Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:34 PM Joao Silva wrote: > > I'm from Portugal and here a ssd are around 39.67 us dollars / 34 euros for > 240gb, and i don't know if there are lower sizes anymore... still expensive. That's about what I'd expect to pay in the US for a 240GB SSD, depending upon brand. But "expensive: is relative. Prices on such things have been steadily falling. About a year ago, a chap elsewhere recounted upgrading a server he managed. It was a database machine running a "NoSQL" database like MongoDB. He replaced 16TB of SATA HDs with 16TB worth of 2TB Samsung SSDs. He got a quantum increase in performance. The machine *screamed* through queries and updates. The significant bit for me was that prices had dropped enough that he could *afford* to do that upgrade. Two years ago he wouldn't have been able to afford it, but poces fell a lot, and still are.. > To install 2 OS, i would go with Windows 95 SE or 98 SE to copy files (games > for me), i don't know but i'm sure that freedos will read pen drives as long > they are plugged in before booting. Linux is quite capable of doing the copies. You *dn't* need Win95 or 98 SE just for that. You will need a FAT file system to install them to, which is why I suggested partitioning, but Linux and read and write FAT file systems and place stuff on them. > Linux would do, but has you said, had to be a very low resources. Lubuntu using Lxde, or Xubuntu using XFCE is one option. Another is something like TinyCore Linux. > The idea was for freedos to be the main OS, but i will take in mind your > recommendation. If you can get it working and all that is needed is FreeDOS, fine. But having an actual Linux distro installed gives you the option of doing things that *can't* be done with FreeDOS. __ Dennis > João > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:17 AM dmccunney wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 6:15 PM Joao Silva wrote: >> > >> > I have a eeepc laptop originally came with windows xp and i switched to >> > windows 10 N, but sadly is too slow... turtle mode. >> >> Win10 needs 4GB RAM *minimum*. The sweet spot is 6GB. No surprise >> performance was poor. >> >> > I was thinking of installing Linux Xubuntu for it's low resources. >> >> I did that on an ancient notebook that had a whopping *256MB* RAM. >> Xubuntu would install, but performance left a lot to be desired. >> Posters on the Ubuntu list said Ubuntu had a steadily increasing idea >> of what "low end" was, and that too much Gnome had crept into XFCE. >> What I wound up doing was following their suggestions and installing >> from the Linux Minimal CD. That gave me a working command line Linux >> installation, with networking and video. From there I could install >> apt-get, and DL specific packages. I used Lxde as the lowest resource >> GUI desktop, and Lxde brought along Xorg. I installed to an ext4 file >> system. The result actually ran, though it wasn't anything you would >> call fast. >> >> The ancient notebook came to me with WinXP SP2. XP wants 512MB >> RAM minimum. I reformatted, repartitioned, installed Win2K Pro (which >> would sort of run in 256MB RAM,) two flavors of Linux, and FreeDOS, >> multi booting under Grub2. Win2K was on an NTFS slice, Linux was on >> ext4, and FreeDOS was on FAT32. It was mostly an experiment to see >> what performance I could wring out of ancient hardware *without* >> throwing money at it. I haven't booted it in a long time. >> >> > A friend of my IT guy "is nagging" me a year now to get an ssd, so i was >> > thinking get one ssd 240, stick it to eeepc and install freedos. >> >> You don't even need 240. I got a 120GB budget SSD from my preferred >> retailer for $20 US. The intended use is in another old notebook >> device replacing the HD. >> >> > My issues are: >> > >> > 1 - Will freedos work well with atom cpu >> >> Sure. The Atom CPU is an Intel x86 design, and FreeDOS will run on >> any of them. (Getting it to *boot* is another matter unrelated to the >> CPU.) >> >> > 2 - Can freedos detect 2Gb of ram >> >> I believe so, but for FreeDOS, how much do you *care*? >> >> FreeDOS will use 640K as user RAM where it and your programs will load >> and run. With EMS/XMS, you may be able to use RAM beyond 1MB for >> things like disk cache and RAMdisk. >> >> > The idea is to carry the eeepc with me to play and to also to show my 7 >> > year old girlfriend nephew the games I played back in 1988 and forward. >> >> I'd install a low resource requirement version of Linux on ext4, carve >> out a separate FAT partition for FreeDOS, and multi-boot. >> >> I wouldn't try to make FreeDOS the primary OS. >> __ >> Dennis >> >> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >
Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 02:45:02AM +0200, Tomas By wrote: > > Did you have any Soundblaster-like sound on that gear? > > It just says "onboard audio" in the BIOS. > > Apparently the version I have is too old for copy to support the /S > switch, so was not able to test an old game I have. I was just pondering whether it was possible to squeeze any sound out of that gear using the tool like this one http://www.georgpotthast.de/dossound/ or any other similar -- regards, Zbigniew ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 02:10:03 +0200, ZB wrote: > Did you have any Soundblaster-like sound on that gear? It just says "onboard audio" in the BIOS. Apparently the version I have is too old for copy to support the /S switch, so was not able to test an old game I have. /Tomas ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 02:05:58AM +0200, Tomas By wrote: > I did this a couple of years ago on an Eeepc 701, and I ended up with > only Freedos, after trying several Linux distributions. Cannot > remember details unfortunately. Did you have any Soundblaster-like sound on that gear? -- regards, Zbigniew ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:17 AM dmccunney wrote: > I'd install a low resource requirement version of Linux on ext4, carve > out a separate FAT partition for FreeDOS, and multi-boot. > > I wouldn't try to make FreeDOS the primary OS. On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 01:32:24 +0200, Joao Silva wrote: > The idea was for freedos to be the main OS, but i will take in mind your > recommendation. I did this a couple of years ago on an Eeepc 701, and I ended up with only Freedos, after trying several Linux distributions. Cannot remember details unfortunately. /Tomas ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc
Hi! I started to use Linux with Ubuntu 8 something, the last one before moving to 9. Back then my main computer had a hdd splitted in 3 partitions: main with linux, 2nd with winxp and 3rd with win98. Then I ditched win98 and went to linux/winxp/w7 and after some problems with windows booting and getting grub gone missing i had 1 OS per hdd. Currently I have my main pc with windows 10 home, 2nd with Linux ubuntu, a 3rd with windows xp(to install dos or freedos) and my laptop with windows 7. João On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:24 AM ZB wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 07:15:28PM -0400, dmccunney wrote: > > > > I was thinking of installing Linux Xubuntu for it's low resources. > > > > I did that on an ancient notebook that had a whopping *256MB* RAM. > > Xubuntu would install, but performance left a lot to be desired. > > I recall the time when one could use Linux with Xwindow running on the gear > equipped with 16 MB RAM... and even with KDE 1.0 it was swapping just > sometimes. With IceWM or fvwm2 it was running smoothly > -- > regards, > Zbigniew > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc
Hi! I'm from Portugal and here a ssd are around 39.67 us dollars / 34 euros for 240gb, and i don't know if there are lower sizes anymore... still expensive. To install 2 OS, i would go with Windows 95 SE or 98 SE to copy files (games for me), i don't know but i'm sure that freedos will read pen drives as long they are plugged in before booting. Linux would do, but has you said, had to be a very low resources. The idea was for freedos to be the main OS, but i will take in mind your recommendation. João On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:17 AM dmccunney wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 6:15 PM Joao Silva wrote: > > > > I have a eeepc laptop originally came with windows xp and i switched to > windows 10 N, but sadly is too slow... turtle mode. > > Win10 needs 4GB RAM *minimum*. The sweet spot is 6GB. No surprise > performance was poor. > > > I was thinking of installing Linux Xubuntu for it's low resources. > > I did that on an ancient notebook that had a whopping *256MB* RAM. > Xubuntu would install, but performance left a lot to be desired. > Posters on the Ubuntu list said Ubuntu had a steadily increasing idea > of what "low end" was, and that too much Gnome had crept into XFCE. > What I wound up doing was following their suggestions and installing > from the Linux Minimal CD. That gave me a working command line Linux > installation, with networking and video. From there I could install > apt-get, and DL specific packages. I used Lxde as the lowest resource > GUI desktop, and Lxde brought along Xorg. I installed to an ext4 file > system. The result actually ran, though it wasn't anything you would > call fast. > > The ancient notebook came to me with WinXP SP2. XP wants 512MB > RAM minimum. I reformatted, repartitioned, installed Win2K Pro (which > would sort of run in 256MB RAM,) two flavors of Linux, and FreeDOS, > multi booting under Grub2. Win2K was on an NTFS slice, Linux was on > ext4, and FreeDOS was on FAT32. It was mostly an experiment to see > what performance I could wring out of ancient hardware *without* > throwing money at it. I haven't booted it in a long time. > > > A friend of my IT guy "is nagging" me a year now to get an ssd, so i was > thinking get one ssd 240, stick it to eeepc and install freedos. > > You don't even need 240. I got a 120GB budget SSD from my preferred > retailer for $20 US. The intended use is in another old notebook > device replacing the HD. > > > My issues are: > > > > 1 - Will freedos work well with atom cpu > > Sure. The Atom CPU is an Intel x86 design, and FreeDOS will run on > any of them. (Getting it to *boot* is another matter unrelated to the > CPU.) > > > 2 - Can freedos detect 2Gb of ram > > I believe so, but for FreeDOS, how much do you *care*? > > FreeDOS will use 640K as user RAM where it and your programs will load > and run. With EMS/XMS, you may be able to use RAM beyond 1MB for > things like disk cache and RAMdisk. > > > The idea is to carry the eeepc with me to play and to also to show my 7 > year old girlfriend nephew the games I played back in 1988 and forward. > > I'd install a low resource requirement version of Linux on ext4, carve > out a separate FAT partition for FreeDOS, and multi-boot. > > I wouldn't try to make FreeDOS the primary OS. > __ > Dennis > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 07:15:28PM -0400, dmccunney wrote: > > I was thinking of installing Linux Xubuntu for it's low resources. > > I did that on an ancient notebook that had a whopping *256MB* RAM. > Xubuntu would install, but performance left a lot to be desired. I recall the time when one could use Linux with Xwindow running on the gear equipped with 16 MB RAM... and even with KDE 1.0 it was swapping just sometimes. With IceWM or fvwm2 it was running smoothly -- regards, Zbigniew ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 6:15 PM Joao Silva wrote: > > I have a eeepc laptop originally came with windows xp and i switched to > windows 10 N, but sadly is too slow... turtle mode. Win10 needs 4GB RAM *minimum*. The sweet spot is 6GB. No surprise performance was poor. > I was thinking of installing Linux Xubuntu for it's low resources. I did that on an ancient notebook that had a whopping *256MB* RAM. Xubuntu would install, but performance left a lot to be desired. Posters on the Ubuntu list said Ubuntu had a steadily increasing idea of what "low end" was, and that too much Gnome had crept into XFCE. What I wound up doing was following their suggestions and installing from the Linux Minimal CD. That gave me a working command line Linux installation, with networking and video. From there I could install apt-get, and DL specific packages. I used Lxde as the lowest resource GUI desktop, and Lxde brought along Xorg. I installed to an ext4 file system. The result actually ran, though it wasn't anything you would call fast. The ancient notebook came to me with WinXP SP2. XP wants 512MB RAM minimum. I reformatted, repartitioned, installed Win2K Pro (which would sort of run in 256MB RAM,) two flavors of Linux, and FreeDOS, multi booting under Grub2. Win2K was on an NTFS slice, Linux was on ext4, and FreeDOS was on FAT32. It was mostly an experiment to see what performance I could wring out of ancient hardware *without* throwing money at it. I haven't booted it in a long time. > A friend of my IT guy "is nagging" me a year now to get an ssd, so i was > thinking get one ssd 240, stick it to eeepc and install freedos. You don't even need 240. I got a 120GB budget SSD from my preferred retailer for $20 US. The intended use is in another old notebook device replacing the HD. > My issues are: > > 1 - Will freedos work well with atom cpu Sure. The Atom CPU is an Intel x86 design, and FreeDOS will run on any of them. (Getting it to *boot* is another matter unrelated to the CPU.) > 2 - Can freedos detect 2Gb of ram I believe so, but for FreeDOS, how much do you *care*? FreeDOS will use 640K as user RAM where it and your programs will load and run. With EMS/XMS, you may be able to use RAM beyond 1MB for things like disk cache and RAMdisk. > The idea is to carry the eeepc with me to play and to also to show my 7 year > old girlfriend nephew the games I played back in 1988 and forward. I'd install a low resource requirement version of Linux on ext4, carve out a separate FAT partition for FreeDOS, and multi-boot. I wouldn't try to make FreeDOS the primary OS. __ Dennis ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc
Hi. I don't mind the black bars as long i can play the games and use a debugger that requires int13 (if not mistaken). I'll try them, theFDAPM and APMDOS. I don't know about the bios power settings... I don't know about the speaker... last year i installed windows 98 SE on a virtual machine and when I exited to dos there were no sound whatsoever from the speaker. Couldn't test dos or windows 98 (never tried 95) natively on the laptop to see if there was a speaker and if it was working. At the moment i have the weekends free, but too tired to do anything... when i do i'll send the results, have to do it before December. If it works well, my present to me this year will be a sdd... Thank you. On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:26 PM Eric Auer wrote: > > Bom dia João! > > > 1 - Will freedos work well with atom cpu > > I remember booting FreeDOS on EEE PC from SD card: Worked. > > But note that the screen resolution is different from what > is common in DOS, so expect some playing with MODE and some > black bars to be present even with tuned DOS resolutions. > There also was some sort of zoom hotkey with BIOS support? > > > 2 - Can freedos detect 2Gb of ram > > FreeDOS itself does not need that much, but HIMEMX, XMGR, > JEMM386 and JEMMEX can help DOS applications to use up to > 4 GB of your RAM. > > But note that on most computers your graphics memory and > other things are in the way, so FreeDOS might use only a > bit more than 3 GB even if you had MORE than 4 GB of RAM. > > > 3 - How to view the battery level and even if is possible > > to see or it's more play until the battery is without of juice > > I suggest trying FDAPM APMDOS or similar to reduce battery > consumption and other FDAPM commands to check battery level, > which depends on whether your BIOS supports that interface. > > Remember that when things go wrong, you may have to use the > classic "keep power button pressed for several seconds" trick > to force a shutdown if APM / ACPI / ... drivers get stuck or > when you ask FDAPM to do something that fails. > > > Hoping that the laptop has a speaker... > > Probably yes, but I do not actually remember whether it does. > > > The idea is to carry the eeepc with me to play and to also to show my 7 > > year old girlfriend nephew the games I played back in 1988 and forward. > > Cute idea :-) > > Eric > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc
Hi. I'll do a search, something is bound to appear. Thank you. On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:26 PM ZB wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:13:49PM +0100, Joao Silva wrote: > > > I have a eeepc laptop originally came with windows xp and i switched to > > windows 10 N, but sadly is too slow... turtle mode. I was thinking of > > installing Linux XUbuntu for it's low resources. > > > > A friend of my IT guy "is nagging" me a year now to get an ssd, so i was > > thinking get one ssd 240, stick it to eeepc and install freedos. > > > > My issues are: > > > > 1 - Will freedos work well with atom cpu > > 2 - Can freedos detect 2Gb of ram > > Yes and yes. > > > 3 - How to view the battery level and even if is possible to see or it's > > more play until the battery is without of juice > > No idea. Maybe there does exist some kind of utility? Try to google for > this. > > > https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140530070510AADqzXv=1_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLnBsLw_referrer_sig=AQAAABbcUSVdL4U_DvV8n3HeQgfCs8CcB2_L4cVFiL-1YKLKxZP9ck7e1sj4w4I66Y5CNI0JBoIVbmEw1YkGtGZlMu9lUt13QkyrlANodoczbfl026a4diYwn8PNuaFmfssjcmpCRV_ED7pz8E6tKzEjHh7Rs3iBMwo4xj4Ip714wZZr > > > Hoping that the laptop has a speaker... > > > > The idea is to carry the eeepc with me to play and to also to show my 7 > > year old girlfriend nephew the games I played back in 1988 and forward. > > > > There is no need for big videos for intros or ends. > > It surely has a speaker (or at least socket for headphones), so the proper > question is: "does it have a Soundblaster-compatible sound circuit > inside?". > And TBH I doubt this... > -- > regards, > Zbigniew > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc
Bom dia João! > 1 - Will freedos work well with atom cpu I remember booting FreeDOS on EEE PC from SD card: Worked. But note that the screen resolution is different from what is common in DOS, so expect some playing with MODE and some black bars to be present even with tuned DOS resolutions. There also was some sort of zoom hotkey with BIOS support? > 2 - Can freedos detect 2Gb of ram FreeDOS itself does not need that much, but HIMEMX, XMGR, JEMM386 and JEMMEX can help DOS applications to use up to 4 GB of your RAM. But note that on most computers your graphics memory and other things are in the way, so FreeDOS might use only a bit more than 3 GB even if you had MORE than 4 GB of RAM. > 3 - How to view the battery level and even if is possible > to see or it's more play until the battery is without of juice I suggest trying FDAPM APMDOS or similar to reduce battery consumption and other FDAPM commands to check battery level, which depends on whether your BIOS supports that interface. Remember that when things go wrong, you may have to use the classic "keep power button pressed for several seconds" trick to force a shutdown if APM / ACPI / ... drivers get stuck or when you ask FDAPM to do something that fails. > Hoping that the laptop has a speaker... Probably yes, but I do not actually remember whether it does. > The idea is to carry the eeepc with me to play and to also to show my 7 > year old girlfriend nephew the games I played back in 1988 and forward. Cute idea :-) Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:13:49PM +0100, Joao Silva wrote: > I have a eeepc laptop originally came with windows xp and i switched to > windows 10 N, but sadly is too slow... turtle mode. I was thinking of > installing Linux XUbuntu for it's low resources. > > A friend of my IT guy "is nagging" me a year now to get an ssd, so i was > thinking get one ssd 240, stick it to eeepc and install freedos. > > My issues are: > > 1 - Will freedos work well with atom cpu > 2 - Can freedos detect 2Gb of ram Yes and yes. > 3 - How to view the battery level and even if is possible to see or it's > more play until the battery is without of juice No idea. Maybe there does exist some kind of utility? Try to google for this. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140530070510AADqzXv=1_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLnBsLw_referrer_sig=AQAAABbcUSVdL4U_DvV8n3HeQgfCs8CcB2_L4cVFiL-1YKLKxZP9ck7e1sj4w4I66Y5CNI0JBoIVbmEw1YkGtGZlMu9lUt13QkyrlANodoczbfl026a4diYwn8PNuaFmfssjcmpCRV_ED7pz8E6tKzEjHh7Rs3iBMwo4xj4Ip714wZZr > Hoping that the laptop has a speaker... > > The idea is to carry the eeepc with me to play and to also to show my 7 > year old girlfriend nephew the games I played back in 1988 and forward. > > There is no need for big videos for intros or ends. It surely has a speaker (or at least socket for headphones), so the proper question is: "does it have a Soundblaster-compatible sound circuit inside?". And TBH I doubt this... -- regards, Zbigniew ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc
Hi to all. I have a eeepc laptop originally came with windows xp and i switched to windows 10 N, but sadly is too slow... turtle mode. I was thinking of installing Linux XUbuntu for it's low resources. A friend of my IT guy "is nagging" me a year now to get an ssd, so i was thinking get one ssd 240, stick it to eeepc and install freedos. My issues are: 1 - Will freedos work well with atom cpu 2 - Can freedos detect 2Gb of ram 3 - How to view the battery level and even if is possible to see or it's more play until the battery is without of juice Hoping that the laptop has a speaker... The idea is to carry the eeepc with me to play and to also to show my 7 year old girlfriend nephew the games I played back in 1988 and forward. There is no need for big videos for intros or ends. Thank you all in advance and best regards. João. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
