[gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem

2013-05-26 Thread Dale
Howdy,

I been letting portage upgrade nvidia drivers as usual.  Thing is, the
last two or three drivers seems to cause a issue.  First, versions that
cause the issue:

=x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.12
=x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.17
=x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.23

I'm currently using this one which works fine:

x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-313.30

This is KDE info:

[IP-] [  ] kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.3-r2

Video card info:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT
220] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: NVIDIA Corporation Device 069a
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 18
Memory at fb00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
Memory at c000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
Memory at de00 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M]
I/O ports at ef00 [size=128]
[virtual] Expansion ROM at d000 [disabled] [size=512K]
Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [68] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
Capabilities: [78] Express Endpoint, MSI 00
Capabilities: [b4] Vendor Specific Information: Len=14 ?
Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel
Capabilities: [128] Power Budgeting ?
Capabilities: [600] Vendor Specific Information: ID=0001 Rev=1
Len=024 ?
Kernel driver in use: nvidia
Kernel modules: nvidia


The problem.  After I am logged into KDE for a good while, like several
hours to maybe a day or so, the kicker thingy at the bottom locks up
tight.  I can't switch desktops, clock stops working, can't click the K
menu thingy either.  Everything in the kicker thingy is dead as a door
nail.  I can switch desktops with the keyboard and everything else works
in KDE just fine.  I can also switch to a console too.  Killing X and
restarting it fixes it, xdm restart in my case.  I don't have to reload
drivers or restart the system.  I do go back and downgrade the drivers
after testing it.

So, is this a nvidia bug, KDE bug or is it something else?  Since it
works when I go back a version of nvidia, it looks like nvidia.  Think
is, it only affects KDE and nothing else.  Is it possible that my card
is not supposed to use the 319.* series of drivers?  The versions that
don't work are all 319.* series. 

Thoughts? 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how 
you interpreted my words!




Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem

2013-05-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/05/2013 11:12, Dale wrote:
 Howdy,
 
 I been letting portage upgrade nvidia drivers as usual.  Thing is, the
 last two or three drivers seems to cause a issue.  First, versions that
 cause the issue:
 
 =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.12
 =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.17
 =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.23
 
 I'm currently using this one which works fine:
 
 x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-313.30
 
 This is KDE info:
 
 [IP-] [  ] kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.3-r2
 
 Video card info:
 
 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT
 220] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
 Subsystem: NVIDIA Corporation Device 069a
 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 18
 Memory at fb00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
 Memory at c000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
 Memory at de00 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M]
 I/O ports at ef00 [size=128]
 [virtual] Expansion ROM at d000 [disabled] [size=512K]
 Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 3
 Capabilities: [68] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
 Capabilities: [78] Express Endpoint, MSI 00
 Capabilities: [b4] Vendor Specific Information: Len=14 ?
 Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel
 Capabilities: [128] Power Budgeting ?
 Capabilities: [600] Vendor Specific Information: ID=0001 Rev=1
 Len=024 ?
 Kernel driver in use: nvidia
 Kernel modules: nvidia
 
 
 The problem.  After I am logged into KDE for a good while, like several
 hours to maybe a day or so, the kicker thingy at the bottom locks up
 tight.  I can't switch desktops, clock stops working, can't click the K
 menu thingy either.  Everything in the kicker thingy is dead as a door
 nail.  I can switch desktops with the keyboard and everything else works
 in KDE just fine.  I can also switch to a console too.  Killing X and
 restarting it fixes it, xdm restart in my case.  I don't have to reload
 drivers or restart the system.  I do go back and downgrade the drivers
 after testing it.
 
 So, is this a nvidia bug, KDE bug or is it something else?  Since it
 works when I go back a version of nvidia, it looks like nvidia.  Think
 is, it only affects KDE and nothing else.  Is it possible that my card
 is not supposed to use the 319.* series of drivers?  The versions that
 don't work are all 319.* series. 


I get a similar issue, my video card is an ATI and I use the radeon drivers.

Same symptom as you - plasma stops updating it's widgets like clocks and
stops responding to the mouse. Keyboard works.

In my case, it's usually linked to nfs and smb mounts that went away
(eg, if I forget to umount my NFS media server at home and go to work)
which indicates a blocking issue somehow. I've read many reports on the
internet that krunner is somehow involved, so that might be a good
starting point for investigation. krunner is the thing you get in KDE
when typing Alt-F2


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem

2013-05-26 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote:
 I get a similar issue, my video card is an ATI and I use the radeon
 drivers. Same symptom as you - plasma stops updating it's widgets like
 clocks and stops responding to the mouse. Keyboard works. In my case,
 it's usually linked to nfs and smb mounts that went away (eg, if I
 forget to umount my NFS media server at home and go to work) which
 indicates a blocking issue somehow. I've read many reports on the
 internet that krunner is somehow involved, so that might be a good
 starting point for investigation. krunner is the thing you get in KDE
 when typing Alt-F2 

So this may not be a nvidia issue at all since you get the same with a
ATI card.  Right? 

What package provides the kicker thingy?  I think in KDE3 it was called
kicker but it appears to have changed to something else.  Is that
krunner that has it now?

Thanks.

Dale 

:-)  :-) 

-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how 
you interpreted my words!




Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem

2013-05-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/05/2013 11:51, Dale wrote:
 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 I get a similar issue, my video card is an ATI and I use the radeon
 drivers. Same symptom as you - plasma stops updating it's widgets like
 clocks and stops responding to the mouse. Keyboard works. In my case,
 it's usually linked to nfs and smb mounts that went away (eg, if I
 forget to umount my NFS media server at home and go to work) which
 indicates a blocking issue somehow. I've read many reports on the
 internet that krunner is somehow involved, so that might be a good
 starting point for investigation. krunner is the thing you get in KDE
 when typing Alt-F2 
 
 So this may not be a nvidia issue at all since you get the same with a
 ATI card.  Right? 

yes


 
 What package provides the kicker thingy?  I think in KDE3 it was called
 kicker but it appears to have changed to something else.  Is that
 krunner that has it now?

Maybe it's time you used the thingy suffix a little less and the real
names of things a little more :-)

What thing are you asking about? The panel that is usually at the bottom
and holds the plasma widgets? Or the thin popup you get with Alt-F2?

The panel is called plasma-desktop and comes from kde-base/plasma-workspace
The popup is krunner and comes from kde-base/krunner

I doubt very much it's a real bug as such in either KDE app (although
the fix might go in there). It looks much more to me like a side-effect
of IO blocking - two or more apps are trying to get something done and
unexpectedly are not getting answers, so they hang around waiting in the
doorway and get get in the way of everything else. And just for fun,
video drivers are also trying to get in on the act as they have to deal
with mouse pointer repaints...

Debugging this one is going to be fun (for peculiar definitions of fun)


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem

2013-05-26 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On 26/05/2013 11:51, Dale wrote:

 What package provides the kicker thingy?  I think in KDE3 it was called
 kicker but it appears to have changed to something else.  Is that
 krunner that has it now?
 Maybe it's time you used the thingy suffix a little less and the real
 names of things a little more :-)

 What thing are you asking about? The panel that is usually at the bottom
 and holds the plasma widgets? Or the thin popup you get with Alt-F2?

 The panel is called plasma-desktop and comes from kde-base/plasma-workspace
 The popup is krunner and comes from kde-base/krunner

 I doubt very much it's a real bug as such in either KDE app (although
 the fix might go in there). It looks much more to me like a side-effect
 of IO blocking - two or more apps are trying to get something done and
 unexpectedly are not getting answers, so they hang around waiting in the
 doorway and get get in the way of everything else. And just for fun,
 video drivers are also trying to get in on the act as they have to deal
 with mouse pointer repaints...

 Debugging this one is going to be fun (for peculiar definitions of fun)



The thingy is the thing at the bottom where I can switch desktops, click
the K menu and where my clock is.  I think it was called Kicker in
KDE3.  KDE4 seems to have changed it but not sure what the new name is. 

I hope they fix this thing soon.  If they remove the driver from the
tree, I'm in a bit of a pickle. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how 
you interpreted my words!




Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem

2013-05-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/05/2013 13:03, Dale wrote:
 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On 26/05/2013 11:51, Dale wrote:

 What package provides the kicker thingy?  I think in KDE3 it was called
 kicker but it appears to have changed to something else.  Is that
 krunner that has it now?
 Maybe it's time you used the thingy suffix a little less and the real
 names of things a little more :-)

 What thing are you asking about? The panel that is usually at the bottom
 and holds the plasma widgets? Or the thin popup you get with Alt-F2?

 The panel is called plasma-desktop and comes from kde-base/plasma-workspace
 The popup is krunner and comes from kde-base/krunner

 I doubt very much it's a real bug as such in either KDE app (although
 the fix might go in there). It looks much more to me like a side-effect
 of IO blocking - two or more apps are trying to get something done and
 unexpectedly are not getting answers, so they hang around waiting in the
 doorway and get get in the way of everything else. And just for fun,
 video drivers are also trying to get in on the act as they have to deal
 with mouse pointer repaints...

 Debugging this one is going to be fun (for peculiar definitions of fun)


 
 The thingy is the thing at the bottom where I can switch desktops, click
 the K menu and where my clock is.  I think it was called Kicker in
 KDE3.  KDE4 seems to have changed it but not sure what the new name is. 

It's a plasma widget called a panel, the only useful thing it does is to
be a container for other widgets that do useful stuff.

The panel is started by plasma-desktop as one of the standard widgets it
manages. The idea is to give you stuff on the screen that looks more or
less like a familiar desktop. Plasma can do other things and give you
completely different layouts; like for instance not giving you a panel
at all. This would be useful on a phone with small screen

The whole thing is heavily event based and has to react to a bucket load
of system events being generated such as what the mouse is doing.
There's a fantastic number of ways this could go wrong, some might be
plasma's fault, some might be faults that happen to plasma

 
 I hope they fix this thing soon.  If they remove the driver from the
 tree, I'm in a bit of a pickle. 

No, you won't be. You have the ebuild right now, copy it to your overlay
and remove becomes something that will not happen



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




[gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and KDE problem

2013-05-26 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 26/05/13 12:12, Dale wrote:

[...]
The problem.  After I am logged into KDE for a good while, like several
hours to maybe a day or so, the kicker thingy at the bottom locks up
tight.  I can't switch desktops, clock stops working, can't click the K
menu thingy either.  Everything in the kicker thingy is dead as a door
nail.  I can switch desktops with the keyboard and everything else works
in KDE just fine.  I can also switch to a console too.  Killing X and
restarting it fixes it, xdm restart in my case.  I don't have to reload
drivers or restart the system.


Hmm, something similar happens here sometimes. But not as severe. It 
usually happens when I close many windows rapidly in succession, but 
it's not permanent. The panel becomes responsive again after 10 seconds 
or so. I'm also on latest nvidia-drivers, but it was happening with 
older versions too. I happened very rarely though, so it didn't bother 
me enough to go investigating.


Here's something to try out: when it happens, hit the shortcut on your 
keyboard that temporarily suspends desktop effects. I don't remember 
what the default shortcut for it is, as I've changed it, but it's shown 
and configured in the General tab of Desktop Effects in System 
Settings. See if hitting the shortcut twice to disable and then 
re-enable desktop effects fixes it.





Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem

2013-05-26 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On 26/05/2013 13:03, Dale wrote:
 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On 26/05/2013 11:51, Dale wrote:

 What package provides the kicker thingy?  I think in KDE3 it was called
 kicker but it appears to have changed to something else.  Is that
 krunner that has it now?
 Maybe it's time you used the thingy suffix a little less and the real
 names of things a little more :-)

 What thing are you asking about? The panel that is usually at the bottom
 and holds the plasma widgets? Or the thin popup you get with Alt-F2?

 The panel is called plasma-desktop and comes from kde-base/plasma-workspace
 The popup is krunner and comes from kde-base/krunner

 I doubt very much it's a real bug as such in either KDE app (although
 the fix might go in there). It looks much more to me like a side-effect
 of IO blocking - two or more apps are trying to get something done and
 unexpectedly are not getting answers, so they hang around waiting in the
 doorway and get get in the way of everything else. And just for fun,
 video drivers are also trying to get in on the act as they have to deal
 with mouse pointer repaints...

 Debugging this one is going to be fun (for peculiar definitions of fun)


 The thingy is the thing at the bottom where I can switch desktops, click
 the K menu and where my clock is.  I think it was called Kicker in
 KDE3.  KDE4 seems to have changed it but not sure what the new name is. 
 It's a plasma widget called a panel, the only useful thing it does is to
 be a container for other widgets that do useful stuff.

 The panel is started by plasma-desktop as one of the standard widgets it
 manages. The idea is to give you stuff on the screen that looks more or
 less like a familiar desktop. Plasma can do other things and give you
 completely different layouts; like for instance not giving you a panel
 at all. This would be useful on a phone with small screen

 The whole thing is heavily event based and has to react to a bucket load
 of system events being generated such as what the mouse is doing.
 There's a fantastic number of ways this could go wrong, some might be
 plasma's fault, some might be faults that happen to plasma


I'll try to remember to call it a panel thingy then.  ROFL 


 I hope they fix this thing soon.  If they remove the driver from the
 tree, I'm in a bit of a pickle. 
 No, you won't be. You have the ebuild right now, copy it to your overlay
 and remove becomes something that will not happen




Last time I did that, it didn't work out well.  Actually, it just plain
didn't work.  May as well tell it like it is.  ;-)  I'll save a copy
just in case. 

Cross that bridge when I get there I guess. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how 
you interpreted my words!




Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and KDE problem

2013-05-26 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
 On 26/05/13 12:12, Dale wrote:
 [...]
 The problem.  After I am logged into KDE for a good while, like several
 hours to maybe a day or so, the kicker thingy at the bottom locks up
 tight.  I can't switch desktops, clock stops working, can't click the K
 menu thingy either.  Everything in the kicker thingy is dead as a door
 nail.  I can switch desktops with the keyboard and everything else works
 in KDE just fine.  I can also switch to a console too.  Killing X and
 restarting it fixes it, xdm restart in my case.  I don't have to reload
 drivers or restart the system.

 Hmm, something similar happens here sometimes. But not as severe. It
 usually happens when I close many windows rapidly in succession, but
 it's not permanent. The panel becomes responsive again after 10
 seconds or so. I'm also on latest nvidia-drivers, but it was happening
 with older versions too. I happened very rarely though, so it didn't
 bother me enough to go investigating.

 Here's something to try out: when it happens, hit the shortcut on your
 keyboard that temporarily suspends desktop effects. I don't remember
 what the default shortcut for it is, as I've changed it, but it's
 shown and configured in the General tab of Desktop Effects in
 System Settings. See if hitting the shortcut twice to disable and then
 re-enable desktop effects fixes it.





Mine wasn't set at all.  I set it to ctrl alt F12.  Now to remember that
and try it.  Also, I'm using the good nvidia version right now so it
won't happen right now.  Maybe on the next upgrade.  :/

At least I know it is not just me.  So far, two people have had this
issue to some degree. 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how 
you interpreted my words!




[gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and KDE problem

2013-05-26 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 26/05/13 15:14, Dale wrote:

Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

On 26/05/13 12:12, Dale wrote:

[...]
The problem.  After I am logged into KDE for a good while, like several
hours to maybe a day or so, the kicker thingy at the bottom locks up
tight.  I can't switch desktops, clock stops working, can't click the K
menu thingy either.  Everything in the kicker thingy is dead as a door
nail.  I can switch desktops with the keyboard and everything else works
in KDE just fine.  I can also switch to a console too.  Killing X and
restarting it fixes it, xdm restart in my case.  I don't have to reload
drivers or restart the system.


Hmm, something similar happens here sometimes. But not as severe. It
usually happens when I close many windows rapidly in succession, but
it's not permanent. The panel becomes responsive again after 10
seconds or so. I'm also on latest nvidia-drivers, but it was happening
with older versions too. I happened very rarely though, so it didn't
bother me enough to go investigating.

Here's something to try out: when it happens, hit the shortcut on your
keyboard that temporarily suspends desktop effects. I don't remember
what the default shortcut for it is, as I've changed it, but it's
shown and configured in the General tab of Desktop Effects in
System Settings. See if hitting the shortcut twice to disable and then
re-enable desktop effects fixes it.


Mine wasn't set at all.  I set it to ctrl alt F12.  Now to remember that
and try it.  Also, I'm using the good nvidia version right now so it
won't happen right now.  Maybe on the next upgrade.  :/


Ctrl+Alt+F12 will probably be intercepted by the X server and switch to 
virtual console 12. Try something like Ctrl+Shift+F12 instead (I've set 
mine to the My Computer button on the keyboard though, since that 
one's useless otherwise.)





[gentoo-user] Re: IP Load Sharing - Per Packet Load Balancing (Linux router)

2013-05-26 Thread Nick Khamis
Any different if the links are VDSL? I have little experience in
working with DSL based connections, and was wondering what was
possible in terms or bridging/bonding etc.. if anything.

N.

On 5/25/13, Nick Khamis sym...@gmail.com wrote:
 I missed out some crusial info in my last email. As mentioned this
 would be two separate DSL services, connected using separate bridges.
 I think I am describing more of a link aggregation or bonding

 Also assuming that the service providers support bonding of the links


 N.

 On 5/25/13, Nick Khamis sym...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone,

 I am looking to put together a linux router for small business, and
 was wondering if there was anything the suite (using quagga etc..)
 that would allow for load balancing of regular dsl links. Kind of like
 cisco with fast ethernet 0,1 and ip sef. If outgoing and incoming
 traffic could be balanced, it would be great!

 Kind Regards,

 Nick.





Re: [gentoo-user] IP Load Sharing - Per Packet Load Balancing (Linux router)

2013-05-26 Thread Stroller

On 25 May 2013, at 22:26, Nick Khamis wrote:
 ... As mentioned this
 would be two separate DSL services, connected using separate bridges.
 I think I am describing more of a link aggregation or bonding
 
 Also assuming that the service providers support bonding of the links….

Here in the UK this is a somewhat common thing - there are a number of ISPs 
which offer bonded xDSL services. 

It's certainly possible to use a Linux router to manage such a connection, 
although I don't know the details.

http://www22.brinkster.com/findall/bondedcd.html
http://www.automatedhome.co.uk/reviews/adsl-bonding-how-to-and-review.html

Stroller.


Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem

2013-05-26 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 26.05.2013 11:12, schrieb Dale:
 Howdy,

 I been letting portage upgrade nvidia drivers as usual.  Thing is, the
 last two or three drivers seems to cause a issue.  First, versions that
 cause the issue:

 =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.12
 =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.17
 =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.23

 I'm currently using this one which works fine:

 x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-313.30

 This is KDE info:

 [IP-] [  ] kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.3-r2

 Video card info:

 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT
 220] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
 Subsystem: NVIDIA Corporation Device 069a
 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 18
 Memory at fb00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
 Memory at c000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
 Memory at de00 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M]
 I/O ports at ef00 [size=128]
 [virtual] Expansion ROM at d000 [disabled] [size=512K]
 Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 3
 Capabilities: [68] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
 Capabilities: [78] Express Endpoint, MSI 00
 Capabilities: [b4] Vendor Specific Information: Len=14 ?
 Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel
 Capabilities: [128] Power Budgeting ?
 Capabilities: [600] Vendor Specific Information: ID=0001 Rev=1
 Len=024 ?
 Kernel driver in use: nvidia
 Kernel modules: nvidia


 The problem.  After I am logged into KDE for a good while, like several
 hours to maybe a day or so, the kicker thingy at the bottom locks up
 tight.  I can't switch desktops, clock stops working, can't click the K
 menu thingy either.  Everything in the kicker thingy is dead as a door
 nail.  I can switch desktops with the keyboard and everything else works
 in KDE just fine.  I can also switch to a console too.  Killing X and
 restarting it fixes it, xdm restart in my case.  I don't have to reload
 drivers or restart the system.  I do go back and downgrade the drivers
 after testing it.

 So, is this a nvidia bug, KDE bug or is it something else?  Since it
 works when I go back a version of nvidia, it looks like nvidia.  Think
 is, it only affects KDE and nothing else.  Is it possible that my card
 is not supposed to use the 319.* series of drivers?  The versions that
 don't work are all 319.* series. 

 Thoughts? 

 Dale

 :-)  :-) 


next time as root do:
killall -9 krunner
killall -9 plasma-desktop



Re: [gentoo-user] IP Load Sharing - Per Packet Load Balancing (Linux router)

2013-05-26 Thread J. Roeleveld
 On 25 May 2013, at 22:26, Nick Khamis wrote:
 ... As mentioned this
 would be two separate DSL services, connected using separate bridges.
 I think I am describing more of a link aggregation or bonding

 Also assuming that the service providers support bonding of the links….

 Here in the UK this is a somewhat common thing - there are a number of
ISPs which
 offer bonded xDSL services.

 It's certainly possible to use a Linux router to manage such a connection,
 although I don't know the details.

 http://www22.brinkster.com/findall/bondedcd.html

 http://www.automatedhome.co.uk/reviews/adsl-bonding-how-to-and-revie
 w.html

Bonding network devices together is quite simple, but it needs to be
configured on both ends.
In other words, to merge 2 DSL-connections together using bonding, you
need to get both from the same ISP and the ISP would need to support it on
their end.

If bonding can't be done on the ISP-side, you can use seperate
load-balancing/failover using other techniques.

--
Joost




Re: [gentoo-user] IP Load Sharing - Per Packet Load Balancing (Linux router)

2013-05-26 Thread Mick
On Sunday 26 May 2013 22:35:14 J. Roeleveld wrote:
  On 25 May 2013, at 22:26, Nick Khamis wrote:
  ... As mentioned this
  would be two separate DSL services, connected using separate bridges.
  I think I am describing more of a link aggregation or bonding
  
  Also assuming that the service providers support bonding of the links….
  
  Here in the UK this is a somewhat common thing - there are a number of
 
 ISPs which
 
  offer bonded xDSL services.
  
  It's certainly possible to use a Linux router to manage such a
  connection, although I don't know the details.
  
  http://www22.brinkster.com/findall/bondedcd.html
  
  http://www.automatedhome.co.uk/reviews/adsl-bonding-how-to-and-revie
  w.html
 
 Bonding network devices together is quite simple, but it needs to be
 configured on both ends.
 In other words, to merge 2 DSL-connections together using bonding, you
 need to get both from the same ISP and the ISP would need to support it on
 their end.
 
 If bonding can't be done on the ISP-side, you can use seperate
 load-balancing/failover using other techniques.

There's different ways of going about it, without or without MLPPP, depending 
on what your ISP offers:

http://wiki.aa.org.uk/index.php/Linux_upload_bonding_using_multipath_routing

http://wiki.aa.org.uk/index.php/Linux_upload_bonding_using_policy_routing


It used to be the case that Cisco 1800/2800 routers were used at customers' 
premises for MLPPP with certain UK ISPs, but since BT started implementing 
21CN (ADSL2+) they are using ERX core routers (Juniper) and no longer support 
MLPPP.  I understand that MPLS is used instead these days, but have no 
experience in its implementation.
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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[gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

2013-05-26 Thread Tamer Higazi
Hi people!
When I merge large or big packages like firefox, thunderbird or
chromium. The system hangsup with kernel panick and displays on the
screen reboot after 30 seconds.

What could it be?!



For any help or advises, I would kindly thank you.




Tamer



Re: [gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

2013-05-26 Thread Dale
Tamer Higazi wrote:
 Hi people!
 When I merge large or big packages like firefox, thunderbird or
 chromium. The system hangsup with kernel panick and displays on the
 screen reboot after 30 seconds.

 What could it be?!



 For any help or advises, I would kindly thank you.




 Tamer



Could be lots of things but have you checked your ram?  Power supply
getting hot?  CPU getting hot?  Those are things I can thing of right
off the top of my head.  I'm sure others will have additional ideas. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how 
you interpreted my words!




[gentoo-user] Re: kernel panick after time while compiling....

2013-05-26 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 27/05/13 02:15, Tamer Higazi wrote:

Hi people!
When I merge large or big packages like firefox, thunderbird or
chromium. The system hangsup with kernel panick and displays on the
screen reboot after 30 seconds.

What could it be?!


Install sys-apps/memtest86+ make a bootloader entry for it and boot it. 
Sounds like a RAM problem and memtest will help you find out whether 
that's the case.





Re: [gentoo-user] IP Load Sharing - Per Packet Load Balancing (Linux router)

2013-05-26 Thread Nick Khamis
Remaining independent from corporate bureaucracy or lack of support
(ISP saying no to MLPP), and proprietary technology (our friends in
blue, purple and green ;). What would be the best way to integrate it
to my linux router to laod balance packets both up and down.
And if not at the packet level, maybe the session would suffice (i.e,
per network session)?
Although per packet would be preferred.

Kind Regards,

Nick.

On 5/26/13, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sunday 26 May 2013 22:35:14 J. Roeleveld wrote:
  On 25 May 2013, at 22:26, Nick Khamis wrote:
  ... As mentioned this
  would be two separate DSL services, connected using separate bridges.
  I think I am describing more of a link aggregation or bonding
 
  Also assuming that the service providers support bonding of the
  links….
 
  Here in the UK this is a somewhat common thing - there are a number of

 ISPs which

  offer bonded xDSL services.
 
  It's certainly possible to use a Linux router to manage such a
  connection, although I don't know the details.
 
  http://www22.brinkster.com/findall/bondedcd.html
 
  http://www.automatedhome.co.uk/reviews/adsl-bonding-how-to-and-revie
  w.html

 Bonding network devices together is quite simple, but it needs to be
 configured on both ends.
 In other words, to merge 2 DSL-connections together using bonding, you
 need to get both from the same ISP and the ISP would need to support it
 on
 their end.

 If bonding can't be done on the ISP-side, you can use seperate
 load-balancing/failover using other techniques.

 There's different ways of going about it, without or without MLPPP,
 depending
 on what your ISP offers:

 http://wiki.aa.org.uk/index.php/Linux_upload_bonding_using_multipath_routing

 http://wiki.aa.org.uk/index.php/Linux_upload_bonding_using_policy_routing


 It used to be the case that Cisco 1800/2800 routers were used at customers'

 premises for MLPPP with certain UK ISPs, but since BT started implementing
 21CN (ADSL2+) they are using ERX core routers (Juniper) and no longer
 support
 MLPPP.  I understand that MPLS is used instead these days, but have no
 experience in its implementation.
 --
 Regards,
 Mick




Re: [gentoo-user] IP Load Sharing - Per Packet Load Balancing (Linux router)

2013-05-26 Thread Nick Khamis
Sorry for the top post.

N.



RE: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel panick after time while compiling....

2013-05-26 Thread Zhu Sha Zang
Hey dude, some hints that should help you to discover why your system are
freezing.

First take a look in temperature of your system while compiling with watch
-n 1 sensors.

Some programs like atop and htop show me to be very useful too.

Take a look inside make.conf and see how much you are overpowering your
computer in MAKEOPTS option. Maybe you need raise down it.

Another observation, in case that you are using notebook it's about the flow
of the cold/hot air. 

Good luck.

-Original Message-
From: Nikos Chantziaras [mailto:rea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: domingo, 26 de maio de 2013 20:39
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel panick after time while compiling

On 27/05/13 02:15, Tamer Higazi wrote:
 Hi people!
 When I merge large or big packages like firefox, thunderbird or 
 chromium. The system hangsup with kernel panick and displays on the 
 screen reboot after 30 seconds.

 What could it be?!

Install sys-apps/memtest86+ make a bootloader entry for it and boot it. 
Sounds like a RAM problem and memtest will help you find out whether that's
the case.





Re: [gentoo-user] IP Load Sharing - Per Packet Load Balancing (Linux router)

2013-05-26 Thread Nick Khamis
By downstream, I mean within our own network. Obviously downstream LB
from the ISP's DSLAM would be impossible without MLPP, BGP support...

N



[gentoo-user] OT: RST vs RST/ACK

2013-05-26 Thread Adam Carter
I am familiar with an RST response to a SYN hitting a closed port, however,
I am also now seeing RST/ACKs. Is there any particular difference or it is
merely dependent on how the OS vendor decided to code their TCP/IP stack?

Google hits mention Windows 2008 a lot...


[gentoo-user] What does xgetdefault use flag do

2013-05-26 Thread Mr G
Am I correct that the xgetdefault use flag is needed for an application if
I want it to read Xresources and Xdefaults? Does it enable anything else? I
tried searching the forum and the web but there is too many false positive
hits to sort through. Most references to it are very old so is it a
deprecated feature? The definition for the use flag is a little cryptic or
maybe I'm a little too dumb.

OT: This is my first post to this list and just want to say hi. I've been
stalking the list for several months now and this is by far the most
interesting and useful list I've ever subscribed to.

-- 
B G


[gentoo-user] [OT] A free VPN server

2013-05-26 Thread walt
This company:

https://proxpn.com

sponsors my all-time-favorite podcast, which I heartily commend to you:

http://twit.tv/show/security-now
(the audio podcast is what I suggest, as the video adds very little)

Anyway, you can get a free account from proxpn.com by giving them a
working email address (no credit card or any other personal info).

Here is what I used to get it working on gentoo:

net-misc/networkmanager
net-misc/networkmanager-pptp

and I had to add these to my kernel config:

CONFIG_PPP
CONFIG_PPP_MPPE
CONFIG_PPP_ASYNC

The name of the server to give networkmanager is pptp.proxpn.com

I confess I have no idea how to do all of this without networkmanager,
but I'd like to hear from you networking nerds out there who know more
about this stuff than I do.