Re: [gentoo-user] Multi-file search replace of text
On 28 Feb, Stroller wrote: Hi there, If I want to automagically replace text in a file, I can use `sed`. I don't believe that `sed` can be invoked in such a way to change the file in place, therefore two commands are necessary: $ sed 's/Project Gutenberg/Wordsworth Classics/' foo bar $ mv bar foo $ Using `grep` I can search *recursively* through directories to find the text I'm looking for. EG: `grep -R Gutenberg ~` I would like to find every instance of $foo in a directory hierarchy and replace it with $bar. Is there any tool that will combine all these operations for me? If not, what is the best way to string together grep and sed so that they'll do what I want? You might have a look at an old program which is still quite useful The link in the following web page is broken! http://centoshacker.com/kabir/utility/global-search-and-replace-using-the-fgres-utility.html Download from http://wiki.uni-konstanz.de/pitz/fgres.html Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] attach a perl script to daemon services
On Monday 01 March 2010 06:16:09 Harry Putnam wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: FWIW, Solaris syslogd is like other basic tools on Solaris: standards compliant in that it caters for the lowest common denominator that comprises Unix. Which is to say, almost always useless for real work. A little turn towards OT: so what are using your opensolaris machines for? The advantages of zfs? I had Solaris, not OpenSolaris. I've been steadily reducing my Solaris machines (mostly because of the horrendous cost) and not many are left. Other teams here still have quite a few, mostly for proprietary ISP monitoring stuff, Oracle, VoIP billing systems - that kind of thing. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] mail client for mbox format sought
Hi, my setup here is a running Postix MTA which stores all incoming mail into a single file (per user) in mbox format (/var/spool/mail/$USER) I'm desparately looking for a mail client with a GUI which can handle that. I didn't manage to configure Thunderbird(-3.0.1) (it always tries to set up an IMAP or POP3 account) and importing mails from the mbox file again and again isn't a solution. I've tried Evolution, setting Receiving Email' to 'Standard Unix mbox spool file'. This shows my email headers but when I click on one of these I always get 'Summary and folder mismatch, even after a sync' I've been googling around but any suggestions to remove some index files didn't help either. So, does anybody know a solution? Many thanks, Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] mail client for mbox format sought
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:06:49AM +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, my setup here is a running Postix MTA which stores all incoming mail into a single file (per user) in mbox format (/var/spool/mail/$USER) I'm desparately looking for a mail client with a GUI which can handle that. I didn't manage to configure Thunderbird(-3.0.1) (it always tries to set up an IMAP or POP3 account) and importing mails from the mbox file again and again isn't a solution. I've tried Evolution, setting Receiving Email' to 'Standard Unix mbox spool file'. This shows my email headers but when I click on one of these I always get 'Summary and folder mismatch, even after a sync' I've been googling around but any suggestions to remove some index files didn't help either. So, does anybody know a solution? Many thanks, Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany How about claws? As far as I remember it supports mbox format :-) -- Zeerak Waseem pgpas27RaE23I.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
On Monday 01 March 2010 03:47:12 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 01:07:21 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Don't read my post as literally meaning they must type the 7 characters sudo su. Read it more as use any feature of sudo you feel like to get a root shell, but you must use sudo. As opposed to using su alone. The problem with this in your situation is that you only get a log entry when the user switches to root, not for whatever they do in that root shell, whereas having them run each command with sudo logs every action they take as root. Or do you have a way of auditing the commands run from the root shell? We just log the fact of running sudo. The admins are trusted to not cock things up, and if they do, to not try and hide it. The philosophy is simple - if we feel we can't trust you, we would not have hired you. Editing root's history after the fact to hide your tracks is considered a heinous crime of unimaginable proportions. Anyone caught doing it is sentenced to buy cake for the entire technical team. That's about 100 people. And when I saw cake I don't mean a teeny weeny jam tart each, I mean cake - chocolate filled croissants, black forest and my personal favourite: 4 inch high carrot cake. People only buy cake once around here :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] mail client for mbox format sought
On Monday 01 March 2010 11:08:27 Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:06:49AM +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, my setup here is a running Postix MTA which stores all incoming mail into a single file (per user) in mbox format (/var/spool/mail/$USER) I'm desparately looking for a mail client with a GUI which can handle that. I didn't manage to configure Thunderbird(-3.0.1) (it always tries to set up an IMAP or POP3 account) and importing mails from the mbox file again and again isn't a solution. I've tried Evolution, setting Receiving Email' to 'Standard Unix mbox spool file'. This shows my email headers but when I click on one of these I always get 'Summary and folder mismatch, even after a sync' I've been googling around but any suggestions to remove some index files didn't help either. So, does anybody know a solution? Many thanks, Helmut. How about claws? As far as I remember it supports mbox format :-) As does mail, mailx, kmail and mutt. Actually, almost every mail client except Evolution - which seems to insist on doing it's own weird thing with mboxes. s -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:08:22 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: We just log the fact of running sudo. The admins are trusted to not cock things up, and if they do, to not try and hide it. The philosophy is simple - if we feel we can't trust you, we would not have hired you. That is sensible, if not good for your BOFH rating :) Editing root's history after the fact to hide your tracks is considered a heinous crime of unimaginable proportions. Anyone caught doing it is sentenced to buy cake for the entire technical team. That's about 100 people. And when I saw cake I don't mean a teeny weeny jam tart each, I mean cake - chocolate filled croissants, black forest and my personal favourite: 4 inch high carrot cake. I take that back :) -- Neil Bothwick Forget the Joneses...I can't keep up with The Simpsons. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] aclocal failing on all emerges
Harry Putnam writes: All fail when aclocal is trotted out. I don't see recent threads here about it... googling turns up a herd of bugs involving aclocal but then newest is 2008. The newest threads here that even mention aclocal date around Jan 20. I didn't change the compiler (gcc-4.3.4) since the first sync and update world. gcc-4.4.3 is also installed but I'm using 4.3.4 Today I ran: emerge -v sys-devel/automake-wrapper (the package that has aclocal in it) I'd try to emerge the other autotools stuff, too: emerge -a $( qlist -CeLS sys-devel/autoconf sys-devel/automake ) Just an idea, as no better ones came up. Looks like you have a very nasty problem there. Wonko
[gentoo-user] Gentoo down?
I guess the web site is down this morning? (6:30AM PST) I cannot get through anyway. - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo down?
yeah, it's really down: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.gentoo.org On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: I guess the web site is down this morning? (6:30AM PST) I cannot get through anyway. - Mark -- Crístian Deives dos Santos Viana [aka CD1]
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo down?
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Crístian Viana cristiandei...@gmail.com wrote: yeah, it's really down: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.gentoo.org On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: I guess the web site is down this morning? (6:30AM PST) I cannot get through anyway. - Mark Cool little site. Thanks for the link! - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo down?
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/02/10 01:24, Mark Knecht wrote: I guess the web site is down this morning? (6:30AM PST) I cannot get through anyway. - Mark Confirmed, though I can still ping it. Guess I'll have to wait for some nvidia installation instructions. Thanks!
[gentoo-user] Official document for stabilization policy/guideline
I've found a few people referencing to a 30-day stabilization policy which basically says a package must be at least 30-days-old to be considered for stabilization, but is there any document that serves as an official guideline/checklist on how to consider to stabilize a package? Is the 30-day policy the only policy? I've been running several ~arch-ed packages that appears to be compile and runs fine on my machine and would like to vote them for stabilization. Is it enough to just open a bug issue and pray that the arch manager would notice?
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo down?
On 03/02/10 01:24, Mark Knecht wrote: I guess the web site is down this morning? (6:30AM PST) I cannot get through anyway. - Mark Confirmed, though I can still ping it.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
Alex Schuster wrote: [KDE4 problems] And so on. But it's not so bad I cannot work with it (well, sometimes it is, and then I have to fix it, like when the password dialog no longer accepted passwords), and so I keep using it, waiting it to become really stable and usable. And another weekend of KDE4 trouble. I rebooted after some upgrades, along those were Qt and MySQL. Now, plasma-desktop crashed, also when restarting it on the command line. So again I renamed the .kde4 directory and got one from my last backup. The desktop came up, but kmail failed, due to akonadi not finding its database. I thought it had to do with the mysql update so I masked that one and tried to build an older version, but it did not build. Now I see this was not the old version I had running, but something in between. Anyway, the problem was another one, I had to rebuild qt-sql. I had some Qt blockers during the last @world update that the newest portage did not resolve, so I did an emerge -1av $( qlist -I qt- ) - after this, @world was updateable. Maybe this emerge -1 stuff was the problem, I have no idea. Then I wanted my last session back, as I had changed some things since the last backup and I also wanted my konqueror sessions - no idea where those are stored. So again I took the .kde directory (A) which was not working and the one from the last backup (B), and moved files from B to A until A was working again. And did so until I found which exact file was responsible for plasma-desktop not running (it was share/config/plasma- desktop-appletsrc). I had to reboot many times, because when KDE4 was running and plasma crashed, I had no way to log out adn had to restart the X server. And when switching to a text console and back to the newly started X server, I get an empty display on all consoles, probably due to the fglrx drivers. I know that already, but as I did not got any other drivers to run, I am stuck with ati-drivers. At least I have desktop effects and stuff running. You can lose a lot of time with this. And I am wondering if KDE4 is the right thing for me. On the one hand, I like it very much. And it is getting better and better. I just discovered that I can tab windows, this is soo cool. On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in this time? And KDE4 is slow. That maybe another problem, something seems to be wrong here, I'd expect the system to be faster, and not make any pauses when emerge is running (niced to 19 and also ioniced). I do not want to wait for seconds when switching desktops (sometimes its fast, sometimes not). Sorry for the whining, Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo down?
On 3/1/10, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/02/10 01:24, Mark Knecht wrote: I guess the web site is down this morning? (6:30AM PST) I cannot get through anyway. - Mark Confirmed, though I can still ping it. Guess I'll have to wait for some nvidia installation instructions. Thanks! If you're in a hurry then Google probably has the pages cached. Just search for gentoo nvidia, and hit the cache-link. -- Arttu V.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo down?
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:34:30 -0800 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Guess I'll have to wait for some nvidia installation instructions. Thanks! you may try the wiki though... http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo down?
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 05:30:40PM +0100, Daniel Wagener wrote: On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:34:30 -0800 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Guess I'll have to wait for some nvidia installation instructions. Thanks! you may try the wiki though... http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Main_Page And should you have any questions the wiki can't answer, ask them here, or for a faster response: The irc channels :-) -- Zeerak Waseem pgpmsQJdDzfyQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] vmware-workstation from vmware overlay broken digest
If any dev from the vmware overlay reads this, please fix this one: Calculating dependencies / * Digest verification failed: * /var/lib/layman/vmware/app-emulation/vmware-workstation/vmware-workstation-7.0.1.227600.ebuild * Reason: Failed on RMD160 verification * Got: 3619a7454b53411695537b5eb73d9213422b4097 * Expected: 9ba2a1698c4618d95bed0ca6e42cb4aaf38c8762 I don't know where to report bugs for ebuilds that are in overlays.
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting Dell with Windows 7
On 1 March 2010 15:04, Peter Ruskin peter.rus...@dsl.pipex.com wrote: On Sunday 28 February 2010 23:51:21 Mick wrote: I have now succeeded at achieving what I wanted: to use the Windows 7 boot manager (bootmgr.exe) which is the successor to NTLDR to chainload GRUB from it and so leave the Windows installation intact (at least until the warranty expires) ;-) [snip ...] Thanks for the howto, Mick. I followed it on my Windows Vista Home Premium 64; got The operation completed successfully all the way through, but on reboot I don't get a boot menu. Can you please post your partition table (cfdisk, or parted will do), let me know which is your Gentoo /boot partition if it is not obvious and the drive letters as understood by Vista when it is running. A screenshot of gparted will help (email off list to keep the bandwidth down) because it also shows the Labels. This doesn't matter much to me at the moment, as I use Acronis OSS Selector for boot manager, but this doesn't work on Windows 7, so my free update to Windows 7 is gathering dust. As long as the upgrade to Windows 7 does not mess up the MS boot partition then achieving this in Vista will be a good dry run for when you install Windows 7. However, I am not sure that you will be able to achieve this test run while Acronis is managing your boot session. My method implies that you use the native MSWindows boot manager. Gentoo Linux: Portage 2.2_rc63 kernel-2.6.32-gentoo-r5 AMD Phenom(tm) 9950 Quad-Core Processor gcc(Gentoo: 4.4.3) KDE: 3.5.10 Qt: 3.3.8b -- Regards, Mick
[gentoo-user] Pending layman directory relocation
(this is a rather obvious fix...) eselect news has a new notice, advising of the pending change of the presumed location of the layman directory from /usr/local/portage/layman to /var/lib/layman. It offers three ways to deal with this location change. I chose alternative A. (actually moving the directory and updating make.conf and layman make.conf) and wanted to do it before I forgot about it. However, until layman is actually upgraded to version 1.3x, the script/executable will reference /usr/local/portage/layman and fail. So layman users choosing alternative A. now may want to add a step; after moving the directory, put a soft link in the /usr/local/portage pointing to the new location; i.e. cd /usr/local/portage; ln -s /var/lib/layman layman HTH
[gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory relocation
On 03/01/2010 08:08 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: (this is a rather obvious fix...) eselect news has a new notice, advising of the pending change of the presumed location of the layman directory from /usr/local/portage/layman to /var/lib/layman. It offers three ways to deal with this location change. I chose alternative A. (actually moving the directory and updating make.conf and layman make.conf) and wanted to do it before I forgot about it. However, until layman is actually upgraded to version 1.3x, the script/executable will reference /usr/local/portage/layman and fail. So layman users choosing alternative A. now may want to add a step; after moving the directory, put a soft link in the /usr/local/portage pointing to the new location; i.e. cd /usr/local/portage; ln -s /var/lib/layman layman Or you can edit /var/lib/layman/make.conf and change the locations there.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote: On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in this time? Fuck knows what amarok-2x does for the first 5 minutes. I *think* On my system it scans the music directory, presumably to find updates that happened when amarok was not running. Fair enough, can't argue that, but why is it so *slow*??? Fuck also knows what the amarok devs are doing in general. I still can't find a way to move stuff to an mp3 player like the old 1.4 version did. And the library thingamagij still doesn't always update tags, or put tag changes that it itself did into it's own database. It gladly accepts any changes you make in the Edit Tags dialog, and tries to write them, even if it knows it cannot do it (no support for that format, permissions, etc). Then, no warning or message about this. Depending on which bleeding edge latest-svn commit build you happen to get on any given day, this last might or might not tell you something in the status bar. For all the above reasons, and more, I have switched to clementine (it's in portage). It's a Qt port of amarok-1.4 and has equivalents of all the music- playing goodness that amarok used to have. It doesn't do tags, external players, wikipedia etc etc, it just plays music. And you have to tag your music by other means with eg kid3. I can live with that. At least it starts and stays up. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Official document for stabilization policy/guideline
On Monday 01 March 2010 17:39:47 Lie Ryan wrote: I've found a few people referencing to a 30-day stabilization policy which basically says a package must be at least 30-days-old to be considered for stabilization, but is there any document that serves as an official guideline/checklist on how to consider to stabilize a package? Is the 30-day policy the only policy? 30 days has always been the strong suggestion. Perhaps not always applied, but always there as far as I recall. I've been running several ~arch-ed packages that appears to be compile and runs fine on my machine and would like to vote them for stabilization. Is it enough to just open a bug issue and pray that the arch manager would notice? Yes, just open a new bug in b.g.o. The bug wranglers will assign it to the appropriate team and you will get email notifications when something happens. This lets you check in on the bug every soon often to observe progress or perhaps bump if a long period of inactivity has passed. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware-workstation from vmware overlay broken digest
On Monday 01 March 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: If any dev from the vmware overlay reads this, please fix this one: Calculating dependencies / * Digest verification failed: * /var/lib/layman/vmware/app-emulation/vmware-workstation/vmware-workstation- 7.0.1.227600.ebuild * Reason: Failed on RMD160 verification * Got: 3619a7454b53411695537b5eb73d9213422b4097 * Expected: 9ba2a1698c4618d95bed0ca6e42cb4aaf38c8762 I don't know where to report bugs for ebuilds that are in overlays. I suppose something like perl -ne 'print name$1/name if /herd(.*?)\/herd/' /usr/local/portage/app-emulation/vmware-server/metadata.xml | grep -A2 -Ff- /usr/portage/metadata/herds.xml could be a starting point?
[gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory relocation
On 03/01/10 13:30, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-03-01 1:08 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: So layman users choosing alternative A. now may want to add a step; after moving the directory, put a soft link in the /usr/local/portage pointing to the new location; i.e. cd /usr/local/portage; ln -s /var/lib/layman layman Thanks, I was planning on doing the same thing and glad to be validated... Question: the news itme also mentioned the reason as something like 'layman violates the general rule that nothing in portage should touch anything in /usr/local'... Well... my local overlays (that I set up a long time ago) are there... and portage obviously 'touches' those, so... should I move them as well? I did; I simply moved the whole layman directory. Works.
Re: [gentoo-user] Pending layman directory relocation
On 2010-03-01 1:08 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: So layman users choosing alternative A. now may want to add a step; after moving the directory, put a soft link in the /usr/local/portage pointing to the new location; i.e. cd /usr/local/portage; ln -s /var/lib/layman layman Thanks, I was planning on doing the same thing and glad to be validated... Question: the news itme also mentioned the reason as something like 'layman violates the general rule that nothing in portage should touch anything in /usr/local'... Well... my local overlays (that I set up a long time ago) are there... and portage obviously 'touches' those, so... should I move them as well? -- Charles
[gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory relocation
On 03/01/10 13:26, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 03/01/2010 08:08 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: (this is a rather obvious fix...) eselect news has a new notice, advising of the pending change of the presumed location of the layman directory from /usr/local/portage/layman to /var/lib/layman. It offers three ways to deal with this location change. I chose alternative A. (actually moving the directory and updating make.conf and layman make.conf) and wanted to do it before I forgot about it. However, until layman is actually upgraded to version 1.3x, the script/executable will reference /usr/local/portage/layman and fail. So layman users choosing alternative A. now may want to add a step; after moving the directory, put a soft link in the /usr/local/portage pointing to the new location; i.e. cd /usr/local/portage; ln -s /var/lib/layman layman Or you can edit /var/lib/layman/make.conf and change the locations there. That didn't work for me; the current layman script still references the old location; which is why I added the soft link. The new 1.3x script will reference the new location. (though I suppose you could upgrade to 1.3 and avoid putting in the soft link)
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote: On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in this time? Fuck knows what amarok-2x does for the first 5 minutes. I *think* On my system it scans the music directory, presumably to find updates that happened when amarok was not running. Fair enough, can't argue that, but why is it so *slow*??? Fuck also knows what the amarok devs are doing in general. I still can't find a way to move stuff to an mp3 player like the old 1.4 version did. And the library thingamagij still doesn't always update tags, or put tag changes that it itself did into it's own database. It gladly accepts any changes you make in the Edit Tags dialog, and tries to write them, even if it knows it cannot do it (no support for that format, permissions, etc). Then, no warning or message about this. Depending on which bleeding edge latest-svn commit build you happen to get on any given day, this last might or might not tell you something in the status bar. For all the above reasons, and more, I have switched to clementine (it's in portage). It's a Qt port of amarok-1.4 and has equivalents of all the music- playing goodness that amarok used to have. It doesn't do tags, external players, wikipedia etc etc, it just plays music. And you have to tag your music by other means with eg kid3. I can live with that. At least it starts and stays up. And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is to soon to remove KDE 3? My pet peeve so far is the background slide show. Every time I log in, try to change a setting for the background, or sneeze the wrong way, it starts looking for the new images, even tho there may not be any. I have a huge amount of them and it takes almost 2 minutes to rebuild whatever it is building. While it is doing that, it won't do anything else. I'm hoping this will change sometime soon. Oh, I also don't like that the images are random. Most of my images are done as a slide show. Having them in random order sort of defeats the point. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Pending layman directory relocation
On Monday 01 March 2010 20:30:24 Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-03-01 1:08 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: So layman users choosing alternative A. now may want to add a step; after moving the directory, put a soft link in the /usr/local/portage pointing to the new location; i.e. cd /usr/local/portage; ln -s /var/lib/layman layman Thanks, I was planning on doing the same thing and glad to be validated... Question: the news itme also mentioned the reason as something like 'layman violates the general rule that nothing in portage should touch anything in /usr/local'... Well... my local overlays (that I set up a long time ago) are there... and portage obviously 'touches' those, so... should I move them as well? As it turns out, portage is hard-coded to skip over @PORT_DIR/local/ for the simple reason that your personal local overlay goes there. I have $PORT_DIR here redefined to be /var/portage/ and layman goes /var/portage/local/layman/, mostly because I think FHS is a good standard and it says /usr/ should be able to be mounted read-only. In short, if you put an explicit entry in make.conf for the layman overlays, you will be fine as you are no longer relying on a default that can change. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Monday 01 March 2010 21:07:18 Dale wrote: And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is to soon to remove KDE 3? To be fair, amarok is not part of KDE-4, it's a third party add-on to the KDE framework. Not much the KDE devs can do about that except encourage the Amarok devs to ship quality tested code. Sort of like AdBlock - if it were poor quality it would not be a correct reflection on Mozilla as a whole My pet peeve so far is the background slide show. Every time I log in, try to change a setting for the background, or sneeze the wrong way, it starts looking for the new images, even tho there may not be any. I have a huge amount of them and it takes almost 2 minutes to rebuild whatever it is building. While it is doing that, it won't do anything else. I'm hoping this will change sometime soon. Oh, I also don't like that the images are random. Most of my images are done as a slide show. Having them in random order sort of defeats the point. My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory relocation
On 2010-03-01 2:02 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote:
I did; I simply moved the whole layman directory. Works.
Yeah, but I didn't start off using layman when I added my first local
ebuild a long time ago, so they are not under layman - they are at the
same level - ie, /usr/local/portage contains:
/app-admin
/layman
/mail-client
etc...
/etc/make.conf has:
PORTDIR_OVERLAY=${PORTDIR_OVERLAY} /usr/local/portage
Now that I think about it - I wouldn't want to add my manually added
ebuilds directly in the layman directory, would I? I'd think that would
confuse layman? Now *I'm* confused (somehow I manage to do this to
myself at least 2 or 3 times a day)...
--
Charles
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory relocation
On 2010-03-01 1:26 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Or you can edit /var/lib/layman/make.conf Also - why /var/lib/layman, and not /var/lib/portage/layman? It looks a little odd just dumped in there all by itself. -- Charles
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Monday 01 March 2010 21:07:18 Dale wrote: And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is to soon to remove KDE 3? To be fair, amarok is not part of KDE-4, it's a third party add-on to the KDE framework. Not much the KDE devs can do about that except encourage the Amarok devs to ship quality tested code. Sort of like AdBlock - if it were poor quality it would not be a correct reflection on Mozilla as a whole This is true I guess. It is getting there but I still have to work around problems. It's still missing things but it is getting more usable. My pet peeve so far is the background slide show. Every time I log in, try to change a setting for the background, or sneeze the wrong way, it starts looking for the new images, even tho there may not be any. I have a huge amount of them and it takes almost 2 minutes to rebuild whatever it is building. While it is doing that, it won't do anything else. I'm hoping this will change sometime soon. Oh, I also don't like that the images are random. Most of my images are done as a slide show. Having them in random order sort of defeats the point. My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen. I still have a single CRT monitor. The LCDs are getting cheaper tho. Maybe they will fix or add the needed code for you to be able to do what you want before to long. I'm not sure when the next set of updates are coming out. I never could get the kde layman to work right so I gave up on it. The kde-sunset works fine tho. Weird. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Monday 01 March 2010 19:22:29 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 01 March 2010 21:07:18 Dale wrote: And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is to soon to remove KDE 3? To be fair, amarok is not part of KDE-4, it's a third party add-on to the KDE framework. Not much the KDE devs can do about that except encourage the Amarok devs to ship quality tested code. Sort of like AdBlock - if it were poor quality it would not be a correct reflection on Mozilla as a whole My pet peeve so far is the background slide show. Every time I log in, try to change a setting for the background, or sneeze the wrong way, it starts looking for the new images, even tho there may not be any. I have a huge amount of them and it takes almost 2 minutes to rebuild whatever it is building. While it is doing that, it won't do anything else. I'm hoping this will change sometime soon. Oh, I also don't like that the images are random. Most of my images are done as a slide show. Having them in random order sort of defeats the point. My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen. How does e17 compare in terms of resources to other WMs/DEs like *box, LXDE, xface, these days? I had a look at it when it was all the rage back when, but it looked too Gnomey to me at the time and I couldn't find a reason for preferring it over say fluxbox. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Monday 01 March 2010 16:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote: Alex Schuster wrote: [KDE4 problems] And so on. But it's not so bad I cannot work with it (well, sometimes it is, and then I have to fix it, like when the password dialog no longer accepted passwords), and so I keep using it, waiting it to become really stable and usable. And another weekend of KDE4 trouble. I rebooted after some upgrades, along those were Qt and MySQL. Now, plasma-desktop crashed, also when restarting it on the command line. [snip ...] Sorry for the whining, Nah! It's good to vent every now and then. :-)) Is it perhaps that you have a very complex/overloaded plasma set up? I've updated KDE on two machines and went swimmingly well. On one machine I first removed qt3 and then had no problems whatsoever. On the other I can't recall what I did with qt3 ... Other than that, I've noticed this sort of behaviour in the past with KDE2 and KDE3 when I was trying to use KDE while major apps were being updated. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Official document for stabilization policy/guideline
On 01/03/10 16:39, Lie Ryan wrote: I've found a few people referencing to a 30-day stabilization policy which basically says a package must be at least 30-days-old to be considered for stabilization, but is there any document that serves as an official guideline/checklist on how to consider to stabilize a package? Is the 30-day policy the only policy? I've been running several ~arch-ed packages that appears to be compile and runs fine on my machine and would like to vote them for stabilization. Is it enough to just open a bug issue and pray that the arch manager would notice? The policy says 30 day bug free, but it is always appreciated to get feedback from users about packages which are stable on their systems. So please go ahead and file bugs. If the maintainer has any objections against a stabilization, you will be informed about that in the bug. justin
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory relocation
On Monday 01 March 2010 22:19:45 Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-03-01 1:26 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Or you can edit /var/lib/layman/make.conf Also - why /var/lib/layman, and not /var/lib/portage/layman? It looks a little odd just dumped in there all by itself. Becuase layman is not part of paortgae and can be used without portage (eg with paludis). Therefore it does not belong in the portage directory, which would imply it is somehow part of portage when it is not -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] nvidia GeForce 6200 questions
Hi, I've been trying to get an nvidia controller working today and not having much luck. It's complaining about failing to load kernel module. As a starting point I'm following this guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml My nvidia device is (I think) a GeForce 6 family card: dragonfly ~ # lspci | grep VGA 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1) dragonfly ~ # and from this nVidia page seems to be supported by the 173.xx series drivers: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.25.html Because modinfo nvidia suggested it depended on them I've added agpgart and i2c-core to modules.autoload and after booting this is what's loaded: dragonfly ~ # lsmod Module Size Used by ipv6 176929 18 sg 19077 0 usb_storage29021 0 usbhid 18281 0 snd_intel8x0 19155 0 snd_ac97_codec 76628 1 snd_intel8x0 ac97_bus 662 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm42338 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec ehci_hcd 27089 0 uhci_hcd 15779 0 snd_timer 11966 1 snd_pcm usbcore87247 4 usb_storage,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd agpgart19136 0 snd31592 4 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer 8139cp 12993 0 soundcore 3607 1 snd rtc 6022 0 8139too14560 0 i2c_core 11618 0 snd_page_alloc 4685 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm processor 20861 0 thermal 9266 0 button 3526 0 thermal_sys 8333 2 processor,thermal dragonfly ~ # When I try to load the nvidia driver it just complains: dragonfly ~ # modprobe nvidia FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko): No such device dragonfly ~ # dragonfly ~ # modprobe --show-depends nvidia insmod /lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/kernel/drivers/i2c/i2c-core.ko insmod /lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/kernel/drivers/char/agp/agpgart.ko insmod /lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko NVreg_DeviceFileMode=432 NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=27 NVreg_ModifyDeviceFiles=1 dragonfly ~ # dragonfly ~ # modprobe -v nvidia insmod /lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko NVreg_DeviceFileMode=432 NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=27 NVreg_ModifyDeviceFiles=1 FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko): No such device dragonfly ~ # The driver exists: dragonfly ~ # ls -al /lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7859091 Mar 1 13:35 /lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko dragonfly ~ # I'm not clear what it means by 'no such device'. Is that a message that this driver doesn't support this card? I tried going down to the 96 series drivers but got the same results. Sort of obvious stuff in the kernel config I could think of before sending this email is here: dragonfly ~ # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep AGP CONFIG_AGP=m # CONFIG_AGP_ALI is not set # CONFIG_AGP_ATI is not set # CONFIG_AGP_AMD is not set # CONFIG_AGP_AMD64 is not set CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=m # CONFIG_AGP_NVIDIA is not set # CONFIG_AGP_SIS is not set # CONFIG_AGP_SWORKS is not set # CONFIG_AGP_VIA is not set # CONFIG_AGP_EFFICEON is not set dragonfly ~ # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep NVIDIA # CONFIG_AGP_NVIDIA is not set # CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA is not set dragonfly ~ # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep DRM CONFIG_DRM=m # CONFIG_DRM_TDFX is not set # CONFIG_DRM_R128 is not set # CONFIG_DRM_RADEON is not set # CONFIG_DRM_I810 is not set # CONFIG_DRM_I830 is not set # CONFIG_DRM_I915 is not set # CONFIG_DRM_MGA is not set # CONFIG_DRM_SIS is not set # CONFIG_DRM_VIA is not set # CONFIG_DRM_SAVAGE is not set dragonfly ~ # I assumed the Intel AGP might be usefull since it's an Intel motherboard but it didn't help so I blacklisted it and it's not loaded. Anyone able to spot what must be an obvious mistake? Current xorg.conf file it attached. It was done by hand so it could easily have big problems. I tried running with no xorg.conf file but it didn't work either. hald is running. Thanks, Mark dragonfly ~ # cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf Section Files ModulePath /usr/lib/xorg/modules FontPath /usr/share/fonts/misc/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/TTF/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/OTF FontPath /usr/share/fonts/Type1/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/ EndSection Section Module Load extmod Load glx # Load dri EndSection Section DRI Mode 0666 EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol auto Option Device /dev/input/mice Option
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Monday 01 March 2010 22:28:42 Mick wrote: My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen. How does e17 compare in terms of resources to other WMs/DEs like *box, LXDE, xface, these days? I had a look at it when it was all the rage back when, but it looked too Gnomey to me at the time and I couldn't find a reason for preferring it over say fluxbox. As of right now, I really couldn't say. About 6 months ago the e17 devs started ramping up for a release that was supposed to happen round about last xmas. Then Samsung and a French manufacturer of set-top boxes got in on the action, as a result the code changes faster than Paris Hilton changes her knickers. It stopped reliably building from one hour to the next ... :-) So I switched to KDE to get some stability and haven't tried again since. e17 has to be evaluated on it's own merits, like all other software. it's not like anything ... except perhaps e17 itself. It's claims to fame are twofold: 1. Themeability. If you have every written a KDE or Gnome theme engine you will know what a serious ball-ache it is. Code mixed in with specs mixed in with image files e17 does it a different way with .edj files. You write an .edc spec file in a declarative style (as in you say *what* you want, not *how* it is done - that's the engine's job to figure that out) and supply your images to be used on the widgets. Then run it through a mini-compiler to produce an .edj, tell the wm to use it and voila! theme applied. It's not just a simple replace all those .pngs with these .pngs to get a different set of colours - you change the entire look and feel of the desktop and the engine just knows what to do with it. 2. Configurability. Everything that can possibly be changeable is so, including stuff that really shouldn't be :-) It makes KDE look minimalist. Fortunately, a lot of the advanced stuff can be hidden in the config dialog which improves things. Resources - it's hard to write a wm these days that isn't a resource hog in some ways. If you want transparency and composition, be prepared to sell some cpu to get it. Having said that, e17 runs blindingly fast on ARM mobile devices when configured appropriately. It's nowhere near as minimalist as *box, those wm's are in a class where if they suit your needs, then nothing else will come close, especially not e17 which is designed to showcase graphic effects to a large degree. *box is the polar opposite of that -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia GeForce 6200 questions
On Tuesday 02 March 2010 00:04:08 Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, I've been trying to get an nvidia controller working today and not having much luck. It's complaining about failing to load kernel module. As a starting point I'm following this guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml My nvidia device is (I think) a GeForce 6 family card: dragonfly ~ # lspci | grep VGA 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1) dragonfly ~ # and from this nVidia page seems to be supported by the 173.xx series drivers: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.25.html Because modinfo nvidia suggested it depended on them I've added agpgart and i2c-core to modules.autoload and after booting this is what's loaded: dragonfly ~ # lsmod Module Size Used by ipv6 176929 18 sg 19077 0 usb_storage29021 0 usbhid 18281 0 snd_intel8x0 19155 0 snd_ac97_codec 76628 1 snd_intel8x0 ac97_bus 662 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm42338 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec ehci_hcd 27089 0 uhci_hcd 15779 0 snd_timer 11966 1 snd_pcm usbcore87247 4 usb_storage,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd agpgart19136 0 snd31592 4 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer 8139cp 12993 0 soundcore 3607 1 snd rtc 6022 0 8139too14560 0 i2c_core 11618 0 snd_page_alloc 4685 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm processor 20861 0 thermal 9266 0 button 3526 0 thermal_sys 8333 2 processor,thermal dragonfly ~ # When I try to load the nvidia driver it just complains: dragonfly ~ # modprobe nvidia FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko): No such device The nvidia driver in not bundled with the kernel, it is an external third- party module. You need to set /usr/src/linux to point to the kernel(s) you intend to run, and emerge nvidia-drivers for each one. Then modprobe -r nvidia ; modprobe nvidia and restart X module-rebuild is a great tool for this. It knows what out-of-tree modules you use and the ebuilds that install them, and remembers the list (because the time will come when you forget and pull your hair out before you remember) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia GeForce 6200 questions
Mark Knecht wrote: and from this nVidia page seems to be supported by the 173.xx series drivers: Yes, but I don't think they are compatible with the 2.6.33 kernel. There was a patch for the 190.53 driver released yesterday to make it work with 2.6.33. Try that. Be lucky, Neil http://www.neiljw.com
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia GeForce 6200 questions
Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, I've been trying to get an nvidia controller working today and not having much luck. It's complaining about failing to load kernel module. As a starting point I'm following this guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml My nvidia device is (I think) a GeForce 6 family card: dragonfly ~ # lspci | grep VGA 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1) dragonfly ~ # and from this nVidia page seems to be supported by the 173.xx series drivers: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.25.html Because modinfo nvidia suggested it depended on them I've added agpgart and i2c-core to modules.autoload and after booting this is what's loaded: dragonfly ~ # lsmod Module Size Used by ipv6 176929 18 sg 19077 0 usb_storage29021 0 usbhid 18281 0 snd_intel8x0 19155 0 snd_ac97_codec 76628 1 snd_intel8x0 ac97_bus 662 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm42338 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec ehci_hcd 27089 0 uhci_hcd 15779 0 snd_timer 11966 1 snd_pcm usbcore87247 4 usb_storage,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd agpgart19136 0 snd31592 4 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer 8139cp 12993 0 soundcore 3607 1 snd rtc 6022 0 8139too14560 0 i2c_core 11618 0 snd_page_alloc 4685 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm processor 20861 0 thermal 9266 0 button 3526 0 thermal_sys 8333 2 processor,thermal dragonfly ~ # When I try to load the nvidia driver it just complains: dragonfly ~ # modprobe nvidia FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko): No such device dragonfly ~ # dragonfly ~ # modprobe --show-depends nvidia insmod /lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/kernel/drivers/i2c/i2c-core.ko insmod /lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/kernel/drivers/char/agp/agpgart.ko insmod /lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko NVreg_DeviceFileMode=432 NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=27 NVreg_ModifyDeviceFiles=1 dragonfly ~ # dragonfly ~ # modprobe -v nvidia insmod /lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko NVreg_DeviceFileMode=432 NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=27 NVreg_ModifyDeviceFiles=1 FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko): No such device dragonfly ~ # The driver exists: dragonfly ~ # ls -al /lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7859091 Mar 1 13:35 /lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko dragonfly ~ # I'm not clear what it means by 'no such device'. Is that a message that this driver doesn't support this card? I tried going down to the 96 series drivers but got the same results. Sort of obvious stuff in the kernel config I could think of before sending this email is here: dragonfly ~ # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep AGP CONFIG_AGP=m # CONFIG_AGP_ALI is not set # CONFIG_AGP_ATI is not set # CONFIG_AGP_AMD is not set # CONFIG_AGP_AMD64 is not set CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=m # CONFIG_AGP_NVIDIA is not set # CONFIG_AGP_SIS is not set # CONFIG_AGP_SWORKS is not set # CONFIG_AGP_VIA is not set # CONFIG_AGP_EFFICEON is not set dragonfly ~ # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep NVIDIA # CONFIG_AGP_NVIDIA is not set # CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA is not set dragonfly ~ # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep DRM CONFIG_DRM=m # CONFIG_DRM_TDFX is not set # CONFIG_DRM_R128 is not set # CONFIG_DRM_RADEON is not set # CONFIG_DRM_I810 is not set # CONFIG_DRM_I830 is not set # CONFIG_DRM_I915 is not set # CONFIG_DRM_MGA is not set # CONFIG_DRM_SIS is not set # CONFIG_DRM_VIA is not set # CONFIG_DRM_SAVAGE is not set dragonfly ~ # I assumed the Intel AGP might be usefull since it's an Intel motherboard but it didn't help so I blacklisted it and it's not loaded. Anyone able to spot what must be an obvious mistake? Current xorg.conf file it attached. It was done by hand so it could easily have big problems. I tried running with no xorg.conf file but it didn't work either. hald is running. Thanks, Mark dragonfly ~ # cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf Section Files ModulePath /usr/lib/xorg/modules FontPath /usr/share/fonts/misc/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/TTF/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/OTF FontPath /usr/share/fonts/Type1/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/ EndSection Section Module Load extmod Load glx # Load dri EndSection Section DRI Mode 0666 EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier
[gentoo-user] Re: nvidia GeForce 6200 questions
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've been trying to get an nvidia controller working today and not having much luck. It's complaining about failing to load kernel module. SNIP SOLVED: Mar 1 14:36:49 dragonfly kernel: NVRM: This PCI I/O region assigned to your NVIDIA device is invalid: Mar 1 14:36:49 dragonfly kernel: NVRM: BAR1 is 0M @ 0x0 (PCI:0001:00.0) Mar 1 14:36:49 dragonfly kernel: NVRM: The system BIOS may have misconfigured your GPU. Mar 1 14:36:49 dragonfly kernel: nvidia: probe of :01:00.0 failed with error -1 Mar 1 14:36:49 dragonfly kernel: NVRM: The NVIDIA probe routine failed for 1 device(s). Mar 1 14:36:49 dragonfly kernel: NVRM: None of the NVIDIA graphics adapters were initialized! And indeed it was a BIOS setting. Fixed and working now. Sorry for the noise, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory relocation
On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:07:07 -0500, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: Or you can edit /var/lib/layman/make.conf and change the locations there. That didn't work for me; the current layman script still references the old location; which is why I added the soft link. You have to set the location in /etc/layman/layman.cfg. My layman directory is in neither of the locations you mention, but it works fine. -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 01B: Illegal error - You are not allowed to get this error. Next time you will get a penalty for that. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Monday 01 March 2010 21:17:23 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 01 March 2010 22:28:42 Mick wrote: My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen. How does e17 compare in terms of resources to other WMs/DEs like *box, LXDE, xface, these days? I had a look at it when it was all the rage back when, but it looked too Gnomey to me at the time and I couldn't find a reason for preferring it over say fluxbox. As of right now, I really couldn't say. About 6 months ago the e17 devs started ramping up for a release that was supposed to happen round about last xmas. Then Samsung and a French manufacturer of set-top boxes got in on the action, as a result the code changes faster than Paris Hilton changes her knickers. It stopped reliably building from one hour to the next ... :-) So I switched to KDE to get some stability and haven't tried again since. e17 has to be evaluated on it's own merits, like all other software. it's not like anything ... except perhaps e17 itself. It's claims to fame are twofold: 1. Themeability. If you have every written a KDE or Gnome theme engine you will know what a serious ball-ache it is. Code mixed in with specs mixed in with image files e17 does it a different way with .edj files. You write an .edc spec file in a declarative style (as in you say *what* you want, not *how* it is done - that's the engine's job to figure that out) and supply your images to be used on the widgets. Then run it through a mini-compiler to produce an .edj, tell the wm to use it and voila! theme applied. It's not just a simple replace all those .pngs with these .pngs to get a different set of colours - you change the entire look and feel of the desktop and the engine just knows what to do with it. 2. Configurability. Everything that can possibly be changeable is so, including stuff that really shouldn't be :-) It makes KDE look minimalist. Fortunately, a lot of the advanced stuff can be hidden in the config dialog which improves things. Resources - it's hard to write a wm these days that isn't a resource hog in some ways. If you want transparency and composition, be prepared to sell some cpu to get it. Having said that, e17 runs blindingly fast on ARM mobile devices when configured appropriately. It's nowhere near as minimalist as *box, those wm's are in a class where if they suit your needs, then nothing else will come close, especially not e17 which is designed to showcase graphic effects to a large degree. *box is the polar opposite of that Thanks Alan, your insight in this is much appreciated. I've been trying different things and keep coming back to fluxbox. Having spent time some years ago to set it up just-as-I-want-it in terms of the menu with all my apps, as well as the windows behaviour and decoration, I find that I am trying to change other WMs to behave like fluxbox! Ha! I am a creature of (minimalist) habit I guess. I'll probably have another pop at e17 and see what gives. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Tuesday 02 March 2010 01:17:06 Mick wrote: Thanks Alan, your insight in this is much appreciated. I've been trying different things and keep coming back to fluxbox. Having spent time some years ago to set it up just-as-I-want-it in terms of the menu with all my apps, as well as the windows behaviour and decoration, I find that I am trying to change other WMs to behave like fluxbox! Ha! I am a creature of (minimalist) habit I guess. I'll probably have another pop at e17 and see what gives. I feel your pain :-) I feel the same way about Gentoo - I've used just about everything else under the sun for the work server, but on my personal machines (and the many tinker- toys in the lab at work) I keep coming back to Gentoo. And I keep trying to rebuild packages on Centos with the support I want, not what the dev thinks I want. USE truly does spoil a sysadmin ;-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] [OT] NoSQL?
This article was a big surprise to me. Am I the last one to hear about this stuff? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10461670-16.html?part=rssamp;subj=newsamp;tag=2547-1_3-0-20
Re: [gentoo-user] Advice/best practices for a new Gentoo installation
Am Freitag 26 Februar 2010 schrieb Paul Hartman: Hi, I'm building a new personal computer. I respect the opinion and experience of the people on this list and am interested in anyone's advice on the best way to set up my new Gentoo installation. Things that you say I wish I set mine up this way the first time... or have learned from experience how to do it right the first time already. :) Some topics I'm thinking about (comments welcome): - be aware of cylinder boundaries when partitioning (thanks to the recent thread) Indeed. ;-) I just applied that knowledge again yesterday on a friend’s new laptop. - better partitioning scheme than my current root, boot, home (need portage on its own, maybe /var as well?) I use the root/boot/home scheme as well (500GB laptop drive). Though I used ReiserFS in an image file on / file system for a while, but dropped it later. Using an image file saves from fiddling with partitions and FS resizing in the process. - some kind of small linux emergency/recovery partition? equivalent to a liveCD maybe. I always wanted to make my own Gentoo-based livecd that fits onto my old 128M stick. :o) - SSD vs 1rpm vs big-and-cheap hard drive for rootfs/system files. I lean toward the latter since RAM caches it anyway. I’m still caucios about SSDs because of their limited lifetime. I would only use it for /home or my media archive. But for the latter, it would become over-expensive fast, for they are more pricey by the GB than all other things. If it shall be a quiet system, I’d look into 2,5 drives, they also use less power than 3,5, on the other hand they are of course more expensive. :) - omit/reduce number of reserved-for-root blocks on partitions where it's not necessary. I’ve set it to 0 on my home partition. I also reduced the inode count on my media, home and X-Plane partition. None of those have more than 6 in use at the moment, whereas mkfs had given them about 3 to 4 million by default. I’m not sure though if that gives me any more available space. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' This sentence no verb. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
On Monday 01 March 2010 10:11:18 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:08:22 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: We just log the fact of running sudo. The admins are trusted to not cock things up, and if they do, to not try and hide it. The philosophy is simple - if we feel we can't trust you, we would not have hired you. That is sensible, if not good for your BOFH rating :) Editing root's history after the fact to hide your tracks is considered a heinous crime of unimaginable proportions. Anyone caught doing it is sentenced to buy cake for the entire technical team. That's about 100 people. And when I saw cake I don't mean a teeny weeny jam tart each, I mean cake - chocolate filled croissants, black forest and my personal favourite: 4 inch high carrot cake. I take that back :) Coming back to the OP, on a brand new installation, while on the console and logged in as root user, I also see ESC all over the man pages. I do not have this problem on older boxen, nor do I remember noticing it in the past. What is causing it and what is the fix? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
On Tuesday 02 March 2010 08:33:07 Mick wrote: On Monday 01 March 2010 10:11:18 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:08:22 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: We just log the fact of running sudo. The admins are trusted to not cock things up, and if they do, to not try and hide it. The philosophy is simple - if we feel we can't trust you, we would not have hired you. That is sensible, if not good for your BOFH rating :) Editing root's history after the fact to hide your tracks is considered a heinous crime of unimaginable proportions. Anyone caught doing it is sentenced to buy cake for the entire technical team. That's about 100 people. And when I saw cake I don't mean a teeny weeny jam tart each, I mean cake - chocolate filled croissants, black forest and my personal favourite: 4 inch high carrot cake. I take that back :) Coming back to the OP, on a brand new installation, while on the console and logged in as root user, I also see ESC all over the man pages. I do not have this problem on older boxen, nor do I remember noticing it in the past. What is causing it and what is the fix? Compare the environment between root and a non-root user when running a login shell. The answer should be self-evident when you have the correct data in front of you to compare -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
