Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:17:45 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2015 17:52:28 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:26:02 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: Oh, and do you know why the handbook now says to include a tiny grub partition before the boot partition, even on an MBR system? If you use GPT on a motherboard with BIOS, you need that partition. It's on UEFI systems that you don't need it. Yes, I know that. It's why I asked. I see what you're saying now, they are recommending it even if you don't use GPT, using a DOS partition table instead? I don't see the sense in that because you cannot set the appropriate partition type anyway with a DOS partition table? I suppose it could make switching to GPT at a later date less painful. -- Neil Bothwick BBS: (n.) a system for connecting computers and exchanging gossip, facts, and uninformed speculation under false names. pgpCNVPRXN97x.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On Wednesday 05 August 2015 17:52:28 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:26:02 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: Oh, and do you know why the handbook now says to include a tiny grub partition before the boot partition, even on an MBR system? If you use GPT on a motherboard with BIOS, you need that partition. It's on UEFI systems that you don't need it. Yes, I know that. It's why I asked. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 00:39:56 + (UTC), James wrote: Um, we can think out of the box for a new and cool installation semantic. Just look at blueness's posting (Gentoo Reference System) on www.gentoo.org as a new, and useful approach to installs for established gentoo admins. That's interesting, but not an installer. It's a means to building a standard reference system repeatedly that then needs installing. I see one major problem with a pointy-clicky YaST/Ananconda type installer: who is going to write it? Who has that particular itch bad enough to scratch it? An automated installer is another matter, write a config file and point it at some bare metal using something like Ansible, to allow sysadmins to roll out systems with less fiddling. -- Neil Bothwick But there, everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses. -- Jerome K. Jerome pgpcWY45rQxh6.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: Um, we can think out of the box for a new and cool installation semantic. Just look at blueness's posting (Gentoo Reference System) on www.gentoo.org as a new, and useful approach to installs for established gentoo admins. That's interesting, but not an installer. It's a means to building a standard reference system repeatedly that then needs installing. First, Anthony identifies but one popular need for gentooers with advanced skills to want (and highly desire) a robust method to install new gentoo systems. So it's not just the noobs, but devs and everybody in between that knows that this is a good idea. What do we end up with ? I'd hope several different approaches to installing real hardware as well as virtual hardware. The faster/simpler/error-free the better, imho::YMMV. Anthony's works is alpha so guys like yourself, with tons of experiences, could provide him ideas. You'll find he's quite a wonderful dev to work with collegial is a very accurate term to describe Anthony as a dev. I see one major problem with a pointy-clicky YaST/Ananconda type installer: who is going to write it? Who has that particular itch bad enough to scratch it? Rich0 said he'd modify the handbook into an experimental prose that leads to a raid-1 btrfs baseline system, if enough folks liked the ideas. I think that approach is best, because it makes all the 'die_hard handbook fans happy and can also server as a preliminary specification to an actual automated installation, not just for noobs. Add a dose of 'snapshots' (snapper) and we'd have a much better support semantic for noobs and the rest of us too! An automated installer is another matter, write a config file and point it at some bare metal using something like Ansible, to allow sysadmins to roll out systems with less fiddling. Yes, but they are inter-related issues, imho. Yes I like what you are saying. There are several needs here for automation of gentoo installs; not just for noobs, but for those of us trying to develop or stabilize other codes. HDFS, sucks as a distributed file system. HDFS is the source of many problems found in modern clustering. For me, I'm spending way too much time on trying to find an automated (semi-automated) install semantic for raid-1_btrfs. So my work on mesos [1] is very slow, ATM. Fix the installation problem, and I'll deliver (toes crossed tightly) the most 'bad ass' clustering technology currently available:: *Mesos + spark + storm + tachyon + cassandra* on gentoo (amd64). Then the stabilization work moves to arm64. Both platforms on top of btrfs/cephfs is going to be *smokin_wicked_cool*. Built from sources, gentoo will be quickly adopted by many expert linux types. The baggage/packaging problems, kernel tuning and optimization needs puts Gentoo in a unique position to dominate this space... That's my position and I'm sticking with it hth, James [1] http://www.openstacksv.com/2014/09/02/make-no-small-plans/
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 7:57 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Rich0 said he'd modify the handbook into an experimental prose that leads to a raid-1 btrfs baseline system, if enough folks liked the ideas. Just to clarify - I intend to do it, full stop. I don't want to generate some kind of please do it campaign - I was just saying that there seems to be interest so it is worth doing. I've just been travelling for the last few days. There really shouldn't be too much to this. -- Rich
[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Rich0 said he'd modify the handbook into an experimental prose that leads to a raid-1 btrfs baseline system, if enough folks liked the ideas. Just to clarify - I intend to do it, full stop. I don't want to generate some kind of please do it campaign - I was just saying that there seems to be interest so it is worth doing. Sorry for putting you on the spot. But, there is a multitude of good things that will flow out of your efforts, Blueness efforts and those of muffblaster and many more. There are many needs, all inter-related, imho. I've just been travelling for the last few days. There really shouldn't be too much to this. No worries! I'll predict that this (raid1/btrfs) is going to be 'massively successful' as an addition to the handbook, for a wide variety of reasons. Btrfs on top of cephfs is the best FOSS distributed file system currently available in open source form. Commercially supported DFS, like BeeGFS have one foot in the opensource world (client side) but I'm not sure the rest of the code is 'palatable' to the FOSS world and gentoo devs. [1] This site has several interesting documents on beeGFS; as it is being utilized by some very aggressive folks when it comes to HPC. It's worth watching. Btrfs/Cephfs gets the rank and file gentoo community into Distributed File Systems; and that's a very good idea, imho. This combo supports RDMA (RoCE) [2] Cephfs + btrfs have both been aggressively supported on arm8v. So both embedded gentoo on arm8v and servers based on chips like the AMD arm64 server chipsets are all set to 'rock and roll' as soon as these devices start shipping in quantity (~christmas 2015). THANKS Rich! James [1] http://www.beegfs.com/content/news/ Introduction_to_BEEFGS_by_ThinkParQ.pdf [2] http://www.networkcomputing.com/networking/will-rdma-over-ethernet-eclipse-infiniband/a/d-id/1316950
[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On 2015-08-05, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:28:25 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: The Gentoo instructions look competent enough to do well for most of the people it's designed for, if only they aren't trying to do as currently I, avoid systemd. Eh? The Handbook is for an OpenRC install, it's the systemd users that have to jump through extra hoops. That's a relief. I was panicking for a minute there that somehow Gentoo had turned on me since that last time I did an install (several months ago) and was now trying to shove systemd down everybody's throat. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I can't decide which at WRONG TURN to make first!! gmail.comI wonder if BOB GUCCIONE has these problems!
[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On 2015-08-05, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/08/2015 20:30, Felix Miata wrote: Seriously, more than a day? Bwahahahaha! You are too funny! THREE WEEKS is not uncommon for this. I am not joking. Remember, I have done it, and so have many others here. It was fun the first time, now it is just a major PITA Mostly it just provides an opportunity to prove you're too stubborn for your own good. About 20% of the way through, it's pretty apparent that giving up and installing from scratch will be a lot faster. At this point, you've learned most of what you're going to learn, and it's just a long hard slog the rest of the way. But do you give up and do a fresh install? No, you keep going because it's there. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! The SAME WAVE keeps at coming in and COLLAPSING gmail.comlike a rayon MUU-MUU ...
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On 05/08/2015 16:27, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2015-08-05, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/08/2015 20:30, Felix Miata wrote: Seriously, more than a day? Bwahahahaha! You are too funny! THREE WEEKS is not uncommon for this. I am not joking. Remember, I have done it, and so have many others here. It was fun the first time, now it is just a major PITA Mostly it just provides an opportunity to prove you're too stubborn for your own good. About 20% of the way through, it's pretty apparent that giving up and installing from scratch will be a lot faster. At this point, you've learned most of what you're going to learn, and it's just a long hard slog the rest of the way. But do you give up and do a fresh install? No, you keep going because it's there. But of course! Pig-headedness trumping sane rational thought is a hallmark of typical Gentoo users ( or at least a not-insignificant subset of them) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-08-05, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:28:25 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: The Gentoo instructions look competent enough to do well for most of the people it's designed for, if only they aren't trying to do as currently I, avoid systemd. Eh? The Handbook is for an OpenRC install, it's the systemd users that have to jump through extra hoops. That's a relief. I was panicking for a minute there that somehow Gentoo had turned on me since that last time I did an install (several months ago) and was now trying to shove systemd down everybody's throat. Just to humor you I'll include an OpenRC version of my raid1 btrfs install walkthrough. :) It has been a while since I've done one of those... -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On Wednesday 05 August 2015 10:43:28 Rich Freeman wrote: Just to humor you I'll include an OpenRC version of my raid1 btrfs install walkthrough. :) It has been a while since I've done one of those... Me too please, Rich. I still haven't got this six-year-old MBR box to boot raid1 btrfs. Oh, and do you know why the handbook now says to include a tiny grub partition before the boot partition, even on an MBR system? -- Rgds Peter -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:26:02 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: Oh, and do you know why the handbook now says to include a tiny grub partition before the boot partition, even on an MBR system? If you use GPT on a motherboard with BIOS, you need that partition. It's on UEFI systems that you don't need it. -- Neil Bothwick Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by moving to where you can't find them. pgpOz0hxNsmMb.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 14:27:08 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: THREE WEEKS is not uncommon for this. I am not joking. Remember, I have done it, and so have many others here. It was fun the first time, now it is just a major PITA Mostly it just provides an opportunity to prove you're too stubborn for your own good. About 20% of the way through, it's pretty apparent that giving up and installing from scratch will be a lot faster. At this point, you've learned most of what you're going to learn, and it's just a long hard slog the rest of the way. But do you give up and do a fresh install? No, you keep going because it's there. But of course, otherwise you would have wasted that 20% of the time, just don't think about the other 80% you're about to waste. You just need to make it to 50% and you can justify the rest. This reminds me of a Douglas Adams quote I have a well-deserved reputation for being something of a gadget freak, and am rarely happier than when spending an entire day programming my computer to perform automatically a task that would otherwise take me a good ten seconds to do by hand. -- Neil Bothwick When told the reason for Daylight Saving time the old Indian said... Only a white man would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket And sew it to the bottom of a blanket and have a longer blanket. pgpJQnOJPNhQd.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2015 10:43:28 Rich Freeman wrote: Just to humor you I'll include an OpenRC version of my raid1 btrfs install walkthrough. :) It has been a while since I've done one of those... Me too please, Rich. I still haven't got this six-year-old MBR box to boot raid1 btrfs. FWIW, my notes are at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VJlJyYLTZScta9a81xgKOIBjYsG3_VfxxmUSxG23Uxg/edit?usp=sharing I plan to clean this up for a blog and perhaps wiki article. However, anybody should be able to just follow those notes and get a bootable system. Note that I skipped some stuff like network setup, but I did install everything you should need to configure the network. I've worked through the openrc install, and I'm working through the systemd install now. Really the only thing you do different for systemd is select a different profile, pick the right kernel config, and enable system in the grub configuration. For non-systemd you again pick the non-systemd profile you want, pick the openrc kernel config, and don't mess with grub. For UEFI it would need a tiny bit more work, and a FAT32 boot partition (which I left off - I just did a simple MBR install here). Feel free to comment on the notes if you want to contibute, or think that a particular point needs clarification. Again, these are just notes and I do plan to wikify it, but I don't necessarily plan to recreate the entire handbook with these steps thrown in - if anything it would probably make more sense to just add a few notes to the existing handbook. Really the only thing that is btrfs-specific here is using grub2 (which is the default anyway), the btrfs setup at the start, the fstab, and installing btrfs-progs. The kernel is also overkill, being based on the install CD (which obviously got you that far already, but probably includes a lot of modules you don't need). Being an initramfs install the kernel is modular, so you're only sacrificing kernel build time, not kernel memory at runtime. -- Rich
[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards at gmail.com writes: I've tried that pathway. Many times. The mostly unattended installers all install things I don't want, pick options I don't like, and end up configured to do things the way the authors of the installer wanted to do things rather than the way I want to do things. Um, we can think out of the box for a new and cool installation semantic. Just look at blueness's posting (Gentoo Reference System) on www.gentoo.org as a new, and useful approach to installs for established gentoo admins. If we (gentoo) had a simple installation semantic, this sort of problem would most likely disappear; so the wider community could delve into other technical support issues.. YMMV. There are tons of options for a simple installation semantic if that's what people want. I don't see any benefit in turning Gentoo into yet another me too one-click installation trying to compete with RedHat and Ubuntu. Non-sequitur argument. Just because we'd have an *optional installer* does not mean anyone would have to use it. Folks can still install the way they like, including using ansible as Stefan does. Currently you have to spin your own ansible setup, but it'd not be that difficult for a gentoo reference install, based on ansible either. More options are better, imho. No you, as an astute user, can choose any installation semantic, including rolling your own. I'm curious to see Felix's responses. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
James wrote: Felix Miata mrmazda at earthlink.net writes: 1-I just find upgrade processes more enjoyable than inital installations and their follow-up tedium getting from defaults back to the way I like things to work. Now that I've seen several thread responses subsequent to this one, I'm leaning towared just doing a fresh installation, but I'm curious about what would happen by trying, and how long it really would take. Interesting choice:: how do you like your choices, Felix? To the wider list of gentoo hacks:: Still think we do not need an easier installation semantic? If he decides to 'upgrade' there will be tons of man-hours spent on this effort. If we had a mostly unattended basic installation semantic (proceedure/install) I bet he (Felix) would choose that pathway. Felix, care to comment? If we (gentoo) had a simple installation semantic, this sort of problem would most likely disappear; so the wider community could delve into other technical support issues.. YMMV. James For me, it wouldn't matter if Gentoo had a installer or not. It still would be faster to do a fresh install even without a installer. So, it doesn't matter really. Most of the install time is waiting on a compile, especially on a older and slower machine. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On 2015-08-04, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Felix Miata mrmazda at earthlink.net writes: 1-I just find upgrade processes more enjoyable than inital installations and their follow-up tedium getting from defaults back to the way I like things to work. Now that I've seen several thread responses subsequent to this one, I'm leaning towared just doing a fresh installation, but I'm curious about what would happen by trying, and how long it really would take. Interesting choice:: how do you like your choices, Felix? To the wider list of gentoo hacks:: Still think we do not need an easier installation semantic? If he decides to 'upgrade' there will be tons of man-hours spent on this effort. If we had a mostly unattended basic installation semantic (proceedure/install) I bet he (Felix) would choose that pathway. I've tried that pathway. Many times. The mostly unattended installers all install things I don't want, pick options I don't like, and end up configured to do things the way the authors of the installer wanted to do things rather than the way I want to do things. If we (gentoo) had a simple installation semantic, this sort of problem would most likely disappear; so the wider community could delve into other technical support issues.. YMMV. There are tons of options for a simple installation semantic if that's what people want. I don't see any benefit in turning Gentoo into yet another me too one-click installation trying to compete with RedHat and Ubuntu. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Let's all show human at CONCERN for REVERAND MOON's gmail.comlegal difficulties!!
[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
Felix Miata mrmazda at earthlink.net writes: 1-I just find upgrade processes more enjoyable than inital installations and their follow-up tedium getting from defaults back to the way I like things to work. Now that I've seen several thread responses subsequent to this one, I'm leaning towared just doing a fresh installation, but I'm curious about what would happen by trying, and how long it really would take. Interesting choice:: how do you like your choices, Felix? To the wider list of gentoo hacks:: Still think we do not need an easier installation semantic? If he decides to 'upgrade' there will be tons of man-hours spent on this effort. If we had a mostly unattended basic installation semantic (proceedure/install) I bet he (Felix) would choose that pathway. Felix, care to comment? If we (gentoo) had a simple installation semantic, this sort of problem would most likely disappear; so the wider community could delve into other technical support issues.. YMMV. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On Tue, 4 Aug 2015 20:59:47 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: No way on 32-bit Athlon. I have Athlon-XP. Even with distcc to Core2Duo it takes about 10 days of compilation time to build all stuff, I'm not counting time to fix all failures here. Well, I have 3000 packages installed... He's going to have to compile all the user-space stuff either way (upgrade or fresh install), so how long that takes is moot. Except that with an upgrade the old versions are still there and, usually, usable while compiling the new. -- Neil Bothwick Adolescence, n.: The stage between puberty and adultery. pgplWKRcfs5S7.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On 2015-08-04, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: That's right, May 2011, my first and only Gentoo installation, 32 bit on an old Athlon, which means no sse2, and kernel 2.6.37. It coexists in multiboot on one HD with 12 installations of Fedora and openSUSE. I'd like to upgrade it rather than installing fresh, Can we ask why? if it's doable. It probably is (for some degnerate value of doable). My gut feeling is that a fresh install is going to be a _lot_ easier and faster. A fresh install will take a couple hours. An upgrade will take somewhere between a couple days and a couple weeks. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Is it 1974? What's at for SUPPER? Can I spend gmail.commy COLLEGE FUND in one wild afternoon??
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On Tuesday 04 Aug 2015 18:20:40 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2015-08-04, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: That's right, May 2011, my first and only Gentoo installation, 32 bit on an old Athlon, which means no sse2, and kernel 2.6.37. It coexists in multiboot on one HD with 12 installations of Fedora and openSUSE. I'd like to upgrade it rather than installing fresh, Can we ask why? if it's doable. It probably is (for some degnerate value of doable). My gut feeling is that a fresh install is going to be a _lot_ easier and faster. A fresh install will take a couple hours. An upgrade will take somewhere between a couple days and a couple weeks. +1 Back up your /var/lib/portage/world and /etc, then use a LiveCD to follow the Gentoo handbook. After you download and untar a stage 3 filesystem you can copy back your /var/lib/portage/world, build a new kernel and emerge -uaDv world You can use your old config files in your /etc back up to make any quick edits necessary on your new installation. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On 2015-08-04, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 4 Aug 2015 17:20:40 + (UTC) Grant Edwards wrote: On 2015-08-04, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: That's right, May 2011, my first and only Gentoo installation, 32 bit on an old Athlon, which means no sse2, and kernel 2.6.37. It coexists in multiboot on one HD with 12 installations of Fedora and openSUSE. I'd like to upgrade it rather than installing fresh, Can we ask why? if it's doable. It probably is (for some degnerate value of doable). My gut feeling is that a fresh install is going to be a _lot_ easier and faster. A fresh install will take a couple hours. With all userspace software? No. I'm just talking about the basic OS stuff. No way on 32-bit Athlon. I have Athlon-XP. Even with distcc to Core2Duo it takes about 10 days of compilation time to build all stuff, I'm not counting time to fix all failures here. Well, I have 3000 packages installed... He's going to have to compile all the user-space stuff either way (upgrade or fresh install), so how long that takes is moot. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I wish I was on a at Cincinnati street corner gmail.comholding a clean dog!
[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On 2015-08-04, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Grant Edwards composed on 2015-08-04 17:20 (UTC): My gut feeling is that a fresh install is going to be a _lot_ easier For some degenerate value of easier. :-) and faster. A fresh install will take a couple hours. An upgrade will take somewhere between a couple days and a couple weeks. Seriously, more than a day? Probably. There have beens some major changes in the past 4 years. The last time I tried up upgrade a system that was more than a year old, it took a couple days. Portage was unable to resolve a lot of conflects and blockers. I hand to uninstall a _lot_ of stuff to get to the point where portage could be convinced to do any upgrades at all. It would have been way faster to do a fresh install. Now that I've seen several thread responses subsequent to this one, I'm leaning towared just doing a fresh installation, but I'm curious about what would happen by trying, and how long it really would take. Give it a try and let us know how it goes. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I'm having an at EMOTIONAL OUTBURST!! But, gmail.comuh, WHY is there a WAFFLE in my PAJAMA POCKET??
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
On Tue, 4 Aug 2015 17:20:40 + (UTC) Grant Edwards wrote: On 2015-08-04, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: That's right, May 2011, my first and only Gentoo installation, 32 bit on an old Athlon, which means no sse2, and kernel 2.6.37. It coexists in multiboot on one HD with 12 installations of Fedora and openSUSE. I'd like to upgrade it rather than installing fresh, Can we ask why? if it's doable. It probably is (for some degnerate value of doable). My gut feeling is that a fresh install is going to be a _lot_ easier and faster. A fresh install will take a couple hours. With all userspace software? No way on 32-bit Athlon. I have Athlon-XP. Even with distcc to Core2Duo it takes about 10 days of compilation time to build all stuff, I'm not counting time to fix all failures here. Well, I have 3000 packages installed... An upgrade will take somewhere between a couple days and a couple weeks. Best regards, Andrew Savchenko pgpIgLqQq7xXs.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: want to upgrade 50 month old installation
Felix Miata mrmazda at earthlink.net writes: That's right, May 2011, my first and only Gentoo installation, 32 bit on an old Athlon, which means no sse2, and kernel 2.6.37. It coexists in multiboot on one HD with 12 installations of Fedora and openSUSE. I'd like to upgrade it rather than installing fresh, if it's doable. Any suggestions or words of wisdom? Hello Felix. You might want to look at these (2) resources if you are still intent on the upgrade pathway of an old gentoo installation:: [1] http://blog.siphos.be/2015/01/old-gentoo-system-not-a-problem/ [2] https://blog.jolexa.net/2009/03/gentoo-tips-to-upgrade-your- really-old-installation/ hth, James
