Fwd: FLUXLIST: Nothing and then some .......
nice photos! Begin forwarded message: From: Ray Noman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: May 2, 2004 5:27:37 AM EDT To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com, Bron Fionnachd-Fein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing and then some ... Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com OMG ... Went to DOGPILE – and I was under the illusion that there was only Google so I’m learning something – and found this: “We start, then, with nothing, pure zero. But this is not the nothing of negation. For not means other than, and other is merely a synonym of the ordinal numeral second. As such it implies a first; while the present pure zero is prior to every first. The nothing of negation is the nothing of death, which comes second to, or after, everything. But this pure zero is the nothing of not having been born. There is no individual thing, no compulsion, outward nor inward, no law. It is the germinal nothing, in which the whole universe is involved or foreshadowed. As such, it is absolutely undefined and unlimited possibility -- boundless possibility. There is no compulsion and no law. It is boundless freedom.” Charles S. Peirce, Logic of Events (1898) Then I did a random Google image search and found these: ? http://www.ae.gatech.edu/research/controls/pictures/f020801_gtar/ More%20of%20Nothing.JPG ? http://www.bangmoney.org/travel/ga_to_ca_move/grfx/folder1/ nothing.jpg All of which kind of suggests that there is quite a bit to nothing and it also seems that’s been know for some time. So I think DA’s explanation – 42 – is more comprehendible albeit that all this is quite interesting. Ray _from way out on the edge eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (when the server’s up) BTW ... I did get the JPEG! On 2/5/04 5:22 PM, michael leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Ooops! It seems one cannot send jpegs or even html via the Fluxlist so you did not get to see the diagram of nothing which seems very fitting under the circumstances - sending nothing and finding out nothing never arrived! But if you are keen to see a diagram of nothing I suggest you go to DOGPILE and type in nothing and several thousand images of nothing pop up - one of which is the diagram of nothing in a discourse about the beginning of the universe. All the best, Michael - Ray Noman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is all quite ZENzing if not FLUXUS and I1m contemplating using that scientific drawing/diagram for a logo for something Zz. BUT, I also think that in the end this discourse about nothingness, or somethingness, or whatever, well maybe Douglas Adams probably had an (the?) answer which I struggle to recall . Was it ‘421 or is it now another number like ‘01 or ‘11 or a whole string of 0s 1s? Somethingness is just so hard to avoid, and as for nothingness, well it is equally difficult to embrace. Then again, when I didn1t go to the meeting it was quite OK doing nothing rather than something instead. Quite silly really! Ray _from way out on the edge eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (when the server1s up) Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing and then some .......
--Ooops! It seems one cannot send jpegs or even html via the Fluxlist so you did not get to see the diagram of nothing which seems very fitting under the circumstances - sending nothing and finding out nothing never arrived! But if you are keen to see a diagram of nothing I suggest you go to DOGPILE and type in nothing and several thousand images of nothing pop up - one of which is the diagram of nothing in a discourse about the beginning of the universe. All the best, Michael - Ray Noman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is all quite ZENzing if not FLUXUS and I1m contemplating using that scientific drawing/diagram for a logo for something Zz. BUT, I also think that in the end this discourse about nothingness, or somethingness, or whatever, well maybe Douglas Adams probably had an (the?) answer which I struggle to recall . Was it 421 or is it now another number like 01 or 11 or a whole string of 0s 1s? Somethingness is just so hard to avoid, and as for nothingness, well it is equally difficult to embrace. Then again, when I didn1t go to the meeting it was quite OK doing nothing rather than something instead. Quite silly really! Ray _from way out on the edge eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (when the server1s up) Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing and then some .......
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing and then some ... OMG ... Went to DOGPILE and I was under the illusion that there was only Google so Im learning something and found this: We start, then, with nothing, pure zero. But this is not the nothing of negation. For not means other than, and other is merely a synonym of the ordinal numeral second. As such it implies a first; while the present pure zero is prior to every first. The nothing of negation is the nothing of death, which comes second to, or after, everything. But this pure zero is the nothing of not having been born. There is no individual thing, no compulsion, outward nor inward, no law. It is the germinal nothing, in which the whole universe is involved or foreshadowed. As such, it is absolutely undefined and unlimited possibility -- boundless possibility. There is no compulsion and no law. It is boundless freedom. Charles S. Peirce, Logic of Events (1898) Then I did a random Google image search and found these: ? http://www.ae.gatech.edu/research/controls/pictures/f020801_gtar/More%20of%20Nothing.JPG ? http://www.bangmoney.org/travel/ga_to_ca_move/grfx/folder1/nothing.jpg All of which kind of suggests that there is quite a bit to nothing and it also seems thats been know for some time. So I think DAs explanation 42 is more comprehendible albeit that all this is quite interesting. Ray _from way out on the edge eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (when the servers up) BTW ... I did get the JPEG! On 2/5/04 5:22 PM, michael leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Ooops! It seems one cannot send jpegs or even html via the Fluxlist so you did not get to see the diagram of nothing which seems very fitting under the circumstances - sending nothing and finding out nothing never arrived! But if you are keen to see a diagram of nothing I suggest you go to DOGPILE and type in nothing and several thousand images of nothing pop up - one of which is the diagram of nothing in a discourse about the beginning of the universe. All the best, Michael - Ray Noman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is all quite ZENzing if not FLUXUS and I1m contemplating using that scientific drawing/diagram for a logo for something Zz. BUT, I also think that in the end this discourse about nothingness, or somethingness, or whatever, well maybe Douglas Adams probably had an (the?) answer which I struggle to recall . Was it 421 or is it now another number like 01 or 11 or a whole string of 0s 1s? Somethingness is just so hard to avoid, and as for nothingness, well it is equally difficult to embrace. Then again, when I didn1t go to the meeting it was quite OK doing nothing rather than something instead. Quite silly really! Ray _from way out on the edge eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (when the server1s up) Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
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There are dozens of search engines. I ddon't really understand why Google is so highly regarded as I've always found it to be lacking. Ask Jeeves is far superior for general enquiries and Dogpile is great for finding images and sound files. Michael --- Ray Noman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG ... Went to DOGPILE - and I was under the illusion that there was only Google so I1m learning something - and found this: 3We start, then, with nothing, pure zero. But this is not the nothing of negation. For not means other than, and other is merely a synonym of the ordinal numeral second. As such it implies a first; while the present pure zero is prior to every first. The nothing of negation is the nothing of death, which comes second to, or after, everything. But this pure zero is the nothing of not having been born. There is no individual thing, no compulsion, outward nor inward, no law. It is the germinal nothing, in which the whole universe is involved or foreshadowed. As such, it is absolutely undefined and unlimited possibility -- boundless possibility. There is no compulsion and no law. It is boundless freedom.2 Charles S. Peirce, Logic of Events (1898) Then I did a random Google image search and found these: http://www.ae.gatech.edu/research/controls/pictures/f020801_gtar/More%20of% 20Nothing.JPG http://www.bangmoney.org/travel/ga_to_ca_move/grfx/folder1/nothing.jpg All of which kind of suggests that there is quite a bit to nothing and it also seems that1s been know for some time. So I think DA1s explanation - 42 - is more comprehendible albeit that all this is quite interesting. Ray _from way out on the edge eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (when the server1s up) BTW ... I did get the JPEG! On 2/5/04 5:22 PM, michael leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Ooops! It seems one cannot send jpegs or even html via the Fluxlist so you did not get to see the diagram of nothing which seems very fitting under the circumstances - sending nothing and finding out nothing never arrived! But if you are keen to see a diagram of nothing I suggest you go to DOGPILE and type in nothing and several thousand images of nothing pop up - one of which is the diagram of nothing in a discourse about the beginning of the universe. All the best, Michael - Ray Noman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is all quite ZENzing if not FLUXUS and I1m contemplating using that scientific drawing/diagram for a logo for something Zz. BUT, I also think that in the end this discourse about nothingness, or somethingness, or whatever, well maybe Douglas Adams probably had an (the?) answer which I struggle to recall . Was it 421 or is it now another number like 01 or 11 or a whole string of 0s 1s? Somethingness is just so hard to avoid, and as for nothingness, well it is equally difficult to embrace. Then again, when I didn1t go to the meeting it was quite OK doing nothing rather than something instead. Quite silly really! Ray _from way out on the edge eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (when the server1s up) Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing and then some .......
In a message dated 5/1/04 9:00:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the reasons we advocate being familiar with the work of the original Fluxus artists is recognizing when new works are related to or similar to old ones Didnt Ray Johnson have Nothings as a counterpoint to Happenings which were going on in the sixties NewYork art scene?
Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing and then some .......
In a message dated 5/2/04 12:24:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --Ooops! It seems one cannot send jpegs or even html via the Fluxlist so you did not get to see the diagram of "nothing" I got your picture--its only if you subscribe to the digest WHICH I DONT RECOMMEND!!! that you won't get pictures. Also one can subscribe to both digest and individual emails--fyi
Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing and then some .......
In a message dated 5/2/04 2:22:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We start, then, with nothing, pure zero. But this is not the nothing of negation. For not means other than, and other is merely a synonym of the ordinal numeral second. As such it implies a first; while the present pure zero is prior to every first. The nothing of negation is the nothing of death, which comes second to, or after, everything. But this pure zero is the nothing of not having been born. There is no individual thing, no compulsion, outward nor inward, no law. It is the germinal nothing, in which the whole universe is involved or foreshadowed. As such, it is absolutely undefined and unlimited possibility -- boundless possibility. There is no compulsion and no law. It is boundless freedom. Charles S. Peirce, "Logic of Events" (1898) if you really want to get creepy you might read the Sun of Wisdom -the teachings of Nonle Nagarjuna. The premise is that we do not exist because non-existence is something...well you have to read the book.
FLUXLIST: Nothing and then some .......
Dear Fluxfriends, One of the reasons we advocate being familiar with the work of the original Fluxus artists is recognizing when new works are related to or similar to old ones. While this piece takes a new twist, it resembles an existing work by Ken Friedman that announces the appearance of an artist who does not show up. Secret Fluxus Alain Lefebvre How to do nothing: 1)Establish the time and the place of the thing or activity which you feel most compelled or necessary to do. (Example; Going to the bathroom.) 2)When the time comes for you to be in that place don't show up or go elsewhere. nbsp;(You will be doing nothing.) _ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
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-Further to the debate on NOTHING. I typed in NOTHING at Ask Jeeves and 37,050,000 links to nothings came up! For instance , it's possible to buy NOTHING on E-Bay and there is a NOTHING Records company, where I presume they have vinyl chock full of NOTHING! Michael secret fluxus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fluxfriends, One of the reasons we advocate being familiar with the work of the original Fluxus artists is recognizing when new works are related to or similar to old ones. While this piece takes a new twist, it resembles an existing work by Ken Friedman that announces the appearance of an artist who does not show up. Secret Fluxus Alain Lefebvre How to do nothing: 1)Establish the time and the place of the thing or activity which you feel most compelled or necessary to do. (Example; Going to the bathroom.) 2)When the time comes for you to be in that place don't show up or go elsewhere. nbsp;(You will be doing nothing.) _ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
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once made a collage based on a Ball Pen ad which read; Nothing rolls like a Ball--gave it to Jeffrey and Dan Green of the Butterflies of Love, they have since metamorphed into something else and are rumored to be in England--no google brought it up--anyone ever hear of these chappies? anyway--ever since I have absolutely loved nothing. - Original Message - From: michael leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing and then some ... -Further to the debate on NOTHING. I typed in NOTHING at Ask Jeeves and 37,050,000 links to nothings came up! For instance , it's possible to buy NOTHING on E-Bay and there is a NOTHING Records company, where I presume they have vinyl chock full of NOTHING! Michael secret fluxus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fluxfriends, One of the reasons we advocate being familiar with the work of the original Fluxus artists is recognizing when new works are related to or similar to old ones. While this piece takes a new twist, it resembles an existing work by Ken Friedman that announces the appearance of an artist who does not show up. Secret Fluxus Alain Lefebvre How to do nothing: 1)Establish the time and the place of the thing or activity which you feel most compelled or necessary to do. (Example; Going to the bathroom.) 2)When the time comes for you to be in that place don't show up or go elsewhere. nbsp;(You will be doing nothing.) _ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
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Hey I searched through DOGPILE and found this drawing of nothing by a scientist! It's supposed to be the universe before the BIG BANG. Seems it was a squiggly line that went round in a sort of amorphous blob shape. Scientists are ALWAYS right so this is what NOTHING looks like. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is. Michael Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
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Sorry, I forgot the jpeg file. here it is. Michael Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.htmlinline: nothing.jpg
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rien rien how it turns on you and is something again by Madawg
Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing and then some .......
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Nothing and then some ... I think this is all quite ZENzing if not FLUXUS and Im contemplating using that scientific drawing/diagram for a logo for something Zz. BUT, I also think that in the end this discourse about nothingness, or somethingness, or whatever, well maybe Douglas Adams probably had an (the?) answer which I struggle to recall . Was it 42 or is it now another number like 0 or 1 or a whole string of 0s 1s? Somethingness is just so hard to avoid, and as for nothingness, well it is equally difficult to embrace. Then again, when I didnt go to the meeting it was quite OK doing nothing rather than something instead. Quite silly really! Ray _from way out on the edge eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (when the servers up)
