Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 15:33:15 schrieb 微蔡: 在 2012年11月10日 星期六 20:56:45，pk 写道： On 2012-11-10 03:03, walt wrote: :) systemd is coming whether you or I like it or not so I'm trying to stay a bit ahead of the tsunami, that's all. Yes, systemd may be coming and may even become mandatory for the Linux kernel (given it's marriage with udev). when that comes, I'd rather go *BSD or even Windows for that matter. The current plan is going mdev, following Walter Dnes fine example, when I can find the time (perhaps during xmas). byebye haters . Comunitiy doesn't need people like you. wrong, it does need people like him. Following one 'messiah' like sheep (in this case Poettering and his pulseaudio/systemd mess) is not the RIGHT THING to do. There are always better solutions to a specific problem. a new kernel from Linus every morning and file kernel bug reports when appropriate. If I do find a kernel bug I may need to recompile/reboot many times as quickly as my machine can do it, so saving 15-20 seconds per reboot cycle just feels less painful :) if you can sacr 15-20 seconds there is something else broken. 20 seconds is the overall my box needs - with most time spent in bios. Without systemd. You maybe paid by some Linux hate company to express like this. I conclude you have no idea what you are talking about. Attacking people who have other NEEDS than you and so use a different SOLUTION is just wrong. But what to expect from someone with a 'fedora' email adress. Fedora aka Redhat aka acting obnoxoius and pushing sub par solutions or try to be as incompatible as possible to everybody else (see rpm mess, gcc 2.96 and other examples) -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
Am Samstag, 10. November 2012, 23:46:52 schrieb Dale: Pandu Poluan wrote: Oh, we like digressions :-) I recall that sometimes last year, Tom's Hardware tested running a system without heat sink... but completely immersed in... cooking oil! They made a large acrylic container, poured in gallons of high-quality cooking oil, then proceeded to overclock the CPU and GPU to unholy frequencies... And, IIRC, Seymour Cray likes to use some inert fluoride-based coolant to dunk the components of his supercomputer machines. And he would even go to lengths to design a coolant fountain that's not only functional, but also decorative. The only caveat, is to get a cooling system, that is made of robust, quality components. Also, monitoring the temperature is important, and it'd be nice to have a micro pressure transmitter, downstream of the pumping mechanism to ensure no leaks by detecting tiny leaks BEFORE they happen (delta-P). That's the only qualms I have Re: water-coolant. I always an afraid of leaks. So, I always wimped out and use the thermal wick kind of almost, but not quite, somewhat similar to liquid coolant ;-) Rgds, -- I seen on a show once that they use mineral oil when they put those robots in deep water. You know, the ones that are remote controlled and go VERY VERY deep. Anyway, they put mineral oil in it because it is not conductive, transmits heat pretty well and it doesn't let the water pressure crush the little robot. It can't crush it since it is full of a liquid already. If that is true, why not use mineral oil instead of water? I understand that could mean a change in hoses and such but still, if they can make hoses that can stand up to gas and other really nasty stuff then why not mineral oil too? At least with that, if you get a leak it won't burn out your mobo or whatever else it gets on. It would be messy tho. o_O Dale :-) :-) lets see.. toxic, expensive, has to be recycled... vs water... also, submerging mobos in cooking oil is nothing new nor special. It smells horrible after a while and any change is fucking time consuming (and dirty). -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 12:09:46，Volker Armin Hemmann 写道： Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 15:33:15 schrieb 微蔡: 在 2012年11月10日 星期六 20:56:45，pk 写道： On 2012-11-10 03:03, walt wrote: :) systemd is coming whether you or I like it or not so I'm trying to stay a bit ahead of the tsunami, that's all. Yes, systemd may be coming and may even become mandatory for the Linux kernel (given it's marriage with udev). when that comes, I'd rather go *BSD or even Windows for that matter. The current plan is going mdev, following Walter Dnes fine example, when I can find the time (perhaps during xmas). byebye haters . Comunitiy doesn't need people like you. wrong, it does need people like him. Following one 'messiah' like sheep (in this case Poettering and his pulseaudio/systemd mess) is not the RIGHT THING to do. There are always better solutions to a specific problem. a new kernel from Linus every morning and file kernel bug reports when appropriate. If I do find a kernel bug I may need to recompile/reboot many times as quickly as my machine can do it, so saving 15-20 seconds per reboot cycle just feels less painful :) if you can sacr 15-20 seconds there is something else broken. 20 seconds is the overall my box needs - with most time spent in bios. Without systemd. You maybe paid by some Linux hate company to express like this. I conclude you have no idea what you are talking about. Attacking people who have other NEEDS than you and so use a different SOLUTION is just wrong. sorry about that. different sulotion is good, but *hate* is bad. because when you do some techical decisions , *hate* will lead to wrong decisions. But what to expect from someone with a 'fedora' email adress. Fedora aka Redhat aka acting obnoxoius and pushing sub par solutions or try to be as incompatible as possible to everybody else used to use fedora 4 years ago. but don't want to re-subscrib to gentoo with new maill address. :) BTW. Don't overthink. it's not @redhat.com , just fedora. (see rpm mess, gcc 2.96 and other examples) -- __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || || signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 15:33:15 schrieb 微蔡: 在 2012年11月10日 星期六 20:56:45，pk 写道： byebye haters . Comunitiy doesn't need people like you. You maybe paid by some Linux hate company to express like this. This individual who writes to an English language list signing only with Chinese characters has no idea about what community means. In many years of reading this list, I can't recall any intervention that even approaches this sewerish vomit. I suppose that any list is bound to attract some troll sooner or later, but isn't it a nice coincidence that this perl is a product of the same totalitarian mindset that is determined to poison Linux? But what to expect from someone with a 'fedora' email adress. Fedora aka Redhat aka acting obnoxoius and pushing sub par solutions or try to be as incompatible as possible to everybody else Right. And what to expect from someone who boasts he can learn anything I want very very fast (http://www.linkedin.com/in/microcai) and become (sic) a master of UNIX very soon, an expert of all kinds with master knowledge after self-learning (sic) Linux 3 years ago? Yet, he couldn't spend one hour learning good manners and another one learning English. Cheers Jorge Almeida
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On 2012-11-11 08:33, 微蔡 wrote: byebye haters . Comunitiy doesn't need people like you. Ah, instead of a rational explanation of what kind of problem systemd solves for me you conclude: I'm a hater?... Well, I do hate solutions looking for problems to solve, especially where there are none to solve, and especially being forced into using them. So, I conclude: The community doesn't need people like YOU! Then find something to boost the BIOS. Yeah , UEFI goes out, and you say: BIOS is fine with me , I don't need UEFI. I'm running UEFI here (which runs on top of BIOS) on two motherboards. If you think UEFI replaces BIOS, research it[1][2]. Yes, it's intended to replace BIOS sometime (most likely very far) in the future. [1]:http://www.extremetech.com/computing/96985-demystifying-uefi-the-long-overdue-bios-replacement [2]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFI For the record, I have bought equipment that can be made compatible with coreboot, which I intend to install when I can find the time. coreboot is a true BIOS replacement (basically it focuses on just initialising the hardware and let payloads setup whatever services are needed). Solving the BIOS problem permanently and with technical elegance. So yes, I will replace UEFI/BIOS sometime in the future... You maybe paid by some Linux hate company to express like this. Hm... maybe you're paid by some Linux hate company to destroy it from within (also known as astroturfer)? I see you have a fedora mail address so why are you here on a Gentoo-list? Trying to push an agenda/preach? PS. I used to think Redhat was a really good open source citizen (I even used their distro in the late 90'ies), and they still are in some respects, but forcing, in my eyes, inferior technology onto the Linux world is not ok, IMO. Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:03:33 +0800, 微蔡 wrote: sorry about that. different sulotion is good, but *hate* is bad. because when you do some techical decisions , *hate* will lead to wrong decisions. Which is why we were doing fine here until *you* introduced hate into the thread. -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 00D: Window closed - Do not look outside signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:29:11 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: John Walters wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:58:42 +0100 Pau Peris sibok1...@gmail.com wrote: i've just upgraded kde through a custom @set, the same i used over the last years, but this time although kde-base/ksplash is installed kde splash screen does not appear anymore while loading kde. Do someone know which single package could i missed? Thx :) Can't really say without looking at your system, but you can try: 1) revdep-rebuild If that doesn't find any problem, then: 2) emerge -e world I know it will take a long while, but I have found it necessary to do this on a regular basis, especially with upgraded packages. JW I have noticed that when I do a KDE upgrade and something acts a little funny, a emerge -e world generally fixes it. I do wish there was a way to know what needed to be emerged again without doing everything. OP, you could try doing a emerge -e ksplash with the -t option and sort of see what it depends on that way. Then try to emerge those packages first to see if it helps. For what it is worth, I did the upgrade and the only problem I ran into was my saved session got messed up. I had to set things up and save it again, I haven't logged out and back in yet so I hope that fixes that problem. Any Linux geeks know how to fix this sort of thing without a emerge -e world? short answer: usually, you can't longer answer: you can't, because software usually can't detect the answer. revdep-rebuild does a fine job of finding what it was designed to do - reverse dependencies that are now broken. So if app A uses lib B directly which uses lib C directly, and lib C got updated, revdep-rebuild will discover if the new C is incompatible with the current B. Re-emerge B and it usually just manages to do the right thing. Weird issues often crop up when you have plug-in modules that are loaded dynamically at runtime. Revdep-rebuild can't find these as they don't show up in ldd, the app itself figures out what modules it wants to load then tries, so if something is broken there, well you find that out when you run the app. emerge -e world is the only way I know to to fix these things with any certainty. Binary distro by the way usually don't have this problem happen to them, because with those lib C doesn't suddenly get ripped out underneath B and replaced ;-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot with kernel 3.5.7: init not being started
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:45:48 -0600, Dale wrote: I have never seen or heard of a kernel blowing up a computer. If you can't do it, no one can :P -- Neil Bothwick Many husbands go broke on the money their wives save on sales. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 20:03:33 schrieb 微蔡: 在 2012年11月11日 星期日 12:09:46，Volker Armin Hemmann 写道： Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 15:33:15 schrieb 微蔡: 在 2012年11月10日 星期六 20:56:45，pk 写道： On 2012-11-10 03:03, walt wrote: :) systemd is coming whether you or I like it or not so I'm trying :to stay a bit ahead of the tsunami, that's all. Yes, systemd may be coming and may even become mandatory for the Linux kernel (given it's marriage with udev). when that comes, I'd rather go *BSD or even Windows for that matter. The current plan is going mdev, following Walter Dnes fine example, when I can find the time (perhaps during xmas). byebye haters . Comunitiy doesn't need people like you. wrong, it does need people like him. Following one 'messiah' like sheep (in this case Poettering and his pulseaudio/systemd mess) is not the RIGHT THING to do. There are always better solutions to a specific problem. a new kernel from Linus every morning and file kernel bug reports when appropriate. If I do find a kernel bug I may need to recompile/reboot many times as quickly as my machine can do it, so saving 15-20 seconds per reboot cycle just feels less painful :) if you can sacr 15-20 seconds there is something else broken. 20 seconds is the overall my box needs - with most time spent in bios. Without systemd. You maybe paid by some Linux hate company to express like this. I conclude you have no idea what you are talking about. Attacking people who have other NEEDS than you and so use a different SOLUTION is just wrong. sorry about that. different sulotion is good, but *hate* is bad. because when you do some techical decisions , *hate* will lead to wrong decisions. hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don't want is forced upon you. If it is also based on lies, hate is a valid reaction. A lot of people don't need nor want pulseaudio or systemd. Now it is forced on everybody. When systemd devs took over udev, one was told that of course, one could use udev without udev in the future. Now they are talking about making udev systemd only. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 13:28:35，pk 写道： On 2012-11-11 08:33, 微蔡 wrote: byebye haters . Comunitiy doesn't need people like you. Ah, instead of a rational explanation of what kind of problem systemd solves for me you conclude: I'm a hater?... Well, I do hate solutions looking for problems to solve, especially where there are none to solve, and especially being forced into using them. So, I conclude: The community doesn't need people like YOU! Then find something to boost the BIOS. Yeah , UEFI goes out, and you say: BIOS is fine with me , I don't need UEFI. I'm running UEFI here (which runs on top of BIOS) on two motherboards. If you think UEFI replaces BIOS, research it[1][2]. Yes, it's intended to replace BIOS sometime (most likely very far) in the future. [1]:http://www.extremetech.com/computing/96985-demystifying-uefi-the-long-ov erdue-bios-replacement [2]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFI For the record, I have bought equipment that can be made compatible with coreboot, which I intend to install when I can find the time. coreboot is a true BIOS replacement (basically it focuses on just initialising the hardware and let payloads setup whatever services are needed). Solving the BIOS problem permanently and with technical elegance. So yes, I will replace UEFI/BIOS sometime in the future... You maybe paid by some Linux hate company to express like this. Hm... maybe you're paid by some Linux hate company to destroy it from within (also known as astroturfer)? I see you have a fedora mail address so why are you here on a Gentoo-list? Trying to push an agenda/preach? PS. I used to think Redhat was a really good open source citizen (I even used their distro in the late 90'ies), and they still are in some respects, but forcing, in my eyes, inferior technology onto the Linux world is not ok, IMO. ok , then why hate systemd ? you seems to hate systemd with no reason. BTW: I don't work for Red Hat. We are behinde the Wall . we work day and night for apple. even that, I don't have the so called best job in china. Best regards Peter K -- __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || ||
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 01:49:03PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don't want is forced upon you. If it is also based on lies, hate is a valid reaction. A lot of people don't need nor want pulseaudio or systemd. Now it is forced on everybody. When systemd devs took over udev, one was told that of course, one could use udev without [systemd] in the future. Now they are talking about making udev systemd only. -- #163933 -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 07:22:41，Bruce Hill 写道： On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 01:49:03PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don't want is forced upon you. If it is also based on lies, hate is a valid reaction. A lot of people don't need nor want pulseaudio or systemd. Now it is forced on everybody. When systemd devs took over udev, one was told that of course, one could use udev without [systemd] in the future. Now they are talking about making udev systemd only. obsolutly nonsense. what they remove , is the ability to build udev seperately. udev can still be used without systemd. -- __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || ||
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On 2012-11-11 13:24, Jorge Almeida wrote: or later, but isn't it a nice coincidence that this perl is a product of the same totalitarian mindset that is determined to poison Linux? Can't we just calm down and try to be reasonably nice? I really didn't intend to start a flame war here... I just reacted without thinking and for that I apologise. Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On 2012-11-11 13:52, 微蔡 wrote: ok , then why hate systemd ? you seems to hate systemd with no reason. This is my last reply to this thread. I dislike systemd, for the reasons I've already stated. Please re-read my responses if you want to know why I dislike systemd. What I do _hate_ is being forced into using something I don't want so I will look for solutions elsewhere, if need be. Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 1:38 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2012-11-11 13:24, Jorge Almeida wrote: or later, but isn't it a nice coincidence that this perl is a product of the same totalitarian mindset that is determined to poison Linux? Can't we just calm down and try to be reasonably nice? I really didn't intend to start a flame war here... I just reacted without thinking and for that I apologise. You don't have anything to apologise for, you didn't offend anyone. I shall not apologise for reacting in strong terms to the intervention of someone who thinks he is entitled to tell people who don't share his fancy to go away. Best regards Jorge Almeida
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 21:32:41 schrieb 微蔡: 在 2012年11月11日 星期日 07:22:41，Bruce Hill 写道： On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 01:49:03PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don't want is forced upon you. If it is also based on lies, hate is a valid reaction. A lot of people don't need nor want pulseaudio or systemd. Now it is forced on everybody. When systemd devs took over udev, one was told that of course, one could use udev without [systemd] in the future. Now they are talking about making udev systemd only. obsolutly nonsense. what they remove , is the ability to build udev seperately. udev can still be used without systemd. hey, you already built it and have it laying around. And all that other stuff that we are forcing upon you wants it anyway - so why don't you use it? In 12 month you have to anyway... -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 13:59:50，Jorge Almeida 写道： On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 1:38 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2012-11-11 13:24, Jorge Almeida wrote: or later, but isn't it a nice coincidence that this perl is a product of the same totalitarian mindset that is determined to poison Linux? Can't we just calm down and try to be reasonably nice? I really didn't intend to start a flame war here... I just reacted without thinking and for that I apologise. You don't have anything to apologise for, you didn't offend anyone. I shall not apologise for reacting in strong terms to the intervention of someone who thinks he is entitled to tell people who don't share his fancy to go away. You over reacted. Best regards Jorge Almeida -- __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || ||
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Nov 11, 2012 9:22 PM, 微蔡 micro...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 13:59:50，Jorge Almeida 写道：
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 1:38 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote:
On 2012-11-11 13:24, Jorge Almeida wrote:
or later, but isn't it a nice coincidence that this perl is a
product of
the same totalitarian mindset that is determined to poison Linux?
Can't we just calm down and try to be reasonably nice? I really didn't
intend to start a flame war here... I just reacted without thinking
and
for that I apologise.
You don't have anything to apologise for, you didn't offend anyone. I
shall
not apologise for reacting in strong terms to the intervention of
someone
who thinks he is entitled to tell people who don't share his fancy to go
away.
You over reacted.
No, it was you ('you' here referring to microcai/微蔡) who first trolled.
Everyone tends to react very strongly to trolls. And shills.
Read again your posting. You used words like 'byebye hater' and even went
out your way of accusing someone of being paid to hate something...
... yet you didn't post any tech points at all!
I was often at odds with Canek, and the discussion sometimes got heated,
but we keep countering with tech stuffs, codes, and many tech (edge) cases.
You, instead, did an ad hominem without debating technical merits. So,
don't blame people doing ad hominem attacks to you in reciprocal.
Rgds,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Samstag, 10. November 2012, 23:46:52 schrieb Dale: Pandu Poluan wrote: Oh, we like digressions :-) I recall that sometimes last year, Tom's Hardware tested running a system without heat sink... but completely immersed in... cooking oil! They made a large acrylic container, poured in gallons of high-quality cooking oil, then proceeded to overclock the CPU and GPU to unholy frequencies... And, IIRC, Seymour Cray likes to use some inert fluoride-based coolant to dunk the components of his supercomputer machines. And he would even go to lengths to design a coolant fountain that's not only functional, but also decorative. The only caveat, is to get a cooling system, that is made of robust, quality components. Also, monitoring the temperature is important, and it'd be nice to have a micro pressure transmitter, downstream of the pumping mechanism to ensure no leaks by detecting tiny leaks BEFORE they happen (delta-P). That's the only qualms I have Re: water-coolant. I always an afraid of leaks. So, I always wimped out and use the thermal wick kind of almost, but not quite, somewhat similar to liquid coolant ;-) Rgds, -- I seen on a show once that they use mineral oil when they put those robots in deep water. You know, the ones that are remote controlled and go VERY VERY deep. Anyway, they put mineral oil in it because it is not conductive, transmits heat pretty well and it doesn't let the water pressure crush the little robot. It can't crush it since it is full of a liquid already. If that is true, why not use mineral oil instead of water? I understand that could mean a change in hoses and such but still, if they can make hoses that can stand up to gas and other really nasty stuff then why not mineral oil too? At least with that, if you get a leak it won't burn out your mobo or whatever else it gets on. It would be messy tho. o_O Dale :-) :-) lets see.. toxic, expensive, has to be recycled... vs water... also, submerging mobos in cooking oil is nothing new nor special. It smells horrible after a while and any change is fucking time consuming (and dirty). I didn't say to use cooking oil, I said to use mineral oil. Also, how is mineral oil toxic? Baby oil is mineral oil. I have psoriasis and I put on baby oil at least once a day, sometimes several times a day. If it is so toxic, why would people be putting it on babies? Heck, if it is so toxic, why am I still alive? How can cooking oil be toxic either? I cook with cooking oil and then eat the food I cook with it. It may be something but hardly toxic. Let's see, baby oil, not toxic, doesn't short out and blow up stuff when it leaks. Water, one leak and you could have to buy a new rig. Cost of mineral oil versus a new rig. I don't think that is even close. lol Also, it doesn't have to be a new idea to work. Just thought it worth a mention. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot with kernel 3.5.7: init not being started
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:45:48 -0600, Dale wrote: I have never seen or heard of a kernel blowing up a computer. If you can't do it, no one can :P ROFL Very true. The only thing I thought of after hitting send was if a person has a laptop and they build a kernel that forces the fans to stay off regardless of temps. I'm not sure if it can be done but if it could, I'd be the one to do it. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:29:11 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I have noticed that when I do a KDE upgrade and something acts a little funny, a emerge -e world generally fixes it. I do wish there was a way to know what needed to be emerged again without doing everything. OP, you could try doing a emerge -e ksplash with the -t option and sort of see what it depends on that way. Then try to emerge those packages first to see if it helps. For what it is worth, I did the upgrade and the only problem I ran into was my saved session got messed up. I had to set things up and save it again, I haven't logged out and back in yet so I hope that fixes that problem. Any Linux geeks know how to fix this sort of thing without a emerge -e world? short answer: usually, you can't longer answer: you can't, because software usually can't detect the answer. revdep-rebuild does a fine job of finding what it was designed to do - reverse dependencies that are now broken. So if app A uses lib B directly which uses lib C directly, and lib C got updated, revdep-rebuild will discover if the new C is incompatible with the current B. Re-emerge B and it usually just manages to do the right thing. Weird issues often crop up when you have plug-in modules that are loaded dynamically at runtime. Revdep-rebuild can't find these as they don't show up in ldd, the app itself figures out what modules it wants to load then tries, so if something is broken there, well you find that out when you run the app. emerge -e world is the only way I know to to fix these things with any certainty. Binary distro by the way usually don't have this problem happen to them, because with those lib C doesn't suddenly get ripped out underneath B and replaced ;-) That figures. So, emerge -e world it is from time to time then. Binaries may not have this problem but they sure do have their share of other problems. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 09:35:35 schrieb Dale: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Samstag, 10. November 2012, 23:46:52 schrieb Dale: Pandu Poluan wrote: Oh, we like digressions :-) I recall that sometimes last year, Tom's Hardware tested running a system without heat sink... but completely immersed in... cooking oil! They made a large acrylic container, poured in gallons of high-quality cooking oil, then proceeded to overclock the CPU and GPU to unholy frequencies... And, IIRC, Seymour Cray likes to use some inert fluoride-based coolant to dunk the components of his supercomputer machines. And he would even go to lengths to design a coolant fountain that's not only functional, but also decorative. The only caveat, is to get a cooling system, that is made of robust, quality components. Also, monitoring the temperature is important, and it'd be nice to have a micro pressure transmitter, downstream of the pumping mechanism to ensure no leaks by detecting tiny leaks BEFORE they happen (delta-P). That's the only qualms I have Re: water-coolant. I always an afraid of leaks. So, I always wimped out and use the thermal wick kind of almost, but not quite, somewhat similar to liquid coolant ;-) Rgds, -- I seen on a show once that they use mineral oil when they put those robots in deep water. You know, the ones that are remote controlled and go VERY VERY deep. Anyway, they put mineral oil in it because it is not conductive, transmits heat pretty well and it doesn't let the water pressure crush the little robot. It can't crush it since it is full of a liquid already. If that is true, why not use mineral oil instead of water? I understand that could mean a change in hoses and such but still, if they can make hoses that can stand up to gas and other really nasty stuff then why not mineral oil too? At least with that, if you get a leak it won't burn out your mobo or whatever else it gets on. It would be messy tho. o_O Dale :-) :-) lets see.. toxic, expensive, has to be recycled... vs water... also, submerging mobos in cooking oil is nothing new nor special. It smells horrible after a while and any change is fucking time consuming (and dirty). I didn't say to use cooking oil, I said to use mineral oil. Also, how is mineral oil toxic? Baby oil is mineral oil. I have psoriasis and I put on baby oil at least once a day, sometimes several times a day. If it is so toxic, why would people be putting it on babies? Heck, if it is so toxic, why am I still alive? How can cooking oil be toxic either? I cook with cooking oil and then eat the food I cook with it. It may be something but hardly toxic. Let's see, baby oil, not toxic, doesn't short out and blow up stuff when it leaks. Water, one leak and you could have to buy a new rig. Cost of mineral oil versus a new rig. I don't think that is even close. lol Also, it doesn't have to be a new idea to work. Just thought it worth a mention. Dale and since baby oil is so great for the job we use it as lubcritant and for cooling in engines :-) :-) -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
Am Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:35:35 -0600 schrieb Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Samstag, 10. November 2012, 23:46:52 schrieb Dale: Pandu Poluan wrote: Oh, we like digressions :-) I recall that sometimes last year, Tom's Hardware tested running a system without heat sink... but completely immersed in... cooking oil! They made a large acrylic container, poured in gallons of high-quality cooking oil, then proceeded to overclock the CPU and GPU to unholy frequencies... And, IIRC, Seymour Cray likes to use some inert fluoride-based coolant to dunk the components of his supercomputer machines. And he would even go to lengths to design a coolant fountain that's not only functional, but also decorative. The only caveat, is to get a cooling system, that is made of robust, quality components. Also, monitoring the temperature is important, and it'd be nice to have a micro pressure transmitter, downstream of the pumping mechanism to ensure no leaks by detecting tiny leaks BEFORE they happen (delta-P). That's the only qualms I have Re: water-coolant. I always an afraid of leaks. So, I always wimped out and use the thermal wick kind of almost, but not quite, somewhat similar to liquid coolant ;-) Rgds, -- I seen on a show once that they use mineral oil when they put those robots in deep water. You know, the ones that are remote controlled and go VERY VERY deep. Anyway, they put mineral oil in it because it is not conductive, transmits heat pretty well and it doesn't let the water pressure crush the little robot. It can't crush it since it is full of a liquid already. If that is true, why not use mineral oil instead of water? I understand that could mean a change in hoses and such but still, if they can make hoses that can stand up to gas and other really nasty stuff then why not mineral oil too? At least with that, if you get a leak it won't burn out your mobo or whatever else it gets on. It would be messy tho. o_O Dale :-) :-) lets see.. toxic, expensive, has to be recycled... vs water... also, submerging mobos in cooking oil is nothing new nor special. It smells horrible after a while and any change is fucking time consuming (and dirty). I didn't say to use cooking oil, I said to use mineral oil. Also, how is mineral oil toxic? [...] I wasn't sure what he meant, either, although looking it up, it seems that the term mineral oil basically means a petroleum based oil. In fact, according to Wikipedia [0], that holds even for the food product mineral oil - which, according to the same article (see Food preparation), is forbidden in the EU (at least in food products). However, in medical products mineral oil is apparently held to strict standards and translates to Weißöl. So it seems your baby oil is fine, but the cooking oil I'm not so sure about. (And here I thought mineral oil was something akin to vegetable oil and that it just had a weird name.) [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_oil -- Marc Joliet -- People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't - Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde
On 11/11/2012 07:31 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:29:11 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: John Walters wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:58:42 +0100 Pau Peris sibok1...@gmail.com wrote: i've just upgraded kde through a custom @set, the same i used over the last years, but this time although kde-base/ksplash is installed kde splash screen does not appear anymore while loading kde. Do someone know which single package could i missed? Thx :) Can't really say without looking at your system, but you can try: short answer: usually, you can't longer answer: you can't, because software usually can't detect the answer. revdep-rebuild does a fine job of finding what it was designed to do - reverse dependencies that are now broken. Quite right. revdep-rebuild has a singular purpose, and does that well enough, but cannot solve all problems 'emerge -e world' will solve all the same problems that revdep-rebuild will, and solve those that it can't. I do it whenever I upgrade something, just to make sure my system is up to date. Chris --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 12-0, 11/11/2012 Tested on: 11/11/2012 11:33:33 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
On 2012-11-11, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: And, IIRC, Seymour Cray likes to use some inert fluoride-based coolant to dunk the components of his supercomputer machines. And he would even go to lengths to design a coolant fountain that's not only functional, but also decorative. Back in the 80's one of the local supercomputer companies (ETA Systems) built (and actually sold) machines which used CMOS CPU boards that ran submerged in liquid nitrogen. IIRC, they ran at around 150MHz and achieved 10 GFLOPS which was pretty amazing at the time... However, the system software was crap. Like Cray, ETA was a CDC spin-off and AFAICT, all CDC system software was awful. In any case, the product was a commercial failure. I heard through the grapevine that maintenance was a headache, and lots of boards failed due to thermal stress when they were taken in/out of the LN2. That's the only qualms I have Re: water-coolant. I always an afraid of leaks. So, I always wimped out and use the thermal wick kind of almost, but not quite, somewhat similar to liquid coolant ;-) One of the nice things about LN2 is that it doesn't make such a mess when there's a leak. :) -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: and since baby oil is so great for the job we use it as lubcritant and for cooling in engines I was trying to overcome the problem that water causes things to short out when it leaks on a mobo, something mineral oil doesn't do according to what I have read. I never said it was the world's greatest heat conductor. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
Marc Joliet wrote: I wasn't sure what he meant, either, although looking it up, it seems that the term mineral oil basically means a petroleum based oil. In fact, according to Wikipedia [0], that holds even for the food product mineral oil - which, according to the same article (see Food preparation), is forbidden in the EU (at least in food products). However, in medical products mineral oil is apparently held to strict standards and translates to Weißöl. So it seems your baby oil is fine, but the cooking oil I'm not so sure about. (And here I thought mineral oil was something akin to vegetable oil and that it just had a weird name.) [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_oil I just looked at the bottle I use. ;-) The only ingredients is mineral oil and fragrance. I wouldn't put that in a computer but you can buy pure mineral oil off the internet. I don't like the smell anyway. lol I have also seen it on the shelf as a laxative too. I've never used it for that either. I just know it helps keep my skin from drying out since I have severe psoriasis among other issues. I wouldn't cook with mineral oil tho. Yikes. lol That even sounds nasty there. I'm not sure I would put cooking oil in a puter either tho it may work. I dunno about that tho. I just remember them using mineral oil in those very expensive undersea robots. Some of those cost millions of dollars and I figure they wouldn't put mineral oil in there if it is going to burn out something. That would overcome the problem of a bad short and possible smoke if water leaks on the mobo in a water cooled system. It does introduce other issues but that is true of most things. Fix one problem, create another. Nothing is perfect. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
[gentoo-user] quickpkg ?
Hi, after crosscompiling into a rootfs at /usr/armv7a-softfp-linux-gnueabi/. I want to quickpkg the results. How can I tell quickpkg to take the contents of that rootfs and not parts of the original rootfs? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 12:15:14 schrieb Dale: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: and since baby oil is so great for the job we use it as lubcritant and for cooling in engines I was trying to overcome the problem that water causes things to short out when it leaks on a mobo, something mineral oil doesn't do according to what I have read. I never said it was the world's greatest heat conductor. ever heard of 'transformer oil'? for some reason or another they move away from mineral oil... -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] quickpkg ?
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 20:02:55 schrieb meino.cra...@gmx.de: Hi, after crosscompiling into a rootfs at /usr/armv7a-softfp-linux-gnueabi/. I want to quickpkg the results. How can I tell quickpkg to take the contents of that rootfs and not parts of the original rootfs? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards, mcc question: why did you not use builpkg(only) in the first place? -- #163933
[gentoo-user] chromium print bug?
Does anyone else's chromium get a little crazy when they try to bring up the print dialog without a printer attached? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] quickpkg ?
On 11/11/2012 08:02 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, after crosscompiling into a rootfs at /usr/armv7a-softfp-linux-gnueabi/. I want to quickpkg the results. How can I tell quickpkg to take the contents of that rootfs and not parts of the original rootfs? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards, mcc qpkg http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/cross-development.xml#doc_chap5
Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde
Hi, thanks to all for your questions, this issue is also happening to me on a fresh install so i'm pretty sure a package/lib is missing. Hope someone can get out a clue. Thanks. :) 2012/11/11 Chris Walters cjw20...@comcast.net On 11/11/2012 07:31 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:29:11 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: John Walters wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:58:42 +0100 Pau Peris sibok1...@gmail.com wrote: i've just upgraded kde through a custom @set, the same i used over the last years, but this time although kde-base/ksplash is installed kde splash screen does not appear anymore while loading kde. Do someone know which single package could i missed? Thx :) Can't really say without looking at your system, but you can try: short answer: usually, you can't longer answer: you can't, because software usually can't detect the answer. revdep-rebuild does a fine job of finding what it was designed to do - reverse dependencies that are now broken. Quite right. revdep-rebuild has a singular purpose, and does that well enough, but cannot solve all problems 'emerge -e world' will solve all the same problems that revdep-rebuild will, and solve those that it can't. I do it whenever I upgrade something, just to make sure my system is up to date. Chris --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 12-0, 11/11/2012 Tested on: 11/11/2012 11:33:33 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 12:15:14 schrieb Dale: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: and since baby oil is so great for the job we use it as lubcritant and for cooling in engines I was trying to overcome the problem that water causes things to short out when it leaks on a mobo, something mineral oil doesn't do according to what I have read. I never said it was the world's greatest heat conductor. ever heard of 'transformer oil'? for some reason or another they move away from mineral oil... I have heard of it. It appears that it is mineral oil also. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer_oil Transformer oil or insulating oil is usually a highly-refined mineral oilthat is stable at high temperatures and has excellent electrical insulating properties. I'm not saying that every single transformer out there has mineral oil in it but according to that, it is still in common use. Also, according to that it also does the job of removing the heat from the transformer too. If you want, watch this video. You can see how they are made from start to finish, including the mineral oil fill up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUO3o5JTGhQ Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 15:06:12 schrieb Dale: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 12:15:14 schrieb Dale: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: and since baby oil is so great for the job we use it as lubcritant and for cooling in engines I was trying to overcome the problem that water causes things to short out when it leaks on a mobo, something mineral oil doesn't do according to what I have read. I never said it was the world's greatest heat conductor. ever heard of 'transformer oil'? for some reason or another they move away from mineral oil... I have heard of it. It appears that it is mineral oil also. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer_oil Transformer oil or insulating oil is usually a highly-refined mineral oilthat is stable at high temperatures and has excellent electrical insulating properties. I'm not saying that every single transformer out there has mineral oil in it but according to that, it is still in common use. Also, according to that it also does the job of removing the heat from the transformer too. If you want, watch this video. You can see how they are made from start to finish, including the mineral oil fill up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUO3o5JTGhQ and the oil is very toxic and as I wrote earlier mineral oil is replaced with other coolants. For some very good reasons. ... -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] chromium print bug?
Just try, and chromium get crazy too. I'm using chromium 24.0.1312.5 with KDE by the way. 2012/11/11 Grant emailgr...@gmail.com Does anyone else's chromium get a little crazy when they try to bring up the print dialog without a printer attached? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 15:06:12 schrieb Dale: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 12:15:14 schrieb Dale: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: and since baby oil is so great for the job we use it as lubcritant and for cooling in engines I was trying to overcome the problem that water causes things to short out when it leaks on a mobo, something mineral oil doesn't do according to what I have read. I never said it was the world's greatest heat conductor. ever heard of 'transformer oil'? for some reason or another they move away from mineral oil... I have heard of it. It appears that it is mineral oil also. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer_oil Transformer oil or insulating oil is usually a highly-refined mineral oilthat is stable at high temperatures and has excellent electrical insulating properties. I'm not saying that every single transformer out there has mineral oil in it but according to that, it is still in common use. Also, according to that it also does the job of removing the heat from the transformer too. If you want, watch this video. You can see how they are made from start to finish, including the mineral oil fill up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUO3o5JTGhQ and the oil is very toxic and as I wrote earlier mineral oil is replaced with other coolants. For some very good reasons. ... Again, I use mineral oil every day. How can it be toxic when I put it on my skin? I might add, my Doctor knows I put it on and he has never mentioned it being toxic. Also, baby oil is mineral oil plus fragrances, which is what I use daily. I can send you a picture of one of my baby oil bottles if you want to see it for yourself. Maybe seeing is believing? If you watch the video I linked to, you will see they put in mineral oil. They didn't say they put in a alternative to mineral oil. They even pull a vacuum on the transformer can to make sure it doesn't leave any moisture or air bubbles in it. I watch that show on TV often and I feel quite certain they would not show that if it were not true and accurate. I'm sorry but I'm going with the info I know to be more accurate. Watching that video says a lot. I'm sure there are other things that can be used but the point is, mineral oil is in common use and has been for a long time. It also doesn't cause shortages when it leaks either which water does. That's why I'm not putting water near my computer, cooling or otherwise. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:48:16 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:29:11 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I have noticed that when I do a KDE upgrade and something acts a little funny, a emerge -e world generally fixes it. I do wish there was a way to know what needed to be emerged again without doing everything. OP, you could try doing a emerge -e ksplash with the -t option and sort of see what it depends on that way. Then try to emerge those packages first to see if it helps. For what it is worth, I did the upgrade and the only problem I ran into was my saved session got messed up. I had to set things up and save it again, I haven't logged out and back in yet so I hope that fixes that problem. Any Linux geeks know how to fix this sort of thing without a emerge -e world? short answer: usually, you can't longer answer: you can't, because software usually can't detect the answer. revdep-rebuild does a fine job of finding what it was designed to do - reverse dependencies that are now broken. So if app A uses lib B directly which uses lib C directly, and lib C got updated, revdep-rebuild will discover if the new C is incompatible with the current B. Re-emerge B and it usually just manages to do the right thing. Weird issues often crop up when you have plug-in modules that are loaded dynamically at runtime. Revdep-rebuild can't find these as they don't show up in ldd, the app itself figures out what modules it wants to load then tries, so if something is broken there, well you find that out when you run the app. emerge -e world is the only way I know to to fix these things with any certainty. Binary distro by the way usually don't have this problem happen to them, because with those lib C doesn't suddenly get ripped out underneath B and replaced ;-) That figures. So, emerge -e world it is from time to time then. Binaries may not have this problem but they sure do have their share of other problems. lol haha, you mean like when you have lib v1 and you want to run an app (from the distro repo!) and it requires lib v2? We all know what that's like, and basically then you are SOL... :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:32:41 +0800 微蔡 micro...@fedoraproject.org wrote: 在 2012年11月11日 星期日 07:22:41，Bruce Hill 写道： On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 01:49:03PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don't want is forced upon you. If it is also based on lies, hate is a valid reaction. A lot of people don't need nor want pulseaudio or systemd. Now it is forced on everybody. When systemd devs took over udev, one was told that of course, one could use udev without [systemd] in the future. Now they are talking about making udev systemd only. obsolutly nonsense. what they remove , is the ability to build udev seperately. udev can still be used without systemd. Say Dude, I have a question (well, two actually) My name is Alan and I've been subscribed on this list for 7 years. What's your name, and how long have you been around? Just trying to establish your place in the pecking order in this here meritocracy. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:48:16 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: That figures. So, emerge -e world it is from time to time then. Binaries may not have this problem but they sure do have their share of other problems. lol haha, you mean like when you have lib v1 and you want to run an app (from the distro repo!) and it requires lib v2? We all know what that's like, and basically then you are SOL... :-) Well, I usually don't get to the bottom of the breakage in a binary OS. I do like I did when Mandrake kept screwing with my head. I install Gentoo because: gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || || That belongs to the guy with the Chinese characters in his name. Sorry, I can't do Chinese. I think it isn't half bad and it is quite true. lol May need some improvements but it's better than I could probably do. o_O Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:33:21 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Just trying to establish your place in the pecking order in this here meritocracy. I think the OP has already done that with his previous posts. Or are you worried that he's after your attitude stripes? :P -- Neil Bothwick Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. Its the transition thats troublesome. - Isaac Asimov signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:33:21 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Just trying to establish your place in the pecking order in this here meritocracy. I think the OP has already done that with his previous posts. Or are you worried that he's after your attitude stripes? :P I'm worried about where I fall on this pecking order thingy. Do we really have one of those? o-O Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:32:41 +0800 微蔡 micro...@fedoraproject.org wrote: 在 2012年11月11日 星期日 07:22:41，Bruce Hill 写道： On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 01:49:03PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don't want is forced upon you. If it is also based on lies, hate is a valid reaction. A lot of people don't need nor want pulseaudio or systemd. Now it is forced on everybody. When systemd devs took over udev, one was told that of course, one could use udev without [systemd] in the future. Now they are talking about making udev systemd only. obsolutly nonsense. what they remove , is the ability to build udev seperately. udev can still be used without systemd. Say Dude, I have a question (well, two actually) My name is Alan and I've been subscribed on this list for 7 years. What's your name, and how long have you been around? Just trying to establish your place in the pecking order in this here meritocracy. Seniority != meritocracy. And I don't know how much meritocratic this list could be, since it is a users lists. The most merit a member of this list can get is to give technically acurate, constructive, and polite help for those users asking for it. IMO, the most active users of this lists usually fail in at least two of those three, sometimes all of them. Unfortunately, I don't think I have done better. I suscribed to this lists more than eight years ago; I stopped asking for help here just a few months later. Which is easily explained by people like you that believe that being around longer somehow gives more merit and that there is a pecking order. I was under the impression that, being all of us Gentoo users, we were equals, although some of us know less about some things and some others know more about some other things. Hence the smart, mature, and polite exchange of ideas. I didn't know this was a pissing contest. This is a technical help list, related to the Gentoo Linux distribution. Please, don't try to pull rank in here; you just look bad, and at least I would laugh at the futility of it. Even more considering I've been around longer: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@gentoo.org/msg35368.html Mmmh. Maybe I've been around even longer than 8 years. But, who the fuck cares? It's completely relevant. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 00:03:38 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:33:21 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Just trying to establish your place in the pecking order in this here meritocracy. I think the OP has already done that with his previous posts. Or are you worried that he's after your attitude stripes? :P looking for a chance to stomp both feet actually :-) haven't done that in a while, I'm feeling the withdrawals... -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] It's completely relevant. I meant irrelevant, of course. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
[gentoo-user] [systemd] Right way to start an nfs server?
I'm sooo close, but I'm doing something wrong with nfs server, and my nfs clients keep getting rejection messages. I got my systemd scripts here: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Systemd#NFS I know the problem is with the nfs server because the nfs clients work normally if I boot the nfs server using openrc instead of systemd. Anyone have nfs servers working properly with systemd? I'm out of ideas :( Thanks
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:24:32 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Which is easily explained by people like you that believe that being around longer somehow gives more merit and that there is a pecking order. slow down there a little bit please I don't really think it's me you're riled up at. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 06:24:32PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Say Dude, I have a question (well, two actually) My name is Alan and I've been subscribed on this list for 7 years. What's your name, and how long have you been around? Just trying to establish your place in the pecking order in this here meritocracy. Seniority != meritocracy. And I don't know how much meritocratic this list could be, since it is a users lists. The most merit a member of this list can get is to give technically acurate, constructive, and polite help for those users asking for it. IMO, the most active users of this lists usually fail in at least two of those three, sometimes all of them. Unfortunately, I don't think I have done better. I suscribed to this lists more than eight years ago; I stopped asking for help here just a few months later. Which is easily explained by people like you that believe that being around longer somehow gives more merit and that there is a pecking order. I was under the impression that, being all of us Gentoo users, we were equals, although some of us know less about some things and some others know more about some other things. Hence the smart, mature, and polite exchange of ideas. I didn't know this was a pissing contest. This is a technical help list, related to the Gentoo Linux distribution. Please, don't try to pull rank in here; you just look bad, and at least I would laugh at the futility of it. Even more considering I've been around longer: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@gentoo.org/msg35368.html Mmmh. Maybe I've been around even longer than 8 years. But, who the censored cares? It's completely relevant. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México Other than your use of profanity, that post was worth making a sticky. Over the last 9 years I've subscribed/unsubscribed to a good number of lists. The first such abuse of others was A.O.L.S. -- yes, you just look bad, real bad. There is one LUG to which I'm subscribed, which is still good for support and edification of others. Since I (re)joined this list on Oct 21, it appears that only 3 messages have been of enough technical merit for saving. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:24:32 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Which is easily explained by people like you that believe that being around longer somehow gives more merit and that there is a pecking order. slow down there a little bit please I don't really think it's me you're riled up at. I said people like you. You were the one asking how long have you been around to someone in order to establish [his] place in the pecking order (your quote, almost word for word). I know you were not even in the list back there (as has been established, I have been here longer). But yout post was of the same kind. Hence, people like you. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
[gentoo-user] Re: chromium print bug?
On 11/11/2012 11:49 AM, Grant wrote: Does anyone else's chromium get a little crazy when they try to bring up the print dialog without a printer attached? Thanks for the workaround :) Whenever I try to print to a file from chromium, the browser freezes and I need to kill the process to continue. I normally don't start cupsd unless I intend to print to my printer, but I tried starting cupsd just now and powering on my printer and that fixed the problem with printing to a file. This seems to be a bug in chromium. Anyone have any experience with filing chromium bugs upstream? Does it ever really get things fixed? (I gave up on firefox bugs long ago.)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: [snip] Other than your use of profanity, that post was worth making a sticky. I try not to use profanity most of the time. In this particular case, I believe it was appropriate since, really, who the FUCK cares if I have been suscribed or not to a list for more years than someone else. I hope it doesn't offend anyone. That was not (nor is) the intention. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 07:14:29PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: [snip] Other than your use of profanity, that post was worth making a sticky. I try not to use profanity most of the time. In this particular case, I believe it was appropriate since, really, who the censored cares if I have been suscribed or not to a list for more years than someone else. I hope it doesn't offend anyone. That was not (nor is) the intention. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México It offends me. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
[gentoo-user] Even further OT: new system hardware
On Sunday 11 November 2012 16:39:56 Grant Edwards wrote: AFAICT, all CDC system software was awful. I hope that isn't entirely true, because of this little tale. Some years ago Empros (another CDC company, in Plymouth, MN) had a large fraction of the world's electricity grid control market sewn up - until their marketing department committed them to a contract they couldn't possibly survive: they wanted the British grid system as a feather in their cap (remember CEGB, anyone?) and assumed that they could profit from the same old feature creep as they had everywhere else. Fatal mistake, which cost them (I think) $36m in mainframe hardware upgrades alone. They should have read our functional spec properly. (When I hit the Go button the effect must be shown on-screen within one second.) The change-control board, constituted at Director level, considered just 12 changes, each costed and rubber-stamped. Everything else had to be fulfilled in the contract. How many computer systems use 10 programming languages? Just don't ask me to list them after all this time. I'm sure Empros's systems must still be keeping lights on to this day in many parts of the world. Just goes to show - choose your marketing people very carefully. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: [snip] It offends me. That's too bad. In public mailing lists profanity happens a lot. I suggest you not to read LKML; Linus is famous for his outbursts: you probably would get offended a lot. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re 20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: Just a word of advice: if you are a normal laptop user, systemd has replaced most of the functionality of consolekit; so if you boot with systemd, several packages need to have enable the systemd USE flag (and the consolekit one disabled). In particular, pambase and polkit need to set either systemd or consolekit, but cannot set both. Ok, it's also helpful to add the systemd overlay and emerge systemd-units and baselayout-systemd. You also have to enable by hand most services. There wasn't one for lightdm (to get graphical login), but slim had one so I just switched to that. Turns out I like that one better, anyway. :-) -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sunday 11 November 2012 12:28:35 pk wrote: ... Well, I do hate solutions looking for problems to solve, Not wishing to hijack the thread, but have you thought about lasers? -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote: Re 20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: Just a word of advice: if you are a normal laptop user, systemd has replaced most of the functionality of consolekit; so if you boot with systemd, several packages need to have enable the systemd USE flag (and the consolekit one disabled). In particular, pambase and polkit need to set either systemd or consolekit, but cannot set both. Ok, it's also helpful to add the systemd overlay and emerge systemd-units and baselayout-systemd. Mmmh. I stopped using that overlay years ago. It's still maintained? You also have to enable by hand most services. There wasn't one for lightdm (to get graphical login), but slim had one so I just switched to that. Turns out I like that one better, anyway. :-) You can also link /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service to your preferred login manager. Recent versions of systemd will take care of everything else. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
On 2012-11-11, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not saying that every single transformer out there has mineral oil in it but according to that, it is still in common use. Also, according to that it also does the job of removing the heat from the transformer too. If you want, watch this video. You can see how they are made from start to finish, including the mineral oil fill up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUO3o5JTGhQ and the oil is very toxic and as I wrote earlier mineral oil is replaced with other coolants. For some very good reasons. ... Again, I use mineral oil every day. How can it be toxic when I put it on my skin? Mineral Oil is a vague term and is used to refer to a wide range of substances. For many years, the stuff they used in transformers was high in PCBs and was based on a type mineral oil different than what you're using. I might add, my Doctor knows I put it on and he has never mentioned it being toxic. The stuff you're using isn't toxic. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 19:06:37 -0600 Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: Other than your use of profanity, that post was worth making a sticky. Over the last 9 years I've subscribed/unsubscribed to a good number of lists. The first such abuse of others was A.O.L.S. -- yes, you just look bad, real bad. There is one LUG to which I'm subscribed, which is still good for support and edification of others. Since I (re)joined this list on Oct 21, it appears that only 3 messages have been of enough technical merit for saving. FWIW, swearing here is rare. Usually it's understandable when it happens. Threads like this current one are also rare. Unfortunately of late they usually involve Lennart, and that's understandable too: In trying to solve a general problem, Lennart has a knack for breaking Gentoo - this distro does not fit the general problems he works on. Stick around, this list is worth the effort. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] In trying to solve a general problem, Lennart has a knack for breaking Gentoo - this distro does not fit the general problems he works on. Oh, really? Didn't get the memo. I suppose all my machines (laptops, desktops, servers and media center) running with Gentoo+systemd (and what is more, *without* OpenRC) are a fidget of my imagination. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: [snip] It offends me. That's too bad. In public mailing lists profanity happens a lot. I suggest you not to read LKML; Linus is famous for his outbursts: you probably would get offended a lot. Regards. I happen to know Bruce. I don't just mean to see his posts here but I have actually met him in person, in real life, eyeball to eyeball and more than once and over several years at that. I understand why it offends him since I know him but most likely he won't say it because, well, he is a better person than most. So, I'll explain it as best as I can for you. Bruce is a Christian, as am I. You ever see me post profanity like that? I bet you haven't seen him post any either. You ever wonder why? I do my very best to be respectful, even if someone can't or won't do the same for me. Thing is, you don't just make yourself look bad when you use that kind of language, you make everyone else here look bad too. We, as in anyone on this list, may disagree on things at times but there is no need for bad language nor should it happen either. It is uncalled for to say it lightly. Pointing to other bad behaviour is no excuse either. I'm not a member of the kernel mailing list nor do I want to be. Their reputation precedes them on that one. Several years ago, the -dev mailing list was a sewer of a place to be. It gave Gentoo a very bad reputation and was talked about all over the place. Back then, I used Gentoo but by no means was I proud of the way the people treated each other on -dev. I had no reason to be either. There are occasional exceptions to this but for the most part, I am proud of what Gentoo has become. How it has fixed its reputation on its own. I really hope -user is not going to have to go through the same thing -dev did. I hope -user is not going to turn into what -dev was a few years ago. One thing for sure, I'm not going to take it there. I hope others will join me on this one. Why not try this, treat others as you would like to be treated. Some of us, don't like the profanity and I include myself in that. As you said, this is a PUBLIC mailing list. That means anything we do is seen by others. We should ALL remember that. If we don't, we will be talked about like we was a few years ago when -dev was so bad but this time it will be -user. If you are not a religious person, then fine, some of us are. It doesn't mean we can't still respect each other and be a better place than the LKML. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2012-11-11, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not saying that every single transformer out there has mineral oil in it but according to that, it is still in common use. Also, according to that it also does the job of removing the heat from the transformer too. If you want, watch this video. You can see how they are made from start to finish, including the mineral oil fill up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUO3o5JTGhQ and the oil is very toxic and as I wrote earlier mineral oil is replaced with other coolants. For some very good reasons. ... Again, I use mineral oil every day. How can it be toxic when I put it on my skin? Mineral Oil is a vague term and is used to refer to a wide range of substances. For many years, the stuff they used in transformers was high in PCBs and was based on a type mineral oil different than what you're using. I might add, my Doctor knows I put it on and he has never mentioned it being toxic. The stuff you're using isn't toxic. But it is still being used and according to the wiki, it is *highly refined* mineral oil. While startpaging around, I found that they refine it more and remove the bad stuff, PCB's and such, so that it isn't toxic or anything. They changed that way back in the 70's or 80's. The posts from Volker imply that it is not used anymore but it is. I posted a link that says it is and a video of how the transformers are still being made today. Heck, I even found a company that currently makes the transformer oil. If no one is using mineral oil like Volker implies then why do they still make it? Point is, they still use mineral oil in transformers and it serves two functions. It removes heat and acts as a insulator. Both of those are good things as opposed to water and a computer motherboard. Spill water on a mobo, buy a new mobo. Spill mineral oil on a mobo, just clean up the mess. Given the cost of a mobo, CPU, and anything else that could be ruined, I'd prefer mineral oil over water. So, I'm still not putting water in my puter. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re 2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.biz2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: Mmmh. I stopped using that overlay years ago. It's still maintained? Must be, it had all the necessary .service files that were missing from the systemd install. You probably still had those laying around from when you did use the overlay. You can also link /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service to your preferred login manager. Recent versions of systemd will take care of everything else. Except that there was no service file for my preferred login manager. But I saw there was one installed for the slim manager. So rather than fight, I switched. I also googled a little and found that lightdm has an open bug for requesting systemd support Anyway, works fine with slim, and it turns out I like it better anyway. Especially since lightdm-gtk-greeter recently broke the background image support. -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] If you are not a religious person, then fine, some of us are. It doesn't mean we can't still respect each other and be a better place than the LKML. I'm atheists, and I don't see any relation between being or not a religious person, using profanity, or that we respect each other. The three of them are orthogonal, I think. I try to respect every member of this list. To me, that doesn't have anything to do with using profanity, nor the other way around: I've seen a LOT of unrespectful behaviour by many members of the lists, who didn't use profanity at all. I believe is shallow and a little silly to equate being respectful to not use profanity. As such, I will continue to use profanity from time to time when I believe is the proper response (as it was in this case). If you don't like it, feel free to filter me, ignore me, or wathever course of action you think you should take. I will not censor myself just to placate the sensibilities of someone. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote: Re 2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.biz2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: Mmmh. I stopped using that overlay years ago. It's still maintained? Must be, it had all the necessary .service files that were missing from the systemd install. That doesn't mean anything; the format of the .service files is really simple and most of them will work from systemd-1 to systemd-195. You probably still had those laying around from when you did use the overlay. No, I do not. Which service files do you need from the package? The only one I needed (and wasn't included in its own package) was for vixie-cron. You can also link /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service to your preferred login manager. Recent versions of systemd will take care of everything else. Except that there was no service file for my preferred login manager. But I saw there was one installed for the slim manager. So rather than fight, I switched. I also googled a little and found that lightdm has an open bug for requesting systemd support Anyway, works fine with slim, and it turns out I like it better anyway. Especially since lightdm-gtk-greeter recently broke the background image support. systemd support is generally optional, not mandatory. In other words, if lightdm works with OpenRC, it will work with systemd; maybe it will not integrate a lot of features from it, but it will work as it works in OpenRC: as a standalone service. I'm pretty sure a Google search will give you several instances of service files for lightdm (or wathever login manager you want to use). Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re 509F99F3.7060405@coolmail.se509F99F3.7060405@coolmail.se2592463.C9mGjqLMLj@gentook7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Peter Humphrey said: Not wishing to hijack the thread, but have you thought about lasers? Light sabers are the future, dude! -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: If you don't like it, feel free to filter me, ignore me, or wathever course of action you think you should take. I will not censor myself just to placate the sensibilities of someone. Regards. First time in over eight years that I have had to do this. So sad. It would be so nice if you could respect the wishes of others as I am about to do for you. Keep in mind, if you reply to my messages in the future, I will not see them. Consider it done. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re 2012185801.58964939@dartworks.biz2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: That doesn't mean anything; the format of the .service files is really simple and most of them will work from systemd-1 to systemd-195. As long as you know what the dependencies are and how to invoke it (is it a deamon, or not?). Yes you can figure all that out and write all files but it would take some time. the overlay saved me a lot of time. No, I do not. Which service files do you need from the package? The only one I needed (and wasn't included in its own package) was for vixie-cron. And syslog-ng, and others I forgot. These have already been done in the overlay. So after some experience with it, I see that booting is a little faster, but not much. But my xfce session startup seems to take longer now. hm... It's also less clear how to manage this thing. The systemadm tool segfaults on me. on the plus side the shutdown is much faster. -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
Re: [gentoo-user] [systemd] Right way to start an nfs server?
I was having the same problem. I had found and nfs package for fedora and in it had the .service files. I used those and got it to work. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:56 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sooo close, but I'm doing something wrong with nfs server, and my nfs clients keep getting rejection messages. I got my systemd scripts here: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/**wiki/Systemd#NFShttp://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Systemd#NFS I know the problem is with the nfs server because the nfs clients work normally if I boot the nfs server using openrc instead of systemd. Anyone have nfs servers working properly with systemd? I'm out of ideas :( Thanks
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote: Re 2012185801.58964939@dartworks.biz2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: That doesn't mean anything; the format of the .service files is really simple and most of them will work from systemd-1 to systemd-195. As long as you know what the dependencies are and how to invoke it (is it a deamon, or not?). Yes you can figure all that out and write all files but it would take some time. the overlay saved me a lot of time. I can see now that the overlay is indeed being maintained. No, I do not. Which service files do you need from the package? The only one I needed (and wasn't included in its own package) was for vixie-cron. And syslog-ng, and others I forgot. These have already been done in the overlay. I used rsyslog, which contains its own service file (like most of the packages I use). Now I'm using only the journal. So after some experience with it, I see that booting is a little faster, but not much. But my xfce session startup seems to take longer now. That it's weird. What does systemd-analyze blame say after a fresh boot? hm... It's also less clear how to manage this thing. The systemadm tool segfaults on me. That is a bug, and probably related to the slow boot. on the plus side the shutdown is much faster. If you give us more information, perhaps we can try to figure out the issues. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 07:50:04PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: [snip] It offends me. That's too bad. In public mailing lists profanity happens a lot. I suggest you not to read LKML; Linus is famous for his outbursts: you probably would get offended a lot. Regards. Seems you snipped out the part which makes you a liar; and, I quote you: I hope it doesn't offend anyone. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 09:02:18PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I'm atheists, and I don't see any relation between being or not a religious person, using profanity, or that we respect each other. The three of them are orthogonal, I think. I try to respect every member of this list. To me, that doesn't have anything to do with using profanity, nor the other way around: I've seen a LOT of unrespectful behaviour by many members of the lists, who didn't use profanity at all. I believe is shallow and a little silly to equate being respectful to not use profanity. As such, I will continue to use profanity from time to time when I believe is the proper response (as it was in this case). If you don't like it, feel free to filter me, ignore me, or wathever course of action you think you should take. I will not censor myself just to placate the sensibilities of someone. Regards. And I quote what you snip out of your replies now: I hope it doesn't offend anyone. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 03:57:52AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: FWIW, swearing here is rare. Usually it's understandable when it happens. Threads like this current one are also rare. Unfortunately of late they usually involve Lennart, and that's understandable too: In trying to solve a general problem, Lennart has a knack for breaking Gentoo - this distro does not fit the general problems he works on. Stick around, this list is worth the effort. Dale made some good points. Whether or not one chooses to use profanity, this list should be about supporting Gentoo users, eh? If we also stick to helping someone with their problem, and refrain from replying about how bad or useless we think an app or ideal might be to us, we could avoid flame wars. But, also, there are always those who enjoy the comparison of mine is better than yours. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Bruce Hill wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 03:57:52AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: FWIW, swearing here is rare. Usually it's understandable when it happens. Threads like this current one are also rare. Unfortunately of late they usually involve Lennart, and that's understandable too: In trying to solve a general problem, Lennart has a knack for breaking Gentoo - this distro does not fit the general problems he works on. Stick around, this list is worth the effort. Dale made some good points. Whether or not one chooses to use profanity, this list should be about supporting Gentoo users, eh? If we also stick to helping someone with their problem, and refrain from replying about how bad or useless we think an app or ideal might be to us, we could avoid flame wars. But, also, there are always those who enjoy the comparison of mine is better than yours. I got two things from his reply to me earlier. First, he talks about not offending someone then goes and does it anyway. Second, he is going to continue to do it even after people have asked him not to. I don't think I am the first person to bring up his language and/or attitude either. I think anyone that read his reply to me can see for themselves who and what he is and what he will do in the future on this list. Now they get to decide whether to do the same as I have done. For the first time in over eight years, I have blacklisted a person. That's not just a first for this list but for anyone, anywhere. I just hope this corrects itself before this turns Gentoo back several years to what was a really bad time for all of us. Disagreement is one thing but this is totally uncalled for. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 07:50:04PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: [snip] It offends me. That's too bad. In public mailing lists profanity happens a lot. I suggest you not to read LKML; Linus is famous for his outbursts: you probably would get offended a lot. Regards. Seems you snipped out the part which makes you a liar; and, I quote you: I hope it doesn't offend anyone. Why does that make me a liar? I didn't wanted to offend anyone; that was not my intention. That doesn't mean I care if it does offend someone. The way I see it, if my use of profanity offends you, that it's your problem. Not mine. Doesn't mean I *wanted* to offend; it just means that I don't *care*. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] kde splash screen won't show up when loading kde
On Sunday 11 Nov 2012 21:39:50 Pau Peris wrote: Hi, thanks to all for your questions, this issue is also happening to me on a fresh install so i'm pretty sure a package/lib is missing. Hope someone can get out a clue. Thanks. :) Maybe you can try installing kdebase-startkde or kde-base-meta and see what additional packages portage wants to install. The one you need is probably one of them. -- - Yohan Pereira The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and a seal. -- Mark Twain
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 09:02:18PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I'm atheists, and I don't see any relation between being or not a religious person, using profanity, or that we respect each other. The three of them are orthogonal, I think. I try to respect every member of this list. To me, that doesn't have anything to do with using profanity, nor the other way around: I've seen a LOT of unrespectful behaviour by many members of the lists, who didn't use profanity at all. I believe is shallow and a little silly to equate being respectful to not use profanity. As such, I will continue to use profanity from time to time when I believe is the proper response (as it was in this case). If you don't like it, feel free to filter me, ignore me, or wathever course of action you think you should take. I will not censor myself just to placate the sensibilities of someone. Regards. And I quote what you snip out of your replies now: I hope it doesn't offend anyone. I still don't understand you, and I still stand by what I said. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
