Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
It's nice of you to give me so detailed explanation! I think I would like to use gnome for long time ^_^ Thank you very much 50 mails later, 5 flame wars and just for that... I do believe it would of been easier to give each of them a test yourself to see what you prefer. KDE, Fluxbox, Gnome, et al. Bleh! -- Ryan Viljoen Bsc(Eng) (Electrical) Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. - Mark Twain -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kppp and two different accounts
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:51:03 +0200, Rumen Yotov wrote: Just a shot in the dark, but try cleaning /tmp directory. Sometimes there's cruft left in it which messes with new options. While trying that, clear /var/tmp too. -- Neil Bothwick Old programmers never die; they just branch to a new address. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On 21 January 2006 07:08, Chris White wrote: On Friday 20 January 2006 18:10, Linux Java wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. That's the most blatant start of a flamewar I've seen... Oh, there are other ways to start flamewars as good as this one: What is better, emacs or vim? What is the better programming language, C or C++. Better scripting language, perl or python? For years, we have heard that java would take over completely the next year. When is next year? What strikes me funny is that it's seldom the developers who fuel the flames but almost always self-appointed power users. ;-) Uwe -- Unix is sexy: who | grep -i blonde | date cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount sleep -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge PEAR packages.
Am Samstag, den 21.01.2006, 03:17 -0300 schrieb Pupeno: How are you supposed to emerge PEAR packages today ? According to this http://svn.gnqs.org/projects/gentoo-php-overlay/file/docs/php-upgrading.html?format=raw we have to live with that situation as long as dev-lang/php becomes stable. I had to switch to dev-lang/php because of oracle-instantclient-basic and ran into the same PEAR issues. Problem is that new dev-lang/php pretty much implies unstable PEAR - that's what I am running right now. Here's what I have in my package.keywords to freeze these unstables as long as they become stable: =dev-lang/php-4.4.1-r2 ~x86 =dev-php/PEAR-Archive_Tar-1.3.2 ~x86 =dev-php/PEAR-Console_Getopt-1.2-r1 ~x86 =dev-php/PEAR-DB-1.7.6-r1 ~x86 =dev-php/PEAR-Log-1.9.3 ~x86 =dev-php/PEAR-Mail_Mime-1.3.1-r1 ~x86 =dev-php/PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r1 ~x86 =dev-php/PEAR-XML_RPC-1.4.4 ~x86 After upgrading, portage wanted to install dev-lang/php, so I done it remove some blocking packages, including dev-php/php and dev-php/mod_php. Now emerging PEAR-XML_Parser or PEAR-DB wants to emerge dev-php/php back, what I am supposed to do ? Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How many people use KDE?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:54:12 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Apwal looks rather neat. How did you tie it to the LMB in KDE? KDE Control Centre - Desktop - Behaviour - General tab - mouse-button actions - Left button - Custom menu 1 - edit You hcan halve the number of actions by right-clicking on the desktop and selecting configure desktop - unless you've changed it. I assume I entered 'apwal', tho' it says 'Xterm' in the box now. I have ~/.kde/share/config/kdesktop_custom_menu1 , OK that works, so of. It gives me a menu with only apwal on it, which I then select to run apwal. I was hoping that I could link it directly to the LMB, otherwise I may as well put the programs in the custom menu rather than going through apwal, nice as it is. -- Neil Bothwick Famed tautologist dies of suicide in distressing tragedy signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:06:09 +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: That may be true, but it assumes that I want a Desktop Environment in the first place, which I don't, particularly. Then why are you participating in a discussion about which of the two complete Desktop environments is best? ;-) As you don't want a DE, you actually have more choice than those that do, since there are so many minimal environments that you can build up yourself, compared with the two major pre-built environments. -- Neil Bothwick Use Colgate toothpaste or end up with teeth like a Ferengi. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:08:29 +0900, Chris White wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. That's the most blatant start of a flamewar I've seen... Ok, let's sit here and ponder. People like KDE, people like GNOME, hell, people like fluxbox and xfce. Now to put this in perspective, basically there is no right answer to this question, and no matter how much someone suggests, there never will be. There is a right answer to this question, because it is simple numbers, which is most popular. Carry out a poll of Linux users to ask which is their favourite desktop and you have the answer. If you really want to start a flamewar, ask which is better. Better is not the same as most popular, unless you really believe that Windows is the best OS out there. -- Neil Bothwick Scrute the inscrutable; eff the ineffable. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Kppp and two different accounts
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:51:03 +0200, Rumen Yotov wrote: Just a shot in the dark, but try cleaning /tmp directory. Sometimes there's cruft left in it which messes with new options. While trying that, clear /var/tmp too. Just do a rm -rf /var/tmp/* There is a kde-root, kde-dale, kde-dale2 and kde-test folder in there. Just to make sure it was not something in my modem, I booted the CD. It sent the right thing then. LOL Thanks Dale :-) I jusr reconnected and want to see if I can send email this time. says prayer -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
Oh, there are other ways to start flamewars as good as this one: [...] What is the better programming language, C or C++. Better scripting language, perl or python? Hell, perl and python are programming languages actually! I cry meta-flamewar on these two flamewars!! :P m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 12:19 +, b.n. wrote: Oh, there are other ways to start flamewars as good as this one: [...] What is the better programming language, C or C++. Better scripting language, perl or python? Hell, perl and python are programming languages actually! I cry meta-flamewar on these two flamewars!! :P *heh heh* what's a better flamewar: the emacs vs vi flameware or the perl vs python flamewar? -- Iain Buchanan iain at netspace dot net dot au In God we trust; all else we walk through. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
*heh heh* what's a better flamewar: the emacs vs vi flameware or the perl vs python flamewar? LOL...I'll bite! Of course the perl vs python flamewar. It introduces, in its best incarnations, both elegant and clever programming language concepts but also shows relentless fanboysm and misconceptions on both sides! It's a good flamewar where you learn both about programming, programming languages and the hysterical side of geeks. Anyway, I'm all for vi and python :). m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kppp and two different accounts
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:56:07 -0600, Dale wrote: While trying that, clear /var/tmp too. Just do a rm -rf /var/tmp/* There is a kde-root, kde-dale, kde-dale2 and kde-test folder in there. As long as none of these users are logged into KDE at the time, it should be fine. -- Neil Bothwick There was a young man from the border Who had an attention disorder. When he reached the last line He would run out of time And signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] SATA Hardware vs Software RAID
On 13:04 Fri 20 Jan , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on your post to my other thread I've been looking at the drives you mentioned. What do you know about the WD Caviar drives? They are cheaper than the Raptors. I try to avoid Western Digital in general, except for the Raptors. I had bad experiences with them when teaching Windows networking. The Raptors are expensive because of the speed, 10,000 rpm vs. 7,200 rpm. They are supposed to be built more ruggedly, an attempt by Western Digital to steal some of high profit SCSI market. I can only say I've been running them for a year or more, and they have performed flawlessly. For slower drives, I prefer Seagate, because of their reputation. Don't know if they are really that much better. See: http://www.hardwareguys.com The other brand I avoid is IBM Deskstars, aka Deathstars. The brand has moved to Hitachi, I believe. They had so many problems, it was killing their business. I think they may have done some re-engineering, maybe they are not bad now, but I don't trust them anymore. Good luck. Bill Roberts pgpAiIKMhTs3j.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On 1/21/2006 2:44 AM Neil Bothwick said the following: On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:08:29 +0900, Chris White wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. That's the most blatant start of a flamewar I've seen... Ok, let's sit here and ponder. People like KDE, people like GNOME, hell, people like fluxbox and xfce. Now to put this in perspective, basically there is no right answer to this question, and no matter how much someone suggests, there never will be. There is a right answer to this question, because it is simple numbers, which is most popular. Carry out a poll of Linux users to ask which is their favourite desktop and you have the answer. If you really want to start a flamewar, ask which is better. Better is not the same as most popular, unless you really believe that Windows is the best OS out there. LOL. This could be the start of another flame war especially since it could be argued that any OS is the best in specific situations. Cheers, Drew -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kppp and two different accounts
On Saturday 21 January 2006 06:29, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:56:07 -0600, Dale wrote: While trying that, clear /var/tmp too. Just do a rm -rf /var/tmp/* There is a kde-root, kde-dale, kde-dale2 and kde-test folder in there. As long as none of these users are logged into KDE at the time, it should be fine. I guess I'll log out first then. LOL I'll test this theory in a bit and see what screws up. I'm goin gthrough the loop with dbus and hal at the moment. First it upgrades then it won't work then it downgrades again and I have to keep messing with them until I can get them both to work. Some dev needs a better hammer. I'm about ready to just type in mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom and be done with it. Is this strange or what?? Dale :-) I'm back to Kmail. If I can get this fixed, I'm getting a new ISP. sighs -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Running hddtemp with plain user rights
Hello! I'd like to be able to run hddtemp http://www.guzu.net/linux/hddtemp.php with plain user rights - ie. not with root rights. What's to be done, so that this is possible? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ LC_ALL=C hddtemp /dev/hda /dev/hda: Permission denied [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ls -la /dev/hda brw-rw 1 root disk 3, 0 21. Jan 09:09 /dev/hda [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ id uid=1000(alexander) gid=100(users) Gruppen=4(adm),6(disk),10(wheel),16(cron),17(console),18(audio),19(cdrom),35(games),80(cdrw),100(users),250(portage),410(plugdev) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ls -la `which hddtemp` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27712 21. Jan 08:02 /usr/sbin/hddtemp As you can see, I get the error message Permission denied when I run hddtemp /dev/hda. As you can further see, the group disk has read-/write-access on the device file. And lastly, you can see that my user is member of the group disk. Why do I get the Permission denied error message? And what's to be done? I do NOT want to set hddtemp set-uid root. Thanks a lot, Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
b.n. schreef: I'm just writing it for the sake of curiosity, so no flaming is here. Just because some answer sound quite sarcastic, but that's just a style thing to get it short. :) Yes, but you then have bloat (because Konqueror contains web browsing features that you are not using, therefore the code is unnecessary for you, but nonetheless present). [...] Code, code, code. Bloat (for me). [...] Fine, I can turn them off, but again, there is then a whole lot of backend code for a feature that I do not want in the first place and know I don't want. Ehm. Perhaps it's me being dense but: who cares about unused code? Ok, you have unnecessary, unused code sitting on your HD: where's the problem? You never see it. If I wanted unused and unneccessary code sitting on my PC, I'd use a binary distribution. Why do I bother with disabling USE flags to not compile code that is unnecessary for me, if I didn't care about such things? On the rare occasions that I compile Mozilla (becoming less and less necessary, thank goodness), I compile it +moznomail, +mozcompose, +moznoirc, and -mozcalendar because I don't use those features in Mozilla, so why should I wait for them to be compiled? But I can't trim Konq down to be just a file manager (or browser, depending on which function I hypothetically like Konq to perform and which I prefer to use another application to perform). And of course, maybe I don't have so much HDD space that I want some portion of it to be used by applications that have extra functions that are unused, when that space could be used by applications that do things I *do* want. I have to then spend time finding out how to disable it or avoid installing it. It's quite odd you obviously had spent the (worthwile but not instantaneous) time to learn Linux, install Gentoo etc. but then you can't type emerge --unmerge kmix. Well I would if I liked KDE (and on the occasions that I have installed KDE, I've done that), but I've already objected to this idea that it's OK to install a whole complex and then have to go through it again with a fine-toothed comb to edit it down to something manageable. Fine if you don't mind working that way, but I do. I can't even understand what do you mean here. If you don't want icons, don't put them on the desktop. It's that simple. You have to do *nothing* to avoid icons on your desktop! The (presumably) default setting (since I've never touched it, and it is checked in kcontrol) is Show icons on desktop. There are then two additional tabs for kinds of icons that you can enable or disable (for file types and drives). But if you don't actively link things on the desktop, *nothing* appears on your desktop!! That's not the point, which is where we have a failure to communicate. Openbox and FVWM-crystal (and ICEwm, for that matter) are lighter, faster desktops than KDE partially because they do not contain the code to put icons on the desktop (whether I enable it in KDE or not). If I suddenly change my mind and want icons on my desktop, I have to install idesk or something. That's the way (unh-huh, unh-huh) I *like* it. If I want an application to perform a function that I want or need, then I install it. If I don't want or need the functionality, it *is not present*. I have no interest in going through 6 tabs to specify Window Behaviour (I'm looking at the KDE Control Center right now). Ok, that's a good point. However that 6 tabs are more probably than not a wrapper to a plain text config file, that you can configure with your favourite editor all at once. Code for a gui function that I'm not using if I'm just editing the base text file anyway. ? Same as before. If I'm going to be editing the text file, all I need is nano (which I already have). So the code to create, manipulate and draw those tabs and their functions in the KDE control center is unnecessary. But developers have spent time to write it, and debug it, testers have spent time testing it, and I've spent time compiling it... and they've all wasted that time with respect to me, because I'm not using it, I'm just editing the text file in nano (which I already had). So for all of me, they could have done something else with that time (like make the code modular, so if I didn't want it, I could disable it with a USE flag or something, or of course, not include it at all, since I find Devilspie works just fine to control my windows if I need to do that for some reason, or just tell me where the text file is and how to edit it, like the FVWM man pages do, so I use the internal settings to control my windows if I want, but don't have a whole GUI that I find unnecessary to do so). Yes they work fine, but they look like poop unless you jump through some hoops to integrate them with the look of your KDE desktop. This may involve installing additional applications (gtk-chtheme or gtk-engine-qt), or editing a text file (if you need to
Re: [gentoo-user] Running hddtemp with plain user rights
Alexander Skwar schreef: Hello! I'd like to be able to run hddtemp http://www.guzu.net/linux/hddtemp.php with plain user rights - ie. not with root rights. What's to be done, so that this is possible? snip As you can see, I get the error message Permission denied when I run hddtemp /dev/hda. As you can further see, the group disk has read-/write-access on the device file. And lastly, you can see that my user is member of the group disk. Why do I get the Permission denied error message? And what's to be done? Isn't hddtemp a daemon (therfore executable)? Does the group have the right to execute hddtemp? Just an idea, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Running hddtemp with plain user rights
Holly Bostick wrote: Alexander Skwar schreef: Why do I get the Permission denied error message? And what's to be done? Isn't hddtemp a daemon Not necessarily. It can be run in daemon mode, though. Does the group have the right to execute hddtemp? Yep: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ls -la `which hddtemp` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27712 21. Jan 08:02 /usr/sbin/hddtemp BTW: sudo is also not what I'm after :) I'm after the reason, why I get that Permission denied message when I've got the necessary rights on the device file. Alexander Skwar -- You cannot achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
Alan E. Davis wrote: But one glaring deficiency keeps hitting me in the face---you can't do links with them. With Konq you can: hold Ctrl+Shift while dragging and dropping a file. (But that's only symlinks, and surely you wish to do hard links too. :) Benno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Running hddtemp with plain user rights
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 04:06:44PM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: Does the group have the right to execute hddtemp? Yep: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ls -la `which hddtemp` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27712 21. Jan 08:02 /usr/sbin/hddtemp BTW: sudo is also not what I'm after :) I'm after the reason, why I get that Permission denied message when I've got the necessary rights on the device file. I get this too. stracing the hddtemp process shows that it tries to perform some ioctls on the device and get EACCESS back, probably from some uid check in the kernel. The check itself can probably be found but I dont have the time for that now. Rasmus -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge PEAR packages.
On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 03:17 -0300, Pupeno wrote: How are you supposed to emerge PEAR packages today ? After upgrading, portage wanted to install dev-lang/php, so I done it remove some blocking packages, including dev-php/php and dev-php/mod_php. Now emerging PEAR-XML_Parser or PEAR-DB wants to emerge dev-php/php back, what I am supposed to do ? Thank you. I had this question yesterday (See the Blocking weirdness thread). This worked for me: dev-php/PEAR-DB ~x86 I assume you could do this with whatever PEAR package you wanted... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Running hddtemp with plain user rights
Rasmus Andersen wrote: I get this too. stracing the hddtemp process shows that it tries to perform some ioctls on the device and get EACCESS back, probably from some uid check in the kernel. Ah, okay, so the permissions on /dev/hda don't matter that much. Understood. Thanks! The check itself can probably be found but I dont have the time for that now. Don't worry. I guess I'll have to setuid hddtemp then. Thanks again, Alexander Skwar -- Practice is the best of all instructors. -- Publilius -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 12:19 +, b.n. wrote: Oh, there are other ways to start flamewars as good as this one: [...] What is the better programming language, C or C++. Better scripting language, perl or python? Hell, perl and python are programming languages actually! I cry meta-flamewar on these two flamewars!! :P m. What's a meta-flamewar??? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
AybOwan! Argument doesn't allow truth to come out -Load Buddha- so no matter all are opensources, let them to think... On 1/21/06, Benno Schulenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan E. Davis wrote: But one glaring deficiency keeps hitting me in the face---you can't do links with them. With Konq you can: hold Ctrl+Shift while dragging and dropping a file. (But that's only symlinks, and surely you wish to do hard links too. :) Benno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- ... The future lies ahead. ___ Have you mooed today? \^__^ \ (oo) \___ (__) \ )\/\ | |-w | | || | 2.6.15-gentoo-r1-sinhalese-jan201 (((o)))~--~--~-- Proud to be a Sinhalese. SINHALESE ARE GENIUSES OF IRRIGATION http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~sydney/sinhales.htm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 13:04 +, b.n. wrote: *heh heh* what's a better flamewar: the emacs vs vi flameware or the perl vs python flamewar? LOL...I'll bite! Of course the perl vs python flamewar. It introduces, in its best incarnations, both elegant and clever programming language concepts but also shows relentless fanboysm and misconceptions on both sides! It's a good flamewar where you learn both about programming, programming languages and the hysterical side of geeks. Anyway, I'm all for vi and python :). m. Ditto for vim. I'm still learning perl. Once I get through my perl book I'll try learning python. I figure experience with both languages is essential for surviving in the Linux world. And after that - Ruby! Yay!!! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kppp and two different accounts
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:49:03 -0600, Dale wrote: I'm goin gthrough the loop with dbus and hal at the moment. First it upgrades then it won't work then it downgrades again and I have to keep messing with them until I can get them both to work. Some dev needs a better hammer. I'm about ready to just type in mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom and be done with it. Is this strange or what?? It's expected. Later versions of HAL and D-BUS are incompatible with their predecessors. It looks like you may have some software using the old API and some the new. Adding --tree to the emerge command should tell you which want each version. -- Neil Bothwick Would a fly without wings be called a walk? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] SATA Hardware vs Software RAID
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:16:42 -0500, Bill Roberts wrote: The Raptors are expensive because of the speed, 10,000 rpm vs. 7,200 rpm. They are supposed to be built more ruggedly, an attempt by Western Digital to steal some of high profit SCSI market. The WD Raptors were made for that market, they originally only came with SCSI interfaces. Now they have SATA versions, I'll consider them next time I need new drives. -- Neil Bothwick A computer program does what you tell it to do, not what you want it to do. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
If I wanted unused and unneccessary code sitting on my PC, I'd use a binary distribution. Why do I bother with disabling USE flags to not compile code that is unnecessary for me, if I didn't care about such things? On the rare occasions that I compile Mozilla (becoming less and less necessary, thank goodness), I compile it +moznomail, +mozcompose, +moznoirc, and -mozcalendar because I don't use those features in Mozilla, so why should I wait for them to be compiled? But I can't trim Konq down to be just a file manager (or browser, depending on which function I hypothetically like Konq to perform and which I prefer to use another application to perform). Ok, good point. And of course, maybe I don't have so much HDD space that I want some portion of it to be used by applications that have extra functions that are unused, when that space could be used by applications that do things I *do* want. Good point #2. That's not the point, which is where we have a failure to communicate. Openbox and FVWM-crystal (and ICEwm, for that matter) are lighter, faster desktops than KDE partially because they do not contain the code to put icons on the desktop (whether I enable it in KDE or not). If I suddenly change my mind and want icons on my desktop, I have to install idesk or something. That's the way (unh-huh, unh-huh) I *like* it. If I want an application to perform a function that I want or need, then I install it. If I don't want or need the functionality, it *is not present*. Ok, so -let me know if I understand- you strive for an approach of full modularity, where each little component can be added or removed at will. That's actually interesting. I don't know if KDE for example already allows this (emerging kdebase only gives you almost no functionality AFAIK) or if it's going forward this. 2)GTK apps look different from KDE apps. So what? gmplayer or xpdf aren't similar to both. What's so bad in them being different? A lot of people care about this, both users and developers; It's a little issue known as User Interface Consistency, which people seem to find very important for new and/or inexperienced users (for experienced users it's more of an ongoing annoyance than a show-stopper, I think). Certainly programs exist to resolve that, both KDE and GNOME developers spend time migrating to the freedesktop.org standard to resolve that and users ask questions on this and other forums asking how to resolve at least the presenting visual issues. Yes,I know. I know a consistent desktop experience would (perhaps) be better, I just don't find it annoying. It interrupts the seamless flow of your task, and people object to that to a greater or lesser degree, depending on how much interruption they can support before the task becomes unperformable, or more difficult to perform than the task is worth. Hmmm. Not for me. I just know how to use the GTK/Gnome file save dialog, and the KDE save dialog. I seamlessly use both (although I much prefer the latter). I don't feel my tasks to be interrupted by this. Perhaps that's just my luck :). m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
Michael Sullivan wrote: What's a meta-flamewar??? A flamewar about flamewars. m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with CUPS
Because you have the same interface to set up a printer on your, your neighbours' and your 10.000-km-away pen pal. so? Can you explain me the need to not use http for your own config and using it for external configs, while you can have a single configuration app? No I can't explain you. That's the question _I_ ask. m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Running hddtemp with plain user rights
On 1/21/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't worry. I guess I'll have to setuid hddtemp then. Not necessarily. rc-update -a hddtemp default (or /etc/init.d/hddtemp start as root) telnet localhost 7634 See man hddtemp. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Palm Tungsten T5 help needed
Hello,
I am fighting now for a very long time to get my Palm T5 sync under
Linux. Unfortunately without any success, so maybe someone can
point me into the right direction. Ok, here is my setup:
1) kernel
Linux stonki 2.6.13-gentoo-r5 #3 SMP Thu Jan 12 21:24:53 CET 2006
x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ AuthenticAMD
GNU/Linux
CONFIG_USB_SERIAL=y
CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_VISOR=y
CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y
2) Udev
sys-fs/udev-070-r1
# PalmOne Tungsten T3
BUS=usb,SYSFS{serial}=12345467893ABC,NAME=pilot,OWNER=root,GROUP=tty,MODE=0660
#
# This works for one user's Handspring Visor. Put the desired user
in the usb group.
KERNEL=ttyUSB[01]*, NAME=tts/USB%n, GROUP=usb, MODE=0660
3) System
stonki portage # rc-update -s | grep hotplug
hotplug | boot
So, an up-to-date Kernel with Visor support, Udev is installed and
the hotplug daemon is running
--
4) I am now connecting the T5 to the computer without (!) pressing
anything !
stonki portage # udevinfo -p /sys/class/tty/ttyUSB3 -a
[...]
DRIVER==visor
[...]
SYSFS{product}==palmOne Handheld
SYSFS{serial}==504E35424D35543556305848
5) I am creating a new file in /etc/udev/rules.d
tonki rules.d # cat 10-udev.rules
# PalmOne Tungsten
BUS=usb,SYSFS{serial}=504E35424D35543556305848,NAME=pilot,OWNER=root,GROUP=tty,MODE=0660
#
# This works for one user's Handspring Visor. Put the desired user
in the usb group.
KERNEL=ttyUSB[0123]*, NAME=tts/USB%n, GROUP=usb, MODE=0660
6) am using the unstable pilot-link version (the stable did not work
for me as well), but still no success:
a) I am attaching the T5 without (!) pressing the sync button.
In /var/log/messages it says:
Jan 21 18:44:22 stonki visor 2-1:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS
converter detected
Jan 21 18:44:22 stonki usb 2-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter
now attached to ttyUSB2
Jan 21 18:44:22 stonki usb 2-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter
now attached to ttyUSB3
b) a /dev/pilot gets created
stonki rules.d # ls -als /dev/pilot
0 crw-rw 1 root tty 188, 2 Jan 21 18:44 /dev/pilot
c) stonki rules.d # pilot-xfer -p /dev/pilot --list
Listening for incoming connection on /dev/pilot...
d) Pressing Hotsync
Jan 21 18:45:53 stonki visor 2-1:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS
converter detected
Jan 21 18:45:53 stonki usb 2-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter
now attached to ttyUSB4
Jan 21 18:45:53 stonki usb 2-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter
now attached to ttyUSB5
WHY I am getting USB4 and USB5 ?
e) of course it does NOT work
any idea ?
Thanks Stonki
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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On 1/20/06, Linux Java [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice of you to give me so detailed explanation! I think I would like to use gnome for long time ^_^ Thank you very much Some advice for etiquette on this list: 1. Don't top post. 2. _DON'T_ post html messages 3. Learn to trim the message you are replying to. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On 1/21/06, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A flamewar about flamewars. Well the most popular flamewar on this list is obiously about filesystems, so that must be the best! :P -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
KDE and GNOME, from a user perspective, are about identical, except that KDE has a couple more bells and whistles. Now, if you're hacking code, it comes down to which windowing API you want to use. Of course, the user has the libraries for all of the popular ones loaded anyway, so, again, it doesn't matter much. I think that more distributions come with KDE set as the default, so, probably KDE just based on that, unless Solaris has a much larger user base than I think that it does. Sun is moving to (has moved to?) GNOME, and sent out notices to all of their developers (I developed a few Solaris apps a couple years ago) saying jump to gtk+. Justin On 1/20/06, Linux Java [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. -- Justin W. Hart -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Saturday 21 January 2006 05:36, Holly Bostick wrote: That may be true, but it assumes that I want a Desktop Environment in the first place, which I don't, particularly. Ermm...if you don't want a Desktop Environment then why install K Desktop Environment in the first place and then why get into a discussion related to Desktop Environments anyways? As I said, after finding even GNOME too heavy, I switched to Openbox 3, which basically presents *no* working environment, and now use fvwm-crystal, which presents a relatively minimal one, certainly by comparison to KDE. Openbox is a Window Manager so it is not *supposed* to present any working environment. fvwm-crystal also makes choices for you, like installing a panel and wallpapers for you. It is inherent quality for a DE to make choices and install stuff for you so as to present an already working environment. If it is not doing this...it is not a DE. But I simply don't like DEs. If I'm going to spend time fine-tuning my desktop, I want exactly what I want, exactly the way I like it, not as close to how I like it as the DE supports. That's why I use build-it-yourself WMs like OB3 and FVWM. Before you entered into this discussion, you should have understood the difference between WMs and DEs. You are comparing apples with oranges. How smart it is? I will leave you to decide :) -- Regards, Abhay pgp1v0Kt5iAzd.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Easy? Software Products
Hi, Welcome to my leaner, stripped-to-the-basics, I-can't-setup-my-printer thread. Come in, make yourself at home. Much roomier here, as you can see. Ok, so you click on 'Do Administrative Tasks' at that place of mystery http://localhost:631/ and it asks you for your username and password and you give it your username and password and it asks you again and again...and as often as it asks, you give until you can give no more! Now what do you do? -mw __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On 1/21/06, Justin Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KDE and GNOME, from a user perspective, are about identical, except that KDE has a couple more bells and whistles. Not true from _this_ users's perspective. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Easy? Software Products
Use the root password - it's looking for root's login and password. At least that's how mine works. On Saturday January 21 2006 13:22, maxim wexler wrote: Hi, Welcome to my leaner, stripped-to-the-basics, I-can't-setup-my-printer thread. Come in, make yourself at home. Much roomier here, as you can see. Ok, so you click on 'Do Administrative Tasks' at that place of mystery http://localhost:631/ and it asks you for your username and password and you give it your username and password and it asks you again and again...and as often as it asks, you give until you can give no more! Now what do you do? -mw __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Brett I. Holcomb -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On 21 January 2006 16:50, Holly Bostick wrote: That's not the point, which is where we have a failure to communicate. Openbox and FVWM-crystal (and ICEwm, for that matter) are lighter, faster desktops than KDE partially because they do not contain the code to put icons on the desktop (whether I enable it in KDE or not). Unused code does *not* slow down an application. It's just, well, ... unused. ;-) If I suddenly change my mind and want icons on my desktop, I have to install idesk or something. That's the way (unh-huh, unh-huh) I *like* it. If I want an application to perform a function that I want or need, then I install it. If I don't want or need the functionality, it *is not present*. Frankly, I don't believe you. Some other part in your post indicates you use nano as an editor. Are you seriously claiming you have *ever* used all features (all the code) of nano? How about -p? Or -l? Is the corresponding code excluded from your nano? How about all the features (all the code) of cp? How about -l, --parents and -x, ever used them? If not so, is the corresponding code excluded from your cp? I won't even start to talk about tar of bash. I see that you use Thunderbird as your MTU. Does it support authenticating to the MTA when sending mail? Do you use that? Does it suport both POP3 and IMAP? Do you use both? Is the unused code excluded from your Thunderbird? Almost no user will use all code in any non-trivial application (and yes, cp is non-trivial). What are developers to do about it? Make cp modular so that a user can decide at compile time what features they will use five month from now? Even a very small text-only linux installation contains a couple of hundred executables. You got to be kidding! [ snip ] A lot of people care about this, both users and developers; It's a little issue known as User Interface Consistency, which people seem to find very important for new and/or inexperienced users (for experienced users it's more of an ongoing annoyance than a show-stopper, I think). Certainly programs exist to resolve that, both KDE and GNOME developers spend time migrating to the freedesktop.org standard to resolve that and users ask questions on this and other forums asking how to resolve at least the presenting visual issues. Myself, I generally try to solve the issue by sticking to one toolset, but that is not always possible. And it is annoying... if I use Krusader, and want to show hidden files in my home folder, the command or menu item to do that is in a different place than where it is in Nautilus or another GTK-toolset file manager or file browser for open/save dialogs. That means I have to *stop what I'm actually doing* (viewing my files) and think about which fm I'm using and remember that this one does it this way (as opposed to the one I usually use) and then go back to what I'm doing. It interrupts the seamless flow of your task, and people object to that to a greater or lesser degree, depending on how much interruption they can support before the task becomes unperformable, or more difficult to perform than the task is worth. These two paragraphs, of course, are very good, though not all, arguments *for* DEs. As a computer user (and software developer), I go back to the famous ZX-81 when it was new. (Those who do not know it google for it!) Nonetheless, consistent menus, dialogues, ... speed me up in using applications - especially apps I don't use that often. I do admit that KDE hasn't reached that goal completely yet. For example, some applications show Configure This-app as the first entry under Settings, others as the last one. I am pretty sure similar examples can be found in the GNOME world. Still, both DEs are far better in this regard than any wild mix of xpdf, xterm, OpenOffice, GIMP, xmms and 700 other UIs. Uwe -- Unix is sexy: who | grep -i blonde | date cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount sleep -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Easy? Software Products
On Saturday 21 January 2006 23:52, maxim wexler wrote: Ok, so you click on 'Do Administrative Tasks' at that place of mystery http://localhost:631/ and it asks you for your username and password and you give it your username and password and it asks you again and again...and as often as it asks, you give until you can give no more! Give root as username and root password. -- Regards, Abhay pgp3B8K8gLpRZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On 21 January 2006 16:50, Holly Bostick wrote: So for all of me, they could have done something else with that time (like make the code modular, so if I didn't want it, I could disable it with a USE flag or something, Forgot this in my other mail: When I looked last time, konqueror contained not one single line of code for rendering HTML, jpeg, gif, text or anything else. It uses other applications for that. Pretty modular and slick, huh? Uwe -- Unix is sexy: who | grep -i blonde | date cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount sleep -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Easy? Software Products
On Saturday 21 January 2006 23:52, maxim wexler wrote: Hi, Welcome to my leaner, stripped-to-the-basics, I-can't-setup-my-printer thread. Come in, make yourself at home. Much roomier here, as you can see. Oops!!! Looks like I missed your more obese thread about this same problem. Can you post output of emerge -pv cups and emerge --info -- Regards, Abhay pgpbZYzub1ii0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 11:07 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: On 1/21/06, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A flamewar about flamewars. Well the most popular flamewar on this list is obiously about filesystems, so that must be the best! :P -Richard I still use ext3 for / and ext2 for /boot. I get confused about all the others. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On 21 January 2006 20:07, Richard Fish wrote: On 1/21/06, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A flamewar about flamewars. Well the most popular flamewar on this list is obiously about filesystems, so that must be the best! :P I forgot that one. Shame on me! Uwe -- Unix is sexy: who | grep -i blonde | date cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount sleep -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:07:21 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: What about the one about top-posting Well the most popular flamewar on this list is obiously about filesystems, so that must be the best! :P vs. bottom-posting? ;-) -- Neil Bothwick If a deaf person swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
Michael Sullivan wrote: On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 11:07 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: I still use ext3 for / and ext2 for /boot. I get confused about all the others. I don't grok that. *cough*FAT12*cough* is all you need :p (and 640KB of ram is enough for everybody). Personally I use ext3 for everything except windows partitions. I have 3 NTFS-partitions, and one FAT32 partition. The freeware read/write ext2-driver for Windows doesn't work with Windows 2003, so I have to use FAT32. Especially because captive-ntfs aren't working for me. Kristian Poul Herkild. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
Michael Sullivan wrote: I still use ext3 for / and ext2 for /boot. I get confused about all the others. I have ext2 for /boot and reiserfs for everything else. But reiserfs fragmentation is going to make me pretty angry... m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with CUPS
maxim wexler wrote: Because you have the same interface to set up a printer on your, your neighbours' and your 10.000-km-away pen pal. so? So you don't have to write two (if you are a developer) or learn to use two (if you are an end user). Can you explain me the need to not use http for your own config and using it for external configs, while you can have a single configuration app? No I can't explain you. That's the question _I_ ask. You were wondering if HTTP was overkill for CUPS configuration. I think that not using HTTP would be really overkill, not the contrary. m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple Firefox v1.5 Instances
On Чтв, 2006-01-19 at 09:11 -0800, Richard Ruth wrote: How do I start a second instance of FireFox V1.5? I do not have firefox-1.5 installed by try $ firefox --help Peter. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
Hi, I have only one question: how do you deal with the data-eating bugs, nautilus is known for? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:07:06 +, Justin Hart wrote: KDE and GNOME, from a user perspective, are about identical, If that were true, it would be impossible to start a DE flamewar among users. PS vi and emacs are the same :) -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 020: Error recording error codes - Additional errors will be lost. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Old kernel versions
Beau E. Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now I notice in eix that all my old kernels are marked as 'installed'. I normally keep only the previous kernel in /boot. Can I safely 'emerge -C' the older kernels w/o upsetting my apple cart? Yes: unlike most packages these are the kernel *sources* not the kernel install (which you have done manually). (So you could do emerge gentoo sources, config, make, install etc, and immediately remove the kernel sources.) -- Simon Kellett,| Gentoo Linux, Fvwm, Firefox Darmstadt, Germany| Xemacs, Vm, Gnus -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Multiple Firefox v1.5 Instances
Richard Ruth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that I am using FireFox V1.5 (Deer Park), if FireFox is already running, /usr/bin/firefox -ProfileManager does not start the profile manager, instead a new FireFox window of the already running FireFox is started. How do I start a second instance of FireFox V1.5? Does export MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1; firefox ; firefox -ProfileManager help ? -- Simon Kellett,| Gentoo Linux, Fvwm, Firefox Darmstadt, Germany| Xemacs, Vm, Gnus -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with CUPS
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:55:17 -0800 (PST), maxim wexler wrote: And can somebody explain the need to use http to set up a printer on one's own computer? Afterall PC *does* mean personal computer. I'm assuming that localhost:631 is on my own machine. But even so it seems a bit much. Leaving aside all the arguments already presented about it being easier for the developers (they can give you a GUI configuration tool without having to code a GUI) - you don't have to use a browser to configure CUPS, there are other alternatives, such as KDE's printer config tool. -- Neil Bothwick Manual Writer's Creed: Garbage in, gospel out. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: which video card for dell2005fpw
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm looking for recommendations for a new video card. Obviously something that works well with Linux in general and Gentoo in particular. Any suggestions? Depends a bit on what you want: basic stuff or 3d-gaming ! Should I prefer a digital interface over the analog? I think yes: why convert to an analog signal when the source and receiver are both digital ? Also now problems with alignment. However, when I looked anyway, you could not save any money by only have DVI - you have to buy a card that supports both !! -- Simon Kellett,| Gentoo Linux, Fvwm, Firefox Darmstadt, Germany| Xemacs, Vm, Gnus -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] KDE without ARTS
List Members - I have been looking through the list archives and haven't found an answer to my question. I have compiled KDE 3.5 with alsa -arts in my make.conf. Now is it possible to hear System Notifications, by using an external audio player. I have set up an external audio player in Kcontrol, but I still can not hear System Notifications. Thanks, James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with CUPS
On Птн, 2006-01-20 at 08:55 -0800, maxim wexler wrote: According to the Gentoo Printing Guide - Installing the Printer, I'm to go to http://localhost:631 and then click on Administration. Well, there's Do Administrative Tasks, so I clicked on that. The guide says to enter root login and password into the box but the box only asks for username. Just a crazy idea. May be you should change the size of you window? Another possible solution is to use kdeprint. Peter. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Kppp and two different accounts
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:49:03 -0600, Dale wrote: I'm goin gthrough the loop with dbus and hal at the moment. First it upgrades then it won't work then it downgrades again and I have to keep messing with them until I can get them both to work. Some dev needs a better hammer. I'm about ready to just type in mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom and be done with it. Is this strange or what?? It's expected. Later versions of HAL and D-BUS are incompatible with their predecessors. It looks like you may have some software using the old API and some the new. Adding --tree to the emerge command should tell you which want each version. I had to keyword them to upgrade KDE. I just removed the keyword and let it go back to the old versions and it works now. KDE seems happy too. I haven't tried deleting those files yet. I'll log out eventually I guess. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE without ARTS
On Сбт, 2006-01-21 at 14:55 -0500, James Colby wrote: I have been looking through the list archives and haven't found an answer to my question. I have compiled KDE 3.5 with alsa -arts in my make.conf. Now is it possible to hear System Notifications, by using an external audio player. I have set up an external audio player in Kcontrol, but I still can not hear System Notifications. Because this does not work. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99246 Peter. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-user] Can't browse WinXP shares from gentoo
I've searched all over google and the like, and I'm at my wits' end... I cannot get my gentoo box to connect to any of my roommate's Windows XP Pro shares. His computer is named JDpc: # smbclient -L //jdpc -N Anonymous login successful Domain=[RAWSEWAGE] OS=[Windows 5.1] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] Sharename Type Comment - --- Error returning browse list: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED Anonymous login successful Domain=[RAWSEWAGE] OS=[Windows 5.1] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] Server Comment ---- WorkgroupMaster ---- I've tried both listing and directly connecting to individual shares via smbclient AND mount.cifs, no luck. It works if and only if I provide a specific user name and password (my roommates' username and password). Even -U Administrator does not work! All the shares have both Everyone and Guest set to Full Control. I'm convinced this is some overtight security setting on the WinXP Pro box. He recently upgraded, and before, with Win2k, we did not have this problem. Does anyone have any suggestions or ideas? Much appreciated, Thank you, Matt -- Matt Garman email at: http://raw-sewage.net/index.php?file=email -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Old kernel versions
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:50:06 +0100, Simon Kellett wrote: (So you could do emerge gentoo sources, config, make, install etc, and immediately remove the kernel sources.) As long as you don't need any third party kernel modules, like the Nvidia drivers. -- Neil Bothwick Speak softly and carry a cellular phone. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't browse WinXP shares from gentoo
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 03:04:03PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # smbclient -L //jdpc -N Error returning browse list: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED My conclusion is that you absolutely *must* use a non-null username AND password when connecting to Windows XP Professional. Apparently, you cannot connect to any share with a username that does not have the password set. Can anyone confirm or deny this? If there is a way to get true anonymous browse access to a WinXPPro box, I'd like to hear it. Thanks, Matt -- Matt Garman email at: http://raw-sewage.net/index.php?file=email -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't browse WinXP shares from gentoo
My conclusion is that you absolutely *must* use a non-null username AND password when connecting to Windows XP Professional. Apparently, you cannot connect to any share with a username that does not have the password set. Can anyone confirm or deny this? If there is a way to get true anonymous browse access to a WinXPPro box, I'd like to hear it. I can access my Windows XP Pro's shares with out user name or password quite successfully. Using both xsmbrowser and mounting them in the terminal. Are you sure that the other XP machines on the network dont also require a password to access the shares? -- Ryan Viljoen Bsc(Eng) (Electrical) Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. - Mark Twain -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On 1/21/06, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Sullivan wrote: I still use ext3 for / and ext2 for /boot.I get confused about all the others.I have ext2 for /boot and reiserfs for everything else. But reiserfsfragmentation is going to make me pretty angry... m.XFS is the best. It is supported, it is reasonably fast, it has a defragmenter, it has repair tools that are not only supported, but known to work It has ways to optimize for extremely large filesystems, and, though it won't win speed records in some areas, it holds it's own. I have been using it since 2000. I even use it for boot, but there is no reason for that. This year I began running most of my fs's in sync mode, except for highly active data shares. This has actually had very little impact at all. When I run upgrades, I remount async, but I have found that sync mode does not cause horrible slowness, and frankly kicks ass. I even run my desktops in sync mode. I have used ext2 tons, ext3 enough to dislike it, reiserfs and jfs. I have tested most all of them on production servers. Last year we re building a new database server with JFS. It is a dual opteron, and at length we ran into a few problems where we got no real errors, but JFS would spit out something random and remount the fs readonly. Memtest, this that the other - none of it worked. We ended up using XFS. So, since we are on the topic of flame wars... and there is this random FS post, theres my two cents.Thanks, Joshua
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Saturday 21 January 2006 14:46, a tiny voice compelled Neil Bothwick to write: PS vi and emacs are the same OH MY GOD NO! Not that again. -- Regards, Ernie -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Sunday 22 January 2006 00:02, Ernie Schroder wrote: On Saturday 21 January 2006 14:46, a tiny voice compelled Neil Bothwick to write: PS vi and emacs are the same OH MY GOD NO! Not that again. why not? he is correct. Both were made to drive their users crazy. vi with stupid 'modes' and even more stupid command keys. emacs by grabbing all system ressources, 'funny' bugs and 'interessting' 'enhancements'. Oh, and it is written in lisp. So, fundamentally, they are the same. Vile creatures made to torture humans. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't browse WinXP shares from gentoo
Windows XP is very odd when it comes to looking up shares from other computers. Go into your connection properties, uncheck File and Print Sharing, then restart. Add File and Print Sharing back in. Do the same with the guest account next. Finally, very temporarily share your first hard drive just to enable file sharing. Once it's on, you can immediately turn it back off. Reboot and you should be good to go. This applies to any type of incoming machine, be it linux, windows, mac.On 1/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've searched all over google and the like, and I'm at my wits'end... I cannot get my gentoo box to connect to any of my roommate'sWindows XP Pro shares.His computer is named JDpc:# smbclient -L //jdpc -N Anonymous login successfulDomain=[RAWSEWAGE] OS=[Windows 5.1] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager]Sharename TypeComment- ---Error returning browse list: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED Anonymous login successfulDomain=[RAWSEWAGE] OS=[Windows 5.1] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager]Server CommentWorkgroupMaster I've tried both listing and directly connecting to individual sharesvia smbclient AND mount.cifs, no luck.It works if and only if I provide a specific user name and password (my roommates' username and password).Even -U Administrator doesnot work!All the shares have both Everyone and Guest set toFull Control.I'm convinced this is some overtight security setting on the WinXP Pro box.He recently upgraded, and before, with Win2k, we did nothave this problem.Does anyone have any suggestions or ideas?Much appreciated,Thank you,Matt--Matt Garmanemail at: http://raw-sewage.net/index.php?file=email--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Jason Weisberger[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 04:48:24AM +, b.n. wrote Ehm. Perhaps it's me being dense but: who cares about unused code? Ok, you have unnecessary, unused code sitting on your HD: where's the problem? You never see it. A year ago, I was using a 1999 Dell (128 megs RAM, 450 mhz PIII) as my main machine. I still have it around as my emergency backup. KDE runs (would you believe crawls) painfully slowly on that machine. Using blackbox plus fbpanel, it's perfectly OK for most stuff, except that it drops frames on internet TV and working with 2560x1920 digital photos in Gimp is leisurely. On my AMDK8, in 32-bit mode, it screams. Old DOS games run faster under DOSBOX than they did on a 10 mhz AT. I have the original floppies for Chessmaster 3000. It does *NOT* run under Wine. At work, they were throwing out some old stuff, including real Windows 3.1 floppies. I installed Win3.2 under DOSBOX, and it runs Chessmaster 3000 just fine! -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
You are not being dense - unused code does nothing but take up disc space. On 01/21/06 19:34:02, Walter Dnes wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 04:48:24AM +, b.n. wrote Ehm. Perhaps it's me being dense but: who cares about unused code? Ok, you have unnecessary, unused code sitting on your HD: where's the problem? You never see it. A year ago, I was using a 1999 Dell (128 megs RAM, 450 mhz PIII) as my main machine. I still have it around as my emergency backup. KDE runs (would you believe crawls) painfully slowly on that machine. Using blackbox plus fbpanel, it's perfectly OK for most stuff, except that it drops frames on internet TV and working with 2560x1920 digital photos in Gimp is leisurely. On my AMDK8, in 32-bit mode, it screams. Old DOS games run faster under DOSBOX than they did on a 10 mhz AT. I have the original floppies for Chessmaster 3000. It does *NOT* run under Wine. At work, they were throwing out some old stuff, including real Windows 3.1 floppies. I installed Win3.2 under DOSBOX, and it runs Chessmaster 3000 just fine! -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't browse WinXP shares from gentoo
You might want to uncheck simple file sharing in the file options and see if that works. On Saturday January 21 2006 19:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 11:45:38PM +0200, Ryan Viljoen wrote: I can access my Windows XP Pro's shares with out user name or password quite successfully. Using both xsmbrowser and mounting them in the terminal. Are you sure that the other XP machines on the network dont also require a password to access the shares? Did you have to do anything special to enable that kind of sharing? This is the only Windows box on the network (it's my local home LAN), so I don't have anything else to use as a comparison or reference. shrug Matt -- Matt Garman email at: http://raw-sewage.net/index.php?file=email -- Brett I. Holcomb -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't browse WinXP shares from gentoo
Go onto your roommates box and turn administrative tools on the start menu. Then go to Administrative tools, Local Security Policy. From there go to Local Policy - Security Options. In the right view, find Network Access: Sharing and Security for Local Accounts, then change that setting to Classic - local users authenticate as themselves. Also note the above setting where it shows which shares can be accessed anonymously. On 1/21/06, Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might want to uncheck simple file sharing in the file options and see ifthat works.On Saturday January 21 2006 19:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 11:45:38PM +0200, Ryan Viljoen wrote: I can access my Windows XP Pro's shares with out user name or password quite successfully. Using both xsmbrowser and mounting them in the terminal. Are you sure that the other XP machines on the network dont also require a password to access the shares? Did you have to do anything special to enable that kind of sharing? This is the only Windows box on the network (it's my local home LAN), so I don't have anything else to use as a comparison or reference. shrug Matt -- Matt Garman email at: http://raw-sewage.net/index.php?file=email--Brett I. Holcomb--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Courier-IMAP
I just switched from using UW-IMAP to Courier-IMAP. Everything is working great. But, I noticed that the most current stable version for x86 is 4.0.1 and the most unstable version is 4.0.4. On the Courier webpage, version 4.0.6 has been out since September of last year. Is there current development with Courier-IMAP? Will we be seeing newer versions released? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 11:05 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: Some advice for etiquette on this list: 1. Don't top post. 2. _DON'T_ post html messages 3. Learn to trim the message you are replying to. -Richard Thank you for your advice! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 01:19:53AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:14:01 +0100 Pawe?? Madej [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| for me it is used to make vim modular X compatible.
Wha? No no no. If that flag is off, vim won't go anywhere near X. If
that flag is on, vim will link against either modular or non-modular X.
Talking about vim and X, I have a question...
Background - I stay in real text consoles at 80x48 (YES!) as much as
possible. I do email (mutt) and usenet (slrn) and file management (mc)
in text mode. Web-surfing (Firefox), internet TV (mplayer), and
digital photos (Gimp) obviously require X. So I do a lot of switching
between {ALT-F10} (X session), {CTRL-ALT-F1} (mutt), and {CTRL-ALT-F2}
(slrn}, etc. I've tweaked ~/.urlview to open a new tab in Firefox from
mutt running in a text console. I've done something similar with slrn.
The one thing I find painful in my setup is copying text from the X
session to a text session or visa versa. I end up opening vim in X,
saving the selected text to ~/x, switching to a text console, and then
:r ~/x
in vim. At work, where I have to use Windows (ptui) I can copy text
from the GUI to the clipboard, {ALT-TAB} to a vim session, and paste the
clipboard with * even if vim is running in a textmode console. Is
there some similar channel for vim in linux?
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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 07:17 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: On 1/20/06, Linux Java [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. Linus recommends you use KDE. http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html Don't take me wrong, i really respect Linus and appreaciate what he did, but i don't care a damn second about the dektop environment he prefers because this is mostly a matter of tase. I use gnome because i like gnomes simplistic approach, because i like evolution, nautilus, totem, the gnome terminal, gtk+ and especially gtkmm (c++ api for gtk+ - qt folks should really take a look at it) and lot's of great gtk+ based programs like inkscape, gimp, gvim, beep-media-player, ... But the really great thing is that there are lot's of desktop environments and/or window-managers out there and everybody can make it's own choice. Matthias -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
Walter Dnes wrote: A year ago, I was using a 1999 Dell (128 megs RAM, 450 mhz PIII) as my main machine. I still have it around as my emergency backup. KDE runs (would you believe crawls) painfully slowly on that machine. Using blackbox plus fbpanel, it's perfectly OK for most stuff, except that it drops frames on internet TV and working with 2560x1920 digital photos in Gimp is leisurely. On my AMDK8, in 32-bit mode, it screams. I have ran a old 400MHz machine with 128MBs of ram before. If you can get some more ram in there, it will run a lot faster. It is the ram more than the CPU that is holding you back speed wise. I put in another 128MBs and the speed was about three times faster. I had the same issue with a AMD 800Mhz machine with 128MBs. I just added 64MBs to it and it was a lot faster. I increased the 800MHz machine to about 300MBs later on. It helped some but not a lot. I just happened to get a system that didn't work but had some ram in it. I suspect KDE, and the kernel, needs about 200MBs together to run efficiently. This is based on my experience. I would not try to run a system with 128MBs again, unless I had too. Just a thought. Dale :-) Let's see if I can send email tonight. says prayer -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] usb - sandisk memory needs FAT or NTFS
Hello, Well I have 2 different usb memory devices and I cannot seem to get a fat (or ntfs) file system on them. I have to manually mount them with this command as coldplug does not do it automatically. I have to use: 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb' Then I can use 'cp' to copy files onto the usb mem device but windows can only see the name, not copy files off of the usb mem device. Here's the fstab entries I have tried: none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0 #/dev/sda1 /mnt/usbautonoauto,user,sync 0 0 /dev/sda1/mnt/usbautonoauto,user 0 0 I need to copy a microsoft (.exe) file from a gentoo (archive) to a usb (1.0) memory device so it can be moved to a windows pc. I want my gentoo system to auto-sense the usb memory device including the file system type and make it so I can use cp and other linux programs to copy files over to the windoz file system on the usb memory sticks. If I have to I can use 'mcopy' or other such program on the gentoo system to put windows files onto the usb mem device, when it is plugged into the gentoo system. Any good wiki's or docs? I've tried to follow several web pages but most are old and none show how to have the fat (ntfs) file system automounted upon insertion of the usb sandisk device, which comes from a windows 2000 user, into a gentoo system. ideas? James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Courier-IMAP
On (21/01/06 18:26), Jeff Grossman wrote: I just switched from using UW-IMAP to Courier-IMAP. Everything is working great. But, I noticed that the most current stable version for x86 is 4.0.1 and the most unstable version is 4.0.4. On the Courier webpage, version 4.0.6 has been out since September of last year. Is there current development with Courier-IMAP? Will we be seeing newer versions released? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Hi, First search Bugzilla for any new version, if there's none file a Bug. Rumen pgphqzoZZIqkK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] usb - sandisk memory needs FAT or NTFS
On (22/01/06 04:48), James wrote: Hello, Well I have 2 different usb memory devices and I cannot seem to get a fat (or ntfs) file system on them. I have to manually mount them with this command as coldplug does not do it automatically. I have to use: 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb' Then I can use 'cp' to copy files onto the usb mem device but windows can only see the name, not copy files off of the usb mem device. Here's the fstab entries I have tried: none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0 #/dev/sda1 /mnt/usbautonoauto,user,sync 0 0 /dev/sda1/mnt/usbautonoauto,user 0 0 I need to copy a microsoft (.exe) file from a gentoo (archive) to a usb (1.0) memory device so it can be moved to a windows pc. I want my gentoo system to auto-sense the usb memory device including the file system type and make it so I can use cp and other linux programs to copy files over to the windoz file system on the usb memory sticks. If I have to I can use 'mcopy' or other such program on the gentoo system to put windows files onto the usb mem device, when it is plugged into the gentoo system. Any good wiki's or docs? I've tried to follow several web pages but most are old and none show how to have the fat (ntfs) file system automounted upon insertion of the usb sandisk device, which comes from a windows 2000 user, into a gentoo system. ideas? James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Hi, Tranfering data Linux-Windows through USB-stick works for me. First i've put FAT32 filesystem on USB, using some HP 'win' program. Windows reads/writes the data w/o problems. Linux automounts the stick (with 'vfat' fs) using dbus-hal-ivman trio. Don't have any settings (for USB) in my /etc/fstab. PS: don't forget to eject the Media before taking it out, both LinWin. HTH.Rumen pgpvtREMtjxfd.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] any easy way to reemerge kde using equery or similar tool?
Hello everyone, It's late and I'm trying to reemerge kde using equery. I know how to use equery to display the packages I need to rebuild, but it fails with: # emerge -pv $(equery -q l kde-base/) These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies !!! 'kde-base/akregator-3.5.0' is not a valid package atom. !!! Please check ebuild(5) for full details. !!! (Did you specify a version but forget to prefix with '='?) So, how do I tell equery to NOT output package versions? Or is there another way to do what I want? Many thanks in advance, Norberto -- Norberto Bensa 4544-9692 Ciudad de Buenos Aires, Argentina -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:01:26 -0500 Walter Dnes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| At work, where I have to use Windows (ptui) I can copy text
| from the GUI to the clipboard, {ALT-TAB} to a vim session, and paste
| the clipboard with * even if vim is running in a textmode console.
| Is there some similar channel for vim in linux?
+ and * , but only if you USE=vim-with-x.
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