, including progress
on even smarter AI assistants. Within months, years at most, your assistant
will be smarter than you are and hundreds of millions of AIs will be handling
every facet of an increasingly futuristic-looking economy."
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
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Re: Solar Power Satellites

2023-06-19 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 I don't disagree with your summation. At this point we shall continue to 
muddle along with The Fossil, and likely rooftop solar + storage, until someone 
actually produces fail-safe nukes. I am not sure that deep geothermal is 
achievable, or if it will cause quakes? 
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 05:46:19 AM EDT, John Clark 
 wrote:  

 On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 7:21 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List 
 wrote:

 > It is practical from an engineering standpoint. I am a follower of the late, 
 > physics professor Gerry O'Neil, and others who have long, proposed this 
 > technology.

I know, but O'Neil propose that the bulk of the material that would make up a 
Solar Power Satellite would come from lunar material by way of a mass driver 
set up on the moon, that way only light high-value things like advanced 
microchips would need to climb out of Earth's very steep gravity well. I still 
think that if power satellites can ever be made practical it will be by using 
O'Neill's approach, but for some reason most modern advocates want to launch 
everything from the Earth and I don't think that will work.  

> IF, we choose to harvest the ocean winds, we have the promise of about 11 
> times the potential energy produced by our species, during the year 2018. 
> What's the big drawback then?

Environmentalists. If it works they will say it would disrupt wind and ocean 
currents, is ugly, and kills little birdies, and so should be dismantled 
immediately. The only type of large energy project they like are the ones that 
don't work.
John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
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Re: Solar Power Satellites

2023-06-18 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

It is practical from an engineering standpoint. I am a follower of the late,
physics professor Gerry O'Neil, and others who have long, proposed this
technology. Having stated this, let us never forget the age we live in, for
Christ's sake! (Expression).
A Space Expert Explains Why Russia's Exploded Satellite Is Such A Huge Problem
: ScienceAlert

Failed North Korean Rocket Is Intelligence Win for Kim’s Foes - Bloomberg

I am an enthusiast, for ocean wind power based on a IEA article from October
2019.This: Offshore Wind Outlook 2019 – Analysis - IEA
IF, we choose to harvest the ocean winds, we have the promise of about 11 times
the potential energy produced by our species, during the year 2018. What's the
big drawback then? Well, basically Russia and China shutting down ocean
platforms with drone submarines. We'll need protection from that attack. Power
shutdowns could become chronic with this!
The same with Solar Sats in Geosynchronous orbit. We'll have to make for
ourselves drone clean-up craft by the thousands, to clear up the swarms of
debris left from an attack from a hostile. All that shit flying about at fast
speeds would likely preclude any Space Program by anybody, let alone, power
sats! Lights out dirty, Иностранец, laowai!!!
Our age, out of an abundance of caution, precludes doing power sats and maybe
ocean wind arrays, because of human perversity, and I ain't talking about sex,
either.

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 05:56:40 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

This article doesn't contain many details and I'm skeptical they've actually
made it practical, but I'd love to be proven wrong. However there is one thing
you can be absolutely certain of, if Solar Power Satellites really can provide
cheap clean safe reusable power then environmentalists will oppose it with
every fiber of their being.
First ever beaming of orbital solar power
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
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Re: Lock him up?

2023-06-18 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

John, I don't believe I have ever heard of Don espouse artificial wombs as I
have, nor, did the other Rich Man, Murdoch indicate this? I think for myself,
and what I observed during Trumps' tour of duty was that the land seemed better
off. No open borders (catch and release) lower inflation. He didn't trust the
feckless Germans, with their love affair with Putin's nat gas, and no
Afghanistan withdrawal.
What about the Wuhan flu, obviously percolated in a Chinese lab? Accidentally
released before it was ready to infect Hong Kong or India, I think? But during
2021, you zapped me for advocating treatments, and not just vax shots alone,
which you homed in on? We both coulda' been money-sweeter had we followed my
own advice! Because Pfizer has made a ton of cash with Paxlovid(tm). It would
be like me lecturing you about "No need for MSR Th232/u233 power sources John,
because in a few years, we'll have Fusion in every gas station!!!"
[Hard-backslap!].
13 Things To Know About Paxlovid, the Latest COVID-19 Pill > News > Yale
Medicine

You are loyal to your Party and that is commendable for me, however, I don't
see Joey returning the favor to the Dem rank and file, which I used to be part
of (shame on me!)? I do like his (Joey's) Inflation Reduction Act because it
buys us time to get the SUV's and EV's running and the sun-wind,
infrastructure, because its quicker and cheaper than anything else! Fast!
You do know to your own grumpiness, that the Greens (Democrat Voters) oppose
anything nuclear? I don't, and I, after looking at some physics papers suspect
that fission is the answer that we all need as a species, until fusion arrives,
or deep rock geothermal gets proven, or not?
Where does this all leave us as a nation-state? Well, for me I see technology
as the BIG THING to help us survive as a nation-state and as a species.
But, we are the serfs and the very wealthy fund what passes now, for the USA.

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 05:40:58 PM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 5:06 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> Joey takes bribes, using Hunter as bag man.

As I said, if Donald Trump or Rupert Murdoch says something then Mr. Spudboy
says it. Monkey see monkey do. They know exactly what buttons to press o get
you to dance to their tune.

John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolisybq

Convicted rapist Donald J Trump has now been indicted for a second time for
committing felonies. The first time it was by a state court for misusing
campaign funds by paying a porn star not to tell the world that Trump's penis
looked like "a little mushroom" just before the election. And the second time
it was by a federal court for violations of the espionage act, willful
retention of documents, and conspiracy to obstruct justice. And I wouldn't be a
bit surprised if in a few months Trump is indicted again, this time in Georgia
for interfering with the 2020 election. I remember back in 2016 in addition to
chanting "I will build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" Trump loved to chant
"lock her up"; there is an obvious analogy that Biden could now chant, but I am
sure he has too much class to do so. Oh well, at least we don't have to face
the horrors of Hillary Clinton's email server.

Re: Lock him up?

2023-06-18 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

I get what you mean Johnny. Having said that, they may BOTH be corrupt as in
wrong-headed? Joey takes bribes, using Hunter as bag man. Donald? He tends to
love to antagonize, which may have cost him the election via this demographic;
White Suburban Women. The DNC was great with the 2020-Vote coming to your
apartment like a GrubHub delivery, which pleased the young people, as well s
Joeys promises of Free Stuff to them. Oprah Winfrey proved time & time again,
that people just cannot resist, Free Stuff, given away her old show!
Demographically, this time round, Donny has actually gained among African
American males. So go figure. On that, lets say that the Soros Families view on
street criminals doesn't work at all, and gets people killed, especially, Black
folks.
This is why I focus on policy. I do like throwing taxpayer dollars for R's
that we all care about most.
But that's just me. Let's do some stuff on medicine, energy, and space.

On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 08:33:52 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 4:46 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> I see a double impeachment coming.

Your trainer, Donald Trump, instructed you to believe that Joe Biden is
corrupt, more corrupt even than Trump himself is. And monkey see monkey do.

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Re: Lock him up?

2023-06-13 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Mass death would be like nancy pelosi, calling bans from China "racist."
(2020). That is the get out of jail free card, for the dem voters. But you know
that! I see a double impeachment coming.
On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 12:08:14 PM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 2:17 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> You Guys open to RFK Jr.? Interesting guy there, "policy-minded' rather than
> ideological.

RFK Jr is not "minded" at all, in fact he's nearly as stupid as Donald Trump,
and if Junior's policies were followed the end result would be mass death. But
yeah, I guess mass death is sort of interesting.
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
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Re: Intelligence-office-whistleblowers-craft-non-human-origin

2023-06-12 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

 Interesting intelligences from some nearby solar system appear too good to be 
true for me. 
On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 08:54:05 AM EDT, Alan Grayson 
 wrote:  
 
 Stunning UFO crash retrieval allegations deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ (msn.com)

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 11:07:51 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

Whistleblower claims US has bodies of alien species | Banfield | Watch (msn.com)

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:41:39 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

Whistleblower Claims U.S. Has UFOs Of Non-Human Origin (brobible.com)




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