Re: [gentoo-user] Getting WiFi to work
On Saturday, 13 April 2024 15:49:27 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Friday, 12 April 2024 16:39:12 BST Michael wrote: > > On Friday, 12 April 2024 16:05:46 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > On Friday, 12 April 2024 14:35:02 BST Michael wrote: > > > > There are GUI front-ends for the above to suit various desktop and > > > > user > > > > preferences, some more polished than others. > > > > > > Hm. I haven't found one for iwd yet... > > > > There is net-wireless/iwgtk in portage. Other GUI applications exist > > (idwgui, dmenu-iwd-gui), plus the general GUI front ends of networkmanager > > and connman. > > Of course, I found iwgtk a minute after sending that last. Network Manager > is what I'm trying to avoid, mostly because it makes a mess of my existing > wired LAN with its static addresses. I may have to revisit that whole > setup. If you are using the netifrc script for your wired ethernet, you can add to your /etc/conf.d/net the wireless part and call upon wpa_supplicant or iwd to manage association and authentication with your AP. For a laptop, when using different APs, you can use wpa_supplicant or iwd with dhcpcd without using netifrc. Then use wpa_gui or iwgtk to select preferred APs and to enter your credentials. There are a number of combinations and permutations with the above tools to try out and see what suits. I have never used networkmanager unless it comes as the default software with a binary distro. Thankfully Gentoo offers a lot of choice and flexibility. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300
Wols Lists wrote: > On 13/04/2024 14:23, Dale wrote: >> I see lots of mobos with those little hard drives on a stick. I think >> they called NVME or something, may have spelling wrong. For most >> people, that is likely awesome. For me, I think I'd be happy with a >> regular SSD. Given that, I'd like them to make a mobo where one can say >> cut off/disable that NVME thing and make use of that "lane" as a PCIe >> slot(s). Even if that means having a cable that hooks to the mobo and >> runs elsewhere to connect PCIe cards. In other words, have one slot >> that is expandable to say three or four slots with what I think is >> called a back-plane. That way if a user wants to use the NVME thing, >> they can. If they don't, they can disable it and go another route with >> PCIe expansion. Sort of reminds me of that SAS drive thing. You have >> one cable that branches out into several SATA drives or SAS drives >> themselves. I don't know a lot about SAS really. May have to read up >> on that with that new case that holds 18 drives tho. O_o > > Read up on your mobo. > > Certainly on mine, that thing where you can use NVME *OR* OCIe *OR* > Sata is a thing on mine. > > There's a nice table in the mobo manual that tells you which combos > are supported. > > Cheers, > Wol > > That's good to know. I've looked at a few mobos but didn't see that in the list of features. I guess I need to dig deeper. Still, I need slots, either on the mobo or as a option to place elsewhere. My current mobo has all the PCIe slots in use. To add another drive controller to my current rig for example, I'd have to buy a new card that has more ports. Thanks for that info. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300
On 13/04/2024 14:23, Dale wrote: I see lots of mobos with those little hard drives on a stick. I think they called NVME or something, may have spelling wrong. For most people, that is likely awesome. For me, I think I'd be happy with a regular SSD. Given that, I'd like them to make a mobo where one can say cut off/disable that NVME thing and make use of that "lane" as a PCIe slot(s). Even if that means having a cable that hooks to the mobo and runs elsewhere to connect PCIe cards. In other words, have one slot that is expandable to say three or four slots with what I think is called a back-plane. That way if a user wants to use the NVME thing, they can. If they don't, they can disable it and go another route with PCIe expansion. Sort of reminds me of that SAS drive thing. You have one cable that branches out into several SATA drives or SAS drives themselves. I don't know a lot about SAS really. May have to read up on that with that new case that holds 18 drives tho. O_o Read up on your mobo. Certainly on mine, that thing where you can use NVME *OR* OCIe *OR* Sata is a thing on mine. There's a nice table in the mobo manual that tells you which combos are supported. Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting WiFi to work
On Friday, 12 April 2024 16:39:12 BST Michael wrote: > On Friday, 12 April 2024 16:05:46 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Friday, 12 April 2024 14:35:02 BST Michael wrote: > > > There are GUI front-ends for the above to suit various desktop and user > > > preferences, some more polished than others. > > > > Hm. I haven't found one for iwd yet... > > There is net-wireless/iwgtk in portage. Other GUI applications exist > (idwgui, dmenu-iwd-gui), plus the general GUI front ends of networkmanager > and connman. Of course, I found iwgtk a minute after sending that last. Network Manager is what I'm trying to avoid, mostly because it makes a mess of my existing wired LAN with its static addresses. I may have to revisit that whole setup. -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 8:20 AM Dale wrote: >> Right now, I have a three drive setup in a removable cage for the NAS >> box. > If you only need three drives I'm sure you can find cheap used > hardware that will handle that. Odds are it will use way less power > and perform better than whatever you're going to upgrade your system > to. I only run that thing about 1 to 2 hours a week, maybe a couple hours or so more when updating the OS once a month. It doesn't run much but the new systems are very cheap on power usage and they do a ton more work. I recently bought a new A/C for my room. A old A/C unit from a couple decades ago pulled about 12 to 13 amps. One I bought a few years ago, about 7 to maybe 8 on a really hot day, and LOo compiling on top of that. ;-) This new unit, dang thing pulls about 3 amps and still cools really good. All those are the same 12,000BTU rating. Same brand even. A lot of stuff is getting more efficient. To compensate for that, the power companies go up on the KW rate. O_O If I didn't have these old parts laying around that still work, I'd do like you're thinking. Still, you have a good point. It is old. >> I'm not familiar with Ceph but I've seen it mentioned before. > Do NOT deploy Ceph with three drives on one host. > > Ceph is what you think about using when you are tired of stacking HBAs > to cram a dozen SATA ports in a single host. It isn't what you'd use > for backup/etc storage. > > Honestly, if you're just looking for backup drives I'd consider USB3 > drives you just plug into a host and run in a zpool or whatever. > Export the filesystem and unplug the drives and you're done. That is > how I backup Ceph right now (k8s job that runs restic against ceph > dumping it on a zpool). > I like LVM myself. Right now, it serves my needs very well. I tried that NAS OS a while back but I ran into issues with it. I switched the box to Gentoo and LVM. When I get ready to swap drives or something, same commands as my main rig. Nothing new to learn or remember. And it works fine. Still gonna google and see what Ceph is. You've mentioned it before and I think someone else has too. Mostly, curious. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 8:11 AM Dale wrote: >> My biggest thing right now, finding a mobo with plenty of PCIe slots. >> They put all this new stuff, wifi and such, but remove things I do need, >> PCIe slots. > PCIe and memory capacity seem to have become the way the > server/workstation and consumer markets are segmented. > > AM5 gets you 28x v5 lanes. SP5 gets you 128x v5 lanes. The server > socket also has way more memory capacity, though I couldn't quickly > identify exactly how much more due to the ambiguous way in which DDR5 > memory channels are referenced all over the place. Suffice it to say > you can put several times as many DIMMs into a typical server > motherboard, especially if you have two CPUs on it (two CPUs likewise > increases the PCIe capacity). > > IT would be nice if there were switches out there that would let you > take a v5 PCIe slot on newer consumer hardware and break it out into a > bunch of v3/4 NVMe adapters (U.2, M.2, PCIe, whatever). > I see lots of mobos with those little hard drives on a stick. I think they called NVME or something, may have spelling wrong. For most people, that is likely awesome. For me, I think I'd be happy with a regular SSD. Given that, I'd like them to make a mobo where one can say cut off/disable that NVME thing and make use of that "lane" as a PCIe slot(s). Even if that means having a cable that hooks to the mobo and runs elsewhere to connect PCIe cards. In other words, have one slot that is expandable to say three or four slots with what I think is called a back-plane. That way if a user wants to use the NVME thing, they can. If they don't, they can disable it and go another route with PCIe expansion. Sort of reminds me of that SAS drive thing. You have one cable that branches out into several SATA drives or SAS drives themselves. I don't know a lot about SAS really. May have to read up on that with that new case that holds 18 drives tho. O_o I have considered getting a server type mobo and CPU for my new build. As you point out, they are packed with features I could likely use. Thing is, the price tag makes me faint and fall out of my chair. Even used ones that are a couple years old, in the floor I go. -_- I looked up a SP5 AMD CPU, pushing $800 just for the CPU on Ebay, used. The mobo isn't cheap either. I don't know if that would even serve my purpose. I may need something newer and even more expensive. I'd have to be able to put it in a regular case tho. No room for rack mount stuff. The biggest thing I need PCIe slots for, drive controllers. I thought about buying a SAS card and having it branch out into a LOT of drives. Still, I might need two cards even then. It's like looking at the cereal isle in a store. All those choices and most of them . . . . are corn. ROFL Dale :-) :-) P. S. To all: There was a news item recently about grub updates and reinstalling to the hard drive when updating. I just synced and there is a new grub update. Make sure to see if grub updates for you and if so, don't forget to reinstall to the hard drive. For old BIOS users, usually a grub-install /dev/sda will do. You EFI folks, you on your own. Gentoo wiki has the command. I've never had EFI stuff, yet. Hope this heads up helps someone.
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300
On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 8:20 AM Dale wrote: > > Right now, I have a three drive setup in a removable cage for the NAS > box. If you only need three drives I'm sure you can find cheap used hardware that will handle that. Odds are it will use way less power and perform better than whatever you're going to upgrade your system to. > I'm not familiar with Ceph but I've seen it mentioned before. Do NOT deploy Ceph with three drives on one host. Ceph is what you think about using when you are tired of stacking HBAs to cram a dozen SATA ports in a single host. It isn't what you'd use for backup/etc storage. Honestly, if you're just looking for backup drives I'd consider USB3 drives you just plug into a host and run in a zpool or whatever. Export the filesystem and unplug the drives and you're done. That is how I backup Ceph right now (k8s job that runs restic against ceph dumping it on a zpool). -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300
On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 8:11 AM Dale wrote: > > My biggest thing right now, finding a mobo with plenty of PCIe slots. > They put all this new stuff, wifi and such, but remove things I do need, > PCIe slots. PCIe and memory capacity seem to have become the way the server/workstation and consumer markets are segmented. AM5 gets you 28x v5 lanes. SP5 gets you 128x v5 lanes. The server socket also has way more memory capacity, though I couldn't quickly identify exactly how much more due to the ambiguous way in which DDR5 memory channels are referenced all over the place. Suffice it to say you can put several times as many DIMMs into a typical server motherboard, especially if you have two CPUs on it (two CPUs likewise increases the PCIe capacity). IT would be nice if there were switches out there that would let you take a v5 PCIe slot on newer consumer hardware and break it out into a bunch of v3/4 NVMe adapters (U.2, M.2, PCIe, whatever). -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 3:58 AM Dale wrote: >> Given the FX-6300 has a higher clocks speed, 3.8GHz versus 3.2GHz for >> the Phenom, I'd think the FX would be a upgrade, quite a good one at >> that. More L2 cache too. Both are 6 cores according to what I found. >> Anyone know something I don't that would make switching to the FX-6300 a >> bad idea? > The most obvious issue is that you're putting money into a very obsolete > system. > > Obviously hardware of this generation is fairly cheap, but it isn't > actually the best bang for the buck, ESPECIALLY when you factor in > power use. Like most AMD chips of that generation (well, most chips > in general when you get that old), that CPU uses quite a bit of power > at idle, and so that chip which might cost you $35 even at retail > might cost you double that amount per year just in electricity. > > If your goal is to go cheap you also need to consider alternatives. > You can get used hardware from various places, and most of it is 3-5 > years old. Even commodity hardware of that age is far more powerful > than a 15 year old CPU socket and often it starts at $100 or so - and > that is for a complete system. Often you can get stuff that is > ex-corporate that has a fair bit of RAM as well, since a lot of > companies need to deal with compatibility with office productivity > software that might be a little RAM hungry. RAM isn't cheap these > days, and they practically give it away when they dispose of old > hardware. > > The biggest issue you're going to have with NAS is finding something > with the desired number of drive bays, as a lot of used desktop > hardware is SFF (but also super-low-power, which is something > companies consider in their purchasing decisions when picking > something they're going to be buying thousands of). > > Right now most of my storage is on Ceph on SFF PCs. I do want to try > to get future expansion onto NVMe but even used systems that support > much of that are kinda expensive still (mostly servers since desktop > CPUs have so few PCIe lanes, and switches aren't that common). One of > my constraints using Ceph though is I need a lot of RAM, which is part > of why I'm going the SFF route - for $100 you can get one with 32GB of > RAM and 2-3 SATA ports, plus USB3 and an unused 4-16x PCIe slot. That > is a lot of RAM/IO compared to most options at that price point (ARM > in particular tends to lack both - not that it doesn't support it, but > rather nobody makes cheap ARM hardware with PCIe+DIMM slots). > Right now, I have a three drive setup in a removable cage for the NAS box. The drives sit in my safe except when I'm updating the backups. I update about once a week or so. It doesn't change as fast as it used too. If this main rig were to die, I'd use it as a temporary rig, then focus on building a new rig. The encryption is slow and makes the CPU work hard. You are right, it is throwing money at old hardware. It's just that I have this hardware laying around anyway. I have a old Dell that I've thought about using as a torrent box. I'm not sure it has enough memory for that tho. I think the Dell has the max of 4GBs of memory. Current NAS/backup box has 16GBs. Main rig has 32GBs and I give it a good workout when doing updates. I'm not familiar with Ceph but I've seen it mentioned before. I'll go google it. See what it is. I need a couple new drives to swap out anyway. LVM makes that pretty easy. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300
Michael wrote: > On Saturday, 13 April 2024 12:12:04 BST Dale wrote: >> Michael wrote: >>> On Saturday, 13 April 2024 08:58:50 BST Dale wrote: Howdy, As most likely know, I have a older box I use for backups. The hard drives are encrypted which likes the CPU to have AES support. The Phenom CPUs don't seam to support AES from what I've seen. The specs for the mobo says the mobo does support the FX-6300 CPU tho which has AES support. Since the biggest thing I use that system for is my backups, would it be better to have the FX-6300 CPU which supports AES or the Phenom 1090T? Mobo only shows it supports the FX-6300 and no other FX series CPU. Could be that it doesn't support anything else, could be the list hasn't been updated. I dunno. Given the FX-6300 has a higher clocks speed, 3.8GHz versus 3.2GHz for the Phenom, I'd think the FX would be a upgrade, quite a good one at that. More L2 cache too. Both are 6 cores according to what I found. Anyone know something I don't that would make switching to the FX-6300 a bad idea? https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GA-770T-USB3-rev-10/support#suppo rt-> cpu You may have to click on CPU support to see it. Sometimes it goes to it directly, sometimes not. :/ Thanks. Dale :-) :-) >>> I can't find where the link you provide mentions FX-6300, an AM3+ socket >>> CPU, being compatible with GA-770T-USB3-rev-10, an AM3 socket MoBo. The >>> FX-6300 would definitely be a noticeable upgrade (higher base and boost >>> frequency, plus AES crypto), assuming you can find a MoBo to fit it on. >>> You'll probably find the cost of buying just the CPU of unknown >>> provenance, which may well have been cooked with overclocking, will more >>> or less equal the cost of buying a suitable MoBo + CPU + RAM already >>> assembled. Or even a whole PC ready to run: >>> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/166707210724 >>> >>> You could get a better result if you start with a budget in mind and then >>> fish for the best performance combo you can bag with it. >> Your right. I misread that somehow. Good thing I asked. I could have >> ordered a CPU that won't fit. It's a FX-4130 I should be looking at. >> No idea where I got the FX-6300 from. As you point out, it's not listed >> on the specs page. Still, the FX-4130 shows a faster clock and other >> stuff I mentioned except it has 4 cores instead of 6. I got it right >> except for the model of the CPU. According to this page it supports AES >> for encryption as well. >> >> >> https://www.amd.com/en/support/cpu/amd-fx-series-processors/amd-fx-4-core-bl >> ack-edition-processors/fx-4130#! >> >> >> Now that I got the right model of CPU, still be a improvement? I'm >> mostly wanting to use this mobo I already have. I just wish the >> encryption was faster. The loss of two cores may slow it down a lot, >> despite having AES built in. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) > I think the FX-4130 should give a noticeable improvement on crypto and a > small > improvement on single thread processing (higher frequency and larger cache). > On the other hand it'll suffer on parallel tasks. > > TBH I'd rather spend the $10 or so for a used FX-4130 on a more modern MoBo > plus CPU, than throw good money after bad. I found a CPU for like $20 shipping and all but as you rightly and correctly point out, you don't know what that poor thing has been through. Overclocking, poor cooling and any number of other things. Most people don't build them like I do. I build a tank. Lots of fans, massive CPU cooler etc etc. I might get a perfectly good CPU that hasn't been abused at all, then again I might not. The 1090T in there now is one I bought used. I ran stress-ng on it and it never missed a beat. I think I'll stick with this for now. Once I build a new rig, whenever I can get back on track with that, this current rig will be used sort of like a NAS box and backup rig. It has AES support. It works fairly well. The encryption still slows the speed down some but that's the way it is. Dale :-) My biggest thing right now, finding a mobo with plenty of PCIe slots. They put all this new stuff, wifi and such, but remove things I do need, PCIe slots. First thing I'd do, disable wifi. I just don't need it. Only use wifi for my cell phone and printer. I got my CPU picked out, Ryzen 7900X. Memory will depend on the mobo mostly. I'll get back to it eventually. Maybe they will have what I need by then.
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300
On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 3:58 AM Dale wrote: > > Given the FX-6300 has a higher clocks speed, 3.8GHz versus 3.2GHz for > the Phenom, I'd think the FX would be a upgrade, quite a good one at > that. More L2 cache too. Both are 6 cores according to what I found. > Anyone know something I don't that would make switching to the FX-6300 a > bad idea? The most obvious issue is that you're putting money into a very obsolete system. Obviously hardware of this generation is fairly cheap, but it isn't actually the best bang for the buck, ESPECIALLY when you factor in power use. Like most AMD chips of that generation (well, most chips in general when you get that old), that CPU uses quite a bit of power at idle, and so that chip which might cost you $35 even at retail might cost you double that amount per year just in electricity. If your goal is to go cheap you also need to consider alternatives. You can get used hardware from various places, and most of it is 3-5 years old. Even commodity hardware of that age is far more powerful than a 15 year old CPU socket and often it starts at $100 or so - and that is for a complete system. Often you can get stuff that is ex-corporate that has a fair bit of RAM as well, since a lot of companies need to deal with compatibility with office productivity software that might be a little RAM hungry. RAM isn't cheap these days, and they practically give it away when they dispose of old hardware. The biggest issue you're going to have with NAS is finding something with the desired number of drive bays, as a lot of used desktop hardware is SFF (but also super-low-power, which is something companies consider in their purchasing decisions when picking something they're going to be buying thousands of). Right now most of my storage is on Ceph on SFF PCs. I do want to try to get future expansion onto NVMe but even used systems that support much of that are kinda expensive still (mostly servers since desktop CPUs have so few PCIe lanes, and switches aren't that common). One of my constraints using Ceph though is I need a lot of RAM, which is part of why I'm going the SFF route - for $100 you can get one with 32GB of RAM and 2-3 SATA ports, plus USB3 and an unused 4-16x PCIe slot. That is a lot of RAM/IO compared to most options at that price point (ARM in particular tends to lack both - not that it doesn't support it, but rather nobody makes cheap ARM hardware with PCIe+DIMM slots). -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300
On Saturday, 13 April 2024 12:12:04 BST Dale wrote: > Michael wrote: > > On Saturday, 13 April 2024 08:58:50 BST Dale wrote: > >> Howdy, > >> > >> As most likely know, I have a older box I use for backups. The hard > >> drives are encrypted which likes the CPU to have AES support. The > >> Phenom CPUs don't seam to support AES from what I've seen. The specs > >> for the mobo says the mobo does support the FX-6300 CPU tho which has > >> AES support. Since the biggest thing I use that system for is my > >> backups, would it be better to have the FX-6300 CPU which supports AES > >> or the Phenom 1090T? Mobo only shows it supports the FX-6300 and no > >> other FX series CPU. Could be that it doesn't support anything else, > >> could be the list hasn't been updated. I dunno. > >> > >> Given the FX-6300 has a higher clocks speed, 3.8GHz versus 3.2GHz for > >> the Phenom, I'd think the FX would be a upgrade, quite a good one at > >> that. More L2 cache too. Both are 6 cores according to what I found. > >> Anyone know something I don't that would make switching to the FX-6300 a > >> bad idea? > >> > >> https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GA-770T-USB3-rev-10/support#suppo > >> rt-> cpu > >> > >> You may have to click on CPU support to see it. Sometimes it goes to it > >> directly, sometimes not. :/ > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Dale > >> > >> :-) :-) > > > > I can't find where the link you provide mentions FX-6300, an AM3+ socket > > CPU, being compatible with GA-770T-USB3-rev-10, an AM3 socket MoBo. The > > FX-6300 would definitely be a noticeable upgrade (higher base and boost > > frequency, plus AES crypto), assuming you can find a MoBo to fit it on. > > You'll probably find the cost of buying just the CPU of unknown > > provenance, which may well have been cooked with overclocking, will more > > or less equal the cost of buying a suitable MoBo + CPU + RAM already > > assembled. Or even a whole PC ready to run: > > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/166707210724 > > > > You could get a better result if you start with a budget in mind and then > > fish for the best performance combo you can bag with it. > > Your right. I misread that somehow. Good thing I asked. I could have > ordered a CPU that won't fit. It's a FX-4130 I should be looking at. > No idea where I got the FX-6300 from. As you point out, it's not listed > on the specs page. Still, the FX-4130 shows a faster clock and other > stuff I mentioned except it has 4 cores instead of 6. I got it right > except for the model of the CPU. According to this page it supports AES > for encryption as well. > > > https://www.amd.com/en/support/cpu/amd-fx-series-processors/amd-fx-4-core-bl > ack-edition-processors/fx-4130#! > > > Now that I got the right model of CPU, still be a improvement? I'm > mostly wanting to use this mobo I already have. I just wish the > encryption was faster. The loss of two cores may slow it down a lot, > despite having AES built in. > > Dale > > :-) :-) I think the FX-4130 should give a noticeable improvement on crypto and a small improvement on single thread processing (higher frequency and larger cache). On the other hand it'll suffer on parallel tasks. TBH I'd rather spend the $10 or so for a used FX-4130 on a more modern MoBo plus CPU, than throw good money after bad. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300
Michael wrote: > On Saturday, 13 April 2024 08:58:50 BST Dale wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> As most likely know, I have a older box I use for backups. The hard >> drives are encrypted which likes the CPU to have AES support. The >> Phenom CPUs don't seam to support AES from what I've seen. The specs >> for the mobo says the mobo does support the FX-6300 CPU tho which has >> AES support. Since the biggest thing I use that system for is my >> backups, would it be better to have the FX-6300 CPU which supports AES >> or the Phenom 1090T? Mobo only shows it supports the FX-6300 and no >> other FX series CPU. Could be that it doesn't support anything else, >> could be the list hasn't been updated. I dunno. >> >> Given the FX-6300 has a higher clocks speed, 3.8GHz versus 3.2GHz for >> the Phenom, I'd think the FX would be a upgrade, quite a good one at >> that. More L2 cache too. Both are 6 cores according to what I found. >> Anyone know something I don't that would make switching to the FX-6300 a >> bad idea? >> >> https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GA-770T-USB3-rev-10/support#support-> >> cpu >> >> You may have to click on CPU support to see it. Sometimes it goes to it >> directly, sometimes not. :/ >> >> Thanks. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) > I can't find where the link you provide mentions FX-6300, an AM3+ socket CPU, > being compatible with GA-770T-USB3-rev-10, an AM3 socket MoBo. The FX-6300 > would definitely be a noticeable upgrade (higher base and boost frequency, > plus AES crypto), assuming you can find a MoBo to fit it on. You'll probably > find the cost of buying just the CPU of unknown provenance, which may well > have been cooked with overclocking, will more or less equal the cost of > buying > a suitable MoBo + CPU + RAM already assembled. Or even a whole PC ready to > run: > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/166707210724 > > You could get a better result if you start with a budget in mind and then > fish > for the best performance combo you can bag with it. Your right. I misread that somehow. Good thing I asked. I could have ordered a CPU that won't fit. It's a FX-4130 I should be looking at. No idea where I got the FX-6300 from. As you point out, it's not listed on the specs page. Still, the FX-4130 shows a faster clock and other stuff I mentioned except it has 4 cores instead of 6. I got it right except for the model of the CPU. According to this page it supports AES for encryption as well. https://www.amd.com/en/support/cpu/amd-fx-series-processors/amd-fx-4-core-black-edition-processors/fx-4130#! Now that I got the right model of CPU, still be a improvement? I'm mostly wanting to use this mobo I already have. I just wish the encryption was faster. The loss of two cores may slow it down a lot, despite having AES built in. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300
On Saturday, 13 April 2024 08:58:50 BST Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > As most likely know, I have a older box I use for backups. The hard > drives are encrypted which likes the CPU to have AES support. The > Phenom CPUs don't seam to support AES from what I've seen. The specs > for the mobo says the mobo does support the FX-6300 CPU tho which has > AES support. Since the biggest thing I use that system for is my > backups, would it be better to have the FX-6300 CPU which supports AES > or the Phenom 1090T? Mobo only shows it supports the FX-6300 and no > other FX series CPU. Could be that it doesn't support anything else, > could be the list hasn't been updated. I dunno. > > Given the FX-6300 has a higher clocks speed, 3.8GHz versus 3.2GHz for > the Phenom, I'd think the FX would be a upgrade, quite a good one at > that. More L2 cache too. Both are 6 cores according to what I found. > Anyone know something I don't that would make switching to the FX-6300 a > bad idea? > > https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GA-770T-USB3-rev-10/support#support-> > cpu > > You may have to click on CPU support to see it. Sometimes it goes to it > directly, sometimes not. :/ > > Thanks. > > Dale > > :-) :-) I can't find where the link you provide mentions FX-6300, an AM3+ socket CPU, being compatible with GA-770T-USB3-rev-10, an AM3 socket MoBo. The FX-6300 would definitely be a noticeable upgrade (higher base and boost frequency, plus AES crypto), assuming you can find a MoBo to fit it on. You'll probably find the cost of buying just the CPU of unknown provenance, which may well have been cooked with overclocking, will more or less equal the cost of buying a suitable MoBo + CPU + RAM already assembled. Or even a whole PC ready to run: https://www.ebay.com/itm/166707210724 You could get a better result if you start with a budget in mind and then fish for the best performance combo you can bag with it. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300
Howdy, As most likely know, I have a older box I use for backups. The hard drives are encrypted which likes the CPU to have AES support. The Phenom CPUs don't seam to support AES from what I've seen. The specs for the mobo says the mobo does support the FX-6300 CPU tho which has AES support. Since the biggest thing I use that system for is my backups, would it be better to have the FX-6300 CPU which supports AES or the Phenom 1090T? Mobo only shows it supports the FX-6300 and no other FX series CPU. Could be that it doesn't support anything else, could be the list hasn't been updated. I dunno. Given the FX-6300 has a higher clocks speed, 3.8GHz versus 3.2GHz for the Phenom, I'd think the FX would be a upgrade, quite a good one at that. More L2 cache too. Both are 6 cores according to what I found. Anyone know something I don't that would make switching to the FX-6300 a bad idea? https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GA-770T-USB3-rev-10/support#support-cpu You may have to click on CPU support to see it. Sometimes it goes to it directly, sometimes not. :/ Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
