Re: [gentoo-user] Faulty IDE ribbon?
On Sunday 04 September 2005 15:39, Mick wrote:
Just checking before I buy a new ribbon, that there is nothing more
sinister happening with my secondary IDE controller. Suddenly and
with no activity on my secondary IDE controller there's a noise as
if my /dev/hdc (8G ATA drive) and /dev/hdd (CDWR) are reinitialised
- i.e. the mechanical noises usually observed when the machine is
switched on and the BIOS probes the devices on booting.
Both devices are not mounted and there is no media in the CDWR.
This is what dmesg shows:
=
hdc: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61
hdc: DMA timeout error
hdc: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete
DataRequest }
I had the same problem! As it turned out it was the ribbon that caused
these weird kernel messages and the noise during the start of the
system. So yes, replacing the ribbon would probably make these
symptoms disappear.
Regards
Frank
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[gentoo-user] strange boot problems with gentoo-sources-2.6.12-r10
Hi All, The day before yesterday compiled/booted/worked with this 'new' kernel - gentoo-sources-2.6.12-r10 (after -r9). Changelog only says it's based on 2.6.12.6 and there are two fixed Bugs for AMD-64 a forcedeth problem (i'm on 32-bits don't have forcedeth). Went for it cause wanted to try 'vesafb-tng' (splashutils). Works OK. Think the later problems came from the vesafb-tng thing, which replaced my previous 'bootsplash' feature/theme. On first two/three runs it boots/works OK (nice work with that splash-themes). Yesterday the problems began, still while booting, errors appeared while starting 'svscan' (part of daemontools - i run tinydnsqmail) with messages about the filesystem being 'read-only' etc and as it retries to start endlessly things are doomed. Had to use Live-CD to fix the errors. Returned to -r9, disabled 'svscan' on boot - works w/o flaws, later even could start 'svscan' manually. This is just as info and eventually if somebodies have any experiences. Will try -r10 w/o starting 'svscan' look at the 2.6.12.6-Changelog, but most probably will try out 2.6.13 (in testing or when it comes out). Thank for your time. Rumen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] why is Joe part of 'system' ?
050904 Holly Bostick wrote: I'm surprised no one has said, Look in /var/cache/edb/virtuals , where you will likely see that Joe is set as an in-use virtual/editor(s) on your actual system. Yes, it is, along with Vim Gvim Nano. However, (1) that file still lists virtual/alsa sys-kernel/gentoo-dev-sources virtual/dhcpc net-misc/dhcpcd virtual/dev-manager sys-fs/devfsd virtual/mpg123 media-sound/mpg123 (2) it was last updated 050122 . Re (1), I don't have a sound card have removed all the sound packages, so 'alsa' 'mpg123' should not be listed: really, sound is not a requirement of any kind for a working system; I removed Dhcpcd 041114, as it had ceased to be part of 'system'; Devfsd was one of the requirements which caused me to ask the question. Re (2) following from (1), the file doesn't seem to be accurate nor does it seem to be kept upto-date by anything: the only package I emerged 050122 was Bin86 , needed to handle the MBR. So thanx for your fresh point, but it really just raised another question. My basic purpose is to understand how the Gentoo system works sometimes -- probably here -- this uncovers strange activities which have been going on underneath some stone unnoticed by everyone. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why is Joe part of 'system' ?
Philip Webb wrote: 050904 Holly Bostick wrote: I'm surprised no one has said, Look in /var/cache/edb/virtuals , where you will likely see that Joe is set as an in-use virtual/editor(s) on your actual system. Yes, it is, along with Vim Gvim Nano. However, (1) that file still lists Hmm, mine is empty... Could you have an outdated cache tree? -- Naga -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] floppy drive will format a disk, boot from a grub floppy, but can't write any files
Try: # ls -la after you cd into it. The files you have saved on your fd0 may be system directories/files i.e. they may have a . before the file/directory name. -Original Message- From: Adrian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2005 16:14 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] floppy drive will format a disk, boot from a grub floppy, but can't write any files Something odd is going on with my floppy drive, maybe it's just a hardware problem? In the first example you will see that I can format a floppy, mount it, but then I can not copy any files to it. -example Sun Sep 04 09:02:16 /home/skippi root $ mke2fs /dev/fd0 mke2fs 1.37 (21-Mar-2005) Filesystem label= OS type: Linux Block size=1024 (log=0) Fragment size=1024 (log=0) 184 inodes, 1440 blocks 72 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user First data block=1 1 block group 8192 blocks per group, 8192 fragments per group 184 inodes per group Writing inode tables: done Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done This filesystem will be automatically checked every 24 mounts or 180 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override. Sun Sep 04 09:03:18 /home/skippi root $ mkdir /floppy Sun Sep 04 09:03:40 /home/skippi root $ mount /dev/fd0 /floppy Sun Sep 04 09:03:56 /home/skippi root $ mkdir -p /floppy/boot/grub mkdir: cannot create directory `/floppy/boot': Input/output error - now here, I mount my GRUB floppy, which has files on it, since I used this to boot my computer, yet I can't actually see any of the files. another example-- Sun Sep 04 09:08:06 /home/skippi root $ mount /mnt/floppy/ Sun Sep 04 09:08:26 /home/skippi root $ df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hde7 11718996 6638084 5080912 57% / /dev/hde9266180800 232401964 33778836 88% /home /dev/fd0 1412 158 1182 12% /mnt/floppy Sun Sep 04 09:08:31 /home/skippi root $ cd /mnt/floppy/ Sun Sep 04 09:08:36 /mnt/floppy root $ ls Sun Sep 04 09:08:46 /mnt/floppy root $ du 1.0K. 1.0Ktotal Sun Sep 04 09:08:59 /mnt/floppy root $ Simply a bad drive? I have tried numerous floppy disk, and they can't all be bad. Any other ideas for troubleshooting? Thank you very much. Adrian -- On The Fly Photography -:- Creation From Chaos On The Fly Photography: http://204EastSouth.com Purchase from On The Fly: http://204EastSouth.com/OTFStore.htm The Cynical Libertarian Society: http://www.204EastSouth.com/cls -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] log4j-1.2.9 failed to compile
Thanks a lot. I threw out all my dev-java/* stuff (wasn't very much), switched to sun-jdk 1.4 and emerged all stuff again. That did the trick. Martin Hi! I wanted to compile eclipse-sdk (emerge eclipse-sdk). emerge compiled some other packages, but failed compiling log4j-1.2.9. Can someone help me? I spent a long time yesterday doing this emerge my self... I finally got it when I emerged all relevant dev-java/* stuff with the sun-jdk-1.4* compiler (after emerge -C the relevant packages). It seemed like some packages didn't like when some other package had been emerged with another compiler (sun-jdk-1.5*). -- Naga -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Faulty IDE ribbon?
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Sent: 05 September 2005 07:07
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Faulty IDE ribbon?
On Sunday 04 September 2005 15:39, Mick wrote:
Just checking before I buy a new ribbon, that there is nothing more
sinister happening with my secondary IDE controller. Suddenly and
with no activity on my secondary IDE controller there's a noise as
if my /dev/hdc (8G ATA drive) and /dev/hdd (CDWR) are reinitialised
- i.e. the mechanical noises usually observed when the machine is
switched on and the BIOS probes the devices on booting.
Both devices are not mounted and there is no media in the CDWR.
This is what dmesg shows:
=
hdc: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61
hdc: DMA timeout error
hdc: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete
DataRequest }
I had the same problem! As it turned out it was the ribbon
that caused
these weird kernel messages and the noise during the start of the
system. So yes, replacing the ribbon would probably make these
symptoms disappear.
Thanks Frank! New ribbon is on order now.
--
Regards,
Mick
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[gentoo-user] Installing gentoo on a Umax Pulsar
Hi, I have an old Umax Pulsar (PowerPC 604). I'm going to install gentoo on it. I have downloaded the iso for PPC, but I thing I need a little bit of support during the process. Any useful tips? Thanx -- - Visit my blog: http://respetaralagnostico.blogspot.com - Francisco Santiago Capel Torres [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT: favorite window manager/desktop environ?
Matt Randolph schreef: [I just thought I'd chip in my two cents on the question of whether Linux is easy or hard. It's turned into more like my $11.62, so it's a good thing it's broken into sections.] Linux is easy. snip of Matt's tour-de-force, virtually all of which I agree with, except it still assumes that a 'knowledgeable user'; i.e. an admin, is involved, which was the point of the whole debate-- Windows users believe that they should always be 'pure users' and the very fact that they or someone must 'admin' Linux automatically makes it too hard The only thing that is harder to do in the Linux world that in the Windows world is to find commercial software and some driver support. In the Windows world, you don't have to ask yourself is this software available for my OS? In the Windows world, you buy the hardware first and then check to see if it's compatible AFTER you start having trouble getting it to work in your computer. Which is, btw, completely bass-ackward to start with, which was my original point (the assumption that 'pure user, no admin necessary' is possible is fundamentally wrong, and patently false based on the observed evidence). You can't buy a couch on a whim without taking into account the measurements of your doors/room first (well you can, but if you can't get it into your house, no vendor is going to say, 'oh, sorry, that's my fault'). If you do, and the movers can't get the couch up the stairs/through the door/into the room, whose fault is everyone (including you) going to say it is that you can't use the couch? *Yours* for not determining that the device (couch) was appropriate for your environment before buying. This idea that somehow computer hardware is different (fostered by MS, where everything supposedly 'JustWorks') is completely contrary to knowledge and experience we have of the Real World --where you can't just buy 'anything' without checking something first (you try on clothes, or at least check the size, you make sure that electrical appliances have the right connectors for your wiring or needs, heck, if nothing else you make sure the color matches your room or shoes). Judgement is an 'admin-level task', and it is unavoidable that judgement should be involved in such a situation as buying computer hardware (because we are currently unable to create computers that are able to either make such judgements for themselves, or are so flexible/standard that such judgement does not need to be made at all). The fact that the OS manufacturer with 90+% of the market is actively fostering the complete untruth that judgement is not only outdated and uncool, but furthermore completely unneccessary in Our Modern World (ha!) is, shall we say, deeply disturbing to me. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why is Joe part of 'system' ?
Philip Webb schreef: 050904 Holly Bostick wrote: I'm surprised no one has said, Look in /var/cache/edb/virtuals , where you will likely see that Joe is set as an in-use virtual/editor(s) on your actual system. Yes, it is, along with Vim Gvim Nano. However, (1) that file still lists virtual/alsa sys-kernel/gentoo-dev-sources virtual/dhcpc net-misc/dhcpcd virtual/dev-manager sys-fs/devfsd virtual/mpg123 media-sound/mpg123 (2) it was last updated 050122 . Re (1), I don't have a sound card have removed all the sound packages, so 'alsa' 'mpg123' should not be listed: really, sound is not a requirement of any kind for a working system; I removed Dhcpcd 041114, as it had ceased to be part of 'system'; Devfsd was one of the requirements which caused me to ask the question. Re (2) following from (1), the file doesn't seem to be accurate nor does it seem to be kept upto-date by anything: the only package I emerged 050122 was Bin86 , needed to handle the MBR. So thanx for your fresh point, but it really just raised another question. My basic purpose is to understand how the Gentoo system works sometimes -- probably here -- this uncovers strange activities which have been going on underneath some stone unnoticed by everyone. I would be interested in this question as well, since in the course of looking at this file I noticed: sys-fs/devfsd still listed (along with udev) as virtual/dev-manager (devfsd was still installed, so I uninstalled it and the entry was not removed); sys-kernel/mm-sources still listed (along with gentoo-sources) as providing linux-sources and alsa, despite the fact that all versions of mm-sources have long been removed (I never used it, actually). I removed the redundant entries manually, and have so far encountered no problems (and expect none), but I do find it odd that I had to do that at all, and would love to know why. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild for Lost Labyrinth
Alright, i have made a laby-1.1.0.ebuild. This time I won't email it to the list, anyone who wants it can fetch it from my server: http://rout.dyndns.org/laby/laby-1.1.0.ebuild I would like people to test it as I have changed a few things, notably : 1. moved it to /opt/laby because /opt seems to be the gentoo place for binary ebuilds, laby seems to need to have its highscores file in the same dir as the binary (which means it shouldn't be in /usr because we aren't supposed to have programs write there). 2. moved creation of the wrapper script into the ebuild. 3. used (probably too many) die statements to make sure it bails on failure. Please report any errors in use of the ebuild. This time I really am going to post it to bugs.gentoo.org, its just that Markus keeps delivering new versions. In particular please make sure highscores works, I am no games player and can't get into the highscores table to check it works! On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 23:48 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: Hy Nick, I just uploaded Version 1.1.0 where I have rewritten the whole laby kernel. Now everthing works a lot better. All known bugs are fixed too! Please do not use the old version 1.0.5, because I discovered a lot of nasty bugs in this version! The new version is a good one! Markus -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why is Joe part of 'system' ?
On Sunday 04 September 2005 20:23, Holly Bostick wrote: Like 7 people have said that Joe provides virtual/editor, which of course it does. What I'm surprised at is that no one has said, Look in /var/cache/edb/virtuals, where you will likely see that Joe is set as (one of) the in-use virtual/editor(s) on your actual system. Unfortunantly portage no longer uses that, it generates/checks virtuals on the fly I believe. This is the contents on /var/cache/edb on a machine I installed from 2005.1 just recently. nicole ~ # ls -lh /var/cache/edb/ total 12K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 Sep 1 20:46 counter drwxrwsr-x 4 root portage 4.0K Aug 25 19:13 dep -rw-rw-r-- 1 root portage 1.1K Sep 1 20:46 mtimedb -- Mike Williams -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why is Joe part of 'system' ?
On Monday 05 September 2005 04:23, Holly Bostick wrote: What I'm surprised at is that no one has said, Look in /var/cache/edb/virtuals, where you will likely see that Joe is set as (one of) the in-use virtual/editor(s) on your actual system. /var/cache/edb/virtuals is a relic from 2.0.50. In that big message displayed at the end of merging any of the 2.0.51 series that nobody reads, it states that virtuals are now calculated on the fly. -- Jason Stubbs pgpugT19rSd3S.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why is Joe part of 'system' ?
Jason Stubbs schreef: On Monday 05 September 2005 04:23, Holly Bostick wrote: What I'm surprised at is that no one has said, Look in /var/cache/edb/virtuals, where you will likely see that Joe is set as (one of) the in-use virtual/editor(s) on your actual system. /var/cache/edb/virtuals is a relic from 2.0.50. In that big message displayed at the end of merging any of the 2.0.51 series that nobody reads, it states that virtuals are now calculated on the fly. So I could delete the whole file without consequence? And OK, doesn't that mean that someone should submit an enhancement bug to b.g.o indicating that Portage should check whether you are emerging *one of* the packages that provides a given virtual, or whether you're unmerging *the only* package that provides a virtual (similar to the previous SLOTS issue)? Maybe it's time to start cleaning up 'big scary messages' that alarm users unnecessarily (because unmerging Joe in this instance is not going to break anything, but there are instances where it might, yet the message does not distinguish one way or another). Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Solved[gentoo-user] strange boot problems with gentoo-sources-2.6.12-r10
On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 09:14 +0300, Rumen Yotov wrote: Hi All, The day before yesterday compiled/booted/worked with this 'new' kernel - gentoo-sources-2.6.12-r10 (after -r9). Changelog only says it's based on 2.6.12.6 and there are two fixed Bugs for AMD-64 a forcedeth problem (i'm on 32-bits don't have forcedeth). Went for it cause wanted to try 'vesafb-tng' (splashutils). Works OK. Think the later problems came from the vesafb-tng thing, which replaced my previous 'bootsplash' feature/theme. On first two/three runs it boots/works OK (nice work with that splash-themes). Yesterday the problems began, still while booting, errors appeared while starting 'svscan' (part of daemontools - i run tinydnsqmail) with messages about the filesystem being 'read-only' etc and as it retries to start endlessly things are doomed. Had to use Live-CD to fix the errors. Returned to -r9, disabled 'svscan' on boot - works w/o flaws, later even could start 'svscan' manually. This is just as info and eventually if somebodies have any experiences. Will try -r10 w/o starting 'svscan' look at the 2.6.12.6-Changelog, but most probably will try out 2.6.13 (in testing or when it comes out). Thank for your time. Rumen Hi, Found the culpit (or seems so), was /etc/init.d/splash started in 'default level'. Could try starting it in boot-level but too much problems afterwards, so leave it turned off. Now w/o it my system is OK again - kernel-2.6.12-r10 with splash. Rumen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-user] Looking for info of Gentoo on zSeries or S/390
Hi Gentoo Users, Can anyone out there point me to some links of Gentoo installations on IBM mainframes - zSeries or S/390? I've had a look in Google, and the only useful link I found was: http://dev.gentoo.org/~vapier/s390/ The steps mentioned state that you're installing Gentoo from an already existing Linux installation. Wondering if anyone has heard of how you'd do it from scratch. I'm just curious on this topic... it's not like I have access to a mainframe to do it (yet). :-) Thanks in advance, ...Ric -- Ric de France Ph: +61412945554 (international) or 0412945554 (Australia) == Do you, uh... Gentoo? Gent-hooo!! == -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gtkrc-2.0 file
LostSon wrote: Hello I seem to have lost my gtkrc-2.0 file could someone send me theirs, thanks. LostSon Really the stuff in this file can depend on what you have installed on your system (fonts, themes, etc). You can install x11-themes/gtk-chtheme which will create a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 based on the themes/fonts you select. -- Write a wise saying and your name will live forever. -- Anonymous Aaron Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ BSD | commonbox | cron | cvs-utils | mips | netmon | shell-tools | vim ] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why is Joe part of 'system' ?
On Monday 05 September 2005 20:44, Holly Bostick wrote: Jason Stubbs schreef: /var/cache/edb/virtuals is a relic from 2.0.50. In that big message displayed at the end of merging any of the 2.0.51 series that nobody reads, it states that virtuals are now calculated on the fly. So I could delete the whole file without consequence? Yes. And OK, doesn't that mean that someone should submit an enhancement bug to b.g.o indicating that Portage should check whether you are emerging *one of* the packages that provides a given virtual, or whether you're unmerging *the only* package that provides a virtual (similar to the previous SLOTS issue)? Maybe it's time to start cleaning up 'big scary messages' that alarm users unnecessarily (because unmerging Joe in this instance is not going to break anything, but there are instances where it might, yet the message does not distinguish one way or another). I've already posted a patch to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for feedback as the issue came up there as well. Apparently there was another dev that was aware of the issue, but he never spoke up and I have not seen any bugs with regard to this either. Maybe it's time to start reporting? -- Jason Stubbs pgpAtTjDT7uN1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT: favorite window manager/desktop environ?
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who was is said the only truly intuitive user interface is the tit? Somebody who never had children: babies and moms have to _learn_ how to nurse, and sometimes aren't able to pull it off. john. -- genehack.org * weblog == ( bioinfo / linux / opinion / stuff ) * daily * Don't compare floating point numbers just for equality. - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan Plaugher) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
Hi, Is it possible to put Windows XP an a second drive in a Linux box and have Windows be happy? 1) I'm pretty sure that grub will have no problems with this, correct? 2) Will Windows be happy if it's the only OS on a non-boot drive? I've done lots of dual boot machines before but there were always Windows on the main drive and System Commander to get me to Linux. I don't want to use System Commander this time. Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
Windows doesn't care where it's system files are installed (XP that is) except that I remember it needs a partition on C to put it's boot stuff.like boot.ini. From: Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/05 Mon AM 09:38:39 EDT To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive? Hi, Is it possible to put Windows XP an a second drive in a Linux box and have Windows be happy? 1) I'm pretty sure that grub will have no problems with this, correct? 2) Will Windows be happy if it's the only OS on a non-boot drive? I've done lots of dual boot machines before but there were always Windows on the main drive and System Commander to get me to Linux. I don't want to use System Commander this time. Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 06:38 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, Is it possible to put Windows XP an a second drive in a Linux box and have Windows be happy? 1) I'm pretty sure that grub will have no problems with this, correct? 2) Will Windows be happy if it's the only OS on a non-boot drive? I've done lots of dual boot machines before but there were always Windows on the main drive and System Commander to get me to Linux. I don't want to use System Commander this time. Thanks, Mark Yes it is quite possible i used to have XP on a second HD as slave and it worked fine. Grub is quite easy to config so shouldnt be any problems there at all. Then i discovered hot swap bays. -- LostSon http://www.lostsonsvault.org -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
Am Montag, den 05.09.2005, 06:38 -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: Hi, Is it possible to put Windows XP an a second drive in a Linux box and have Windows be happy? Should work. 1) I'm pretty sure that grub will have no problems with this, correct? Not really since Windows XP will quite likely overwrite the MBR of the bootable partition. I guess you will have to re-install Grub afterwards. But I'd say that's harmless. 2) Will Windows be happy if it's the only OS on a non-boot drive? No Windows version that I know of had ever a problem with that. I've done lots of dual boot machines before but there were always Windows on the main drive and System Commander to get me to Linux. I don't want to use System Commander this time. What's System Commander? BTW it doesn't make much difference to install Windows and Linux the other way round. As long as you install and correctly configure Grub or Lilo afterwards. Thanks, Mark -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinz Sporn SPORN it-freelancing Mobile: ++43 (0)699 / 127 827 07 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.sporn-it.com Snail: Steyrer Str. 20 A-4540 Bad Hall Austria / Europe -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
Thanks Brett. I did think that Windows cared where it's boot loader was and that it had to be the first partition on the drive. Is that not true? Thanks again, Mark On 9/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Windows doesn't care where it's system files are installed (XP that is) except that I remember it needs a partition on C to put it's boot stuff.like boot.ini. From: Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/05 Mon AM 09:38:39 EDT To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive? Hi, Is it possible to put Windows XP an a second drive in a Linux box and have Windows be happy? 1) I'm pretty sure that grub will have no problems with this, correct? 2) Will Windows be happy if it's the only OS on a non-boot drive? I've done lots of dual boot machines before but there were always Windows on the main drive and System Commander to get me to Linux. I don't want to use System Commander this time. Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /dev/cdrom has gone!
thanks to all... i finally get the cdrom work, not perfectly though, i change the BIOS setting that use S-ATA only instead and keep P-ATA enabled, which makes cdrom the primary 1st, the sata drive recognized as primary third. (i hate such layout !! i prefer the hard disk to be the primary first and recognized as hda). at last, the sata drive was recognized as sda, so that's the whole story, now i'm wondering what on earth are the changes made with those BIOS settings, and how it affect the kernel? (because whatever i configure, the M$ Windows just works perfectly). i would not think the problem solved already, i'll take a look at this later. thanks again. daniel On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 02:35:51PM -0400, Greg Yasko wrote: On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 18:19:37 +0800, danielhf wrote: i upgrade my system to use udev instead of previously known devfs, and leave the devfs option blank while configure the kernel, but recently, i found i could not mount my cdrom, there is no such device at all! the /dev/cdrom and the like has gone! any ideas please, thanks a lot. - daniel I had the same problem several months ago when I upgraded to the 2.6 kernel and udev. Just boot off the livecd, mount the / partition and delete .devfsd from the /dev directory. That should do it. Hope this helps. -G.Y. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
On Monday September 5 2005 8:50 am, Mark Knecht wrote: Thanks Brett. I did think that Windows cared where it's boot loader was and that it had to be the first partition on the drive. Is that not true? Windows bootloader needs to be on the first nfs/vfat partition on the boot drive and that partition must be active/bootable. However, if using Grub you don't need Windows bootloader. ie: # Windows title Windows rootnoverify (hd1,0) chainloader +1 This loads windows on hdb1 partition. -jm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
On Monday 05 September 2005 13:50, Mark Knecht wrote: I did think that Windows cared where it's boot loader was and that it had to be the first partition on the drive. Is that not true? I have the same impression but I've never tried to install wormOS on a second hard disk. Either way, if you encounter problems because of that you can bypass it by adding the following lines in your grub.conf map (hd0) (hd1) map (hd1) (hd0) This will (virtually) swap your hard drives. -- Cheers, Alex. pgp62JKxMwwxr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
On 9/5/05, Heinz Sporn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, den 05.09.2005, 06:38 -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: Hi, Is it possible to put Windows XP an a second drive in a Linux box and have Windows be happy? Should work. 1) I'm pretty sure that grub will have no problems with this, correct? Not really since Windows XP will quite likely overwrite the MBR of the bootable partition. I guess you will have to re-install Grub afterwards. But I'd say that's harmless. This is what I want to avoid. grub and Gentoo are on /dev/hda Windows will go on /dev/hdc or /dev/hde I do not want windows to write anything on /dev/hda I know the no one here can truly guarantee what Windows will do but there's little point in me doing this work if it's known to overwrite my main drive.. 2) Will Windows be happy if it's the only OS on a non-boot drive? No Windows version that I know of had ever a problem with that. I've done lots of dual boot machines before but there were always Windows on the main drive and System Commander to get me to Linux. I don't want to use System Commander this time. What's System Commander? BTW it doesn't make much difference to install Windows and Linux the other way round. As long as you install and correctly configure Grub or Lilo afterwards. System Commander is a Windows and/or DOS-based bootloader. Nice program with the ability to resize all partitions on the hard drive so that you can give more or less space to each OS. Makes it easy to have multiple copies of windows, as well as Linux when I was gettign started with Linux. Unfortunately it doesn't work with things like reiserfs, xfs, etc., and it's required to be loaded in a M$ partition. Since I don't use Windows too much anymore I don't want to go on using SC. http://www.v-com.com/product/System_Commander_Home.html Thanks! - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /dev/cdrom has gone!
On Monday 05 September 2005 09:56 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks to all... i finally get the cdrom work, not perfectly though, i change the BIOS setting that use S-ATA only instead and keep P-ATA enabled, which makes cdrom the primary 1st, the sata drive recognized as primary third. (i hate such layout !! i prefer the hard disk to be the primary first and recognized as hda). at last, the sata drive was recognized as sda, so that's the whole story, now i'm wondering what on earth are the changes made with those BIOS settings, and how it affect the kernel? (because whatever i configure, the M$ Windows just works perfectly). i would not think the problem solved already, i'll take a look at this later. thanks again. daniel On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 02:35:51PM -0400, Greg Yasko wrote: On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 18:19:37 +0800, danielhf wrote: i upgrade my system to use udev instead of previously known devfs, and leave the devfs option blank while configure the kernel, but recently, i found i could not mount my cdrom, there is no such device at all! the /dev/cdrom and the like has gone! any ideas please, thanks a lot. - daniel I had the same problem several months ago when I upgraded to the 2.6 kernel and udev. Just boot off the livecd, mount the / partition and delete .devfsd from the /dev directory. That should do it. Hope this helps. -G.Y. I just had a similar problem after I updated udev (I think). I run ~x86 systems, always kept current, so I expect a few minor hiccups, even though I'm extremely careful with etc-update. There seems to be some weird stuff going on with udev, at least on my system, but after a lot of reading on the formum, and trying many things, I tried changing my fstab line /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,rw,user 0 0 to this. /dev/hdc/mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,rw,user 0 0 I think some rule in the new udev changed, and it wasn't creating cdroms and cdrom0 anymore- only /dev/hdc. I looked in /dev, and sure enough, the cdrom and cdrw links point to the hdc block device. Anyway, whatever it was, changing the fstab line now lets me mount cdroms normally, as before. Robert Crawford -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
Am Montag, den 05.09.2005, 06:50 -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: Thanks Brett. I did think that Windows cared where it's boot loader was and that it had to be the first partition on the drive. Is that not true? You don't have to confuse a bootloader with Windows loader modules like NTLDR or stuff like that. If we're talking harddisk boot a booloader has to sit on the first sector of the first track (= MBR, master boot record) on the drive in question. When you boot a PC the last thing a BIOS does is to read the MBR and execute the code that is supposed to be a boot loader. The bootloader then will actually load an OS from a specific partition. BTW someone on the list wrote Windows bootloader needs to be on the first nfs/vfat partition on the boot drive and that partition must be active/bootable. That is not correct since even Windows bootloaders have to follow the rules. A bootloader sits in the MBR. At boot time (that's when the BIOS rules) there's no such thing like partitions. Thanks again, Mark On 9/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Windows doesn't care where it's system files are installed (XP that is) except that I remember it needs a partition on C to put it's boot stuff.like boot.ini. From: Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/05 Mon AM 09:38:39 EDT To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive? Hi, Is it possible to put Windows XP an a second drive in a Linux box and have Windows be happy? 1) I'm pretty sure that grub will have no problems with this, correct? 2) Will Windows be happy if it's the only OS on a non-boot drive? I've done lots of dual boot machines before but there were always Windows on the main drive and System Commander to get me to Linux. I don't want to use System Commander this time. Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinz Sporn SPORN it-freelancing Mobile: ++43 (0)699 / 127 827 07 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.sporn-it.com Snail: Steyrer Str. 20 A-4540 Bad Hall Austria / Europe -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT: favorite window manager/desktop environ?
Holly Bostick wrote: Matt Randolph schreef: [I just thought I'd chip in my two cents on the question of whether Linux is easy or hard. It's turned into more like my $11.62, so it's a good thing it's broken into sections.] Linux is easy. snip of Matt's tour-de-force, virtually all of which I agree with, except it still assumes that a 'knowledgeable user'; i.e. an admin, is involved, which was the point of the whole debate-- Windows users believe that they should always be 'pure users' and the very fact that they or someone must 'admin' Linux automatically makes it too hard The only thing that is harder to do in the Linux world that in the Windows world is to find commercial software and some driver support. In the Windows world, you don't have to ask yourself is this software available for my OS? In the Windows world, you buy the hardware first and then check to see if it's compatible AFTER you start having trouble getting it to work in your computer. Which is, btw, completely bass-ackward to start with, which was my original point (the assumption that 'pure user, no admin necessary' is possible is fundamentally wrong, and patently false based on the observed evidence). You can't buy a couch on a whim without taking into account the measurements of your doors/room first (well you can, but if you can't get it into your house, no vendor is going to say, 'oh, sorry, that's my fault'). If you do, and the movers can't get the couch up the stairs/through the door/into the room, whose fault is everyone (including you) going to say it is that you can't use the couch? *Yours* for not determining that the device (couch) was appropriate for your environment before buying. This idea that somehow computer hardware is different (fostered by MS, where everything supposedly 'JustWorks') is completely contrary to knowledge and experience we have of the Real World --where you can't just buy 'anything' without checking something first (you try on clothes, or at least check the size, you make sure that electrical appliances have the right connectors for your wiring or needs, heck, if nothing else you make sure the color matches your room or shoes). Judgement is an 'admin-level task', and it is unavoidable that judgement should be involved in such a situation as buying computer hardware (because we are currently unable to create computers that are able to either make such judgements for themselves, or are so flexible/standard that such judgement does not need to be made at all). The fact that the OS manufacturer with 90+% of the market is actively fostering the complete untruth that judgement is not only outdated and uncool, but furthermore completely unneccessary in Our Modern World (ha!) is, shall we say, deeply disturbing to me. Holly I don't think Knoppix really has an administrator. It really is an enduser only flavour of Linux. It's sort of a fire and forget distro. Sure, someone had to go to a lot of trouble to get it set up just right in the first place, but once that was done it can perform reliably without further administrative intervention. The enduser not only probably won't set the root password, the enduser doesn't even need to know that it is unset. Or even that a root account exists! I don't believe this sort of user experience is limited to read-only systems like Knoppix, though. Look at Lindows/Linspire. How about those $200 Linux computers they are (or were) selling at Wal*Mart (strewth!). I expect those machines ARE intended to provide the enduser with an essentially administratorless (to coin a word) experience. Linspire (at least used to) have the user running everything as root. But do you think the enduser always knows that? I think the enduser simply knows that when they pay to install OpenOffice.org from Linspire's private apt servers, it just works; it installs without their ever having to `su` or `sudo` or anything. That Linspire user essentially is the admin, though she doesn't know it and she almost certainly doesn't behave like one. That's true for Windows XP users too (personal users, at least). The default Windows XP account runs everything with administrative privileges. But that doesn't mean there's an admin at the controls. Microsoft has tried to shift the most frequently performed critical administrative task, namely installing security updates, from the user's shoulders onto their own. I think portage and apt achieve similar (nay, superior) functionality for Linux users, and I don't think that's a bad thing. Should Linux users be able to get away without administering their systems? Well, I think Linspire users should be able to get away without administering their systems themselves. For their target users, Linspire systems should me largely maintenance free. For these people, any administrative tasks that must be performed should probably be handled by corporate HQ as much as possible.
[gentoo-user] beagle compile
Hi, Beagle seems to throw this error on emerge, I don't have a clue at all why. I used the following: beagle-0.0.12-r1.ebuild from the bug-site mono-1.1.8.3 error CS0006: Cannot find assembly `BeagleWebServicesBackEnd.dll' Log: error CS0006: Cannot find assembly `BeagleWebServicesFrontEnd.dll' Log: What could it be? the rest of the error msg is the following: Compilation failed: 2 error(s), 0 warnings make[2]: *** [IndexHelper.exe] Error 1 make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs ./WebServices/ExternalAccessFilter.cs(86) warning CS0219: The variable 'fa' is assigned but its value is never used ./WebServices/WebBackEnd.cs(715) warning CS0219: The variable 'j' is assigned but its value is never used Compilation succeeded - 2 warning(s) make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/beagle-0.0.12-r1/work/beagle-0.0.12/beagled' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/beagle-0.0.12-r1/work/beagle-0.0.12' make: *** [all] Error 2 Thanks KArsten -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
Am Montag, den 05.09.2005, 07:17 -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: On 9/5/05, Heinz Sporn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, den 05.09.2005, 06:38 -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: Hi, Is it possible to put Windows XP an a second drive in a Linux box and have Windows be happy? Should work. 1) I'm pretty sure that grub will have no problems with this, correct? Not really since Windows XP will quite likely overwrite the MBR of the bootable partition. I guess you will have to re-install Grub afterwards. But I'd say that's harmless. This is what I want to avoid. grub and Gentoo are on /dev/hda Windows will go on /dev/hdc or /dev/hde I do not want windows to write anything on /dev/hda I know the no one here can truly guarantee what Windows will do but there's little point in me doing this work if it's known to overwrite my main drive.. Maybe I don't understand the problem here. Gentoo is installed, right? Now you want to install windows, right? Do that. When you're finished put in you Gentoo LiveCD, chroot to your still existing Linux (Windows just overwrites the MBR nothing else) and re-run grub with root (hd0,0) and setup (hd0). Then add a section to grub.conf: title=Windows 2000 root (hd1,0) chainloader +1 And you're done. Been there, done that ;-) 2) Will Windows be happy if it's the only OS on a non-boot drive? No Windows version that I know of had ever a problem with that. I've done lots of dual boot machines before but there were always Windows on the main drive and System Commander to get me to Linux. I don't want to use System Commander this time. What's System Commander? BTW it doesn't make much difference to install Windows and Linux the other way round. As long as you install and correctly configure Grub or Lilo afterwards. System Commander is a Windows and/or DOS-based bootloader. Nice program with the ability to resize all partitions on the hard drive so that you can give more or less space to each OS. Makes it easy to have multiple copies of windows, as well as Linux when I was gettign started with Linux. Unfortunately it doesn't work with things like reiserfs, xfs, etc., and it's required to be loaded in a M$ partition. Since I don't use Windows too much anymore I don't want to go on using SC. http://www.v-com.com/product/System_Commander_Home.html Thanks! - Mark -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinz Sporn SPORN it-freelancing Mobile: ++43 (0)699 / 127 827 07 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.sporn-it.com Snail: Steyrer Str. 20 A-4540 Bad Hall Austria / Europe -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /dev/cdrom has gone!
On Monday 05 Sep 2005 15:31, Robert Crawford wrote: I just had a similar problem after I updated udev (I think). I run ~x86 systems, always kept current, so I expect a few minor hiccups, even though I'm extremely careful with etc-update. There seems to be some weird stuff going on with udev, at least on my system, but after a lot of reading on the formum, and trying many things, I tried changing my fstab line /dev/cdroms/cdrom0/mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,rw,user 0 0 to this. /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,rw,user 0 0 I think some rule in the new udev changed, and it wasn't creating cdroms and cdrom0 anymore- only /dev/hdc. I looked in /dev, and sure enough, the cdrom and cdrw links point to the hdc block device. Anyway, whatever it was, changing the fstab line now lets me mount cdroms normally, as before. Robert Crawford I assume that as you are running ~x86 you have upgraded to gentoo-sources version 2.6.13. In that version devfs has been removed (well the config option has gone, the code is still there). The /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 style of device file name is a part of devfs, so if with earlier kernels you still had devfs enabled in the kernel, despite running udev, then you would have gotten the /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 link. I am running x86 and running with udev but with devfs still in the kernel. Yesterday I disabled devfs on one of the machines so that I could see what would break in preparation for 2.6.13 moving to x86. I experienced exactly your problem of /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 disappearing. Fortunately the solution is simple, as you describe above. Steve -- Steve EvansE-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB:http://www.gorbag.com Registered Linux user #217906: http://counter.li.org Public Encryption Key: http://www.gorbag.com/public-key.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] [OT] Ebuild for mod_php-5.0.4 is missing.
Hi there, I emerge synced today and noticed that the ebuild for mod_php 5.0.4 is missing. Looking over packages.gentoo.org and it is not there either. What happened? Was it a developers decision? If so, why? Thanks, Raphael -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 07:17:37 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: grub and Gentoo are on /dev/hda Windows will go on /dev/hdc or /dev/hde I do not want windows to write anything on /dev/hda It will, because MS assumes you'll be using the windows bootloader. I know the no one here can truly guarantee what Windows will do but there's little point in me doing this work if it's known to overwrite my main drive.. It won't overwrite the drive, just the part of the MBR containing the bootloader code. You'll just need to run grub from a live CD and do root (hd0,X) setup (hd0) to restore it. -- Neil Bothwick Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. pgpqbP8yarP1f.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Alsa problems - Using Alsa-driver and Ensoniq ens1371
Hi, I'm having trouble getting sound to work with the kernel linux-2.6.12-gentoo-r10. I always have used genkernel, and reemerge alsa-driver after a new kernel is made. I've followed the directions of the alsa section of the handbook, but it won't work. I've gotten sound to work on another computer I have that doesnt' have the same type of sound card. Does anyone else have trouble with Ensoniq ES1371? Thanks, Bill Six __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Need help
hi all, i'am new to gentoo and i downloaded 2 gentoo CD'z , universal and packages CD. i want to combine them on one DVD , any help ? thanks in advance.
[gentoo-user] authorization faliure when sending email
I've looked everywhere for a solution to this problem. When I try to send an email from kmail I get the following message: Sending failed: Authentication failed. Most likely the password is wrong. The server responded: authorization failed (#5.7.0) I can receive emails and I can send them from the webmail client. The settings in kmail are correct and worked fine last week. I've checked with the service provider and no settings for the smtp server have been changed. No one else in the lab is having problems sending emails. It seems to me that the problem is in my laptop. But I've no clue where to look. On Friday I did an emerge --update --deep world, followed by etc-update (nothing obvious changed) then emerge --depclean, revdep-rebuild, but nothing was emerged or changed that looked like it would affect the network settings (apart from dhcpcd, but I tried reverting to the previous version, but it made no difference). Obviously something did change! But what I don't know. Last night I redid the whole thing with --newuse to see if that would fix the problem no joy. Packages emerged: gcc-config-1.3.12-r2 gnuconfig-20050602 binutils-config-1.8-r5 sandbox-1.2.12 glib-2.6.5 gentoo-sources-2.6.12-r10 libpcre-6.3 gawk-3.1.4-r4 udev-068 unzip-5.52 gtk+-2.6.8 gimp-2.2.8-r1 dhcpcd-2.0.0 gconf-2.10.1-r1 gstreamer-0.8.10 gst-plugins-0.8.10 gst-plugins-vorbis-0.8.10 gst-plugins-alsa-0.8.10 gst-plugins-oss-0.8.10 gst-plugins-ogg-0.8.10 gst-plugins-mad-0.8.10 mplayer-1.0_pre7-r1 Packages removed by --depclean knetattach-3.4.1 (reemerged) kxkb-3.4.1 kdcop-3.4.1 ksysguard-3.4.1 kappfinder-3.4.1 kfind-3.4.1. (reemerged) kdebugdialog-3.4.1 kpager-3.4.1 ksystraycmd-3.4.1 kstart-3.4.1 ktip-3.4.1 kdepasswd-3.4.1 faad2-2.0-r3 drkonqi-3.4.1 kdebase-meta-3.4.1 Dr. Matthew R. Lee. 11 Briar Drive, Heswall, Wirral, Merseyside. CH60 5RW United Kingdom. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT: favorite window manager/desktop environ?
Matt Randolph schreef: Holly Bostick wrote: In the Windows world, you don't have to ask yourself is this software available for my OS? In the Windows world, you buy the hardware first and then check to see if it's compatible AFTER you start having trouble getting it to work in your computer. Which is, btw, completely bass-ackward to start with, which was my original point (the assumption that 'pure user, no admin necessary' is possible is fundamentally wrong, and patently false based on the observed evidence). snip I don't think Knoppix really has an administrator. It really is an enduser only flavour of Linux. It's sort of a fire and forget distro. Sure, someone had to go to a lot of trouble to get it set up just right in the first place, but once that was done it can perform reliably without further administrative intervention. The enduser not only probably won't set the root password, the enduser doesn't even need to know that it is unset. Or even that a root account exists! Interesting. But again, *someone* had to administer the system to set it up so that a user could be 'pure'. I don't believe this sort of user experience is limited to read-only systems like Knoppix, though. Look at Lindows/Linspire. How about those $200 Linux computers they are (or were) selling at Wal*Mart (strewth!). I expect those machines ARE intended to provide the enduser with an essentially administratorless (to coin a word) experience. Linspire (at least used to) have the user running everything as root. But do you think the enduser always knows that? I think the enduser simply knows that when they pay to install OpenOffice.org from Linspire's private apt servers, it just works; it installs without their ever having to `su` or `sudo` or anything. That Linspire user essentially is the admin, though she doesn't know it and she almost certainly doesn't behave like one. And many now question whether Linspire can even be called a Linux distribution for this and other reasons, despite the fact that it runs on a Linux kernel. We're all wondering if that is then the only requirement, or does it also need to follow 'the rules' to be counted? But that's a whole 'nother discussion. snip What I think I hear you saying is that being able to get away with this foolish behavior should not be one of our goals. I did not mean to imply that careless hardware shopping should be encouraged. Rather, I used this as an example to try to illustrate how lacking driver support slows the growth of Linux. If Linux is going to grow it's user base significantly, it's probably going to have to attract quite a few of those careless boobs too. And if Linux can't be made to work on their hardware, do you think they are going to run out and buy a new computer or will they simply rethink the decision to try Linux? Although careless hardware shopping should not be encouraged, being able to get away with it (that is, having nearly ubiquitous hardware support) should indeed be one of our goals. OK, I understand that, but... how exactly is allowing one to 'get away' with such behaviour not 'encouraging' such behaviour? If one has always been able to 'get away' with any behaviour, why would one think that any other behaviour is possible? If for my entire life, I have walked into stores, taken what I wanted, and left again (which is perfectly acceptable behaviour wherever I'm from), the day I walk into a real store, and get taken away by the police for 'stealing' (because I didn't pay, which I have never heard of and thus never even considered that a 'store' represents an 'exchange' of 'money' for 'goods'), it may be true that I have not been 'encouraged' to 'steal', but I definitely have been poorly trained in the actual working of The (rest of the) Real World, and that is not a good thing. Ubiquitous hardware support, on the one hand, is closer than you think (there's not all that much hardware that cannot, no matter what you do, be made to work under Linux; it's just not that it all JustWorks), and on the other hand is less relevant than you think (I have drivers that enable my ATI card to 'work' under Linux, but they suck, so whose fault is that? Not Linux's. Nor is it Linux's fault if I plug in my digicam and it is mounted, but I don't know how to get the dv output into Kino, or can't figure out how to properly mount my perfectly-well-detected Flash card to get my pictures into whatever graphics display or editing program I might use). The hardware works fine. But that's no help if I can't understand how to use it, or can't use it effectively. And enabling some kind of efficient communication between the hardware that is being properly detected by the kernel, and the programs the user uses to utilize the device is a design issue, which is an administrative task. If Wine/Cedega will run Morrowind using my ATI card under certain configurations,
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Ebuild for mod_php-5.0.4 is missing.
On 05/09/05, Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, I emerge synced today and noticed that the ebuild for mod_php 5.0.4 is missing. Looking over packages.gentoo.org and it is not there either. What happened? Was it a developers decision? If so, why? http://stu.gnqs.org/diary/gentoo.php/2005/09/04/php_overlay_packages_now_in_portage -- Richard Brown -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Ebuild for mod_php-5.0.4 is missing.
On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 12:04 -0300, Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales wrote: Hi there, I emerge synced today and noticed that the ebuild for mod_php 5.0.4 is missing. Looking over packages.gentoo.org and it is not there either. What happened? Was it a developers decision? If so, why? Thanks, Raphael Hi, Check the latest Gentoo Weekly Newsletter: there are info, links for a dual PHP4/PHP5 (SLOTed) overlay testing request. HTH. Rumen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Alsa problems - Using Alsa-driver and Ensoniq ens1371
On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 08:16 -0700, Bill Six wrote: Hi, I'm having trouble getting sound to work with the kernel linux-2.6.12-gentoo-r10. I always have used genkernel, and reemerge alsa-driver after a new kernel is made. I've followed the directions of the alsa section of the handbook, but it won't work. I've gotten sound to work on another computer I have that doesnt' have the same type of sound card. Does anyone else have trouble with Ensoniq ES1371? Thanks, Bill Six __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Hi, Can confirm it works with Gentoo for more then two years, till now. Check again the docs/config unmute the channels.Check the kernel-link. HTH. Rumen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Ebuild for mod_php-5.0.4 is missing.
Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales wrote: Hi there, I emerge synced today and noticed that the ebuild for mod_php 5.0.4 is missing. Looking over packages.gentoo.org and it is not there either. What happened? Was it a developers decision? If so, why? Thanks, Raphael maybe this[1] from gentoo-dev mailing list? yoyo [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/31064 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need help
On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 18:26 +0300, Haitham wrote: hi all, i'am new to gentoo and i downloaded 2 gentoo CD'z , universal and packages CD. i want to combine them on one DVD , any help ? thanks in advance. Hi, Check for a available DVDs (think there is one, but may be it's paid, part of the money goes to support Gentoo development) - www.gentoo.org Or burn the universal ISO to a DVD, but don't close the session (may be this isn't possible at all or hard) and add the Package-CD to it. IIRC there is a *warning* on the tab while using 'k3b' with sessions. HTH. Rumen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Alsa problems - Using Alsa-driver and Ensoniq ens1371
Hi, Can confirm it works with Gentoo for more then two years, till now. Are you saying it's not working for you too? Check again the docs/config unmute the channels.Check the kernel-link. I've checked over the docs a few times, and made sure to unmute the channels. When I unmute PCM and set it to 100%, I hear a little fuzzy sound on my speakers, but still get no sound. What do you mean by check the kernel-link? Thanks, Bill HTH. Rumen __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] groff vs. Japanese
I think there's a bug in one of the updates these days: if you have Japanese activated in /etc/make.conf:LINGUAS, emerge wants to install a new set of Japanese man pages, which however is blocked by groff-1.19. It's not a big problem here as I just wanted CJK support for this machine at a linguistics department, but just to let you know... groff-1.19 is in stable, so something that doesn't work with it shouldn't go into stable, should it? app-i18n/man-pages-ja requires 1.18. regards Matthias -- I prefer encrypted and signed messages. KeyID: 90CF8389 Fingerprint: 8E 1F 10 81 A4 66 29 46 B9 8A B9 E2 09 9F 3B 91 pgpn6HHFnMi4l.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Alsa problems - Using Alsa-driver and Ensoniq ens1371
Hi, On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 09:15 -0700, Bill Six wrote: Hi, Can confirm it works with Gentoo for more then two years, till now. Are you saying it's not working for you too? it *is* working for me. Not a native speaker, sorry ;) Check again the docs/config unmute the channels.Check the kernel-link. I've checked over the docs a few times, and made sure to unmute the channels. When I unmute PCM and set it to 100%, I hear a little fuzzy sound on my speakers, but still get no sound. What do you mean by check the kernel-link? Using alsamixer unmute 'Master' too. Not to 100% around 70% is enough. Alsa-driver is a kernel module (this one only if you are using external alsa-driver /as ebuild/ and *not* the in-kernel alsa-driver). Kernel modules always use/compile against the kernel-link (/usr/src/linux) which is a symlink and points to some kernel in /usr/src directory (i have three kernels). Compare the link to uname -a output. Thanks, Bill ...SKIP... HTH. Rumen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /dev/cdrom has gone!
On Monday 05 September 2005 10:51 am, Steve Evans wrote: On Monday 05 Sep 2005 15:31, Robert Crawford wrote: I just had a similar problem after I updated udev (I think). I run ~x86 systems, always kept current, so I expect a few minor hiccups, even though I'm extremely careful with etc-update. There seems to be some weird stuff going on with udev, at least on my system, but after a lot of reading on the formum, and trying many things, I tried changing my fstab line /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,rw,user 0 0 to this. /dev/hdc/mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,rw,user 0 0 I think some rule in the new udev changed, and it wasn't creating cdroms and cdrom0 anymore- only /dev/hdc. I looked in /dev, and sure enough, the cdrom and cdrw links point to the hdc block device. Anyway, whatever it was, changing the fstab line now lets me mount cdroms normally, as before. Robert Crawford I assume that as you are running ~x86 you have upgraded to gentoo-sources version 2.6.13. In that version devfs has been removed (well the config option has gone, the code is still there). The /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 style of device file name is a part of devfs, so if with earlier kernels you still had devfs enabled in the kernel, despite running udev, then you would have gotten the /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 link. I am running x86 and running with udev but with devfs still in the kernel. Yesterday I disabled devfs on one of the machines so that I could see what would break in preparation for 2.6.13 moving to x86. I experienced exactly your problem of /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 disappearing. Fortunately the solution is simple, as you describe above. Steve -- Steve EvansE-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB:http://www.gorbag.com Registered Linux user #217906: http://counter.li.org Public Encryption Key: http://www.gorbag.com/public-key.html Steve, What you say makes perfect sense, but I'm still not sure I have an understanding of what has changed. I always compile my own kernels from vanilla, and patches, so I haven't used gentoo-sources in at least 2 years. My current kernel is 2.6.13-gvivid (based on 2.6.13 final), which works great, and is where I first noticed this cdrom problem. I did notice that devfs had finally been removed. However, when I boot with other previous kernels (2.6.12.x- vivid and nitro, and 2.6.12.3 vanilla), the problem remains. This leads me to believe that somehow it's the newest udev version causing and some kind of compatibility issue with recent kernels. I haven't investigated this much, but it didn't happen with the previous udev version. Anyway, for now I'm content with the fstab hdc edit resolution, and happy to be rid of devfs.. Robert -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
It's been a long time since I did a multi boot Windows install. With Windows and the boot managers for Windows maybe it has to be. However, with Grub or LILO you set them up on the MBR, then tell them where to find Windows and it's all done from there. At initial boot there are no partitions. Way back when with Win98 and before they had to have the loaders on the C: drive to keep them happy. From: Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/05 Mon AM 09:50:29 EDT To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive? Thanks Brett. I did think that Windows cared where it's boot loader was and that it had to be the first partition on the drive. Is that not true? Thanks again, Mark On 9/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Windows doesn't care where it's system files are installed (XP that is) except that I remember it needs a partition on C to put it's boot stuff.like boot.ini. From: Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/05 Mon AM 09:38:39 EDT To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive? Hi, Is it possible to put Windows XP an a second drive in a Linux box and have Windows be happy? 1) I'm pretty sure that grub will have no problems with this, correct? 2) Will Windows be happy if it's the only OS on a non-boot drive? I've done lots of dual boot machines before but there were always Windows on the main drive and System Commander to get me to Linux. I don't want to use System Commander this time. Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /dev/cdrom has gone!
Page 5-6 of a long udev thread is good reading on recent udev problems. Robert http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-355069-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-100.html On Monday 05 September 2005 10:51 am, Steve Evans wrote: On Monday 05 Sep 2005 15:31, Robert Crawford wrote: I just had a similar problem after I updated udev (I think). I run ~x86 systems, always kept current, so I expect a few minor hiccups, even though I'm extremely careful with etc-update. There seems to be some weird stuff going on with udev, at least on my system, but after a lot of reading on the formum, and trying many things, I tried changing my fstab line /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,rw,user 0 0 to this. /dev/hdc/mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,rw,user 0 0 I think some rule in the new udev changed, and it wasn't creating cdroms and cdrom0 anymore- only /dev/hdc. I looked in /dev, and sure enough, the cdrom and cdrw links point to the hdc block device. Anyway, whatever it was, changing the fstab line now lets me mount cdroms normally, as before. Robert Crawford I assume that as you are running ~x86 you have upgraded to gentoo-sources version 2.6.13. In that version devfs has been removed (well the config option has gone, the code is still there). The /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 style of device file name is a part of devfs, so if with earlier kernels you still had devfs enabled in the kernel, despite running udev, then you would have gotten the /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 link. I am running x86 and running with udev but with devfs still in the kernel. Yesterday I disabled devfs on one of the machines so that I could see what would break in preparation for 2.6.13 moving to x86. I experienced exactly your problem of /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 disappearing. Fortunately the solution is simple, as you describe above. Steve -- Steve EvansE-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB:http://www.gorbag.com Registered Linux user #217906: http://counter.li.org Public Encryption Key: http://www.gorbag.com/public-key.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: authorization faliure when sending email
On Monday 05 September 2005 17:37, Matthew Lee wrote: Packages removed by --depclean knetattach-3.4.1 (reemerged) kxkb-3.4.1 kdcop-3.4.1 ksysguard-3.4.1 kappfinder-3.4.1 kfind-3.4.1. (reemerged) kdebugdialog-3.4.1 kpager-3.4.1 ksystraycmd-3.4.1 kstart-3.4.1 ktip-3.4.1 kdepasswd-3.4.1 I think kdepasswd may be the stopper, try to emerge it again. Not sure, though. Ciao Francesco -- Linux Version 2.6.12-gentoo-r6, Compiled #2 Wed Jul 27 18:03:14 CEST 2005 One 2.2GHz AMD Athlon 64 Processor, 2GB RAM, 4308.99 Bogomips Total aemaeth -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] authorization faliure when sending email
On 05 September 2005 17:37, Matthew Lee wrote: I've looked everywhere for a solution to this problem. When I try to send an email from kmail I get the following message: Sending failed: Authentication failed. Most likely the password is wrong. The server responded: authorization failed (#5.7.0) Does your SMTP server (for sending mails) actually require authentication? Uwe -- 95% of all programmers rate themselves among the top 5% of all software developers. - Linus Torvalds http://www.uwix.iway.na (last updated: 20.06.2004) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RESOLVED [gentoo-user] Apache vhosts revisited
It turns out that this (and probably the OPs problem as well) isnt related to Apache at all, but a networking issue. As long as the /etc/hosts files match on both machines, all is well It also turns out that, even though deprecated in the RFCs, an underscore is not legal in a virtual host name. Thanks to sub on the IRC channels for the input! John D -Original Message- From: John Dangler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:05 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Apache vhosts revisited Importance: High After going back through the entire thread dealing with the vhosts problem that was running here recently, I tried to setup my local fileserver with the default apache server, and adding 1 virtual host. my apache2.conf file is basically a default (out of the box) setup, with the line Include conf/vhosts/vhsots.conf uncommented so that it is included. my vhosts.conf file has NameVirtualHost 192.168.1.36:80 VirtualHost 192.168.1.36:80 ServerName Mambo DocumentRoot /var/www/localhost/htdocs /VirtualHost VirtualHost 192.168.1.36:80 ServerName GenoFit DocumentRoot /usr2/genofit/public Driectory /usr2/genofit/public order deny,allow Allow from all AllowOverride All Options FollowSymLinks /Directory /VirtualHost from the local machine, both hosts are accessible. from another machine on the same router (192.168.1.35): browsing to 192.168.1.36 gives me the Apache default page. browsing to 192.168.1.36/GenoFit gives me Not Found The requested URL /GenoFit was not found on the server browsing to 192.168.1.36/Mambo gives me Not Found The requested URL /Mambo was not found on the server ping works in both directions, so Im sure that its something I did/didnt do correctly in the config files. After reading through the wiki docs on virtual hosts, and the docs on the apache site (which are a little harder to digest), I think that the vhosts file is ok, but Im not sure about the apache2.conf file Any input is appreciated. John D -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: authorization faliure when sending email
I tried reemerging kdepasswd, it didn't solve the problem. In answer to the other question the SMTP server does require authentication. The settings I have now worked fine last week, which is why I'm sure it's something on my laptop, but not kmail itself. Dr. Matthew R. Lee. CASEB ECIM Depto de Ecologia P.U.Catolica de Chile Alameda 340, Santiago Chile [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Apache vhosts revisited
John Dangler wrote: After going back through the entire thread dealing with the vhosts problem that was running here recently, I tried to setup my local fileserver with the ‘default’ apache server, and adding 1 virtual host. my apache2.conf file is basically a default (out of the box) setup, with the line Include conf/vhosts/vhsots.conf uncommented so that it is included. my vhosts.conf file has NameVirtualHost 192.168.1.36:80 VirtualHost 192.168.1.36:80 ServerName Mambo DocumentRoot /var/www/localhost/htdocs /VirtualHost VirtualHost 192.168.1.36:80 ServerName GenoFit DocumentRoot /usr2/genofit/public Driectory /usr2/genofit/public order deny,allow Allow from all AllowOverride All Options FollowSymLinks /Directory /VirtualHost from the local machine, both hosts are accessible. from another machine on the same router (192.168.1.35): browsing to 192.168.1.36 gives me the Apache default page. browsing to 192.168.1.36/GenoFit gives me “Not Found” The requested URL /GenoFit was not found on the server browsing to 192.168.1.36/Mambo gives me “Not Found” The requested URL /Mambo was not found on the server ping works in both directions, so I’m sure that it’s something I did/didn’t do correctly in the config files. After reading through the wiki docs on virtual hosts, and the docs on the apache site (which are a little harder to digest), I think that the vhosts file is ok, but I’m not sure about the apache2.conf file… Any input is appreciated. John D I don't see much into this, but will it not be in confict if you use the same IP and port for 2 ServerNames? I would use different ports for these two webs instead. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: authorization faliure when sending email
Am Montag, 5. September 2005 21:56 schrieb Matthew Lee: I tried reemerging kdepasswd, it didn't solve the problem. In answer to the other question the SMTP server does require authentication. The settings I have now worked fine last week, which is why I'm sure it's something on my laptop, but not kmail itself. To make sure it is really a kmail problem, try to connect manually via telnet or another mail client like thunderbird or mozilla-mail. If this works, have you enabled store password in your connect settings? Try to disable it if you have and enter your credentials again,maybe the file the password is stored in is corrupted. You can also try to emerge kwalletmanager which is a password storage app for kde, its used by kmail if it's installed. HTH, Matze -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: authorization faliure when sending email
On Monday September 5 2005 2:56 pm, Matthew Lee wrote: I tried reemerging kdepasswd, it didn't solve the problem. In answer to the other question the SMTP server does require authentication. The settings I have now worked fine last week, which is why I'm sure it's something on my laptop, but not kmail itself. Try going into kmail settings for smtp, click on Modify then the Security tab and then Check what server supports. Even tho the setting didn't change, this has solved this problem for me in the past. -jm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Apache vhosts revisited
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:17:15 +0200, q-parser wrote: I don't see much into this, but will it not be in confict if you use the same IP and port for 2 ServerNames? No, this is how name based virtual hosting works. The browser sends a host: header with the request, Apache uses this to determine which virtual host to use to serve the content. It is possible to serve thousands of hosts from a single port and IP address. See the commented vhost config files and the documentation for a more complete explanation. I would use different ports for these two webs instead. That would require visitors to type a port number as well as the URI, something most web users are not accustomed to. -- Neil Bothwick Are you using Windows or is that just an XT? pgpoGE7M8Q8QG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
On 9/5/05, Heinz Sporn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, den 05.09.2005, 07:17 -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: On 9/5/05, Heinz Sporn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, den 05.09.2005, 06:38 -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: Hi, Is it possible to put Windows XP an a second drive in a Linux box and have Windows be happy? Should work. 1) I'm pretty sure that grub will have no problems with this, correct? Not really since Windows XP will quite likely overwrite the MBR of the bootable partition. I guess you will have to re-install Grub afterwards. But I'd say that's harmless. This is what I want to avoid. grub and Gentoo are on /dev/hda Windows will go on /dev/hdc or /dev/hde I do not want windows to write anything on /dev/hda I know the no one here can truly guarantee what Windows will do but there's little point in me doing this work if it's known to overwrite my main drive.. Maybe I don't understand the problem here. Gentoo is installed, right? Now you want to install windows, right? Do that. When you're finished put in you Gentoo LiveCD, chroot to your still existing Linux (Windows just overwrites the MBR nothing else) and re-run grub with root (hd0,0) and setup (hd0). Then add a section to grub.conf: title=Windows 2000 root (hd1,0) chainloader +1 And you're done. Been there, done that ;-) Hi all, First, thanks to all who have answered. The info has been helpful. OK, after a bit of work putting in a new power supply I now have my oldest Gentoo machine set up with 3 disk drives. The second and third drives used to be in the old Windows machine. All drives are masters on their own EIDE cables. Drive 1 - Via chipset - Gentoo Drive 2 - Promise PCI EIDE ATA-100 cont. - port 1 - GigaStudio audio Files Drive 3 - Promise PCI EIDE ATA-100 cont. - port 2 - Win XP Note that I have not actually installed Win XP here. I just took the drive from the old machine. That machine was a Via chipset and so is this one. First step would be to see if it works then load Win XP from scratch if it doesn't. (Or load Win XP anyway...we'll see.) All drives are visible to fdisk and hdparm. I am able to mount /dev/hdi as my kernel does support VFAT but I cannot mount /dev/hdk as I do not have NTFS support built for this kernel, nor do I want to add it. godzilla ~ # hdparm -tT /dev/hda /dev/hda: Timing cached reads: 1108 MB in 2.00 seconds = 552.70 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 86 MB in 3.06 seconds = 28.12 MB/sec godzilla ~ # godzilla ~ # hdparm -tT /dev/hdi /dev/hdi: Timing cached reads: 1120 MB in 2.00 seconds = 558.69 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 138 MB in 3.02 seconds = 45.66 MB/sec godzilla ~ # godzilla ~ # hdparm -tT /dev/hdk /dev/hdk: Timing cached reads: 1100 MB in 2.01 seconds = 547.35 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 138 MB in 3.02 seconds = 45.72 MB/sec godzilla ~ # godzilla ~ # fdisk -l /dev/hda Disk /dev/hda: 30.7 GB, 30735581184 bytes 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 59554 cylinders Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 203 102280+ 83 Linux /dev/hda2 16878 5954321503002+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hda3 2043251 1536192 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/hda43252 16877 6867504 83 Linux /dev/hda5 16878 4532614337855 83 Linux /dev/hda6 45327 59543 7165084+ 83 Linux Partition table entries are not in disk order godzilla ~ # godzilla ~ # fdisk -l /dev/hdi Disk /dev/hdi: 82.3 GB, 82348277760 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 10011 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdi1 1637451199123+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hdi26375 1001129214202+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hdi56375 1001129214171b W95 FAT32 godzilla ~ # godzilla ~ # fdisk -l /dev/hdk Disk /dev/hdk: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdk1 * 1191215358108+ 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/hdk21913446220482875 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS godzilla ~ # Now, I wanted to try booting the Win XP drive but I hit a road block. It seems that possibly grub doesn't see any of the drives on the Promise ATA-100 controller? Is this the case. grub auto-completion tells me that only hd0 is available. What limits grub to 8 devices? (My guess is system BIOS but it's just a guess.) godzilla ~ # grub Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. GNU GRUB version 0.96 (640K lower / 3072K upper memory) [ Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first
[gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo 2005.1 on an SATA drive
I have been trying to install Gentoo 2005.1 on an SATA drive connected to a Silicon Image chipset controller. The SATA interface and drive are found at boot, I then create 3 parititions: /dev/sda1 32M /boot /dev/sda2 512M /dev/sda3 40GB / Then I go through the usual process of untarring a stage3 tarball, copying over a portage snapshot and distfiles etc. all goes well, the files are on the partitions and all looks fine. The issue occurs when I try to chroot into the new environment when issuing the command chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash I get the error segmentation fault and cannot chroot into the new environment. Is there likely to be something that I am doing wrong? Is there another set of instructions specifically for an SATA install? I had issues getting the drive to work in Windows as well until I removed by Pinannacle PCTV card after which Windows found the drive with no problems - could it perhaps be that this caused a hardware conflict that caused the above error? I haven't had the time to try the install again since removing the PCTV card but would like to know if there is anything different I need to do to install Gentoo to an SATA disk. Cheers Jamie -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo 2005.1 on an SATA drive
On 9/5/05, Jamie Dobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been trying to install Gentoo 2005.1 on an SATA drive connected to a Silicon Image chipset controller. The SATA interface and drive are found at boot, I then create 3 parititions: /dev/sda1 32M /boot /dev/sda2 512M /dev/sda3 40GB / Then I go through the usual process of untarring a stage3 tarball, copying over a portage snapshot and distfiles etc. all goes well, the files are on the partitions and all looks fine. The issue occurs when I try to chroot into the new environment when issuing the command chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash I get the error segmentation fault and cannot chroot into the new environment. Is there likely to be something that I am doing wrong? Is there another set of instructions specifically for an SATA install? No, everything is normal. I've brought up one this wekk and a few before. No problems other than finding the drive. You've already done that. I had issues getting the drive to work in Windows as well until I removed by Pinannacle PCTV card after which Windows found the drive with no problems - could it perhaps be that this caused a hardware conflict that caused the above error? I haven't had the time to try the install again since removing the PCTV card but would like to know if there is anything different I need to do to install Gentoo to an SATA disk. Nothing at all different. To me this sounds more like some driver having trouble after the chroot command. My machines are ATI and Via chipsets with SATA built in. You are using the Silicon Image chips. Maybe that driver has some issues? This is the kernel on the 2005.1 CD, correct? That's a pretty new kernel. - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo 2005.1 on an SATA drive
snip To me this sounds more like some driver having trouble after the chroot command. My machines are ATI and Via chipsets with SATA built in. You are using the Silicon Image chips. Maybe that driver has some issues? This is the kernel on the 2005.1 CD, correct? That's a pretty new kernel. Yes, this is using the Kernel from the 2005.1 CD -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo 2005.1 on an SATA drive
I On Sep 5, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Jamie Dobbs wrote: snip To me this sounds more like some driver having trouble after the chroot command. My machines are ATI and Via chipsets with SATA built in. You are using the Silicon Image chips. Maybe that driver has some issues? This is the kernel on the 2005.1 CD, correct? That's a pretty new kernel. Yes, this is using the Kernel from the 2005.1 CD installed both 32-bit and 64-bit machines on sata drives with the 2005.1 install cds. Mine were nvidia chipsets, and used the nv_sata drivers. No problems chrooting. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Best way to build a debugging binary
Hi, I keep getting crashes when exiting evolution so I thought I'd have a go at generating a decent debugging build so I can submit a bug report. I thought the best thing to do would be re-emerge evolution with debugging enabled: CFLAGS=-g3 -O0 USE=debug emerge -v evolution However this doesn't seem to be having the desired effect. For one emerge cleans up the build so there is no reference source tree. The other is the debugging symbols don't seem to be fully there. e.g: (gdb) bt #0 0x0001 in ?? () #1 0x2aaab0ca61fd in camel_object_trigger_event () from /usr/lib/libcamel-1.2.so.0 #2 0x2aaab1f6be78 in camel_vee_folder_get_location () from /usr/lib/libcamel-provider-1.2.so.3 #3 0x2aaab1f69226 in camel_vee_folder_remove_folder () from /usr/lib/libcamel-provider-1.2.so.3 #4 0x2aaab1f6c59b in camel_vee_folder_get_location () from /usr/lib/libcamel-provider-1.2.so.3 #5 0x2aaab0ca5edb in camel_object_unref () from /usr/lib/libcamel-1.2.so.0 #6 0x2aaab1f6c59b in camel_vee_folder_get_location () from /usr/lib/libcamel-provider-1.2.so.3 #7 0x2aaab0ca5edb in camel_object_unref () from /usr/lib/libcamel-1.2.so.0 #8 0x2aaab1f6c59b in camel_vee_folder_get_location () from /usr/lib/libcamel-provider-1.2.so.3 #9 0x2aaab0ca5edb in camel_object_unref () from /usr/lib/libcamel-1.2.so.0 #10 0x2aaab211c7a1 in vfolder_gui_add_from_address () from /usr/lib/evolution/2.2/components/libevolution-mail.so #11 0x2e4bcccd in g_hash_table_foreach () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #12 0x2aaab211c7d2 in mail_vfolder_shutdown () from /usr/lib/evolution/2.2/components/libevolution-mail.so #13 0x2aaab2109865 in mail_filter_delete_uri () from /usr/lib/evolution/2.2/components/libevolution-mail.so #14 0x2abc98ae in _ORBIT_skel_small_GNOME_Evolution_Component_quit () from /usr/lib/evolution/2.2/libeshell.so.0 #15 0x2c8fdc26 in ORBit_c_stub_invoke () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 #16 0x2abcb3aa in GNOME_Evolution_Component_quit () from /usr/lib/evolution/2.2/libeshell.so.0 #17 0x0041d1eb in e_shell_construct_result_to_string () #18 0x0041d422 in e_shell_quit () #19 0x00417f0e in e_shell_startup_wizard_create () #20 0x2e16914a in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #21 0x2c52b433 in bonobo_closure_invoke_va_list () from /usr/lib/libbonobo-2.so.0 #22 0x2c52b60e in bonobo_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib/libbonobo-2.so.0 #23 0x2c0263e3 in bonobo_ui_component_get_type () from /usr/lib/libbonoboui-2.so.0 #24 0x2c8fdc26 in ORBit_c_stub_invoke () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 #25 0x2c52ed39 in Bonobo_UIComponent_execVerb () from /usr/lib/libbonobo-2.so.0 #26 0x2c02d9b7 in bonobo_ui_engine_dump () from /usr/lib/libbonoboui-2.so.0 #27 0x2e16914a in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #28 0x2e17c60f in g_signal_has_handler_pending () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #29 0x2e17d99e in g_signal_emit_valist () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #30 0x2e17dd03 in g_signal_emit () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #31 0x2c031bff in bonobo_ui_sync_wrap_widget () from /usr/lib/libbonoboui-2.so.0 #32 0x2e16914a in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #33 0x2e17caaa in g_signal_has_handler_pending () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #34 0x2e17d99e in g_signal_emit_valist () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #35 0x2e17dd03 in g_signal_emit () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #36 0x2d209d92 in gtk_widget_activate () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #37 0x2d13ad51 in gtk_menu_shell_activate_item () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #38 0x2d13b06b in gtk_menu_shell_activate_item () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #39 0x2d12c6e6 in gtk_marshal_VOID__UINT_STRING () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #40 0x2e16914a in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 ---Type return to continue, or q return to quit--- #41 0x2e17c60f in g_signal_has_handler_pending () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #42 0x2e17d703 in g_signal_emit_valist () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #43 0x2e17dd03 in g_signal_emit () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #44 0x2d209ef0 in gtk_widget_activate () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #45 0x2d12aac1 in gtk_propagate_event () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #46 0x2d12ae0c in gtk_main_do_event () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #47 0x2d900e80 in gdk_event_get_graphics_expose () from /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 #48 0x2e4c9076 in g_main_context_dispatch () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #49 0x2e4caa98 in g_main_context_acquire () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #50 0x2e4cadfa in g_main_loop_run () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #51 0x2c5193eb in bonobo_main () from
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo 2005.1 on an SATA drive
are you mixing a 32 bit install cd with a 64 bit stage 3? On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:56:02 +1200 (NZST) Jamie Dobbs wrote: The issue occurs when I try to chroot into the new environment when issuing the command chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash I get the error segmentation fault and cannot chroot into the new environ -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage - xcdroast
On Monday 05 September 2005 23:06, John Dangler wrote: Or, does anyone have another recommendation for cd/dvd graphical frontend in gnome? How about gnomebaker? it's in portage. I've used it a bit and it looked pretty good (though not as good as k3b :) ) -- Cheers, Alex. pgp6tbFHWFnlT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] portage - xcdroast
On 19:06 Mon 05 Sep , John Dangler wrote: Anyone know why the xcdroast was taken off the mirrors? There is a bug entered regarding xcdroast not being able to be downloaded (which I got when I did emerge xcdroast). It seems that the only reason for it not being there is either because there's something _really_ wrong with it. Well, here i can fetch it... Try it again later. Or, does anyone have another recommendation for cd/dvd graphical frontend in gnome? emerge -av graveman John D -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- [sinatura] A ouvir (mpd): n/a GPG KeyID:0x9D2FD6C8 - http://tinyurl.com/79lrs [\sinatura] pgpTx6iYaRdpI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] portage - xcdroast
John Dangler schreef: Anyone know why the xcdroast was taken off the mirrors? There is a bug entered regarding xcdroast not being able to be downloaded (which I got when I did emerge xcdroast). It seems that the only reason for it not being there is either because there's something _really_ wrong with it. Or, does anyone have another recommendation for cd/dvd graphical frontend in gnome? John D Gnomebaker seems pretty OK-- quite nice, actually, though I can't seem to make new folders in the layout (I'd have to make them in the regular filesystem then copy them to the layout), but I didn't explore it all that thoroughly. I think I'll stick with K3b for the time being; you may not realize that it can be built -kde and -arts (though you'll still have to install kdelibs for it to run). It remains the most fully-featured GUI burning program out there. You might also try Nero for Linux (GTK1 interface). It pretty much does most of what Nero for Windows does, certainly it handles all the basic functions with aplomb (though not as much aplomb as K3b), although I didn't really check to see how it handles the 'extra' features of Nero Pro (does it encode video and audio, and what formats does it allow to do so). All available from Portage (though some may be ~arch masked). HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo 2005.1 on an SATA drive
are you mixing a 32 bit install cd with a 64 bit stage 3? I don't believe so, but will double check tonight On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:56:02 +1200 (NZST) Jamie Dobbs wrote: The issue occurs when I try to chroot into the new environment when issuing the command chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash I get the error segmentation fault and cannot chroot into the new environ -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need help
i'll check it out, thanx so much for replying.On 9/5/05, Rumen Yotov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 18:26 +0300, Haitham wrote: hi all, i'am new to gentoo and i downloaded 2 gentoo CD'z , universal and packages CD. i want to combine them on one DVD , any help ? thanks in advance. Hi,Check for a available DVDs (think there is one, but may be it's paid,part of the money goes to support Gentoo development) - www.gentoo.orgOr burn the universal ISO to a DVD, but don't close the session (may be this isn't possible at all or hard) and add the Package-CD to it.IIRC there is a *warning* on the tab while using 'k3b' with sessions.HTH. Rumen-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-Version: GnuPG v1.4.1-ecc0.1.6 (GNU/Linux)iD8DBQBDHGu4w4vKYiLy/AsRAsdfAJ9OY/ZcFIuxPDn7w76QGrzq4urfJwCfUyA0B5CKIoVvpjA0vPZq6d4Nnqg==Yu+Y-END PGP SIGNATURE-
[gentoo-user] gst-plugins-alsa-0.8.11 compile failure
Hi, I was doing a emerge -u world and gst-plugins-alsa-0.8.11 failed. the last few messages on screen are --- configure: *** These plugins will not be built: xvid checking asm/atomic.h usability... yes checking asm/atomic.h presence... yes checking for asm/atomic.h... yes checking for freetype2 = 2.0.9... yes checking FT2_CFLAGS... -I/usr/include/freetype2 checking FT2_LIBS... -lfreetype -lz configure: Using GStreamer source release as package name configure: Using http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/ as package origin configure: error: conditional HAVE_XFIXES was never defined. Usually this means the macro was only invoked conditionally. !!! Please attach the config.log to your bug report: !!! /var/tmp/portage/gst-plugins-alsa-0.8.11/work/gst-plugins-0.8.11/config.log - I searched in forums as well as google but couldn't find anything usefull. Has anybody experienced this? Regards -R'twick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Multiple Displays nVida vs Radeon... take TWO
Hey folks, I'm looking for a quick answer, because I may need to make a hardware purchase tonight based on the replies. I have a big presentation on Friday. I noticed, the other day, that upon hooking my laptop up to a projector, that the projector failed to come on. It is worth noting that I have had this configuration working before. I had made entries in xorg.conf that, should have, allowed for this to work. I figured that, because it was a different projector than I had originally tested this setup on, that differences in the setup may be the issue. Tonight, I came back to my lab, plugged it into the projector that I had originally set this matter up on, and it failed to work on that projector. Anyway, quick rundown. I have a Dell Inspiron 9100. In it is a Radeon 9700 mobile graphics adapter, PCI express. Any thoughts? Do the nVidia cards do this better? -- Justin W. Hart -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT: favorite window manager/desktop environ?
Holly Bostick wrote: Matt Randolph schreef: I don't think Knoppix really has an administrator. It really is an enduser only flavour of Linux. It's sort of a fire and forget distro. Sure, someone had to go to a lot of trouble to get it set up just right in the first place, but once that was done it can perform reliably without further administrative intervention. The enduser not only probably won't set the root password, the enduser doesn't even need to know that it is unset. Or even that a root account exists! Interesting. But again, *someone* had to administer the system to set it up so that a user could be 'pure'. It sounds like we are in agreement on this point. We both state that someone had (past tense) to administer the system... at some point in time. We also both state (or imply) that the enduser doesn't take up the role of administrator. Is it possible to have any sort of computer that hasn't felt the effects of an administrator? Of course not. Any device of any significant complexity can only exist by the labors of some knowledgeable persons. I don't think anyone is trying to say the opposite. But does the Knoppix user's system have an administrator NOW? I say it does not. It has been configured by an admin... heck, the OS was installed to it's filesystem by an admin... but there is no admin looking over the shoulder of the Knoppix user. I don't believe this sort of user experience is limited to read-only systems like Knoppix, though. Look at Lindows/Linspire. How about those $200 Linux computers they are (or were) selling at Wal*Mart (strewth!). I expect those machines ARE intended to provide the enduser with an essentially administratorless (to coin a word) experience. Linspire (at least used to) have the user running everything as root. But do you think the enduser always knows that? I think the enduser simply knows that when they pay to install OpenOffice.org from Linspire's private apt servers, it just works; it installs without their ever having to `su` or `sudo` or anything. That Linspire user essentially is the admin, though she doesn't know it and she almost certainly doesn't behave like one. And many now question whether Linspire can even be called a Linux distribution for this and other reasons, despite the fact that it runs on a Linux kernel. We're all wondering if that is then the only requirement, or does it also need to follow 'the rules' to be counted? But that's a whole 'nother discussion. I didn't mean to imply that Linspire is a proper Linux distribution. It certainly doesn't follow 'the rules' of a proper operating system. But neither does Windows for that matter (and for much the same reasons). Knoppix doesn't follow the traditional 'rules' in that it is read-only. Embedded versions of Linux don't follow 'the rules' in a sense because the user might never interface with the OS at all, merely a single application instead. Linspire IS trying to follow a set of rules. Specifically, the ones Windows goes by. So doesn't that mean that Linspire is at least as valid an OS as Windows is? No, Linspire is not proper Linux, but it is bringing the kernel and Linux apps into some peoples homes. It may not be bringing the traditions, the behaviors, or the ways of thinking that are a part of Linux, but those may come with time to those that seek them. But even if they never did, why should certain sorts of people be prevented from using Linux just because they aren't clever enough or are too busy to do it properly? Some people will never learn more than the basics of operating a computer. If those people are forced to chose between learning to use a proper OS properly versus using a typewriter, they'll start dusting off the old Selectric. I have heard rumors that some futurists are predicting the death of the PC in the not too distant future. Instead of PCs they predict people will use weird multi-function mobile phone devices with speech recognition interfaces. Will you want to have to log in to your mobile in order to answer it? Will you want to have to create a cron job to get it to download your email? But don't you want it to be Linux-based anyway? What I think I hear you saying is that being able to get away with this foolish behavior should not be one of our goals. I did not mean to imply that careless hardware shopping should be encouraged. Rather, I used this as an example to try to illustrate how lacking driver support slows the growth of Linux. If Linux is going to grow it's user base significantly, it's probably going to have to attract quite a few of those careless boobs too. And if Linux can't be made to work on their hardware, do you think they are going to run out and buy a new computer or will they simply rethink the decision to try Linux? Although careless hardware shopping should not be encouraged, being able to get away with it (that is,
Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild for Lost Labyrinth
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:16:29 +1200 Nick Rout wrote: [snip] Please report any errors in use of the ebuild. This time I really am going to post it to bugs.gentoo.org, its just that Markus keeps delivering new versions. In particular please make sure highscores works, I am no games player and can't get into the highscores table to check it works! I have now crerated a bug which _should_ result in this making it to portage one day sometime. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104971 *Please* report successes and failures with the ebuild on the above bug. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Nagios and MySql
Good night to you all :) I was wondering if some one can help me with nagios; I installed nagios on a server that has MySql installed so for my surprise nagios got compilled with MySql support even without mysql use flag . Now I got two options . learn how to disable MySql support Or for the best learn how to show data at the database... I already set the database correctly and create the tables and the nagios is alread inserting data at the tables but none information are displayed by the cgis ... it said that the service is disabled ( not true it is running ) PS. I already changed check_command from cgi.cfg to usr/bin/perl /usr/nagios/libexec/something.db.pl I forgot the scrit name and my machine is unreacheble now . If some know anything I will be trully glad. Thanks, Allan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] floppy drive will format a disk, boot from a grub floppy, but can't write any files
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:40:41 +0100 Michael Kintzios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the words: Try: # ls -la after you cd into it. The files you have saved on your fd0 may be system directories/files i.e. they may have a . before the file/directory name. Thanks -- but I figured it out. It was nothing other than a issue with my fstab having something in there that wasn't needed causing problems. I should have thought of that before posting. But thanks again. Adrian -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Nagios and MySql
On Monday 05 September 2005 21:00, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote: Good night to you all :) I was wondering if some one can help me with nagios; I installed nagios on a server that has MySql installed so for my surprise nagios got compilled with MySql support even without mysql use flag . Now I got two options . learn how to disable MySql support Or for the best learn how to show data at the database... I already set the database correctly and create the tables and the nagios is alread inserting data at the tables but none information are displayed by the cgis ... it said that the service is disabled ( not true it is running ) PS. I already changed check_command from cgi.cfg to usr/bin/perl /usr/nagios/libexec/something.db.pl I forgot the scrit name and my machine is unreacheble now . If some know anything I will be trully glad. Thanks, Allan I've not installed nagios on gentoo, just from sources on other systems. However, even if the programs are compiled with db support, the config files can still not use it. if you want to send me your config files, offline, I'll look at them. -- John Jolet Your On-Demand IT Department 512-762-0729 www.jolet.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
Quoting Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 9/5/05, Heinz Sporn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, den 05.09.2005, 07:17 -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: On 9/5/05, Heinz Sporn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, den 05.09.2005, 06:38 -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: Hi, Is it possible to put Windows XP an a second drive in a Linux box and have Windows be happy? Should work. [SNIP A LOT OF STUFF] ... ... [SNIP A LOT OF STUFF] If not I could reconfigure the internal cables to share the new drive, at least the Win XP drive, on the chipset cables, but I'd prefer not to do that it possible. Thanks in advance for your ideas. Cheers, Mark Mark, I did what you want to do a few days ago and the system works fine. My steps where as follows: 1) Want Linux disk as hda, Windows as hdb 2) I had the windows disk already installed, like you, needed to install the linux setup. 3) Being totally paranoid about my ability to get the drive designations correct, I totally removed the Windows disk and then did the Linux install. Loaded Grub into the MBR on the hda. 3a) If I had had two empty disks and wanted one linux, one Windows, I would only place one disk in the machine at a time, do the appropriate OS install, boot it, make sure it was working before doing anything else. 4) We now have two disks and two OS's. Linux is on hda, Windows on hdb, both of which have their own bootloaders and can boot in their own right. I followed the Grub install process as outlined in the Gentoo install manual, setting up the Grub.conf file as outlined in Chpt 10, listing 3. I tried to reboot, and Linux came up. I then tried to reboot into windows and nothing happened. 5) Googling revealed that you need to make Windows think it is on hda when it is actually on hdb. I added the two lines, as suggested by Alex: map (hd0) (hd1) map (hd1) (hd0) to grub.conf so it became: title=Windows XP map (hd0) (hd1) map (hd1) (hd0) rootnoverify (hd1,1) makeactive chainloader +1 saved, rebooted, selected Windows and it started up. Once you know what to do, it's quite easy, it's the finding out what to do in the first place that is the problem ;) Some people mention problems about sharing or overwriting MBR's etc, don;t worry about it, just set everything up so that they can individually boot then let Grub handle everything. Any problems, bounce me an email Regards, Andrew p.s. I'm not sure on the partition on the rootnoverify - read up on that -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] apcupsd - apache module
Is there an apache module for apcupsd or is it installed during emerge apcupsd? If so how to enable it? I have a link to http://127.0.0.1/apcupsd/multimon.cgi but it doesn't work anymore, it must have been removed during recent updates. -- #Joseph -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
On 9/5/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 07:17:37 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: grub and Gentoo are on /dev/hda Windows will go on /dev/hdc or /dev/hde I do not want windows to write anything on /dev/hda It will, because MS assumes you'll be using the windows bootloader. I know the no one here can truly guarantee what Windows will do but there's little point in me doing this work if it's known to overwrite my main drive.. It won't overwrite the drive, just the part of the MBR containing the bootloader code. You'll just need to run grub from a live CD and do root (hd0,X) setup (hd0) to restore it. -- Neil Bothwick Hi Neil, I'm attempting the new install of Windows but it won't go. I hope I'm just missing something easy. Thanks in advance. My system: Drive 0: Gentoo - partition 0 is boot. 100MB - 30GB - grub is on this partition - The drive has no space left - All the audio for this box is 400GB of external 1394 drives. Drive 1: For WinNT - 80GB - completely empty Drive 2: Audio Data - 80GB - GigaStudio audio sampler data files I've told Win XP to put the C: partition on drive 1. It then gives me the message: ** To install Windows XP on the partition you have selected, Setup must write some start up files to the following disk: 29312 MB Disk 0 at ID 0 on Bus 0 on atapi [MBR] However this disk does not contain a Windows compatible partition. To continue installing Windows XP, return to the partition selection screen and create a Windows compatible partition on the disk above. If there is no space available, delete and existing partition, and then create a new one. To return to the partition selection screen press enter. ** Even though it says [MBR] above it won't proceed without creating at least one partition on drive 0. It appears I cannot install Windows XP on a second drive without writing 30MB to the boot drive? Is it possible to safely shrink an ext3 partition on the current drive 0 to make way for this? The only other thought that comes to mind at this point, assuming I haven't missed something obvious, is to rearrange the drives in the box and make drive 1 into drive 0. If I then installed grub on the Windows drive and fixed up fstab and the contents of grub.conf to recognize Gentoo on drive 1, would it work? Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple Displays nVida vs Radeon... take TWO
Welcome to the mess that are laptops and xorg/xfree with projectors. Both nvidia and ati are as good as each other - and each have their own little problems. I currently use an ati M9 I find the main problem is most projectors I deal with work in a native 1024x768 mode, with higher modes internally mapped back to this resolution. I normally use 1600x1200 which works - mostly. Things to look for are jittery displays, missing edges, and no screen etc. The cure? - back the resolution down to something the projector is happy with. I find that specs saying a projector will do a particular high resolution rather rubbery - the older the projector the less likely it will be happy at a high res. xrandr or one of the desktop applets can be used to change the resolution on the fly. if the projector doesn't come on, I go to 1024x768 and work up until we are both happy. The main linux problem is getting a config that works at all! BillK On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 21:35 -0400, Justin Hart wrote: Hey folks, I'm looking for a quick answer, because I may need to make a hardware purchase tonight based on the replies. I have a big presentation on Friday. I noticed, the other day, that upon hooking my laptop up to a projector, that the projector failed to come on. It is worth noting that I have had this configuration working before. I had made entries in xorg.conf that, should have, allowed for this to work. I figured that, because it was a different projector than I had originally tested this setup on, that differences in the setup may be the issue. Tonight, I came back to my lab, plugged it into the projector that I had originally set this matter up on, and it failed to work on that projector. Anyway, quick rundown. I have a Dell Inspiron 9100. In it is a Radeon 9700 mobile graphics adapter, PCI express. Any thoughts? Do the nVidia cards do this better? -- Justin W. Hart -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Windows on a second drive?
On 9/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to grub.conf so it became: title=Windows XP map (hd0) (hd1) map (hd1) (hd0) rootnoverify (hd1,1) makeactive chainloader +1 saved, rebooted, selected Windows and it started up. Once you know what to do, it's quite easy, it's the finding out what to do in the first place that is the problem ;) Some people mention problems about sharing or overwriting MBR's etc, don;t worry about it, just set everything up so that they can individually boot then let Grub handle everything. Any problems, bounce me an email Regards, Andrew p.s. I'm not sure on the partition on the rootnoverify - read up on that -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Thanks Andrew. The info looks good. I haven't seen the makeactive command discussed in the area before. I'll read up on that. thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] cpu flags / USE flags / compiler flags
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:59:10 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In either case, I wouldn't want to extrapolate Xeon Irwindale results to all Intel X86 chips, let alone AMD. /usr/portage/app-benchmarks has several items in it. Does anybody know which ones have floating-point tests? There are many floating-point tests. You choose by what you want to prove. And an example - [MN] sys-cluster/hpl (1.0-r2): HPL - A Portable Implementation of the High-Performance Linpack Benchmark for Distributed-Memory Computers Linpack is pretty standard but only compare linpack results to linpack results. AIM5 and AIM7 a different set. SpecFP, yet a different set. Floating point tests are meaningless outside of themselves. If your apps happens to run the same type of setup as a specific floating point test, then there is meaning. If you app has a lot of other things going on, no floating point test is going be give you an idea of how the app is going to perform. Tinfoil-hat-theory... have you noticed that Microsoft just loves to use Xeons, especially dual-Xeons, in their get the facts propaganda? I wonder if they've found a problem with gcc's optimizations for Xeon, and are exploiting that problem to bias all their comparisons. No. nothing as creative as that. It's well known that Intel's C/C++ compiler is better at some things than others. Microsoft, probably, just happens to use Intel's compiler for WinXX while forgetting to use it in place of gcc. If you want to prove that Opterons are faster than Xeons, you'll buy a copy of the PathScale compiler for the Opterons and use Intel's compiler for the Xeons. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] cpu flags / USE flags / compiler flags
On 9/5/05, Bob Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to prove that Opterons are faster than Xeons, you'll buy a copy of the PathScale compiler for the Opterons and use Intel's compiler for the Xeons. Bob Bob, I don't think this was ever the point. The question was: For this specific machine what would be the best flags? I have a specific revision of the AMD64 process. What flags should I use? Possibly some sort of test could compile lots of things, look at numbers, and allow me to make a quantitive decision instead of just shooting in the dark. - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT: favorite window manager/desktop environ?
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:46:02 -0400 Paul Hoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob, I found your email really informative and I have a question regarding one of your final comments. To paraphrase, you state that doing things the hard way will make employees more knowledgeable, more so than any certification will. So, my question is this: is it worthwhile to obtain certification? And, if so, which would be a better choice in your opinion: Red Hat certification or say, for instance, certification from the Linux Professional Institute? The certification tests do require real knowledge - mainly on setting up things like mail, ftp, drive arrays, etc - lots of after the install items. certainly all requiring skill and knowledge. Red Hat focuses on Red Hat, though many items are transferable for the motivated individual. LPI certification is broader, and, some say, the harder test of the two. Are they worth it? Depends upon the job market. The knowledge required to pass the tests is certainly a large part of managing any Linux system. But if your starting with a blank hard drive, then neither will get you past any problems that may occur during the install or with the package manager. Btw, I'm not sure if I have hijacked the thread. If so, please feel free to edit the subject line. Hijack a hijacked thread that was originally an OT about window managers? Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] cpu flags / USE flags / compiler flags
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:35:10 -0700 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, I don't think this was ever the point. The question was: For this specific machine what would be the best flags? You;ll hate this - it depends on what your main apps do. Are they i/o intensive, compute intensive - more integer, specific FP instruction set? Small enough to fit into L2 cache, do lots of branching, multithreaded? I have a specific revision of the AMD64 process. What flags should I use? Possibly some sort of test could compile lots of things, look at numbers, and allow me to make a quantitive decision instead of just shooting in the dark. If you don't have a contained set of apps that represent a set of conditions that can be specifically defined, no benchmark is going to give a correct answer. In other words - your running a general purpose desktop, then there is no specific set of flags that will optimize everything. There is a set of AMD optimized strings that is being put into glibc. But it won't be for awhile - it does significant breakage to nano. And maybe to other apps. No specific compiler flags will be required for this optimization to happen - it will double memcopy speed. And that alone will provide a significant increase in performance with just a recompile - more performance than is obtainable by a set of flags. Finally, what is done by the people dropping US$100K to US$1M, they take the app they are going to run an test with that. They don't rely on benchmarks. Figure out what it is that will be your primary app. Find out how to get performance measurements on it - run sar if you have to. Change the compiler flags and re-run. Look for the bottlenecks and work to eliminate them. See - [ N] app-admin/sysstat (5.0.5-r2): System performance tools for Linux Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo 2005.1 on an SATA drive
It so happens I'm using the sil_3112r chipset, running 2 SATA drives, multiple partitions. Never received any of these errors. While that doesn't really help you much, you can be sure it should work :POn 9/5/05, Jamie Dobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are you mixing a 32 bit install cd with a 64 bit stage 3? I don't believe so, but will double check tonight On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:56:02 +1200 (NZST) Jamie Dobbs wrote: The issue occurs when I try to chroot into the new environment when issuing the command chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash I get the error segmentation fault and cannot chroot into the new environ -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- - Mark Shields
Re: [gentoo-user] portage - xcdroast
On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 19:06 -0400, John Dangler wrote: Anyone know why the xcdroast was taken off the mirrors? There is a bug entered regarding xcdroast not being able to be downloaded (which I got when I did emerge xcdroast). It seems that the only reason for it not being there is either because there's something _really_ wrong with it. Or, does anyone have another recommendation for cd/dvd graphical frontend in gnome? Does nautilus do it? I notice eix nautilus returns (among others): gnome-extra/nautilus-cd-burner Available versions: 2.10.0 2.10.1 ~2.10.1-r1[2] 2.10.2 ~2.10.2-r1[2] [M]2.11.7 Installed: 2.10.1 Homepage:http://www.gnome.org/ Description: CD and DVD writer plugin for Nautilus John D -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Best way to build a debugging binary
On Monday 05 September 2005 15:32, Alex Bennee wrote: Hi, I keep getting crashes when exiting evolution so I thought I'd have a go at generating a decent debugging build so I can submit a bug report. I thought the best thing to do would be re-emerge evolution with debugging enabled: CFLAGS=-g3 -O0 USE=debug emerge -v evolution However this doesn't seem to be having the desired effect. For one emerge cleans up the build so there is no reference source tree. The other is the debugging symbols don't seem to be fully there. e.g: [snip] Whats the proper gentoo way to build something with symbols for getting decent backtraces from? try FEATURES=nostrip keepwork as well pgpnMaIXrgC5Z.pgp Description: PGP signature
