[gentoo-user] Re: HIJACKING THREADS
Hal Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stroller wrote: On 10 Jun 2008, at 21:55, Thomas Pedersen wrote: Was thinking of buying the Western Digital' My Book® Home Edition™, specially because of the eSATA connection... I heard they have an internal USB-hub for making the capacity gauge working. I'm sorry, but I fail to see why the above example mentioned qualifies as Thread Hijacking. Allright. Then just check the headers. :) He started a new thread to pose his question, and, No, he did not. Check the headers of his mail/post. You'll find: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please don't hijack threads like this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/msg/8a540add45e7e9b8? It is irritating for people using thread-aware e-mail clients... In case you didn't know, it happens when you use reply for sending a new question instead of composing a new message. Exactly. He *did* compose a new message, Yes. In a reply to some other message. That's what people usually call Thread Hijacking. there is no Re: in the header True. That's not enough, though. and no other content in the message. Doesn't matter. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: back up gentoo system
· Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 10 May 2008 08:07:25 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: At least I wouldn't store everything in the same directory. It would of course be a good idea to seperate things. sigh When did I ever mention using a single directory to mix up all backups? Never. And when did I say something like that? All I did was answer a question with an example of when different OSes may need to share a backup medium Correct. However you said, that you need to access it (Linux backup directories) from Windows too. And that's the main point and the point that hasn't been answered yet: Why do you think, that such a need exists? On the contrary, I think that such a need absolutely does not exist and should be very much avoided. Reasons: - DOS Filesystems (fat, ntfs) don't allow to store all the metadata you find on Linux. - Linux filesystems (ext*, reiser, ...) don't allow to store all the metadata you find on Windows. - Sharing backup space means, that it get's used more often. This makes the risk larger, that something bad happens. And last, but not least: Why should backup directories be shared in the first place? And why do you make such a fuss about such a natural thing? There's just no reason in sharing such a device/filesystem/storage endpoint between different operating systems. Where did I state that a storage endpoint should be shared? [EMAIL PROTECTED], Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:09:30 +0100 Michael Schmarck -- One advantage of talking to yourself is that you know at least somebody's listening. -- Franklin P. Jones -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: back up gentoo system
· Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 12 May 2008 15:07:06 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: And last, but not least: Why should backup directories be shared in the first place? They shouldn't, and I never stated that they should. You stated that there might be such a need. In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:09:30 +0100 you wrote: | Because you need to access it from Windows too? That was a response to my question: | Why not put ext* or reiserfs or whatever on such a drive? I then asked, why you think that such a need might exist. That question hasn't been answered by you up to now. Later on, I asked: | But more interesting: Why should they even be able to backup to the | same drive (or better: to the same filesystem)? That question also hasn't been answered yet. It seems you don't want to answer that question. Why's that? Michael Schmarck -- hoponpop my program works if i take out the bugs. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: back up gentoo system
Hello Sandro. · Sandro Hannemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Correct. However you said, that you need to access it (Linux backup directories) from Windows too. And that's the main point and the point that hasn't been answered yet: Why do you think, that such a need exists? Suppose, you've got a project on which you work on both Windows and Linux machines (and maybe even a Mac...) Okay. Such a project needs backups and it is very convenient and logic too, to be able to restore (or access) it from Linux and Windows likewise. Depends if that's very logic too. Are we talking about backing up something like a My Pictures folder, or are we talking about system backups? Why should this be such a strange idea? Because you usually don't mix-and-match backups. A backup should be a storage of how the system was at a certain point in time. Michael Schmarck -- Knghtbrd Trust us, we know what we're doing... We may have no idea HOW we're doing it, but we know WHAT we're doing. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: back up gentoo system
· Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:38:51 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: No. Not to a drive used for backups of Linux machines. Why? Different OS. So. We can use the same web pages, read the same email, why not share hardware? Because it doesn't make sense, to share the same filesystem for backing up Windows and Linux? Why should the same filesystem be used to hold backups for Windows and Linux? What's the point in making things more dangerous than they need to be? My partner has to use Windows for work, are you saying we are not allowed to share a backup device? It just doesn't make sense. So if I have a Linux box, a Windows box and a Mac and want to backup to an external drive, you say I must buy three drives when one will do? I did not say that. I said: | But more interesting: Why should they even be able to backup to the | same drive (or better: to the same filesystem)? And that's more to the point: Why backup to the same filesystem? It's a simple matter of keeping different things seperated. What's the point in mixing up backups of Linux and Windows? Should I buy a fourth drive for my Palm Treo? Yes, I also think that what you're saying is rather stupid. Do I need separate rsync.net accounts too? At least I wouldn't store everything in the same directory. It would of course be a good idea to seperate things. A backup device is just a storage appliance, if should not be parochial about the origin of the data it stores. But because there are different requirements (features of the filesystems), what you're saying is not correct. And why do you make such a fuss about such a natural thing? There's just no reason in sharing such a device/filesystem/storage endpoint between different operating systems. Michael Schmarck -- What was the worst thing you've ever done? I won't tell you that, but I'll tell you the worst thing that ever happened to me... the most dreadful thing. -- Peter Straub, Ghost Story -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 08 May 2008 09:55:50 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: To a backup device? Why? Don't Windows users need to backup? No. Not to a drive used for backups of Linux machines. Why? Different OS. You could equally be saying that Linux users don't need to backup to a drive used for Windows machines. Yes, I would say so. But more interesting: Why should they even be able to backup to the same drive (or better: to the same filesystem)? My partner has to use Windows for work, are you saying we are not allowed to share a backup device? It just doesn't make sense. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: back up gentoo system
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, sharing storage space makes a lot of sense. No, it does not· Not for such important and specialized things as backups. For general usage: Yes, it makes a whole lot of sense. But we're not talking general usage here. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 07 May 2008 17:16:01 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: Why not put ext* or reiserfs or whatever on such a drive? Because you need to access it from Windows too? To a backup device? Why? Don't Windows users need to backup? No. Not to a drive used for backups of Linux machines. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: tar a brand new Gentoo install to a USB drive for safe keeping?
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 06 May 2008 14:40:08 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: That hasn't been needed for a long time. Tar is able to detect bzip2 and gzip compression and handle it automatically. That's only true for GNU tar. If you're also dealing with other systems where you might not have GNU tar, you might be surprised to find that tar xvf file.tgz doesn't work. However, this thread is specifically about using tar on /Gentoo, which does use GNU tar. Well, nonetheless I think that it's a bad idea to get too used to GNUisms. Especially, if there are so easy workarounds. Hence I think, that it is a good idea to keep on using z or j. That really depends on the level of portability your scripts need. Using z or j is more portable, but also more complex for scripting. That's rather a question of how complex the environment is, that the script needs to deal with. If you really want to throw all different sort of things at your script (like .tar.gz, .tar.Z, .tar.bz2, .tar.lzma), then yes, the script would get more complex. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: back up gentoo system
David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was thinking on making regular backup of my gentoo partition. I'm not interested in incremental backups, just a mirror image of the root filesystem. I've prepared some scripts using dd for the first copy and rsync to keep it updated. How do you make your backups? I wouldn't do DD images. Too inflexible. I do backups using rsnapshot, which basically just makes a copy with rsync of all the files on all the filesystems. Any improvements?. Dump dd. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: back up gentoo system
David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 06 May 2008 23:54:08 Andrew MacKenzie wrote: If you're using 'dd' does that mean you're copying the entire filesystem and not just the files? I believe that can run you into some issues if the FS isn't read-only... What kind of issues? If the fs is mounted read/write, it can very easily happen, that the filesystem isn't consistent; ie. you start to read from the source and when you get to the end, stuff has changed. If you really must use dd (why?), I would *VERY* much urge to use LVM snapshots. But in reality, I'd rather use rsync to keep the two discs in sync. The idea is to copy the whole filesystem to another disk and keep it sync. And in case of crisis use dd from the backup to the original disk. And why dd? What do you think you gain by using dd, compared to the more traditional way of copying just all the files (be it with tar, be it with rsync or even with plain cp)? Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: back up gentoo system
Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is nothing wrong with tar. In fact tar is great for this job. dd not. Depends. If you backup to tape, like you do, then the Tape Archiver commonly called tar is the tool to use. But if a backup to disk is done, tar is still a good tool for the job, but IMO not the best tool available. Instead I'd suggest to use rsync. Reason: It's easier to restore just a single file. It's of course possible to restore single files from tar-balls as well, but it's more complicated. Especially, if you're using incrementals. I'm not saying that's impossible, but just, that it's harder than with rsync. Best regards, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: back up gentoo system
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 7 May 2008 09:57:02 +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: rsync is good, but has its own disadvantages, notably the lack of compression and the reliance on the destination filesystem to preserve permissions. Can you elaborate more on the latter, please? What exactly is rsync relying on and which fs wouldn't meet the requirements. FAT on an external drive, Why not put ext* or reiserfs or whatever on such a drive? or some of the online backup systems. That's really a problem, yes. But I was talking about backup-to-disk. While it might be, that you can mount some of the online backup systems as a fs, it mustn't be so. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 07 May 2008 16:41:17 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: Can you elaborate more on the latter, please? What exactly is rsync relying on and which fs wouldn't meet the requirements. FAT on an external drive, Why not put ext* or reiserfs or whatever on such a drive? Because you need to access it from Windows too? To a backup device? Why? Well. Strange use case, but i suppose that even such a case might exist in reality. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: tar a brand new Gentoo install to a USB drive for safe keeping?
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 5 May 2008 00:04:44 -0400, Ian Graeme Hilt wrote: tar xvfp SYSTEM.tar.bz2 To extract bzip2 files with tar, you need to add the j option. That hasn't been needed for a long time. Tar is able to detect bzip2 and gzip compression and handle it automatically. That's only true for GNU tar. If you're also dealing with other systems where you might not have GNU tar, you might be surprised to find that tar xvf file.tgz doesn't work. Hence I think, that it is a good idea to keep on using z or j. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Question re: UUID
· Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have noticed in some distros (namely Ubuntu) that the fstab uses UUID's rather than /dev references. Is this a better way? Does it eliminate the problem of /dev references changing when another drive, i.e., an external USB drive, is plugged in? The /dev references may change but the UUID's in fstab wouldn't, would they? Correct. UUIDs are universally unique (as the name already suggests *g*) and thus, there cannot be a clash. Michael Schmarck -- Every journalist has a novel in him, which is an excellent place for it. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Question re: UUID
· Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Montag, den 21.04.2008, 16:37 +0200 schrieb Anthony E. Caudel: I have noticed in some distros (namely Ubuntu) that the fstab uses UUID's rather than /dev references. Is this a better way? Yes. Does it eliminate the problem of /dev references changing when another drive, i.e., an external USB drive, is plugged in? Yes. The /dev references may change but the UUID's in fstab wouldn't, would they? Correct. The other possible way would be to give your devices unique names, either via udev or by using LVM. Advantage over UUIDs: much easier to read. Disadvantage: Not guaranteed to be unique. It could, theoretically at least, happen that there are two devices with the same names. The same disadvantage exists, if you use filesystem labels. Advantage of fs labels: No need for another layer like LVM. Michael Schmarck -- i dont even know if it makes sense at all :) This is an experimental patch for an experimental kernel :)) -- Ingo Molnar on linux-kernel -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Versioning scheme (was: baselayout-2.0.0 surprises)
Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, need for a rev bump. If one person has a problem and another person does not have the problem, it is helpfull to be able to determine the exact version of the packet installed. Not bumping revs makes that harder. Exactly. There should be a way to specify what version of a package someone is using. Maybe something like a sub-rev. And changed sub-rev's should not cause automatic upgrade. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] [OT] Top-post with full quote (was: you have cruft in /proc remove it)
maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First: Don't top post! Big whoop! The two posts are tiny -- it's easy to see at a glance which is the original and which the reply. And since your post was so tiny, you really should have trimmed what you quoted. This could easily mean, that all the original text is removed. The way you did it, was simply no good. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: baselayout-2.0.0 surprises
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I would upgrade your extremely stupid opinion to something more like Ravenous Bluggbatter Beast of Traal level stupidity. Yup, it really is that bad and the flood of user support questions from this is going to be quite long. While I agree that this might not have been the most clever idea they ever had, I would like to point your nose to http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-apps/baselayout/baselayout-2.0.0.ebuild?r1=1.2r2=1.3 What I'm trying to say is, that the number of user support questions probably won't be that long. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: baselayout-2.0.0 surprises
· Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:23:18 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Because you didn't read the elog messages. it is still not ok to remove /etc/conf.d/net. That is extremly stupid. It would be, but it wasn't removed on any of the three machines I upgraded. Armin has at least one machine and I've got 2 were this happened and there are reports in the forum discussion thread reg. disappearance of /etc/conf.d/net (or rather, that it was replaced with a basically blank default file). So, I think, that your system is a bit odd. Michael Schmarck -- Turn on, tune up, rock out. -- Billy Gibbons -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Daft colours in knode
Peter Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just installed knode to see how Usenet has changed since I first used it 15 years ago, and I'm astonished to find that the default colours include white text on a white background for read threads and articles. That's not the default. The default is a bright grey (on a white background or whatever you have - background isn't set in Knode). Who on Earth wants these things to disappear when read? I'm fine with the default. I don't care that much about read threads. I actually like, that the default for unread threads/articles is black. This way, they stand out more, which I really like, as it draws attention to unread threads/articles first. Example: http://michael-schmarck.share.s3.amazonaws.com/glgu/KNode-Colours.png What goes on in the mind of a typical developer these days? No clue, but here something good was going on in the mind of the Knode guys. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: ssh-add: Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.
Eric Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Schmarck wrote: Hello. Since this morning, I find that I can no longer add SSH keys to the ssh key agent. I'm using Gnome 2.22, so I think seahorse would be used instead. [...] Is ssh-agent running? What does No, it's not. Gnome's seahorse offers that functionality. env | grep SSH ought to show a bunch of ssh-agent stuff. Nothing interesting. :( --($:/dev/shm)-- env | grep SSH SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-L12w0n/ssh SSH_ASKPASS=/usr/bin/gtk2-ssh-askpass Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: ssh-add: Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.
Eric Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of course I ran eix seahorse *after* hitting reply. Teaches me not to reply to a message 30 seconds after getting out of bed. Ok, now onto helpful stuff... does /tmp/keyring-L12w0n/ssh exist? Yes. HOWEVER: --($:~)-- sudo lsof | grep -i tmp/keyring lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/mike/.gvfs Output information may be incomplete. gnome-key 8073 mike 3u unix 0xe2fd51c0 16680 /tmp/keyring-TEj1nP/socket gnome-key 8073 mike 13u unix 0xe2e8ee00 16783 /tmp/keyring-TEj1nP/socket That's strange - there's nothing listening on /tmp/keyring-L12w0n and for sure not on the ssh named pipe in that directroy. Does any other sort of ssh-agent / seahorse stuff exist in /tmp? Yes. --($:~)-- ls -la /tmp/keyring-* /tmp/seahorse-BnTrHX/ /tmp/keyring-L12w0n: insgesamt 41 drwx-- 2 mike users 1024 16. Apr 07:14 . drwxrwxrwt 20 root root 39936 16. Apr 15:50 .. srwxr-xr-x 1 mike users 0 16. Apr 07:14 socket srwxr-xr-x 1 mike users 0 16. Apr 07:14 socket.pkcs11 srwxr-xr-x 1 mike users 0 16. Apr 07:14 ssh /tmp/keyring-TEj1nP: insgesamt 41 drwx-- 2 mike users 1024 16. Apr 07:18 . drwxrwxrwt 20 root root 39936 16. Apr 15:50 .. srwxr-xr-x 1 mike users 0 16. Apr 07:18 socket /tmp/seahorse-BnTrHX/: insgesamt 41 drwx-- 2 mike users 1024 16. Apr 07:14 . drwxrwxrwt 20 root root 39936 16. Apr 15:50 .. srw--- 1 mike users 0 16. Apr 07:14 S.gpg-agent When running ssh-agent, I get a pipe called /tmp/ssh-[a-zA-Z0-9]/agent.$pid. After that I'm out of ideas. So there are two that are out of ideas. It seems there are two strange things: - ssh agent env.var is pointing to the wrong directory. - nothings reading from the ssh pipe in the wrong directory. Strange, isn't it? BTW: The lsof command I ran was correct, wasn't it? I'd expect that it would've shown a command which had /tmp/keyring/L12w0n/ssh open. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: ssh-add: Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.
Hello. · Eric Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok, so looking at your original post, gvfs, gnome-vfs, and seahorse were upgraded. Yes. I'm not much of a gnome guy but I do know that apps do all sorts of strange stuff if I upgrade deps and don't restart them (forget). When's the last time you restarted gnome / your box? This morning. Yesterday, I upgraded stuff and then shut down my machine. This morning I booted the machine. I know it's not the the NIX way to reboot when you can't fix it (as it usually doesn't fix the problem) but I'm running out of ideas You're right - didn't fix it :) It seems to me, as if some daemon or whatnot is not started. It would be interesting for me, if any other Gnome users have this problem as well. If not, it would be interesting to see what daemons you've got running. The lsof output would be very interesting! Michael Schmarck -- The light at the end of the tunnel may be an oncoming dragon. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Circular dependencies when USE=gnome and emerging world
') depends on
('ebuild', '/', 'dev-libs/glib-2.16.3', 'merge') (hard)
!!! Note that circular dependencies can often be avoided by temporarily
!!! disabling USE flags that trigger optional dependencies.
winnb000488 etc # emerge --info
Portage 2.1.5_rc4 (default/linux/x86/2008.0/desktop, gcc-4.2.3, glibc-2.7-r2,
2.6.24-tuxonice-r5.r08.mit-ide-mod_2 i686)
=
System uname: 2.6.24-tuxonice-r5.r08.mit-ide-mod_2 i686 Genuine Intel(R) CPU
T2400 @ 1.83GHz
Timestamp of tree: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:45:01 +
app-shells/bash: 3.2_p33
dev-lang/python: 2.4.4-r6, 2.5.1-r5
dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r6
sys-apps/baselayout: 2.0.0
sys-apps/openrc: 0.2.2
sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.18.1-r2
sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.62
sys-devel/automake: 1.5, 1.10.1
sys-devel/binutils: 2.18-r1
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.0-r4
sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.26
virtual/os-headers: 2.6.24
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 ~x86
CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-march=pentium-m -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config
/usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/share/config
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/env.d /etc/gconf /etc/gentoo-release /etc/terminfo
/etc/udev/rules.d
CXXFLAGS=-march=pentium-m -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
DISTDIR=/Gentoo/Portage/distfiles
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--alphabetical
FEATURES=buildpkg ccache collision-protect distlocks metadata-transfer
parallel-fetch sandbox sfperms strict unmerge-orphans userfetch
GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/gentoo/
http://ftp.gentoo.or.kr/http://distfiles.gentoo.org/
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo
LANG=de_CH.UTF-8
LDFLAGS=
LINGUAS=de
MAKEOPTS=-j3
PKGDIR=/Gentoo/Portage/packages
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS=--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress
--force --whole-file --delete --stats --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles
--exclude=/local --exclude=/packages
PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/Gentoo/Portage/build
PORTDIR=/Gentoo/Portage/tree
PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/Gentoo/Portage/local-tree/misc
SYNC=rsync://winds06:10873/gentoo-portage
USE=X acl acpi alsa avahi bash-completion berkdb bluetooth branding bzip2
cairo cdr cli cracklib crypt cups dbus dmi doc dri dvd dvdr dvdread encode fam
firefox fortran gdbm gif gnutls gpm gstreamer gtk hal iconv isdnlog jpeg kde
kdeenablefinal kdehiddenvisibility keyring ldap libnotify mad midi mmx mp3 mpeg
mudflap ncurses nls nptl nptlonly ogg opengl pam pcmcia pcre pdf perl png ppds
pppd python qt3 qt3support qt4 quicktime readline reflection sdl session spell
spl sse sse2 ssl startup-notification svg tcpd tiff truetype unicode vorbis
wifi win32codecs x86 xattr xine xinerama xml xorg xv zlib
ALSA_CARDS=hda-intel intel8x0 intel8x0m usb-audio usb-usx3y
ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS=adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug file
hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mulaw multi null plug rate route
share shm softvol APACHE2_MODULES=actions alias auth_basic auth_digest
authn_anon authn_dbd authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default
authz_groupfil
e authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache dav dav_fs dav_lock dbd
deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers ident
imagemap include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation
proxy proxy_ajp proxy_balancer proxy_connect proxy_http rewrite setenvif so
speling status unique_id userdir usertrack vhost_alias APACHE2_MPMS=worker
CAMERAS=ptp2 directory ELIBC=glibc INPUT_DEVICES=keyboard mouse synaptics
KERNEL=linux LCD_DEVICES=bayrad cfontz cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001
mtxorb ncurses text LINGUAS=de USERLAND=GNU VIDEO_CARDS=nv nvidia vga
none
Unset: CPPFLAGS, CTARGET, INSTALL_MASK, LC_ALL, PORTAGE_COMPRESS,
PORTAGE_COMPRESS_FLAGS, PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS
Michael Schmarck
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[gentoo-user] Re: Circular dependencies when USE=gnome and emerging world
Justin Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On AD 2008 April 16 Wednesday 09:28:48 PM +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: Hello. I'm installing a new machine and use 2008.0_beta1 i686 stage3. I use the 2008.0/desktop profile. When I do emerge -DuvatN world, I get an error to the effect, that there are circular dependencies. Please see below. I'd like to know, if anyone else ran into this problem and how it got solved. At the end of the message, you'll also find emerge --info. Thanks a lot! winnb000488 etc # USE=gnome emerge -DuvptN world I'd try the merge world without setting USE=gnome first, and then later enable it by putting gnome in your /etc/make.conf USE setting. gnome is in the desktop profile of 2008.0. If you want to be more clever about it/save some time, you can try to figure out the problematic packages *THAT* was the point of my question :) I hoped that somebody else already ran into this issue and solved ;) and just temporarily disable gnome on them via /etc/portage/package.mask/, You mean package.use, don't you? Best regards, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] ssh-add: Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.
Hello. Since this morning, I find that I can no longer add SSH keys to the ssh key agent. I'm using Gnome 2.22, so I think seahorse would be used instead. --($:~)-- ssh-add Could not open a connection to your authentication agent. No good :( Per man ssh-add(1): The authentication agent must be running and the SSH_AUTH_SOCK environ‐ ment variable must contain the name of its socket for ssh-add to work. --($:~)-- echo $SSH_AUTH_SOCK /tmp/keyring-L12w0n/ssh --($:~)-- ps awux | grep keyri mike 8073 0.0 0.2 16216 2632 ?SL 07:18 0:00 /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --foreground --components=keyring --($:~)-- ps awux | grep seah mike 6631 0.0 1.8 36876 16776 ?Ss 07:14 0:00 /usr/bin/seahorse-agent --execute gnome-session Since the last boot, I updated the following packages: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 800 14. Apr 07:59 /var/db/pkg/sys-apps/portage-2.1.5_rc3 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 752 14. Apr 08:00 /var/db/pkg/media-libs/libpng-1.2.26-r1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 800 14. Apr 08:00 /var/db/pkg/sys-apps/pciutils-3.0.0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 720 14. Apr 08:00 /var/db/pkg/net-wireless/bluez-libs-3.30 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 720 14. Apr 08:01 /var/db/pkg/app-portage/eix-0.12.4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 08:02 /var/db/pkg/app-editors/jedit-4.3_pre13 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 800 14. Apr 08:03 /var/db/pkg/x11-libs/cairo-1.6.4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 744 14. Apr 08:04 /var/db/pkg/sys-devel/autoconf-2.62 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 800 14. Apr 08:09 /var/db/pkg/sys-apps/coreutils-6.10-r2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 760 14. Apr 08:10 /var/db/pkg/sys-apps/debianutils-2.28.4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 08:11 /var/db/pkg/net-misc/neon-0.28.2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 848 14. Apr 08:52 /var/db/pkg/sys-kernel/tuxonice-sources-2.6.24-r5 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 08:56 /var/db/pkg/dev-ruby/rubygems-1.1.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 744 14. Apr 08:57 /var/db/pkg/x11-misc/x11vnc-0.9.3 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 09:28 /var/db/pkg/dev-python/pyopenssl-0.6-r1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 784 14. Apr 09:28 /var/db/pkg/net-zope/zopeinterface-3.0.1-r1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 752 14. Apr 09:28 /var/db/pkg/dev-python/twisted-2.5.0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 728 14. Apr 09:28 /var/db/pkg/dev-python/twisted-web-0.7.0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 09:30 /var/db/pkg/net-dns/avahi-0.6.22-r1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 784 14. Apr 09:35 /var/db/pkg/net-misc/nxclient-3.2.0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 824 14. Apr 09:37 /var/db/pkg/net-misc/openssh-5.0_p1-r1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 784 14. Apr 09:44 /var/db/pkg/media-gfx/imagemagick-6.4.0.6 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 09:47 /var/db/pkg/dev-libs/glib-2.16.3 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 09:48 /var/db/pkg/x11-libs/pango-1.20.2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 09:56 /var/db/pkg/x11-libs/gtk+-2.12.9-r2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 09:57 /var/db/pkg/gnome-base/gail-1.22.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 09:58 /var/db/pkg/x11-libs/libwnck-2.22.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 760 14. Apr 09:58 /var/db/pkg/gnome-base/gnome-menus-2.22.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 10:05 /var/db/pkg/dev-cpp/gtkmm-2.12.7 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 752 14. Apr 10:05 /var/db/pkg/dev-cpp/gconfmm-2.22.0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 752 14. Apr 10:07 /var/db/pkg/dev-cpp/libgnomemm-2.22.0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 10:08 /var/db/pkg/gnome-base/gvfs-0.2.3 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 10:10 /var/db/pkg/media-libs/swfdec-0.6.4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 784 14. Apr 10:10 /var/db/pkg/x11-libs/gtksourceview-2.2.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 816 14. Apr 11:13 /var/db/pkg/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-169.12 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 744 14. Apr 11:14 /var/db/pkg/app-arch/rpm-4.4.6-r4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 11:14 /var/db/pkg/media-sound/alsa-utils-1.0.16 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 752 14. Apr 11:14 /var/db/pkg/net-wireless/ipw3945-1.2.2-r1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 808 14. Apr 11:16 /var/db/pkg/dev-util/subversion-1.4.6-r2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 792 14. Apr 11:28 /var/db/pkg/net-www/netscape-flash-9.0.124.0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 760 14. Apr 11:29 /var/db/pkg/x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.14.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 760 14. Apr 11:29 /var/db/pkg/gnome-extra/swfdec-gnome-2.22.2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 752 14. Apr 11:30 /var/db/pkg/gnome-extra/gcalctool-5.22.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 752 14. Apr 11:30 /var/db/pkg/net-misc/vinagre-0.5.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 11:35 /var/db/pkg/gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.22.0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 11:36 /var/db/pkg/gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.22.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 760 14. Apr 11:37 /var/db/pkg/gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.22.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 11:39 /var/db/pkg/gnome-base/nautilus-2.22.2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 760 14. Apr 11:40 /var/db/pkg/dev-libs/libgweather-2.22.1.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 776 14. Apr 11:45 /var/db/pkg/www-client/epiphany-2.22.1.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 784 14. Apr 11:48 /var/db/pkg/gnome-base/control-center-2.22.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 800 14. Apr 11:51
[gentoo-user] Re: Garbage in /tmp or /var/tmp
Steven Lembark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Sonntag, 13. April 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:38:31 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote: Due to disk space restrictions I've decided to make /tmp a symlink to /var/tmp instead of reserving space for both. Why not use tmpfs for /tmp? It usually requires very little space, and will use swap if memory is tight. I second that, tmpfs for /tmp is great: tmpfs 512M 12K 512M 1% /tmp Catch: You loose it all on reboot. That's no catch. /tmp is meant to be empty upon reboot. No application should assume that things survive a reboot in /tmp - you use /var/tmp for temporary stuff, which is meant to be available after a reboot. Since things like vi keep their in-work backups there, What? I've got .blah.swp files all over the place. But not in /tmp. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:51:29 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: In prose: I have kde-i18n-3.5.8 installed. In tree, there's an update available (kde-i18n-3.5.9). Why was that updatedable package not picked up, when I ran emerge -DuvatN world? I also tried emerge -Duvat world - same effect. Is kde-i18n in your world file? No, it's not. If emerge --depclean -p suggests removing it, it's not. Add it with emerge -n kde-i18n. Hm - why should I want to add kde-i18n to the world file? I ran emerge -D (--deep). From man emerge: --deep (-D) This flag forces emerge to consider the entire dependency tree of packages, instead of checking only the immediate dependencies of the packages. As an example, this catches updates in libraries that are not directly listed in the dependencies of a package. Also see --with-bdeps for behavior with respect to build time dependencies that are not strictly required. kde-i18n got installed as a dependency of some KDE package. Hmm... I suppose I got it, because I used to have kde-meta installed. And that package got lost, somehow. And as it's no longer installed, there's nothing installed on my system which has kde-i18n as a dependency. And it's not in the world file. As that's so, emerge lost track of this package, so to say. Does that sound like a correct summary? Connected question: How do I quickly find all the packages that got installed as a dependency, but which are no longer needed, because the dependent package got removed (as an example, I'd like to find kde-i18n, because that used to be a dependency of kde-meta and kde-meta is no longer installed). Thanks, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:39:11 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: emerge --depclean thanks. 200 some packages, which would be removed. Quite a lot. If you've removed kde-meta, I'm not surprised. It's not (mainly) kde packages that show up there. It's: app-admin/logrotate app-admin/php-toolkit app-admin/webapp-config app-arch/mt-st app-arch/rpm app-arch/sharutils app-crypt/hashalot app-crypt/mhash app-crypt/qca app-crypt/qca-tls app-crypt/shash app-doc/chmlib app-mobilephone/gnokii app-mobilephone/obex-data-server app-office/karbon app-office/kchart app-office/kexi app-office/kformula app-office/kivio app-office/koffice-data app-office/koffice-libs app-office/koshell app-office/kplato app-office/kpresenter app-office/krita app-office/kspread app-office/kugar app-office/kword app-pda/libopensync app-portage/eclass-manpages app-portage/porthole app-shells/zsh app-text/enscript app-text/hunspell app-text/libwpd app-text/linuxdoc-tools app-text/psutils app-text/rcs app-text/recode app-text/wv2 dev-cpp/commoncpp2 dev-cpp/libebt dev-cpp/libsexymm dev-cpp/libwrapiter dev-cpp/libxmlpp dev-db/qdbm dev-java/ant-junit dev-java/ant-owanttask dev-java/ant-trax dev-java/asm dev-java/bsh dev-java/hamcrest-core dev-java/jakarta-regexp dev-java/jarjar dev-java/java-getopt dev-java/junit dev-java/libreadline-java dev-java/qdox dev-java/tagsoup dev-lang/php dev-libs/beecrypt dev-libs/glib dev-libs/gmime dev-libs/icu dev-libs/libical dev-libs/libmcrypt dev-libs/libol dev-libs/lzo dev-libs/mpfr dev-libs/pcre++ dev-libs/xalan-c dev-libs/xerces-c dev-perl/Algorithm-Diff dev-perl/Archive-Zip dev-perl/Crypt-OpenSSL-Bignum dev-perl/Crypt-OpenSSL-Random dev-perl/Crypt-SmbHash dev-perl/Devel-Symdump dev-perl/Digest-HMAC dev-perl/Digest-MD4 dev-perl/Digest-SHA1 dev-perl/Error dev-perl/File-Which dev-perl/Geography-Countries dev-perl/Mail-DomainKeys dev-perl/Net-DNS dev-perl/Net-IP dev-perl/Pod-Coverage dev-perl/Pod-Escapes dev-perl/Pod-Simple dev-perl/TermReadKey dev-perl/Test-Pod dev-perl/Test-Pod-Coverage dev-perl/perl-tk dev-python/epydoc dev-python/pycrypto dev-python/pysqlite dev-python/pyxml dev-python/rhpl dev-python/sqlitecachec dev-python/urlgrabber dev-python/wxpython dev-util/cvs dev-util/gob dev-util/monodoc dev-util/yacc gnome-extra/gnome-keyring-manager gnome-extra/gnome-vfs-obexftp gnome-extra/libgda kde-base/kde-i18n mail-client/mailx-support media-gfx/icon-slicer media-gfx/nvidia-cg-toolkit media-libs/faad2 media-libs/gle media-libs/gstreamer media-libs/ilmbase media-libs/jbigkit media-libs/libfame media-libs/libgpod media-libs/libmp4v2 media-libs/libmpeg3 media-libs/libquicktime media-libs/libsamplerate media-libs/libsndfile media-libs/libsvg media-libs/libwmf media-libs/moodriver media-libs/mutagen media-libs/netpbm media-libs/openexr media-libs/pdflib media-libs/speex media-libs/t1lib media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa media-plugins/gst-plugins-esd media-plugins/gst-plugins-flac media-plugins/gst-plugins-theora media-sound/normalize media-sound/sox media-video/mjpegtools media-video/mpeg2vidcodec media-video/transcode media-video/vcdimager net-analyzer/net-snmp net-analyzer/netselect net-analyzer/sussen net-libs/libesmtp net-libs/liblockfile net-libs/libotr net-libs/librsync net-libs/libvncserver net-libs/ortp net-misc/bridge-utils net-misc/netkit-talk net-print/foomatic-db net-print/foomatic-db-engine net-wireless/gnome-bluetooth net-wireless/libbtctl net-wireless/wireless-tools perl-core/DB_File perl-core/File-Spec perl-core/Time-HiRes perl-core/digest-base sci-libs/cln sci-visualization/gnuplot sys-apps/acl sys-apps/hotplug-base sys-apps/iproute2 sys-apps/parted sys-apps/pcmcia-cs sys-apps/rescan-scsi-bus sys-apps/sdparm sys-apps/setserial sys-apps/sg3_utils sys-apps/yum sys-devel/automake sys-devel/bin86 sys-devel/dev86 sys-devel/gcc sys-fs/fuse-python sys-fs/multipath-tools sys-kernel/tuxonice-sources sys-libs/db sys-libs/libuser sys-libs/pwdb sys-libs/system-config-base sys-power/iasl virtual/c++-tr1-functional virtual/c++-tr1-memory virtual/c++-tr1-type-traits virtual/httpd-cgi virtual/pcmcia virtual/perl-DB_File virtual/perl-File-Spec virtual/perl-PodParser virtual/perl-digest-base x11-apps/appres x11-apps/setxkbmap x11-apps/xrandr x11-apps/xset x11-apps/xwininfo x11-drivers/xf86-video-v4l x11-libs/fltk x11-libs/goffice x11-libs/gtk+ x11-libs/gtkglarea x11-libs/libXfontcache x11-libs/libast x11-libs/libdmx x11-libs/libsvg-cairo x11-libs/openmotif x11-libs/xforms x11-misc/read-edid x11-proto/dmxproto x11-terms/eterm x11-themes/gtk-engines-qt After removing stuff, a revdep-rebuild should be done, shouldn't it? It won't hurt, although I rarely bother. I usually do emerge -uavDN world. Noted. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:30:11 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: I think I removed kde-meta, because it installs too much stuff, that I don't need (like kppp). It would be nice, if the kde-meta ebuild would be more like the gst-plugins-meta package, in that it sould allow the user to specify what he wants to get installed and what not. It shouldn't be an all or nothing approach, IMO. But that's exactly what it's for merge this to pull in all non-developer, split kde-base/* packages. Not all -meta packages behave like that - eg. the gst-plugins-meta package only pulls in, what's wanted (per USE flags). If you want to pick and choose, emerge the packages you want, there's no need to add extra USE flags and another layer of complexity when the current system handles both all-in-one and selective installs just fine. Well, I disagree. I want to install almost all of the KDE stuff, but eg. not the PPP things, as I've got not use for that on that system. But I still would like my world file *NOT* to be cluttered with a gazillion of kde packages. The current system absolutely does not handle that just fine. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other option is to use the kde*meta ebuilds, which do directly depend on the sub-ordinate packages. This is what I do and I don't get the effect you observed. Thanks. I think I removed kde-meta, because it installs too much stuff, that I don't need (like kppp). It would be nice, if the kde-meta ebuild would be more like the gst-plugins-meta package, in that it sould allow the user to specify what he wants to get installed and what not. It shouldn't be an all or nothing approach, IMO. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Hello. Maybe someone can explain this: $ sudo emerge -DuvatN world These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating world dependencies... done! Total: 0 packages, Size of downloads: 0 kB Nothing to merge; would you like to auto-clean packages? [Yes/No] $ emerge -vpt kde-i18n These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild U ] kde-base/kde-i18n-3.5.9 [3.5.8] USE=-arts -debug kdeenablefinal xinerama LINGUAS=-af -ar -az -bg -bn -br -bs -ca -cs -csb -cy -da de -el -en_GB -eo -es -et -eu -fa -fi -fr -fy -ga -gl -he -hi -hr -hu -is -it -ja -kk -km -ko -lt -lv -mk -mn -ms -nb -nds -nl -nn -pa -pl -pt -pt_BR -ro -ru -rw -se -sk -sl -sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -ss -sv -ta -te -tg -th -tr -uk -uz -vi -wa -zh_CN -zh_TW 20,860 kB Total: 1 package (1 upgrade), Size of downloads: 20,860 kB In prose: I have kde-i18n-3.5.8 installed. In tree, there's an update available (kde-i18n-3.5.9). Why was that updatedable package not picked up, when I ran emerge -DuvatN world? I also tried emerge -Duvat world - same effect. How do I make emerge update all the installed packages, if there's an update available? Thanks, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Well, I disagree. I want to install almost all of the KDE stuff, but eg. not the PPP things, as I've got not use for that on that system. But I still would like my world file *NOT* to be cluttered with a gazillion of kde packages. The current system absolutely does not handle that just fine. Hmmm, well that's mostly just too bad. Yes, it is, isn't it? The devs built the ebuilds to work the way the work because that's the sanest approach when your universe is all the users that there are. Maybe not. But the portage tree builds are never going to do what you are asking. Which majorly sucks, as there are good reasons why the packages should NOT be the way they are right now. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Connected question: How do I quickly find all the packages that got installed as a dependency, but which are no longer needed, because the dependent package got removed (as an example, I'd like to find kde-i18n, because that used to be a dependency of kde-meta and kde-meta is no longer installed). emerge --depclean thanks. 200 some packages, which would be removed. Quite a lot. After removing stuff, a revdep-rebuild should be done, shouldn't it? Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Anthony Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Schmarck wrote: Hello. snip How do I make emerge update all the installed packages, if there's an update available? Thanks, Michael Hi, First question, was it installed directly, or as a dependency for something else? I'm pretty sure, it was a dependency. (/var/lib/portage/world) If it is a dependency, is the package that depends on it, shown in the world file? I think it was a dependency of kde-meta. kde-meta is no longer installed. If the answer to the second question above is no then try adding it into the world file, then emerge -DuvatN world again. Yes. Thanks a lot! Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
KH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe he does have multiple versions installed of those packages. What For gcc: Yes. It's about time to dump gcc-3.4.6. is the output of for example: emerge -avP gcc ? $ emerge -avP gcc superuser access is required... adding --pretend to options. Calculating dependencies... done! sys-devel/gcc-4.2.3 pulled in by: dev-lang/mono-1.2.6-r2 dev-libs/elfutils-0.131-r1 sys-libs/glibc-2.7-r2 sys-libs/libstdc++-v3-3.3.6 system virtual/c++-tr1-functional-0 virtual/c++-tr1-memory-0 virtual/c++-tr1-type-traits-0 These are the packages that would be unmerged: sys-devel/gcc selected: 3.4.6-r2 protected: none omitted: 4.2.3 'Selected' packages are slated for removal. 'Protected' and 'omitted' packages will not be removed. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Hello. Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:39:11 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: emerge --depclean thanks. 200 some packages, which would be removed. Quite a lot. If you've removed kde-meta, I'm not surprised. It's not (mainly) kde packages that show up there. It's: I'm surprised these show up from --depclean: app-admin/logrotate app-arch/sharutils app-crypt/hashalot app-crypt/mhash app-text/psutils dev-libs/glib dev-libs/lzo dev-libs/pcre++ dev-util/yacc Well - that's the way it is :) After last week's entertainment, why are these not in your world? Why should they be in world? I prefer to only have in world, what I really want. For example, I don't think that gst-plugins-alsa belongs into world, if I have gst-plugins-meta installed. [...] media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa media-plugins/gst-plugins-esd media-plugins/gst-plugins-flac media-plugins/gst-plugins-theora That's interesting - why did those packages show up? media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa is a dependency of media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta, and -meta is in world: $ grep meta /var/lib/portage/world dev-java/metadata-extractor media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta x11-themes/metacity-themes Strange. Ah! Multiple versions again. gst-plugins-alsa was there in versions 0.8.12 and 0.10.17. Hmm, more stuff that should be in world if you want it. net-wireless/wireless-tools sys-apps/acl sys-apps/iproute2 sys-devel/automake sys-devel/bin86 sys-devel/dev86 Ouch!! What did you do to this box that this one shows up? gcc is not in world, it's in system, and the only way to get it out of there is to edit the profile I haven't edited profile. --($:~/Desktop)-- emerge --info Portage 2.1.5_rc2 (default-linux/x86/2007.0/desktop, gcc-4.2.3, glibc-2.7-r2, 2.6.24-tuxonice-r3.r08.mit-ide-mod_2 i686) = [...] sys-devel/gcc I think you need to fix your world before before doing any --depclean steps. Seems like :) Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Maybe he does have multiple versions installed of those packages. What For gcc: Yes. It's about time to dump gcc-3.4.6. Yes, I see now. --depclean is removing old SLOTS and the original output is either very unverbose, or has been trimmed to list only categories I posted the output of: emerge --depclean -p | grep -v : | sort | uniq So, yes, it's very unverbose. The verbose output is, well, too verbose, if you've got some 200 packages :) Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:20:21 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: Which majorly sucks, as there are good reasons why the packages should NOT be the way they are right now. Such as? Finer control, without cluttering the world file. Hint: uncluttering the world file is not a reason for changing the ebuilds, Why not? Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:36:45 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: Which majorly sucks, as there are good reasons why the packages should NOT be the way they are right now. Such as? Finer control, without cluttering the world file. What could be finer than picking which packages you want to install. The KDE meta packages are for people who don't want fine control. It really depends on, from what side you're coming. If you want just a few packages, then all is well with the current approach. If you, however, want everything but a few packages, then the current approach isn't so fine anymore. I do understand that there's a reason why it is the way it is, but this does not mean, that I have to like it, does it? Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:27:59 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote:
It really depends on, from what side you're coming. If you want
just a few packages, then all is well with the current approach.
If you, however, want everything but a few packages, then the
current approach isn't so fine anymore.
Do as previously suggested and use individual meta packages instead of
the all-encompassing kde-meta,
I think, I'm doing that. And in doing that, I came to the point,
that nothing depends on kde-i18n.
I did a
find /usr/portage -name *ebuild -exec grep kde-i18n {} +
and found, that only the kde-meta package depends on kde-i18n.
Michael
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[gentoo-user] Re: Master - Slave MySQL Database Server
Kaushal Shriyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi is this a correct documentation * http://howtoforge.com/mysql_master_master_replication* for Master Slave Replication and is there a test case to test this setup I'd advise to ask this question on the general mysql mailing list again; see http://lists.mysql.com/mysql. You'll more than likely get better responses from those guys, then you can get from here, for the simple reason, that the chance of finding mysql users is higher on a mysql list :) Regards, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:51:28 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: But nonetheless, there's still the risk that the KILL has destroyed the application database (sort of - more correctly: that the application and its database was in a non consistent state when it received the signal). Yes, but in that case the application has already failed, otherwise it would have shut down on TERM. Maybe it would have recoverd in due time. The chances are pretty slim, but they are 0. Emergency shutdowns aren't about eliminating any problems in the case of a serious system hang, they are about minimising such damage. Absolutely correct! But Liviu asked, if there's a potential risk to the system. My answer is: Yes, there is! It is pretty low (for the reasons you mentioned), but it is not 0. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?
Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any potential harms to the hardware / system in case one tends to abuse (i.e. use more often than necessary) of this command? You're not shutting down the system in a clean way. Because of this, filesystem and/or applications might get corrupt (eg. think of a database, which was in the middle of writing to some of its tables). It's so often so tempting to shut down your system fast. Yeah, it sure is :) Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?
Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 2. April 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: You're not shutting down the system in a clean way. You're not? I thought that's the purpose of the whole thing? It's more like pulling the plug, isn't it? At least none of the shutdown scripts is run. And if you don't run ALT + SysRq + U, or if it just doesn't work (like hangs at some (remote) fs), filesystems aren't even unmounted and thus dirty and thus need a fsck run on next boot. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?
· Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Mittwoch, 2. April 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 2. April 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: You're not shutting down the system in a clean way. You're not? I thought that's the purpose of the whole thing? It's more like pulling the plug, isn't it? At least none of the shutdown scripts is run. And if you don't run ALT + SysRq + U, or if it just doesn't work (like hangs at some (remote) fs), But nobody proposed _not_ to run ALT + SysRq + U, True, but if things come to worse, you've got to do a ALT+SysRq+B or +O, even before +U completely returned. As said, it can happen, that U(nmount) doesn't work - and then you'd need to shutdown anyway. Neil even proposed ALT + SysRq + EISUB, to be sure everything is killed, sync'd and unmounted. Which might or might not work. But note that I was also talking about applications being in a corrupted state (the database example). filesystems aren't even unmounted and thus dirty and thus need a fsck run on next boot. XFS to the rescue :-) Yep. Well, to be honest, I haven't had a fs die on me, because of a Alt+SysRq+B. Michael Schmarck -- Inspiration without perspiration is usually sterile. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:40:37 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: Neil even proposed ALT + SysRq + EISUB, to be sure everything is killed, sync'd and unmounted. Which might or might not work. But note that I was also talking about applications being in a corrupted state (the database example). E sends a SIGTERM to all applications. Any well behaved application should shut down cleanly on this. No doubt :) But if the app hangs, it might not respond to TERM. I sends a SIGKILL, but it only affects programs that were so locked up they ignored E, so you have nothing to lose by then. Correct. But nonetheless, there's still the risk that the KILL has destroyed the application database (sort of - more correctly: that the application and its database was in a non consistent state when it received the signal). Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Windows terminal to allow ssh into my Gentoo machine?
· Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED]: access to my Gentoo server. Does anyone here know of one? I don't need anything more than a terminal that supports ssh so that I can do emerge work. I'd be most comfortable with a single, simple, all-in-one app if possible. PuTTY - that's basically *THE* terminal app for windows. It offers telnet, rsh, ssh, rlogin and also sftp and scp. Michael Schmarck -- Remember the... the... uhh. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:39:09 + (UTC), Michael Schmarck wrote: You have a problem to which you do not know the solution, so how are you supposed to know what is important and what is not? As it seems, I knew what was not important. Just have a look at the real root cause of the problem. Isn't hindsight wonderful? You now know what is relevant to the solution of a problem you did not understand at the time. That's one way to view this. Another way to view this, would be that I had good knowledge of the problem and only posted what really was needed. Of course, none of this really matters as people will be hesitant to offer any advice in future, no matter how complete your post, because you have demonstrated a complete lack of civility and respect for those that you expect to help you. Oh, that's wrong. Alan very much demonstrated that he did not want to help. Why else would he have posted his snide comment? And if you look carefully, you'll see that I even treated him respectfully, when he tried to be helpful. Care to point out where I showed a complete lack of civilty? And care to point out the civilty in what Alan posted in his (maybe unintended) flamebait? This has nothing to do with Alan, Oh, no? It wasn't Alan who started this flame sub-thread? I guess I must be reading a different thread then. Just to make that clear - I'm *NOT* talking about the subthread titled Gnome: No sound - No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. (who, incidentally, has demonstrated his knowledge and willingness to help many times over) No argument there. So you think that this is an excuse for something? ad everything to do with your attitude. My attitude? Well, maybe. But I rather think it has everything to do with Alan, who made a bad comment. It (maybe) was my mistake to respond to the troll. Let's not confuse things here, please. It was NOT me who started the fight. If Alan would not have posted what's in [EMAIL PROTECTED], there would be no argument at all. Reg. my attitude: You're saying that it's no good from me, when I treat people respectfully, just like I treated Alan in the other half of the thread? I should not have done this? Guess I've got to learn something here - I'll try to change that in the future. So you found his post unhelpful, You disagree? You think that he was helpful with his KDE comment? well get over it. I am. Either ignore the post That's a bit late now, isn't it? or respond by expressing your views without insult. You have done yourself no favours. -- Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently
darren kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoth the Michael Schmarck: My attitude? Well, maybe. But I rather think it has everything to do with Alan, who made a bad comment. Have you not noticed that you are the _only_ person upset by Alan's post? Yes, I have. Why don't you think about that for a bit I did. Result: Noone else cared, because it was a direct response to one of my posts. It was NOT me who started the fight. It most certainly was. Oh, yeah? Remember, it wasn't me who started the fight. It was started by Alan, who posted the KDE comment. to respond instead of ignoring it as you should of. Now intead of one useless message to this thread we have 30. Good work buddy! Not my fault. Blame the one who started all that. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 31 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 Mar 2008, at 06:47, Michael Schmarck wrote: ... In your world, an aggressor is doing nothing wrong? Do I understand that right? ... Get real. When you're describing someone who has annoyed you on the Internet as an aggressor it probably means you need to take a break for a while How else would you describe Alan in his first post in the thread? Troll? Would that fit better? Hello, people! Calm down, will you? No problem. But if people provoke a reaction, I've got to defend myself and my position. Michael, if you scan past posts by Alan, you will find out that he is full of jokes - good ones and some not so good. He is neither aan Here he certainly made one of the not so good ones. aggressor, nor a troll. Just full of - sometimes weird - humour. Agreed. He was pulling your leg; that's different from trolling. Yes, it is. But here you're saying it as well. *HE* was doing something, which provoked some sort of reaction. Maybe my reaction was not what he wanted go get (that's what he's saying at least and it's also what I believe to be true). But, you know, if he wouldn't have done what he did, we wouldn't have this mess. To a certain degree, this mess may also be my fault, but it's absolutely not only my fault. Alan is at least as guilty as I am. You're right though - aggressor and/or troll aren't the right words. Couldn't and still can't think of better ones though. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 31 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: So you found his post unhelpful, You disagree? You think that he was helpful with his KDE comment? I would be very surprised if he thought it was helpful. It wasn't written to be helpful. It was written to provoke a giggle, or perhaps nothing at all. You for sure provoked /something/, didn't you? :) Your reaction was completely unexpected though and quite funny. Glad to hear that. You are getting so uptight about this, and appear so offended by it all, and so Actually I'm not at all offended by it. If people just wouldn't bother about this issue anymore, I'd be happy. sure of your own rightness, Well. Yes. I posted a harmless question with the needed amount of details. And I responded in an appropriate way to your post in this subthread. I certainly do think, that it's not just my fault. To a degree, it is, yes. But not completely. and so utterly unable to respond to a single one of my posts where I say clearly what I intended, that you have set yourself up for a right royal piss-take. So here goes: Michael, I know this dude who's selling senses of humour at rock bottom bargain prices, you interested? Where's that guy located? If it's not too far away, I might stop by and see what he's got to offer in detail. on second thoughts, /me wonders if I might not be in Michael's killfile by now... Why should you? You've shown that you can be helpful, and just because of one (unintended, as you said) flame bait, you haven't yet earned a position in my killfile. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:34:38 + (UTC), Michael Schmarck wrote: You were not supposed to post such a comment in the first place. Who dictates that? I don't know. Ask Alan, as he tries to dictate which post are allowed and which not. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:39:07 + (UTC), Michael Schmarck wrote: I don't. I disagree with his most important point: It's no good to post as much information as possible. Instead, the amount of information posted should be condensed to only the important pieces. You have a problem to which you do not know the solution, so how are you supposed to know what is important and what is not? As it seems, I knew what was not important. Just have a look at the real root cause of the problem. Of course, none of this really matters as people will be hesitant to offer any advice in future, no matter how complete your post, because you have demonstrated a complete lack of civility and respect for those that you expect to help you. Oh, that's wrong. Alan very much demonstrated that he did not want to help. Why else would he have posted his snide comment? And if you look carefully, you'll see that I even treated him respectfully, when he tried to be helpful. Care to point out where I showed a complete lack of civilty? And care to point out the civilty in what Alan posted in his (maybe unintended) flamebait? Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 Mar 2008, at 06:47, Michael Schmarck wrote: ... In your world, an aggressor is doing nothing wrong? Do I understand that right? ... Get real. When you're describing someone who has annoyed you on the Internet as an aggressor it probably means you need to take a break for a while How else would you describe Alan in his first post in the thread? Troll? Would that fit better? Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Hal Martin hal.martin at gmail.com writes: Michael Schmarck wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com wrote: Now, onto your actual problem. It is exceptionally hard to even attempt to provide a solution unless someone else fixed the exact same problem before, as you have not provided any configuration at all and very little useful information. What would you have wanted to see? I wrote that sound works. You don't need more information. Hence your post was as much noise as mine was. That's why other people, or at least Andrey, was able to help, where as you were just a moron. Not to dig up this unpleasantness again, but there are some things I'd like to point out for future reference (for all people, including me, who will post questions with hopes of getting useful answers.) Nonetheless I shall try, so please provide the following: How nice from you, now that the problem has been solved. Yes, I'm aware that this particular problem has been solved, however I'd still like to highlight a few things about it. 1. the output of lspci as it relates to audio so we can see what hardware you have Why should that matter? After all, sound playback works (in other programs). It doesn't matter, but it's information people care about. Fine. Do you also care about the size of my shoes? It's a german 46 - and yes, I *do* think, that it is just as important. :) It helps us to do our voodoo stuff and get back to you with an answer (it's quantity over quality at this point of the answering stage.) 2. What engine does rhythmbox use? gstreamer? If so, do other gstreamer apps work correctly on your box? That was the million dollar question. Great, and now you've noticed that Totem, another GStreamer program, isn't outputting sound. Therefore, instead of just blowing off the previous poster, you could actually include that information. You mean Alan? He hasn't been helpful at all. I don't see, why such people should not be blown off. First he tried to be funny with his snide KDE remark. Then he wrote non-helpful (and as it turned out: wrong) comments about some non-existant circular dependencies. And he also failed to correctly read the gst-plugins-meta ebuild. No, he was not helpful at all. 3. With what options did you compile rhythmbox and gstreamer (if applicable)? Does not matter. Actually, it does. No, it does not. It doesn't have any USE flags that would matter there. Anyway, it's been compiled with these flags: [ebuild R ] media-sound/rhythmbox-0.11.2-r1 USE=-daap dbus -debug -doc -flac hal -ipod -keyring libnotify -lirc mad -musicbrainz python tagwriting vorbis 3,454 kB No, there's no important information. As I said, rb was able to play the file. There just wasn't any sound. Contrary to your belief that programs have the ability to read your mind Just don't assume that I'm doing that, just because you're so naive. and compile with all the flags they need to function in every foreseeable way, real world applications need flags. Oh, really? Tell news! But you know what, rb doesn't need any additional flags. And you already knew that. Posting them with your question allows for the quantity of answers to go down, while the quality of the remaining ones to improve greatly. Knowing from the beginning that you compiled GStreamer with -oss but not alsa would've helped greatly. What? I have alsa set. And -oss. But this information was not necessary, because the problem was caused by the bug that rb used to depend on gst-plugins-base and that -base used to have alsa/oss/what-not use flags. That's no longer the case. Instead applications now need to depend on gst-plugins-meta - and that's the case with rhythmbox of Gnome 2.22. 4. Lastly, this is out on left field, please confirm that rhythmbox is indeed using alsa and not oss Question 2 covers that. No, it doesn't. Yes, it does. You just deferred your answer instead of actually confirming that the rhythmbox *engine* used either ALSA or OSS. Because it doesn't matter. rb uses gst. gst may use either engine. No engine was installed. Reason: Missing dependencies (but that's rectified in rhythmbox 2.22, per what Marduk wrote). Michael Not trying to start a flame war between anywhere here, but I'm just trying to make a point. Posting information, no matter how useless it may seem to you, helps us help you. For example, No, that's not good. Only relevant information should be posted. It's no good to flood people (or supporters) with unrelated and not important information. Instead, it's good to only send important information. Again, not trying to restart any disagreements previously stemming from this topic, I'm just trying to establish a clear method for reporting problems so that we cut out all the guess work on the part
[gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Stroller stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: Hi there, I, too, thought about saying something like this at the time. I'm glad you have done so and I agree with all your points. I don't. I disagree with his most important point: It's no good to post as much information as possible. Instead, the amount of information posted should be condensed to only the important pieces. Michael: Alan's reply was harmless. You're not entitled to pick on him unless you posted correctly in the first place. So, I *am* entitled. Thanks! You're asking for help - provide as much information as possible and please don't antagonise people (especially because they may be able to help you!). Now, please go back and read Alans first post in the thread. It absolutely did not sound, as if he even wanted to help. If you want help then it's YOUR responsibility to provide as much information as possible. Well, no, not as possible, but rather as required. And that's been done. Help people to help you, and make it easy for them to do so. Yes. That's been done. Once more: The problem was, because rhythmbox of Gnome 2.20 is missing an (indirect) dependency on gst-plugins-alsa. That's fixed in 2.22. I, too, know what it's like to receive a reply to one of my questions which I find to be unhelpful and aggravating. However, two wrongs don't make a right and no-one benefits from an angry response. Oh, so it's now my fault for responding to a flamebait? Nice. It's not the aggressor who's doing something wrong? Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: On Saturday 29 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: I, too, know what it's like to receive a reply to one of my questions which I find to be unhelpful and aggravating. However, two wrongs don't make a right and no-one benefits from an angry response. Oh, so it's now my fault for responding to a flamebait? Nice. It's not the aggressor who's doing something wrong? I started this, so I guess I have the right to make the following request: Can we drop this sub-thread now, please? Michael, I don't see how you could read my original post as flamebait. You don't see, how your KDE comment can be seen as a flamebait? Well, too bad. You were not supposed to respond, You were not supposed to post such a comment in the first place. I did not intend you to take offence and it was a harmless joke. If it was indeed supposed to be a joke, then it was a very bad one, especially as it was not visibile as a joke. You have an answer and a solution that appears to suit you. Not just me. As it turned out, the problem I had was due to a bug in the Gentoo rhythmbox-2.20 package. It lacked proper dependencies. That is fixed in 2.22. Everything is fine. That's a good point to end this at. Yes. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Stroller stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: On 29 Mar 2008, at 20:39, Michael Schmarck wrote: Stroller stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: I, too, thought about saying something like this at the time. I'm glad you have done so and I agree with all your points. I don't. I disagree with his most important point... Yes, but you're demonstrating yourself to be a clueless idiot. And why's that? As shown, the problems were due to the way the rhythmbox (or totem) package was built. I'm now an idiot because I've been biten by such a bug? And in how far am I clueless? Just because you see things differently then I do? Alan's reply was harmless. You're not entitled to pick on him unless you posted correctly in the first place. So, I *am* entitled. Thanks! No, you're not. But you said, that I am. Could you please stop changing your mind? You're asking for help - provide as much information as possible and please don't antagonise people (especially because they may be able to help you!). Now, please go back and read Alans first post in the thread. It absolutely did not sound, as if he even wanted to help. That doesn't matter. Please don't antagonise people, full-stop. Yes, it absouletly does matter. It makes all of a difference. I, too, know what it's like to receive a reply to one of my questions which I find to be unhelpful and aggravating. However, two wrongs don't make a right and no-one benefits from an angry response. Oh, so it's now my fault for responding to a flamebait? Nice. It's not the aggressor who's doing something wrong? It was NOT flamebait. It was. Even if it maybe was not the intention. And you can see that it was, if you have a look at the subthread. It was HARMLESS. Yes. In your world, an aggressor is doing nothing wrong? Do I understand that right? Well, that's something were we seem to disagree. Grown up! Get real. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Gnome: No sound - No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you could file a feature request at b.g.o. to get the old behaviour back. It seems entirely reasonable to me that rhythmbox should DEPENDs on gst-plugins-base which should conditionally DEPEND on -alsa or -oss (or other sound systems). Isn't that what the gst-plugins-meta package does? RDEPEND=oss? ( =media-plugins/gst-plugins-oss-0.10 ) alsa? ( =media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa-0.10 ) esd? ( =media-plugins/gst-plugins-esd-0.10 ) X? ( =media-plugins/gst-plugins-x-0.10 ) xv? ( =media-plugins/gst-plugins-xvideo-0.10 ) dvb? ( media-plugins/gst-plugins-dvb =media-libs/gst-plugins-bad-0.10.6 =media-plugins/gst-plugins-fluendo-mpegdemux-0.10 .15 ) mythtv? ( media-plugins/gst-plugins-mythtv ) I filed a bug report at http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214831. It all makes sense in a kind of roundabout way: Does it? gst-plugins-meta MAY install everything, if all the USE flags are set. But I don't quite get, why rb (or any other gst using app) should not depend on it. gst-plugins-meta installs everything, so rhythmbox does not DEPEND on it - that would force a user to have every possible plugin with no option to not have them (very much a gentoo no-no). Nope, that's not the case. -meta packages tend to not be DEPENDED on, they are there as a convenience for user that want everything and can't be bothered to put the whole shebang in world. But that's not what gst-plugins-meta does. Read the ebuild again. It features alsa, oss and what-not USE flags. And only if those flags are set, stuff is installed. rhythmbox DEPENDS on gst-plugins-base to give you the required framework that will handle the plugins you want (you get to pick and install them manually...) No, that's not the case. Read the bug report and read the bugs that Jakub pointed out there. The question now is why were the alsa, oss and other drivers removed from the -base ebuild? Because they belong to the meta package, I suppose. The real question rather is, why was rb not updated to depend on -meta. I filed https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214852 for that. I recall something similar with another sound app a while ago, the reason is that it could be used as a networked sound delivery server and there's no good reason to require the user to have sound driver support on the local machine. I suspect your bug will be closed WONTFIX, with luck the dev will justify their reasoning. If not, I'll reopen it. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gnome: No sound - No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: On Thursday 27 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: The question now is why were the alsa, oss and other drivers removed from the -base ebuild? Because they belong to the meta package, I suppose. The real question rather is, why was rb not updated to depend on -meta. I filed https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214852 for that. Good luck with getting a dev to agree to that. I wouldn't, and don't know a single case in portage where an ebuild DEPENDS on a -meta ebuild (possible -metas DEPENDING on subordinate -metas excepted) In that case, rb should depend on gst-plugins-base, but that's also not what them devs want. It rather seems, that they prefer that users have a non-functional system - which I find a quite strange attitude. But that's just me, I guess. -meta packages are designed to be manually added to world by users who wish an easy way to emerge everything. Fine, but did you actually have a look at the gst-plugins-meta package? It does *NOT* add everything. It is *NOT* at all like the kde-meta package. The gst-plugins-meta package only adds everything, if all the USE flags are set. Again, that's very much different from the kde-meta package - for it to be the same, the kde-meta would need to have, let's say, a ppp flag with which a user could control if ppp stuff (kppp for example) get's installed. But there's no such flag. It's not described in policy anywhere I have ever seen, the actual usage in practise tells you the intended usage. The actual usage of other meta packages (again, I'm thinking abut kde-meta and also gnome-base/gnome here) differs *completely* from the usage of the gst-plugins-meta package. So I don't see, how you can compare different things here. Go back and read bug 159470 again, especially comments 3 and 4. I don't quite understand that. Nobody is proposing, that rb should now grow an alsa USE flag. I'm also not saying that gst-plugins-base should re-grow the alsa USE flag. The dependencies you propose cause circular dependency loops Why's that? rb should depend on gst-plugins-meta which should depend on gst-plugins-alsa (if the USE flag is set so). and recompilation of packages that depend on the USE flags when they change, even when the resulting files installed are EXACTLY the same as the ones replaced. Care to expand on that? This is the reason why the USE flags were removed from the ebuild, That's fine. to save you from the horror that is circular deps. Could you cook up a testcase to show that? I recall something similar with another sound app a while ago, the reason is that it could be used as a networked sound delivery server and there's no good reason to require the user to have sound driver support on the local machine. I suspect your bug will be closed WONTFIX, with luck the dev will justify their reasoning. If not, I'll reopen it. And Jakob will probably just close it. Then I'll reopen it. He's brutal about that, and it's his job. Dunno. But let's not discuss Jakub. The problem you are trying to solve would be much better served with a request for an ELOG to be emitted by rhythmbox alerting to user to the need to install gst-plugins-whatever. I don't think so. There's a damn good reason why rhythmbox does does depend on -meta. I suppose you mean does not depend on -meta, right? That will never happen, so you should get over it. Bug 159470 explains why it's not a good idea to depend on -base either, so now you get to issue one more emerge by yourself. Actually, it doesn't. Comment #3 from Jakub doesn't apply. I totally agree with Jakub, that it might have been a bad idea to have something like mad? ( =media-plugins/gst-plugins-mad-0.10* ) in the totem ebuild. That sucks. Nobody wants that back. I seem to be missing something - what happens, if rb would depend on gst-plugins-meta? Suppose USE=alsa is set. Then if emerge rhythmbox would be done, gst-plugins-meta and gst-plugins-alsa would be emerged. Then the user thinks that dvb is a good idea and adds dvb to his make.conf file. If he'd recompile gst-plugins-meta, he'd also get gst-plugins-dvb installed. Would rb then need to be recompiled, in the point of view of emerge? Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gnome: No sound - No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found
Albert Hopkins marduk at letterboxes.org writes: The GNOME 2.22 versions of Rhythmbox and Sound Juicer depend on gst-plugins-meta. Great to hear! So you should get over it. I will. I don't care much about the 2.20 version then. They'll be history soon anyway. Cheers, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, onto your actual problem. It is exceptionally hard to even attempt to provide a solution unless someone else fixed the exact same problem before, as you have not provided any configuration at all and very little useful information. What would you have wanted to see? I wrote that sound works. You don't need more information. Hence your post was as much noise as mine was. That's why other people, or at least Andrey, was able to help, where as you were just a moron. Nonetheless I shall try, so please provide the following: How nice from you, now that the problem has been solved. 1. the output of lspci as it relates to audio so we can see what hardware you have Why should that matter? After all, sound playback works (in other programs). 2. What engine does rhythmbox use? gstreamer? If so, do other gstreamer apps work correctly on your box? That was the million dollar question. 3. With what options did you compile rhythmbox and gstreamer (if applicable)? Does not matter. 4. Lastly, this is out on left field, please confirm that rhythmbox is indeed using alsa and not oss Question 2 covers that. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Gnome: No sound - No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you could file a feature request at b.g.o. to get the old behaviour back. It seems entirely reasonable to me that rhythmbox should DEPENDs on gst-plugins-base which should conditionally DEPEND on -alsa or -oss (or other sound systems). Isn't that what the gst-plugins-meta package does? RDEPEND=oss? ( =media-plugins/gst-plugins-oss-0.10 ) alsa? ( =media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa-0.10 ) esd? ( =media-plugins/gst-plugins-esd-0.10 ) X? ( =media-plugins/gst-plugins-x-0.10 ) xv? ( =media-plugins/gst-plugins-xvideo-0.10 ) dvb? ( media-plugins/gst-plugins-dvb =media-libs/gst-plugins-bad-0.10.6 =media-plugins/gst-plugins-fluendo-mpegdemux-0.10.15 ) mythtv? ( media-plugins/gst-plugins-mythtv ) I filed a bug report at http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214831. Michael PS: Now you're being helpful. Thanks a lot for that! -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: openchrome in portage
Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, xf86-video-openchrome is now in portage. So there is no need to keep the overlay. I deleted it and removed the source line in /etc/make.conf. I have the following line in make.conf: VIDEO_CARDS=openchrome via Now I get this: uwix ~ # emerge --pretend --verbose xorg-server These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] x11-base/xorg-server-1.4.0.90-r3 USE=dri hal ipv6 sdl xorg -3dfx -debug -dmx -kdrive -minimal (-nptl) -xprint INPUT_DEVICES=evdev keyboard mouse -acecad -aiptek -calcomp -citron -digitaledge -dmc -dynapro -elo2300 -elographics -fpit -hyperpen -jamstudio -joystick-magellan -microtouch -mutouch -palmax -penmount -spaceorb -summa -synaptics -tek4957 -ur98 -vmmouse -void -wacom VIDEO_CARDS=via -amd -apm-ark -chips -cirrus -cyrix -dummy -epson -fbdev -fglrx -glint -i128 -i740 -i810 (-impact) -imstt -mach64 -mga -neomagic (-newport) -nsc -nv -nvidia -r128 -radeon -rendition -s3 -s3virge -savage -siliconmotion -sis -sisusb (-sunbw2) (-suncg14) (-suncg3) (-suncg6) (-sunffb) (-sunleo) (-suntcx) -tdfx -tga -trident -tseng -v4l -vermilion -vesa -vga -vmware -voodoo -xgi (-openchrome%*) 0 kB Why on earth is it excluding openchrome? Because xorg-server doesn't list it in VIDEO_CARDS. For the time being, you need to install xf86-video-openchrome manually. I bet that an upcoming rev/rel of xorg-server will fix this problem. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] rhythmbox plays silently
Good evening! I've got a problem with media-sound/rhythmbox-0.11.2-r1 on my new ~x86 system. When I play an MP3 file, I see that rb progresses and when I turn on visualization, I see the sound. But I hear nothing at all :/ Any ideas about why that's so? The volume slider in rb is all the way up. Also all the sliders in the mixer are all up. And when I use a different player, like Amarok, VLC or MPlayer, I hear sound when I play the song that's silent in Rhythmbox. This happens with all the songs I tried. Well - what to do? Thanks, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Gnome: No sound - No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found (was: rhythmbox plays silently)
Hello. Andrey Falko ma3oxuct at gmail.com writes: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Michael Schmarck michael.schmarck at habmalnefrage.de wrote: Good evening! I've got a problem with media-sound/rhythmbox-0.11.2-r1 on my new ~x86 system. When I play an MP3 file, I see that rb progresses and when I turn on visualization, I see the sound. But I hear nothing at all :/ Any ideas about why that's so? The volume slider in rb is all the way up. Also all the sliders in the mixer are all up. And when I use a different player, like Amarok, VLC or MPlayer, I hear sound when I play the song that's silent in Rhythmbox. This happens with all the songs I tried. Well - what to do? Thanks, Michael Do you play sound with something else before running rhythmbox? I don't quite understand - as I said, when I use something else, like Mplayer, Xine or Amarok, I hear something. With Rhythmbox, and also Totem as I just noticed, I hear nothing. There's another problem: When I start gnome-volume-control, I get: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found Hmm... What happens when you run rhythmbox after restarting alsa? You mean after doing /etc/init.d/alsasound restart? Nothing special happens - still beautiful silence :) Also does rhythmbox use alsa or oss? I suppose alsa - I set USE=-oss in make.conf. How do I check? gst-plugins-alsa is NOT installed. Thanks so far, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gnome: No sound - No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found (was: rhythmbox plays silently)
I wrote: Andrey Falko ma3oxuct at gmail.com writes: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Michael Schmarck michael.schmarck at habmalnefrage.de wrote: There's another problem: When I start gnome-volume-control, I get: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found Hmm... [...] Also does rhythmbox use alsa or oss? I suppose alsa - I set USE=-oss in make.conf. How do I check? gst-plugins-alsa is NOT installed. That's it! On my new system, I'm using Xfce; on other systems I used to use Gnome. I suppose Gnome pulls in gst-plugins-meta which may pull in gst-plugins-alsa. Xfce doesn't do that (of course). After installing gst-plugins-meta (and gst-plugins-alsa), I'm able to hear something. Nice! Andrey, thanks for your suggestions - they made me solve the problem. Have a nice evening, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: rhythmbox plays silently
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: On Tuesday 25 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Good evening! I've got a problem with media-sound/rhythmbox-0.11.2-r1 on my new ~x86 system. When I play an MP3 file, I see that rb progresses and when I turn on visualization, I see the sound. But I hear nothing at all :/ Any ideas about why that's so? The volume slider in rb is all the way up. Also all the sliders in the mixer are all up. And when I use a different player, like Amarok, VLC or MPlayer, I hear sound when I play the song that's silent in Rhythmbox. This happens with all the songs I tried. Well - what to do? Easy. Don't use rhythmbox. Don't use Gnome. Why's that? Any particular reason why I should not use good programs? Do use KDE. Most certainly not. Do use Amarok. Do use mplayer. If it makes sense. *especially* do use mplayer. Nope. Not for that task. You know, unlike you, I'm more into using tools that are made for a task. I know this isn't what you want to hear. Exactly. I wanted to hear helpful comments. I just couldn't resist an open invitation to dig at Gnome. Oh, you mean you couldn't resist an open invitation to make yourself look like a fool? You were quite successul in doing so, I've gotta say, by replying without knowing an answer - or did you just wanted to look like a moron? Well - mission accomplished, as they say. I'll crawl back into my KDE and e17 fanboy clubhouse and shut up now. It would've been better if you would've just shut up right from the beginning - or simply post helpful comments. The latter would be the preferred option, as far as I'm concerned. Michael PS: Does anyone know if Gmane features a troll filter? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Recovering root password
Hi. Grant emailgrant at gmail.com writes: Would the type of filesystem encryption you guys are talking about be unsuitable for a high-traffic server because of performance considerations? Yes, and it isn't necessary. You lock your servers away so that nobody has physical access to them. I'd rather say: ... so that only trusted people have But besides this nitpick, I agree with you. Sounds like co-location right? No. Sounds like build your own data center :) I just have a hosted dedicated machine. This means that you've got to trust the people hosting your environment. If you don't, then move away! You know, they could easily install a traffic sniffers and whatnot. The thing that's always kept me from co-locating is hardware failure. That would be a my problem in a co-located environment rather than a their problem right? Depends on your contract, but generally speaking, you're right, yes. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Linux Basic commands to begin with
Kaushal Shriyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/3/19 Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Mittwoch, 19. März 2008 schrieb ext Kaushal Shriyan: How can i create .tbz2 file Now the real thing: man tar [...] I mean using quickpkg command What part of the documentation is unclear to you Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] [OT] iTunes with Gentoo?
Hello. Sorry for being somewhat Off Topic, but could you guys please tell me if it's possible to use iTunes with wine-0.9.57 under a ~x86 system? Is it possible to change the store location to something other than US (as that's required to buy songs, as far as I know)? Thanks, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] iTunes with Gentoo?
Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 Mar 2008, at 11:45, Michael Schmarck wrote: Is it possible to change the store location to something other than US (as that's required to buy songs, as far as I know)? UK residents can buy from the iTunes store, as I would imagine can residents of many other European countries. I went ahead and downloaded iTunes 7.6 and ran it with Wine 0.9.57. When I start iTunes (in Wine), it connects me to the US store. Although there's a link to change to other stores (like Switzerland), this action does not work - ie. even after changing to Switzerland, I'm still at the US store. Can a European (or rather a Swiss person, as I'm living in Switzerland) buy from the US store? Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] sudo displays last login time
Hello. Since recently (I think since 2nd half of last week), when I use sudo on my ~x86, I get the last login time displayed: $ LC_ALL=C sudo ls -1 Last login: Mon Mar 17 07:12:40 CET 2008 from winnb000488 on pts/6 10001~ [...] Would anyone have an idea, about why that's happening? Thanks a lot, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: sudo displays last login time
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 17 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Hello. Since recently (I think since 2nd half of last week), when I use sudo on my ~x86, I get the last login time displayed: $ LC_ALL=C sudo ls -1 Last login: Mon Mar 17 07:12:40 CET 2008 from winnb000488 on pts/6 10001~ [...] Would anyone have an idea, about why that's happening? It's a recent pam update. I updated mine on 11 March, and it's these lines from files in /etc/pam.d/: nazgul pam.d # grep pam_lastlog * login:sessionoptional pam_lastlog.so system-login:sessionoptionalpam_lastlog.so That's it. Thanks a lot! Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Setting LINGUAS seperately for some packages
Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. März 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: I'd like to set LINGUAS=de for almost every package. But for the sys-apps/man-pages package, I'd like LINGUAS not to be set, so that I don't get the german man pages installed. How would I do that? Put this in /etc/portage/package.use: sys-apps/man-pages -nls No. I'm not looking for a way to set -nls for man-pages, I'm looking for a way to modify LINGUAS. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Setting LINGUAS seperately for some packages
Alex Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Willie Wong writes: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 04:07:16PM +0100, Penguin Lover Dirk Heinrichs squawked: I'd like to set LINGUAS=de for almost every package. But for the sys-apps/man-pages package, I'd like LINGUAS not to be set, so that I don't get the german man pages installed. How would I do that? Put this in /etc/portage/package.use: sys-apps/man-pages -nls Does this work for other packages? For example, I don't think acroread has the nls USE flag. I don't think so. But: /etc/portage/bashrc is evaluated by emerge, and you can put any stuff you want into there. Like this: if [[ $CATEGORY/$PN == sys-apps/man-pages ]] then LINGUAS= fi It seems to be common practice to put some more general code into there, and have package-specific file in sub-directories. Mine look slike this: envFile=/etc/portage/package.env/$CATEGORY/$PN if [[ -f $envFile-$PV ]] then . $envFile-$PV elif [[ -f $envFile ]] then . $envFile fi So I would have a file /etc/portage/package.env/sys-apps/man-pages containing LINGUAS=, I did as you described. When I now run emerge -vpt man-pages, I get: # emerge -vpt man-pages These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild U ] sys-apps/man-pages-2.78 [2.42] USE=nls LINGUAS=-cs% -da% de%* -es% -fr% -it% -ja% -nl% -pl% -ro% -ru% -zh_CN% 1,823 kB [ebuild N] app-i18n/man-pages-de-0.5-r1 510 kB # cat /etc/portage/package.env/sys-apps/man-pages export LINGUAS= # cat /etc/portage/bashrc # news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] envFile=/etc/portage/package.env/$CATEGORY/$PN if [[ -f $envFile-$PV ]] then . $envFile-$PV elif [[ -f $envFile ]] then . $envFile fi It seems as if this does not work - or does it? Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Setting LINGUAS seperately for some packages
Henry Gebhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 04:07:16PM +0100, Penguin Lover Dirk Heinrichs squawked: Put this in /etc/portage/package.use: sys-apps/man-pages -nls Does this work for other packages? For example, I don't think acroread has the nls USE flag. Howabout sys-apps/man-pages -linguas_de This works just fine! Thanks, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Setting LINGUAS seperately for some packages
Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Donnerstag, 13. März 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. März 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: I'd like to set LINGUAS=de for almost every package. But for the sys-apps/man-pages package, I'd like LINGUAS not to be set, so that I don't get the german man pages installed. How would I do that? [...] _if_ nls is set then LINGUAS controls which other laguages to install. So what you want (for this package) is to set -nls. Maybe. But what I'm asking for is a way to set LINGUAS differently, depending on the package. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Setting LINGUAS seperately for some packages
Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Donnerstag, 13. März 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Donnerstag, 13. März 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. März 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: I'd like to set LINGUAS=de for almost every package. But for the sys-apps/man-pages package, I'd like LINGUAS not to be set, so that I don't get the german man pages installed. How would I do that? [...] _if_ nls is set then LINGUAS controls which other laguages to install. So what you want (for this package) is to set -nls. Maybe. But what I'm asking for is a way to set LINGUAS differently, depending on the package. No, that was not what you asked for. See above. Yes, please see above! Especially check the subject. But even in what you quoted, I'm asking for a way to modify the value of LINGUAS. You didn't want the german man pages installed. This is achieved by unsetting nls for this package. I wanted to have LINGUAS be set differently for some packages. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Setting LINGUAS seperately for some packages
Hello. I'd like to set LINGUAS=de for almost every package. But for the sys-apps/man-pages package, I'd like LINGUAS not to be set, so that I don't get the german man pages installed. How would I do that? Thanks, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Ghosting a Ext3 partition
Crayon Shin Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 02 March 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What supports what is a good reason for non-filesystem backups. For example partimage has trouble with XFS (still...after all these years...). A program like dd doesn't care the fs. Call it a device backup if you like. This is your basic choice in backup - device or fs. Me personally, dd_rescue - far better than raw dd. The advantage of something like partimage, which knows about the filesystem being backed up, is that it can back up only the used portions of the fs. Yes, it can. But you achieve the same (only used stuff is backed up) with a simpler tool like tar as well. So eg if you're backing up a 20GB partition of which only 1GB is in use, then using partimage it will be very quick and the resulting image very small. Then the tar file will also be just 1GB. I really don't see the benefit in using things like partimage or Ghost. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Ghosting a Ext3 partition
Jonathan Haws [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday March 2 2008 16:43, Mark Kirkwood wrote: Right - what you intend the backup to protect against drives all this sort of stuff. The thing that is driving my backups is a hard disk failure. Of course :) Hence I was using Ghost instead of something else so I can backup the entire drive and not just a single partition. That enables the quickest recovery of the entire system in the event of a failure. Depends. If you'd just store tar files, you'd just have to create the filesystem beforehand and then restore the tar files. Won't take much longer than restoring a Ghost image, I'd suppose. I have looked everywhere I can think of to find a tool that is similar to Ghost that will backup the entire hard drive to an image that I can put to DVD, without including free blocks on the disk (I don't want an 80GB image of an 80GB drive when only 5GB are in use at the time). That's why I'd rather use tar... An additional benefit is, that tar is *MUCH* simpler than Ghost (or partimage). Because of that, you could use your tar file in many more applications (for example if you want to have a look at what the file was at your last backup). Does anyone know of a tool capable of this that runs on Linux and has FULL Linux fs support? partimage. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Is there really no way to search http://packages.gentoo.org ?!
Mike Mazur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I get this when I go there: Looks like they might be experiencing some downtime at the moment. Try again later. They are down quite often, aren't they? :( Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage issue
Hello! Alan McKinnon-2 wrote: On Sunday 03 February 2008, Robert Stockdale IV wrote: [blocks B ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.4_rc1 (is blocking app-shells/bash- 3.2_p33) emerge --sync, there is a later version of portage in the tree that bash does not block Hm. Are you sure? I just installed 2007.0 and set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86. I then did a emerge --sync followed by an emerge -vat portage. Result: test9 / # emerge -vat portage These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies... done! [nomerge ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.4.4 [2.1.2.2] USE=-build -doc -epydoc (-selinux) LINGUAS=-pl [ebuild U ] app-shells/bash-3.2_p33 [3.1_p17] USE=-afs -bashlogger nls -plugins% -vanilla 2,564 kB [ebuild U ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.4.4 [2.1.2.2] USE=-build -doc -epydoc (-selinux) LINGUAS=-pl 368 kB [nomerge ] dev-lang/python-2.5.1-r5 USE=berkdb -bootstrap -build -doc -examples gdbm -ipv6 ncurses -nothreads readline -sqlite ssl -tk -ucs2 [ebuild N] app-admin/python-updater-0.4 4 kB [ebuild NS ] dev-lang/python-2.5.1-r5 USE=berkdb -bootstrap -build -doc -examples gdbm -ipv6 ncurses -nothreads readline -sqlite ssl -tk -ucs2 9,174 kB [ebuild U ] sys-apps/sandbox-1.2.18.1-r2 [1.2.17] 232 kB [blocks B ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.4_rc1 (is blocking app-shells/bash-3.2_p33) Total: 5 packages (3 upgrades, 1 new, 1 in new slot, 1 block), Size of downloads: 12,338 kB !!! Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be installed !!!at the same time on the same system. For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant): http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1#blocked How do you get around this blocker? Thanks, Michael - -- Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Portage-issue-tp15256634p15562413.html Sent from the gentoo-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Portage issue
Michael Schmarck michael.schmarck at habmalnefrage.de writes: These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies... done! [nomerge ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.4.4 [2.1.2.2] USE=-build -doc -epydoc (-selinux) LINGUAS=-pl [ebuild U ] app-shells/bash-3.2_p33 [3.1_p17] USE=-afs -bashlogger nls -plugins% -vanilla 2,564 kB [...] [blocks B ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.4_rc1 (is blocking app-shells/bash-3.2_p33) Total: 5 packages (3 upgrades, 1 new, 1 in new slot, 1 block), Size of downloads: 12,338 kB !!! Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be installed !!!at the same time on the same system. [...] How do you get around this blocker? emerge -1av =app-shells/bash-3.2_p17-r1 emerge portage That solved it for me. Cheers, Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage issue
Good morning! Alan McKinnon-2 wrote: On Tuesday 19 February 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Hello! Alan McKinnon-2 wrote: On Sunday 03 February 2008, Robert Stockdale IV wrote: [blocks B ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.4_rc1 (is blocking app-shells/bash- 3.2_p33) emerge --sync, there is a later version of portage in the tree that bash does not block Hm. Are you sure? Not so much anymore... ;-) Alan McKinnon-2 wrote: try this: emerge bash-3.2-p17-r1 emerge portage emerge bash This worked for me, as I found out a short while after I posted my original message :) Thanks a lot for your explanation. This way, it's at least understandable *WHY* this works ;-) Best regards, Michael - -- Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Portage-issue-tp15256634p15583094.html Sent from the gentoo-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: load too high
Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 443-653-1569 wrote: On 23:27 Mon 11 Feb , Miguel Peña Gomez wrote: atop 3 filter by p WOW!!, this atop program is great, one of the best diagnostic tools I've seen. Why haven't I heard more about it? Bill Roberts What package provides that command? atop Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Horribly off-topic linux distro question...
Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the context of online banking, where Windows of some flavour is the desktop OS, I see a substantial risk arising through spyware and/or viruses. I suspect that a neat way to mitigate this would be to run an OS from a CD which offers nothing more fancy than a basic web-browser. Is there anything like this already available? DSL should come fairly close. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] [OT] Trying to use xauth - Xlib: No protocol specified
Hello folks! I know that this question is offtopic for this list, but maybe someone has a clue nonetheless... I'm trying to access my local X display (on a Gentoo Linux machine, of course - am I now on topic? *G*) from a remote system (running Solaris 10U4 on Sparc). I cannot use ssh to login to that machine. To be somewhat secure, I tried to use xauth, but that doesn't work What did I do? On the local system, I did: xauth extract xauth.key $DISPLAY:0.0 ftp $remote - put xauth.key, in BINary mode rlogin $remote On $remote, I did: export DISPLAY=$linux_box:0.0 xauth merge xauth.key xterm Result: Xlib: connection to lin000198:0.0 refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified xterm Xt error: Can't open display: lin000198:0.0 Hm. Why's that? X is (of course) running on lin000198 and it's listening on 6000/tcp: $ sudo netstat -tlpen | grep 6000 tcp0 0 0.0.0.0:60000.0.0.0:* LISTEN 0 9878 4489/X Looks good, doesn't it? I'm also able to access the X server on my local $linux_box, when I do on $linux_box: xhost +$remote But I don't want to do that, as xauth is the better, more secure way. On $linux_box I ran wireshark/tcpdump and had it capture the traffic. When I run xterm on $remote, I see two packages with the protocol type X11. One going from $remote - $linux_box and one the other way (the answer). Content is pasted further down below. Does anyone know what I might have to tweak, so that xauth works? I'm using xorg-server-1.4.0.90-r3, if that matters. Thanks a lot! And sorry for being off topic. No. Time Source Destination Protocol Info 10 0.860682 10.0.1.26 10.0.3.115 X11 Initial connection request Frame 10 (66 bytes on wire, 66 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Feb 7, 2008 07:54:28.331493000 [Time delta from previous captured frame: 0.00047 seconds] [Time delta from previous displayed frame: 0.00047 seconds] [Time since reference or first frame: 0.860682000 seconds] Frame Number: 10 Frame Length: 66 bytes Capture Length: 66 bytes [Frame is marked: True] [Protocols in frame: eth:ip:tcp:x11] [Coloring Rule Name: TCP] [Coloring Rule String: tcp] Ethernet II, Src: 00:03:ba:0c:25:75 (00:03:ba:0c:25:75), Dst: 00:15:c5:59:04:9b (00:15:c5:59:04:9b) Destination: 00:15:c5:59:04:9b (00:15:c5:59:04:9b) Address: 00:15:c5:59:04:9b (00:15:c5:59:04:9b) ...0 = IG bit: Individual address (unicast) ..0. = LG bit: Globally unique address (factory default) Source: 00:03:ba:0c:25:75 (00:03:ba:0c:25:75) Address: 00:03:ba:0c:25:75 (00:03:ba:0c:25:75) ...0 = IG bit: Individual address (unicast) ..0. = LG bit: Globally unique address (factory default) Type: IP (0x0800) Internet Protocol, Src: 10.0.1.26 (10.0.1.26), Dst: 10.0.3.115 (10.0.3.115) Version: 4 Header length: 20 bytes Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00) 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default (0x00) ..0. = ECN-Capable Transport (ECT): 0 ...0 = ECN-CE: 0 Total Length: 52 Identification: 0x31a2 (12706) Flags: 0x04 (Don't Fragment) 0... = Reserved bit: Not set .1.. = Don't fragment: Set ..0. = More fragments: Not set Fragment offset: 0 Time to live: 64 Protocol: TCP (0x06) Header checksum: 0xf095 [correct] [Good: True] [Bad : False] Source: 10.0.1.26 (10.0.1.26) Destination: 10.0.3.115 (10.0.3.115) Transmission Control Protocol, Src Port: 59653 (59653), Dst Port: x11 (6000), Seq: 1, Ack: 1, Len: 12 Source port: 59653 (59653) Destination port: x11 (6000) Sequence number: 1 (relative sequence number) [Next sequence number: 13 (relative sequence number)] Acknowledgement number: 1 (relative ack number) Header length: 20 bytes Flags: 0x18 (PSH, ACK) 0... = Congestion Window Reduced (CWR): Not set .0.. = ECN-Echo: Not set ..0. = Urgent: Not set ...1 = Acknowledgment: Set 1... = Push: Set .0.. = Reset: Not set ..0. = Syn: Not set ...0 = Fin: Not set Window size: 49640 Checksum: 0xd155 [correct] [Good Checksum: True] [Bad Checksum: False] X11, Request, Initial connection request byte-order: 0x42 (Big-endian) unused protocol-major-version: 11 protocol-minor-version: 0 authorization-protocol-name-length: 0 authorization-protocol-data-length: 0 unused 00 15 c5 59 04 9b 00 03 ba 0c 25 75 08 00 45 00 ...Y..%u..E. 0010 00 34 31 a2 40 00 40 06 f0 95 0a 00 01
[gentoo-user] Re: openexr vs. ilmbase
Benjamen R. Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to update my system (emerge world -vuDNp) and noticed a block by openexr (being updated) on ilmbase (new package). So, I was wondering what they are and which one I should be using. media-libs/openexr-1.6.1 [1.4.0a] Update! media-libs/ilmbase-1.0.1 New! media-libs/openexr-1.5.0 blocking ilmbase-1.0.1 [...] So okay - openexr 1.4.0a needs to be removed and openexr 1.6.1 installed instead with ilmbase 1.0.1 also installed, no? But then why is emerge wanting to install openexr 1.5 too? It does not. It's telling you, that versions prior to openexr-1.5.0 block the installation of ilmbase-1.0.1. But what's the best way to do the update? I could just unmerge (emerge -C) openexr and then do the update, and remerge openexr afterwards if need be. Or is there a better way? I'd do: emerge -C 'media-libs/openexr-1.5.0' emerge openexr Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Portage behaviour with Masked packages - Gaim
Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is gaim no longer in portage? Is it dead upstream? It has been renamed to Pidgin in 2007 to prevent some legal issues with AOL and their AIM product. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: SANDBOX - state of the art?
Helmut Jarausch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have sys-apps/sandbox-1.2.20_alpha2-r1 installed but still when I install a kernel module I need to disable the sandbox by using FEATURES='-sandbox' I am running kernel 2.6.23-gentoo-r3 and gcc-4.2.2 as standard C-compiler. Am I missing something or is the bug not fixed, yet? Hm. I do not have to disable sandbox when I emerge a kernel module like cloop or x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-100.14.19. --($:~/Desktop)-- emerge --info Portage 2.1.4 (default-linux/x86/2007.0/desktop, gcc-4.2.2, glibc-2.7-r1, 2.6.23-gentoo-r5.r08.mit-ide-mod_2 i686) = System uname: 2.6.23-gentoo-r5.r08.mit-ide-mod_2 i686 Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz Timestamp of tree: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:47:01 + distcc 2.18.3 i686-pc-linux-gnu (protocols 1 and 2) (default port 3632) [disabled] ccache version 2.4 [enabled] app-shells/bash: 3.2_p33 dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7, 2.1.3 dev-lang/python: 2.4.4-r4, 2.5.1-r5 dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r6 dev-util/ccache: 2.4-r7 sys-apps/baselayout: 1.12.11.1 sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.18.1-r2 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.61-r1 sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10 sys-devel/binutils: 2.18-r1 sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.0-r4 sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.24 virtual/os-headers: 2.6.23-r3 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 ~x86 CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-march=pentium-m -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config /usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/share/config CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/php/apache2-php5/ext-active/ /etc/php/cgi-php5/ext-active/ /etc/php/cli-php5/ext-active/ /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/terminfo /etc/udev/rules.d CXXFLAGS=-march=pentium-m -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer DISTDIR=/Gentoo/Portage/distfiles EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--alphabetical FEATURES=buildpkg ccache collision-protect distlocks metadata-transfer parallel-fetch sandbox sfperms strict unmerge-orphans userfetch GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/gentoo/ http://ftp.gentoo.or.kr/http://distfiles.gentoo.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo LANG=de_CH.UTF-8 LINGUAS=de MAKEOPTS=-j3 PKGDIR=/Gentoo/Portage/packages PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS=--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages --filter=H_**/files/digest-* PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/Gentoo/Portage/build PORTDIR=/Gentoo/Portage/tree PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/Gentoo/Portage/local-tree/misc SYNC=rsync://winds06:10873/gentoo-portage USE=X acpi alsa berkdb bitmap-fonts bluetooth cairo cdr cli cracklib crypt cups dbus dmi doc dri dvd dvdr dvdread encode fam firefox fortran gdbm gif gnome gnutls gpm gstreamer gtk hal iconv isdnlog jpeg kde kdeenablefinal kdehiddenvisibility ldap libnotify mad midi mmx mp3 mpeg mudflap ncurses nls nptl nptlonly ogg opengl openmp pam pcmcia pcre pdf perl png pppd python qt3 qt3support qt4 quicktime readline reflection samba sdl session spell spl sse sse2 ssl svg tcpd tiff truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts unicode vorbis wifi win32codecs x86 xine xinerama xml xorg xv zlib ALSA_CARDS=hda-intel intel8x0 intel8x0m usb-audio usb-usx3y ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS=adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm softvol APACHE2_MODULES=actions alias auth_basic auth_digest authn_anon authn_dbd authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_own er authz_user autoindex cache dav dav_fs dav_lock dbd deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers ident imagemap include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation proxy proxy_ajp proxy_balancer proxy_connect proxy_http rewrite setenvif so speling status unique_id userdir usertrack vhost_alias APACHE2_MPMS=worker CAMERAS=ptp2 directory ELIBC=glibc INPUT_DEVICES=evdev keyboard mouse synaptics KERNEL=linux LCD_DEVICES=bayrad cfontz cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb ncurses text LINGUAS=de USERLAND=GNU VIDEO_CARDS=nv nvidia vga none Unset: CPPFLAGS, CTARGET, INSTALL_MASK, LC_ALL, LDFLAGS, PORTAGE_COMPRESS, PORTAGE_COMPRESS_FLAGS, PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
Thufir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:58:15 -0200, Daniel da Veiga wrote: I completely agree with Alan, Gentoo is a metadistro, and it provides (by Handbook) a LOT of ways to install, Ok, but I would like to see all those sabayon users taken into the fold. Uhm, why? Sabayon is a distribution of itself. Sure, it's based on Gentoo, but it certainly has its own vision and thus also its own userbase. The userbase of Gentoo and Sabayon don't have to be identical. What works for them, doesn't have to work for us. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Once again baffled by portage
· Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why won't portage let me install kompare? Because you already have it. # emerge --pretend kompare These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N] kde-base/kompare-3.5.7 USE=arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama [blocks B ] =kde-base/kompare-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdesdk-3.5.7) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdesdk-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kompare-3.5.7) How does one figure out where these blocks are coming from? By having a look in the ebuilds. There are no other versions of kompare installed. kde-base/kdesdk-3.5.7 _is_ installed. There is no mention of kdeanything in /etc/portage/*. I suppose kompare is part of kdesdk. kdesdk is a huge package containing lots of stuff. So I suppose you cannot have both kdesdk and a broken out package (kompare) installed at the same time. * kde-base/kdesdk Latest version available: 3.5.7 Latest version installed: 3.5.7 Size of files: 5,088 kB Homepage: http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE SDK: Cervisia, KBabel, KCachegrind, Kompare, Umbrello,... License: GPL-2 Yep. There it says: kdesdk also offers Kompare. Hm, why would you want to install Kompare, if you already have it installed? Michael Schmarck -- Why would anyone want to be called Later? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] [SOLVED] Re: Single click is interpreted as double click
Sascha Hlusiak wrote: What if you now change the InputDeviceUSB Maus SendCoreEvents to InputDeviceUSB Maus CorePointer ? YEAH! That solved it. I can now single click again. Most excellent. Thanks a lot! - -- Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Single-click-is-interpreted-as-double-click-tp14834025p14875978.html Sent from the gentoo-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo on the Sales block?
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only ask because Sun just paid a billion dollars for MySQL http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/01/16/sun-mysql_1.html How is it that Open Source is for sale? What do you mean with that? Sun bought MySQL AB, a company in Sweden (or that's where they originally were located). Most of the work in the OS MySQL database is sponsored by MySQL AB. GPL? A license. What about it? 42 °C. Is gentoo next? No. There's nothing you can buy. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone talking about grml here know where to download: From grml.org: `Release grml 1.1-rc1 - Codename Skunk' Unless you want to use the baloney bit torrent download What's baloney about a bittorrent download? It's a good way to save on bandwidth for the one, who offers a download. It's also not more insecure than a plain old http or ftp download - in the contrary, it's at least as secure. it appears none of the servers listed have that version. That might have been the case 5 hours ago, but right now, already the 1st server has it. http://grml.deb.at/ - http://grml.deb.at/devel/grml_1.1-rc1.iso Also other servers have it (the only other one I checked is http://debian.netcologne.de/www.grml.org/devel/, and there you can find grml_1.1-rc1.iso at http://debian.netcologne.de/www.grml.org/devel/grml_1.1-rc1.iso as well). Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
