Re: [expert] Making routine job easier
and don't ferget tab-completion while yer at it... Tab completion is the best ever. Including Esc ! to complete args. type cd /u[tab]lo[tab]ga[tab] and see where it gets you. /usr/local/games $ ll total 0 :) -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Join the content organization discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewIndex Join the General Wiki Development discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/DevelopingTheMandrakeCommunity#Discussion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Friday 05 Sep 2003 11:22 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 05 Sep 2003 11:09 pm, Steve Browne wrote: On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:40:50 +0100, you wrote: I was installing 9.1 on David's box while he was out. It has booted to the point of the blue wave, then it can't get the display up. I tried going to init 3, then running XFdrake as root, the menu comes up, but I can't find any way to change any part of the configuration. I have to set it to a generic lcd screen. I have to get this fixed before he gets home, or I'll be divorced g What do I do now? Anne If you are installing 9.1 with an LCD monitor, the appropriate driver for the video card may not be present. For instance, I have an Nvidia video card and a Viewsonic LCD; I had to download Nvidia's driver before I could get KDE to load onscreen. Hi, Steve. No, it's not the video card. That's an old SiS card that was working under 9.0. Of course, it may be that 9.1 can't handle that card. If that's so, I'll have to work out how to vi lilo.conf to get back to the old 9.0 install Anne Does it work with Knoppix? Maybe you could boot up with Knoppix and copy the resutling XF86Config-4 file to your new install. I have to go out this morning, but I'll try that when I get back, thanks. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Friday 05 Sep 2003 9:50 pm, Joerg Mertin wrote: Hi Anne, you mean - you have to run XFdrake in text mode ? or does it start in graphic mode ? It was in text mode, which I expected. I have done it that way before, but this time I couldn't edit anything at all. Anyway - make sure there is no /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. Just remove the old one - so the system will use the safe defaults - should do it. /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 doesn't exist at all. I edited /etc/X11/XF86Config to the lines that mine uses for the lcd monitor. The display card settings seem to know what it is, and I dropped the default from 24-bit to 16-bit, but it still didn't work. The display still gets to the blue wave, then dropps to shimmering white, retries a couple of times, then drops to text mode. I have edited lilo.conf so that it starts up from the old 9.0, which at least lets me in for now, but it brings up a lot of errors at boot up, which I'll have to sort out later. If I mount /dev/hdc7 as /mnt/temp can I reasonably copy the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 from the 9.0 setup into the /mnt/temp setup? It will have to be this afternoon, as I have to go out this morning. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making routine job easier
*** Eric Huff Sat, 6 Sep 2003 00:19:35 -0700 : and don't ferget tab-completion while yer at it... Tab completion is the best ever. Including Esc ! to complete args. type cd /u[tab]lo[tab]ga[tab] and see where it gets you. /usr/local/games $ ll total 0 No. Right after the second [tab] you'll have to decide Where you wanna go today? wobo -- ... and anyway, html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- GnuPG Public Key on http://www.wolf-b.de/misc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 00:31, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 05 Sep 2003 9:50 pm, Joerg Mertin wrote: Hi Anne, you mean - you have to run XFdrake in text mode ? or does it start in graphic mode ? It was in text mode, which I expected. I have done it that way before, but this time I couldn't edit anything at all. Anyway - make sure there is no /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. Just remove the old one - so the system will use the safe defaults - should do it. /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 doesn't exist at all. I edited /etc/X11/XF86Config to the lines that mine uses for the lcd monitor. The display card settings seem to know what it is, and I dropped the default from 24-bit to 16-bit, but it still didn't work. The display still gets to the blue wave, then dropps to shimmering white, retries a couple of times, then drops to text mode. correct me if I'm wrong but isn't XF86Config for 3.3.6 and XF86Config-4 for 4.3.0? I have edited lilo.conf so that it starts up from the old 9.0, which at least lets me in for now, but it brings up a lot of errors at boot up, which I'll have to sort out later. If you run startx from runlevel 3 ... what does it give you as the reason for not starting? If I mount /dev/hdc7 as /mnt/temp can I reasonably copy the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 from the 9.0 setup into the /mnt/temp setup? It will have to be this afternoon, as I have to go out this morning. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2rc1 installer is alpha screws current system...
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:52:34 -0400 Pierre Fortin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:58:06 +1200 Michael Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you are dual booting 9.1 and 9.2. and your boot into 9.2 is reasonably ok. There are steps that need to be made by you when dual booting linux. Both vmlinuz.2.4.21-XX.mdk and initrd.2.4.21-XX.mdk.img have to be copied from 9.1 /boot to 9.2 /boot. Then you replace the 'vmlinuz' in the 9.1 stanzas with the full name of the vmlinuz for 9.1(given above). Run /sbin/lilo to make this stick. Then you should be able to boot to 9.1 ok. Do the same for 9.1, copying the 9.2 files into 9.1 /boot. It is up to you if you run /sbin/lilo at this stage. Which OS do you want as default? Hopefully your other issues may be solved by this also. Boy... you seem to completely misunderstand how lilo works, and how to use *separate* /boot directories on different partitions... Well i have two 9.0 partition sets with a common home directory. One 9.1 with a separate home, a common swap of course. I have used this method since civileme explained it more than a year ago... and my system works!!! I'd show my 'df' but i dont mount them in this boot and i have /dev/hda18 so nya-nya-nya! snip -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making routine job easier
type cd /u[tab]lo[tab]ga[tab] and see where it gets you. /usr/local/games $ ll total 0 No. Right after the second [tab] you'll have to decide Where you wanna go today? Not for me. What else do yo have that starts with ga? -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Join the content organization discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewIndex Join the General Wiki Development discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/DevelopingTheMandrakeCommunity#Discussion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RC1; mount points are _what?_ (bit wordy, sorry)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:58:08 -0600, Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about [expert] RC1; mount points are _what?_ (bit wordy, sorry): Another weird thing; lmsensors have decided to suddenly accumulate CPU temperature readings and set off that ear shattering alarm at odd times. The CPU temperature reading shown when I had to save this message to the drafts folder and shut down was 260.7 degrees Fahrenheit instead of the actual 107. With every new kernel you may have to run the sensors-detect script to determine which modules are in the kernel and which need to be loaded. In fact, with some kernels, I personally was unable to get any temperature readings via lm_sensors. Check the documentation for lm_sensors. HTH Regards, =Dick Gevers= -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Encryption is an envelope - the contents are private. iD8DBQE/WajbwC/zk+cxEdMRAkW7AJ9s2gionOvCHvQhm8PwtzXqAddnmACg2wHo 0m5ZUMINfXXb8iZqvOMw0YI= =e6eX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Don't tell me we have another major annoyance on our hands!
On Friday 05 September 2003 08:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Might be as elusive as the chalice of Yendor (sp?) *grin* James Er...isn't that amulet of Yendor? (or is that why the chalice is so elusive!!!) grin -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Building Mozilla Firebird - Error in compiling
Hi, On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:24:24 +0100, Gérald Verdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about [expert] Building Mozilla Firebird - Error in compiling: rpm -qa | grep libIDL give me: libIDL2_0-0.8.2-2mdk libIDL2_0-devel-0.8.2-2mdk It looks to me that you only have libIDL2_0*, but you don`t have libIDL. I found a Cooker version on Mandrakeclub: libIDL-0.8.2-2mdk.src.html and there also seems to have been an libIDL-0.8.0 in Mandrake 7.2, 8.0, 8.1 and 8.2, but I doubt if that would work under a current Mandrake version. and rpm -qa | grep ORBit : libORBit2_0-2.6.0-1mdk libORBit2_0-devel-2.6.0-1mdk ORBit2-2.6.0-1mdk ORBit-0.5.17-6mdk libORBit0-0.5.17-2mdk I also found a package in the same place: libORBit0-devel-0.5.17-6mdk which turned up when searching for orbit-config, but I don`t know if that will do the trick. HTH Regards, =Dick Gevers= Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making routine job easier
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 00:19:35 -0700 Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: /usr/local/games $ ll total 0 :) no games?! bah! -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. -- Herodotus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making routine job easier
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:36:25 +0200 Wolfgang Bornath [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: No. Right after the second [tab] you'll have to decide Where you wanna go today? you must have a dir I do not... just out of curiosity...what other dirs are there for you that start with /usr/lo? -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -- Philip K. Dick Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] KDE 3.1.3 for 9.1 : go or no-go ?
Would it be ok now to migrate to KDE 3.1.3 for MDK 9.1 or is it still unstable ? In case of yes, which is the most stable source : TexStar or the Mdk Club ? Thanks a lot. Best regards /stefano
Re: [expert] Configuring apcupsd
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 1:08 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Wel,, the new Smart-UPS700 is in and working, except for two problems - 1) It complained about line 61 in the config file. I take it that it was expecting to find a log file to which it could append, but didn't find it. The line is LOCKFILE /var/lock from building init scripts you have to be more specific. For example the xfs init does /var/lock/subsys/xfs OK - I've sorted that bit. So maybe you want something like /var/lock/subsys/ups or whatever is the name of the program you are locking. You then (in init scripts) have to touch this file. Can you explain this last sentence a bit more, please? Now in this case maybe you need to look into the directory (/var/lock/subsys) and see what the actual lockfile is being created is called when the program starts. The file in question appears to be /var/lock/subsys/apcupsd Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Saturday 06 September 2003 03:25 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 05 Sep 2003 11:22 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 05 Sep 2003 11:09 pm, Steve Browne wrote: On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:40:50 +0100, you wrote: I was installing 9.1 on David's box while he was out. It has booted to the point of the blue wave, then it can't get the display up. I tried going to init 3, then running XFdrake as root, the menu comes up, but I can't find any way to change any part of the configuration. I have to set it to a generic lcd screen. I have to get this fixed before he gets home, or I'll be divorced g What do I do now? Anne If you are installing 9.1 with an LCD monitor, the appropriate driver for the video card may not be present. For instance, I have an Nvidia video card and a Viewsonic LCD; I had to download Nvidia's driver before I could get KDE to load onscreen. Hi, Steve. No, it's not the video card. That's an old SiS card that was working under 9.0. Of course, it may be that 9.1 can't handle that card. If that's so, I'll have to work out how to vi lilo.conf to get back to the old 9.0 install Anne Does it work with Knoppix? Maybe you could boot up with Knoppix and copy the resutling XF86Config-4 file to your new install. I have to go out this morning, but I'll try that when I get back, thanks. Anne, if this is an older card, it might not support the render extension, in which case you have been bitten by the libqt bug in the version of qt that shipped with 9.1. This was subsequently fixed with an update, so if you have not added any updates yet, try updating libqt first. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] keeping 9.2 rc1 current
On Friday 05 September 2003 08:15 pm, Greg Sarsons wrote: I'm drawing a complete blank at figuring out how to update the rc1 installation with all the fixes that have taken place. What is the command that I should use. The Cooker HOWTO has this info. http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo#Keeping_Your_Cooker_Installation -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Speaking of Wiki's and HOWTO's
Hi folks. This is just a general information post about our wiki situation. There seems to be a lot of discussion on this list about the Community Wiki. It seems the membership of this list has really taken to the concept. I also see a lot of questions on this list about how to deal with Cooker, and I am not sure that everyone realizes that there is a Cooker wiki too, complete with Cooker HOWTO. So I just wanted to point that out to the list since beta testing is in full swing. The main page is here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MandrakeLinux The HOWTO is here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 12:45 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: If you are installing 9.1 with an LCD monitor, the appropriate driver for the video card may not be present. For instance, I have an Nvidia video card and a Viewsonic LCD; I had to download Nvidia's driver before I could get KDE to load onscreen. Hi, Steve. No, it's not the video card. That's an old SiS card that was working under 9.0. Of course, it may be that 9.1 can't handle that card. If that's so, I'll have to work out how to vi lilo.conf to get back to the old 9.0 install Anne Does it work with Knoppix? Maybe you could boot up with Knoppix and copy the resutling XF86Config-4 file to your new install. I have to go out this morning, but I'll try that when I get back, thanks. Anne, if this is an older card, it might not support the render extension, in which case you have been bitten by the libqt bug in the version of qt that shipped with 9.1. This was subsequently fixed with an update, so if you have not added any updates yet, try updating libqt first. Dreadful consequence - I had to boot it into windows so that he could play solitair over lunch g However, at that point I realised that the problem actually is with the card - or at least with its driver. I don't know where it got it from, but it has set up the driver for an early SiS card, which is what used to be in their. It's actually got a Matrox Mystique card in now. There must be a way to get it to look again at this. Does harddrake run from the cli, and will it allow me to set the graphics card? I should be able to get to the machine again in around 1/2 hour g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Speaking of Wiki's and HOWTO's
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 12:51 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: Hi folks. This is just a general information post about our wiki situation. There seems to be a lot of discussion on this list about the Community Wiki. It seems the membership of this list has really taken to the concept. I also see a lot of questions on this list about how to deal with Cooker, and I am not sure that everyone realizes that there is a Cooker wiki too, complete with Cooker HOWTO. So I just wanted to point that out to the list since beta testing is in full swing. The main page is here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MandrakeLinux The HOWTO is here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo I don't suppose you could do a short intro piece, making Cooker sound slightly less terrifying, to act as a link to those pages, could you? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Speaking of Wiki's and HOWTO's
From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 12:51 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: Hi folks. This is just a general information post about our wiki situation. There seems to be a lot of discussion on this list about the Community Wiki. It seems the membership of this list has really taken to the concept. I also see a lot of questions on this list about how to deal with Cooker, and I am not sure that everyone realizes that there is a Cooker wiki too, complete with Cooker HOWTO. So I just wanted to point that out to the list since beta testing is in full swing. The main page is here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MandrakeLinux The HOWTO is here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo I don't suppose you could do a short intro piece, making Cooker sound slightly less terrifying, to act as a link to those pages, could you? Well the CookerHowTo does tell you exacty what it is, so the fact at it makes some people terrified is _intentional_ So if you intend to run Cooker, you have to be prepared to do some bugtesting/fixing too, and have the rescue cd handy for rebooting the system when it's totally messed up But if you still are up for the challenge just go for it ;-) It's fun when it works, but it may be a PITA to get a broken system fully functional again... especially when you hit a bug that's hard to reproduce... Thomas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Speaking of Wiki's and HOWTO's
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 1:39 pm, Thomas Backlund wrote: From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 12:51 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: Hi folks. This is just a general information post about our wiki situation. There seems to be a lot of discussion on this list about the Community Wiki. It seems the membership of this list has really taken to the concept. I also see a lot of questions on this list about how to deal with Cooker, and I am not sure that everyone realizes that there is a Cooker wiki too, complete with Cooker HOWTO. So I just wanted to point that out to the list since beta testing is in full swing. The main page is here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MandrakeLinux The HOWTO is here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo I don't suppose you could do a short intro piece, making Cooker sound slightly less terrifying, to act as a link to those pages, could you? Well the CookerHowTo does tell you exacty what it is, so the fact at it makes some people terrified is _intentional_ So if you intend to run Cooker, you have to be prepared to do some bugtesting/fixing too, and have the rescue cd handy for rebooting the system when it's totally messed up I understand that. I was thinking along the lines of suggesting that it should be on a secondary system if you don't have the expertise and time to cope with such problems. But if you still are up for the challenge just go for it ;-) I wouldn't want to put people off, but I'm frequently shocked to find newbies installing cooker packages without any understanding of what they are taking on. It's fun when it works, but it may be a PITA to get a broken system fully functional again... especially when you hit a bug that's hard to reproduce... 'Intermittant faults' are always b*s to get sorted g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Speaking of Wiki's and HOWTO's
On Saturday 06 September 2003 08:16 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 12:51 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: Hi folks. This is just a general information post about our wiki situation. There seems to be a lot of discussion on this list about the Community Wiki. It seems the membership of this list has really taken to the concept. I also see a lot of questions on this list about how to deal with Cooker, and I am not sure that everyone realizes that there is a Cooker wiki too, complete with Cooker HOWTO. So I just wanted to point that out to the list since beta testing is in full swing. The main page is here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MandrakeLinux The HOWTO is here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo I don't suppose you could do a short intro piece, making Cooker sound slightly less terrifying, to act as a link to those pages, could you? Do you mean an intro in the Community Wiki with a link to the Cooker HOWTO? -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Change HD speed depending on HD temperature and system load
At 02.03 06/09/2003, you wrote:
to extract temperature:
i don't know about hddtemp output, so i use var=/dev/hda:
IC350L40AVER07-0: 42°C for this example -
$ set -- $var; echo ${!#//[^0-9]/}
to extract the 3rd field from /proc/loadavg
$ set -- $(/proc/loadavg); echo $3
Thanks, this is another way to have those values.
Yesterday I tried to run a kernel compilation to check how much the load
could increase and I noted that (as expected) the second time I compiled
the kernel [for ((i=0;i10;i++)); do make bzImage; done] the loadavg kept
increasing but nothing was read from disk.
I wonder whether there is a way to check real disk activity and not
simply system load.
Moreover, could someone confirm my guess about loadavg values? (1 minute, 5
minutes and 15 minutes).
A simple link to a page explainig those three values is enough (man top
doesn't explain anything).
[why my mails sometimes reach the list, sometimes reach the list even if I
get an error abot undeliverable mail after one day or two and sometimes
simply don't reach the list and I get an error after days, when sending
again the mail is almost useless? is this a feature? :-)))]
Thanks
Olaf
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Re: [expert] Speaking of Wiki's and HOWTO's
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 2:02 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 06 September 2003 08:16 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 12:51 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: Hi folks. This is just a general information post about our wiki situation. There seems to be a lot of discussion on this list about the Community Wiki. It seems the membership of this list has really taken to the concept. I also see a lot of questions on this list about how to deal with Cooker, and I am not sure that everyone realizes that there is a Cooker wiki too, complete with Cooker HOWTO. So I just wanted to point that out to the list since beta testing is in full swing. The main page is here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MandrakeLinux The HOWTO is here: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo I don't suppose you could do a short intro piece, making Cooker sound slightly less terrifying, to act as a link to those pages, could you? Do you mean an intro in the Community Wiki with a link to the Cooker HOWTO? That's what I was thinking Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2rc1 installer is alpha screws current system...
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 03:43, Michael Adams wrote: snip I'd show my 'df' but i dont mount them in this boot and i have /dev/hda18 so nya-nya-nya! snip nya-nya-nya to you too g -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RC1; mount points are _what?_ (bit wordy, sorry)
From: Dick Gevers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:58:08 -0600, Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about [expert] RC1; mount points are _what?_ (bit wordy, sorry): Another weird thing; lmsensors have decided to suddenly accumulate CPU temperature readings and set off that ear shattering alarm at odd times. The CPU temperature reading shown when I had to save this message to the drafts folder and shut down was 260.7 degrees Fahrenheit instead of the actual 107. With every new kernel you may have to run the sensors-detect script to determine which modules are in the kernel and which need to be loaded. In fact, with some kernels, I personally was unable to get any temperature readings via lm_sensors. Check the documentation for lm_sensors. Well, not with every kernel..., but since lm_sensors switched to 2.8.0 beginning with kernel-2.4.22.0.1mdk, old setups / configs might not work Between 2.7.0 (in MDK 9.1) and current 2.8.0 the i2c interface was rewritten, and some modules renamed, and so on..., so you need to run the sensors-detect script to rebuild your setup After that... it should work ... Thomas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
Hi Anne, in that case - I would make sure the system is using XFree-4.3.0 - as the MAtrox drivers in there are pretty good. Just make ssure XFree86-4.3 is installed, not the 3.3.6 ! REmove that one. Once the othre one is in - run XFDrake - and you should be done. Cheers Joerg Anne Wilson wrote: Dreadful consequence - I had to boot it into windows so that he could play solitair over lunch g However, at that point I realised that the problem actually is with the card - or at least with its driver. I don't know where it got it from, but it has set up the driver for an early SiS card, which is what used to be in their. It's actually got a Matrox Mystique card in now. There must be a way to get it to look again at this. Does harddrake run from the cli, and will it allow me to set the graphics card? I should be able to get to the machine again in around 1/2 hour g Anne -- | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Alt1)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alt2)| | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 8:42 am, James Sparenberg wrote: If you run startx from runlevel 3 ... what does it give you as the reason for not starting? There are no error messages. KDE is obviously trying to start up. I hear the .wav file, and bits of the display flash on screen then off again. Then the watch cursor stays on screen for a long time, and finally starts alternating between the watch and the arrow. I don't know how to get out of this apart from powering down. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making routine job easier
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 01:06, Eric Huff wrote: type cd /u[tab]lo[tab]ga[tab] and see where it gets you. /usr/local/games $ ll total 0 No. Right after the second [tab] you'll have to decide Where you wanna go today? Not for me. What else do yo have that starts with ga? lo. He (and I) have /usr mounted on its own partition, so there's a /usr/lost+found. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Speaking of Wiki's and HOWTO's
I wouldn't want to put people off, but I'm frequently shocked to find newbies installing cooker packages without any understanding of what they are taking on. I'll bet a lot of newbies just think that's what Linux is, not realizing we actually have stable releases to choose from. 'Intermittant faults' are always b*s to get sorted g There's those abbreviated *'s again. It does give me more choices of cuss words, though, making the prose flow much more smoothly... -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Join the content organization discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewIndex Join the General Wiki Development discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/DevelopingTheMandrakeCommunity#Discussion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making routine job easier
/usr/local/games $ ll total 0 :) no games?! bah! In all these years of computers and people around me playing games, NetTrek, etc, i just haven't gotten into any games since i stopped using my dad's Sinclair. :) (a lot of my friends think i'm strange, too...) -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Join the content organization discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewIndex Join the General Wiki Development discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/DevelopingTheMandrakeCommunity#Discussion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 4:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 8:42 am, James Sparenberg wrote: If you run startx from runlevel 3 ... what does it give you as the reason for not starting? There are no error messages. KDE is obviously trying to start up. I hear the .wav file, and bits of the display flash on screen then off again. Then the watch cursor stays on screen for a long time, and finally starts alternating between the watch and the arrow. I don't know how to get out of this apart from powering down. OK - I remembered the ctrl-alt-backspace and shutdown from there. Failsafe shows exactly the same symptoms as the main install. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
There must be a way to get it to look again at this. Does harddrake run from the cli, and will it allow me to set the graphics card? I should be able to get to the machine again in around 1/2 hour g XFdrake lets you choose video cards, and will run in the cli and in text mode, if necessary. Be careful, though: if you have a couple video cards like i do, the card it shows as default when you enter the config section is not necessarily the one you are using. -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Join the content organization discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewIndex Join the General Wiki Development discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/DevelopingTheMandrakeCommunity#Discussion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making routine job easier
lo. He (and I) have /usr mounted on its own partition, so there's a /usr/lost+found. Hmmm... I have /usr on its own part, too. Does lost+found only get created when you lose something? I don;t think i have ever had a dirty boot on this machine, so i may not have ever had any lost+found material... -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Join the content organization discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewIndex Join the General Wiki Development discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/DevelopingTheMandrakeCommunity#Discussion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RC1; mount points are _what?_ (bit wordy, sorry)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 6, 2003 03:29 am, Dick Gevers wrote: Hi, On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:58:08 -0600, Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about [expert] RC1; mount points are _what?_ (bit wordy, sorry): Another weird thing; lmsensors have decided to suddenly accumulate CPU temperature readings and set off that ear shattering alarm at odd times. The CPU temperature reading shown when I had to save this message to the drafts folder and shut down was 260.7 degrees Fahrenheit instead of the actual 107. With every new kernel you may have to run the sensors-detect script to determine which modules are in the kernel and which need to be loaded. In fact, with some kernels, I personally was unable to get any temperature readings via lm_sensors. Check the documentation for lm_sensors. HTH Regards, =Dick Gevers= It would definitely help me under normal circumstances Dick, thanks. This isn't normal though. I did a fresh install which means the only way to have sensors is to run the detection routine. I'm getting kernel bus collisions that are causing the misreads so I'll have to Reader's Digest the logs and make a bug report. Thanks for responding. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-5mdk 09:31:36 up 14 min, 1 user, load average: 0.20, 0.40, 0.30 God may be subtle, but he isn't plain mean. -- Albert Einstein -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Wf6DG11CaRuZZSIRArvwAKCFHnXjyansYZbmM0BWAzK522p72gCfQQme nb4G1Qd8rxU7foWm0Snfz90= =zPve -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 3:39 pm, Eric Huff wrote: There must be a way to get it to look again at this. Does harddrake run from the cli, and will it allow me to set the graphics card? I should be able to get to the machine again in around 1/2 hour g XFdrake lets you choose video cards, and will run in the cli and in text mode, if necessary. Be careful, though: if you have a couple video cards like i do, the card it shows as default when you enter the config section is not necessarily the one you are using. OK - I'm in failsafe, logged in as root. I have XFdrake showing a menu in text mode on screen. I can move around the menu, but I can't change anything. What am I missing? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RC1; mount points are _what?_ (bit wordy, sorry)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 6, 2003 08:13 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: chop From: Well, not with every kernel..., but since lm_sensors switched to 2.8.0 beginning with kernel-2.4.22.0.1mdk, old setups / configs might not work Between 2.7.0 (in MDK 9.1) and current 2.8.0 the i2c interface was rewritten, and some modules renamed, and so on..., so you need to run the sensors-detect script to rebuild your setup After that... it should work ... Thomas As I stated above Thomas the sensors detection was run yesterday after all of the updates available from cooker as of 2:20 PM MDT. I'll take the logs apart and see what I can find other than the general SMBus collision messages I saw from the kernel and make a bug report about it. Thanks Thomas. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-5mdk 09:34:49 up 17 min, 1 user, load average: 0.45, 0.38, 0.30 You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/WgEwG11CaRuZZSIRAviaAJ9nUlGjhZ6BLu5pD1P9++OduwBBrQCgqbU1 lNuuyzBdgwdgaFxicEUCPCE= =kxho -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Configuring apcupsd
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 12:07:34PM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: The file in question appears to be /var/lock/subsys/apcupsd On My system there is also a file named /var/lock/LCK..ttyS0 If You're using a com port other than com1 you need to change the DEVICE setting to match the com port actually used . If you're connected to com1 and there is anything else configured to use com1 that may prevent apcupsd from locking the port for it's exclusive use. Ray Warren Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
OK - I'm in failsafe, logged in as root. I have XFdrake showing a menu in text mode on screen. I can move around the menu, but I can't change anything. What am I missing? Here is how it works for me: up down arrow moves in the menu tab moves between menu and quit and do enter pushes a quit or do button -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Join the content organization discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewIndex Join the General Wiki Development discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/DevelopingTheMandrakeCommunity#Discussion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 5:12 pm, Eric Huff wrote: OK - I'm in failsafe, logged in as root. I have XFdrake showing a menu in text mode on screen. I can move around the menu, but I can't change anything. What am I missing? Here is how it works for me: up down arrow moves in the menu Yes tab moves between menu and quit and do yes enter pushes a quit or do button yes But how do you tell it that it's wrong and needs to try again? It has the display card entry wrong. I need to either get harddrake to run again, or find the config file that holds the info. I know that there is a file somewhere that can be deleted so that it makes a new one, although if it still finds the old info from somewhere in the 9.0 install it won't help. Anne Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Poll: Successful Boot Disk Creation
fdutils, includes among other utilities, superformat. But it's only for formatting DOS file system floppy's. Won't work for an What would be the difference between a 10 sector per track DOS file system floppy and an ext2 fs floppy? I don't mean from a file system standpoint, I know the differences, but from a hardware standpoint, what is it about ext2 that makes it harder to use higher-capacity format disks? Or does superformat simply make a DOS image? You still could make a bigger disk with 'fdformat' and go that route, right? It's been some time since I really used floppies much, so I'm just not understanding this point. I trink 1.6 meg would work but the media could not be all that reliable. I do recall the problems when I first started using Linux - I used to tell people that they had better use known good and reliable disks for the boot/root combos as those were native linux and back then if you had floppies with bad sectors, you were essentially out of luck. Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Poll: Successful Boot Disk Creation
I have done this with a winblows program and still have some disks like this, up to 1.72mb which was very handy at times. I don't know how to achieve this Use a special device for that format you want. I'd suggest first trying # fdformat /dev/fd0h1660 see what happens. Back in the old days and I think that's still true, you'd use the special form of /dev/fd0 (for instance /dev/fd0h1440) when formatting only. As I recall, uppercase H was for 5.25 and lowercase 'h' for 3.5. I don't know offhand what the 'u' is. Maybe 'unformatted' but that doesn't make sense. David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RC1; mount points are _what?_ (bit wordy, sorry)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Charlie, On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 09:34:27 -0600, Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: [expert] RC1; mount points are _what?_ (bit wordy, sorry): I'm getting kernel bus collisions that are causing the misreads I`ve seen that when I loaded too many modules. Try commenting out one in modules.conf or wherever you load them from and restart the service. The result could be that you avoid the collisions. The too high temperatures could be due to an offset factor having changed (doubt it, though). One of my readings is also too hot to survive, so I always ignore it. That`s with kernel 2.4.21-0.25. With earlier kernels I never had that reading. Perhaps in your case a regular one got swapped with a `too hot` one. I am not sure of the answer, but, as I said, there are several things you can try before considering it a bug. Regards, =Dick Gevers= -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Encryption is an envelope - the contents are private. iD8DBQE/WhD0wC/zk+cxEdMRAnkMAKCQbtNIllyFvb+YLWMjMmtin/MMLgCdEDAw IRYlcLXbbFwgtJj6sX5p6nk= =vWec -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Speaking of Wiki's and HOWTO's
From: Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 6, 2003 06:39 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: Well the CookerHowTo does tell you exacty what it is, so the fact at it makes some people terrified is _intentional_ So if you intend to run Cooker, you have to be prepared to do some bugtesting/fixing too, and have the rescue cd handy for rebooting the system when it's totally messed up But if you still are up for the challenge just go for it ;-) It's fun when it works, but it may be a PITA to get a broken system fully functional again... especially when you hit a bug that's hard to reproduce... Rescue CDs? Why? I have two strange stanzas in lilo. One says: hdimg the other: netimg Who needs disks? g Try to boot with those when lilo goes L 99 99 99 99 99 ... ;-) Thomas You're absolutely correct though, it's a lot of fun even when weird stuff happens. Also a great opportunity for learning and acquiring experience. No argue there ;-) Thomas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Poll: Successful Boot Disk Creation
David E. Fox wrote: I have done this with a winblows program and still have some disks like this, up to 1.72mb which was very handy at times. I don't know how to achieve this Use a special device for that format you want. I'd suggest first trying # fdformat /dev/fd0h1660 see what happens. Back in the old days and I think that's still true, you'd use the special form of /dev/fd0 (for instance /dev/fd0h1440) when formatting only. As I recall, uppercase H was for 5.25 and lowercase 'h' for 3.5. I don't know offhand what the 'u' is. Maybe 'unformatted' but that doesn't make sense. David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- And have a look at: mtools, fdutils all provided on the ML disks. ftp://www.tux.org/pub/knaff/fdutils/Fdutils.html Larry -- Abit VP-6 Dual Pentium III 1GHz Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdksmp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RC1; mount points are _what?_ (bit wordy, sorry)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 6, 2003 10:53 am, Dick Gevers wrote: Hi Charlie, On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 09:34:27 -0600, Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: [expert] RC1; mount points are _what?_ (bit wordy, sorry): I'm getting kernel bus collisions that are causing the misreads I`ve seen that when I loaded too many modules. Try commenting out one in modules.conf or wherever you load them from and restart the service. The result could be that you avoid the collisions. The too high temperatures could be due to an offset factor having changed (doubt it, though). One of my readings is also too hot to survive, so I always ignore it. That`s with kernel 2.4.21-0.25. With earlier kernels I never had that reading. Perhaps in your case a regular one got swapped with a `too hot` one. I am not sure of the answer, but, as I said, there are several things you can try before considering it a bug. Regards, =Dick Gevers= Howdy Dick; You're right, and that's why I'm dissecting the logs to try to find where the SMBus collision is occurring. Once I figure that out I'll know which line in the file to comment out so I can have gkellm on the desktop again. I still have to figure out why I have no swap partition mounted though. I think my next attempt on that score will be to do a network upgrade type install and see what else I can break. g Thanks; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-5mdk 11:58:51 up 2:41, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.24, 0.30 We're running out of adjectives to describe our situation. We had crisis, then we went into chaos, and now what do we call this? said Nicaraguan economist Francisco Mayorga, who holds a doctorate from Yale. -- The Washington Post, February, 1988 The New Yorker's comment: At Harvard they'd call it a noun. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/WiFHG11CaRuZZSIRAjWfAJ9/nJjgfYvlym4B97fxhhzR0NWKsgCfaNXj U5z3vxvF0f3PkbBAc921kZo= =RghN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 5:12 pm, Eric Huff wrote: OK - I'm in failsafe, logged in as root. I have XFdrake showing a menu in text mode on screen. I can move around the menu, but I can't change anything. What am I missing? Here is how it works for me: up down arrow moves in the menu tab moves between menu and quit and do enter pushes a quit or do button Hi, Eric. Well, I'm not sure whether it was the curry, the wine or hitting the keyboard harder, but I finally got it to accept my input. It's up and running, and downloading all the security updates now. Thanks to you, Joerg, James and everyone else who has tried to help me. It's been a struggle, but it's worth it. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Speaking of Wiki's and HOWTO's
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 6, 2003 10:55 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: From: Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 6, 2003 06:39 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: Well the CookerHowTo does tell you exacty what it is, so the fact at it makes some people terrified is _intentional_ So if you intend to run Cooker, you have to be prepared to do some bugtesting/fixing too, and have the rescue cd handy for rebooting the system when it's totally messed up But if you still are up for the challenge just go for it ;-) It's fun when it works, but it may be a PITA to get a broken system fully functional again... especially when you hit a bug that's hard to reproduce... Rescue CDs? Why? I have two strange stanzas in lilo. One says: hdimg the other: netimg Who needs disks? g Try to boot with those when lilo goes L 99 99 99 99 99 ... ;-) It's been months since lilo has stuck it's fingers in it's ears and done the lalalalalalalala *I CAN'T HEAR YOU!* thing. g Grub bit me square on the buttocks day before yesterday though. So I wiped the /boot partition and started over. There were maybe too many initrds/cruft in there, since it hadn't been wiped on that drive (hda now) since 9.0 beta2I've also saved a spiffy Bamboo installed replacement hda (60 GB Maxtor) drive to swap with it if I hit any major woopsies. I also make certain that I update /boot every time I see a new version of the hd and net img files, plus burn whatever ISOs I have for the latest version to CD-RWs. Can you say braces _and_ belt? ;-) Nobody ever accused me of being smart, but I'm damned good at breaking things, and finding ways of fixing my own screw ups. You're absolutely correct though, it's a lot of fun even when weird stuff happens. Also a great opportunity for learning and acquiring experience. No argue there ;-) Thomas Thanks again Thomas. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-5mdk 12:06:41 up 2:49, 1 user, load average: 0.21, 0.24, 0.26 New crypt. See /usr/news/crypt. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/WiSaG11CaRuZZSIRAvAYAJ9koaMQ+fF8EvkqAK2eb8gY8UT2TwCeIIa5 j4yqCryHrrhxytB7xB+7xs0= =19Iw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Poll: Successful Boot Disk Creation
On Saturday September 6 2003 11:39 am, David E. Fox wrote: fdutils, includes among other utilities, superformat. But it's only for formatting DOS file system floppy's. Won't work for an What would be the difference between a 10 sector per track DOS file system floppy and an ext2 fs floppy? I don't mean from a file system standpoint, I know the differences, but from a hardware standpoint, what is it about ext2 that makes it harder to use higher-capacity format disks? I dunno Or does superformat simply make a DOS image? You still could make a bigger disk with 'fdformat' and go that route, right? It's been some time since I really used floppies much, so I'm just not understanding this point. I trink 1.6 meg would work but the media could not be all that reliable. I do recall the problems when I first started using Linux - I used to tell people that they had better use known good and reliable disks for the boot/root combos as those were native linux and back then if you had floppies with bad sectors, you were essentially out of luck. from the superformat man page, superformat is used to format disks with a capacity of up to 1992K HD or 3984K ED. See section Extended formats, for a detailed description of these formats. See section Media description, for a detailed description of the syntax for the media description. If no media description is given, superformat formats a disk in the highest available density for that drive, using standard parameters (i.e. no extra capacity formats). When the disk is formatted, superformat automatically invokes mformat in order to put an MS-DOS filesystem on it. You may ignore this filesystem, if you don't need it. Superformat allows to format 2m formats. Be aware, however, that these 2m formats were specifically designed to hold an MS-DOS filesystem, and that they take advantage of the fact that the MS-DOS filesystem uses redundant sectors on the first track (the FAT, which is represented twice). The second copy of the FAT is not represented on the disk. High capacity formats are sensitive to the exact rotation speed of the drive and the resulting difference in raw capacity. That's why superformat performs a measurement of the disks raw capacity before proceeding with the formatting. This measurement is rather time consuming, and can be avoided by storing the relative deviation of the drive capacity into the drive definition file file. See section Drive descriptions, for more details on this file. The line to be inserted into the drive definition file is printed by superformat after performing its measurement. However, this line depends on the drive and the controller. Do not copy it to other computers. Remove it before installing another drive or upgrade your floppy controller. Swap the drive numbers if you swap the drives in your computer. ... The man page is different than the last time I fooled with fdutils. I don't even have a working floppy drive now. Mine died an I haven't bothered to replace it. When I did use superformat some time ago, it would only make oversize DOS floppy's by varying amounts of sectors (21 IIRC) an tracks. I was never able to over format an ext2 floppy with any utility. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] root-tail
Hey, I was reading and got inspired by this 'root-tail' program. Any suggestions on how to pipe the output of 'top' to this? Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [ok] Re: [expert] Building Mozilla Firebird - Error in compiling
Le Samedi 06 Septembre 2003 10:50, Dick Gevers a écrit : Hi, On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:24:24 +0100, Gérald Verdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about [expert] Building Mozilla Firebird - Error in compiling: rpm -qa | grep libIDL give me: libIDL2_0-0.8.2-2mdk libIDL2_0-devel-0.8.2-2mdk It looks to me that you only have libIDL2_0*, but you don`t have libIDL. I found a Cooker version on Mandrakeclub: libIDL-0.8.2-2mdk.src.html Thank's, but it was actually a simple call to enable gtk2, i.e.: --enable-default-toolkit=gtk2 And it ran perfectly. Thank you again, Gérald Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root-tail
Hey, I was reading and got inspired by this 'root-tail' program. Any suggestions on how to pipe the output of 'top' to this? Sure, use top with the '-b' option for batch mode. You can then monitor with any program that uses stdin. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Configuring apcupsd
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 5:05 pm, Ray Warren wrote: On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 12:07:34PM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: The file in question appears to be /var/lock/subsys/apcupsd On My system there is also a file named /var/lock/LCK..ttyS0 If You're using a com port other than com1 you need to change the DEVICE setting to match the com port actually used . If you're connected to com1 and there is anything else configured to use com1 that may prevent apcupsd from locking the port for it's exclusive use. Ray Warren Well, well. That wasn't there before, so I can only assume that setting up the other bit caused it to generate that file, as I have it too now. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root-tail
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hey, I was reading and got inspired by this 'root-tail' program. Any suggestions on how to pipe the output of 'top' to this? Sure, use top with the '-b' option for batch mode. You can then monitor with any program that uses stdin. Cool! But here's another stupid question: since root-tail seems to be designed to read log files - how do I make it read stdin? Thanks again, Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
Hi, Eric. Well, I'm not sure whether it was the curry, the wine or hitting the keyboard harder, but I finally got it to accept my input. LOL! Reminds me of Apu's grace: Good rice, good curry, good Gandhi let's hurry. -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Join the content organization discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewIndex Join the General Wiki Development discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/DevelopingTheMandrakeCommunity#Discussion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 8:47 pm, Eric Huff wrote: Hi, Eric. Well, I'm not sure whether it was the curry, the wine or hitting the keyboard harder, but I finally got it to accept my input. LOL! Reminds me of Apu's grace: Good rice, good curry, good Gandhi let's hurry. Apu??? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
Apu??? Apu nahaseesomething ... in The Simpsons ? :-) Kind regards, Guilmot Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
Reminds me of Apu's grace: Good rice, good curry, good Gandhi let's hurry. Apu??? He's the Indian owner of the Kwiki Mart on The Simpsons. Having many friends from India makes Apu all the funnier -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Join the content organization discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewIndex Join the General Wiki Development discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/DevelopingTheMandrakeCommunity#Discussion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] User shutdown
Remind me where to find the setting that allows users to shut down? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 9:08 pm, Guilmot Mike wrote: Apu??? Apu nahaseesomething ... in The Simpsons ? :-) Kind regards, Guilmot Mike Ah - I must be the only person in the western world that has never seen The Simpsons g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Saturday 06 September 2003 11:11 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 8:42 am, James Sparenberg wrote: If you run startx from runlevel 3 ... what does it give you as the reason for not starting? There are no error messages. KDE is obviously trying to start up. I hear the .wav file, and bits of the display flash on screen then off again. Then the watch cursor stays on screen for a long time, and finally starts alternating between the watch and the arrow. I don't know how to get out of this apart from powering down. Anne, have you updated libqt. You are describing the symptoms of the bug that prevented qt apps from running in vnx or any other display that does not support RENDER. If you have an older card and XFree86 3.3.6 was installed, this will be the case with you. I'll bet you $10 that if you update your libqt packages your problem will go away. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Speaking of Wiki's and HOWTO's
On Saturday 06 September 2003 09:14 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 2:02 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: Do you mean an intro in the Community Wiki with a link to the Cooker HOWTO? That's what I was thinking I will do it tonight. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root-tail
Cool! But here's another stupid question: since root-tail seems to be designed to read log files - how do I make it read stdin? I've not used root-tail so this may not work: I'd create a named pipe and send the output of top to the pipe. You can then use root-tail on the named pipe. E.g.: mkfifo top-output nohup -b top-output root-tail +whatever parameters you need to pass Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 9:37 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 06 September 2003 11:11 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 8:42 am, James Sparenberg wrote: If you run startx from runlevel 3 ... what does it give you as the reason for not starting? There are no error messages. KDE is obviously trying to start up. I hear the .wav file, and bits of the display flash on screen then off again. Then the watch cursor stays on screen for a long time, and finally starts alternating between the watch and the arrow. I don't know how to get out of this apart from powering down. Anne, have you updated libqt. You are describing the symptoms of the bug that prevented qt apps from running in vnx or any other display that does not support RENDER. If you have an older card and XFree86 3.3.6 was installed, this will be the case with you. I'll bet you $10 that if you update your libqt packages your problem will go away. Forcing it to recognise that it is a Matrox card, not a SiS did the trick. I've done all the upgrades now. It seems unbelievable, but I couldn't get eth0 up either, and as soon as the video problem disappeard eth0 was fine! So you see I wouldn't have been able to update the libqt anyway! Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Saturday 06 September 2003 04:28 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 9:08 pm, Guilmot Mike wrote: Apu??? Apu nahaseesomething ... in The Simpsons ? :-) Kind regards, Guilmot Mike Ah - I must be the only person in the western world that has never seen The Simpsons g Anne Not to worry - I don't think I've ever watched a complete episode. ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] User shutdown
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 9:27 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Remind me where to find the setting that allows users to shut down? I've found it in kde's control centre, where I have it set to allow everybody to shutdown, but still all I'm getting is a small square offering logout or cancel. Logging out drops to a text shell. I want to be offering full shutdown, preferably with the green dragon screen. IIRC this has something to do with changing from Mandrake's version of something to kde's, but what? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root-tail
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:50:16 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Cool! But here's another stupid question: since root-tail seems to be designed to read log files- how do I make it read stdin? top -b filename then root-tail filename -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Rule of Life #1 -- Never get separated from your luggage. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root-tail
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:12:32 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Sure, use top with the '-b' option for batch mode. You can then monitor with any program that uses stdin. weird, when I use top -b, it only shows my user's processes and postfix, not root. even with the -u switch, it won't let me see all processes. any way to show all, or do I need to run two seperate batch modes for that? -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ If you fool around with something long enough, it will eventually break. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Change HD speed depending on HD temperature and system load
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 13:16:35 +0200
Olaf Marzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 02.03 06/09/2003, you wrote:
to extract temperature:
i don't know about hddtemp output, so i use var=/dev/hda:
IC350L40AVER07-0: 42°C for this example -
$ set -- $var; echo ${!#//[^0-9]/}
to extract the 3rd field from /proc/loadavg
$ set -- $(/proc/loadavg); echo $3
Thanks, this is another way to have those values.
it's a bash only way ...
Yesterday I tried to run a kernel compilation to check how much the load
could increase and I noted that (as expected) the second time I compiled
the kernel [for ((i=0;i10;i++)); do make bzImage; done] the loadavg kept
increasing but nothing was read from disk.
I wonder whether there is a way to check real disk activity and not
simply system load.
Moreover, could someone confirm my guess about loadavg values? (1 minute, 5
minutes and 15 minutes).
1, 5 and 10 minutes
A simple link to a page explainig those three values is enough (man top
doesn't explain anything).
one can be found here:
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.2-Manual/ref-guide/s1-proc-topfiles.html
Thanks
Olaf
np
bye
jipe
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Re: [expert] root-tail
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:41:25 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I'd create a named pipe and send the output of top to the pipe. You can then use root-tail on the named pipe. E.g.: mkfifo top-output nohup -b top-output root-tail +whatever parameters you need to pass IIRC, the nohup is so that when you close the term that started all this, the process keeps running, no? -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Death is nature's way of saying `Howdy'. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 16:53, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Saturday 06 September 2003 04:28 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 9:08 pm, Guilmot Mike wrote: Apu??? Apu nahaseesomething ... in The Simpsons ? :-) Kind regards, Guilmot Mike Ah - I must be the only person in the western world that has never seen The Simpsons g Anne Not to worry - I don't think I've ever watched a complete episode. ;-) You do watch Enterprise, though...right? :) LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] keeping 9.2 rc1 current
Thank you Charlie; This works like a charm on my system .:) Ingo Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 5, 2003 07:40 pm, Greg Sarsons wrote: whack tks ... had my line syntax off You still have the address wrong. That mirror for 9.1 will do you no good for cooker which is what you need to connect to for new packages for the release candidates. Try this instead: urpmi.addmedia cooker ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz and; urpmi.addmedia contrib ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/contrib/i586 with ../../cooker/i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz and if you want the really good stuff g: urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://knight.zarb.org/pub/plf/cooker with hdlist.cz lynx -source http://plf.zarb.org/plf.asc | gpg --import That last would require you to have lynx installed, but since Cookers spend so much time at the command line why wouldn't you? I don't know if it's actually necessary now anyway since the latest incarnations of the 'Drake tools seem to handle signatures in packages a lot better than before. Have fun! urpmi.addmedia main ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/M andrake/9.1/i586/Mandrake/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-5mdk 19:47:44 up 5:28, 1 user, load average: 0.63, 0.37, 0.34 Friendships last when each friend thinks he has a slight superiority over the other. -- Honore DeBalzac -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/WT65G11CaRuZZSIRAlPTAKCgvBt53O2XVUAgkYAnUhQxSdC3IACgq6gX GT00aKRT+zVbFLkVKihpL74= =CP2+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] User shutdown
Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 9:27 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Remind me where to find the setting that allows users to shut down? I've found it in kde's control centre, where I have it set to allow everybody to shutdown, but still all I'm getting is a small square offering logout or cancel. Logging out drops to a text shell. I want to be offering full shutdown, preferably with the green dragon screen. IIRC this has something to do with changing from Mandrake's version of something to kde's, but what? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Anne, You need to use kdm (kde display mmanager) instead of xdm. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making routine job easier
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 08:29, Eric Huff wrote: lo. He (and I) have /usr mounted on its own partition, so there's a /usr/lost+found. Hmmm... I have /usr on its own part, too. Does lost+found only get created when you lose something? I don;t think i have ever had a dirty boot on this machine, so i may not have ever had any lost+found material... what filesystem do you use? Bet it isn't ext2/3. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
Not to worry - I don't think I've ever watched a complete episode. ;-) You do watch Enterprise, though...right? :) *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* This next wednesday the 10th, of course, being the season premier. -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Join the content organization discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewIndex Join the General Wiki Development discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/DevelopingTheMandrakeCommunity#Discussion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root-tail
mkfifo top-output nohup -b top-output root-tail +whatever parameters you need to pass IIRC, the nohup is so that when you close the term that started all this, the process keeps running, no? That's what i use it for (got the idea from you!) -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Join the content organization discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewIndex Join the General Wiki Development discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/DevelopingTheMandrakeCommunity#Discussion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root-tail
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Cool! But here's another stupid question: since root-tail seems to be designed to read log files - how do I make it read stdin? I've not used root-tail so this may not work: I'd create a named pipe and send the output of top to the pipe. You can then use root-tail on the named pipe. E.g.: mkfifo top-output nohup -b top-output root-tail +whatever parameters you need to pass Awesome! That did it - instead of 'nohup -b' I did 'top -b' and it does exactly what I was hoping for. Now I have another question for you - what exactly is 'mkfifo'? What is a fifo? I kind of have an idea, just because I can see what it is doing; I tried running vi on the fifo I created though and it seemed to just lock the term window I was using. I checked the man page but could you explain it in english exactly what a fifo does? Thanks again, Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root-tail
IIRC, the nohup is so that when you close the term that started all this, the process keeps running, no? Yes. BTW, someone else mentioned redirecting the top output without the named pipe. This will also work, but you'll need to periodically clear the file or it will grow. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] keeping 9.2 rc1 current
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 6, 2003 03:48 pm, Ingo Bauer wrote: Thank you Charlie; snip You're very welcome. This works like a charm on my system .:) Ingo My pleasure. Enjoy yourself. :-) Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-5mdk 16:15:12 up 6:58, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.10, 0.14 The man who follows the crowd will usually get no further than the crowd. The man who walks alone is likely to find himself in places no one has ever been. -- Alan Ashley-Pitt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Wl0dG11CaRuZZSIRAmDOAJ9b03E8PsPc4Rt34mIbmtu9QOSN8ACeL89y kNX9wYwDXhzFZm9l6jjEjMA= =1xWN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root-tail
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:06:59 -0700 Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: That's what i use it for (got the idea from you!) Old man=memory ain't what it used to be... ;-) -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ The farther you go, the less you know. -- Lao Tsu, Tao Te Ching Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root-tail
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:24:32 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Awesome! That did it - instead of 'nohup -b' I did 'top -b' and it does exactly what I was hoping for. did you notice, though, that if you compare what is showing on the root-tail and what shows if you run top and look at what your user is running, top -b does *not* show all running processes. For example, I always have fetchmail running in the background, but the root-tail coming from top -b did not show it. Is this *because* it's in the background? Weird... -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Rule of Life #1 -- Never get separated from your luggage. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root-tail
nohup -b top-output Duh! I meant, of course, to type top -b... Not enough caffeine yet. Gotta brew another carafe or two. root-tail +whatever parameters you need to pass Awesome! That did it - instead of 'nohup -b' I did 'top -b' and it does exactly what I was hoping for. Now I have another question for you - what exactly is 'mkfifo'? What is a fifo? I kind of have an idea, just because I can see what it is doing; I tried running vi on the fifo I created though and it seemed to just lock the term window I was using. I checked the man page but could you explain it in english exactly what a fifo does? A named pipe is just a method to allow two different processes to communicate with each other. You can also use it in cases where a program doesn't take input from stdin as in the above. Think of it as the same things as using the pipe character | but output goes to a file and input is read from the file. It's also useful in cases where you need to periodically retrieve data but don't want a huge program sitting around in memory listening to a regular pipe. From a google search: http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci212619,00.html named pipe In computer programming, a named pipe is a method for passing information from one computer process to other processes using a pipe or message holding place that is given a specific name. Unlike a regular pipe, a named pipe can be used by processes that do not have to share a common process origin and the message sent to the named pipe can be read by any authorized process that knows the name of the named pipe. A named pipe is sometimes called a FIFO (first in, first out) because the first data written to the pipe is the first data that is read from it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: That movie
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Re: [expert] root-tail
HaywireMac said: On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:24:32 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Awesome! That did it - instead of 'nohup -b' I did 'top -b' and it does exactly what I was hoping for. did you notice, though, that if you compare what is showing on the root-tail and what shows if you run top and look at what your user is running, top -b does *not* show all running processes. For example, I always have fetchmail running in the background, but the root-tail coming from top -b did not show it. Is this *because* it's in the background? Weird... That is strange... but doesn't the 'b' switch mean 'batch'? Or is 'background' tacked onto that also? Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root-tail
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: nohup -b top-output Duh! I meant, of course, to type top -b... Not enough caffeine yet. Gotta brew another carafe or two. hehe :) I know the feeling. root-tail +whatever parameters you need to pass Awesome! That did it - instead of 'nohup -b' I did 'top -b' and it does exactly what I was hoping for. Now I have another question for you - what exactly is 'mkfifo'? What is a fifo? I kind of have an idea, just because I can see what it is doing; I tried running vi on the fifo I created though and it seemed to just lock the term window I was using. I checked the man page but could you explain it in english exactly what a fifo does? A named pipe is just a method to allow two different processes to communicate with each other. You can also use it in cases where a program doesn't take input from stdin as in the above. Think of it as the same things as using the pipe character | but output goes to a file and input is read from the file. It's also useful in cases where you need to periodically retrieve data but don't want a huge program sitting around in memory listening to a regular pipe. From a google search: http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci212619,00.html named pipe In computer programming, a named pipe is a method for passing information from one computer process to other processes using a pipe or message holding place that is given a specific name. Unlike a regular pipe, a named pipe can be used by processes that do not have to share a common process origin and the message sent to the named pipe can be read by any authorized process that knows the name of the named pipe. A named pipe is sometimes called a FIFO (first in, first out) because the first data written to the pipe is the first data that is read from it. Wow! Thank you for taking the time to get me all that! I'm going to hit that site and do some studying now. :) You know, I'm doing Win2k computer / network installs for work and I think to myself everyday - why do people insist on using this crap? Linux is so much more fun! Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Configuring inetd.
It uses xinetd (and has since 7.2) -- you have to create a file such as:
# CVS configuration for xinetd don't forget to specify your CVSROOT in
# /etc/cvs/cvs.conf.
service cvspserver
{
disable = yes
socket_type = stream
protocol= tcp
wait= no
user= root
server = /usr/sbin/cvspserver
}
under /etc/xinetd.d and / or edit the file /etc/xinetd.d/
--
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Core Systems Group
Simple End User Linux
At 09:12 PM 9/5/2003 -0400, you wrote:
On Friday 05 September 2003 08:52 pm, Russell W. Behne wrote:
I'm trying to install and start a server that requires me to add a line
to /etc/inetd.conf:
gnstreamtcp nowaitnobody/usr/local/bin/gngn
However, it seems that there is no inetd.conf. I also want to do some
work with tcp wrappers, which also requires editing inetd.conf. It's
clear to me that something's very different in MDK 9.1, but I can't
figure out what to do next. How does 9.1 handle these inet services now?
I think that it uses xinetd. That is what I am using for my ftp server.
--
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Software Test Engineer
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Re: [expert] Making routine job easier
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 08:29, Eric Huff wrote: lo. He (and I) have /usr mounted on its own partition, so there's a /usr/lost+found. Hmmm... I have /usr on its own part, too. Does lost+found only get created when you lose something? I don;t think i have ever had a dirty boot on this machine, so i may not have ever had any lost+found material... I would guess that they are running either ext2 or ext3 filesystems... don't have those in reiserfs here. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Don't tell me we have another major annoyance on our hands!
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 02:39, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 05 September 2003 08:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Might be as elusive as the chalice of Yendor (sp?) *grin* James Er...isn't that amulet of Yendor? (or is that why the chalice is so elusive!!!) grin You are correct... couldn't open the game and type the e-mail at the same time james Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Configuring apcupsd
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 04:07, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 1:08 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Wel,, the new Smart-UPS700 is in and working, except for two problems - 1) It complained about line 61 in the config file. I take it that it was expecting to find a log file to which it could append, but didn't find it. The line is LOCKFILE /var/lock from building init scripts you have to be more specific. For example the xfs init does /var/lock/subsys/xfs OK - I've sorted that bit. So maybe you want something like /var/lock/subsys/ups or whatever is the name of the program you are locking. You then (in init scripts) have to touch this file. Can you explain this last sentence a bit more, please? Now in this case maybe you need to look into the directory (/var/lock/subsys) and see what the actual lockfile is being created is called when the program starts. The file in question appears to be /var/lock/subsys/apcupsd Ok so in your config file it should have the full path not just the path stub. Instead of /var/lock put /var/lock/subsys/apcupsd Then the config file line 93(if I remember right) won't give you and error. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] User shutdown
Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 9:27 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Remind me where to find the setting that allows users to shut down? I've found it in kde's control centre, where I have it set to allow everybody to shutdown, but still all I'm getting is a small square offering logout or cancel. Logging out drops to a text shell. I want to be offering full shutdown, preferably with the green dragon screen. IIRC this has something to do with changing from Mandrake's version of something to kde's, but what? Anne What I do to get the green dragon is disable autologin in drakboot and enable it in kcontrol System Login Manager. This works for me in mdkkdm. Here is a link to a link to Alan Shoemaker's advice related to this: http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2003-02/msg09582.php Rolf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Filter mail: bcc case
On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 22:26:54 +0200 Olaf Marzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to have fetchmail add something I can use to recognize the mailbox I downloaded the mail from? Thanks Olaf I think you need to examine the full list of headers as you get them. I get the following headers that could be used X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] but in the same message I also get Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] so be careful which header you use to sort your messages, beware that different MTA's probably add different headers eg Eric's previous message stated that he gets Delivered-To: ehuffy-ehuffy:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Envelope-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] which are different from mine. So, have a look at the full source of your received messages and try and identify a unique header that you can use to sort your messages. Cheers Nigel Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Saturday 06 September 2003 04:44 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Forcing it to recognise that it is a Matrox card, not a SiS did the trick. I've done all the upgrades now. It seems unbelievable, but I couldn't get eth0 up either, and as soon as the video problem disappeard eth0 was fine! So you see I wouldn't have been able to update the libqt anyway! Okay, glad to hear you got it running -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
Loads of hints on how to effect the install but no-one's asked if you're still married or isn't he back yet On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:40:50 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to get this fixed before he gets home, or I'll be divorced g What do I do now? Anne -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making routine job easier
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:55:38 +0700 Fajar Priyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I've installed root-tail, but when I run it using the example, nothing happens. ferget dat. it's not compiling, so it's not installed. 1. Go here and configure all your sources: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php then when that's done, urpmi root-tail, and you got it! -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ It's hard to drive at the limit, but it's harder to know where the limits are. -- Stirling Moss Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making routine job easier
lo. He (and I) have /usr mounted on its own partition, so there's a/usr/lost+found. Hmmm... I have /usr on its own part, too. Does lost+found only get created when you lose something? I don;t think i have ever had a dirty boot on this machine, so i may not have ever had any lost+found material... I would guess that they are running either ext2 or ext3 filesystems... don't have those in reiserfs here. Ahhh, ReiserFS here, too. -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Join the content organization discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewIndex Join the General Wiki Development discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/DevelopingTheMandrakeCommunity#Discussion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Interesting times with sound
Hi folks, I'm hoping that someone will have been through this! I've got a new PC, and I'm attempting an install of 8.2 (waiting for the 9.1 CDs to arrive). I've installed ALSA, with some success - the sound is an onboard VIA8233/AC97, and I can play MP3s, I'm getting some noises out of KDE even though arts is complaining mightily - but I can't get a peep out of a CD. Is this back-to-front or what? The CD is a CD/RW, and is set up in fstab as scd0; it works beautifully as a data CD, and I've successfully ripped tracks using grip - and the resulting files sound great in XMMS! but I can't hear a thing when the CD is playing. I looked at the Wiki, and saw Regis' suggestions - when I ll /dev/cdrom I get /dev/cdrom - cdroms/cdrom0 and when I ll /dec/scd0 I get /dev/scd0 - scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd so I think that's okay. Any clues where to look for answers? -- Trish Fraser, Sunbury, Australia Linux user #283226 counter.li.org cassiopeia up 13 days and counting kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Interesting times with sound
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:02:15 +1000 Patricia Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Any clues where to look for answers? It may just be that the volume is turned all the way down. Open the mixer panel in KDE (I don't use KDE, but I know it's in the menu or something somewhere), and you will see that each output has it's own volume control. Very often the problem is as simple as that. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ If your happiness depends on what somebody else does, I guess you do have a problem. -- Richard Bach, Illusions Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Interesting times with sound
Patricia Fraser wrote: Hi folks, I'm hoping that someone will have been through this! I've got a new PC, and I'm attempting an install of 8.2 (waiting for the 9.1 CDs to arrive). I've installed ALSA, with some success - the sound is an onboard VIA8233/AC97, and I can play MP3s, I'm getting some noises out of KDE even though arts is complaining mightily - but I can't get a peep out of a CD. Is this back-to-front or what? The CD is a CD/RW, and is set up in fstab as scd0; it works beautifully as a data CD, and I've successfully ripped tracks using grip - and the resulting files sound great in XMMS! but I can't hear a thing when the CD is playing. I looked at the Wiki, and saw Regis' suggestions - when I ll /dev/cdrom I get /dev/cdrom - cdroms/cdrom0 and when I ll /dec/scd0 I get /dev/scd0 - scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd so I think that's okay. Any clues where to look for answers? Probably because the audio cable from the cd to the sound card is not installed. You will need to open the computer case and check, if missing then install. Larry -- Abit VP-6 Dual Pentium III 1GHz Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdksmp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Interesting times with sound
Patricia Fraser wrote: Hi folks, I'm hoping that someone will have been through this! I've got a new PC, and I'm attempting an install of 8.2 (waiting for the 9.1 CDs to arrive). I've installed ALSA, with some success - the sound is an onboard VIA8233/AC97, and I can play MP3s, I'm getting some noises out of KDE even though arts is complaining mightily - but I can't get a peep out of a CD. Is this back-to-front or what? The CD is a CD/RW, and is set up in fstab as scd0; it works beautifully as a data CD, and I've successfully ripped tracks using grip - and the resulting files sound great in XMMS! but I can't hear a thing when the CD is playing. I looked at the Wiki, and saw Regis' suggestions - when I ll /dev/cdrom I get /dev/cdrom - cdroms/cdrom0 and when I ll /dec/scd0 I get /dev/scd0 - scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd so I think that's okay. Any clues where to look for answers? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com This may be a silly question, but have you checked kmix to make sure the volume is turned up for CD playback? Also, I'm assuming there is a sound cable from the CD to the sound card or motherboard. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Interesting times with sound
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 6, 2003 09:13 pm, Larry Sword wrote: Patricia Fraser wrote: Hi folks, I'm hoping that someone will have been through this! I've got a new PC, and I'm attempting an install of 8.2 (waiting for the 9.1 CDs to arrive). I've installed ALSA, with some success - the sound is an onboard VIA8233/AC97, and I can play MP3s, I'm getting some noises out of KDE even though arts is complaining mightily - but I can't get a peep out of a CD. Is this back-to-front or what? The CD is a CD/RW, and is set up in fstab as scd0; it works beautifully as a data CD, and I've successfully ripped tracks using grip - and the resulting files sound great in XMMS! but I can't hear a thing when the CD is playing. I looked at the Wiki, and saw Regis' suggestions - when I ll /dev/cdrom I get /dev/cdrom - cdroms/cdrom0 and when I ll /dec/scd0 I get /dev/scd0 - scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd so I think that's okay. Any clues where to look for answers? Probably because the audio cable from the cd to the sound card is not installed. You will need to open the computer case and check, if missing then install. Larry Check also if you have the xmms cd plug-in installed. For older distributions it can be difficult to find any updates or packages from the usual download sources. I still have the list of most of the packages for it in old e-mails I've archived though. Here; catch: urpmi.addmedia --update updates http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/Mandrake/updates/8.2/RPMS/ with ../base/hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia main ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/Mandrake-old/8.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia contrib ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/Mandrake-old/8.2/contrib/i586 with ../../i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz If you need them there they are. I'm amazed they still work though. 8.2 support is dead as far as I know, or soon will be. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-5mdk 21:14:37 up 11:57, 1 user, load average: 0.37, 0.29, 0.31 There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos. -- Jim Hightower, Texas Agricultural Commissioner -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/WqT3G11CaRuZZSIRAk+9AJ9SVKJVsNK0HcKzZalp1ZCpp1TTKgCfUcvo MKFJjRliOUkFCkPubiIBx84= =IrrK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
