Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
On Dec 23, 2007 11:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reality is that Research must be free to explore and find new solutions to customer needs... Hi Rob -- The Reality is that Linux is creaming the server market, Microsoft is still dominating the desktop market. There are reasons for each, some good, some regrettable. There's nothing speculative about it. We need to leverage the technical superiority of Linux while accommodating the massive market inertia of Windows. It's pretty clear how to do that, and getting there doesn't require research, it calls for a few months of letting the technology mature. 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071224/a3775b61/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
On Dec 24, 2007 12:12 AM, Dale Sewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...the Apple Flex... Based on what we know now, an OSX-based system looks like it would suit a lot of needs very well. Throw Apple as a company into the mix, though, and the picture is not so rosy. They have a documented history of yanking the rug out from under users. And they're totally stone-faced when it comes to supporting hardware they haven't designed themselves. Two strikes. The final strike is the huge premium on secondary hardware like hard disks. Apple will be a pleasure to support for their platform. You'd be crazy to make them a cutpoint in your development plan. 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071224/49fbd7a1/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
There's nothing speculative about it. We need to leverage the technical superiority of Linux while accommodating the massive market inertia of Windows. Both Windows and Linux are essentially 1980's technology operating systems, with little to differentiate them at the level of base architecture. Calling Linux technically superior to Windows is capricious, inflammatory, and not technically correct. de Peter K1PGV ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
On Dec 24, 2007 9:09 AM, Peter G. Viscarola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calling Linux technically superior to Windows is capricious, inflammatory, and not technically correct. I'm afraid you're simply wrong about this, but this is neither the time nor the place to discuss it. Happy Holidays. 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071224/8949b272/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
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Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
This is a non-winnable classic Ford / Chevy debate. You can make equally valid points for each OS depending on your perspective, experience, needs, wants, comfort factor and business concerns. Both are tools. You shouldn't drive nails with a hoe. The problem with most operating systems is that none are the ideal hammer. So one man's hoe is not necessarily another man's hammer. I like the fact that we are addressing the new software paradigm with a tool chest and not a single tool. Everyone have a Merry Christmas, a Happy Hanukah, a Bodacious Bodhi Day, an Enjoyable Eid al-Adha, a Killer Kwanzaa, a Lavish Las Posadas, a scintillating Santa Lucia Day and peace on earth to all. -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Brickle Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 9:48 AM To: Peter G. Viscarola Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities On Dec 24, 2007 9:09 AM, Peter G. Viscarola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calling Linux technically superior to Windows is capricious, inflammatory, and not technically correct. I'm afraid you're simply wrong about this, but this is neither the time nor the place to discuss it. Happy Holidays. 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071224/8949b272/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
Quoting Peter G. Viscarola [EMAIL PROTECTED], on Mon 24 Dec 2007
06:09:58 AM PST:
There's nothing speculative about it. We need to leverage the technical
superiority of Linux while accommodating the massive market inertia of
Windows.
Both Windows and Linux are essentially 1980's technology operating
systems, with little to differentiate them at the level of base
architecture.
Calling Linux technically superior to Windows is capricious,
inflammatory, and not technically correct.
I concur...
It's more a difference in development and distribution philosophy.
Under the hood the kernels work in fairly similar ways (interrupts,
drivers, preemptive scheduling, etc.) The differences are largely in
the user interaction layer.. Windows is fairly user event driven..
which process fields that mouse click, although in the server world,
it's somewhat less so. I'd say that since the original WinNT kernel
displaced the older DOS CP/M single thread model it's been pretty
conventional multi task operating system. A file system, a scheduler,
some form of memory pool management, virtual memory/swap files,
loadable device drivers, etc.
Often, too, folks sort of congeal all of Windows, including the
applications, into one conceptual bundle. One should not tar the
underlying kernel and OS with the sins of PowerPoint, for instance.
{And yes, there's no question that MS actively seeks to cram
applications stuff into the OS.. embrace and extend and all that.. but
at least for the last few years, it's been pretty well partitioned
into user space, and is configure-out-able..}
Windows also bundles a whole raft of (non-kernel) stuff together and
encourages the use of it in applications (i.e. DDE, OLE, etc,
Microsoft Foundation Classes, the GDI API, .NET these days, etc.). In
the *nix world, the tendency is to keep all the bits and pieces
separate, and let the developer figure out which pieces to keep and
which to discard.
They BOTH have all sorts of configuration management problems (.dll
hell for Win, glibc versions, etc. in Linux), most of which are
addressed by some subsequent packaging tools (make autoconf?)
Therefore, you can probably build a smaller Linux image, because it
does provide the ability to strip out big chunks, while Windows,
targeting a more mass distribution market, tends to take a the masses
will mostly need all this, so lets keep it one big hunk approach.
And, there's a whole horses for courses thing. Windows is clearly
targeting the consumer media market, and to go there, they need fairly
robust digital rights management, something that the Linux user world
is not clamoring for.
WIndows (obviously) is doing a halfway decent job targeting their
market. Linux likewise. Neither is going away any time soon.
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Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
For what it is worth,
I LIKE VMS
Merry Xmass Happy 2008
(Hoping to get the 5000 back from service soon)
73 peter pa0pvn
groeten Peter
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only large files:pa0pvn-at-gmail-com
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and those who count to 11.
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Onderwerp: Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
Quoting Peter G. Viscarola [EMAIL PROTECTED], on Mon 24 Dec 2007
06:09:58 AM PST:
There's nothing speculative about it. We need to leverage the technical
superiority of Linux while accommodating the massive market inertia of
Windows.
Both Windows and Linux are essentially 1980's technology operating
systems, with little to differentiate them at the level of base
architecture.
Calling Linux technically superior to Windows is capricious,
inflammatory, and not technically correct.
I concur...
It's more a difference in development and distribution philosophy.
Under the hood the kernels work in fairly similar ways (interrupts,
drivers, preemptive scheduling, etc.) The differences are largely in
the user interaction layer.. Windows is fairly user event driven..
which process fields that mouse click, although in the server world,
it's somewhat less so. I'd say that since the original WinNT kernel
displaced the older DOS CP/M single thread model it's been pretty
conventional multi task operating system. A file system, a scheduler,
some form of memory pool management, virtual memory/swap files,
loadable device drivers, etc.
Often, too, folks sort of congeal all of Windows, including the
applications, into one conceptual bundle. One should not tar the
underlying kernel and OS with the sins of PowerPoint, for instance.
{And yes, there's no question that MS actively seeks to cram
applications stuff into the OS.. embrace and extend and all that.. but
at least for the last few years, it's been pretty well partitioned
into user space, and is configure-out-able..}
Windows also bundles a whole raft of (non-kernel) stuff together and
encourages the use of it in applications (i.e. DDE, OLE, etc,
Microsoft Foundation Classes, the GDI API, .NET these days, etc.). In
the *nix world, the tendency is to keep all the bits and pieces
separate, and let the developer figure out which pieces to keep and
which to discard.
They BOTH have all sorts of configuration management problems (.dll
hell for Win, glibc versions, etc. in Linux), most of which are
addressed by some subsequent packaging tools (make autoconf?)
Therefore, you can probably build a smaller Linux image, because it
does provide the ability to strip out big chunks, while Windows,
targeting a more mass distribution market, tends to take a the masses
will mostly need all this, so lets keep it one big hunk approach.
And, there's a whole horses for courses thing. Windows is clearly
targeting the consumer media market, and to go there, they need fairly
robust digital rights management, something that the Linux user world
is not clamoring for.
WIndows (obviously) is doing a halfway decent job targeting their
market. Linux likewise. Neither is going away any time soon.
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Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
Alan, You have done nothing wrong. You will not always get the Found new hardware message. Particularly if the device driver is already registered with Windows. The FLEX-5000 hardware is registered as a sound device under Windows. Windows wouldn't know a radio if it jumped up and slapped Billy G. in the face. (which is one of the many reasons why the next version of the software will not have Windows as the primary OS for running the radio) There is a new SVN version of PowerSDR that corrects the annoyance message PowerSDR has stopped working you get under Vista. The correction will be in the next production release of PowerSDR slated for sometime near the first of the year. -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Johnson Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 1:05 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities I finally got around to setting up my 5000A yesterday and noticed the following: 1) After installing the driver, Vista didn't give the Found new hardware box after reboot and powering on the transceiver. 2) After the above, Device Manager showed the Flex installed under Sound, video and and game controllers and as working normally with the correct driver version number. I expected it to be under Radio Receivers. 3)After installing PowerSDR, once I stop the receiver and close the program, I get PowerSDR has stopped working I'm using 32 bit Vista Home Premium on a C2D 6700 machine. Despite the above, everything seems to be working correctly, but I wonder if I did something wrong. Thanks for the handholding, 73, Alan Johnson N4LUS -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/b6f90266/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
On Dec 23, 2007 1:36 PM, Tim Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...one of the many reasons why the next version of the software will not have Windows as the primary OS for running the radio... Lest anyone read this and have heart failure, notice he said *primary*. PowerSDR/Windows absolutely *will* be supported in the future. Many innovative features of the new virtual radio design will require more OS support than Windows can provide, however. In short: PowerSDR/WIndows lives on. It's not the whole picture, though. 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/601847cf/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
On 12/23/07 01:36 pm Tim Ellison wrote: You will not always get the Found new hardware message. Particularly if the device driver is already registered with Windows. The FLEX-5000 hardware is registered as a sound device under Windows. Windows wouldn't know a radio if it jumped up and slapped Billy G. in the face. (which is one of the many reasons why the next version of the software will not have Windows as the primary OS for running the radio) You mean I'll be able to dump Windozzze and use Linux on my shack computer!? How about being able to compile the source code for The OS for which Windows was merely a placeholder (= IBM's OS/2, still alive, -- despite IBM's best efforts -- well, and ever improving -- thanks in no small part to dedicated programmers in Russia and Ukraine -- at www.ecomstation.com)? 73 Alan NV8A ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
How many OS zombies exist in this world? I had no idea that OS/2 (with enough forks stuck in it to feed the army) was still wandering around! Neal Campbell K3NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM:nealk3nc telnet to our DX Spotting clusters at: dxc.k3nc.com, ports 12001 and 23 Devoted to Dogs: How to be your dog's best owner Great Dog Book at www.abrohamneal.com On Dec 23, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Alan NV8A wrote: On 12/23/07 01:36 pm Tim Ellison wrote: You will not always get the Found new hardware message. Particularly if the device driver is already registered with Windows. The FLEX-5000 hardware is registered as a sound device under Windows. Windows wouldn't know a radio if it jumped up and slapped Billy G. in the face. (which is one of the many reasons why the next version of the software will not have Windows as the primary OS for running the radio) You mean I'll be able to dump Windozzze and use Linux on my shack computer!? How about being able to compile the source code for The OS for which Windows was merely a placeholder (= IBM's OS/2, still alive, -- despite IBM's best efforts -- well, and ever improving -- thanks in no small part to dedicated programmers in Russia and Ukraine -- at www.ecomstation.com)? 73 Alan NV8A ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
Alan NV8A wrote: On 12/23/07 01:36 pm Tim Ellison wrote: You will not always get the Found new hardware message. Particularly if the device driver is already registered with Windows. The FLEX-5000 hardware is registered as a sound device under Windows. Windows wouldn't know a radio if it jumped up and slapped Billy G. in the face. (which is one of the many reasons why the next version of the software will not have Windows as the primary OS for running the radio) You mean I'll be able to dump Windozzze and use Linux on my shack computer!? How about being able to compile the source code for The OS for which Windows was merely a placeholder (= IBM's OS/2, still alive, -- despite IBM's best efforts -- well, and ever improving -- thanks in no small part to dedicated programmers in Russia and Ukraine -- at www.ecomstation.com)? 73 Alan NV8A That is the goal and using parallels or bootcamp on OSX or KVM/QEMU on Linux will get you the windows support needed for legacy applications. You will regret not having a Core 2 processor if you intend running Windows on KVM on Linux. My Linux machine running Windows XP SP2 under KVM/QEMU and using VS 2003 compiles powersdr faster than my P4 HT running XP! Alas, there is no serious IO MMU hardware yet so things like firewire and usb are not or poorly supported respectively. The device cannot magically appear in KVM/QEMU in the right place and owned by the guest yet. But it is clear, this is coming. Soon, we will not be having this argument. You will seamlessly run whatever you want to WITHOUT having to dual or even triple boot. But full and complete support of what is coming down the road many moons out will require an eventual migration of some of the work to a Linux machine. Just not tomorrow or next month. Bob -- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair “An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?” Descartes ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
Hello Bob I can wait till May. Happy holidays to you Flexers! José F5JD Le dimanche 23 décembre 2007 à 15:58 -0500, Robert McGwier a écrit : Alan NV8A wrote: On 12/23/07 01:36 pm Tim Ellison wrote: You will not always get the Found new hardware message. Particularly if the device driver is already registered with Windows. The FLEX-5000 hardware is registered as a sound device under Windows. Windows wouldn't know a radio if it jumped up and slapped Billy G. in the face. (which is one of the many reasons why the next version of the software will not have Windows as the primary OS for running the radio) You mean I'll be able to dump Windozzze and use Linux on my shack computer!? How about being able to compile the source code for The OS for which Windows was merely a placeholder (= IBM's OS/2, still alive, -- despite IBM's best efforts -- well, and ever improving -- thanks in no small part to dedicated programmers in Russia and Ukraine -- at www.ecomstation.com)? 73 Alan NV8A That is the goal and using parallels or bootcamp on OSX or KVM/QEMU on Linux will get you the windows support needed for legacy applications. You will regret not having a Core 2 processor if you intend running Windows on KVM on Linux. My Linux machine running Windows XP SP2 under KVM/QEMU and using VS 2003 compiles powersdr faster than my P4 HT running XP! Alas, there is no serious IO MMU hardware yet so things like firewire and usb are not or poorly supported respectively. The device cannot magically appear in KVM/QEMU in the right place and owned by the guest yet. But it is clear, this is coming. Soon, we will not be having this argument. You will seamlessly run whatever you want to WITHOUT having to dual or even triple boot. But full and complete support of what is coming down the road many moons out will require an eventual migration of some of the work to a Linux machine. Just not tomorrow or next month. Bob ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
Hi Robert, Sigh... Well belive it or not before Andy Grove and Bill Noyce put a time line on Grosch's Law, parallel processing was a big deal. Figuring out how to efficiently make use of parallel processors was an equally big or bigger deal. Eventually a guy named R. L. Denniston began to emerge as a primary disciple of functional programing which does appear be the best way to efficiently use MIMD architectures. Interestingly, just as functional programming was gaining steam, the Intel crowd put Grosch's law on a three year time line. Parallel processing and functional programming became a academic issue. Now with little fanfare the three year version of Grosch's aphorism has hit the wall. Once the blood and dust of the collision settled, guess what? The parallel processing and functional programming phoenix rose from it's ashes. I've lived to long! Yes functional programing is the best solution to programming MIMD architectures. And yes, unless someone figures out how to implement the general form of Maxwell's equations in ECAD, Microsoft will develop Functional C# or what ever they choose to call it. To go with Functional C they will develop Functional Windows. This will come sooner than later. Yes it's fun to play with Linux and Erlang. Yes L E will provide a lot of understanding for the inevitable programming of PowerSDR in Functional C for Functional Windows. In the mean time please for the sake of us FlexRadio supports don't get confused about the end result. Also, please don't start a lot of rumors which might limit a budding market. Sincerely vy 73's Rob AB7CF On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:58:29 -0500 Robert McGwier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alan NV8A wrote: On 12/23/07 01:36 pm Tim Ellison wrote: You will not always get the Found new hardware message. Particularly if the device driver is already registered with Windows. The FLEX-5000 hardware is registered as a sound device under Windows. Windows wouldn't know a radio if it jumped up and slapped Billy G. in the face. (which is one of the many reasons why the next version of the software will not have Windows as the primary OS for running the radio) You mean I'll be able to dump Windozzze and use Linux on my shack computer!? How about being able to compile the source code for The OS for which Windows was merely a placeholder (= IBM's OS/2, still alive, -- despite IBM's best efforts -- well, and ever improving -- thanks in no small part to dedicated programmers in Russia and Ukraine -- at www.ecomstation.com)? 73 Alan NV8A That is the goal and using parallels or bootcamp on OSX or KVM/QEMU on Linux will get you the windows support needed for legacy applications. You will regret not having a Core 2 processor if you intend running Windows on KVM on Linux. My Linux machine running Windows XP SP2 under KVM/QEMU and using VS 2003 compiles powersdr faster than my P4 HT running XP! Alas, there is no serious IO MMU hardware yet so things like firewire and usb are not or poorly supported respectively. The device cannot magically appear in KVM/QEMU in the right place and owned by the guest yet. But it is clear, this is coming. Soon, we will not be having this argument. You will seamlessly run whatever you want to WITHOUT having to dual or even triple boot. But full and complete support of what is coming down the road many moons out will require an eventual migration of some of the work to a Linux machine. Just not tomorrow or next month. Bob -- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out? Descartes ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
On Dec 23, 2007 5:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will come sooner than later. Yes it's fun to play with Linux and Erlang. Yes L E will provide a lot of understanding for the inevitable programming of PowerSDR in Functional C for Functional Windows. In the mean time please for the sake of us FlexRadio supports don't get confused about the end result. Also, please don't start a lot of rumors which might limit a budding market. Is there a reality-based point in here somewhere? 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/d975c1d5/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
On Sunday 23 December 2007 04:24:57 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... inevitable programming of PowerSDR in Functional C for Functional Windows. Also, please don't start a lot of rumors ... That was funny - Thanks! Kent/KX5KW ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
Hi Frank, Reality is that Research must be free to explore and find new solutions to customer needs. Production development must sustain the business based on return on investment. Successful Corporations some how find a way to balance the two. Passing a solution from research to development is like transferring a sailor from one ship to another in a hurricane. The obvious solution is to make the research solution the production development solution. An ideal seldom achievable. Each must have a different balance between freedom and responsibility. Based on it's business model, each Corperation must find it's own RD model. FlexRadio is very unique in that it has a unique and free cadre of research and development folk to draw on. How far this model can be pushed, time will tell. The volunteers that like to work on the bleeding edge are like scouts. They like to live dangerously. Scouts are fascinated by Linux and Erlang. They are researchers. Explorers follow behind the scouts and clear the wilderness, put up cabins and occasionally fight indians. They are developers. These guys will convert Linux and Erlang to what ever provides the biggest ROI. Settlers are appliance customers and folks with profit and loss responsibility. If Flex is to be sustained as a viable (even if non profit) organization then it will need appliance customers. They are the bulk of a small market. If your business model is based on the 5000C style then details such as language and OS are hidden from the user, choices can be made on one set of parameters mainly performance and functionality with ease of maintenance/reliability thrown in. Do research in Linux and Erlang. Do development in Linux and Erlang. ( Don't forget if one day Erlang isn't supported the development must be done again.) If your business model is based on the 5000A style then you don't want language and OS to be a limiting factor for a customer making a purchase. Do research in Linux and Erlang. Do development in Functional C and Functional Windows or what ever M$ creates. If you business style is a mix of styles then the A style rules. Likely can't afford to carry two implementations. Because some of the flexers are scouts and explorers, you will have some customers who will always want to run a Linux/Erlang (research) version. This would be terrific. I think a very public involved research program suits Flexradio's SW world. As Flexradio succeeds, I'm not sure of the publics roll is in production SW development. My guess production SW development will have a paid professional core supported by volunteers. Well, best I can do Frank and probably too wordy. To paraphrase Mark Twain, If I'd only had more time... Flex of course will have to find it's own way. I only hope I can add a bit of my experience along the way. I for one, am sure Flex will succeed and will help any way I can. vy 73's Rob AB7CF On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:08:31 -0500 Frank Brickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Dec 23, 2007 5:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will come sooner than later. Yes it's fun to play with Linux and Erlang. Yes L E will provide a lot of understanding for the inevitable programming of PowerSDR in Functional C for Functional Windows. In the mean time please for the sake of us FlexRadio supports don't get confused about the end result. Also, please don't start a lot of rumors which might limit a budding market. Is there a reality-based point in here somewhere? 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071223/44526c7a/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
Quoting KX5KW [EMAIL PROTECTED], on Sun 23 Dec 2007 06:19:09 PM PST: On Sunday 23 December 2007 04:24:57 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... inevitable programming of PowerSDR in Functional C for Functional Windows. Also, please don't start a lot of rumors ... That was funny - Thanks! Kent/KX5KW Ahem.. Functional VISUAL C (or maybe Visual Functional C)... Merry holidays, etc. 'rmk ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities
As a customer and basically an appliance operator, I think that the great appeal of the Flex radios is a break away from the status quo of boxed, this is it radios. Having made that great understatement, that is what starts the consumer, Joe Ham, into the I must have this mentality that pulls us away from everything and into the new world of SDR. For most of us who have lived with MS since the 80s, we are in that transitional phase of selecting the computer to operate a 5000A to give us the greatest control and freedom with the radio and to deal with the awkward Microsoft movement from XP to Vista. In my case, right or wrong, I selected a Vista machine in the form of a Sony Dual Core 2.2 gig processor and 2 gig RAM, dedicating the machine primarily for running the Flex. All the Telpac, Airmail, Office tasks on other machines. Once the Flex Radio turns into it's own computer and interface then it's a high quality radio like the others that can be upgraded. As Rob says, most of us enjoy a little different journey. With all the hair pulling, messaging, and experimenting, it's the toy of my ham career and I'm loving my 5000A. So far it's been relatively smooth sailing and mega fun. Most of my snags have been with the computer, which has always been the case in computer driven ham radio. Nothing new about that and I love that challenge. As far as the Apple Flex and the Unix Flex, etc...I cannot comment. I could go off on a rant about the PC and about Microsoft all day and it wouldn't change the world. I started saying the Serenity Prayer about 4 years ago and it's helped a great deal. I am just enjoying the fact that the Flex5000A gives the end use the options of computer hardware, PowerSDR version, settings to work with the computer, screen size to fit price/needs, and personal preferences in all areas. This is the system of the future as generic radios become a thing of the past. 73, Dale W4NBF - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Vista Installation Oddities Hi Frank, Reality is that Research must be free to explore and find new solutions to customer needs. Production development must sustain the business based on return on investment. Successful Corporations some how find a way to balance the two. Passing a solution from research to development is like transferring a sailor from one ship to another in a hurricane. The obvious solution is to make the research solution the production development solution. An ideal seldom achievable. Each must have a different balance between freedom and responsibility. Based on it's business model, each Corperation must find it's own RD model. FlexRadio is very unique in that it has a unique and free cadre of research and development folk to draw on. How far this model can be pushed, time will tell. The volunteers that like to work on the bleeding edge are like scouts. They like to live dangerously. Scouts are fascinated by Linux and Erlang. They are researchers. Explorers follow behind the scouts and clear the wilderness, put up cabins and occasionally fight indians. They are developers. These guys will convert Linux and Erlang to what ever provides the biggest ROI. Settlers are appliance customers and folks with profit and loss responsibility. If Flex is to be sustained as a viable (even if non profit) organization then it will need appliance customers. They are the bulk of a small market. If your business model is based on the 5000C style then details such as language and OS are hidden from the user, choices can be made on one set of parameters mainly performance and functionality with ease of maintenance/reliability thrown in. Do research in Linux and Erlang. Do development in Linux and Erlang. ( Don't forget if one day Erlang isn't supported the development must be done again.) If your business model is based on the 5000A style then you don't want language and OS to be a limiting factor for a customer making a purchase. Do research in Linux and Erlang. Do development in Functional C and Functional Windows or what ever M$ creates. If you business style is a mix of styles then the A style rules. Likely can't afford to carry two implementations. Because some of the flexers are scouts and explorers, you will have some customers who will always want to run a Linux/Erlang (research) version. This would be terrific. I think a very public involved research program suits Flexradio's SW world. As Flexradio succeeds, I'm not sure of the publics roll is in production SW development. My guess production SW development will have a paid professional core supported by volunteers. Well, best I can do Frank and probably too wordy. To paraphrase Mark Twain, If I'd only had more time... Flex of course will have
