Re: [Felvtalk] The Heavens Cried for Max Today
I am so sorry. I am more sorry then words can describe. Brillo, Desmond and Nibbler are there guiding your babies home. 3 Crystal - Original Message From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Heavens Cried for Max Today Last night I had the most horrible dream - I suppose because I knew what would happen today. In my dream I reached out to touch a big purple glass ball - then it turned around and it was a grinning human skull on a dog's body. I just knew it was there to take all my cats so I threw a big candle at it. It said in a mocking voice, You wouldn't hurt a dog, would you? Not a dog. Then I picked up a big stick and tried to hit it. It killed all my cats with the exception of a black and white one I was very relieved that I'd managed to save one. Now that's what I call a stress dream. I don't even know if I'm going to go to work tomorrow. I just want to stay home and be quiet. Today it was Speckles. Not even 2 weeks ago it was Bridget, and 5 days before Bridget it was Baby Girl. A few weeks before that it was Frosty Paws. I'm just waiting for the next bit of bad news. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Brillo and Desmond
Thank you everyone for your kind thoughts and prayers about Brillo and Desmond. Crystal ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] RIP Brillo and Desmond
Both of my beautiful baby boys, Brillo and Desmond joined their brother Nibbler in heaven today. My heart is broken. They will be missed more then words can describe. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic
Right now they are both on the pred steroids. I called the vet today and she said they were both negative for the hemobartonella. So when she orignally put Brillo on doxy for a day it was before she got the negative test result for the hemo and had me take him off because of that result and because he was throwing it up. - Original Message From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 11:35:24 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic Doxy is one of the best drugs for a kitty with possible hemobartonella which positive kitties seem very susceptible to. There are other drugs in the tetrocycline family but doxy is the one usually used. There is another one that is used, it starts with an *I*, I can't remember the name of it but it is stronger for kitties that don't respond to doxy or may have a problem with it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic
When I called they said they tested for the parasites that cause the hemo. They didn't tell me the name of the test. I looked at the paperwork and it says they did a Hematocrit (PCV) and Complete Blood Count (CBC). All of these tests and information is new to me because my last vet gave up on my FeLV+ kitties in October when they tested positive. Not sure what all of this means for my babies but we go back on Wednesday and I plan on asking about this again. Thank you do much for your help and info. - Original Message From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 3:31:10 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic The hemobartonella test is very, very hard to get a positive result on, it has to be taken at the precise moment the bugs are acting up or it will give a negative result. I know more than one cat that was positive but tested negative 4 or 5 times before they finally caught it. Those cats that were put on doxy did well, those that weren't some died. I will always put a cat that is anemic for an unknown reason on doxy to be on the safe side, especially a positive cat ... just my opinion but to me it isn't worth taking the chance of losing my furkid to something that is treatable. How is haemobartonellosis diagnosed? Sometimes the organism can be seen inside cells on a blood smear. To find them, a small drop of blood is spread over a microscope slide, stained and examined under the microscope. The number of organisms in the bloodstream can fluctuate dramatically. *There can be many observed in one sample, and a sample taken two hours later may reveal none.* A polymerase chain reaction (PCR) blood test to detect this hemotropic mycoplasma is available. http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2102aid=293 -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic
Hi everyone...haven't posted on her since I lost Nibbler in November...his brothers Brillo and Desmond are now both anemic. My boys are both about 8 months now and were born with FeLV. 3 weeks ago I noticed Brillo eating his litter and I checked his gums and they were pale. Took him to the vet and his rbc count was down to 12%. She started him on steroids and the following week it jumped upto 18%. I had hope. Last week his count fell down to 9% and she said he only had a week or two left to live. Its non regenerative anemia and she said the FeLV has spread to his bone marrow. He was doing so well and then it came out of nowhere. She's having me take him in on Wednesday to see if its time...I am heartbroken. He has been losing about 4 ounces of weight a week because he lost his appetite even though she started him on meds a week and a half ago to increase his appetite but they don't seem to be working. He still purrs everytime hes touched and jumps onto the window perch and onto our king bed to sleep on my lap. On top of all this, I noticed his brother Desmond licking the window last week and I checked his gums and they were a little pale. I took him to the vet and his rbc was only 12%. His bloodwork came back and his anemia is regenerative (the opposite of Brillo) plus he has a good appetite and weighs about 2 1/2 lbs more then Brillo. She also started him on steroids. I take him in on Wednesday to have his rbc rechecked. I am so afraid she is going to tell me my baby Brillo needs pts. When she told me he only had 1-2 weeks left my heart fell to my stomach...I'm still not over his twin Nibbler's passing...I have never bonded with any other pets like I have with my FeLV+ kitties Nibbler, Brillo and Desmond. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic
She originally had Brillo on it for the first day 3 weeks ago. She had him stop because he threw it up. She also told me since it turned out to be non reg it wouldn't make a difference...I will call tomorrow and double check. She didn't mention trying it for Desmond...I will ask about him tomorrow when I call tomorrow. Thank you. - Original Message From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 12:12:11 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic Has both of them been put on prenisolone and doxocycline? When my Bailey was anemic he was put on epogen and his anemia resolved, his bone marrow aspirate showed the virus in his bone marrow but the epogen brought his HCT from a low of 15% to 40% in about 6 weeks. Most vets are scared to death to use it so don't be surprised if you get resistance ... I am almost afraid and tired of repeating my success with it because so many vets seem terrified of the idea of using it and I see cat after cat die because of it. But I promised Bailey I would, and in his honor I will continue to try to save every furkid I can with his story so I plug on if it doesn't work the results are the same, your furkid will die, if it does work ... -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lyttle Guy passed away
I am so sorry. My little Nibbler will be there to guide him home. -Original Message- From: James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:37 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Lyttle Guy passed away Lyttle Guy passed away in my arms at 4:18am this morning. He had series of seizures and then gasped his last breath. He was truly loved and shall be dearly missed. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Anyone Near Harrisburg Or Philadelphia?
I know this is a long shot, but I got two FeLV+ stray cats on the waiting list for a cat sanctuary near Harrisburg. She said she could probably take them in Jan or Feb. My problem is I need someone to take care of them until they can go there. The male got fixed today and female will be fixed tomorrow. I will drive them to you (I live 5-6 hours away) but I really need someone able to house them until they can in. I already have 8 cats (2 FeLV+) and a baby coming Feb 6th so I cannot afford this. I would love to be able to bring them to you to temp house at the end of this week. Please help. Thanks. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Caught The 2 Semi-Ferals!
Just wanted to let everyone know I caught the male and female semi feral FeLV+ that I was talking about in the sanctuary post. Mama Cat and Dusty are now at the vet waiting to get fixed! However, Dusty didn't like his cage much and cut his little nose, poor baby. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
Setting the live trap tonight to take them in to get fixed this coming week. Just found out the owner is moving his business from that building so there won't be anyone there to feed them daily. My husband and I go down there every couple days to feed them as well but we are probably moving 4 hours away. I am worried there won't be anyone to care for them anymore. They arent completely feral...they always let us pet them and one sits on our laps and runs to us as soon as he sees us. - Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries Agreed. Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect. --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM We have trapped two large groups. In each group one was FeLV+. None of the others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the colony. The other guy was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list had a negative living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He never tested positive. Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside and separate. Not the vet's decision. Yours. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long have they been living with that group of cats? We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for at least 4 years now. She and a small feral colony came with the house. Last year I tested her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for him and he was negative. So it really isn't that transmissible within a healthy adult population. --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother and father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not fixed. I went to the vet today to make appointments to get them fixed and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect other cats. However, I don't think I can do that because they aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get sick. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks - Crystal ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_1:092010 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_2:092009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
Oh okay. Yes, they like us to pet them, just not picked up. I have also contacted a couple FeLV+ in PA and NJ..one said they were full...waiting on some others responses. I will drive up to 5 hours away if I have too for a good home for them...sooner the better because I am 31 weeks pregnant. - Original Message From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, December 10, 2009 6:51:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries If they can be handled, they can be adopted...they are NOT feral. Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:27:36 -0800 From: crystal_pro...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries Setting the live trap tonight to take them in to get fixed this coming week. Just found out the owner is moving his business from that building so there won't be anyone there to feed them daily. My husband and I go down there every couple days to feed them as well but we are probably moving 4 hours away. I am worried there won't be anyone to care for them anymore. They arent completely feral...they always let us pet them and one sits on our laps and runs to us as soon as he sees us. - Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries Agreed. Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect. --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM We have trapped two large groups. In each group one was FeLV+. None of the others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the colony. The other guy was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list had a negative living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He never tested positive. Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside and separate. Not the vet's decision. Yours. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long have they been living with that group of cats? We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for at least 4 years now. She and a small feral colony came with the house. Last year I tested her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for him and he was negative. So it really isn't that transmissible within a healthy adult population. --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother and father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not fixed. I went to the vet today to make appointments to get them fixed and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect other cats. However, I don't think I can do that because they aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get sick. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks - Crystal ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you
[Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother and father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not fixed. I went to the vet today to make appointments to get them fixed and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect other cats. However, I don't think I can do that because they aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get sick. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks - Crystal ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
Hmmm, maybe I will rethink the sanctuary idea. I don't want them to live a horrible life. Plus all the places I have contacted are full. I have an appointment to get the female fixed on the 22nd...a few days before that I have to start trying to catch her. I am getting a live trap. Shes friendly but you can't pick her up and put her in a cage. I am hoping they will keep her over the holiday to observe her and let her heal before I let her go back outside. I dont think its my place to make the choice to end her life...or the male cats life either. There are several people that care for them and feed them and its only those two cats that live there. I think I will just get them both fixed to prevent kittens and continue on with what we do. --- Frank Sue Koren Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:56:03 -0800 Is 10th life the sanctuary that was supposedly researching snake venom about two years ago? Sue - Original Message - From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of my feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I drove down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her backlet me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw with my own eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be cautious Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800 From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries Agreed. Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect. --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM We have trapped two large groups. In each group one was FeLV+. None of the others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the colony. The other guy was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list had a negative living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He never tested positive. Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside and separate. Not the vet's decision. Yours. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long have they been living with that group of cats? We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for at least 4 years now. She and a small feral colony came with the house. Last year I tested her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for him and he was negative. So it really isn't that transmissible within a healthy adult population. --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother and father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not fixed. I went to the vet today to make appointments to get them fixed and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect other cats. However, I don't think I can do that because they aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get sick. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks - Crystal ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see
[Felvtalk] Shots For FeLV+ Kittens?
Just wanted to thank everyone again for the kind words about my baby I lost a week ago, Nibbler. I have some questions about his two brothers Brillo and Desmond. They are in great health with no symptoms. Is it a good idea to get FeLV+ kittens their shots? Also, in a month they will be old enough to get fixed, should I do that as well? Just wanted to get everyone's thoughts on this. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS
Just wanted to let everyone know we had to let Nibbler go today. It was the hardest thing I have ever done. I'm not sure how I am going to get used to him not greeting me every morning and getting to say goodnight to him in front of the fireplace. Thanks everyone that has helped with my questions about him. Crystal ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS
Thank you everyone. You all are truly very wonderful and caring people. Nibbler made it to 16 weeks. He took a turn for the worse a couple days ago. Fortunately, he was purring and happy and we got to hold him as he went. I know he is in a better place even though this is the worst broken heart I have ever had. Nibbler is now in Heaven. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Interferon And Other Medicine Questions
Hi everyone. My vet and I have been talking about putting my asymptomatic FeLV + kitten, Nibbler, on Interferon. However, she said the only kind she can get information on is the newer formula and it costs about $50 per month. Also, since its so new she doesn't know how well it works. Does anyone know where to get it cheaper and/or a similar product that you recommend? Thank you- Crystal ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Hi Cougar Clan- My little ones are very spoiled and I believe lead a very stress free lifestyle. The only thing that I think stresses Nibbler out is getting his vitamins and Prt Tinic via liquid syringe orally. He doesn't like the taste at all and he needs this done a few times a day. I will look up Rescue Remedy and Feliway. Thank you very much for the kind words. They have brought me some comfort when my heart feels so broken. I have been very stressed since we found out that they were FeLV + and much more the past couple weeks since Nibbler's been having very bad days. Even though its very difficult and it breaks my heart, taking care of them is well worth it when Nibbler curls up on me and purrs. Sounds like Dixie had an amazing and happy life too. I live in a small town in NW PA so there aren't many options vet wise. However, I emailed two vets, one holistic and another I am hoping to be a specialist last night, that are both about 2 hours away. I am waiting for phone calls to see what they have to offer. Kittens and I might be making a road trip soon. Crystal Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:35:13 -0800 Cougar Clan First, lessen the stress on him and on yourself and give him and the others the best food possible. Rescue Remedy and Feliway may help you and the kittens. Second, enjoy every minute you have with these babies. Don't look at calenders and wonder what if when or have self-doubts (almost impossible but try). Every one starts dying the minute they take their first breath. Make life as easy and fun and comfortable as you can for all you care about. Nibbler and his sibblings have a hard row ahead of them but think what their lives would be like if you and your husband hadn't cared? Dixie Louise lived 3 years when the vets were betting a much shorter time. She had everything I thought she might possibly want (with the exception of mice to chase and, had I known she was going to leave so suddenly, I might have gotten her the mice). She was full grown when she came into my life as a throw- away. She was the most wonderful little girl and I would not trade one second with her for anything. That time is well worth the pain. If you have a holistic vet in your area, seek her help. Dixie had her regular vets who are marvelous and she had a great holistic vet, Betty Boswell. I credit the combination of styles for her happy life. Blessings to you, your husband and the kittens. On Nov 18, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Crystal Proper wrote: Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. He’s also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. He’s my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Hi Diane- I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV. I am very thankful and grateful to have her help. She is very busy and always listens to my constant questions. However, she keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and there's nothing I can do. However, I've been reading everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is something you can do so I am trying to get as much information as possible. I emailed two other vets yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are specialists on it. I live in NW PA and I'm finding it difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot. I am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will. She did tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good for him. I am still trying everything to get him out of the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can be as big and healthy as his 2 FelV + brothers. Crystal - Diane Rosenfeldt Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800 Hi, Crystal -- You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are great for taking on this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I guess my first (and only -- there are many more experienced people on this list to ask the others) question is how confident are you that your vet is up to speed on FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the most knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes kittens convert to negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know if this is still an option for yours? Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isnt. Hes been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. Hes also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I dont want to give up on him. Heres my list He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. Hes also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. Hes my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Belinda- All 3 kittens, Nibbler, Brillo and Desmond all got antibiotics when we got them at 4 weeks old. Brillo and Desmond kicked the upper resp after a couple weeks but Nibbler hasn't. He was on them for another 6 or 7 weeks after that but we had to take him off about 2 weeks ago because it was too much for his little system to handle. He is very small and his digestive system has been bad for awhile. The vet said that the antibiotics may have killed all the good bacteria in his system. That's why we have him on all the vitamins right now, but the poor thing is suffering from the constant runny eyes and nose. Crystal Belinda Sauro Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:32:59 -0800 When my Frankie got an upper respiratory, he had it for a long time. How long has Nibbler been on the antibiotic? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Amy- That's only an 1 1/2 from me! I would love her name and contact info please! Crystal Amy Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:13:44 -0800 Hi Crystal, Are you far from Cornell University in NY? I recently took my cat to see an internal med there and have been incredibly pleased with her knowledge and compassion. She is the only one who has not given up on my leuk positive cat. I'd be happy to send you her name if it's a trip that you could make. Amy --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 3:43 AM Hi Diane- I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV. I am very thankful and grateful to have her help. She is very busy and always listens to my constant questions. However, she keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and there's nothing I can do. However, I've been reading everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is something you can do so I am trying to get as much information as possible. I emailed two other vets yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are specialists on it. I live in NW PA and I'm finding it difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot. I am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will. She did tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good for him. I am still trying everything to get him out of the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can be as big and healthy as his 2 FelV + brothers. Crystal - Diane Rosenfeldt Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800 Hi, Crystal -- You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are great for taking on this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I guess my first (and only -- there are many more experienced people on this list to ask the others) question is how confident are you that your vet is up to speed on FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the most knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes kittens convert to negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know if this is still an option for yours? Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isnt. Hes been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. Hes also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I dont want to give up on him. Heres my list He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. Hes also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. Hes my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Amy- I just found out its actually 4 1/2 hours away from me instead of 1 1/2. I don't think I can make that drive right now. Thanks, Crystal Amy- That's only an 1 1/2 from me! I would love her name and contact info please! Crystal Amy Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:13:44 -0800 Hi Crystal, Are you far from Cornell University in NY? I recently took my cat to see an internal med there and have been incredibly pleased with her knowledge and compassion. She is the only one who has not given up on my leuk positive cat. I'd be happy to send you her name if it's a trip that you could make. Amy --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 3:43 AM Hi Diane- I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV. I am very thankful and grateful to have her help. She is very busy and always listens to my constant questions. However, she keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and there's nothing I can do. However, I've been reading everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is something you can do so I am trying to get as much information as possible. I emailed two other vets yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are specialists on it. I live in NW PA and I'm finding it difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot. I am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will. She did tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good for him. I am still trying everything to get him out of the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can be as big and healthy as his 2 FelV + brothers. Crystal - Diane Rosenfeldt Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800 Hi, Crystal -- You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are great for taking on this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I guess my first (and only -- there are many more experienced people on this list to ask the others) question is how confident are you that your vet is up to speed on FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the most knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes kittens convert to negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know if this is still an option for yours? Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isnt. Hes been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. Hes also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I dont want to give up on him. Heres my list He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. Hes also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. Hes my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. He’s also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. He’s my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
