Re: [gentoo-user] rsync from ext3 to vfat?
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:12:40 -0800 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm looking for what rsync options I can use to copy existing files on an ext3 file system to an external eSATA drive formatted with vfat. I think I want to match only the name, creation date file size. The eSATA drive needs to be vfat due to limitations of the audio/video device it will be plugged into. You will have problems if you try to rsync a maildir folder: stefan@g128 .maildir % ls -l cur total 12772 -rw--- 1 stefan stefan6177 27. Jul 2011 1311745926.M692969P7969.g128,S=6177,W=6324:2,RS The : in the filename will throw *fat as well as ntfs. At least it did when I tried it here last time. The devil's in the details, as always. s.
Re: [gentoo-user] rsync from ext3 to vfat?
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 01:31:38PM +0100, Stefan Schmiedl wrote: Hi, I'm looking for what rsync options I can use to copy existing files on an ext3 file system to an external eSATA drive formatted with vfat. You will have problems if you try to rsync a maildir folder: stefan@g128 .maildir % ls -l cur total 12772 -rw--- 1 stefan stefan6177 27. Jul 2011 1311745926.M692969P7969.g128,S=6177,W=6324:2,RS you can write a colon in an NTFS filename, you won't be able to access the file in Windows though, due to it using : as drive separator. But a funny quirk is that you can't create dot-files in Explorer (.someting), because it thinks the file has no name then, but only an extension. One has to use the console then. OTOH the OP wants to use the FAT disk in a media device. I don't expect it to handle maildir. *g* -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder. pgp09ocgtouMf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] rsync from ext3 to vfat?
Actually, NTFS uses the colon, too, for identifying alternate data streams... Remember, kids, NTFS is a database, not a file system. It is therefore quite convoluted. -- Sent from my Ice Cream Sandwich powered Kindle Fire! Pardon any typos... On Feb 20, 2012 11:48 AM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 01:31:38PM +0100, Stefan Schmiedl wrote: Hi, I'm looking for what rsync options I can use to copy existing files on an ext3 file system to an external eSATA drive formatted with vfat. You will have problems if you try to rsync a maildir folder: stefan@g128 .maildir % ls -l cur total 12772 -rw--- 1 stefan stefan6177 27. Jul 2011 1311745926.M692969P7969.g128,S=6177,W=6324:2,RS you can write a colon in an NTFS filename, you won't be able to access the file in Windows though, due to it using : as drive separator. But a funny quirk is that you can't create dot-files in Explorer (.someting), because it thinks the file has no name then, but only an extension. One has to use the console then. OTOH the OP wants to use the FAT disk in a media device. I don't expect it to handle maildir. *g* -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
Re: [gentoo-user] rsync from ext3 to vfat?
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 01:31:38PM +0100, Stefan Schmiedl wrote: Hi, I'm looking for what rsync options I can use to copy existing files on an ext3 file system to an external eSATA drive formatted with vfat. You will have problems if you try to rsync a maildir folder: stefan@g128 .maildir % ls -l cur total 12772 -rw--- 1 stefan stefan 6177 27. Jul 2011 1311745926.M692969P7969.g128,S=6177,W=6324:2,RS you can write a colon in an NTFS filename, you won't be able to access the file in Windows though, due to it using : as drive separator. But a funny quirk is that you can't create dot-files in Explorer (.someting), because it thinks the file has no name then, but only an extension. One has to use the console then. OTOH the OP wants to use the FAT disk in a media device. I don't expect it to handle maildir. *g* In my case these are just *.mp4 files ripped by HandBrake and placed on a FAT drive as my HDTV has a USB port and the ability to play files from a USB drive. The setup is working very nicely at this point. The family likes being able to use the TV instead of watching over Ethernet on a computer. The TV can also access the machine where I rip DVDs but that requires the computer to be turned on and a web server running which isn't always the case. Anyway, it seems like people answering want to make this more difficult than it was, or answer some question other than what I asked. I have no problem with that - do what you want here in this thread, I'm a supporter - but it doesn't necessarily address my concerns. At this point everything works. The only thing I'm putting up is that the rsync operation still tries to change owner group, cannot do it on fat, and gives me an error message about each of those problems. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] rsync from ext3 to vfat?
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 08:57:45AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Anyway, it seems like people answering want to make this more difficult than it was, or answer some question other than what I asked. I have no problem with that - do what you want here in this thread, I'm a supporter - but it doesn't necessarily address my concerns. That's what generally happens in a Linux ML. It's all about choice and the freedom thereof. ;-) -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. I couldn’t remember that telephone joke at first, but then it rang a bell. pgp7wqj7wsRY0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] rsync from ext3 to vfat?
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:12:40PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, I'm looking for what rsync options I can use to copy existing files on an ext3 file system to an external eSATA drive formatted with vfat. I think I want to match only the name, creation date file size. The eSATA drive needs to be vfat due to limitations of the audio/video device it will be plugged into. Thanks in advance for any ideas. Cheers, Mark FWIW, I routinely backup important directories with rsync from ext3 and ext4 file systems to vfat, with no additional options. The command I use is: sudo rsync -vvvruxi --size-only --exclude-from=/home/rh/rsync-home-excl-list /home/rh/ /mnt/Datastor/Gentoo/ for the home directory. HTH. Terry
Re: [gentoo-user] rsync from ext3 to vfat?
On 02/17/2012 03:12 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: I'm looking for what rsync options I can use to copy existing files on an ext3 file system to an external eSATA drive formatted with vfat. I think I want to match only the name, creation date file size. The eSATA drive needs to be vfat due to limitations of the audio/video device it will be plugged into. rsync works just fine with any normal set of options when using any sort of FAT as a destination. There are, of course, a couple of gotchas: - FAT has limitations on file sizes. - FAT cannot store permissions or ACLs - FAT does not support extended attributes Other than that, though, you should be good. --- Mike -- A man who reasons deliberately, manages it better after studying Logic than he could before, if he is sincere about it and has common sense. --- Carveth Read, “Logic” signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] rsync from ext3 to vfat?
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:03 PM, m...@trausch.us m...@trausch.us wrote: rsync works just fine with any normal set of options when using any sort of FAT as a destination. There are, of course, a couple of gotchas: - FAT has limitations on file sizes. - FAT cannot store permissions or ACLs - FAT does not support extended attributes Other than that, though, you should be good. Add FAT considers two filenames that are the same except for case as the same filename to that list. NTFS has the same limitation. -- Manuel A. McLure WW1FA man...@mclure.org http://www.mclure.org ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft
Re: [gentoo-user] rsync from ext3 to vfat?
On 02/17/2012 05:11 PM, Manuel McLure wrote: Add FAT considers two filenames that are the same except for case as the same filename to that list. NTFS has the same limitation. I had forgotten about that. FAT is always case-sensitive. While it is possible to change the rules slightly for NTFS, there are serious repurcussions if you do. NTFS supports the notion of a POSIX namespace, but if you use it and have multiple files that match according to the Win32 rules, one of them will be inaccessible to applications that use the Win32 namespace. --- Mike -- A man who reasons deliberately, manages it better after studying Logic than he could before, if he is sincere about it and has common sense. --- Carveth Read, “Logic” signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] rsync from ext3 to vfat?
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Manuel McLure man...@mclure.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:03 PM, m...@trausch.us m...@trausch.us wrote: rsync works just fine with any normal set of options when using any sort of FAT as a destination. There are, of course, a couple of gotchas: - FAT has limitations on file sizes. - FAT cannot store permissions or ACLs - FAT does not support extended attributes Other than that, though, you should be good. Add FAT considers two filenames that are the same except for case as the same filename to that list. NTFS has the same limitation. No. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/100625 However, ntfs-3g only creates files in the POSIX namespace on NTFS, which means that, depending on the filename, some files you create on Linux won't be able to be opened by apps (such as the Windows shell) that rely on assumptions not violated by the DOS and Win32 namespaces. I ran into that one. . -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] rsync from ext3 to vfat?
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM, ny6...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:12:40PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, I'm looking for what rsync options I can use to copy existing files on an ext3 file system to an external eSATA drive formatted with vfat. I think I want to match only the name, creation date file size. The eSATA drive needs to be vfat due to limitations of the audio/video device it will be plugged into. Thanks in advance for any ideas. Cheers, Mark FWIW, I routinely backup important directories with rsync from ext3 and ext4 file systems to vfat, with no additional options. The command I use is: sudo rsync -vvvruxi --size-only --exclude-from=/home/rh/rsync-home-excl-list /home/rh/ /mnt/Datastor/Gentoo/ for the home directory. HTH. Terry Thanks Terry. I'm through about 30GB of the 400GB I want to back up. It looks like it's working. The --size-only option was what I needed. (Assuming it completes without any other problems.) Cheers, Mark NOTE: To others discussing the various positives and negatives of Windows file systems please note that I had no choice in the matter. The only thing this piece of equipment accepts on it's USB port is VFAT.
Re: [gentoo-user] rsync from ext3 to vfat?
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: NOTE: To others discussing the various positives and negatives of Windows file systems please note that I had no choice in the matter. The only thing this piece of equipment accepts on it's USB port is VFAT. If you run into any unreadable files when reading it on the destination equipment, it's possibly due to incompatible filenames. Try mounting vfat with check=strict and possibly changing the codepage to whatever the destination system wants it to be. If you don't use symbols or excessively long file names or extensions I think it should be fine. (I think there's a 256 character full path+filename limit as well on Windows systems)
