[gentoo-user] emerge curiosity
As shown below, why wouldn't emerge -u world pick up the update available for gdm? Actually, I think it is probably because it is not listed in /var/lib/portage/world so I guess I am actually wondering why it wouldn't be listed there? Obviously my system knows gdm is installed but how does it know this? I guess I was always under the impression that everything I installed would be placed in /var/lib/portage/world. Obviously not. I know I can edit that file and add gdm dut that doesn't really answer my question. I am sure this is a minor issue that I just can't find in the man pages but I am trying to 1) learn something that I am obviously missing 2) determine if there are any other updates that emerge -Du world might be missing. Thanks in advance. Reg [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ sudo emerge -ua world These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating world dependencies ...done! Nothing to merge; do you want me to auto-clean packages? [Yes/No] no Quitting. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ sudo emerge -ua gdm These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild U ] gnome-base/librsvg-2.9.5 [2.8.1-r1] [ebuild U ] gnome-base/gdm-2.6.0.9-r3 [2.6.0.6] Do you want me to merge these packages? [Yes/No] no Quitting. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge curiosity
It's likely that gnome-base/gdm isn't in your world file. An easy way to check this is: grep gnome-base/gdm /var/lib/portage/world It's more than likely a dependancy of some other gnome project that hasn't upgraded its requirements to gdm. A way to upgrade dependancies is to add --deep or just -D to your emerge world, e.g. emerge -Duva world One other useful flag you may have missed is also --newuse or -N, which rechecks use flags on all packages, just in case you've tweaked your flags recently. On 6/9/05, reg hughson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As shown below, why wouldn't emerge -u world pick up the update available for gdm? Actually, I think it is probably because it is not listed in /var/lib/portage/world so I guess I am actually wondering why it wouldn't be listed there? Obviously my system knows gdm is installed but how does it know this? I guess I was always under the impression that everything I installed would be placed in /var/lib/portage/world. Obviously not. I know I can edit that file and add gdm dut that doesn't really answer my question. I am sure this is a minor issue that I just can't find in the man pages but I am trying to 1) learn something that I am obviously missing 2) determine if there are any other updates that emerge -Du world might be missing. Thanks in advance. Reg [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ sudo emerge -ua world These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating world dependencies ...done! Nothing to merge; do you want me to auto-clean packages? [Yes/No] no Quitting. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ sudo emerge -ua gdm These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild U ] gnome-base/librsvg-2.9.5 [2.8.1-r1] [ebuild U ] gnome-base/gdm-2.6.0.9-r3 [2.6.0.6] Do you want me to merge these packages? [Yes/No] no Quitting. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge curiosity
On 12:16 Thu 09 Jun , reg hughson wrote: As shown below, why wouldn't emerge -u world pick up the update available for gdm? Actually, I think it is probably because it is not listed in /var/lib/portage/world so I guess I am actually wondering why it wouldn't be listed there? Obviously my system knows gdm is installed but how does it know this? I guess I was always under the impression that everything I installed would be placed in /var/lib/portage/world. Obviously not. I know I can edit that file and add gdm dut that doesn't really answer my question. I am sure this is a minor issue that I just can't find in the man pages but I am trying to 1) learn something that I am obviously missing 2) determine if there are any other updates that emerge -Du world might be missing. emerge -uD world should want to upgrade gdm. Here's how it works: You type emerge foo, and bar gets installed as a dep of foo, and baz gets installed as a dep of bar. foo gets recorded in your world file, but bar and baz don't. All 3 get entries in /var/db/pkg. Now, if you do emerge -u world should pickup updates for foo and bar, but not baz. emerge -uD world should pickup updates for foo, bar and baz. But if foo gets removed or stops depending on bar and nothing else depends on bar, then even emerge -uD world or emerge -e world won't pickup updates of bar or baz. If you still wanted bar in this case you could do emerge -n bar, and it'd get added to your world file without being re-emerged. Why not add everything to your world file? I believe that it slows portage down because it has to check the deps of more packages. It also means that if libbar gets installed as a dep of appfoo, and then you decided you don't want appfoo anymore and unmerge it then you'd still keep getting updates for libfoo, and emerge depclean wouldn't remove it. It's also harder to maintain/find stuff in a larger world file. hth, Dave -- djm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge curiosity
reg hughson schreef: As shown below, why wouldn't emerge -u world pick up the update available for gdm? Actually, I think it is probably because it is not listed in /var/lib/portage/world so I guess I am actually wondering why it wouldn't be listed there? Obviously my system knows gdm is installed but how does it know this? I guess I was always under the impression that everything I installed would be placed in /var/lib/portage/world. Obviously not. I know I can edit that file and add gdm dut that doesn't really answer my question. It knows this because GDM is a dependency of the gnome meta-package. If you installed that, then GDM was pulled in as a dependency, but dependencies are not placed in the world file. Had you installed (for example) the gnome-light package, which does not install GDM as a dependency, in order to get GDM you would have had to explicitly emerge it, which would have placed it in your world file. If you want to be sure that dependencies will be updated as well as listed packages, use emerge -uaD(tv) world instead of emerge -ua(v) world The --deep switch makes Portage also check the update availability of dependencies of the packages in your world file. Hope this helps. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge curiosity
--- reg hughson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As shown below, why wouldn't emerge -u world pick up the update available for gdm? Actually, I think it is probably because it is not listed in /var/lib/portage/world so I guess I am actually wondering why it wouldn't be listed there? It was merged indirectly as a dependency. Obviously my system knows gdm is installed but how does it know this? I guess I was always under the The installed package database is in /var/db/pkg. impression that everything I installed would be placed in /var/lib/portage/world. Obviously not. I know I can edit that file and add gdm dut that doesn't really answer my question. I am sure this is a minor issue that I just can't find in the man pages but I am trying to 1) learn something that I am obviously missing 2) determine if there are any other updates that emerge -Du world might be missing. emerge -uD world will upgrade all packages to the latest (unmasked) versions. Nothing will be missed. Like Wade said, the a, v, and N options are also recommended. Zac __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge curiosity
--- reg hughson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all but in hindsight, I guess I should have posted my emerge -Du world as it does not reveal the upgrade for gdm either. So I guess at one point, gdm got pulled in as part of something else that no longer is on my system? How would I find other programs that may exist in a similiar state? emerge -a depclean You need to study your emerge manpage ;-) Zac __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge curiosity
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- reg hughson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all but in hindsight, I guess I should have posted my emerge -Du world as it does not reveal the upgrade for gdm either. So I guess at one point, gdm got pulled in as part of something else that no longer is on my system? How would I find other programs that may exist in a similiar state? emerge -a depclean You need to study your emerge manpage ;-) Zac You're rightgdm comes up during depclean. Actually, as you point out, my answer was in the emerge page all along. The man page states that emerge generates a list of packages which it expects to be installed by checking the system package list and the world file. Which brings me to my final questions...where is this package list? Is it, as one person already stated, simply the list of directories, etc. below /var/lib/pkg? And if it is, then how does one do an emerge -Du on the package list, not just the world list, thereby updating EVERYTHING on your system? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge curiosity
--- reg hughson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The man page states that emerge generates a list of packages which it expects to be installed by checking the system package list and the world file. Which brings me to my final questions...where is this package list? Is it, as one person already stated, simply the list of directories, etc. below /var/lib/pkg? And if it is, then how does one do an emerge -Du on the package list, not just the world list, thereby updating EVERYTHING on your system? The system package list comes from the profile linked from /etc/make.profile. Portage uses stacked or cascading profiles now so it uses all the package files of your profile and all the ones inherited from it's parents. In the emerge manpage it says that the system class is a subset of the world class so emerge -uDN world does everything. Zac __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge curiosity
--- Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- reg hughson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The man page states that emerge generates a list of packages which it expects to be installed by checking the system package list and the world file. Which brings me to my final questions...where is this package list? Is it, as one person already stated, simply the list of directories, etc. below /var/lib/pkg? And if it is, then how does one do an emerge -Du on the package list, not just the world list, thereby updating EVERYTHING on your system? The system package list comes from the profile linked from /etc/make.profile. Portage uses stacked or cascading profiles now so it uses all the package files of your profile and all the ones inherited from it's parents. In the emerge manpage it says that the system class is a subset of the world class so emerge -uDN world does everything. Zac I forgot to mention revdep-rebuild. The commands I would use for a complete update are as follows: emerge -auDN world emerge -a depclean revdep-rebuild -a The revdep-rebuild is needed to fix any dynamic links that may have been broken in the first 2 commands. I recommend the maintenance release of of revdep-rebuild because it allows you to mask binary packages with SEARCH_DIRS_MASK in make.conf. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62644 Zac __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge curiosity
--- reg hughson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do understand that but clearly on my system, emerge -DuN world does not do everything as it misses gdm. Searching back through my old emerge Like I said, use emerge -a depclean to spot packages like that. If you want any of those packages just add them to your world file where they belong. Zac __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
