[gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!

2006-05-03 Thread Anthony E. Caudel
I just discovered something (I think).  Probably everyone else already
knew it but didn't tell me. Shame on all of you!

Do all audio cd's have the mp3's and ogg files on them also

I happened to look at one with konqueror and noticed several files and
directories on it.  The cd was not mounted (and could not be mounted)
but was viewable nontheless. And I could copy a mp3 to my hard disk and
play it.

Not mountable implies no filesystem so how was I able to view it and
copy from it?

And if all audio cd's are this way, why do we need to rip them?  Just
copy the mp3's, or ogg's (or wav's).

I am really confused!

Tony
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Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!

2006-05-03 Thread Raymond Lewis Rebbeck
On Wednesday, May 3 2006 17:03, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:
 I just discovered something (I think).  Probably everyone else already
 knew it but didn't tell me. Shame on all of you!

 Do all audio cd's have the mp3's and ogg files on them also

 I happened to look at one with konqueror and noticed several files and
 directories on it.  The cd was not mounted (and could not be mounted)
 but was viewable nontheless. And I could copy a mp3 to my hard disk and
 play it.

 Not mountable implies no filesystem so how was I able to view it and
 copy from it?

 And if all audio cd's are this way, why do we need to rip them?  Just
 copy the mp3's, or ogg's (or wav's).

 I am really confused!

 Tony
 --
 Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary
 Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin

KDE's 'audiocd:/' ioslave automatically gives you virtual folders full of oggs 
and mp3s. When you copy and paste these files to your filesystem KDE 
automatically performs the ripping and encoding in the background.

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Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!

2006-05-03 Thread Justin Hart

Don't quote me on this, because, I don't know for sure if it already
exists (I do know for sure that not all CDs have mp3s and oggs on
them), but it would be perfectly possible to develop a konqueror
plug-in that automagically presented your CD tracks to you as mp3's
and oggs and ripped them for you, making it look as though these were
already on your cd for you.

Justin

On 5/3/06, Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I just discovered something (I think).  Probably everyone else already
knew it but didn't tell me. Shame on all of you!

Do all audio cd's have the mp3's and ogg files on them also

I happened to look at one with konqueror and noticed several files and
directories on it.  The cd was not mounted (and could not be mounted)
but was viewable nontheless. And I could copy a mp3 to my hard disk and
play it.

Not mountable implies no filesystem so how was I able to view it and
copy from it?

And if all audio cd's are this way, why do we need to rip them?  Just
copy the mp3's, or ogg's (or wav's).

I am really confused!

Tony
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Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!

2006-05-03 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 02:33, Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote about '[gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!':
 Do all audio cd's have the mp3's and ogg files on them also

Nope.

 I happened to look at one with konqueror and noticed several files and
 directories on it.  [H]ow was I able to view it and
 copy from it?

That's just KDE being KDE.  kio_audiocd reads the TOC, looks that up in 
CDDB/FreeCDDB and generates virtual folders that contain the virtual 
files representing original wavs, metadata, and metadata-loaded oggs and 
mp3s.  When you move a virtual file to a real folder, it kicks in again 
to actually generate the data represented by pulling the audio data from 
the CD (and putting though an encoder and adding tags, as needed).

You change change the auto-encoder setting (among other things) under 
Control Center - Sound  Multimedia - Audio CDs.

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Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!

2006-05-03 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 03 May 2006 08:33, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:
 I just discovered something (I think).  Probably everyone else already
 knew it but didn't tell me. Shame on all of you!

 Do all audio cd's have the mp3's and ogg files on them also

No.


 I happened to look at one with konqueror and noticed several files and
 directories on it.  The cd was not mounted (and could not be mounted)
 but was viewable nontheless. And I could copy a mp3 to my hard disk and
 play it.

Konqueror is able to convert the tracks on an audio CD to MP3 or Ogg. ;-)

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!

2006-05-03 Thread Anthony E. Caudel
Raymond Lewis Rebbeck wrote:
 On Wednesday, May 3 2006 17:03, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:
 
I just discovered something (I think).  Probably everyone else already
knew it but didn't tell me. Shame on all of you!

Do all audio cd's have the mp3's and ogg files on them also

I happened to look at one with konqueror and noticed several files and
directories on it.  The cd was not mounted (and could not be mounted)
but was viewable nontheless. And I could copy a mp3 to my hard disk and
play it.

Not mountable implies no filesystem so how was I able to view it and
copy from it?

And if all audio cd's are this way, why do we need to rip them?  Just
copy the mp3's, or ogg's (or wav's).

I am really confused!

Tony
--
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary
Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
   -- Benjamin Franklin
 
 
 KDE's 'audiocd:/' ioslave automatically gives you virtual folders full of 
 oggs 
 and mp3s. When you copy and paste these files to your filesystem KDE 
 automatically performs the ripping and encoding in the background.
 
WOW!

Another plus for KDE.

Does is also get the filenames, etc. from CDDB?

Tony

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Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!

2006-05-03 Thread Raymond Lewis Rebbeck
On Wednesday, May 3 2006 17:23, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:
 Does is also get the filenames, etc. from CDDB?

 Tony

As far as I know, yes it does do a cddb lookup for the cd. Although personally 
I've always preferred kaudiocreator for cd ripping in kde.

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Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!

2006-05-03 Thread Justin Hart

It queries CDDB and constructs filenames from this metadata.  How
these filenames look is configurable, as indicated in one of the
earlier posts on this topic.

Justin

On 5/3/06, Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Raymond Lewis Rebbeck wrote:
 On Wednesday, May 3 2006 17:03, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:

I just discovered something (I think).  Probably everyone else already
knew it but didn't tell me. Shame on all of you!

Do all audio cd's have the mp3's and ogg files on them also

I happened to look at one with konqueror and noticed several files and
directories on it.  The cd was not mounted (and could not be mounted)
but was viewable nontheless. And I could copy a mp3 to my hard disk and
play it.

Not mountable implies no filesystem so how was I able to view it and
copy from it?

And if all audio cd's are this way, why do we need to rip them?  Just
copy the mp3's, or ogg's (or wav's).

I am really confused!

Tony
--
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary
Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
   -- Benjamin Franklin


 KDE's 'audiocd:/' ioslave automatically gives you virtual folders full of oggs
 and mp3s. When you copy and paste these files to your filesystem KDE
 automatically performs the ripping and encoding in the background.

WOW!

Another plus for KDE.

Does is also get the filenames, etc. from CDDB?

Tony

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Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!

2006-05-03 Thread Justin Hart

Good thing they didn't decide to call it krip, that might be dangerous!

Justin

On 5/3/06, Raymond Lewis Rebbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wednesday, May 3 2006 17:23, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:
 Does is also get the filenames, etc. from CDDB?

 Tony

As far as I know, yes it does do a cddb lookup for the cd. Although personally
I've always preferred kaudiocreator for cd ripping in kde.

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Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!

2006-05-03 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
Congratulations!

You just discovered, why some people (like me) really love KDE, Konqueror and 
the kioslaves.
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Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!

2006-05-03 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 03:07, Raymond Lewis Rebbeck 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka 
moment!':
 Although
 personally I've always preferred kaudiocreator for cd ripping in kde.

I have to agree.  In no small part because I rip to FLAC for permanent 
storage then transcode as needed to fit a bajillion songs on a portable 
device / ogg CD.

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it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest
clue what's best for them in terms of package stability.
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Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!

2006-05-03 Thread Anthony E. Caudel
Raymond Lewis Rebbeck wrote:
 On Wednesday, May 3 2006 17:23, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:
 
Does is also get the filenames, etc. from CDDB?

Tony
 
 
 As far as I know, yes it does do a cddb lookup for the cd. Although 
 personally 
 I've always preferred kaudiocreator for cd ripping in kde.
 
I can't get kaudiocreator to compile.  It wants arts and I don't use arts.

Tony
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Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!

2006-05-03 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 20:08, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 On Wednesday 03 May 2006 03:07, Raymond Lewis Rebbeck
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka

 moment!':
  Although
  personally I've always preferred kaudiocreator for cd ripping in kde.

 I have to agree.  In no small part because I rip to FLAC for permanent
 storage then transcode as needed to fit a bajillion songs on a portable
 device / ogg CD.

you can use audiocd:// for that too. There is a nice FLAC directory. Just copy 
it
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Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) A eureka moment!

2006-05-03 Thread b.n.
You just discovered, why some people (like me) really love KDE, Konqueror and 
the kioslaves.


Also for the LOL moments it can give us on the gentoo mailing list :D

m.
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