Re: [Finale] Simple with MIDI
If I was going to primarily use Simple with a MIDI keyboard, I would take the time to remap all of the numpad commands to the qwerty keyboard. I'd probably end up using my right hand on the MIDI keyboard then and my left hand on the asdf keys. This gives the advantages of the modifier keys. I would probably also make sure to give myself navigational ability, probably by holding the Alt key and pressing letters. I'm quite sure you could design a system where your hands don't have to move. Tyler --- Richard Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron Sherber wrote: Ah, now this you *can* make easier. As has been pointed out, every command that Simple allows can be assigned to whatever keystroke you want (or even multiple keystrokes). From the Simple menu, choose Simple Entry Options, then Edit Keyboard Shortcuts. This can probably help for some key assignments but there are just not enough combinations within reach of the numpad. In particular, forgetting to change the duration with a numpad number before pressing the MIDI keyboard for the pitch is, and always will be, a common error. Changing the duration now requires Alt plus a numpad number - an impossible stretch and hence both hands are needed. Does anyone (who has tried both) think that Simple without MIDI input is the way to go? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Simple with MIDI
First of all, I agree that Simple needs the enharmonic flip. I'll be pushing for that. Personally, with many of the pieces I do I find that at any given time I'm usually entering primarily sharps or primarily flats. Because of this I make use of the enharmonic spelling options favor sharps and favor flats. I would think it might even be worth it to map two keys to these modes (using the TGTools plugin). In your example that would have consolidated all of that extra work to a single preliminary keypress. The tuplet in this example is going to be slower with Simple than Speedy. The tuplet mechanism in Simple becomes advantageous when there are more tuplets and the duration or type is frequently the same. If I didn't want to change the enharmonic spelling option and I had to enter this partial measure, I would actually do it without MIDI. The reason is that the accidental would carry through the measure for me, so I would type C D - E D C D. If a lot of people start designing their own sets, I think it would be nice to have a place to share them. I can suggest this to other people at MakeMusic. I would try creating a couple of new shortcuts - two or three for defining the enharmonic spelling, and one for toggling on and off MIDI Input within Simple Entry (it's nice to be able to play notes on the keyboard without it writing on the screen). I would also move my number pad commands to the qwerty letters so that I could have virtually all commands available. This should make the few disadvantages less severe. I think then that the advantages of Simple Entry would easily be able to make up the difference and start increasing speed with most music. If I get some time, I'll put together some modified power sets for both MIDI and non-MIDI entry. Tyler --- Richard Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to enter the partial measure (from T.A. Vitali's Chaconne) you can see at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/tuplets.gif (less than 1 KB). In Simple Entry with MIDI keyboard it took: midi c ctrl 9 click change 3 to 6 click change 2 to 4 OK midi d flat cursor left cursor up minus minus cursor right midi e flat midi d flat cursor left cursor up minus minus cursor right midi c midi d flat cursor left cursor up minus minus cursor right 27 keystrokes for six notes! Speedy midi took 14 (and would have been shorter had I made the enharmonic change to all c sharps at once when the measure was done. By the way, the other two beats of the measure just repeated the first one.) Is there a shorter way in Simple? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finalelist [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Disappointed
And all I suggest is that you give it some time. I look at the keyboard/screen less in Simple now than I ever did in Speedy. It's not hard to get used to spotting intervals greater than a 4th. Furthermore, since it's playing each note as you enter it, if you do make a mistake, you'll hear it and you can press a key to fix it. You aren't penalized for entering the note in the wrong octave first and then fixing it. It's the same number of keystrokes as getting it correct the first time. This is another reason I'm very fond of Simple Entry now. Mistakes don't slow you down as much as they do in Speedy. Tyler --- Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 06:14 PM 8/28/2003, Tyler Turner wrote: When you press a pitch key in simple entry, it chooses the octave for that pitch which is closest to the last entered pitch. Since the largest interval in London Bridges is a Perfect 4th, it will guess correctly every time in this example. Yes, I see that now in the Manual. That wasn't clear to me from playing with it -- thanks for pointing it out. And that *is* pretty nifty. As I said, earlier, though, each person's situation is different. That's a very useful function if you're composing while looking at the screen and keeping track of where you are, but a lot of what I personally do in Finale starts with a lot of heads-down note entry -- copying something from an existing score, part, or arrangement. In Speedy, I can do this like touch typing, keeping my eyes on the source material and not thinking much about it. In Simple, as I go along and encounter leaps in the line, I need to be consciously thinking about whether the leap is greater than a fourth and whether I therefore need to switch an octave. In Speedy, I don't need to analyze at all -- I just go directly to the right note, in the right octave. I find that every time a program tries to think for me in this way, the times it gets it right (and appears very cool in doing so) are often compensated for by the additional thinking I have to do when the program gets it wrong. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finalelist [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Saving Human Playback as a midi file.
Here's a quote: When a document is saved as a MIDI file, the Human Playback information will be stored as well. Not possible to the save the HP modifications themselves to a Finale document (unless you import the exported MIDI file). Just to make sure it's clear, the Human Playback settings you've chosen are saved with the Finale file. Jari is correct that the HP setting doesn't permanently alter your .mus file - in other words if you turn HP off your file plays normally. But with HP on, if you play your file from within Finale, you hear the effects of HP. You don't first have to save it as a MIDI file or Wave file to hear it. And if you send your document to another user with Finale 2004, your HP settings are still maintained within that document, so the recipient will hear it with the same HP settings. Tyler __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Disappointed
Not as easy as with Speedy, where I have 3 octaves under my hand. Imagine a simple pattern in eighth notes alternating two notes in different octaves. In Simple, it takes me 2 keystrokes to get each note (unless I'm missing something) -- in Speedy only one. Actually for your example it's the same number of keystrokes. In Speedy Entry you press the pitch key and then the rhythm key for each note. In Simple Entry you press the octave key and the pitch key for each note. 2 each. You should remap the octave switching keys in Simple Entry to something that's quicker for this. Ideal candidates might be something with the ring finger of the left hand since it isn't used with ABCDEFG or possibly even something on the number pad. Back and forth combinations between the hands can be incredibly quick. To give an example, with both Speedy and Simple Entry, try entering a C scale in eighth notes with an eighth rest after each note. Speedy can't compare to Simple in this exercise. Tyler __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Disappointed
--- Richard Huggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tyler Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To give an example, with both Speedy and Simple Entry, try entering a C scale in eighth notes with an eighth rest after each note. Speedy can't compare to Simple in this exercise. Excuse me, Tyler, but your statement is just not true at all. Did you mean with or without MIDI? With MIDI, as the other person said, in a typical situation the LH is on the MIDI keyboard poised to play a C scale, which, unless you're not keyboard proficient, you can do without looking. The RH taps the 4 key...etc. Can't compare? --Richard That wasn't the topic. Aaron was exclusively comparing non-MIDI entry in Speedy and Simple. My point is correct. But in reality, Speedy couldn't even keep up with Simple with MIDI entry in this scenario. It simply takes more keypresses. Speedy w/out caps lock: (Hold C 4) 4 (Hold D 4) 4 (Hold E 4) 4 (Hold F 4) 4 (Hold G 4) 4 (Hold A 4) 4 (Hold B 4) 4 (Hold C 4) 4 Speedy w/ caps lock: C C Backspace (or numlock) D D BS E E BS F F BS G G BS A A BS B B BS C C BS OR C Cluster Chord D (CC) E (CC) F (CC) G (CC) A (CC) B (CC) C (CC) Simple: C 0 D 0 E 0 F 0 G 0 A 0 B 0 C 0 Tyler __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Disappointed
--- Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:41 PM 8/27/2003, Tyler Turner wrote: Actually for your example it's the same number of keystrokes. In Speedy Entry you press the pitch key and then the rhythm key for each note. In Simple Entry you press the octave key and the pitch key for each note. 2 each. Okay, but if the pitches are on different rhythms? Yes, if the notes constantly change rhythms and are continuously jumping octaves, you have a situation where Speedy is faster. But this is extremely uncommon in the music I've seen. I don't think it can be said that this one scenario can allow Speedy to match the overall speed of Simple, especially when you consider how often the advantages of Simple Entry will come into play. After all, continual octave jumping passages are probably most common in keyboard music, right? With Simple Entry, you now have the ability to make chords quickly and switch layers with automatic hidden rests. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that these two features alone will more than make up for that single scenario for virtually everyone. And there are MANY more advantages in simple entry. To give an example, with both Speedy and Simple Entry, try entering a C scale in eighth notes with an eighth rest after each note. Speedy can't compare to Simple in this exercise. I'm not sure I understand. In Speedy, this alternates left and right hands. The left hand just runs up one row of the keyboard, which I can do without looking; the right hand keeps tapping 4 on the keypad. In simple, I have to think about where the notes are, even though I don't have to keep hitting the duration. No, in Simple you can map the keys however you want. Put them in in a row. It's quick and easy, and that's the reason we included the feature. Tyler __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: 2004 Panic
Finale 2004 Registration FAQs Q. Does Finale 2004 have copy protection? A. No. It does, however, require software registration within 30 days of installation. Failure to do so will temporarily disable printing and saving until you do register. You may also install Finale on two machines (on the same platform an additional platform disc is $50) for your personal use under one serial number at no additional charge. Q. How does this differ from Sibelius? A. Sibelius Software employs an encryption system to unlock the program to enable use. You are required to register the program with Sibelius within 5 days of loading it onto your computer. Sibelius grants the purchaser the right to use the product on a single terminal of a single computer in a single location. A second license may be granted in certain instances for non-simultaneous use, by the same user, for an additional fee. Any further use is prohibited. Q. How do I register? A. Finale provides a Registration Wizard that walks you though a few simple steps. If your computer is on-line, authorization occurs automatically at the conclusion of these steps. Q. What if I don't have an Internet connection? A. The Registration Wizard can print out a form that can be used by fax or mail. If you call MakeMusic! we can provide you with an authorization code that will complete your registration. Similarly if you send your form in by mail or fax, this code will be returned to you by the same means. Q. How long will this take? A. If you have an Internet connection it will take seconds. If you place a toll-free phone call, it will take minutes. If you fax us, we will typically return the fax by the next business day. If you send in your registration by mail, we'll return your authorization by mail, and this will take several days. Q. How many times can I install Finale? A. You can install and reinstall Finale an unlimited number of times on the same computer. If you own more than one computer you can install on the second computer an unlimited number of times as well. Should you get a new computer (or hard drive) and have previously only installed on one computer, you're still fine. Should you need to install on a third computer (say after buying a new machine), you will need only to place a toll-free call to MakeMusic!. Q. What happens if I reformat my hard drive? A. You will have to reregister, but this will not decrement the number of machines you can install on. Q. If I find something I dislike about this software registration, may I return Finale for a full refund? A. Yes. If you purchased either Finale or a Finale upgrade directly from MakeMusic!, and for any reason are not fully satisfied by it, you are welcome to return the software for a refund within 30 days of your purchase. Q. Why are you requiring software registration at this time? A. The worldwide Finale user base has grown dramatically over the years. The demands on our Technical Support and Customer Service resources have grown in step. Unfortunately, the growth of illegal copies of Finale has also grown dramatically. Registration affords us the means to continue to provide the best possible service to our loyal, paying customers and minimizes the impact of illegal copies on our ability to reinvest in product development. Q. How does this work in a site license setting? A. Finale comes with built-in support for KeyServer for network uses. An additional network solution for those not using KeyServer will be available in a forthcoming maintenance release. In a site setting with no special server or network needs, computers must be registered individually. Q. How do I transfer registration from one computer to another? A. Right now this type of transfer is possible but users must do so through MakeMusic! Customer Service. In a forthcoming maintenance release, which will be available free of charge to owners of Finale 2004, we will include a means to transfer registration from one computer to another without the need to contact MakeMusic!. Q. What happens if Im unable to register during normal phone hours? A. You can register via the Internet 24 hours a day. Additionally, we currently provide phone registration 24 hours a day (subject to change). Q. What happens if MakeMusic! ceases to exist? Will I still be able to use the software?A. If we cease to exist, Finale will continue to run on your computer. You would, however, run into problems if you tried, for example, to register a third machine. While we have no intention of disappearing, we take all customer concerns seriously, and in a forthcoming maintenance release, which will be available free of charge to owners of Finale 2004, we will include a means to transfer registration from one computer to another without the need to contact MakeMusic!. Q. How does registration work for International customers? A. International customers who purchased directly from MakeMusic! register with MakeMusic!. If the seller of your English
Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4
Which particular bug is being referenced here? Could you be a bit more specific? Jari is correct. It would be best to e-mail the request to winsupport directly. The more people we hear from about a bug the more attention we can give to getting it fixed. Tyler MakeMusic Technical Support --- Jari Williamsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes: Did you ask them if they fixed the slur bug? This bug is embarrassing. Although I agree with you about this bug, it's probably helpful to understand a bit how Coda/MakeMusic works when deciding what (or when) to fix: If too few people complain about a bug, Coda/Makemusic will not fix it since they believe that it isn't a major problem. The same goes (more or less) for feature requests. FWIW, I've been complaining about this bug since Fin2001. So your chance to get this fixed in Fin2004 is to make sure tech support get reproducible bug reports. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The S Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]
"If I want to make a string run sound realistic by extending the note durations of each note, the closest I can come quickly is to put a slur over the music. Of course, I can't have separate playback definitions for my slurs, so if I do this, ALL of my slurs will make notes playback at 120% duration." --- Upon reflection, the best way to do this in Sibelius is actually to define a dictionary term for affecting duration. I would have to create a new one for each run though if I wanted them to have different playback effects.Do You Yahoo!? New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free unlimited access
Re: [Finale] The S Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]
Richard Walker wrote: The neat thing about this is that it is all editable by the user. To behonest, it's not a pretty job, but it is doable. What I did was to load adefault set of about 75 patches into my GigaStudio rig, saving them as aperformance file for future use. (Yes, it takes a while for everything toload when Giga is turned on, but I'm willing to put up with it.) Then Icopied the Sibelius soundset for General MIDI, changed its name, andreplaced its list with my Giga instrument assignments, so that instrument 2is now flute and instrument 4 is Trumpet (jazz). Then I created groupsto display instruments the way *I* want to see them, and replaced Sibelius'default assignments with my own.It took some work to set this up, but the result is that I now get exactlywhat I want in instrument assignments without the tedium of tweaking everydamned patch in every damned score, or littering my disk with thousands oftemplates. And doing this would have been much easier in Finale where creating patch change expressions that can be accessed via metatools is simple. But using GigaStudio via patch changes like this is limiting. I find it is much more convenient to have the various articulations for an instrument be selectable via the mod wheel (or a similar method). So I load 20 or so instruments, each which has been programmed to have all of it's articulations selectable on the mod wheel, and then I can quickly audition through the various styles from my keyboard, and when I find the right one, hold down the corresponding metatool key for that mod setting and click. Done. I've only had to program 8 metatools (that's all I have to remember), the sounds are easy to audition, and inputting them is much faster than typing in a word or even having to select from a contextual menu. For working with GigaStudio, I see no way that Sibelius can perform as quickly as Finale. -- Now, where the real power comes in is that Sibelius has included a resetinstruments command, so I can create a file using my preferred patches, andwhen I send it to you, you can click a button to reset everything to playback on your preferred patches. (Philip, did you read this far? There's aplayback trick I don't think you can get Finale to do!) -- Well, using my method you would just eliminate the mod wheel expressions (in one stroke). Since the instrument list isn't even controlling my GigaStudio patches, nothing has to change inside of it. The MIDI Tool is a big part of my arsenal when making realistic sounding playback files with Finale. It allows me to add huminizing effects that cannot be achieved with ease in Sibelius. Don't get me wrong. I do think Sibelius has a lot of really cool things. There are plenty of things in it that Finale could benefit from. But I can't see any way that it could allow me to work as quickly as Finale with MIDI. __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
