[Finale] FinMac2004
On 16 Apr 2004, at 02:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had the same problem with command z failing to work from time to time, and other recalcitrant behavior, like working with the page layout tool, putting in new values for page or system margins, seeing Finale calculate the new data (you can tell it is doing this by observing the distance needed for new system or whatever they call that number that appears at the bottom which changes as it's supposed to) but the changes don't redraw (of course, I've checked the redraw options) until I click on the page. I've got that -- I didn't know there *was* a way to make it redraw. The redraw button on TGTools Staff List Manager won't redraw until you close the dialog either. Both of these behaviors turned out to be related to corrupted preference files, and my local guru fixed the problem (too fast for me to catch everything he did). Since I have installed 2004b, the problems have reappeared! Just wanted to let you know that you are not alone. If I can figure out how to correct this, I'll let you know. Please do. I'd rather not erase my preferences needlessly -- it takes a long time to recreate them. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn NY ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] FinMac2004, MacSupport, and speed issues
Hello, I have exchanged a few emails with Mac Support about speed problems in FinMac 2004. My complaints have to do with the miserable hesitation when editing SmartShapes or when editing using Special Tools. Their suggestion was that I turn off auto smart word extensions in lyrics, turn off auto spacing and auto update, turn off human playback (or set it to quicktime instruments), and lower screen resolution and number of colors. None of these worked -- I always work with spacing and update off, I don't care much about playback, and I'm not now working with lyrics. I tried lowering resolution, but it made no difference. Who knew being smart also means being slow? Any proposals for renaming these smart items? I'm posting for two reasons. First of all, those of you who are having worse speed problems than me or are working with lyrics might try their suggestions. Second, I wanted to share the last response I got from Mac Support: The problem with editing SmartShapes and with the Special Tools are documented and we are looking into them. I will keep your information handy. If I have an update on this or hear about steps that could help, I will share them with you. Thank you for your feedback. Thierry Technical Support Representative MakeMusic!, Inc. Coda Music Technologies David Froom ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2004, MacSupport, and speed issues
On Mar 9, 2004, at 8:48 AM, David Froom wrote: Who knew being smart also means being slow? Anyone with experience on old, speed-challenged computers. Any feature that is constantly updating on the fly is going to slow down the program. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2004/Panther font question
If you have a font editor for OS X it's actually very easy to do this yourself, I have to do this for some of my own fonts as well. Johannes -- Any recommendations for one? Is there an upgrade for Fontographer? -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2004/Panther font question
On 22/01/04 12:16, Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have a font editor for OS X it's actually very easy to do this yourself, I have to do this for some of my own fonts as well. Johannes -- Any recommendations for one? Is there an upgrade for Fontographer? -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press Macromedia doesn't seem to be interested in upgrading Fontographer to OS X, but I know that FontLab 4.6 can handle that pretty easily (www.fontlab.com). They also have a low-end font editor called TypeTool, which I used a lot, but version 2 doesn't seem to be able to handle OpenType font creation. Éric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2004/Panther font question
On 22.01.2004 18:24 Uhr, Éric Dussault wrote Macromedia doesn't seem to be interested in upgrading Fontographer to OS X, but I know that FontLab 4.6 can handle that pretty easily (www.fontlab.com). They also have a low-end font editor called TypeTool, which I used a lot, but version 2 doesn't seem to be able to handle OpenType font creation. I thought it did. I have used it to change some fonts to work with OS X, so if that's all you are after it should work just fine. I will check this out soon. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2004/Panther font question
On 22/01/04 12:37, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it did. I have used it to change some fonts to work with OS X, so if that's all you are after it should work just fine. I will check this out soon. Johannes I still use version 1.4 of TypeTool. I downloaded the free pdf documentation on their website and opentype is not an output format listed there. But it supports unicode and fonts with more than 256 characters, and I think it's available through one of the TrueType options. Please tell us more if you discover that version 2 can indeed convert to OpenType, I would definitely upgrade to version 2 if it does. Éric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2004/Panther font question
On 22/01/04 13:02, Éric Dussault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it did. I have used it to change some fonts to work with OS X, so if that's all you are after it should work just fine. I will check this out soon. Johannes I still use version 1.4 of TypeTool. I downloaded the free pdf documentation on their website and opentype is not an output format listed there. But it supports unicode and fonts with more than 256 characters, and I think it's available through one of the TrueType options. Please tell us more if you discover that version 2 can indeed convert to OpenType, I would definitely upgrade to version 2 if it does. Éric Dussault Here's an excerpt from TypeTool's doc : « TypeTool can only work with Unicode indexes from the basic plane (which potentially can cover 65,535 indexes). The Unicode standard is used in TrueType fonts as the main character identification method. In principle TrueType fonts may be encoded with other standards, but in Windows Unicode is always used. Until version 8.5 the Mac OS had very limited support for Unicode. Only the first 256 characters in the font could be encoded which made Unicode unusable. Since version 8.5 the Mac OS fully supports Unicode fonts in applications that need this support. The Macintosh version of TypeTool has special TrueType export option that makes possible the creation of Mac fonts that will work on both old and new operating systems. We will talk about this later, when we discuss TrueType exporting options, which are slightly different on Windows and Macintosh. » ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] FinMac2004/Panther font question
Alrighty...I have a question for the masses who are having fun with 2004 and Panther (though I'm sure folks who are using Jaguar can help too)... I've downloaded the problem and everything looks fine so far - even prints beautifully - except I have problems with two fonts: Maestro and the third-party font, November. Seems both of them aren't playing nice with my OSX. I had downloaded them into my font management program, FontAgent Pro, but deleted them out of there when this problem arrived. I then dragged them from an old backup fonts folder and put them in my account-library-fonts folder, and instead of getting [EMAIL PROTECTED], I get squaresall squares. Is this a Font Annotation problem? Feel free to contact me privately as well as through the list since I get it daily in a digest-form and wouldn't mind getting some pointers this evening. Thanks! = Rob Deemer Doctoral Candidate in Music Composition, Assistant Director, UT New Music Ensemble The University of Texas at Austin __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2004/Panther font question
Maestro and the third-party font, November. Seems both of them aren't playing nice with my OSX. I know that Finale 2004 comes with updated fonts. So don't use old backup copies. Instead, I think you should delete all old Maestro fonts which are installed in OS X folders (/Library and possibly /Users). Then re-install Finale 2004 and possibly reboot. About November, I have no idea! Squares are not a Font Annotation problem. Cheers, Tobias -- Tobias Giesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2004/Panther font question
On 22.01.2004 0:25 Uhr, Tobias Giesen wrote About November, I have no idea! It depends on the coding of the font. I suspect that November, like some of the 2k3 Finale fonts, use a font coding that is incompatible with OS X. It's not actually a big deal to update the font for OS X, but my guess is that without an update it won't work. If you have a font editor for OS X it's actually very easy to do this yourself, I have to do this for some of my own fonts as well. Probably worth contacting Klemm about an update for November. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finmac2004 lateness, continued
Of course if there were such a plug-in, that would mean that there were version compatibility, which we all know won't ever happen. Sibelius has added a new feature to version 3 that allows a file to be saved in version 2 format -- what is left out is simply the eye-candy that isn't supported in version 2. The actual music (notes, rhythms, articulations, expressions, text, layout, lyrics) remain just as they are setup in version 3, so it really has inter-version compatibility. As far as I can see, that's about the only thing worthwhile about Sibelius, though. Just thought I would mention that somebody in the music notation field is thinking kindly about its end-users. MakeMusic and veracity of statement seem to be getting harder to put together in the same sentence -- I am sure Michael Goode cringed when he saw Christopher's quote. It is statements like the one he quoted that make me realize it doesn't matter if all techsupport is shipped overseas to places where nobody speaks my language -- they don't know what the [EMAIL PROTECTED] they're talking about anyway. Recordare (the company that makes and markets the Dolet Plug-ins) and Michael Goode (Recordare's founder, I believe) have NEVER said that the Dolet plugins allow anybody to save in an earlier format. They only claim that the MusicXML will allow for far more transfer of data than using midi files allows, so there is less clean-up necessary in the earlier version. visit www.recordare.com for more details and for more accurate statements about the dolet plug-ins. d. collins wrote: Christopher BJ Smith quoted: Michael Good created a plug-in (currently available only for Windows) that will allow Finale 2004 Windows users to (among other things) save files in the file format of earlier Finale versions. This is a bit misleading, because the Dolet plug-in does not allow you to save files if the format of earlier versions of Finale. It allows you to save as XML, which you can then import into a previous version of Finale, but you loose quite a few things, beginning with your whole layout. It would be great to have a plug-in doing what Makemusic says Dolet can do. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale . -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finmac2004 lateness, continued
The way the underlying data structure is built changes with each release. So data used for one thing in an earlier version might be used for something else in a later version and something else entirely in an even later version. Not having to maintain backward compatibility makes the programmers' task a little easier because they can restructure the data to suit the new requirements without a thought as to how that will affect inter-version compatibility. I'm not saying that it is an impossibility, just that with the proven track record of Makemusic/Net4Music/Coda's version history, now that we're about up to version 10 or so and there has been absolutely NO backward compatibility, I'm not holding my breath waiting. Whether it hurts or helps Finale is an unproven and vastly debatable point, since there is no control group against which to compare data. Tobias may have SAID it would be fairly easy to write such a plug-in, but I don't see that he has done it yet, so either there isn't that much of a market for it, or it isn't as easy as he thought it might be. In any event, I don't think it will happen anytime soon, this inter-version backward compatibility. d. collins wrote: David H. Bailey écrit: Of course if there were such a plug-in, that would mean that there were version compatibility, which we all know won't ever happen. Why couldn't this happen some day? Makemusic is probably convinced that the absence of backwards compatibility will prompt users to upgrade. In many cases, it's exactly the opposite that happens: many people don't upgrade precisely their files will no longer be read by those who, for whatever reason, didn't upgrade yet. Here in France, many users prefer to wait for the French version, which takes about a year to come out. I have a friend who bought 2001 when 2003 was already out in English. So the wisest thing to do is to stick with the oldest version possible, and to be the last one to upgrade. I think Tobias said it would be fairly easy to write such a plug-in. I think this is the one feature I miss most in Fin2004. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale . -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2004 Discount
On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 07:03 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: The code entry does NOT give you a greater discount -- the price is $89.95, with or without that code. No, no, no. That's what I've been trying to tell you. Without the code, the price for the upgrade from Mac Finale *2002* to Finale 2004 is ***$139.95.*** With the code, the price is $89.95 -- the same price offered to Mac Finale 2003 users. You are right that the code doesn't make any difference to Finale 2003 users, but *I never said it did*. I cannot believe the amount of confusion this thread has caused. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston MA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2004 Discount
At 5:16 PM -0400 8/06/03, Darcy James Argue wrote: I find it a bit unfair that having bought 2003 and suffered in OS 9 as a result doesn't get me a better discount than all those 2002 users who DIDN'T pay for 2003. But, hey, it's not my company. Well, look at it this way -- the price you pay to upgrade from 2003 to 2004 is exactly the same as the price Windows users pay for the same upgrade. Your price was never going to be any less than $89.95. All Coda is doing is making an overture to those disgruntled Mac users (like me) who refused to touch FinMac2003 with a ten-foot pole because it wasn't OS X compatible. As a special exception, they are allowing us to upgrade at the same discounted price even if we skipped Fin2003. So what you are basically asking for here is not an extra discount for yourself (which isn't realistic), but that Coda give the shaft to anyone who didn't upgrade to Finale 2003. [grin] Heh heh! Not give the shaft to, but shouldn't there be at least SOME loyalty reward for having paid for 2003, over those who didn't and put no extra bucks into Coda's pocket? ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2004 Discount
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 04:48 PM, David H. Bailey wrote: I believe those who upgrade from 2002 pay a higher price -- Not if they enter the promotional code, they don't! Thanks to the list for alerting me to the code, though -- I would never have noticed otherwise. - Darcy Um... *What* promotional code? What e-mail? Nobody's told me nothin'. What gives? -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2004 Discount
The e-mail announcement I got was for Windows, so, being on Mac, I ignored and trashed it. Did any Mac users here get a Mac-oriented e-mail? I need to save money if I can and if there's a promo code that works for my situation I'd appreciate knowing about it. Richard From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Again, if you are a current Mac Fin2002 user, BE SURE TO ENTER THE PROMO CODE BEFORE YOU CHECK OUT. You will save $50! ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2004 Discount
On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 08:15 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 04:48 PM, David H. Bailey wrote: I believe those who upgrade from 2002 pay a higher price -- Not if they enter the promotional code, they don't! Thanks to the list for alerting me to the code, though -- I would never have noticed otherwise. Um... *What* promotional code? What e-mail? Nobody's told me nothin'. What gives? You have to be signed up to receive their promotional newsletters by email. Also, as has been stated before, some SPAM filters have caught this message and thrown it away before it reaches the intended recipient. Actually, even my email receipt for purchase was caught by the spam filter! Thank goodness I just have caught messages sent to my Deleted Items and not removed outright. - Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
