Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?
On Fri, 4 May 2012 03:37:05 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: In my completely uninformed guess... a) tmpfs automatically 'cleans up' every reboot, making sure old folders aren't sitting around stale even if something did go wrong, and/or b) it's guaranteed writable for the service that needs to make those mount points. I could probably come up with a 'c', but I'd likely have to actually do a bit of reading on the topic before rising looking even more foolishly un-read on the topic than I already do! :-P Here you go, one time c): /run can be guaranteed to exist immediately after / is mounted, which fixes a whole slew of really horrible problems if it isn't. But it cannot be guaranteed that / is mounted rw at this time, so /run o tmpfs makes sense from that perspective. However, it is an illogical place to mount removable devices, whereas the function of /media is immediately obvious from its name. The link given indicates that systemd was already mounting /media as a tmpfs, is it really worth switching to an unintuitive location for the mountpoints just to save one tmpfs which uses so little resources? -- Neil Bothwick If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?
On 04/13/2012 05:19 PM, walt wrote: A recent update (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives on /run/media instead of /media. Ha! I should have suspected Lennart from the beginning: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 01:18:04PM -0700, walt wrote On 04/13/2012 05:19 PM, walt wrote: A recent update (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives on /run/media instead of /media. Ha! I should have suspected Lennart from the beginning: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa Are we running Linux or are we running Lennax? -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/13/2012 05:19 PM, walt wrote: A recent update (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives on /run/media instead of /media. Ha! I should have suspected Lennart from the beginning: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa The link you posted has nothing to do with this; that's only a systemd-specific change in response to a change in udisks2. In other words, Lennart has nothing to do with this change, the responsible is David Zeuthen, udisks2 maintainer: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110773474140772402317/posts/NqPUifsFUYH And it's actually a pretty reasonable change (IMHO): now in multiseat configurations each user can plug a USB drive and only him/she will see it (unless it has the corresponding permissions). And anyway, if you are using a desktop system you don't care where the drive mounts, it just appears in your filemanager. If you are not using a desktop, then you should not have udisks2 installed, probably. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
[gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?
On 05/03/2012 02:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/13/2012 05:19 PM, walt wrote: A recent update (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives on /run/media instead of /media. Ha! I should have suspected Lennart from the beginning: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa The link you posted has nothing to do with this; that's only a systemd-specific change in response to a change in udisks2. In other words, Lennart has nothing to do with this change, the responsible is David Zeuthen, udisks2 maintainer: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110773474140772402317/posts/NqPUifsFUYH Thanks for the correction. And it's actually a pretty reasonable change (IMHO): now in multiseat configurations each user can plug a USB drive and only him/she will see it I've thought that for a long time. Mounting my own personal mount on a system directory never made any sense to me. However, /run/media is still a system directory, so it still doesn't make any sense to me. I think /home/wa1ter/media is a more logical choice. But I'm not doing the coding in this bazaar ;) The upstream dev(s) seem intent on mounting removable media on a tempfs for some reason. Do you know why? I understand completely the reason for inventing /run and making it a tempfs (I think Lennart *was* involved in that), but why use /run when it's not necessary or (IMHO) logical?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 6:00 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/03/2012 02:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/13/2012 05:19 PM, walt wrote: A recent update (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives on /run/media instead of /media. Ha! I should have suspected Lennart from the beginning: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa The link you posted has nothing to do with this; that's only a systemd-specific change in response to a change in udisks2. In other words, Lennart has nothing to do with this change, the responsible is David Zeuthen, udisks2 maintainer: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110773474140772402317/posts/NqPUifsFUYH Thanks for the correction. And it's actually a pretty reasonable change (IMHO): now in multiseat configurations each user can plug a USB drive and only him/she will see it I've thought that for a long time. Mounting my own personal mount on a system directory never made any sense to me. However, /run/media is still a system directory, so it still doesn't make any sense to me. I think /home/wa1ter/media is a more logical choice. But I'm not doing the coding in this bazaar ;) The upstream dev(s) seem intent on mounting removable media on a tempfs for some reason. Do you know why? So the mountpoint can be created on the fly, and so it is also volatile. The system could mkdir /media/mountpoint everytime a USB is plugged, and then rmdir /media/mountpoint when it's unplugged; but if something happens (a power failure or something similar), then you would need to manually remove the stale dir, or have a process do it from time to time. Actually, some years ago it was not rare to have such stale directories under /media. None of this happens with a tmpfs. I understand completely the reason for inventing /run and making it a tempfs (I think Lennart *was* involved in that), but why use /run when it's not necessary or (IMHO) logical? I don't know, really. gvfs (the new virtual filesystem for GNOME) mounts the remote shares in $HOME/.gvfs (which is also a tmpfs). I suppose a $HOME/.mount could be created. I personally don't care, but it is certainly not consistent. However, I agree with the idea of getting rid of the /media dir, and I have not used /mnt in years, so I'm thinking on deleting both so my root dir is cleaner. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:00 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/03/2012 02:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/13/2012 05:19 PM, walt wrote: A recent update (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives on /run/media instead of /media. Ha! I should have suspected Lennart from the beginning: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa The link you posted has nothing to do with this; that's only a systemd-specific change in response to a change in udisks2. In other words, Lennart has nothing to do with this change, the responsible is David Zeuthen, udisks2 maintainer: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110773474140772402317/posts/NqPUifsFUYH Thanks for the correction. And it's actually a pretty reasonable change (IMHO): now in multiseat configurations each user can plug a USB drive and only him/she will see it I've thought that for a long time. Mounting my own personal mount on a system directory never made any sense to me. However, /run/media is still a system directory, so it still doesn't make any sense to me. I think /home/wa1ter/media is a more logical choice. But I'm not doing the coding in this bazaar ;) The upstream dev(s) seem intent on mounting removable media on a tempfs for some reason. Do you know why? I understand completely the reason for inventing /run and making it a tempfs (I think Lennart *was* involved in that), but why use /run when it's not necessary or (IMHO) logical? In my completely uninformed guess... a) tmpfs automatically 'cleans up' every reboot, making sure old folders aren't sitting around stale even if something did go wrong, and/or b) it's guaranteed writable for the service that needs to make those mount points. I could probably come up with a 'c', but I'd likely have to actually do a bit of reading on the topic before rising looking even more foolishly un-read on the topic than I already do! :-P -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?
On Thu, 3 May 2012 20:33:19 -0400 Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:00 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/03/2012 02:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/13/2012 05:19 PM, walt wrote: A recent update (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives on /run/media instead of /media. Ha! I should have suspected Lennart from the beginning: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa The link you posted has nothing to do with this; that's only a systemd-specific change in response to a change in udisks2. In other words, Lennart has nothing to do with this change, the responsible is David Zeuthen, udisks2 maintainer: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110773474140772402317/posts/NqPUifsFUYH Thanks for the correction. And it's actually a pretty reasonable change (IMHO): now in multiseat configurations each user can plug a USB drive and only him/she will see it I've thought that for a long time. Mounting my own personal mount on a system directory never made any sense to me. However, /run/media is still a system directory, so it still doesn't make any sense to me. I think /home/wa1ter/media is a more logical choice. But I'm not doing the coding in this bazaar ;) The upstream dev(s) seem intent on mounting removable media on a tempfs for some reason. Do you know why? I understand completely the reason for inventing /run and making it a tempfs (I think Lennart *was* involved in that), but why use /run when it's not necessary or (IMHO) logical? In my completely uninformed guess... a) tmpfs automatically 'cleans up' every reboot, making sure old folders aren't sitting around stale even if something did go wrong, and/or b) it's guaranteed writable for the service that needs to make those mount points. I could probably come up with a 'c', but I'd likely have to actually do a bit of reading on the topic before rising looking even more foolishly un-read on the topic than I already do! :-P Here you go, one time c): /run can be guaranteed to exist immediately after / is mounted, which fixes a whole slew of really horrible problems if it isn't. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?
On 04/18/2012 10:04 AM, Claudio Roberto França Pereira wrote: How do you mount them automatically? Isn't there a middle-man software that mounts removable drives? I'm pretty sure I never had a drive automount without kde or gnome managing them. I forgot to check on this because I was distracted by other problems :) Yes, I think it must be a gnome thing because the USB sticks are mounted only when I startx, not earlier. I'll grep through some stuff and try to find where it comes from.
