Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa
It's easy to read almost anything into the graph, but it seems to me that it narrowed during the RNC then made a large adjustment wider, favorable to Obama, as the DNC started. I guess that's normal. -- Owen [image: Inline image 1] image.png FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Gosh, Doug, Do you believe everything you read on the web? Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 9:17 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa Well, Nick. A google search on Big Dig Corruption returned the following: About 911,000 results (0.18 seconds) Take a few minutes to educate yourself on this particular topic. --Doug On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Eric, [...] As for the corruption, I just don't know. Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of ERIC P. CHARLES Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:49 PM To: Douglas Roberts Cc: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa Doug, As an adamant atheist, this is still low on my list of reasons to dislike Romney. No one has really talked about what Bain Capital does - I have nothing against raising money, but he should not be allowed to claim he was a job creator http://doonesbury.slate.com/strip/archive/2012/07/02 . Also, the idea that he will be less in Wall Street's pocket than Obama is laughable. No one has talked about how he was Governor for the biggest pork-barrel, corruption riddled, big-government, public-works disaster in US history - Boston's Big Dig http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Dig , $14.6 BILLION dollars... and then the ceiling collapsed. People are still not sure how to handle his roll in the Mass health care laws. He pulled off not-raising taxes while governor of Mass, only by implementing an incredible number of fees and slashing funding to education. When you look at his record, he sure seems to be for big, intrusive, expansive government - the opposite of his supposedly republican values - and he seems to be war-mongering recently and getting even more invasion-of-your-home preachy in recent speeches. That said, he ebbs and flows with the poll results as well as any politician I have seen. It almost seems bad enough that if the polls showed he would win as a Hindu, you might have a new list of odd believes to complain about pretty quickly. Eric P.S. These complaints should in no way be seen as an endorsement of some other guy (or gal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein ). On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 05:41 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob. And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were loathsome unto thy people. After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky. In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect. I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc. But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him. --Doug On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice? -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Eric Charles Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State University Altoona, PA 16601 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps
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There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice? -- Owen [image: Inline image 1] image.png FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob. And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were loathsome unto thy people. After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky. In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect. I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc. But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him. --Doug On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice? -- Owen [image: Inline image 1] FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell image.png FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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You have such a way with words, Doug.On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and theattendantdawning realization that Romney believes that godis a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob. And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were "loathsome unto thy people". After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky. In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires believing in a sadistic god and a uselesssavior; walking on water, rising from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc. But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact thatatheismcontinues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him. --DougOn Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice? -- Owen image.png FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org-- Doug Robertsdrobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.nethttp://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listservMeets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's Collegelectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Tory Hughesunusual objects and unique adornmentswww.toryhughes.comwww.toryhughes-galleryshop.comwww.facebook.com/tory.hughes1 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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It's a gift. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Victoria Hughes victo...@toryhughes.comwrote: You have such a way with words, Doug. On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob. And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were loathsome unto thy people. After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky. In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect. I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc. But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him. --Doug On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice? -- Owen image.png FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Tory Hughes unusual objects and unique adornments www.toryhughes.com www.toryhughes-galleryshop.com www.facebook.com/tory.hughes1 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell SeaCliff 24.125.jpg FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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from...? On Aug 19, 2012 3:56 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: It's a gift. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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The crystal planet Kolob. Sent from Android. On Aug 19, 2012 4:16 PM, Robert Holmes rob...@robertholmes.org wrote: from...? On Aug 19, 2012 3:56 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: It's a gift. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Doug, As an adamant atheist, this is still low on my list of reasons to dislike Romney. No one has really talked about what Bain Capital does - I have nothing against raising money, but he should not be allowed to claim http://doonesbury.slate.com/strip/archive/2012/07/02. Also, the idea that he will be less in Wall Street's pocket than Obama is laughable. No one has talked about how he was Governor for the biggest pork-barrel, corruption riddled, big-government, public-works disaster in US history - Boston's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Dig, $14.6 BILLION dollars... and then the ceiling collapsed. People are still not sure how to handle his roll in the Mass health care laws. He pulled off not-raising taxes while governor of Mass, only by implementing an incredible number of fees and slashing funding to education. When you look at his record, he sure seems to be for big, intrusive, expansive government - the opposite of his supposedly republican values - and he seems to be war-mongering recently and getting even more invasion-of-your-home preachy in recent speeches. That said, he ebbs and flows with the poll results as well as any politician I have seen. It almost seems bad enough that if the polls showed he would win as a Hindu, you might have a new list of odd believes to complain about pretty quickly. Eric P.S. These complaints should in no way be seen as an endorsement of some other guy (or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein). On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 05:41 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob. And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were loathsome unto thy people. After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky. In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect. I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc. But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him. --Doug On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore # wrote: There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice? -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts # #http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Eric Charles Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State University Altoona, PA 16601 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Eric, I am no friend of Romney, but, whatever else you might say about the big dig, it rescued Boston from the utter destruction imposed by the central artery project, reconnecting historic sites in the city, and reintegrating the city in many ways. I have only been back to the city a few times since the completion, but just on those few occasions that I have used chunks of the Big Dig to get places, the effect is miraculous. As for the corruption, I just don’t know. Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of ERIC P. CHARLES Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:49 PM To: Douglas Roberts Cc: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa Doug, As an adamant atheist, this is still low on my list of reasons to dislike Romney. No one has really talked about what Bain Capital does - I have nothing against raising money, but he should not be allowed to claim he was a job creator http://doonesbury.slate.com/strip/archive/2012/07/02 . Also, the idea that he will be less in Wall Street's pocket than Obama is laughable. No one has talked about how he was Governor for the biggest pork-barrel, corruption riddled, big-government, public-works disaster in US history - Boston's Big Dig http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Dig , $14.6 BILLION dollars... and then the ceiling collapsed. People are still not sure how to handle his roll in the Mass health care laws. He pulled off not-raising taxes while governor of Mass, only by implementing an incredible number of fees and slashing funding to education. When you look at his record, he sure seems to be for big, intrusive, expansive government - the opposite of his supposedly republican values - and he seems to be war-mongering recently and getting even more invasion-of-your-home preachy in recent speeches. That said, he ebbs and flows with the poll results as well as any politician I have seen. It almost seems bad enough that if the polls showed he would win as a Hindu, you might have a new list of odd believes to complain about pretty quickly. Eric P.S. These complaints should in no way be seen as an endorsement of some other guy (or gal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein ). On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 05:41 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob. And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were loathsome unto thy people. After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky. In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect. I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc. But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him. --Doug On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice? -- Owen Inline image 1 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Eric Charles Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State University Altoona, PA 16601 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Well, Nick. A google search on Big Dig Corruption returned the following: About 911,000 results (0.18 seconds) Take a few minutes to educate yourself on this particular topic. --Doug On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Eric, ** ** [...] ** ** As for the corruption, I just don’t know. ** ** Nick ** ** *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *ERIC P. CHARLES *Sent:* Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:49 PM *To:* Douglas Roberts *Cc:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa ** ** Doug, As an adamant atheist, this is still low on my list of reasons to dislike Romney. No one has really talked about what Bain Capital does - I have nothing against raising money, but he should *not *be allowed to claim he was a job creator http://doonesbury.slate.com/strip/archive/2012/07/02. Also, the idea that he will be less in Wall Street's pocket than Obama is laughable. No one has talked about how he was Governor for the biggest pork-barrel, corruption riddled, big-government, public-works disaster in US history - Boston's Big Dig http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Dig, $14.6 BILLION dollars... and then the ceiling collapsed. People are still not sure how to handle his roll in the Mass health care laws. He pulled off not-raising taxes while governor of Mass, only by implementing an incredible number of fees and slashing funding to education. When you look at his record, he sure seems to be for big, intrusive, expansive government - the opposite of his supposedly republican values - and he seems to be war-mongering recently and getting even more invasion-of-your-home preachy in recent speeches. That said, he ebbs and flows with the poll results as well as any politician I have seen. It almost seems bad enough that if the polls showed he would win as a Hindu, you might have a new list of odd believes to complain about pretty quickly. Eric P.S. These complaints should in *no way *be seen as an endorsement of some other guy (or gal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein). On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 05:41 PM, *Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net*wrote: Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob. And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were loathsome unto thy people. After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky. ** ** In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect. ** ** I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc. ** ** But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him. ** ** --Doug ** ** On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice? ** ** -- Owen ** ** ** ** [image: Inline image 1] FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ** ** -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell ** ** ** ** FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Eric Charles Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State University Altoona, PA 16601 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http
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ERIC P. CHARLES wrote at 07/11/2012 09:41 PM: Why not say some simple and straightforward things about what you actually accomplished? Well, for what (little) it's worth, they did send me this: http://content.wuala.com/contents/gepr/public/obama-biden-wallet-posterized-scaled.png -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: snip Obama has us by the short hairs... he (should) know(s) that he beats the (holy) shit out of the alternative... he's not MY answer, but he's a damn good start! I don't need Obama to articulate anything to me... if *I* don't know what the score is, his telling me doesn't change anything. I say his lack of attendance to our BS needs for spoon feeding our needs... is his genius... But I could be wrong... OK, 1 down, 150,000,000 to go! (see below) I'd like to believe this is Obama's genius: let the opponent shoot himself in the foot. But when I go home and chat with folks, I hear a lot more of what the pundits spew: FUD. Hopefully the people are wiser than they. -- Owen Found on the web looking for how many voters there are in the US: 169 million registered - 86 million democrat - 55 million republican - 28 million others registered. what percentage of these actually voted in 2008 presidential election? During the 2008 presidential election, there were *132,645,504* total voters out of an *eligible* voting age population of *212,702,354*, which gives you a *62.4%* participation rate FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it's Barack Obama vs. Gordon Gekko. Which would you prefer to see as president? Perhaps the country is waking up to that. *-- Russ Abbott* Like many of us, I wanted Obama to be the president for the rest of us. But he's seemed weak in many aspects of his presidency. I realize that many presidential historians believe exogenous events form a president, not their platform or promises. Much of the downturn was inherited. But as bad as the hand he was dealt was, he could at least articulate the positive things he has done. Obama has had several successes, quite important ones. But he never explains them to the electorate. Instead he gets mauled by the opposition. Why is he so poor at explaining his successes? A trivial example is the health care bill. Yes it is a tax, but overall it will vastly reduce taxes due to the relief it brings caused by freeloaders who use the most expensive health care possible: the emergency room! Several pundits have claimed as much as a 10 to one reduction in public costs which will be reflected in lower taxes. But Obama remains mum. I don't get it. It could simply be the media, which loves a good fight. They fan the flames and nurture fear. But it does seem to me that a large amount of the (idiotic) electorate buys the anti-obama rhetoric. I (think) Obama would be the best outcome, at least he's got experience at it and could be better in a second term. And Romney does seem a bit of an ass. I am, however, surprised at the difference between the graph and the punditry. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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I absolutely agree with you. Drew Weston often has intelligent things to say about Obama's failure to communicate. Here's his most recenthttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-westen/obama-tax-cut_b_1660814.html. And while I'm posting links, Robert Reich makes the pointhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/obama-tax-proposal_b_1661908.htmlthat extending the tax cuts for income up to $250,000 applies to everyone, even those making more than $250,000. It's not that the tax cuts apply only to those making less; they apply to *everyone*. This is not class warfare. It treats everyone the same way. Obama should make that point also. *-- Russ * On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.comwrote: Well, it's Barack Obama vs. Gordon Gekko. Which would you prefer to see as president? Perhaps the country is waking up to that. *-- Russ Abbott* Like many of us, I wanted Obama to be the president for the rest of us. But he's seemed weak in many aspects of his presidency. I realize that many presidential historians believe exogenous events form a president, not their platform or promises. Much of the downturn was inherited. But as bad as the hand he was dealt was, he could at least articulate the positive things he has done. Obama has had several successes, quite important ones. But he never explains them to the electorate. Instead he gets mauled by the opposition. Why is he so poor at explaining his successes? A trivial example is the health care bill. Yes it is a tax, but overall it will vastly reduce taxes due to the relief it brings caused by freeloaders who use the most expensive health care possible: the emergency room! Several pundits have claimed as much as a 10 to one reduction in public costs which will be reflected in lower taxes. But Obama remains mum. I don't get it. It could simply be the media, which loves a good fight. They fan the flames and nurture fear. But it does seem to me that a large amount of the (idiotic) electorate buys the anti-obama rhetoric. I (think) Obama would be the best outcome, at least he's got experience at it and could be better in a second term. And Romney does seem a bit of an ass. I am, however, surprised at the difference between the graph and the punditry. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Owen - *I* get it he doesn't have to articulate it.. he merely has to make (a lot) more sense, totally exposed by his behaviour, than the afore mentioned Gordon Gecko that is the other party... I would love it if Obama would follow up his citizen-funded win of 2008 with a total silence in 2012... let the 'publicans bury themselves with their own rhetoric. Yes, if you are the gay couple who didn't get his full endorsement for your wedding or if your child didnt get withdrawn from Afghanistan as quickly as you wanted, or if you wanted (who doesn't?) Gitmo shut down 4 years ago, then OK... vote for the other guy. But really? Obama has us by the short hairs... he (should) know(s) that he beats the (holy) shit out of the alternative... he's not MY answer, but he's a damn good start! I don't need Obama to articulate anything to me... if *I* don't know what the score is, his telling me doesn't change anything. I say his lack of attendance to our BS needs for spoon feeding our needs... is his genius... But I could be wrong... - Steve On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com mailto:russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it's Barack Obama vs. Gordon Gekko. Which would you prefer to see as president? Perhaps the country is waking up to that. /-- Russ Abbott/ Like many of us, I wanted Obama to be the president for the rest of us. But he's seemed weak in many aspects of his presidency. I realize that many presidential historians believe exogenous events form a president, not their platform or promises. Much of the downturn was inherited. But as bad as the hand he was dealt was, he could at least articulate the positive things he has done. Obama has had several successes, quite important ones. But he never explains them to the electorate. Instead he gets mauled by the opposition. Why is he so poor at explaining his successes? A trivial example is the health care bill. Yes it is a tax, but overall it will vastly reduce taxes due to the relief it brings caused by freeloaders who use the most expensive health care possible: the emergency room! Several pundits have claimed as much as a 10 to one reduction in public costs which will be reflected in lower taxes. But Obama remains mum. I don't get it. It could simply be the media, which loves a good fight. They fan the flames and nurture fear. But it does seem to me that a large amount of the (idiotic) electorate buys the anti-obama rhetoric. I (think) Obama would be the best outcome, at least he's got experience at it and could be better in a second term. And Romney does seem a bit of an ass. I am, however, surprised at the difference between the graph and the punditry. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Steve,
I would be tempted to agree with you if he (and his party, and his
campaign) didn't keep saying other things instead. He is in the process of
organizing a several hundred million dollar media blitz. Why not say some
simple and straightforward things about what you actually accomplished?
Eric
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 12:07 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote:
Owen -
*I* get it he doesn't have to articulate it.. he merely has to
make (a lot) more sense, totally exposed by his behaviour, than
the afore mentioned Gordon Gecko that is the other party...
I would love it if Obama would follow up his citizen-funded win
of 2008 with a total silence in 2012... let the 'publicans bury
themselves with their own rhetoric.
Yes, if you are the gay couple who didn't get his full endorsement
for your wedding or if your child didnt get withdrawn from
Afghanistan as quickly as you wanted, or if you wanted (who
doesn't?) Gitmo shut down 4 years ago, then OK... vote for the
other guy. But really?
Obama has us by the short hairs... he (should) know(s) that he
beats the (holy) shit out of the alternative... he's not MY
answer, but he's a damn good start!
I don't need Obama to articulate anything to me... if *I* don't
know what the score is, his telling me doesn't change anything. I
say his lack of attendance to our BS needs for spoon feeding our
needs... is his genius...
But I could be wrong...
- Steve
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Russ
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target=russ.abb...@gmail.com/a
wrote:
Well, it's Barack Obama
vs. Gordon Gekko. Which would you prefer to see as
president? Perhaps the country is waking up to that.
-- Russ Abbott
Like many of us, I wanted Obama to be the president for
the rest of us. But he's seemed weak in many aspects of his
presidency. I realize that many presidential historians
believe exogenous events form a president, not their
platform or promises. Much of the downturn was inherited. But
as bad as the hand he was dealt was, he could at least
articulate the positive things he has done.
Obama has had several successes, quite important ones. But
he never explains them to the electorate. Instead he gets
mauled by the opposition. Why is he so poor at explaining his
successes?
A trivial example is the health care bill. Yes it is a
tax, but overall it will vastly reduce taxes due to
the relief it brings caused by freeloaders who use the most
expensive health care possible: the emergency room! Several
pundits have claimed as much as a 10 to one reduction in
public costs which will be reflected in lower taxes.
But Obama remains mum. I don't get it.
It could simply be the media, which loves a good fight.
They fan the flames and nurture fear. But it does seem to me
that a large amount of the (idiotic) electorate buys the
anti-obama rhetoric.
I (think) Obama would be the best outcome, at least he's
got experience at it and could be better in a second term.
And Romney does seem a bit of an ass. I am, however,
surprised at the difference between the graph and the
punditry.
-- Owen
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