Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
On Monday 26 October 2009 23:07:37 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 00:45:07 Mick wrote: I have been trying to get this to work for some time now. I have followed this upgrade guide and modified my /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-xinput-configuration.fdi to include merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge This didn't work, so I looked further and found out that the input.xkb.options is deprecated and instead I should use: merge key=input.x11_options.XkbOptions type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge as detailed in here: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/config/x11-input.fdi Anyway, neither will work. Is there any other syntax I should try, or is perhaps 10-xinput-configuration.fdi the wrong file for this? This config works for me: $ cat /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-x11-input.fdi ?xml version=1.0 encoding=ISO-8859-1? deviceinfo version=0.2 device !-- KVM emulates a USB graphics tablet which works in absolute coordinate mode -- match key=input.product contains=QEMU USB Tablet merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge /match !-- FIXME: Support tablets too. -- match key=info.capabilities contains=input.mouse merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringmouse/merge match key=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.kernel.name string=Linux merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge /match /match match key=info.capabilities contains=input.tablet match key=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.kernel.name string=Linux merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge /match /match match key=info.capabilities contains=input.touchpad merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringmouse/merge match key=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.kernel.name string=Linux merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge /match /match match key=info.capabilities contains=input.keys !-- If we're using Linux, we use evdev by default (falling back to keyboard otherwise). -- merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringkeyboard/merge match key=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.kernel.name string=Linux merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge /match /match /device /deviceinfo Thanks Alan, I can't see mine being that different to be honest, other than using the file /../policy/10-xinput-configuration.fdi instead of your /../policy/10-x11-input.fdi to make these entries. Would that be important? I can get the: merge key=input.x11_options.XkbOptions type=stringgrp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu work, or I can get the: merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge work, but not both at the same time. Here's my configuration in case you can see something amiss: # cat /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-xinput-configuration.fdi ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? deviceinfo version=0.2 !-- Keyboard configuration -- device match key=info.capabilities contains=input.keys [1] match key=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.kernel.name string=Linux merge key=input.x11_options.XkbModel type=stringpc105/merge merge key=input.x11_options.XkbLayout type=stringgb,el/merge merge key=input.x11_options.XkbOptions type=stringgrp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu/merge merge key=input.xkb.options [2] type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge /match /match /device !-- touchpad -- device match key=info.capabilities contains=input.touchpad match key=info.product contains=SynPS/2 merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringsynaptics/merge merge key=input.x11_options.SHMConfig type=stringtrue/merge merge key=input.x11_options.VertEdgeScroll type=stringtrue/merge merge key=input.x11_options.HorizEdgeScroll type=stringtrue/merge merge key=input.x11_options.TapButton1 type=string1/merge merge key=input.x11_options.ClickButton1 type=string1/merge /match /match /device /deviceinfo [1] I had this as: match key=info.capabilities contains=input.keyboard [2] I also tried: merge key=input.x11_options.XkbOptions type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
Am 27.10.2009 02:03, schrieb Dale: This is the sequence you tried I hope. This is copied from a message sent to me a loong time ago. Hold down Atl, hold down SysRq, press each of the keys in turn. The usual full sequence is R-E-I-S-U-B Yes, it is. But after E there is only darkness and no response to any other SysRq key. The ati-driver just don't want to be killed. With the open drivers all works as it should with SysRq but I like 3D-acceleration and that is by now far away for my chipset with open drivers. Greetings Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
if you are using gnome, gnome-keyboard-properties may helps. in the Layouts tab, there's a Layout Options button. click it and choose the Control + Alt + Backspace in Key sequence to kill the X server it seems setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp helps, too. ps: I'm new to this mailing-list and can not reply to former post 2009/10/27 Sebastian Beßler webmas...@darkmetatron.de Am 27.10.2009 02:03, schrieb Dale: This is the sequence you tried I hope. This is copied from a message sent to me a loong time ago. Hold down Atl, hold down SysRq, press each of the keys in turn. The usual full sequence is R-E-I-S-U-B Yes, it is. But after E there is only darkness and no response to any other SysRq key. The ati-driver just don't want to be killed. With the open drivers all works as it should with SysRq but I like 3D-acceleration and that is by now far away for my chipset with open drivers. Greetings Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 08:39:44 Mick wrote: Thanks Alan, I can't see mine being that different to be honest, other than using the file /../policy/10-xinput-configuration.fdi instead of your /../policy/10-x11-input.fdi to make these entries. Would that be important? Not as far as I know. The file names are arbitrary and the whole lot is concatenated to form one big config I can get the: merge key=input.x11_options.XkbOptions type=stringgrp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu work, or I can get the: merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge work, but not both at the same time. Here's my configuration in case you can see something amiss: Sorry, can't see anything wrong with your setup. Have you considered the possibility of a bug in hal? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
Am 27.10.2009 10:31, schrieb he zhitong: if you are using gnome, gnome-keyboard-properties may helps. in the Layouts tab, there's a Layout Options button. click it and choose the Control + Alt + Backspace in Key sequence to kill the X server it seems setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp helps, too. Yes that could work for the problem of the op. But settings in gnome-keyboard-properties (or its kde-counterpart) apply only after login or am I wrong? ps: I'm new to this mailing-list and can not reply to former post Welcome. Greetings Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
Sebastian Beßler writes: Am 27.10.2009 02:03, schrieb Dale: This is the sequence you tried I hope. This is copied from a message sent to me a loong time ago. Hold down Atl, hold down SysRq, press each of the keys in turn. The usual full sequence is R-E-I-S-U-B Yes, it is. But after E there is only darkness and no response to any other SysRq key. The ati-driver just don't want to be killed. Usually there is not need for the whole sequence, just Alt-SysRq-R, which takes the keyboard away from X. You can then switch to a text console with Ctrl-Alt-F1. However: Sometimes (well, most of the times during my last ATI struggles) the screen was still blank. But I could reboot with Ctrl-Alt-Del. And sometimes the system was so frozen even the SysRq trick did not help. But in cases when only HAL does not work and recognize the keyboard, Alt-SysRQ-R should work just fine. With the open drivers all works as it should with SysRq but I like 3D-acceleration and that is by now far away for my chipset with open drivers. I know how you feel, I also had huge problems with that. And then, all of a sudden, with the new 2.6.31-tuxonice kernel, everything was fine and working. Wonko
[gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
I have been trying to get this to work for some time now. I have followed this upgrade guide and modified my /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-xinput-configuration.fdi to include merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge This didn't work, so I looked further and found out that the input.xkb.options is deprecated and instead I should use: merge key=input.x11_options.XkbOptions type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge as detailed in here: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/config/x11-input.fdi Anyway, neither will work. Is there any other syntax I should try, or is perhaps 10-xinput-configuration.fdi the wrong file for this? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
try adding this to your xorg.conf: Section Serverflags Option DontZapFalse EndSection On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:45:07 +0100, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I have been trying to get this to work for some time now. I have followed this upgrade guide and modified my /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-xinput-configuration.fdi to include merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge This didn't work, so I looked further and found out that the input.xkb.options is deprecated and instead I should use: merge key=input.x11_options.XkbOptions type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge as detailed in here: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/config/x11-input.fdi Anyway, neither will work. Is there any other syntax I should try, or is perhaps 10-xinput-configuration.fdi the wrong file for this? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
On Monday 26 October 2009 22:55:39 Zeerak Waseem wrote: try adding this to your xorg.conf: Section Serverflags Option DontZapFalse EndSection Thanks, but without a xorg.conf file I found through some experimentation that the solution is to add: merge key=input.x11_options.XkbOptions type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi I don't really understand why the same entry is not recognised in the /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-xinput-configuration.fdi file. Furthermore, now my keyboard settings in the latter are no longer recognised. :-( -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 00:45:07 Mick wrote: I have been trying to get this to work for some time now. I have followed this upgrade guide and modified my /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-xinput-configuration.fdi to include merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge This didn't work, so I looked further and found out that the input.xkb.options is deprecated and instead I should use: merge key=input.x11_options.XkbOptions type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge as detailed in here: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/config/x11-input.fdi Anyway, neither will work. Is there any other syntax I should try, or is perhaps 10-xinput-configuration.fdi the wrong file for this? This config works for me: $ cat /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-x11-input.fdi ?xml version=1.0 encoding=ISO-8859-1? deviceinfo version=0.2 device !-- KVM emulates a USB graphics tablet which works in absolute coordinate mode -- match key=input.product contains=QEMU USB Tablet merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge /match !-- FIXME: Support tablets too. -- match key=info.capabilities contains=input.mouse merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringmouse/merge match key=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.kernel.name string=Linux merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge /match /match match key=info.capabilities contains=input.tablet match key=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.kernel.name string=Linux merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge /match /match match key=info.capabilities contains=input.touchpad merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringmouse/merge match key=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.kernel.name string=Linux merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge /match /match match key=info.capabilities contains=input.keys !-- If we're using Linux, we use evdev by default (falling back to keyboard otherwise). -- merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringkeyboard/merge match key=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.kernel.name string=Linux merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge /match /match /device /deviceinfo -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 00:45:07 Mick wrote: I have been trying to get this to work for some time now. I have followed this upgrade guide and modified my /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-xinput-configuration.fdi to include merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge This didn't work, so I looked further and found out that the input.xkb.options is deprecated and instead I should use: merge key=input.x11_options.XkbOptions type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge as detailed in here: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/config/x11-input.fdi Anyway, neither will work. Is there any other syntax I should try, or is perhaps 10-xinput-configuration.fdi the wrong file for this? This config works for me: $ cat /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-x11-input.fdi ?xml version=1.0 encoding=ISO-8859-1? deviceinfo version=0.2 device !-- KVM emulates a USB graphics tablet which works in absolute coordinate mode -- match key=input.product contains=QEMU USB Tablet merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge /match !-- FIXME: Support tablets too. -- match key=info.capabilities contains=input.mouse merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringmouse/merge match key=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.kernel.name string=Linux merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge /match /match match key=info.capabilities contains=input.tablet match key=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.kernel.name string=Linux merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge /match /match match key=info.capabilities contains=input.touchpad merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringmouse/merge match key=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.kernel.name string=Linux merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge /match /match match key=info.capabilities contains=input.keys !-- If we're using Linux, we use evdev by default (falling back to keyboard otherwise). -- merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringkeyboard/merge match key=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.kernel.name string=Linux merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge /match /match /device /deviceinfo You just got to love that hal. All that when one line does it in xorg.conf. Yep, it's a serious improvement over the old way. LOL Dale :-) :-) P. S. This was meant to be funny. Note the LOL at the end.
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
Seriously! ;-) You just got to love that hal. All that when one line does it in xorg.conf. Yep, it's a serious improvement over the old way. LOL Dale :-) :-) P. S. This was meant to be funny. Note the LOL at the end.
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 01:24:32 Dale wrote: You just got to love that hal. All that when one line does it in xorg.conf. Yep, it's a serious improvement over the old way. LOL Dale :-) :-) P. S. This was meant to be funny. Note the LOL at the end. You do understand that in order to cock something up good right and proper, there just HAS to be a computer involved, right? I think it's about time we let this hal thing drop though, I'm getting tired of the debate. In it's place, I nominate the latest humungeous package that replaces a simple one: pulseaudio :-) [note the smiley, in the same place you put a LOL] -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
Am 27.10.2009 00:50, schrieb Alan McKinnon: I think it's about time we let this hal thing drop though Even hal developers came to this reasons and droped it ;-) So WHY change everything to hal now if hal will be replaced in near future anyway? I changed keyboard and mouse layout back from hal and evdev a few weeks ago because hal crashes for me all the time and there was more then one time when I was sitting here and starring at the graphic login screen unable to do anything because with hal died at bootup there was no keyboard and mouse to use. I really, really hate hal so much.. Greetings Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 27.10.2009 00:50, schrieb Alan McKinnon: I think it's about time we let this hal thing drop though Even hal developers came to this reasons and droped it ;-) So WHY change everything to hal now if hal will be replaced in near future anyway? I changed keyboard and mouse layout back from hal and evdev a few weeks ago because hal crashes for me all the time and there was more then one time when I was sitting here and starring at the graphic login screen unable to do anything because with hal died at bootup there was no keyboard and mouse to use. I really, really hate hal so much.. Greetings Sebastian I'm just grateful for the geek that put the SysRq key sequence in the kernel. At least you can get back to a working console and fix the stupid thing. I two disabled hal weeks ago. I'm hopeful the next one will be a lot easier and better, not just for me but for everyone else too. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
Am 27.10.2009 01:27, schrieb Dale: I'm just grateful for the geek that put the SysRq key sequence in the kernel. At least you can get back to a working console and fix the stupid thing. I use ati-drivers here and killing xorg with SysRq only gets me a blank black screen and a system so deep frozen that even SysRq can't help anymore. So that makes my hate for hal only deeper and colder… Greetings Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+Alt+bksp in Xorg
Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 27.10.2009 01:27, schrieb Dale: I'm just grateful for the geek that put the SysRq key sequence in the kernel. At least you can get back to a working console and fix the stupid thing. I use ati-drivers here and killing xorg with SysRq only gets me a blank black screen and a system so deep frozen that even SysRq can't help anymore. So that makes my hate for hal only deeper and colder… Greetings Sebastian This is the sequence you tried I hope. This is copied from a message sent to me a loong time ago. Hold down Atl, hold down SysRq, press each of the keys in turn. The usual full sequence is R-E-I-S-U-B Reboot Even If System Utterly Broken I usually wait a few seconds between each one and only get to press about 2 or 3 when my console shows up. I am using a Nvidia card tho so it may be something different about ATI. Also, someone said a while back that you have to have that option built into the kernel. Have you checked to make sure you have it build in? I think the default is that it is there but never hurts to make certain. Dale :-) :-)
