Re: Git to SVN

2011-11-10 Thread Upayavira


On Wednesday, November 09, 2011 1:38 PM, Jeremy Thomerson
jer...@thomersonfamily.com wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Christian Grobmeier
 grobme...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  In addition you can ask on wave-dev. They have finally decided to
  loose history and do an initial checkin because it was not easily
  possible to convert.
 
 
 Why are we doing this on any project when we potentially have a git
 solution around the corner?  Why not add these projects to the git
 experiment and then only take this drastic action if the git experiment
 fails?

Because it is an experiment, and putting lots of projects on it turns it
into a real project before it is ready.

At present, the work goes to the project to get its code into Apache. If
they went to git, on failure, it would end up as infrastructure's work
to migrate it.

It needs to stay with just one project until that has reached the right
level to take on more.

Upayavira

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Re: Git to SVN

2011-11-10 Thread Upayavira
The ASF exists to produce software for the public good. Its software is
its primary (only?) asset.

Therefore, it needs to be in control of this asset, and that means being
in control of the revision control tools used to maintain it.

This means that whatever revision control is used, it must be managed by
the Foundation.

As to whether Git can be used, we have an experiment happening. Folks
who want to see Git adopted can help with that experiment.

Upayavira

On Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:49 PM, Leo Neumeyer
leoneume...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm curious if you also discussed using a hosted service like GitHub for
 the projects. Seems to me that it would save us so much in resources and
 time to take advantage of their free accounts for open source projects
 and
 they seem to be doing a pretty good job. Perhaps there are concerns about
 relying on a third party but for an organization powered by volunteers,
 using a free service like this could be a great benefit. Perhaps there
 are
 good reasons why this cannot be done but was wondering if it was
 discussed
 at all.
 
 -leo
 
 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier
 grobme...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Jeremy Thomerson
  jer...@thomersonfamily.com wrote:
  
   On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com
  
   wrote:
  
   In addition you can ask on wave-dev. They have finally decided to
   loose history and do an initial checkin because it was not easily
   possible to convert.
  
   Why are we doing this on any project when we potentially have a git
  solution
   around the corner?  Why not add these projects to the git experiment and
   then only take this drastic action if the git experiment fails?
 
  This discussion was already held before a while. There are many
  questions to solve before.
 
  Cheers,
  Christian
  
   Jeremy Thomerson
  
 
 
 
  --
  http://www.grobmeier.de
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 
 Leo Neumeyer (@leoneu)
 

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Re: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]

2011-11-10 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:

snip

 Unless anyone jumps in soon, I'll set up a Suitable Names Search
 JIRA project

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH

Please jump in to fill out details and permissions. Improvements,
suggestions, objections, welcomed.

 and break out some documentation into a new guide...

I hope to start working on something to fill
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html soon unless someone
jumps in with a better suggestion...

Robert

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Re: [VOTE] Accept Openmeetings to Apache Incubator

2011-11-10 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
+1 binding


Regards,
Alan

On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:

 Opemeetings proposal has been discussed a few times here before. The group of 
 developers behind it worked hard (and succeeded) to address all potential 
 obstacles to the Incubator acceptance and to the following incubation. They 
 even went an extra mile and collected all ICLAs in adbvance.
 
 So now I am starting the vote to accept Openmeetings to Apache Incubator.
 
 The proposal is also available at: 
 http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenmeetingsProposal
 
 Please cast your votes:
 
 [ ] +1 Accept Openmeetings for incubation
 [ ] +0 Don't care
 [ ] -1 Reject for the following reason:
 
 The vote is open for 72 hours.
 
 Andrus


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Re: [VOTE] Accept Openmeetings to Apache Incubator

2011-11-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
Ditto!

On Nov 10, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:

 +1 binding
 
 
 Regards,
 Alan
 
 On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
 
 Opemeetings proposal has been discussed a few times here before. The group 
 of developers behind it worked hard (and succeeded) to address all potential 
 obstacles to the Incubator acceptance and to the following incubation. They 
 even went an extra mile and collected all ICLAs in adbvance.
 
 So now I am starting the vote to accept Openmeetings to Apache Incubator.
 
 The proposal is also available at: 
 http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenmeetingsProposal
 
 Please cast your votes:
 
 [ ] +1 Accept Openmeetings for incubation
 [ ] +0 Don't care
 [ ] -1 Reject for the following reason:
 
 The vote is open for 72 hours.
 
 Andrus
 
 
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Re: [VOTE] Accept Openmeetings to Apache Incubator

2011-11-10 Thread Maurizio Cucchiara
+1 (non-binding)

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RE: [VOTE] Accept Openmeetings to Apache Incubator

2011-11-10 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
+1 (non-binding)

-Original Message-
From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:and...@objectstyle.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 1:54 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [VOTE] Accept Openmeetings to Apache Incubator

Opemeetings proposal has been discussed a few times here before. The
group of developers behind it worked hard (and succeeded) to address all
potential obstacles to the Incubator acceptance and to the following
incubation. They even went an extra mile and collected all ICLAs in adbvance.

So now I am starting the vote to accept Openmeetings to Apache Incubator.

The proposal is also available at:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenmeetingsProposal

Please cast your votes:

[ ] +1 Accept Openmeetings for incubation
[ ] +0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Reject for the following reason:

The vote is open for 72 hours.

Andrus

---
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Apache Cayenne ORM: http://cayenne.apache.org/
Twitter: http://twitter.com/andrus_a



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== OpenMeetings Project Proposal ==

== Abstract ==
Openmeetings is a web conferencing solution.

== Proposal ==
Openmeetings provides video conferencing, instant messaging, white board,
collaborative document editing and other groupware tools using API functions
of the Red5 Streaming Server for Remoting and Streaming.

== Background ==
Openmeetings was developed since 2007 by Sebastian Wagner and willing
developers. The project ships a release approximately once per quarter. It
was developed using LGPL license, and developers are currently thinking of
re-licensing it under Apache License 2.0.

The project started as module by Sebastian Wagner for an ELearning platform
(Dokeos) and was then split into a separated project. That is the reason why
there is a strong relation to educational institutions that are using
OpenMeetings and there are integrations for platforms like Moodle, ATutor,
Sakai, STudIP or ILias available
(http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/wiki/MoodlePlugins). The relation
to educational institutions also subsequently lead to some projects funded by
the EU where OpenMeetings was involved, for example by the
Swedish/Finnish Centre of Open-Source !OpenKarken (Case-Study about the
EU project at OSOR.eu: http://www.osor.eu/studies/finland-and-sweden-
collaborate-using-oss )

The integration and internationalization of the project was a primary focus
right from the start of the project. Since Version 0.5 there is a 
Language-Editor
(http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/wiki/LanguageEditor) to edit
labels, export and import them as XML and you can use those XML files for
future installations (or contribute it to the community). There are currently
around 30 languages available.  Since version 0.5.1 there is also a SOAP API to
integrate !OpenMeetings. We constantly improve this SOAP/REST API
(http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/wiki/SoapMethods) with new
functionality with a strong focus on security and usability. The auth-mechnism
is quite similar to OAuth, you create some token and then assign rights to the
token. (Documentation for Single Sign On:
http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/wiki/DirectLoginSoapGeneralFlow)

The project name !OpenMeetings and logos are inspired by Ludovic Gasc
who has been the project manager at Dokeos at the time Sebastian split
!OpenMeetings as separated project.

Red5 Server provides an Edge-Orion-Clustering
(http://trac.red5.org/wiki/Documentation/Tutorials/EdgeOriginClusteringCon
figuration).  We hope to extend this clustering solution with support for rtmpt
and  rtmps and integrate that into our application as native clustering  
option.

== Rationale ==
Last year most major vendors started commercial web conferencing solutions.
This is an important part of software ecosystem, and there is an urge to
consolidate open source development efforts in this direction.

According to several studies demand for synchronous Communication, in
opposite to asynchronous Communication like wiki's or email, will raise the
upcoming years. For example Gartner promises that 2011 the market will grow
20% according to their Magic Quadrant report 2010 (
http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?doc_cd=205941 ).

Openmeetings is a unique solution in terms of patent purity and potentially
can grow into solution built on top of the fully open source stack. That is 
why it
is a good candidate for consolidating web conferencing community efforts.

== Initial Goals ==
Each of project committers has their own set of goals, but we all share the
following.

 * Move to Apache.
 * Become popular.

To become popular we plan to do the following.

 * Improve ecosystem around the project.
 * Improve release process.
 * Improve project testing and stability.
 * Apply modular architecture/SOA for better integration with other projects.

== Current Status ==
We have agreed on applying for the Apache Foundation and preparing our
proposal for the vote.

Technical status of the project is: Current stable tree is 1.8.x, Trunk is 1.9.

=== 

Latest copyright sign-off status [Was: Podlings needing copyright sign-off]

2011-11-10 Thread Henri Yandell
Updating this, half of the items without sign-off in July are now
signed off. I've updated the list below (though I've not yet added new
PMCs since June).

Here's the previous email:

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here's a list of the projects in the Incubator who need to sign off
 their copyright item; namely:

 Check and make sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF
 been received.
  It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the core
 code, and any
  new code produced by the project.  

Here's the latest list:

2008-09-29  olio
2009-02-09  kato
2009-02-13  stonehenge
2009-05-08  ace
2009-05-13  socialsite
2009-06-25  wink
2009-11-08  hise
2010-01-27  manifoldcf
2010-05-19  amber
2010-05-24  zetacomponents
2010-09-05  nuvem
2010-11-02  celix
2010-11-12  kitty
2010-11-24  stanbol
2010-12-02  jena
2010-12-02  opennlp
2011-06-13  openofficeorg

Hen

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[VOTE] Retire Olio [Was: Retire Olio?]

2011-11-10 Thread Henri Yandell
Coming back to this.

It unfortunately seems that there's no (even optimistic) expectation
that Olio will graduate.

So, voting:

[ ] +1
[ ] -1, no because...

Hen

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:27 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
 On 8/17/2011 12:47 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:40 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
 wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
 On 8/17/2011 12:37 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
 The copyright item isn't signed off at
 https://incubator.apache.org/projects/olio.html.

 So would need to delete the code (assuming a successful retirement vote).

 Where are the mentors?

 Wondering how conflicted-providence IP would hit svn in the first place.

 Digging a bit:

 Initial Olio code dump from Sun by clr. r700550
 Added rails webapp by wsobel. r705828
 Adding Web20Emulator by sheetal. r706388

 There were other large adds, but those were the three initial big ones.

 I don't see any software grants relating to Olio. I see lots in the
 board reports about struggling to get committer diversity because the
 committers were at 3 corporations.

 I don't believe that conflicted-providence IP would have hit svn, yet
 if it's not signed off and (assuming no one steps up to say otherwise)
 I think delete is the only option we have.

 Agreed.  Unless the mentors can check off that checkbox prior to the
 project's dormancy, svn will need to be rm'ed.


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Re: [VOTE] Retire Olio [Was: Retire Olio?]

2011-11-10 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 (binding)

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote:
 Coming back to this.

 It unfortunately seems that there's no (even optimistic) expectation
 that Olio will graduate.

 So, voting:

 [ ] +1
 [ ] -1, no because...

 Hen

 On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:27 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
 wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
 On 8/17/2011 12:47 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:40 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
 wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
 On 8/17/2011 12:37 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
 The copyright item isn't signed off at
 https://incubator.apache.org/projects/olio.html.

 So would need to delete the code (assuming a successful retirement vote).

 Where are the mentors?

 Wondering how conflicted-providence IP would hit svn in the first place.

 Digging a bit:

 Initial Olio code dump from Sun by clr. r700550
 Added rails webapp by wsobel. r705828
 Adding Web20Emulator by sheetal. r706388

 There were other large adds, but those were the three initial big ones.

 I don't see any software grants relating to Olio. I see lots in the
 board reports about struggling to get committer diversity because the
 committers were at 3 corporations.

 I don't believe that conflicted-providence IP would have hit svn, yet
 if it's not signed off and (assuming no one steps up to say otherwise)
 I think delete is the only option we have.

 Agreed.  Unless the mentors can check off that checkbox prior to the
 project's dormancy, svn will need to be rm'ed.


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Re: [VOTE] Retire Olio [Was: Retire Olio?]

2011-11-10 Thread j...@nanthrax.net
+1 (binding)

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- Reply message -
From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [VOTE] Retire Olio [Was: Retire Olio?]
Date: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:33 pm


+1 (binding)

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote:
 Coming back to this.

 It unfortunately seems that there's no (even optimistic) expectation
 that Olio will graduate.

 So, voting:

 [ ] +1
 [ ] -1, no because...

 Hen

 On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:27 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
 wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
 On 8/17/2011 12:47 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:40 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
 wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
 On 8/17/2011 12:37 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
 The copyright item isn't signed off at
 https://incubator.apache.org/projects/olio.html.

 So would need to delete the code (assuming a successful retirement vote).

 Where are the mentors?

 Wondering how conflicted-providence IP would hit svn in the first place.

 Digging a bit:

 Initial Olio code dump from Sun by clr. r700550
 Added rails webapp by wsobel. r705828
 Adding Web20Emulator by sheetal. r706388

 There were other large adds, but those were the three initial big ones.

 I don't see any software grants relating to Olio. I see lots in the
 board reports about struggling to get committer diversity because the
 committers were at 3 corporations.

 I don't believe that conflicted-providence IP would have hit svn, yet
 if it's not signed off and (assuming no one steps up to say otherwise)
 I think delete is the only option we have.

 Agreed.  Unless the mentors can check off that checkbox prior to the
 project's dormancy, svn will need to be rm'ed.


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Re: Git to SVN

2011-11-10 Thread David Lutterkort
Hi Leo,

what you are looking for is 'grafting' the master branch of your current
git repo into subversion via git-svn. This blog post[1] helped me a lot
when I was doing the same for Deltacloud.

David

[1] 
http://journal.sandesh247.com/2009/06/importing-git-history-into-new-svn.html



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