[gentoo-user] 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit installation
Hi, I lurk on the LKML, say hi once in awhile, ask a question once in awhile, and try to read at least the interesting to a non-programmer posts. I was curious about this one that came up today. Seems like this is a natural for Gentoo. I have a Gentoo 64-bit setup but have had lots of troubles over the years (far less now though) with web media and other things that need to be more Windows compatible. (I do audio work with my Gentoo boxes - interface to studios and a few bands, etc) I've found that my 32-bit Gentoo installations have been more compatible than 64-bit. Outside stuff like Java is better. In general when I have a problem I wonder if it's because I'm running 64-bit. How would one go about building a 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit machine with Gentoo? I presume that's mostly just how I configure the kernel, along with maybe some cross-compile options? Are there any projects going on in this area where I might become a test case? Wiki? Docs? Do others see value - getting 64-bit memory management, new CPU flags, etc., but keeping the apps 32-bit for compatibility? Take care, Mark SNIP On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, H. Peter Anvin wrote: A major problem is that distros don't seem to be willing to push 64-bit kernels for 32-bit distros. There are a number of good (and not-so-good) reasons why users may want to run a 32-bit userspace, but not running a 64-bit kernel on capable hardware is just problematic. Yeah, that's just stupid. A 64-bit kernel should work well with 32-bit tools, and while we've occasionally had compat issues (the intel gfx people used to claim that they needed to work with a 32-bit kernel because they cared about 32-bit tools), they aren't unfixable or even all _that_ common. And they'd be even less common if the whole 64-bit kernel even if you do a 32-bit distro was more common. The nice thing about a 64-bit kernel is that you should be able to build one even if you don't in general have all the 64-bit libraries. So you don't need a full 64-bit development environment, you just need a compiler that can generate code for both (and that should be the default on x86 these days). Linus SNIP
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit Firefox + java?
Use icedtea from the java-overlay. Works beautifully for me on ff3 Pariksheet On 1/22/09, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Donnerstag 22 Januar 2009, Grant wrote: I recently switched from firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper to 64-bit firefox and the latest flash, and I just realized java no longer works. Do I need to go back to firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper for java to work? Which java are you using? Sun's java didn't have a 64-bit browser plug-in until very recently. http://blogs.sun.com/joshis/entry/finally_it_s_here_java That sounds great. Is it set up in portage yet? If so, can you tell me a package name? Not that I know of, it hasn't been released yet (still beta). I've read on the www that you can extract just the libnpjp2.so file from the archive and drop it in on top of your current sun-jre installation, then make a symlink to it your firefox plugins directory. I haven't actually tried it as I can't remember the last time I ran into java on the web. Thank you, I'll keep an eye on that. - Grant or just use konqueror which does not need java-plugin to displayuse java since it can use java directly. -- Sent from my mobile device
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit Firefox + java?
Use icedtea from the java-overlay. Works beautifully for me on ff3
Pariksheet
I'd like to give that a try but I get:
# emerge icedtea6
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N] dev-java/icedtea6-1.3.1-r2 USE=nsplugin -cacao
-debug -doc -examples -javascript -pulseaudio -shark -zero
* Error: circular dependencies:
('ebuild', '/', 'dev-java/icedtea6-1.3.1-r2', 'merge') depends on
('ebuild', '/', 'dev-java/icedtea6-1.3.1-r2', 'merge') (hard)
* Note that circular dependencies can often be avoided by temporarily
* disabling USE flags that trigger optional dependencies.
Does anyone know how to resolve this? I tried disabling the nsplugin
USE flag with the same result.
- Grant
I recently switched from firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper to 64-bit
firefox and the latest flash, and I just realized java no longer
works. Do I need to go back to firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper for
java to work?
Which java are you using? Sun's java didn't have a 64-bit browser
plug-in until very recently.
http://blogs.sun.com/joshis/entry/finally_it_s_here_java
That sounds great. Is it set up in portage yet? If so, can you tell
me a package name?
Not that I know of, it hasn't been released yet (still beta). I've
read on the www that you can extract just the libnpjp2.so file from
the archive and drop it in on top of your current sun-jre
installation, then make a symlink to it your firefox plugins
directory. I haven't actually tried it as I can't remember the last
time I ran into java on the web.
Thank you, I'll keep an eye on that.
- Grant
or just use konqueror which does not need java-plugin to displayuse java
since it can use java directly.
[gentoo-user] 64-bit Firefox + java?
I recently switched from firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper to 64-bit firefox and the latest flash, and I just realized java no longer works. Do I need to go back to firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper for java to work? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit Firefox + java?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I recently switched from firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper to 64-bit firefox and the latest flash, and I just realized java no longer works. Do I need to go back to firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper for java to work? - Grant Welcome to the real world of 64-bit Linux. 1) You should really start using the Gentoo-AMD64 list as you'll probably find more of us folks using 64-bit there. 2) TTBOMK there is no complete set of solutions that cover Java and Flash in 64-bit broswers, but I've stopped paying much attention any more. That's something that just doesn't work well for me on this machine. HTH, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit Firefox + java?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I recently switched from firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper to 64-bit firefox and the latest flash, and I just realized java no longer works. Do I need to go back to firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper for java to work? Which java are you using? Sun's java didn't have a 64-bit browser plug-in until very recently. http://blogs.sun.com/joshis/entry/finally_it_s_here_java
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit Firefox + java?
I recently switched from firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper to 64-bit firefox and the latest flash, and I just realized java no longer works. Do I need to go back to firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper for java to work? Which java are you using? Sun's java didn't have a 64-bit browser plug-in until very recently. http://blogs.sun.com/joshis/entry/finally_it_s_here_java That sounds great. Is it set up in portage yet? If so, can you tell me a package name? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit Firefox + java?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I recently switched from firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper to 64-bit firefox and the latest flash, and I just realized java no longer works. Do I need to go back to firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper for java to work? Which java are you using? Sun's java didn't have a 64-bit browser plug-in until very recently. http://blogs.sun.com/joshis/entry/finally_it_s_here_java That sounds great. Is it set up in portage yet? If so, can you tell me a package name? Not that I know of, it hasn't been released yet (still beta). I've read on the www that you can extract just the libnpjp2.so file from the archive and drop it in on top of your current sun-jre installation, then make a symlink to it your firefox plugins directory. I haven't actually tried it as I can't remember the last time I ran into java on the web.
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit Firefox + java?
I recently switched from firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper to 64-bit firefox and the latest flash, and I just realized java no longer works. Do I need to go back to firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper for java to work? Which java are you using? Sun's java didn't have a 64-bit browser plug-in until very recently. http://blogs.sun.com/joshis/entry/finally_it_s_here_java That sounds great. Is it set up in portage yet? If so, can you tell me a package name? Not that I know of, it hasn't been released yet (still beta). I've read on the www that you can extract just the libnpjp2.so file from the archive and drop it in on top of your current sun-jre installation, then make a symlink to it your firefox plugins directory. I haven't actually tried it as I can't remember the last time I ran into java on the web. Thank you, I'll keep an eye on that. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit Firefox + java?
On Donnerstag 22 Januar 2009, Grant wrote: I recently switched from firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper to 64-bit firefox and the latest flash, and I just realized java no longer works. Do I need to go back to firefox-bin and nspluginwrapper for java to work? Which java are you using? Sun's java didn't have a 64-bit browser plug-in until very recently. http://blogs.sun.com/joshis/entry/finally_it_s_here_java That sounds great. Is it set up in portage yet? If so, can you tell me a package name? Not that I know of, it hasn't been released yet (still beta). I've read on the www that you can extract just the libnpjp2.so file from the archive and drop it in on top of your current sun-jre installation, then make a symlink to it your firefox plugins directory. I haven't actually tried it as I can't remember the last time I ran into java on the web. Thank you, I'll keep an eye on that. - Grant or just use konqueror which does not need java-plugin to displayuse java since it can use java directly.
{Spam?} Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit blues: ndiswrapper
Grant wrote: The built-in Atheros AR5006EG wireless adapter in my Acer Aspire 4720Z laptop doesn't work with madwifi-ng yet. Hmm. My AR5006EG works just fine with madwifi-ng. ;-) 64-bits just aren't worth it on the desktop. They are if you have 4G RAM or more. ;-) Be lucky, Neil -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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The built-in Atheros AR5006EG wireless adapter in my Acer Aspire 4720Z laptop doesn't work with madwifi-ng yet. Hmm. My AR5006EG works just fine with madwifi-ng. ;-) Is that right? Which version of madwifi-ng are you using? What does it say in dmesg? Everyone is having the same trouble as I am here: http://madwifi.org/ticket/859 Is your card built into a laptop? If so, which brand? Thanks for your time. - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit blues: ndiswrapper
The built-in Atheros AR5006EG wireless adapter in my Acer Aspire 4720Z laptop doesn't work with madwifi-ng yet. ndiswrapper is reported to work on ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net but there is no 64-bit driver listed. I've found a 64-bit Vista driver but ndiswrapper doesn't work with Vista drivers. Is there any way to use a 32-bit driver with ndiswrapper on a 64-bit system? If this wireless card is impossible to use on a 64-bit Linux system I guess I'll buy a PCI Express or USB card. Any form factor, manufacturer, or chipset recommendations? - Grant P.S. 64-bits just aren't worth it on the desktop. I have used the windows 64 from here; http://www.atheros.cz/ I tried that but I get in dmesg: ndiswrapper version 1.50 loaded (smp=yes, preempt=no) ndiswrapper (link_pe_images:576): fixing KI_USER_SHARED_DATA address in the driver ndiswrapper: driver net5211 (,06/21/2007,5.3.0.56) loaded ACPI: PCI Interrupt :04:00.0[A] - GSI 17 (level, low) - IRQ 17 ndiswrapper (ZwClose:2227): closing handle 0x0 not implemented PCI: Setting latency timer of device :04:00.0 to 64 ndiswrapper (NdisWriteErrorLogEntry:191): log: C0001389, count: 4, return_address: 8809a56e ndiswrapper (NdisWriteErrorLogEntry:194): code: 0x14858800 ndiswrapper (NdisWriteErrorLogEntry:194): code: 0x28 ndiswrapper (NdisWriteErrorLogEntry:194): code: 0x100ca000 ndiswrapper (NdisWriteErrorLogEntry:194): code: 0x100ca000 ndiswrapper (mp_init:216): couldn't initialize device: C09A ndiswrapper (pnp_start_device:439): Windows driver couldn't initialize the device (C001) ndiswrapper (mp_halt:259): device 810017576700 is not initialized - not halting ndiswrapper: device eth%d removed ACPI: PCI interrupt for device :04:00.0 disabled ndiswrapper: probe of :04:00.0 failed with error -22 Does that mean Acer uses a special implementation of AR5006EG that won't work with the standard AR5006EG driver? - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
{Spam?} [gentoo-user] 64-bit blues: ndiswrapper
Grant wrote: Which version of madwifi-ng are you using? 0.9.3.3 What does it say in dmesg? ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel. ath_hal: 0.9.18.0 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) wlan: 0.8.4.2 (0.9.3.3) ath_pci: 0.9.4.5 (0.9.3.3) ACPI: PCI Interrupt :02:00.0[A] - GSI 24 (level, low) - IRQ 24 PCI: Setting latency timer of device :02:00.0 to 64 ath_rate_sample: 1.2 (0.9.3.3) wifi0: 11b rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps wifi0: 11g rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps wifi0: H/W encryption support: WEP AES AES_CCM TKIP wifi0: mac 10.0 phy 6.1 radio 10.2 wifi0: Use hw queue 1 for WME_AC_BE traffic wifi0: Use hw queue 0 for WME_AC_BK traffic wifi0: Use hw queue 2 for WME_AC_VI traffic wifi0: Use hw queue 3 for WME_AC_VO traffic wifi0: Use hw queue 8 for CAB traffic wifi0: Use hw queue 9 for beacons wifi0: Atheros 5424/2424: mem=0xca80, irq=24 Is your card built into a laptop? Yes. If so, which brand? It's made by Evesham Micros, a UK company, based on a Mitac chassis. Be lucky, Neil -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: {Spam?} [gentoo-user] 64-bit blues: ndiswrapper
Which version of madwifi-ng are you using? 0.9.3.3 What does it say in dmesg? ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel. ath_hal: 0.9.18.0 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) wlan: 0.8.4.2 (0.9.3.3) ath_pci: 0.9.4.5 (0.9.3.3) ACPI: PCI Interrupt :02:00.0[A] - GSI 24 (level, low) - IRQ 24 PCI: Setting latency timer of device :02:00.0 to 64 ath_rate_sample: 1.2 (0.9.3.3) wifi0: 11b rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps wifi0: 11g rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps wifi0: H/W encryption support: WEP AES AES_CCM TKIP wifi0: mac 10.0 phy 6.1 radio 10.2 wifi0: Use hw queue 1 for WME_AC_BE traffic wifi0: Use hw queue 0 for WME_AC_BK traffic wifi0: Use hw queue 2 for WME_AC_VI traffic wifi0: Use hw queue 3 for WME_AC_VO traffic wifi0: Use hw queue 8 for CAB traffic wifi0: Use hw queue 9 for beacons wifi0: Atheros 5424/2424: mem=0xca80, irq=24 Is your card built into a laptop? Yes. If so, which brand? It's made by Evesham Micros, a UK company, based on a Mitac chassis. Thanks Neil. This Acer one must be different. - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] 64-bit blues: ndiswrapper
The built-in Atheros AR5006EG wireless adapter in my Acer Aspire 4720Z laptop doesn't work with madwifi-ng yet. ndiswrapper is reported to work on ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net but there is no 64-bit driver listed. I've found a 64-bit Vista driver but ndiswrapper doesn't work with Vista drivers. Is there any way to use a 32-bit driver with ndiswrapper on a 64-bit system? If this wireless card is impossible to use on a 64-bit Linux system I guess I'll buy a PCI Express or USB card. Any form factor, manufacturer, or chipset recommendations? - Grant P.S. 64-bits just aren't worth it on the desktop. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit blues: ndiswrapper
Grant wrote: The built-in Atheros AR5006EG wireless adapter in my Acer Aspire 4720Z laptop doesn't work with madwifi-ng yet. ndiswrapper is reported to work on ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net but there is no 64-bit driver listed. I've found a 64-bit Vista driver but ndiswrapper doesn't work with Vista drivers. Is there any way to use a 32-bit driver with ndiswrapper on a 64-bit system? If this wireless card is impossible to use on a 64-bit Linux system I guess I'll buy a PCI Express or USB card. Any form factor, manufacturer, or chipset recommendations? - Grant P.S. 64-bits just aren't worth it on the desktop. I have used the windows 64 from here; http://www.atheros.cz/ -- Powered by GNU/Linux -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit system?
But besides that - my AMD64 3000+ just rocks. I had definitely much more problems with 64-bit XP, but since getting rid of it (XP not problems) I am fully 64-bit positive :D Getting a bit Off-Topic but I'm extremely disappointed with XP x64. I upgraded from Pro (32) thinking I'd basically get XP but with a few broken apps (nothing I run). Turns out ActiveSync won't run in x64 despite M$ saying it does and HP won't write drivers for my LaserJet 1012 which is funny given the hpijs driver I thought was supported(sorta) by HP (a couple of HP techs work on the prject I thought). This means I have to use a Generic LaserJet driver that doesn't give me the feature set I expect from my printer.. On the flip side, with the fresh install, VMware is actually quite snappy. I can now compile X in VMware, listen to a mp3 stream in winamp, and play The Sims 2 all at once without lag. Of course 2GB of RAM will do that to ya. :) -Drew -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit system?
You'll only notice a speed increase with applications that need to caculate very large numbers, like encryption keys and certain scientific apps. Everything else will basically run just as fast in 32-bit mode as it will in 64-bit. There are exceptions in certain media encoders that don't have hardware optimizations for 64-bit, that may actually run faster as 32-bit apps. Well, the registers are not only twice longer, but there is twice as much of them as in 32-bit. And THIS is what optimising compilers are fond of. More registers mean less in-memory temporary variables, which in turn means less memory accesses. This gives speed improvement. For SMP systems it gives huge difference - as the memory is shared between CPUs and they must fight for it. I have an amd64 system for over a year (or is it 2-yrs?). I had some glitches: * Need to use binary 32-bit firefox to have flash - still have problems with some fonts not appearing in flash * Need to use 32-bit java to make 32-bit OpenOffice happy * Some forensic packages won't compile on 64-bit due to bad coding techniques But besides that - my AMD64 3000+ just rocks. I had definitely much more problems with 64-bit XP, but since getting rid of it (XP not problems) I am fully 64-bit positive :D That's what I just bought. A Sempron64 3000+. So, if there isn't an amd64 package available, I can always use x86? Does portage make it easy to do this? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] 64-bit system?
I'm putting together a new system and I'm considering going 64-bit. Is the benefit of such a system pretty much speed? What are the drawbacks of using a 64-bit system with Gentoo? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit system?
Grant wrote: I'm putting together a new system and I'm considering going 64-bit. Is the benefit of such a system pretty much speed? What are the drawbacks of using a 64-bit system with Gentoo? - Grant Some stuff is not available for the 64 bit arch, for example you have to use a 32 bit firefox if you want to use flash. On the other hand, i recently installed a 64 bit gentoo and it runs very well!, nevertheless, i dont now if the speed increase is precisely enormous compared with a 32 bit system. hope it helps Rafael -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit system?
Selon Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm putting together a new system and I'm considering going 64-bit. Is the benefit of such a system pretty much speed? What are the drawbacks of using a 64-bit system with Gentoo? None if you don't need Flash. On the other hand, I needed and used integers 32 bits in only one occasion in a development. As for speed: boy, those new processors (an amd 3800 x2 in my case) are fast... as are their 32 bits equivalent. 64 bits register have been available on every workstations architecture for years, but on Intel / amd. Return to the present. -- ~adj~ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit system?
On 9/18/06, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm putting together a new system and I'm considering going 64-bit. Is the benefit of such a system pretty much speed? What are the drawbacks of using a 64-bit system with Gentoo? You'll only notice a speed increase with applications that need to caculate very large numbers, like encryption keys and certain scientific apps. Everything else will basically run just as fast in 32-bit mode as it will in 64-bit. There are exceptions in certain media encoders that don't have hardware optimizations for 64-bit, that may actually run faster as 32-bit apps. Anyway, I think this article summed it up pretty well: http://lwn.net/Articles/199229/ -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit system?
I'm putting together a new system and I'm considering going 64-bit. Is the benefit of such a system pretty much speed? What are the drawbacks of using a 64-bit system with Gentoo? You'll only notice a speed increase with applications that need to caculate very large numbers, like encryption keys and certain scientific apps. Everything else will basically run just as fast in 32-bit mode as it will in 64-bit. There are exceptions in certain media encoders that don't have hardware optimizations for 64-bit, that may actually run faster as 32-bit apps. Anyway, I think this article summed it up pretty well: http://lwn.net/Articles/199229/ -Richard Ok, doesn't sound like too much benefit for me. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit system?
Am Montag, 18. September 2006 16:18 schrieb Grant: I'm putting together a new system and I'm considering going 64-bit. Is the benefit of such a system pretty much speed? What are the drawbacks of using a 64-bit system with Gentoo? - Grant Hi I have a 32 bit version and a 64 bit version of (mostly stable) Gentoo on the same PC and when playing gl-117 I get (assuming everything is set on the highest quality in gl-117) around 15 - 20 FPS on the 32 bit Gentoo and around 30 - 40 FPS on 64 bit Gentoo. This is not too representative, especially since not all libs and progs are exactly the same version on both installations, but I still think this shows 64 bit CAN make a big difference, depending on what you plan to do with your new system. Gian -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit system?
As for speed: boy, those new processors (an amd 3800 x2 in my case) are fast... as are their 32 bits equivalent. Considering the 3800+ x2 (ditto here) runs at a real speed of 2GHz vs the 1.8GHz my old Athlon XPm2500+ did in stock configuation, I'd say so. Of course tweak the XPm to a real 2.5GHz (or higher) and watch it run circles around everything else in my collection. Who needs ricer flags when you have ricer hardware? ;-) -Drew -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64-bit system?
Dnia poniedziałek, 18 września 2006 17:49, Richard Fish napisał: You'll only notice a speed increase with applications that need to caculate very large numbers, like encryption keys and certain scientific apps. Everything else will basically run just as fast in 32-bit mode as it will in 64-bit. There are exceptions in certain media encoders that don't have hardware optimizations for 64-bit, that may actually run faster as 32-bit apps. Well, the registers are not only twice longer, but there is twice as much of them as in 32-bit. And THIS is what optimising compilers are fond of. More registers mean less in-memory temporary variables, which in turn means less memory accesses. This gives speed improvement. For SMP systems it gives huge difference - as the memory is shared between CPUs and they must fight for it. I have an amd64 system for over a year (or is it 2-yrs?). I had some glitches: * Need to use binary 32-bit firefox to have flash - still have problems with some fonts not appearing in flash * Need to use 32-bit java to make 32-bit OpenOffice happy * Some forensic packages won't compile on 64-bit due to bad coding techniques But besides that - my AMD64 3000+ just rocks. I had definitely much more problems with 64-bit XP, but since getting rid of it (XP not problems) I am fully 64-bit positive :D -- Pawel Kraszewski www.kraszewscy.net -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:11:16 +, Jamie Dobbs wrote: Almost everything has 64 bit versions, and those that don't, you can run as 32 bit. The main problem is proprietary plugins, so use firefox-bin to get the 32 bit compiled version, then you can install the plugins. 32 bit plugins won't work with a Firefox compiled for 64 bit. But surely if you emerge firefox-bin on a amd64 system it will, by default, install the 64 bit version of the application? Or is there a magic trick to getting it to use 32 bit? There is no 64 bit binary version. You only get a 64 bit version if you compile it yourself. -- Neil Bothwick PC DOS Error #04: Out of disk space. Delete Windows? (Y)es (H)ell yes! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
On Thursday 08 December 2005 05:41, Jamie Dobbs wrote: But surely if you emerge firefox-bin on a amd64 system it will, by default, install the 64 bit version of the application? Or is there a magic trick to getting it to use 32 bit? AFAIK, firefox-bin, thunderbird-bin, mplayer-bin and openoffice-bin are all 32 bit. I don't know of any other bin packages in portage. But it makes perfect sense to keep the 32 bit bin packages in portage. Regards, Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
On Thursday 08 December 2005 11:01, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: On Thursday 08 December 2005 05:41, Jamie Dobbs wrote: But surely if you emerge firefox-bin on a amd64 system it will, by default, install the 64 bit version of the application? Or is there a magic trick to getting it to use 32 bit? AFAIK, firefox-bin, thunderbird-bin, mplayer-bin and openoffice-bin are all 32 bit. I don't know of any other bin packages in portage. But it makes perfect sense to keep the 32 bit bin packages in portage. Regards, Mrugesh how about Opera? what is proper way to determin is it 32 or 64 app? there isn't such thing as opera-bin in portage however it must be 32 bit. i keep it'cause works with netscape-flash. martins -- Linux 2.6.15-rc2 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ 11:40:32 up 10:26, 4 users, load average: 1.44, 1.41, 1.77 pgpzxtn9ORRkT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 11:55:12AM +0200, Martins Steinbergs wrote: On Thursday 08 December 2005 11:01, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: On Thursday 08 December 2005 05:41, Jamie Dobbs wrote: But surely if you emerge firefox-bin on a amd64 system it will, by default, install the 64 bit version of the application? Or is there a magic trick to getting it to use 32 bit? AFAIK, firefox-bin, thunderbird-bin, mplayer-bin and openoffice-bin are all 32 bit. I don't know of any other bin packages in portage. But it makes perfect sense to keep the 32 bit bin packages in portage. Regards, Mrugesh how about Opera? what is proper way to determin is it 32 or 64 app? there isn't such thing as opera-bin in portage however it must be 32 bit. i keep it'cause works with netscape-flash. Try the command file on your opera binary, and it will says to you if its an elf 32 or 64 bit. there is no opera-bin in portage because opera exist only in binary so we dont care about it. Sorry for my english im french !!! martins -- Linux 2.6.15-rc2 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ 11:40:32 up 10:26, 4 users, load average: 1.44, 1.41, 1.77 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:55:12 +0200, Martins Steinbergs wrote: how about Opera? what is proper way to determin is it 32 or 64 app? there isn't such thing as opera-bin in portage however it must be 32 bit. i keep it'cause works with netscape-flash. There's no opera-bin because the standard opera package is a binary. ldd shows that it links to libraries in /emul/linux/x86/usr/lib/ - so it is 32 bit. -- Neil Bothwick Documentation: (n.) a novel sold with software, designed to entertain the operator during episodes of bugs or glitches. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
On Thursday 08 December 2005 15:25, Martins Steinbergs wrote: how about Opera? what is proper way to determin is it 32 or 64 app? there isn't such thing as opera-bin in portage however it must be 32 bit. i keep it'cause works with netscape-flash. martins I'm also using Opera on the same system. It's 32 bit and works perfectly with netscape-flash, which of course is 32 bit too. I just haven't been able to figure out how to get Sun's JRE to work with Opera though. It works fine with Firefox. So I use Firefox-bin and/or Opera for websites with Flash. Firefox-bin for Java. Though I also use Konqueror with Blackdown JDK, which is 64 bit, for Java stuff too. And there's Mozilla with VLC plugin for streaming stuff. Cheers, Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
Opera is closed source, I believe. Therefore it'd be using the same binary that everyone else is using.On 12/8/05, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Thursday 08 December 2005 15:25, Martins Steinbergs wrote: how about Opera? what is proper way to determin is it 32 or 64 app? there isn't such thing as opera-bin in portage however it must be 32 bit. i keep it'cause works with netscape-flash. martinsI'm also using Opera on the same system. It's 32 bit and works perfectly withnetscape-flash, which of course is 32 bit too. I just haven't been able tofigure out how to get Sun's JRE to work with Opera though. It works fine with Firefox.So I use Firefox-bin and/or Opera for websites with Flash. Firefox-bin forJava. Though I also use Konqueror with Blackdown JDK, which is 64 bit, forJava stuff too. And there's Mozilla with VLC plugin for streaming stuff. Cheers,Mrugesh--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- Steven Susbauer
[gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
I'm about to install gentoo on an athlon64. Is there enough 64 bit software and other good reasons to use the 64 bit version? Although a long time linux user, I'm not particularly skilled at dealing with problems (a slow learning or just thick headed I guess). But have cross posted this to hear from both 32 and 64 bit advocates. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
Harry Putnam wrote: I'm about to install gentoo on an athlon64. Is there enough 64 bit software and other good reasons to use the 64 bit version? Although a long time linux user, I'm not particularly skilled at dealing with problems (a slow learning or just thick headed I guess). But have cross posted this to hear from both 32 and 64 bit advocates. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list we are currently replacing ALL of our 32-bit servers with 64-bit opterons (dual core in some cases) and have found very few serverish things we wanted to do that weren't supported. Most of these are webservers running zope and squid, with some running apache. Our applications developers had to change a few things to accomodate the 64-bit python, but other than that, pretty much a slam-dunk. Not running x or any desktops, though, so depending on your workload, your milage may vary. -- John Jolet Your On-Demand IT Department 512-762-0729 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jolet.net -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Harry Putnam wrote: I'm about to install gentoo on an athlon64. Is there enough 64 bit software and other good reasons to use the 64 bit version? Although a long time linux user, I'm not particularly skilled at dealing with problems (a slow learning or just thick headed I guess). But have cross posted this to hear from both 32 and 64 bit advocates. Hi, I'm also curious to the answers to this question ;-) I just received (yesterday) my new AMD64 comp, and am busy installing it too as 64bit. I found this link which does answer quite a lot: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-amd64-faq.xml This does however not say if users are successfully using 64bit systems, and if there are actual advantages to it (double-libraries for some programs etc etc). Greetings Ralph -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDlv7vCt0ZF9kLPvYRArUbAKCVh7HSK4KKdaNbhgBrWnd+4H8XwACePKlH TaCWrL1mCfjllBQBq2JyVQc= =Z4kq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 17:25, Ralph Slooten wrote: Harry Putnam wrote: I'm about to install gentoo on an athlon64. Is there enough 64 bit software and other good reasons to use the 64 bit version? Although a long time linux user, I'm not particularly skilled at dealing with problems (a slow learning or just thick headed I guess). But have cross posted this to hear from both 32 and 64 bit advocates. Hi, I'm also curious to the answers to this question ;-) I just received (yesterday) my new AMD64 comp, and am busy installing it too as 64bit. I found this link which does answer quite a lot: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-amd64-faq.xml This does however not say if users are successfully using 64bit systems, and if there are actual advantages to it (double-libraries for some programs etc etc). Greetings Ralph hi, kde-3.5 desktop with 512 RAM and few webapps on local apache2+php+mysql runs fine here. martins -- Linux 2.6.15-rc2 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ 18:33:42 up 6:20, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.08 pgpsEc1OMZWQv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
What about things like nvidia drivers, flash and java? (Obviously I could also just look through gentoo-portage.com...). Does firefox run in 64 bit? What about xmms and full alsa?I'm about to mess with my new system once I get the video card, it too is an AMD64. On 12/7/05, Martins Steinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 07 December 2005 17:25, Ralph Slooten wrote: Harry Putnam wrote: I'm about to install gentoo on an athlon64.Is there enough 64 bit software and other good reasons to use the 64 bit version? Although a long time linux user, I'm not particularly skilled at dealing with problems (a slow learning or just thick headed I guess). But have cross posted this to hear from both 32 and 64 bit advocates. Hi, I'm also curious to the answers to this question ;-) I just received (yesterday) my new AMD64 comp, and am busy installing it too as 64bit. I found this link which does answer quite a lot: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-amd64-faq.xml This does however notsay if users are successfully using 64bit systems, and if there are actual advantages to it (double-libraries for some programs etc etc). Greetings Ralphhi, kde-3.5 desktop with 512 RAM and few webapps on local apache2+php+mysqlruns fine here.martins--Linux 2.6.15-rc2 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ 18:33:42 up6:20,6 users,load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.08-- Steven Susbauer
Re: [gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 23:14, Steven Susbauer wrote: What about things like nvidia drivers, flash and java? (Obviously I could also just look through gentoo-portage.com...). Does firefox run in 64 bit? What about xmms and full alsa? I'm about to mess with my new system once I get the video card, it too is an AMD64. I have an NVIDIA card. NVIDIA has 64 drivers. Works perfectly. To run Firefox with Flash and Sun's Java, you can use 32 bit firefox-bin. Works perfectly fine when Flash is installed via Portage. As for Sun's JRE, you'll need to extract it yourself and just add a link to its plugin so in mozilla's plugins directory. This information is available in the AMD64 related documents on http://gentoo-wiki.com I also compiled Mozilla with VLC plugin for streaming stuff. Mplayer-bin which is 32 bit, is also installed for win32codecs to work. I don't use XMMS, I use amaroK. Works perfectly. So does ALSA. There's a nice guide in GPD for creating 32 bit chroots. Check it out. HTH, Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:30:10 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: I'm about to install gentoo on an athlon64. Is there enough 64 bit software and other good reasons to use the 64 bit version? Almost everything has 64 bit versions, and those that don't, you can run as 32 bit. The main problem is proprietary plugins, so use firefox-bin to get the 32 bit compiled version, then you can install the plugins. 32 bit plugins won't work with a Firefox compiled for 64 bit. -- Neil Bothwick Run with scissors. Remove mattress tags. Top post. Be a rebel. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] 64 bit or not
On 12/8/2005, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:30:10 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: I'm about to install gentoo on an athlon64. Is there enough 64 bit software and other good reasons to use the 64 bit version? Almost everything has 64 bit versions, and those that don't, you can run as 32 bit. The main problem is proprietary plugins, so use firefox-bin to get the 32 bit compiled version, then you can install the plugins. 32 bit plugins won't work with a Firefox compiled for 64 bit. But surely if you emerge firefox-bin on a amd64 system it will, by default, install the 64 bit version of the application? Or is there a magic trick to getting it to use 32 bit? -- Neil Bothwick Run with scissors. Remove mattress tags. Top post. Be a rebel. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
