Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
On Sunday 08 November 2015 10:55:19 J. Roeleveld wrote: [...] >For real comparisons, you need to stick both in the same box. >The low results for the SSD are because of the lower-spec hardware of the >rest of the system. >Speed is always determined by the slowest part. In this case, the difference >is very noticable. > >Put the SSD into the AMD-box and you'll see the true performance of the SSD. > >-- >Joost One thing I'd like to add that I didn't see mentioned: even if the sequential read performance were worse, the thing that really sets SSDs apart is their *random* read and write performance, since they don't have to seek. This is what makes them "feel" fast in everyday use. HTH -- Marc Joliet -- "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
On Saturday, November 07, 2015 03:06:32 PM the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 11/07/2015 02:52 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > > On 08/11/15 05:22, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > >> On 11/05/2015 11:06 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > You might be right, maybe I'll add one HDD for backup (good > suggestion). > The killer is my 1TB SSD $499.99CAD > >>> > >>> Get 1 SSD for the OS, software and your home directory. (240GB is > >>> usually > >>> enough) > >>> And 1 big HDD for your data. > >>> > >>> Keep your documents and other data out of the home directory if doing > >>> this. > >>> Reason I suggest your home directory on SSD is because programs tend to > >>> store a lot in your home directory which can benefit from a faster > >>> disk.>> > >> It seems to me that SSD drives are slower than standard spinning disks. > >> I was just comparing my two disk with hdparm > >> > >> 1.) Western Digital model: Model=WDC WD2002FAEX-007BA0 > >> > >> hdparm -Tt /dev/sda > >> > >> /dev/sda: > >> Timing cached reads: 9406 MB in 2.00 seconds = 4705.88 MB/sec > >> Timing buffered disk reads: 432 MB in 3.00 seconds = 143.92 MB/sec > >> > >> 2.) Intel SSD model Model=INTEL SSDSC2BF480A5 > >> > >> /dev/sda: > >> Timing cached reads: 1292 MB in 2.00 seconds = 645.51 MB/sec > >> Timing buffered disk reads: 536 MB in 3.00 seconds = 178.63 MB/sec > >> > >> It seems to me the spinning disk WD is faster than my Intel SSD > >> So is there an advantage of overpaying for SSD? > >> > >> -- > >> Thelma > > > > olympus ~ # hdparm -tT /dev/sda > > > > /dev/sda: > > Timing cached reads: 20442 MB in 1.99 seconds = 10278.90 MB/sec > > Timing buffered disk reads: 1164 MB in 3.00 seconds = 387.66 MB/sec > > > > olympus ~ # hdparm -tT /dev/sdb > > > > /dev/sdb: > > Timing cached reads: 20320 MB in 1.99 seconds = 10218.13 MB/sec > > Timing buffered disk reads: 300 MB in 3.00 seconds = 99.88 MB/sec > > > > olympus ~ # > > > > > > Something is not right with your system ... > > > > sda is an older intel ssd, sdb is a western digital red which somethimes > > gets close to that your speed. > > > > try multiple measurements, no load on the system. > > I did run test several times, still get the same numbers. Maybe the > reason is that one system is much smaller slower. > > The SSD is running on smaller box: Atom-TM-_CPU_330_@_1.60GHz > The WD is bitter unit: AMD_FX-tm-8150_Eight-Core_Processor For real comparisons, you need to stick both in the same box. The low results for the SSD are because of the lower-spec hardware of the rest of the system. Speed is always determined by the slowest part. In this case, the difference is very noticable. Put the SSD into the AMD-box and you'll see the true performance of the SSD. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
On Friday 06 November 2015 22:31:26 Dale wrote: >waben...@gmail.com wrote: >> the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >>> Regarding better motherboard my preference is one that use 100% >>> Jpanese capacitors, if I'm not mistaken Gigabit is one of them. >> >> Nearly six years ago I've bought four Gigabyte Ultra Durable mobos >> equipped with solid state capacitors. Two of these boards are running >> 24/7, the other two boards are running about 12h/day. >> >> All mobos are still working without any problems. So I think my next >> board will also be a Gigabyte UD. >> >> -- >> Regards >> wabe > >I have a Gigabyte 970A-UD3P. My rig runs 24/7 except when I have to >shutdown due to lengthy power fail. I have a UPS but it doesn't last >forever. So far, no problems. I seem to recall that UD3 is the most >stable version a mobo. I think you can find a breakdown of what all the >numbers/letters stand for in the mobo model number somewhere. > >Hope that helps. > >Dale > >:-) :-) While on the topic of long-lasting mobos: my Asus M2N-E is about ten years old now and was running almost 24/7 for about 9 of them (I pay my own electricity now, so it only runs when I'm using it now). It has yet to cause me any problems and has outlasted most of the other components in my PC. The only equally old components are the soundcard, cooling, and DVD drive, the latter of which needs replacing, though (or oiling? dunno if you can do that). The 14 year-old mobo in my mother's equally ancient PC is a Gigabyte, though, so with my whopping *two* data points ;-) I'm going to argue that it's just a matter of getting a decent model, irrespective of manufacturer. -- Marc Joliet -- "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
Marc Joliet wrote: > On Friday 06 November 2015 22:31:26 Dale wrote: >> waben...@gmail.com wrote: >>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote: Regarding better motherboard my preference is one that use 100% Jpanese capacitors, if I'm not mistaken Gigabit is one of them. >>> Nearly six years ago I've bought four Gigabyte Ultra Durable mobos >>> equipped with solid state capacitors. Two of these boards are running >>> 24/7, the other two boards are running about 12h/day. >>> >>> All mobos are still working without any problems. So I think my next >>> board will also be a Gigabyte UD. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> wabe >> I have a Gigabyte 970A-UD3P. My rig runs 24/7 except when I have to >> shutdown due to lengthy power fail. I have a UPS but it doesn't last >> forever. So far, no problems. I seem to recall that UD3 is the most >> stable version a mobo. I think you can find a breakdown of what all the >> numbers/letters stand for in the mobo model number somewhere. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) > While on the topic of long-lasting mobos: my Asus M2N-E is about ten years > old > now and was running almost 24/7 for about 9 of them (I pay my own electricity > now, so it only runs when I'm using it now). It has yet to cause me any > problems and has outlasted most of the other components in my PC. The only > equally old components are the soundcard, cooling, and DVD drive, the latter > of which needs replacing, though (or oiling? dunno if you can do that). > > The 14 year-old mobo in my mother's equally ancient PC is a Gigabyte, though, > so with my whopping *two* data points ;-) I'm going to argue that it's just a > matter of getting a decent model, irrespective of manufacturer. > I have a old Abit NF7 that last I turned on, it powers up. It doesn't have enough stuff in it to do much tho. It's like 15 years or more old. I think Abit closed many years ago tho. I've read that ASUS makes some good ones and we can still buy new ones of those. That makes them better than Abit. LOL Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 16:45:18 -0700, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > Does Gentoo support Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller > in Intel i5 Yes. -- Neil Bothwick Why is the word abbreviation so long? pgpOmOgZHtn1q.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
On 11/05/2015 11:06 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: [snip] >> You might be right, maybe I'll add one HDD for backup (good suggestion). >> The killer is my 1TB SSD $499.99CAD > > Get 1 SSD for the OS, software and your home directory. (240GB is usually > enough) > And 1 big HDD for your data. > > Keep your documents and other data out of the home directory if doing this. > Reason I suggest your home directory on SSD is because programs tend to store > a lot in your home directory which can benefit from a faster disk. It seems to me that SSD drives are slower than standard spinning disks. I was just comparing my two disk with hdparm 1.) Western Digital model: Model=WDC WD2002FAEX-007BA0 hdparm -Tt /dev/sda /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 9406 MB in 2.00 seconds = 4705.88 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 432 MB in 3.00 seconds = 143.92 MB/sec 2.) Intel SSD model Model=INTEL SSDSC2BF480A5 /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 1292 MB in 2.00 seconds = 645.51 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 536 MB in 3.00 seconds = 178.63 MB/sec It seems to me the spinning disk WD is faster than my Intel SSD So is there an advantage of overpaying for SSD? -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
On 08/11/15 05:22, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 11/05/2015 11:06 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > [snip] > >>> You might be right, maybe I'll add one HDD for backup (good suggestion). >>> The killer is my 1TB SSD $499.99CAD >> >> Get 1 SSD for the OS, software and your home directory. (240GB is usually >> enough) >> And 1 big HDD for your data. >> >> Keep your documents and other data out of the home directory if doing this. >> Reason I suggest your home directory on SSD is because programs tend to >> store >> a lot in your home directory which can benefit from a faster disk. > > It seems to me that SSD drives are slower than standard spinning disks. > I was just comparing my two disk with hdparm > > 1.) Western Digital model: Model=WDC WD2002FAEX-007BA0 > hdparm -Tt /dev/sda > > /dev/sda: > Timing cached reads: 9406 MB in 2.00 seconds = 4705.88 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 432 MB in 3.00 seconds = 143.92 MB/sec > > 2.) Intel SSD model Model=INTEL SSDSC2BF480A5 > /dev/sda: > Timing cached reads: 1292 MB in 2.00 seconds = 645.51 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 536 MB in 3.00 seconds = 178.63 MB/sec > > It seems to me the spinning disk WD is faster than my Intel SSD > So is there an advantage of overpaying for SSD? > > -- > Thelma > olympus ~ # hdparm -tT /dev/sda /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 20442 MB in 1.99 seconds = 10278.90 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 1164 MB in 3.00 seconds = 387.66 MB/sec olympus ~ # hdparm -tT /dev/sdb /dev/sdb: Timing cached reads: 20320 MB in 1.99 seconds = 10218.13 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 300 MB in 3.00 seconds = 99.88 MB/sec olympus ~ # Something is not right with your system ... sda is an older intel ssd, sdb is a western digital red which somethimes gets close to that your speed. try multiple measurements, no load on the system. BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
On 11/07/2015 02:52 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > On 08/11/15 05:22, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> On 11/05/2015 11:06 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: >> [snip] >> You might be right, maybe I'll add one HDD for backup (good suggestion). The killer is my 1TB SSD $499.99CAD >>> >>> Get 1 SSD for the OS, software and your home directory. (240GB is usually >>> enough) >>> And 1 big HDD for your data. >>> >>> Keep your documents and other data out of the home directory if doing this. >>> Reason I suggest your home directory on SSD is because programs tend to >>> store >>> a lot in your home directory which can benefit from a faster disk. >> >> It seems to me that SSD drives are slower than standard spinning disks. >> I was just comparing my two disk with hdparm >> >> 1.) Western Digital model: Model=WDC WD2002FAEX-007BA0 >> hdparm -Tt /dev/sda >> >> /dev/sda: >> Timing cached reads: 9406 MB in 2.00 seconds = 4705.88 MB/sec >> Timing buffered disk reads: 432 MB in 3.00 seconds = 143.92 MB/sec >> >> 2.) Intel SSD model Model=INTEL SSDSC2BF480A5 >> /dev/sda: >> Timing cached reads: 1292 MB in 2.00 seconds = 645.51 MB/sec >> Timing buffered disk reads: 536 MB in 3.00 seconds = 178.63 MB/sec >> >> It seems to me the spinning disk WD is faster than my Intel SSD >> So is there an advantage of overpaying for SSD? >> >> -- >> Thelma >> > > olympus ~ # hdparm -tT /dev/sda > > /dev/sda: > Timing cached reads: 20442 MB in 1.99 seconds = 10278.90 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 1164 MB in 3.00 seconds = 387.66 MB/sec > olympus ~ # hdparm -tT /dev/sdb > > /dev/sdb: > Timing cached reads: 20320 MB in 1.99 seconds = 10218.13 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 300 MB in 3.00 seconds = 99.88 MB/sec > olympus ~ # > > > Something is not right with your system ... > > sda is an older intel ssd, sdb is a western digital red which somethimes > gets close to that your speed. > > try multiple measurements, no load on the system. I did run test several times, still get the same numbers. Maybe the reason is that one system is much smaller slower. The SSD is running on smaller box: Atom-TM-_CPU_330_@_1.60GHz The WD is bitter unit: AMD_FX-tm-8150_Eight-Core_Processor -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
On 11/07/2015 02:13 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 16:45:18 -0700, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > >> Does Gentoo support Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller >> in Intel i5 > > Yes. There might be some problems, see: Early Intel Skylake Linux Users May Run Into A Silly Issue http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=intel-skl-prelim-support I was trying to select this Intel CPU: Intel Core™ i5-6600K Processor but "...you won't get kernel mode-setting support and working 3D acceleration for Skylake's HD Graphics... You'll get a low resolution display and fall-back to the LLVMpipe Gallium3D driver. Yes, even with modern kernels." -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
[snip] > If you don't need it I'd save your money and spend it on a better CPU, MoBo, > and/or RAM. Does Gentoo support Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller in Intel i5 I was thinking of going with Intel instead of AMD. Regarding better motherboard my preference is one that use 100% Jpanese capacitors, if I'm not mistaken Gigabit is one of them. -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > Regarding better motherboard my preference is one that use 100% > Jpanese capacitors, if I'm not mistaken Gigabit is one of them. Nearly six years ago I've bought four Gigabyte Ultra Durable mobos equipped with solid state capacitors. Two of these boards are running 24/7, the other two boards are running about 12h/day. All mobos are still working without any problems. So I think my next board will also be a Gigabyte UD. -- Regards wabe
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
waben...@gmail.com wrote: > the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > >> Regarding better motherboard my preference is one that use 100% >> Jpanese capacitors, if I'm not mistaken Gigabit is one of them. > Nearly six years ago I've bought four Gigabyte Ultra Durable mobos > equipped with solid state capacitors. Two of these boards are running > 24/7, the other two boards are running about 12h/day. > > All mobos are still working without any problems. So I think my next > board will also be a Gigabyte UD. > > -- > Regards > wabe > > I have a Gigabyte 970A-UD3P. My rig runs 24/7 except when I have to shutdown due to lengthy power fail. I have a UPS but it doesn't last forever. So far, no problems. I seem to recall that UD3 is the most stable version a mobo. I think you can find a breakdown of what all the numbers/letters stand for in the mobo model number somewhere. Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-)
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 03:43:46 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > > Maybe I don't need 32GB or RAM but even 16GB RAM would save me only > > $112.99 > > "only" ?! -- I'ld save that much any day. You don't need 32 : try > 16 . How much extra will it cost to go with 16GB and then find you need more? Thelma said she was running Windows in a VM alongside various Linux programs. It's cheaper in the long run to find you have 100% more than you need than 10% less than you need. -- Neil Bothwick deja vous - the act of forgetting someone's name /again/ despite being introduced to them several times. pgpn5tjAc7XvR.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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151105 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > I think the 1TB SDD is expensive + CAD 177.99 warranty. > I don't know if I need warranty or why they are charging me for it ? I got an extended warranty ( 15 % purchase price) on the CPU + Mobo only. You shouldn't need it for anything else. > Here is my pricing in CAD > > - INWIN BL631 Low Power Micro ATX Case w/300W power supply$ 84.99 > - Gigabit GA-78LMT-USB3 w/DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan$ 79.99 > - Samsung 850 EVO Series Solid State Drive 1-TB $499.99 > - LG GH240 SuperMulti 24x DVD Writer, SATA$ 24.99 > - Kingston HyperX FURY Black 16GB DDR3-1600MHz CL 10 Dual Channel > 4 x 8 GB Total 32 GB RAM $225.98 > - AMD FX-6300 Processor 3.5GHz w/ 14MB Cache $144.99 > - Asus GeForce GT610 CMS 2GB PCI-E w/ DVI HDMI$ 69.99 > - assembly$ 40.00 > - Warranty ???$177.99 > = > TOTAL$1348.91 > ADS for CPU v2 (WHAT IS THAT?) $4.40 > GST$67.67 > = > GRAND TOTAL: $1420.98 > > PS. Expensive like for a small box. > Maybe I don't need 32GB or RAM but even 16GB RAM would save me only $112.99 "only" ?! -- I'ld save that much any day. You don't need 32 : try 16 . > You might be right, maybe I'll add one HDD for backup (good suggestion). > The killer is my 1TB SSD CAD 499.99 You don't need 1 TB for the SSD ! Mine is 240 GB , which is plenty. Here are my partitions : GB SSD sda 1 boot 1 /boot 2 root 50 / (incl opt usr var) 3 swap 8 swap 5 home 60 /home 6 vault 20 /home/purslow/vault 7 local 20 /usr/local 8 src 10 /usr/src 9 portage 20 /usr/portage (distfiles 5,8) 10 z 35 /z total224 tmpfs -- /tmp HDD sdb 1 data 20 /home/purslow/... 2 y300 /y 3 Mint 20 /mnt/mint 5 Mageia20 /mnt/mageia unused 660 total 1000 All fmt'd Reiser, except sda1 ext2 , sda3 swap , sdb3/5 ext4 'vault' is where I move stuff I'm not using at the moment : work I've finished, downloaded material I haven't got to yet. 'z' is a big hangar where I throw big files around, back-ups etc ; it also contains a tmp dir for emerging LO + FF . 'data' is some extra material I don't use often. 'y' is for back-ups & is not normally mounted. Mint helped when installing Gentoo, Mageia is sentimental : both mb useful to show friends who ask re Linux. All the sizes are really overkill for what I actually use. HTH -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
On Thursday 05 Nov 2015 23:45:11 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > I'm putting a new box, it will run Gentoo (hylafax, Asterisk) and > Windows 7 in VirtualBox (mainly). Box will run 24/7. > > Below are the components. Will I have a problem with any of them or is > there a better choice? > (the box need to be small as I don't have much room). > > - INWIN BL631 Low Power Micro ATX Case w/300W power supply What is the PSU? For a 24-7 server/workstation this becomes a critical component and other than your SSD a cause of early failure. Buy something with good quality capacitors (Japanese), or be prepared to get your soldering out in the not too distant future. > - Gigabit GA-78LMT-USB3 w/DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan > - Samsung 850 EVO Series Solid State Drive 1-TB Will you be eating up as much as 1-TB of data on a day to day basis? I would suggest you buy two SSDs and set up a RAID1, to guard against SSD failure, plus a spinning drive for filesystems that are re-written frequently (e.g. application caches), critical data and back ups. > - LG GH240 SuperMulti 24x DVD Writer, SATA (not sure if I even need it)? If you don't need it I'd save your money and spend it on a better CPU, MoBo, and/or RAM. > - Kingston HyperX FURY Black 16GB DDR3-1600MHz CL 10 Dual Channel (4x > 8GB) Total 32GB RAM Unless you will be running large databases and websites in RAM I can't see you ever using up all of this. I'd save the money and buy faster memory (2133MHz, or 2400MHz), or if speed (O/C) is not important buy ECC memory instead. > - AMD FX-6300 Processor 3.5GHz w/ 14MB Cache A reliable workhorse and easy to O/C, but rather dated and overtaken both in performance and economy by Intel's products. If economy features in your requirements and you don't do heavy gaming you may want to consider AMD's APUs like Kaveri. In a few years you will probably save in electricity the small difference in price. You will need a better cooler for either, if you are going to O/C them. > - Asus GeForce GT610 CMS 2GB PCI-E w/ DVI HDMI -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
On 11/06/2015 02:04 AM, Mick wrote: > On Thursday 05 Nov 2015 23:45:11 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> I'm putting a new box, it will run Gentoo (hylafax, Asterisk) and >> Windows 7 in VirtualBox (mainly). Box will run 24/7. >> >> Below are the components. Will I have a problem with any of them or is >> there a better choice? >> (the box need to be small as I don't have much room). >> >> - INWIN BL631 Low Power Micro ATX Case w/300W power supply > > What is the PSU? For a 24-7 server/workstation this becomes a critical > component and other than your SSD a cause of early failure. Buy something > with good quality capacitors (Japanese), or be prepared to get your soldering > out in the not too distant future. YES, yes that is my concern as well. Many of my boxes are running 24/7 and I have replaced PSU many time. For example I have: Intel Atom CPU 330 @1.60GHz (run 24/7 Hylafax + Asterisk) It a tiny box, has one of those external 12V power adapters, I have replaced that adapter 2-times and my the PS fried as well at the same time, so I think PS was responsible for it. I have now SSD 250GB in it. So yes, I would like to find good power supply with JAPANESE capacitors if possible. That Chinese piece of CRAP doesn't last long. Any recommendation for PSU with JAPANESE capacitors? My problem is I'm buying a small case again: INWIN BL631 Low Power Micro ATX Case 13" x 3.8" x 14.4" so I don't know if I'll have very many choices when it comes to PSU >> - Gigabit GA-78LMT-USB3 w/DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan >> - Samsung 850 EVO Series Solid State Drive 1-TB > > Will you be eating up as much as 1-TB of data on a day to day basis? I would > suggest you buy two SSDs and set up a RAID1, to guard against SSD failure, > plus a spinning drive for filesystems that are re-written frequently (e.g. > application caches), critical data and back ups. I don't have that much experience with RAID so if something goes wrong by the time I trouble shoot it what when wrong and how to fix it, it might take some time (a day+ or so); I can not afford it. My solution is to run two boxes if one goes down to switch to another box takes me only 15min. > > >> - LG GH240 SuperMulti 24x DVD Writer, SATA (not sure if I even need it)? > > If you don't need it I'd save your money and spend it on a better CPU, MoBo, > and/or RAM. > > >> - Kingston HyperX FURY Black 16GB DDR3-1600MHz CL 10 Dual Channel (4x >> 8GB) Total 32GB RAM > > Unless you will be running large databases and websites in RAM I can't see > you > ever using up all of this. I'd save the money and buy faster memory > (2133MHz, > or 2400MHz), or if speed (O/C) is not important buy ECC memory instead. Good suggestion. > >> - AMD FX-6300 Processor 3.5GHz w/ 14MB Cache > > A reliable workhorse and easy to O/C, but rather dated and overtaken both in > performance and economy by Intel's products. If economy features in your > requirements and you don't do heavy gaming you may want to consider AMD's > APUs > like Kaveri. In a few years you will probably save in electricity the small > difference in price. Are Intel's CPU better now-a-days? What is the difference: AMD FX-6300 Vishera is 6-Core CPU AMD A10-7850K Kaveri Quad-Core 3.7 GHz according to: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-FX-6300-vs-AMD-A10-7850K AMD FX-6300 is the winner (I'm not an expert on it). > > You will need a better cooler for either, if you are going to O/C them. No, I have no need for over-clocking > > >> - Asus GeForce GT610 CMS 2GB PCI-E w/ DVI HDMI Most of the new video cards have only DVI or HDMI connections. On my current setup I have two boxes using an old 9-pin (??) video connection/cable connected via KVM switch, so quick hitting "2x Scroll Lock" allows me for quick switching between them. If I replace the box with DVI/HDMI connection I'll be looking for a new KVM hybrid switch (if one exist) or a different solution. I only want one mouse/monitor/keyboard to access them. -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
On Friday 06 Nov 2015 16:32:25 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 11/06/2015 02:04 AM, Mick wrote: > > On Thursday 05 Nov 2015 23:45:11 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > It a tiny box, has one of those external 12V power adapters, I have > replaced that adapter 2-times and my the PS fried as well at the same > time, so I think PS was responsible for it. I have now SSD 250GB in it. These often overheat, which shortens the life of the capacitors. If you have a steady hand you're better off soldering new capacitors in them and they will outlast anything you buy in a shop. Break the glued joint and buy equivalent capacitors that you can physically fit in the constrained space envelop of the PSU. I usually buy Panasonic branded caps and they have done me proud so far. > So yes, I would like to find good power supply with JAPANESE capacitors > if possible. That Chinese piece of CRAP doesn't last long. There was a spat with bad PSUs that caused problems in the past, but I believe that these problems have been resolved. http://www.corsair.com/en/blog/2013/december/power-supply-capacitor-q-and-a > Any recommendation for PSU with JAPANESE capacitors? Have a look at Corsair, but there are others too. The more expensive units have Japanese caps throughout: http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/power-supply-units > >> - Gigabit GA-78LMT-USB3 w/DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan > >> - Samsung 850 EVO Series Solid State Drive 1-TB > > > > Will you be eating up as much as 1-TB of data on a day to day basis? I > > would suggest you buy two SSDs and set up a RAID1, to guard against SSD > > failure, plus a spinning drive for filesystems that are re-written > > frequently (e.g. application caches), critical data and back ups. > > I don't have that much experience with RAID so if something goes wrong > by the time I trouble shoot it what when wrong and how to fix it, it > might take some time (a day+ or so); I can not afford it. > > My solution is to run two boxes if one goes down to switch to another > box takes me only 15min. Well, there isn't much to running RAID 1. You'll know when one disk failed because you can program it to email you and because performance will degrade. You can have a 3rd drive installed as a spare and it will automatically switch over. Alternatively, the moment you find out one of your disks failed you make a back up of the one which is still running. > >> - LG GH240 SuperMulti 24x DVD Writer, SATA (not sure if I even need it)? > > > > If you don't need it I'd save your money and spend it on a better CPU, > > MoBo, and/or RAM. > > > >> - Kingston HyperX FURY Black 16GB DDR3-1600MHz CL 10 Dual Channel (4x > >> 8GB) Total 32GB RAM > > > > Unless you will be running large databases and websites in RAM I can't > > see you ever using up all of this. I'd save the money and buy faster > > memory (2133MHz, or 2400MHz), or if speed (O/C) is not important buy ECC > > memory instead. > > Good suggestion. > > >> - AMD FX-6300 Processor 3.5GHz w/ 14MB Cache > > > > A reliable workhorse and easy to O/C, but rather dated and overtaken both > > in performance and economy by Intel's products. If economy features in > > your requirements and you don't do heavy gaming you may want to consider > > AMD's APUs like Kaveri. In a few years you will probably save in > > electricity the small difference in price. > > Are Intel's CPU better now-a-days? Yes, I would think so. Both in terms of single core performance, multi-core performance and power consumption. > What is the difference: > AMD FX-6300 Vishera is 6-Core CPU > AMD A10-7850K Kaveri Quad-Core 3.7 GHz > > according to: > http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-FX-6300-vs-AMD-A10-7850K > AMD FX-6300 is the winner (I'm not an expert on it). Well, they can both be O/C'ed easily, (I have a Kaveri here running at 4200MHz) and it outperforms the FX-6300 in terms of single core throughput. It also does not need a graphics card (unless you're a gamer) hence you save GPU money there. > > You will need a better cooler for either, if you are going to O/C them. > > No, I have no need for over-clocking > > >> - Asus GeForce GT610 CMS 2GB PCI-E w/ DVI HDMI > > Most of the new video cards have only DVI or HDMI connections. > On my current setup I have two boxes using an old 9-pin (??) video > connection/cable connected via KVM switch, so quick hitting "2x Scroll > Lock" allows me for quick switching between them. If I replace the box > with DVI/HDMI connection I'll be looking for a new KVM hybrid switch (if > one exist) or a different solution. I only want one > mouse/monitor/keyboard to access them. There are VGA to DVI converters if this is what you need? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 11/06/2015 02:04 AM, Mick wrote: >> On Thursday 05 Nov 2015 23:45:11 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >>> I'm putting a new box, it will run Gentoo (hylafax, Asterisk) and >>> Windows 7 in VirtualBox (mainly). Box will run 24/7. >>> >>> Below are the components. Will I have a problem with any of them or is >>> there a better choice? >>> (the box need to be small as I don't have much room). >>> >>> - INWIN BL631 Low Power Micro ATX Case w/300W power supply >> What is the PSU? For a 24-7 server/workstation this becomes a critical >> component and other than your SSD a cause of early failure. Buy something >> with good quality capacitors (Japanese), or be prepared to get your >> soldering >> out in the not too distant future. > YES, yes that is my concern as well. Many of my boxes are running 24/7 > and I have replaced PSU many time. > For example I have: Intel Atom CPU 330 @1.60GHz (run 24/7 Hylafax + > Asterisk) > It a tiny box, has one of those external 12V power adapters, I have > replaced that adapter 2-times and my the PS fried as well at the same > time, so I think PS was responsible for it. I have now SSD 250GB in it. > > So yes, I would like to find good power supply with JAPANESE capacitors > if possible. That Chinese piece of CRAP doesn't last long. > > Any recommendation for PSU with JAPANESE capacitors? > My problem is I'm buying a small case again: > INWIN BL631 Low Power Micro ATX Case 13" x 3.8" x 14.4" > > so I don't know if I'll have very many choices when it comes to PSU > <<>> > -- > Thelma > > You may want to look at the reviews here: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews=Review_Cat=13 They test these themselves and if they pass their tests, they should be good. Also, they take them apart to see what parts are in there. That will give you a clue if it has good high quality caps in it or not. Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
I'm putting a new box, it will run Gentoo (hylafax, Asterisk) and Windows 7 in VirtualBox (mainly). Box will run 24/7. Below are the components. Will I have a problem with any of them or is there a better choice? (the box need to be small as I don't have much room). - INWIN BL631 Low Power Micro ATX Case w/300W power supply - Gigabit GA-78LMT-USB3 w/DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan - Samsung 850 EVO Series Solid State Drive 1-TB - LG GH240 SuperMulti 24x DVD Writer, SATA (not sure if I even need it)? - Kingston HyperX FURY Black 16GB DDR3-1600MHz CL 10 Dual Channel (4x 8GB) Total 32GB RAM - AMD FX-6300 Processor 3.5GHz w/ 14MB Cache - Asus GeForce GT610 CMS 2GB PCI-E w/ DVI HDMI -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
Please do not top-post. On Thursday, November 05, 2015 07:17:38 PM the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > When it comes to price I think the 1TB SDD is expensive in my case + > $177.99CAD warranty (though I don't know if I need warranty, or why they > are charging me for it)? It might be extended warranty. IOW, more then the usual factory warranty. I would ask them about that. > = > GRANT TOTAL: $1420.98 > > PS. Expensive like for a small box. I can't comment on prices, been a while since I looked into a new desktop. If that were Euros, I'd find it a lot for what you get. > Maybe I don't need 32GB or RAM but even 16GB RAM would save me only $112.99 My laptop has 16GB Ram and it works quite nicely. Doesn't use swap often. Also allows me to run VMs comfortably. > You might be right, maybe I'll add one HDD for backup (good suggestion). > The killer is my 1TB SSD $499.99CAD Get 1 SSD for the OS, software and your home directory. (240GB is usually enough) And 1 big HDD for your data. Keep your documents and other data out of the home directory if doing this. Reason I suggest your home directory on SSD is because programs tend to store a lot in your home directory which can benefit from a faster disk. > On 11/05/2015 06:56 PM, Philip Webb wrote: > > 151105 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > >> I'm putting a new box, it will run Gentoo (hylafax, Asterisk) > >> and Windows 7 in VirtualBox (mainly). Box will run 24/7. > >> - Gigabit GA-78LMT-USB3 w/DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan > >> - AMD FX-6300 Processor 3.5GHz w/ 14MB Cache Make sure the mainboard and CPU support hardware virtualisation. How many cores does it have? When running VMs, extra cores really help. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
On 11/05/2015 11:06 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > Please do not top-post. Thank you for reminder :-/ > > On Thursday, November 05, 2015 07:17:38 PM the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> When it comes to price I think the 1TB SDD is expensive in my case + >> $177.99CAD warranty (though I don't know if I need warranty, or why they >> are charging me for it)? > > It might be extended warranty. IOW, more then the usual factory warranty. > I would ask them about that. I think it might be Extended Warranty (I'll take it out), it is not worth it. > >> = >> GRANT TOTAL: $1420.98 >> >> PS. Expensive like for a small box. > > I can't comment on prices, been a while since I looked into a new desktop. > If that were Euros, I'd find it a lot for what you get. No, that was in Canadian Dollars $1420.98 in Euros it would be 952.53 and in USD 1054.92 >> Maybe I don't need 32GB or RAM but even 16GB RAM would save me only $112.99 > > My laptop has 16GB Ram and it works quite nicely. Doesn't use swap often. > Also allows me to run VMs comfortably. > >> You might be right, maybe I'll add one HDD for backup (good suggestion). >> The killer is my 1TB SSD $499.99CAD > > Get 1 SSD for the OS, software and your home directory. (240GB is usually > enough) > And 1 big HDD for your data. I think I'll get rid of Extended Warranty and take a this 1TB SSD > > Keep your documents and other data out of the home directory if doing this. I'm not sure I understand. Why keeping document our of the home dir.? > Reason I suggest your home directory on SSD is because programs tend to store > a lot in your home directory which can benefit from a faster disk. -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
151105 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > I'm putting a new box, it will run Gentoo (hylafax, Asterisk) > and Windows 7 in VirtualBox (mainly). Box will run 24/7. > Will I have a problem with any of these components ? > Is there a better choice ? > The box need to be small as I don't have much room. > > - INWIN BL631 Low Power Micro ATX Case w/300W power supply > - Gigabit GA-78LMT-USB3 w/DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan > - Samsung 850 EVO Series Solid State Drive 1-TB > - LG GH240 SuperMulti 24x DVD Writer, SATA > - Kingston HyperX FURY Black 16GB DDR3-1600MHz CL 10 Dual Channel > 4 x 8 GB Total 32 GB RAM > - AMD FX-6300 Processor 3.5GHz w/ 14MB Cache > - Asus GeForce GT610 CMS 2GB PCI-E w/ DVI HDMI > Do I need the DVD ? The machine I built in Sep has (prices in CAD) : 150914 CPU : AMD X8 FX8370E 8-core 4,3 GHz 16 MB 32 nm 95 W : 259.00 Direct replacement : 3 yr : 38.85 150926 Mobo : ASUS M5A97 LE AMD 970/SB8950 DDR3 1866 GHz : 104.99 150914 Memory : Kingston HyperX Fury 8 GB DDR3 1866 MHz CL10 : 68.99 150914 Graphix : Asus GT610 810 MHz clock 1200 MHz memory: 74.99 150914 SSD : Kingston SSDNow V300 240 GB SATA RW 450 MB/s: 109.99 150914 HDD : Seagate Desktop SATA3 1 TB 64 MB 6 GB/s : 57.99 Ont recycle fee :0.75 150914 DVD : Samsung SH-224FB 24x SATA 1.5 MB: 21.99 Ont recycle fee :0.75 150917 Case : Deepcool Terraract BF : 39.99 150917 PSU : Thermaltake TR2 500 W : 59.99 subtotal : 838.27 tax : 108.98 total : 947.25 Warranty : manufacturer : Memory life ; PSU 5 yr ; CPU Mobo Graphix SSD 3 yr ; HDD 1 yr . Mobo : back USB2 dead, froze w front USB3, destroyed FS on USB stick, case fan didn't start : returned for refund : 150914 Mobo : Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P 970+SB950 DDR3 2000 : 119.99 2x PCI-Express x16 GLAN 6xSATA 6.0 Gb/s 4xUSB 3.0 14xUSB 2.0 I had to return the Gigabyte mobo due to serious defects. Otherwise, everything as worked perfectly. I couldn't get it to hibernate, but that seems fairly common. Do you need 32 GB RAM ? -- I find 8 GB is more than enough, except when emerging LO + FF using tmpfs (they have to use a drive instead) ; you sb able to get 1866 GHz memory : mine is overclocked at 2133 GHz . I like to have optical back-ups in case Earth's poles reverse (grin), so the DVD drive will get used a couple of times a year. Your list omits an SSD drive : they're much faster than HDD, tho' you should have one of those too for back-ups etc. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
When it comes to price I think the 1TB SDD is expensive in my case + $177.99CAD warranty (though I don't know if I need warranty, or why they are charging me for it)? Here is my pricing in CAD - INWIN BL631 Low Power Micro ATX Case w/300W power supply $84.99 - Gigabit GA-78LMT-USB3 w/DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan $79.99 - Samsung 850 EVO Series Solid State Drive 1-TB $499.99 - LG GH240 SuperMulti 24x DVD Writer, SATA $24.99 - Kingston HyperX FURY Black 16GB DDR3-1600MHz CL 10 Dual Channel 4 x 8 GB Total 32 GB RAM $225.98 - AMD FX-6300 Processor 3.5GHz w/ 14MB Cache$144.99 - Asus GeForce GT610 CMS 2GB PCI-E w/ DVI HDMI $69.99 - assembly $40.00 - Warranty ??? $177.99 = TOTAL $1348.91 ADS for CPU v2 (WHAT IS THAT?) $4.40 GST $67.67 = GRANT TOTAL:$1420.98 PS. Expensive like for a small box. Maybe I don't need 32GB or RAM but even 16GB RAM would save me only $112.99 You might be right, maybe I'll add one HDD for backup (good suggestion). The killer is my 1TB SSD $499.99CAD -- Thelma On 11/05/2015 06:56 PM, Philip Webb wrote: > 151105 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> I'm putting a new box, it will run Gentoo (hylafax, Asterisk) >> and Windows 7 in VirtualBox (mainly). Box will run 24/7. >> Will I have a problem with any of these components ? >> Is there a better choice ? >> The box need to be small as I don't have much room. >> >> - INWIN BL631 Low Power Micro ATX Case w/300W power supply >> - Gigabit GA-78LMT-USB3 w/DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan >> - Samsung 850 EVO Series Solid State Drive 1-TB >> - LG GH240 SuperMulti 24x DVD Writer, SATA >> - Kingston HyperX FURY Black 16GB DDR3-1600MHz CL 10 Dual Channel >> 4 x 8 GB Total 32 GB RAM >> - AMD FX-6300 Processor 3.5GHz w/ 14MB Cache >> - Asus GeForce GT610 CMS 2GB PCI-E w/ DVI HDMI >> Do I need the DVD ? > > The machine I built in Sep has (prices in CAD) : > > 150914 CPU : AMD X8 FX8370E 8-core 4,3 GHz 16 MB 32 nm 95 W : 259.00 > Direct replacement : 3 yr : 38.85 > 150926 Mobo : ASUS M5A97 LE AMD 970/SB8950 DDR3 1866 GHz : 104.99 > 150914 Memory : Kingston HyperX Fury 8 GB DDR3 1866 MHz CL10 : 68.99 > 150914 Graphix : Asus GT610 810 MHz clock 1200 MHz memory: 74.99 > 150914 SSD : Kingston SSDNow V300 240 GB SATA RW 450 MB/s: 109.99 > 150914 HDD : Seagate Desktop SATA3 1 TB 64 MB 6 GB/s : 57.99 > Ont recycle fee :0.75 > 150914 DVD : Samsung SH-224FB 24x SATA 1.5 MB: 21.99 > Ont recycle fee :0.75 > 150917 Case : Deepcool Terraract BF : 39.99 > 150917 PSU : Thermaltake TR2 500 W : 59.99 > > subtotal : 838.27 >tax : 108.98 > total : 947.25 > > Warranty : manufacturer : > Memory life ; PSU 5 yr ; CPU Mobo Graphix SSD 3 yr ; HDD 1 yr . > > Mobo : back USB2 dead, froze w front USB3, destroyed FS on USB stick, > case fan didn't start : returned for refund : > > 150914 Mobo : Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P 970+SB950 DDR3 2000 : 119.99 > 2x PCI-Express x16 GLAN 6xSATA 6.0 Gb/s 4xUSB 3.0 14xUSB 2.0 > > I had to return the Gigabyte mobo due to serious defects. > Otherwise, everything as worked perfectly. > I couldn't get it to hibernate, but that seems fairly common. > Do you need 32 GB RAM ? -- I find 8 GB is more than enough, > except when emerging LO + FF using tmpfs (they have to use a drive instead) ; > you sb able to get 1866 GHz memory : mine is overclocked at 2133 GHz . > I like to have optical back-ups in case Earth's poles reverse (grin), > so the DVD drive will get used a couple of times a year. > > Your list omits an SSD drive : they're much faster than HDD, > tho' you should have one of those too for back-ups etc. >
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
On Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:31:31 PM the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 11/05/2015 11:06 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > Please do not top-post. > > Thank you for reminder :-/ > > > On Thursday, November 05, 2015 07:17:38 PM the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > >> When it comes to price I think the 1TB SDD is expensive in my case + > >> $177.99CAD warranty (though I don't know if I need warranty, or why they > >> are charging me for it)? > > > > It might be extended warranty. IOW, more then the usual factory warranty. > > I would ask them about that. > > I think it might be Extended Warranty (I'll take it out), it is not > worth it. > > >> = > >> GRANT TOTAL: $1420.98 > >> > >> PS. Expensive like for a small box. > > > > I can't comment on prices, been a while since I looked into a new desktop. > > If that were Euros, I'd find it a lot for what you get. > > No, that was in Canadian Dollars $1420.98 in Euros it would be 952.53 > and in USD 1054.92 > > >> Maybe I don't need 32GB or RAM but even 16GB RAM would save me only > >> $112.99 > > > > My laptop has 16GB Ram and it works quite nicely. Doesn't use swap often. > > Also allows me to run VMs comfortably. > > > >> You might be right, maybe I'll add one HDD for backup (good suggestion). > >> The killer is my 1TB SSD $499.99CAD > > > > Get 1 SSD for the OS, software and your home directory. (240GB is usually > > enough) > > And 1 big HDD for your data. > > I think I'll get rid of Extended Warranty and take a this 1TB SSD > > > Keep your documents and other data out of the home directory if doing > > this. > > I'm not sure I understand. Why keeping document our of the home dir.? Here is how I do it: 1 SSD (small, but big enough): - OS + Software + Home directories 1 HDD (Large) - Documents, Media, The reason I do it this way is: - SSD is fast and a lot of software tends to use the home directory for it's data, configuration, Problem with SSD: They are expensive when getting the bigger versions. - HDD is a lot cheaper and documents tend to be read once, edited for a lengthy period, then written once. Which is fine for HDD. The only exception I have to the above is my laptop. That one has a large SSD, but only because of the G-force restistance... -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo box
J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:31:31 PM the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> On 11/05/2015 11:06 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: >>> Please do not top-post. >> Thank you for reminder :-/ >> >>> On Thursday, November 05, 2015 07:17:38 PM the...@sys-concept.com wrote: When it comes to price I think the 1TB SDD is expensive in my case + $177.99CAD warranty (though I don't know if I need warranty, or why they are charging me for it)? >>> It might be extended warranty. IOW, more then the usual factory warranty. >>> I would ask them about that. >> I think it might be Extended Warranty (I'll take it out), it is not >> worth it. >> = GRANT TOTAL: $1420.98 PS. Expensive like for a small box. >>> I can't comment on prices, been a while since I looked into a new desktop. >>> If that were Euros, I'd find it a lot for what you get. >> No, that was in Canadian Dollars $1420.98 in Euros it would be 952.53 >> and in USD 1054.92 >> Maybe I don't need 32GB or RAM but even 16GB RAM would save me only $112.99 >>> My laptop has 16GB Ram and it works quite nicely. Doesn't use swap often. >>> Also allows me to run VMs comfortably. >>> You might be right, maybe I'll add one HDD for backup (good suggestion). The killer is my 1TB SSD $499.99CAD >>> Get 1 SSD for the OS, software and your home directory. (240GB is usually >>> enough) >>> And 1 big HDD for your data. >> I think I'll get rid of Extended Warranty and take a this 1TB SSD >> >>> Keep your documents and other data out of the home directory if doing >>> this. >> I'm not sure I understand. Why keeping document our of the home dir.? > Here is how I do it: > > 1 SSD (small, but big enough): > - OS + Software + Home directories > > 1 HDD (Large) > - Documents, Media, > > The reason I do it this way is: > - SSD is fast and a lot of software tends to use the home directory for it's > data, configuration, > > Problem with SSD: They are expensive when getting the bigger versions. > > - HDD is a lot cheaper and documents tend to be read once, edited for a > lengthy period, then written once. Which is fine for HDD. > > > The only exception I have to the above is my laptop. > That one has a large SSD, but only because of the G-force restistance... > > -- > Joost > > One added benefit, you just back up the one drive and you have all your personal stuff. The rest can be replaced by just reinstalling the OS, unless you have a backup for that too. . Mine is sort of like this only I don't have a SSD. My OS is on a fairly fast drive and my personal data is on a much larger drive, slightly slower. Looking back, I should have left /home on the same drive as the OS and just put my "Documents" directory on the large drive. It just didn't occur to me at the time. If I bought a SSD and put it in my rig, that's how I would do it. Everything on the SSD except my personal documents stuff. Those little .* directories inside /home// get read quite often, that seems really true for web browsers and such. Having those on a really fast drive should improve things a bit. If ya got it, may as well put it to use. Dale :-) :-)
