Re: [gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
On Sunday 19 December 2010 21:35:57 Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 19 December 2010 13:17:51 Dale wrote: I found a how to. I read it. This is what I got out of it. It sounds like I need to let the modem use DHCP with the phone company. Correct. Then I need to set the ethernet that comes toward the router to say 192.168.1.2 then set the router to 192.168.1.5 or something to come to my puter. Those two addresses must be on the same network segment, but they aren't - you have your router in between (it routes traffic between one network segment and the other). The side of the router that's connected to the modem can have that address, but the side that's connected to your computers can't have 192.168.1.X. Try 192.168.2.1, say, and your computers 192.168.2.2, 192.168.2.3, ... Best I can figure, no two can have the same IP. Each device has two IPs, one coming in, one going out. Yes, each address belongs to an interface, not to a computer, modem etc. Think of it as the address of one end of a piece of wire. I think the how to may have made this worse. :-( Nah - sounds to me like you're getting there... :-) O. Light bulb moment here, I think. The modem has a network, even tho it only has one device connected to it. The router has its own network but can have 4 devices connected to it. So, if the modem has 192.168.1.1 255 then the router needs 192.168.2.1 255 which is two separate networks. If I follow you correctly, then yes So, if that is true, set the modem to 192.168.1.1 for its IP. Then set the router to to 192.168.2.1 for it's network. That would give my puter a IP and the second puter another IP and they can talk to each other since they are on the same network. Is my light bulb OK so far? If I follow you correctly, then yes In schema form: INTERNET --- DHCP from ISP [Modem] 192.168.1.1---192.168.1.2 [ROUTER] 192.168.2.1 - (Other PCs = 192.168.2.2...192.168.2.254) (Above should have been a single line) By the way, I feel asleep watching TV, missed my show too. The internet was still up when I got up. I think that setting on the modem got changed during a reset, upgrade on its software or something. It updates software automatically. Always usefull :/ Btw, if you use ADSL, an ADSL Modem/Router combination might be easier to maintain as then you have the Internet-address and LAN network done correctly with default settings. Or, if your Modem supports it, set it to bridge mode so your Router thinks it's connected directly to the ISP -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Sunday 19 December 2010 21:35:57 Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 19 December 2010 13:17:51 Dale wrote: I found a how to. I read it. This is what I got out of it. It sounds like I need to let the modem use DHCP with the phone company. Correct. Then I need to set the ethernet that comes toward the router to say 192.168.1.2 then set the router to 192.168.1.5 or something to come to my puter. Those two addresses must be on the same network segment, but they aren't - you have your router in between (it routes traffic between one network segment and the other). The side of the router that's connected to the modem can have that address, but the side that's connected to your computers can't have 192.168.1.X. Try 192.168.2.1, say, and your computers 192.168.2.2, 192.168.2.3, ... Best I can figure, no two can have the same IP. Each device has two IPs, one coming in, one going out. Yes, each address belongs to an interface, not to a computer, modem etc. Think of it as the address of one end of a piece of wire. I think the how to may have made this worse. :-( Nah - sounds to me like you're getting there... :-) O. Light bulb moment here, I think. The modem has a network, even tho it only has one device connected to it. The router has its own network but can have 4 devices connected to it. So, if the modem has 192.168.1.1255 then the router needs 192.168.2.1255 which is two separate networks. If I follow you correctly, then yes So, if that is true, set the modem to 192.168.1.1 for its IP. Then set the router to to 192.168.2.1 for it's network. That would give my puter a IP and the second puter another IP and they can talk to each other since they are on the same network. Is my light bulb OK so far? If I follow you correctly, then yes In schema form: INTERNET ---DHCP from ISP [Modem]192.168.1.1---192.168.1.2 [ROUTER] 192.168.2.1 - (Other PCs = 192.168.2.2...192.168.2.254) (Above should have been a single line) By the way, I feel asleep watching TV, missed my show too. The internet was still up when I got up. I think that setting on the modem got changed during a reset, upgrade on its software or something. It updates software automatically. Always usefull :/ Btw, if you use ADSL, an ADSL Modem/Router combination might be easier to maintain as then you have the Internet-address and LAN network done correctly with default settings. Or, if your Modem supports it, set it to bridge mode so your Router thinks it's connected directly to the ISP -- Joost I got to do some more work then. Right now, I can see the router but I can't get to the modem. I did get a static IP for my puter but I think I need to adjust it based on what you said was correct. Even tho I can't get to the modem, the internet works. Sort of weird but I think I know why. I'll play with it some in a little bit. Is there a tool that will show how the network is set up? Sort of like a flow chart? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
On 19/12/2010, at 8:35pm, Dale wrote: ... O. Light bulb moment here, I think. The modem has a network, even tho it only has one device connected to it. The router has its own network but can have 4 devices connected to it. So, if the modem has 192.168.1.1 255 then the router needs 192.168.2.1 255 which is two separate networks. So, if that is true, set the modem to 192.168.1.1 for its IP. Then set the router to to 192.168.2.1 for it's network. That would give my puter a IP and the second puter another IP and they can talk to each other since they are on the same network. Is my light bulb OK so far? Sounds like you're getting it. A computer (this includes routers) cannot have two interfaces on the same subnet. They can have multiple network interfaces, as long as they're all on different subnets. A router is a computer with multiple network interfaces, acting to gateway data between those subnets. Whether the machines are on the same subnet is determined by the subnet mask. If the subnet mask is 255.255.0.0 then only the first two bytes of the IP address need to be the same for the computers to be on the same subnet. I.E. 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.2.3 would be on the same subnet if they had the mask of 255.255.0.0. But a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 means that the first 3 bytes need to be the same for them to be on the same subnet - so 192.168.1.1 would be on the same subnet as 192.168.1.2, but not on the same subnet as 192.168.2.3, 192.168.2.4, 192.168.3.3, or 192.168.44.8. IP addresses and subnet masks can be written more succinctly using the / notation. /16 means 255.255.0.0, /24 means 255.255.255.0. So 192.168.2.3/16 means IP address 192.168.2.3, subnet mask 255.255.0.0 whereas 192.168.2.3/24 means IP address 192.168.2.3, subnet mask 255.255.255.0. Ranges are sometimes written 192.168.1.100-200, but don't do that when you're talking about a whole subnet (1-255) because it just looks odd. Use the slash notation instead, or just say 192.168.1.x and 192.168.2.y. So this email is to say that I don't know what you're doing writing with a . :P On these networks the final .255 address (eg. 192.168.1.255) is reserved for broadcast use, and you cannot allocate it to your PCs. Addresses ending in a .1 (e.g. 192.168.0.1) tend generally to be used for the subnet's gateway (the router). When a computer wants to send a packet to a computer on a different subnet it send it to the router instead (set in its configuration as the gateway to the network, typically the default gateway) with the instructions hi, please forward this to Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
Stroller wrote: Sounds like you're getting it. A computer (this includes routers) cannot have two interfaces on the same subnet. They can have multiple network interfaces, as long as they're all on different subnets. A router is a computer with multiple network interfaces, acting to gateway data between those subnets. Whether the machines are on the same subnet is determined by the subnet mask. If the subnet mask is 255.255.0.0 then only the first two bytes of the IP address need to be the same for the computers to be on the same subnet. I.E. 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.2.3 would be on the same subnet if they had the mask of 255.255.0.0. But a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 means that the first 3 bytes need to be the same for them to be on the same subnet - so 192.168.1.1 would be on the same subnet as 192.168.1.2, but not on the same subnet as 192.168.2.3, 192.168.2.4, 192.168.3.3, or 192.168.44.8. IP addresses and subnet masks can be written more succinctly using the / notation. /16 means 255.255.0.0, /24 means 255.255.255.0. So 192.168.2.3/16 means IP address 192.168.2.3, subnet mask 255.255.0.0 whereas 192.168.2.3/24 means IP address 192.168.2.3, subnet mask 255.255.255.0. Ranges are sometimes written 192.168.1.100-200, but don't do that when you're talking about a whole subnet (1-255) because it just looks odd. Use the slash notation instead, or just say 192.168.1.x and 192.168.2.y. So this email is to say that I don't know what you're doing writing with a . :P On these networks the final .255 address (eg. 192.168.1.255) is reserved for broadcast use, and you cannot allocate it to your PCs. Addresses ending in a .1 (e.g. 192.168.0.1) tend generally to be used for the subnet's gateway (the router). When a computer wants to send a packet to a computer on a different subnet it send it to the router instead (set in its configuration as the gateway to the network, typically the default gateway) with the instructions hi, please forward this to Stroller. I'm kind of getting it. I read up on netmask and sort of get it but it is still murky. Basically for my little wimpy network, 255.255.255.0 will suite all my needs. I think. I set it up like this. The modem uses DHCP to get the IP from ATT. My local IP from the modem is 192.168.1.2. Then the router has the IP 192.168.2.1 for my connection to the puter. The IP of my puter is 192.168.2.5. The next puter will be 192.168.2.6 or something different anyway. Basically the modem has its network and the router has its network for the LAN. Another thing I like, I can access the router and modem if needed. I guess 100 for the last number would work too. I need to read up on the netmask thing some more. It's still murky for sure. How's it look? Think it will work for a while? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
On Monday 20 December 2010 09:37:48 Dale wrote: I set it up like this. The modem uses DHCP to get the IP from ATT. My local IP from the modem is 192.168.1.2. Then the router has the IP 192.168.2.1 for my connection to the puter. The IP of my puter is 192.168.2.5. The next puter will be 192.168.2.6 or something different anyway. The one thing you didn't mention there is the outer address of your router. It needs to be 192.168.1.x where x is anything other than 2. It needs to be on the same network segment as the inner side of your modem. I need to read up on the netmask thing some more. It's still murky for sure. (What follows has grown rather long. I hope it doesn't come over too much as a lecture.) It's fairly straightforward once you get the hang of it. The address of a device is a 64-bit number, expressed as four 16-bit numbers joined with dots. It's just easier to read when split into chunks, but it is really a 64-bit number. As in decimal arithmetic, the right-hand digit is the least significant. An interface address consists of two parts: the leftmost part defines a group of addresses (the network part) and the rightmost part specifies the number of the interface in that group (the host part). The function of the network mask is to specify where the boundary is between the network part and the host part. Two conventions are used for expressing where that boundary is: the older method is to write, say, 255.255.255.0, which indicates that the first 24 bits (three eight-bit numbers - 255 is all-ones in eight bits) belong to the network and anything to the right of those can be allocated to interfaces in that network. That convention dates from the era of plenty of IP addresses in the world and goes along with Class A, B, C or D. A class A network has a mask of 255.0.0.0, class B has 255.255.0.0, class C has 255.255.255.0 and a class D (never used in the wild as far as I know) would have 255.255.255.255. Since the meteoric growth of the Internet this class scheme has become a handicap, and a finer division of network scope has become necessary, to allow use of, say, 255.255.255.248 as a net mask. Rather than specifying a plethora of new classes (we'd need anything up to 60), a shorthand notation has been invented in which we just append a number to an address to specify the number of bits that identify the network, with the rest identifying the host on it (strictly speaking, a host's interface on the network, as a host may have more than one interface - sometimes even on the same network). This scheme is known as CIDR notation. Thus your modem's inner address is, I assume, 192.168.1.2/24, which is the same as writing 192.168.1.2 with a mask of 255.255.255.0. That mask 255.255.255.248 I mentioned specifies 29 bits for the network address and three for the hosts on it; that's enough for six computers once the ..0 and ..7 addresses are reserved for network address and broadcast address. A lot of ISPs use such a scheme for allocating address ranges to their customers. How's it look? Think it will work for a while? Once you've set your router's outer address correctly, yes. Sorry I was asleep overnight and had to leave you to the tender mercies of your compatriots. :-) Again, apologies if I've seemed to want to teach my grandmother to suck eggs. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
Re: [gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 20 December 2010 09:37:48 Dale wrote: I set it up like this. The modem uses DHCP to get the IP from ATT. My local IP from the modem is 192.168.1.2. Then the router has the IP 192.168.2.1 for my connection to the puter. The IP of my puter is 192.168.2.5. The next puter will be 192.168.2.6 or something different anyway. The one thing you didn't mention there is the outer address of your router. It needs to be 192.168.1.x where x is anything other than 2. It needs to be on the same network segment as the inner side of your modem. Yep, front end is 192.168.1.4 or 5 I think. Something close to that. The last number may be different. It may be .2 or something. I need to read up on the netmask thing some more. It's still murky for sure. (What follows has grown rather long. I hope it doesn't come over too much as a lecture.) It's fairly straightforward once you get the hang of it. The address of a device is a 64-bit number, expressed as four 16-bit numbers joined with dots. It's just easier to read when split into chunks, but it is really a 64-bit number. As in decimal arithmetic, the right-hand digit is the least significant. An interface address consists of two parts: the leftmost part defines a group of addresses (the network part) and the rightmost part specifies the number of the interface in that group (the host part). The function of the network mask is to specify where the boundary is between the network part and the host part. Two conventions are used for expressing where that boundary is: the older method is to write, say, 255.255.255.0, which indicates that the first 24 bits (three eight-bit numbers - 255 is all-ones in eight bits) belong to the network and anything to the right of those can be allocated to interfaces in that network. That convention dates from the era of plenty of IP addresses in the world and goes along with Class A, B, C or D. A class A network has a mask of 255.0.0.0, class B has 255.255.0.0, class C has 255.255.255.0 and a class D (never used in the wild as far as I know) would have 255.255.255.255. Since the meteoric growth of the Internet this class scheme has become a handicap, and a finer division of network scope has become necessary, to allow use of, say, 255.255.255.248 as a net mask. Rather than specifying a plethora of new classes (we'd need anything up to 60), a shorthand notation has been invented in which we just append a number to an address to specify the number of bits that identify the network, with the rest identifying the host on it (strictly speaking, a host's interface on the network, as a host may have more than one interface - sometimes even on the same network). This scheme is known as CIDR notation. Thus your modem's inner address is, I assume, 192.168.1.2/24, which is the same as writing 192.168.1.2 with a mask of 255.255.255.0. That mask 255.255.255.248 I mentioned specifies 29 bits for the network address and three for the hosts on it; that's enough for six computers once the ..0 and ..7 addresses are reserved for network address and broadcast address. A lot of ISPs use such a scheme for allocating address ranges to their customers. How's it look? Think it will work for a while? Once you've set your router's outer address correctly, yes. Sorry I was asleep overnight and had to leave you to the tender mercies of your compatriots. :-) Again, apologies if I've seemed to want to teach my grandmother to suck eggs. Taking a nap is fine. I do that sometimes myself. If worse came to worse, I could set my puter to DHCP and hooked straight to the modem. That always works. I seem to have the stuff set up correctly now. I may try to hook up the second rig at least for testing anyway. I should have set the IP and set it to start ssh before the last shutdown. I didn't tho. Oh well. I'm starting to grasp the netmask thingy. It just has to soak in a little bit. lol Thanks for the help. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
On Monday 20 December 2010 11:44:11 Peter Humphrey wrote: (What follows has grown rather long. I hope it doesn't come over too much as a lecture.) It's fairly straightforward once you get the hang of it. The address of a device is a 64-bit number, expressed as four 16-bit numbers joined with dots. It's just easier to read when split into chunks, but it is really a 64-bit number. As in decimal arithmetic, the right-hand digit is the least significant. For the sake of the archives, I do need to correct you here. With the current IP-numbers (IPv4) it's a 32-bit number, expressed as four 8- bit numbers (A byte is 8 bit) -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
On Monday 20 December 2010 12:04:27 J. Roeleveld wrote: For the sake of the archives, I do need to correct you here. With the current IP-numbers (IPv4) it's a 32-bit number, expressed as four 8- bit numbers (A byte is 8 bit) Of course. Thanks for the correction. I should just have stuck with what I was going to write, instead of thinking about it :-( -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
Re: [gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
On Monday 20 December 2010 13:24:11 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 20 December 2010 12:04:27 J. Roeleveld wrote: For the sake of the archives, I do need to correct you here. With the current IP-numbers (IPv4) it's a 32-bit number, expressed as four 8- bit numbers (A byte is 8 bit) Of course. Thanks for the correction. I should just have stuck with what I was going to write, instead of thinking about it :-( No worries, as I said, the correction was for the sake of the archives. You actually used the correct bit-count later on. :) It is a bit tricky when thinking about bits and then writing it consistently though, think IPv6 uses 128bits per address? -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Monday 20 December 2010 13:24:11 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 20 December 2010 12:04:27 J. Roeleveld wrote: For the sake of the archives, I do need to correct you here. With the current IP-numbers (IPv4) it's a 32-bit number, expressed as four 8- bit numbers (A byte is 8 bit) Of course. Thanks for the correction. I should just have stuck with what I was going to write, instead of thinking about it :-( No worries, as I said, the correction was for the sake of the archives. You actually used the correct bit-count later on. :) It is a bit tricky when thinking about bits and then writing it consistently though, think IPv6 uses 128bits per address? -- Joost I got confused on what had what IP too. I checked, double checked, then read it again. I hope I got what I wrote right. o_O Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:27:09 -0600, Dale wrote: Both modem and router are set to use DHCP. I should know when I get some sleep next time. I'm not sure when that will be tho. So what is providing the DHCP service? -- Neil Bothwick The truth shall make you free, but first it shall piss you off. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:27:09 -0600, Dale wrote: Both modem and router are set to use DHCP. I should know when I get some sleep next time. I'm not sure when that will be tho. So what is providing the DHCP service? Well, I guess they figure it out. lol I have the network set to DHCP on my puter, the router has it and the modem. So far, it works out the IP part at least. I really hadn't thought about it that much to be honest. This is the first few hops with a traceroute that shows how it is getting to the internet: traceroute to google.com (74.125.157.104), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.248 ms 0.356 ms 0.480 ms 2 192.168.1.254 (192.168.1.254) 9.174 ms 9.406 ms 9.639 ms 3 adsl-95-128-1.jan.bellsouth.net (98.95.XXX.XX) 24.658 ms 34.443 ms 43.800 ms 4 12.81.48.52 (12.81.48.52) 66.552 ms 79.846 ms 82.490 ms 5 12.81.48.46 (12.81.48.46) 100.020 ms 110.546 ms 120.420 ms 6 ixc01mem-pos-7-0-0.bellsouth.net (65.83.239.97) 130.498 ms 38.126 ms 39.427 ms I put some X's in my IP. We never know who else may be reading this. You see anything wrong with the hops? Should I cut DHCP off on something, maybe two somethings? Dale :-) :-)
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On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 03:22 -0600, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:27:09 -0600, Dale wrote: Both modem and router are set to use DHCP. I should know when I get some sleep next time. I'm not sure when that will be tho. So what is providing the DHCP service? Well, I guess they figure it out. lol I have the network set to DHCP on my puter, the router has it and the modem. So far, it works out the IP part at least. I really hadn't thought about it that much to be honest. This is the first few hops with a traceroute that shows how it is getting to the internet: traceroute to google.com (74.125.157.104), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.248 ms 0.356 ms 0.480 ms 2 192.168.1.254 (192.168.1.254) 9.174 ms 9.406 ms 9.639 ms 3 adsl-95-128-1.jan.bellsouth.net (98.95.XXX.XX) 24.658 ms 34.443 ms 43.800 ms 4 12.81.48.52 (12.81.48.52) 66.552 ms 79.846 ms 82.490 ms 5 12.81.48.46 (12.81.48.46) 100.020 ms 110.546 ms 120.420 ms 6 ixc01mem-pos-7-0-0.bellsouth.net (65.83.239.97) 130.498 ms 38.126 ms 39.427 ms I put some X's in my IP. We never know who else may be reading this. You see anything wrong with the hops? Should I cut DHCP off on something, maybe two somethings? Dale :-) :-) Hi Dale, running two or more dhcp servers that are not in sync on a network is asking for trouble. Traceroute wont help with dhcp as its broadcast/unicast. I am not sure if you have posted the full setup yet, but it appears you have two devices running on the same class C network and are trying to route? - doesnt make sense unless you are subnetting? Perhaps it time to post an annotated ascii diagram of what you are actually doing. BillK
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William Kenworthy wrote: Hi Dale, running two or more dhcp servers that are not in sync on a network is asking for trouble. Traceroute wont help with dhcp as its broadcast/unicast. I am not sure if you have posted the full setup yet, but it appears you have two devices running on the same class C network and are trying to route? - doesnt make sense unless you are subnetting? Perhaps it time to post an annotated ascii diagram of what you are actually doing. BillK I never could draw. It's pretty simple tho. Computer router DSL modem internet. That ascii enough? ;-) Told you it was simple. I do plan to add a second puter before to long tho. I got to figure out where to put the thing tho. Dale :-) :-)
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On Sunday 19 December 2010 10:10:56 Dale wrote: It's pretty simple tho. Computer router DSL modem internet. Seems to me that the only place you need DHCP is on the DSL side of the modem, so that it can request an address from your ISP. If you pay them for a static address, that's the one you'll get; otherwise of course it'll vary from one occasion to another. On the inner side of the DSL modem I suggest you fix an address, say 192.168.0.1, then 192.168.0.2 on the router's modem interface, then 192.168.1.1 on the router's LAN interface. All those with a 24-bit mask for simplicity. (I used to use a 29-bit mask, but that only leaves six addresses free and it was too restrictive.) You could run DHCP in the router if you wanted to, to save yourself setting manual addresses on your computers, but personally I don't bother with DHCP as I prefer to know what address belongs to which interface. It's not as though I had hundreds of boxes to keep abreast of, after all. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
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Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 19 December 2010 10:10:56 Dale wrote: It's pretty simple tho. Computer router DSL modem internet. Seems to me that the only place you need DHCP is on the DSL side of the modem, so that it can request an address from your ISP. If you pay them for a static address, that's the one you'll get; otherwise of course it'll vary from one occasion to another. On the inner side of the DSL modem I suggest you fix an address, say 192.168.0.1, then 192.168.0.2 on the router's modem interface, then 192.168.1.1 on the router's LAN interface. All those with a 24-bit mask for simplicity. (I used to use a 29-bit mask, but that only leaves six addresses free and it was too restrictive.) You could run DHCP in the router if you wanted to, to save yourself setting manual addresses on your computers, but personally I don't bother with DHCP as I prefer to know what address belongs to which interface. It's not as though I had hundreds of boxes to keep abreast of, after all. This was fun. I tried to set it up the way you explained but apparently I ain't to good with this. Now the router don't work at all and I had to hit the reset button on the modem. I'm glad I could remember the password. :/ OK. The IP I get from ATT is set by them and it changes. I think that is dynamic not static. So, I assume that part of the connection has to be DHCP. Correct? That was how I left it anyway. Where does this network idiot go from here? I think the modem got mad when I told it to let the router set the IP between it and the modem. The computer seemed to talk to the router just fine but had not internet IP address. It was blank. Dale :-) :-) P. S. Going to look for a howto to see if it at least helps me understand how this works.
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On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 05:53 -0600, Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 19 December 2010 10:10:56 Dale wrote: It's pretty simple tho. Computer router DSL modem internet. Seems to me that the only place you need DHCP is on the DSL side of the modem, so that it can request an address from your ISP. If you pay them for a static address, that's the one you'll get; otherwise of course it'll vary from one occasion to another. On the inner side of the DSL modem I suggest you fix an address, say 192.168.0.1, then 192.168.0.2 on the router's modem interface, then 192.168.1.1 on the router's LAN interface. All those with a 24-bit mask for simplicity. (I used to use a 29-bit mask, but that only leaves six addresses free and it was too restrictive.) You could run DHCP in the router if you wanted to, to save yourself setting manual addresses on your computers, but personally I don't bother with DHCP as I prefer to know what address belongs to which interface. It's not as though I had hundreds of boxes to keep abreast of, after all. This was fun. I tried to set it up the way you explained but apparently I ain't to good with this. Now the router don't work at all and I had to hit the reset button on the modem. I'm glad I could remember the password. :/ OK. The IP I get from ATT is set by them and it changes. I think that is dynamic not static. So, I assume that part of the connection has to be DHCP. Correct? That was how I left it anyway. Where does this network idiot go from here? I think the modem got mad when I told it to let the router set the IP between it and the modem. The computer seemed to talk to the router just fine but had not internet IP address. It was blank. Dale :-) :-) P. S. Going to look for a howto to see if it at least helps me understand how this works. Dale, point 1 is that the problem you seem to have is that your two dhcp systems are each giving out IP's from the same range, and as both are starting at the same number, thats where the clash occurs. Simple fix is to change the ranges so they dont overlap. Bottom line, you should have only one dhcp server per network (as defined by the subnet mask) unless you pin IP numbers (as in bootp), use different ranges for each or other trickery. Or statically assign ip numbers and be done with it! Point 2 is dhcp is non-routable as it broadcasts (as always, there are ways to deal with this - but I dont think you have dhcp-relay going on.) - dhcp clients broadcast for an address, and the server sends the address back unicast - so clients on different network segments cant see others broadcasts - for instance a layer 3 router blocks broadcasts. point 3 is that the adsl modem is normally a dhcp client to the external network (as its ip address is supplied by the ISP), and a server for the internal network to supply IP numbers from its own pool of addresses to your internal machines. Point 4 is that the network design sucks. Can you list what ip number/subnet mask you have on the internal PC, the router internal interface, the router external interface and the adsl modem internal interface. And on which device the NAT/firewall is happening (please done say both ... :( Point 5 ... thats enuf for now :) BillK -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth!
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On Sunday 19 December 2010 11:53:33 Dale wrote: This was fun. :-) I tried to set it up the way you explained but apparently I ain't to good with this. Now the router don't work at all and I had to hit the reset button on the modem. I'm glad I could remember the password. :/ Ook! OK. The IP I get from ATT is set by them and it changes. I think that is dynamic not static. So, I assume that part of the connection has to be DHCP. Correct? That was how I left it anyway. Yes, that's right. So your modem's outer connection sends a DHCP request over the phone line, gets a name and an address and sets itself up to use them. So far so good. Where does this network idiot go from here? I think the modem got mad when I told it to let the router set the IP between it and the modem. Ah! I think I see what happened here. The modem won't be able to ask for an address on its inner side; you'll have to tell it what address to use as it's going to be the fixed point that other devices use to get out to the Internet. Then tell your router what address to use to talk to it. (If you're like me you'll get confused over which connection you're working on while setting up two-interface devices.) Would you mind telling me why you have a router between yourself and the modem? (Maybe you've told us already and I missed it.) If all the connections are via Ethernet you can omit the router for the moment and get a connection established direct to the modem. Once that's working you can put the router back and we can think about getting it working too. P.S. Going to look for a howto to see if it at least helps me understand how this works. Good idea - maybe it'll make better sense to you than I do :-) -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
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On 17/12/2010, at 8:31pm, Dale wrote: ... I bought this router the other day. I notice something that is a little weird. When I first wake up and try to check my email, the internet is dead. I have an alternative suggestion - I apologise if you find it unhelpful - but why don't you sent this router back and get a Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH, instead? The Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH ships with dd-wrt Linux pre-installed. I plan to flash one with OpenWRT and configure it from the command-line. If I have problems with it I'll then be able to post I tried this iptables command but ... or look in /var/log and see what's going on. You may find it works just fine with the default firmware Buffalo's fancy GUI, but the great thing about Linux is that you can fix it yourself! http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/buffalo/wzr-hp-g300h IIRC the guys in #openwrt don't think much of current Linksys models. You have already wasted a bunch of time on this problem. Why waste any more? The TP-Link TP-Link TL-WR1043ND is also quite well-regarded, I think - it has lower specifications, but is a bit cheaper. The Netgear WNDR3700 is considered cream of the commodity routers right now (for its CPU speed and dual channel wifi, IIRC) but is a bit more expensive. http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr1043nd http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/wndr3700 Stroller.
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William Kenworthy wrote: Dale, point 1 is that the problem you seem to have is that your two dhcp systems are each giving out IP's from the same range, and as both are starting at the same number, thats where the clash occurs. Simple fix is to change the ranges so they dont overlap. Bottom line, you should have only one dhcp server per network (as defined by the subnet mask) unless you pin IP numbers (as in bootp), use different ranges for each or other trickery. Or statically assign ip numbers and be done with it! Point 2 is dhcp is non-routable as it broadcasts (as always, there are ways to deal with this - but I dont think you have dhcp-relay going on.) - dhcp clients broadcast for an address, and the server sends the address back unicast - so clients on different network segments cant see others broadcasts - for instance a layer 3 router blocks broadcasts. point 3 is that the adsl modem is normally a dhcp client to the external network (as its ip address is supplied by the ISP), and a server for the internal network to supply IP numbers from its own pool of addresses to your internal machines. Point 4 is that the network design sucks. Can you list what ip number/subnet mask you have on the internal PC, the router internal interface, the router external interface and the adsl modem internal interface. And on which device the NAT/firewall is happening (please done say both ... :( Point 5 ... thats enuf for now :) BillK Well, I'm not real sure at times what thing has what IP. I found this on the modem tho: IP Address / Name MAC Address Connection Status Connection Type 192.168.1.1/ fireball 1c-6f-65-4c-91-c7 Offline Ethernet 192.168.1.2/ 00259C49FD9D 00-25-9c-49-fd-9d Active Ethernet 192.168.1.4/ * 1c-6f-65-4c-91-c7 Offline Ethernet 192.168.1.6/ * 00-25-9c-49-fd-9d Offline Ethernet The one that says active is the router currently connected. I got it to working again. ;-) It looks like the modem remembers what is hooked up and what IPs it was assigned. Neat huh. I can't find the same thing in the router tho. I found a how to. I read it. This is what I got out of it. It sounds like I need to let the modem use DHCP with the phone company. Then I need to set the ethernet that comes toward the router to say 192.168.1.2 then set the router to 192.168.1.5 or something to come to my puter.. Then when I hook up my second puter, I can assign it 192.168.1.6 or something. Best I can figure, no two can have the same IP. Each device has two IPs, one coming in, one going out. That part sort of confuses me a bit. I need a chalk board for this. I think the how to may have made this worse. :-( I don't know if the reset changed this or not but I did notice that the setting connection type was set to on demand again. I put it back to always on which is what I set it to once before. I was told it watches for http traffic and if there is none for a while, it logs off. Since I check email, have Kopete running and ntp plus others running, I need it on all the time. Still muddy? I know it is here. Dale :-) :-)
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Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 19 December 2010 11:53:33 Dale wrote: This was fun. :-) I tried to set it up the way you explained but apparently I ain't to good with this. Now the router don't work at all and I had to hit the reset button on the modem. I'm glad I could remember the password. :/ Ook! I got the router working again. Reset button and turning them on in sequence got it to working again. Yeppie !! OK. The IP I get from ATT is set by them and it changes. I think that is dynamic not static. So, I assume that part of the connection has to be DHCP. Correct? That was how I left it anyway. Yes, that's right. So your modem's outer connection sends a DHCP request over the phone line, gets a name and an address and sets itself up to use them. So far so good. Where does this network idiot go from here? I think the modem got mad when I told it to let the router set the IP between it and the modem. Ah! I think I see what happened here. The modem won't be able to ask for an address on its inner side; you'll have to tell it what address to use as it's going to be the fixed point that other devices use to get out to the Internet. Then tell your router what address to use to talk to it. (If you're like me you'll get confused over which connection you're working on while setting up two-interface devices.) Would you mind telling me why you have a router between yourself and the modem? (Maybe you've told us already and I missed it.) If all the connections are via Ethernet you can omit the router for the moment and get a connection established direct to the modem. Once that's working you can put the router back and we can think about getting it working too. Well, I plan to put another puter on the network before to long. I'll have two computers and one internet connection so in comes the router. Right now, I'm trying to get one to work. Then maybe I will understand how to add another. That's the plan anyway. P.S. Going to look for a howto to see if it at least helps me understand how this works. Good idea - maybe it'll make better sense to you than I do :-) I read two of them. I think it is more muddier now than it was. It didn't seem to help a lot. Once I get confused, I'm stuck. Once I get it tho, I got it. Dale :-) :-)
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Stroller wrote: On 17/12/2010, at 8:31pm, Dale wrote: ... I bought this router the other day. I notice something that is a little weird. When I first wake up and try to check my email, the internet is dead. I have an alternative suggestion - I apologise if you find it unhelpful - but why don't you sent this router back and get a Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH, instead? The Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH ships with dd-wrt Linux pre-installed. I plan to flash one with OpenWRT and configure it from the command-line. If I have problems with it I'll then be able to post I tried this iptables command but ... or look in /var/log and see what's going on. You may find it works just fine with the default firmware Buffalo's fancy GUI, but the great thing about Linux is that you can fix it yourself! http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/buffalo/wzr-hp-g300h IIRC the guys in #openwrt don't think much of current Linksys models. You have already wasted a bunch of time on this problem. Why waste any more? The TP-Link TP-Link TL-WR1043ND is also quite well-regarded, I think - it has lower specifications, but is a bit cheaper. The Netgear WNDR3700 is considered cream of the commodity routers right now (for its CPU speed and dual channel wifi, IIRC) but is a bit more expensive. http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr1043nd http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/wndr3700 Stroller. That may be plan b. My car started acting up the other day and I may have to get yet another distributor for it. I replaced it a couple years ago. They seem to have a batch of sensors that have a short life span. Anyway, that may have to be put off to later if I need to buy something for my car. It looks like they are wireless. I didn't see a wired one. I use wired because I live just a few miles from a Air Force Base. They fly right over the house. They even knock out my satellite signal sometimes. I was told that having things wired should be fine but wireless could be fun to deal with. They fly close enough to me that I can see a helmet in the plane. They even wave at times. lol Then again, we did try to do this through my old Linux puter. I couldn't get that to work either. When it comes to networking, I'm a idiot. I know how to hook it up but that's about it. It would be neat to learn tho. Dale :-) :-)
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On Sunday 19 December 2010 13:17:51 Dale wrote: I found a how to. I read it. This is what I got out of it. It sounds like I need to let the modem use DHCP with the phone company. Correct. Then I need to set the ethernet that comes toward the router to say 192.168.1.2 then set the router to 192.168.1.5 or something to come to my puter. Those two addresses must be on the same network segment, but they aren't - you have your router in between (it routes traffic between one network segment and the other). The side of the router that's connected to the modem can have that address, but the side that's connected to your computers can't have 192.168.1.X. Try 192.168.2.1, say, and your computers 192.168.2.2, 192.168.2.3, ... Best I can figure, no two can have the same IP. Each device has two IPs, one coming in, one going out. Yes, each address belongs to an interface, not to a computer, modem etc. Think of it as the address of one end of a piece of wire. I think the how to may have made this worse. :-( Nah - sounds to me like you're getting there... :-) -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
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I found a how to. I read it. This is what I got out of it. It sounds like I need to let the modem use DHCP with the phone company. [MWK] Yes Then I need to set the ethernet that comes toward the router to say 192.168.1.2 [MWK] No. Set the WAN side of your router to use DHCP. The modem and your ISP will assign the address to the WAN side. then set the router to 192.168.1.5 or something to come to my puter.. Actually, it should get set automatically to something like 192.168.1.1. Make sure you are using Gateway mode on the Advanced Routing tab. No computer should be set to this address. Turn on DHCP in the Router for your internal network and start at 192.168.1.200 or something way out there. Allow 10 addresses. Then when I hook up my second puter, I can assign it 192.168.1.6 or something. Best I can figure, no two can have the same IP. Each device has two IPs, one coming in, one going out. That part sort of confuses me a bit. I need a chalk board for this. Each Ethernet NIC has one IP address. If you want to use fixed IP's then set them to anything from 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.199 so as to not conflict with the Router or DHCP. I think the how to may have made this worse. :-( I don't know if the reset changed this or not but I did notice that the setting connection type was set to on demand again. I put it back to always on which is what I set it to once before. I was told it watches for http traffic and if there is none for a while, it logs off. Since I check email, have Kopete running and ntp plus others running, I need it on all the time. That 'On Demand' thing isn't something I see in my LinkSys but I have a different model than you so who knows. Good luck, Mark
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Stroller wrote: On 19/12/2010, at 1:36pm, Dale wrote: Stroller wrote: On 17/12/2010, at 8:31pm, Dale wrote: ... I bought this router the other day. I notice something that is a little weird. When I first wake up and try to check my email, the internet is dead. I have an alternative suggestion - I apologise if you find it unhelpful - but why don't you sent this router back and get a Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH, instead? The Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH ships with dd-wrt Linux pre-installed. I plan to flash one with OpenWRT and configure it from the command-line. ... That may be plan b. ... It looks like they are wireless. I didn't see a wired one. I use wired because I live just a few miles from a Air Force Base. They fly right over the house. They even knock out my satellite signal sometimes. I was told that having things wired should be fine but wireless could be fun to deal with. They fly close enough to me that I can see a helmet in the plane. They even wave at times. lol It occurred to me after posting, I bet he's not using wifi! You could probably just disable the wireless interface, but it seems silly to buy such a good router only to do that. You should look on the OpenWRT wiki and find one of the wires-only routers they list as compatible. I feel networking to be a really important skill in computing, but it can be hard to diagnose problems if you're insulated from what's going on by a dumbass GUI. Stroller. Or worse yet, there is a idiot using the GUI. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
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Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 19 December 2010 13:17:51 Dale wrote: I found a how to. I read it. This is what I got out of it. It sounds like I need to let the modem use DHCP with the phone company. Correct. Then I need to set the ethernet that comes toward the router to say 192.168.1.2 then set the router to 192.168.1.5 or something to come to my puter. Those two addresses must be on the same network segment, but they aren't - you have your router in between (it routes traffic between one network segment and the other). The side of the router that's connected to the modem can have that address, but the side that's connected to your computers can't have 192.168.1.X. Try 192.168.2.1, say, and your computers 192.168.2.2, 192.168.2.3, ... Best I can figure, no two can have the same IP. Each device has two IPs, one coming in, one going out. Yes, each address belongs to an interface, not to a computer, modem etc. Think of it as the address of one end of a piece of wire. I think the how to may have made this worse. :-( Nah - sounds to me like you're getting there... :-) O. Light bulb moment here, I think. The modem has a network, even tho it only has one device connected to it. The router has its own network but can have 4 devices connected to it. So, if the modem has 192.168.1.1 255 then the router needs 192.168.2.1 255 which is two separate networks. So, if that is true, set the modem to 192.168.1.1 for its IP. Then set the router to to 192.168.2.1 for it's network. That would give my puter a IP and the second puter another IP and they can talk to each other since they are on the same network. Is my light bulb OK so far? By the way, I feel asleep watching TV, missed my show too. The internet was still up when I got up. I think that setting on the modem got changed during a reset, upgrade on its software or something. It updates software automatically. Dale :-) :-)
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Mark Knecht wrote: I found a how to. I read it. This is what I got out of it. It sounds like I need to let the modem use DHCP with the phone company. [MWK] Yes Then I need to set the ethernet that comes toward the router to say 192.168.1.2 [MWK] No. Set the WAN side of your router to use DHCP. The modem and your ISP will assign the address to the WAN side. then set the router to 192.168.1.5 or something to come to my puter.. Actually, it should get set automatically to something like 192.168.1.1. Make sure you are using Gateway mode on the Advanced Routing tab. No computer should be set to this address. Turn on DHCP in the Router for your internal network and start at 192.168.1.200 or something way out there. Allow 10 addresses. Then when I hook up my second puter, I can assign it 192.168.1.6 or something. Best I can figure, no two can have the same IP. Each device has two IPs, one coming in, one going out. That part sort of confuses me a bit. I need a chalk board for this. Each Ethernet NIC has one IP address. If you want to use fixed IP's then set them to anything from 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.199 so as to not conflict with the Router or DHCP. I think the how to may have made this worse. :-( I don't know if the reset changed this or not but I did notice that the setting connection type was set to on demand again. I put it back to always on which is what I set it to once before. I was told it watches for http traffic and if there is none for a while, it logs off. Since I check email, have Kopete running and ntp plus others running, I need it on all the time. That 'On Demand' thing isn't something I see in my LinkSys but I have a different model than you so who knows. Good luck, Mark This is what I have done so far. This is my net file: config_eth0=( 192.168.1.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 brd 192.168.0.255 ) routes_eth0=( default via 192.168.1.4 ) So that should have fireball at a static IP right? Now when I add the other puter, I can set its IP to something different, say 192.168.1.6, and then I know what their IPs will be and can ssh in or whatever without having to dig around to find out the IP address. So far, this seems to be working. It took me a bit to figure out what to set the route to. That should be the modem. At first, I could access the router but nothing beyond that. Adding the route helped. I can even get to google. What have I done wrong so far? Dale :-) :-)
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Dale wrote: Well so far it has been working. Maybe it got things worked out and DHCP is working it out. Maybe it needed a little training time. lol Both modem and router are set to use DHCP. I should know when I get some sleep next time. I'm not sure when that will be tho. Dale :-) :-) I took me a nice nap. I woke up and the light was red again and no internet. I accessed the router and it thinks it is up. It shows a internet IP and all. It looks normal but I can't get to the internet. I also tried to renew the DHCP settings. I was hoping it would recheck the connection between the router and modem but it didn't appear to do anything at all. The red light was still on anyway. I still can't find a setting for time outs or anything. Is this something that is set but can't be changed my the user? Any other ideas? Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
Hi, I bought this router the other day. I notice something that is a little weird. When I first wake up and try to check my email, the internet is dead. The light on my DSL modem is red and Seamonkey can't check my email or load a webpage. If I unplug the router then plug it back up, it works fine. It seems that after a while the router cuts off the internet for some reason. I need the internet to stay alive even when I am asleep. I run folding and it sends data without asking me and some other stuff is running as well. I have looked in the settings of the router but I don't see anything that will change this. Am I missing something? Is this normal? I used a router once before and I don't remember this being a issue. I also updated the firmware and it still does it. Feature? Wrong setting? Router broke? Dale :-) :-)
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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I bought this router the other day. I notice something that is a little weird. When I first wake up and try to check my email, the internet is dead. The light on my DSL modem is red and Seamonkey can't check my email or load a webpage. If I unplug the router then plug it back up, it works fine. It seems that after a while the router cuts off the internet for some reason. I need the internet to stay alive even when I am asleep. I run folding and it sends data without asking me and some other stuff is running as well. I have looked in the settings of the router but I don't see anything that will change this. Am I missing something? Is this normal? I used a router once before and I don't remember this being a issue. I also updated the firmware and it still does it. Feature? Wrong setting? Router broke? Most DSL/Cable modems have a web interface built into them where you can view status, diagnostics and most importantly logs. I think if you can google your modem model and figure out how to access this, it might provide some useful information. (Older modems might have a telnet interface rather than web) Is the light red normally, or is that indicative of a problem? Does the manual say what the color of the light means? Has it ever happened in day-time or does it only happen at night? I wonder if the ISP does some kind of reset and the modem's not reconnecting automatically. The opposite of the disconnect that Walt mentioned would be some kind of keepalive setting. Since you're running Folding which uses network data I don't think you should be triggering any kind of idle disconnect (unless it has a kb/sec threshold). DSL is usually advertised as always on so it seems weird if they would do that to you. I went through 2 cable modems within a month because they kept dying in one way or another. I didn't own them so I just drove 3 miles down the street and swapped it for a new one at the local cable company office. It seems like more of the computer and electronics problems I have (or that people bring to me) are related to power supply failures than any other reason. If you have another compatible power supply, maybe you could try using it for a couple days to see if it makes any difference.
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Paul Hartman wrote: Most DSL/Cable modems have a web interface built into them where you can view status, diagnostics and most importantly logs. I think if you can google your modem model and figure out how to access this, it might provide some useful information. (Older modems might have a telnet interface rather than web) I can access it with Seamonkey. I had to do that to get it to work at all. The router and the modem were both trying to get 192.168.1.1 and the fight was on. Same problem I ran into once before. Anyway. Is the light red normally, or is that indicative of a problem? Does the manual say what the color of the light means? Before I bought the router, the light would be red if I had my puter cut off for a while. The modem senses the ethernet is not hooked up and logs off. As soon as I cut the puter back on, it goes green again. It usually does this when the BIOS screen is up or by the time the grub screen comes up. It's pretty quick on that. Has it ever happened in day-time or does it only happen at night? I wonder if the ISP does some kind of reset and the modem's not reconnecting automatically. I have had it to do this during the day and night. I didn't think about that before tho. They do reset about 4 or so in the morning usually on Wednesday. It is so fast that even Seamonkey doesn't time out. It will knock me off youtube if I am watching a video tho. I guess it looses the stream. Other than that, it just appears the website is a little slow for a few seconds. The opposite of the disconnect that Walt mentioned would be some kind of keepalive setting. Since you're running Folding which uses network data I don't think you should be triggering any kind of idle disconnect (unless it has a kb/sec threshold). DSL is usually advertised as always on so it seems weird if they would do that to you. The modem is set as always on. I did that when I first got it and it has not given me any trouble until the router got into the mix. I also have ntp running. When it went offline last time, my clock was off 30 seconds. :/ I went through 2 cable modems within a month because they kept dying in one way or another. I didn't own them so I just drove 3 miles down the street and swapped it for a new one at the local cable company office. It seems like more of the computer and electronics problems I have (or that people bring to me) are related to power supply failures than any other reason. If you have another compatible power supply, maybe you could try using it for a couple days to see if it makes any difference. I don't have another P/S to test. When it is dead tho, the lights are on on the router. I can even access it through the web interface. It just doesn't wake up the connection to the internet. It acts like it cuts off the connection between the router and the modem and just doesn't reconnect when there is activity. Little update. I went to town a bit ago and it was still up when I got back. I also noticed that it went back to 192.168.1.1 for its address too. I'm not sure why it did that but it did. Maybe it is going to hang in there for a while. Time will tell. I figure since I posted the question, it will fix itself. lol Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: Most DSL/Cable modems have a web interface built into them where you can view status, diagnostics and most importantly logs. I think if you can google your modem model and figure out how to access this, it might provide some useful information. (Older modems might have a telnet interface rather than web) I can access it with Seamonkey. I had to do that to get it to work at all. The router and the modem were both trying to get 192.168.1.1 and the fight was on. Same problem I ran into once before. Anyway. Hmm, maybe it could be an IP address conflict if one or both of them keep trying to go back to using the same address. I had that problem at work where a printer and a computer both had been assigned the same IP and would randomly go offline or have connectivity issues for no apparent reason, until we finally realized what was going on and changed the IP to something else.
Re: [gentoo-user] Linksys router BEFSR41 loosing internet
Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: Most DSL/Cable modems have a web interface built into them where you can view status, diagnostics and most importantly logs. I think if you can google your modem model and figure out how to access this, it might provide some useful information. (Older modems might have a telnet interface rather than web) I can access it with Seamonkey. I had to do that to get it to work at all. The router and the modem were both trying to get 192.168.1.1 and the fight was on. Same problem I ran into once before. Anyway. Hmm, maybe it could be an IP address conflict if one or both of them keep trying to go back to using the same address. I had that problem at work where a printer and a computer both had been assigned the same IP and would randomly go offline or have connectivity issues for no apparent reason, until we finally realized what was going on and changed the IP to something else. Well so far it has been working. Maybe it got things worked out and DHCP is working it out. Maybe it needed a little training time. lol Both modem and router are set to use DHCP. I should know when I get some sleep next time. I'm not sure when that will be tho. Dale :-) :-)
