Re: [gmx-users] problem with undistribution of water

2008-03-07 Thread Maik Goette

That problem is called periodic boundaries.
Try inserting a second bilayer to get, at least on one axis, a water 
layer between the two lipid layers, if you want to prevent PBC for a 
part of the waters.


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sudheer babu wrote:

Thanks Mr .Justin for your response,
I am describing answers for  your questions,
1.My box size is 6.0nm in xyz dimensions.
2.The forcefield  I am using ffgmx.itp for membrane which I downloaded 
from Pieter Tieleman webiste and deprecated FF for protein.

3 .I inserted protein into membrane by using genbox command.
4. I used force constant 1 on protein.
  There is no leaking of membrane, the stucture is fine till EM, but in 
PR the water molecules are moving from one side of the bilyaer to the 
other side. No water mol between lipid bilyer hydrophobic region. Ok I 
tell you in clear way, Assume on membrane  each side 200 water molecules 
are there but after equilabration 30 to 50 water molecules are reaching 
other side , so one side its appearing  more  rather than other side.  
But it looks in cubic form how appears in EM but only increasing water 
molecules on other side. Popc and protein are fine. Will it cause any 
problem later when I run further simulation by taking this output file.I 
hope you got my problem.

Thanks in advance.




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Re: [gmx-users] query for g_sas

2008-03-07 Thread Xavier Periole

On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 00:42:46 +0530 (IST)
 Dilraj Lama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello gmx users,
   I suppose this is one of the more common subject post
going around in the mailing list. I have gone through the
list and have gathered some information on the subject.
But I have some queries and if someone can shed light on
it, it will be of great help to me.

I am presently trying to calculate the sasa for specific
residues as a function of time from my simulation
trajectory.I am using g_sas tool from gromacs ver3.3 for
the purpose.I wanted to check the values it generated. So
I created a gly-X-gly tripeptide in an extended
conformation and calculated the sasa for the twenty
amino acids.I also calculated the same using the tool
naccess.I then compared the two values with the value
reported earlier for the various amino acids (J. Mol.
Biol.196:641-656(1987))

Values for some of the amino acids are as:

jmb Gromacs3.3  Naccess
Ala 113 100  115
Arg 241 211  246
Asn 158 133  155
Asp 151 132  151
Cys 140 121  140

It seems the values from naccess and jmb(reported in J. Mol. Biol) are
similar.I suppose one of the factor for the difference in values between
naccess and gromacs3.3 could be because of the  different VDW radii
used for the atoms. Naccess uses Chothia's VDW radii whereas Gromacs3.3
uses the VDW radii as reported in gmx_sas.c.


The difference you are seen is due to the use of different methods to
measure the ASA. jmb and naccess use the Richards approach which is based
on the surface defined by the center of a probe rolling on the vdW
surface of the solute: the surface uses RvdW+Rsolvent. Gromacs is based on the 
Connolly surface which uses the vdW radius surface and connect them using

a solvent probe: it uses the excluded volume from the solvent.

The Connolly surface must be smaller as it does not include the radius of
the probe in the calculation.

Take a look at the links:
http://www.msg.ucsf.edu/local/programs/moloc/surface.html
http://www.netsci.org/Science/Compchem/feature14e.html

XAvier


Is it the case?

Can I go ahead and perform the calculation using this tool?

I have come accross papers which have used g_sas tool for performing the
sasa calculation for the entire protein or peptide. Can anyone refer to
me some papers where sasa calculation has been done for specific
residues using g_sas.

I have also read in the mailing list that differnet versions of Gromacs
give different sasa values.people seem to report that values from
Ver3.3, ver3.3.1 and ver3.3.2 are different. I haven't used 3.3.1 or
3.3.2. So what is the update in this front.Previous people who have gone
through this, please help me out.

Finally I also read in the list about the flexibility of chossing the VDW
radii options. Has anything been done yet?

Thank you.
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Dept. of BSBE;IITK-kanpur,
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RE: [gmx-users] Skewed box using Parrinello-Rahman pressure coupling

2008-03-07 Thread Berk Hess




 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:57:31 +0100
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Skewed box using Parrinello-Rahman pressure coupling
 
 Berk Hess a écrit :
  Hi,
  
  I now realized that my fix what completely incorrect.
  I wanted to multiply the margin of 0.0001 by 2, not the factor 0.5.
  But my mistake means that is now given an error when the off diagonal
  element is relatively more than 1 instead of more than 0.5.
  This is a far too weak check.
  So I would not expect any fatal errors any more with this incorrect check.
  Therefore I don't understand why you still get errors.
  
  Could you try changing BOX_MARGIN to 0.5005, as it currently is in 
  version 4.0?
  
  Berk. 
 
 We thus need a hot fix for 3.3.3?

A too weak check does, by itself, not cause problems.
It does mean that the check is useless, but Gromacs
by itself never generates incorrect boxes.

The problem with the check is still there, but it only
seem to occur very rarely.
I'll fix it properly in the CVS 3.3 patches branch.

 
 To Luther:
 Do you have by any hazard
 constraints= all-bonds
 
 if so, could you check if the run has the error with h-bonds?
 
 In my case that solved the issued with the error message. I suspect a 
 rounding problem but i have not figured out it yet (not really searched 
 for, btw).

I don't think this should have anything to do with the problem directly.
Indirectly it could help, but only when the system is unstable.

Berk.


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RE: [gmx-users] Skewed box using Parrinello-Rahman pressure coupling

2008-03-07 Thread Berk Hess




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To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Subject: RE: [gmx-users] Skewed box using Parrinello-Rahman pressure coupling
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 10:14:00 +0100











 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:57:31 +0100
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Skewed box using Parrinello-Rahman pressure coupling
 
 Berk Hess a écrit :
  Hi,
  
  I now realized that my fix what completely incorrect.
  I wanted to multiply the margin of 0.0001 by 2, not the factor 0.5.
  But my mistake means that is now given an error when the off diagonal
  element is relatively more than 1 instead of more than 0.5.
  This is a far too weak check.
  So I would not expect any fatal errors any more with this incorrect check.
  Therefore I don't understand why you still get errors.
  
  Could you try changing BOX_MARGIN to 0.5005, as it currently is in 
  version 4.0?
  
  Berk. 
 
 We thus need a hot fix for 3.3.3?

A too weak check does, by itself, not cause problems.
It does mean that the check is useless, but Gromacs
by itself never generates incorrect boxes.

The problem with the check is still there, but it only
seem to occur very rarely.
I'll fix it properly in the CVS 3.3 patches branch.

Hi Luther,

To be sure that this time I really fix the problem,
could you apply the following changes and check if the problem is gone?

Thanks,

Berk.

diff -r1.34.2.3 pbc.h
51,52c51,53
 #define BOX_MARGIN 0.5001
   /* margin factor for checking if the box is too skewed */
---
 /* Margin factor for error message and correction if the box is too skewed */
 #define BOX_MARGIN 0.5010
 #define BOX_MARGIN_CORRECT 0.5005

diff -r1.57.2.9 pbc.c
100,102c100,102
   else if ((fabs(box[YY][XX])  2*BOX_MARGIN*box[XX][XX]) ||
  (fabs(box[ZZ][XX])  2*BOX_MARGIN*box[XX][XX]) ||
  (fabs(box[ZZ][YY])  2*BOX_MARGIN*box[YY][YY]))
---
   else if ((fabs(box[YY][XX])  BOX_MARGIN*box[XX][XX]) ||
  (fabs(box[ZZ][XX])  BOX_MARGIN*box[XX][XX]) ||
  (fabs(box[ZZ][YY])  BOX_MARGIN*box[YY][YY]))


retrieving revision 1.84.2.8
diff -r1.84.2.8 ns.c
251c251
   while (box[v][d]  BOX_MARGIN*box[d][d]) {
---
   while (box[v][d]  BOX_MARGIN_CORRECT*box[d][d]) {
261c261
   while (-box[v][d]  BOX_MARGIN*box[d][d]) {
---
   while (-box[v][d]  BOX_MARGIN_CORRECT*box[d][d]) {


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RE: [gmx-users] trjconv behaving differently in 3.3.3 vs previous versions

2008-03-07 Thread rob yang

Dave,
-pbc mol did not work, however -pbc atom did. Also noted here: 
http://www.gromacs.org/component/option,com_wrapper/Itemid,165/
Thank you.

-Rob

 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:42:41 +0100
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 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] trjconv behaving differently in 3.3.3 vs previous
 versions
 
 rob yang wrote:
 Hi list,
 I have a system solvated in dodecahedron box. To visualize it, I used:
 trjconv -f system.gro -s system.gro -o visual.pdb -ur compact -pbc whole
 Version 3.3.3 gave me a cubic box with broken molecules while the previous 
 versions gave me the right visualization on the same system.gro
 
 try -pbc mol.
 otherwsie you are welcome to submit a bugzilla.
 
 Does anybody have any similar experiences? Thanks.
 
 -Rob
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Re: [gmx-users] trjconv behaving differently in 3.3.3 vs previous versions

2008-03-07 Thread David van der Spoel

rob yang wrote:

Dave,
-pbc mol did not work, however -pbc atom did. Also noted here: 
http://www.gromacs.org/component/option,com_wrapper/Itemid,165/
Thank you.
did not work is not good enough a description. However, the 
functionality has changed, intentionally. The -pbc atom breaks molecules 
and should be used with care (for visualization only). So hence I 
presume this is not a bug.





-Rob


Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:42:41 +0100
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Subject: Re: [gmx-users] trjconv behaving differently in 3.3.3 vs previous  
versions

rob yang wrote:

Hi list,
I have a system solvated in dodecahedron box. To visualize it, I used:
trjconv -f system.gro -s system.gro -o visual.pdb -ur compact -pbc whole
Version 3.3.3 gave me a cubic box with broken molecules while the previous 
versions gave me the right visualization on the same system.gro


try -pbc mol.
otherwsie you are welcome to submit a bugzilla.


Does anybody have any similar experiences? Thanks.

-Rob
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RE: [gmx-users] trjconv behaving differently in 3.3.3 vs previous versions

2008-03-07 Thread rob yang

Dave,
I am using it for visualization for now. -pbc mol gave me the same output as 
-pbc whole, which was a cubic box with broken protein. -pbc atom gave the 
dodecahedron box and intact protein. But since the functionality of -pbc mol 
has changed, and may not be applicable to visualization purposes, it is then 
not a bug.
Judging from your reply, I seem to get the feeling that -pbc atom might not be 
a wise idea later on if I do actual analysis of the MD trajectory. 


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 did not work is not good enough a description. However, the 
 functionality has changed, intentionally. The -pbc atom breaks molecules 
 and should be used with care (for visualization only). So hence I 
 presume this is not a bug.

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[gmx-users] .gro files generation for a certain time-step interval in a simulation

2008-03-07 Thread Huey Ling Tan
Hi All,

I wonder if anyone knows what is the command to use in order to generate
.gro files for a certain time-step interval in a simulation? For example, if
I have a completed simulation of 10 ns long and I want to output (somehow)
10 .gro files each at 1st ns, 2nd ns, 3rd ns and so on out from a series of
output files that I have (.tpr, .xtc, .edr, .log). Do you think it's
do-able?


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Re: [gmx-users] trjconv behaving differently in 3.3.3 vs previous versions

2008-03-07 Thread David van der Spoel

rob yang wrote:

Dave,
I am using it for visualization for now. -pbc mol gave me the same output as 
-pbc whole, which was a cubic box with broken protein. -pbc atom gave the 
dodecahedron box and intact protein. But since the functionality of -pbc mol 
has changed, and may not be applicable to visualization purposes, it is then 
not a bug.
Judging from your reply, I seem to get the feeling that -pbc atom might not be a wise idea later on if I do actual analysis of the MD trajectory. 


that is correct.

but -pbc mol -ur compact should give you a dodecahedron but with intact 
molecules. If you have an example where -pbc mol gives you a broken 
molecule that is a bug, unless the protein was broken from the 
beginning, which it shouldn't be. If this is indeed the case then please 
submit a bugzilla.





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did not work is not good enough a description. However, the 
functionality has changed, intentionally. The -pbc atom breaks molecules 
and should be used with care (for visualization only). So hence I 
presume this is not a bug.


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RE: [gmx-users] trjconv behaving differently in 3.3.3 vs previous versions

2008-03-07 Thread rob yang

Okay, my mistake. Here's what each option gave me (all with -ur compact):

-pbc whole: broken protein, rectangular box
-pbc mol: intact protein, rectangular box, part of protein sticking outside the 
box
-pbc atom: intact protein, dodecahedron box 

 but -pbc mol -ur compact should give you a dodecahedron but with intact 
 molecules. 

Let me play around with it a little more before submitting the input files to 
bugzilla. Thank you.

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Re: [gmx-users] .gro files generation for a certain time-step interval in a simulation

2008-03-07 Thread Yang Ye

trjconv -dump time

Huey Ling Tan wrote:

Hi All,

I wonder if anyone knows what is the command to use in order to 
generate .gro files for a certain time-step interval in a simulation? 
For example, if I have a completed simulation of 10 ns long and I want 
to output (somehow) 10 .gro files each at 1st ns, 2nd ns, 3rd ns and 
so on out from a series of output files that I have (.tpr, .xtc, .edr, 
.log). Do you think it's do-able?



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[gmx-users] Position restraints on a lipid bilayer

2008-03-07 Thread toma0052
Hello,
 I am looking to add position restraints to some atoms of a lipid
bilayer.  There seem to be a lot in the list archives on this subject, but I
am still a tad confused.  What I would like to do is to position restrain the
phosphorus atoms in only one leaflet of the bilayer.  So how do I generate
such a pr file, and where should I include it?  It seems as if things are
done per molecule, so if I put it in my *.top or *.itp files, the restraint
is on all P atoms in the system, not just the ones I want.  Is there a way to
do this so that things are indexed per atom rather than per molecule?

Thanks,
Mike


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[gmx-users] Skewed box using Parrinello-Rahman pressure coupling

2008-03-07 Thread reich
Hi Berk,

I´ll try the setting you proposed and let you know wether it worked.

Stephane, thanks for your tip but I already use h-bonds as the constraints
option.

Best

Luther

 Berk Hess a écrit :
 Hi,

 I now realized that my fix what completely incorrect.
 I wanted to multiply the margin of 0.0001 by 2, not the factor 0.5.
 But my mistake means that is now given an error when the off diagonal
 element is relatively more than 1 instead of more than 0.5.
 This is a far too weak check.
 So I would not expect any fatal errors any more with this incorrect
 check.
 Therefore I don't understand why you still get errors.

 Could you try changing BOX_MARGIN to 0.5005, as it currently is in
 version 4.0?

 Berk.

 We thus need a hot fix for 3.3.3?

 To Luther:
 Do you have by any hazard
 constraints= all-bonds

 if so, could you check if the run has the error with h-bonds?

 In my case that solved the issued with the error message. I suspect a
 rounding problem but i have not figured out it yet (not really searched
 for, btw).

 Cheers,
 Stéphane


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[gmx-users] ED analysis, domain rotation, DynDom

2008-03-07 Thread jo hanna
Hi

I have a done number of MD simulations of a two domain protein with
different ligands and also in the apo state. Comparing these simulations I
see varying degrees of domain rotation of the one domain relative to the
other which I want to quantitatively measure and I was thinking of using
DynDom to do this; I have already assessed a number of structures taken from
different points throughout the simulations but want a to assess the motion
throughout the simulations.
From the user lists I read that I should do ED analysis first. Is this using
g_covar and then g_anaeig or using make_edi and then doing ED in mdrun and
then assessing these results?
Also as the motion appears to be the C-terminal domain relative to the
N-terminal domain when using g_covar should I fit over the N-terminal domain
backbone but do the analysis over the whole backbone, or just fit over the
whole backbone? Also in g_covar is it better for this type of problem to use
the -ref option and assess the deviation from the conformation in the
structure file instead of from the average?
I would appreciate some guidance as although I've read some papers on this
subject I am a bit confused as to what is the best way to progress.

Many thanks,

Jo.
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Re: [gmx-users] Position restraints on a lipid bilayer

2008-03-07 Thread Mark Abraham

toma0052 wrote:

Hello,
 I am looking to add position restraints to some atoms of a lipid
bilayer.  There seem to be a lot in the list archives on this subject, but I
am still a tad confused.  What I would like to do is to position restrain the
phosphorus atoms in only one leaflet of the bilayer.  So how do I generate
such a pr file, and where should I include it?  It seems as if things are
done per molecule, so if I put it in my *.top or *.itp files, the restraint
is on all P atoms in the system, not just the ones I want.  Is there a way to
do this so that things are indexed per atom rather than per molecule?


Yep. Make two copies of the lipid molecule with the same parameters and 
different molecule names. Easiest to do this by copying an .itp file and 
changing names and stuff. Then you arrange to use a [ 
position_restraints ] field in one and not the other. If there's not 
already an #ifdef-ed [ position_restraints ] in your .itp file, then use 
an #ifdef like you get normally from pdb2gmx output, and change the 
#ifdef name in one of them so that you can selectively choose position 
restraints in one molecule type or the other. You can share one 
posre.itp file between both these sorts of lipid molecules, since the 
atomic index of P will be the same in both molecules. Then set up your 
bilayer such that the molecules in one leaflet precede the other 
leaflet. Now use the [ molecules ] section of your .top with suitable 
naming and ordering to permit yourself the ability to select P atoms in 
the various leaflets for PR. Chapter 5 will have more details on various 
aspects of the above.


Mark
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[gmx-users] Noive to gromacs : MD for zeolitic system

2008-03-07 Thread anjaiah Nalaparaju
Dear Gromacs users,
I would like to try Gromacs to conduct MD on my system which has, Zeolite(
Ti,Si,O elements with pore and extraframework cations like Na+), water as
solvent and some counterions in water. I am intrested to study the
ionexcahnge in this system. I tried Dl_POLY but because of expensive CPU
time, I am badly looking for another package which will help in fast
computations.Any help and suggestions  regarding this issue will be greatly
appreciated.
Thank you for your time in advance.
Best Regards
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Re: [gmx-users] Noive to gromacs : MD for zeolitic system

2008-03-07 Thread Mark Abraham

anjaiah Nalaparaju wrote:

Dear Gromacs users,
I would like to try Gromacs to conduct MD on my system which has, 
Zeolite( Ti,Si,O elements with pore and extraframework cations like 
Na+), water as solvent and some counterions in water. I am intrested to 
study the ionexcahnge in this system. I tried Dl_POLY but because of 
expensive CPU time, I am badly looking for another package which will 
help in fast computations.Any help and suggestions  regarding this issue 
will be greatly appreciated.


If you don't already have access to a force field for your system 
formatted for use in GROMACS, then you'll have to write/convert your 
own. Extensive reference to Chapters 4 and 5 of the manual will be 
required. You should look around the web and literature for what might 
be available.


It is worth doing some of the tutorial material to get a feel for how 
things fit together in GROMACS, even though they're mostly focussed on 
protein simulations.


Mark
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[gmx-users] Error of moleculetype

2008-03-07 Thread s lal badshah
Dear gromacs users,
Hi, 
I have encounter the following error,after addition of Sodium ions to my system 
as it has -5.0 charge and before minimization.
Fatal error:
No such moleculetype Na
I have checked errors of gromacs but I didn't understand that.Is I will write 
the word NA below the [moleculetype ] in topology file ? or some thing other 
work.
Hoping for a favorable reply.
Regards,





SYED LAL BADSHAH 
M.Phil Scholar 
NCE in Physical Chemistry, 
University of Peshawar. 
NWFP,Pakistan. 
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Re: [gmx-users] Error of moleculetype

2008-03-07 Thread Mark Abraham

s lal badshah wrote:

Dear gromacs users,
Hi,
I have encounter the following error,after addition of Sodium ions to my 
system as it has -5.0 charge and before minimization.

Fatal error:
No such moleculetype Na
I have checked errors of gromacs but I didn't understand that.Is I will 
write the word NA below the [moleculetype ] in topology file ? or some 
thing other work.


See 
http://wiki.gromacs.org/index.php/Errors#Fatal_error:_No_such_moleculetype_XXX


Mark
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