Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, Anyone know of anything like Visio for Linux. Dia is okay, but it seems that their progress has been agonizingly slow over the past few years. It all seems that they're much more interested in advancing the UML diagraming side of things instead of the other options they provide for (specifically the network diagramming). What alternatives are out there? What are others using? Thanks, - -- Seeya, Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 (debian 2.2-1) iD8DBQE8turzuweSOVPxKO4RAqcMAJ9UitnLRRNZZC2rIaMSke/EVuiNTQCdFzi6 XAqRlUgf13hKRGrKduN/fQg= =rxAr -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
KDE's KOffice project has a program called Kivio. Never used it. Find it here: http://www.thekompany.com/projects/kivio/ -Mike- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, Anyone know of anything like Visio for Linux. Dia is okay, but it seems that their progress has been agonizingly slow over the past few years. It all seems that they're much more interested in advancing the UML diagraming side of things instead of the other options they provide for (specifically the network diagramming). What alternatives are out there? What are others using? Thanks, - -- Seeya, Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 (debian 2.2-1) iD8DBQE8turzuweSOVPxKO4RAqcMAJ9UitnLRRNZZC2rIaMSke/EVuiNTQCdFzi6 XAqRlUgf13hKRGrKduN/fQg= =rxAr -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, Anyone know of anything like Visio for Linux. Dia is okay, but it seems that their progress has been agonizingly slow over the past few years. It all seems that they're much more interested in advancing the UML diagraming side of things instead of the other options they provide for (specifically the network diagramming). What alternatives are out there? What are others using? I haven't seen any alternatives (well, other than running Visio under something like vmware or win4lin). I understand there are some commercial plug-ins to enhance Dia; have you checked those out? What are you looking for that Dia doesn't support? -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux Unix ICQ 28611923 / AIM abreauj / JABBER [EMAIL PROTECTED] / YAHOO abreauj Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0xD5C7B5D9 PGP-Key-Fingerprint 72 FB 39 4F 3C 3B D6 5B E0 C8 5A 6E F1 2C BE 99 The Earth is degenerating these days. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer mind their parents, every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching. (translated from an Assyrian stone tablet, c. 2800 B.C.) msg14109/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
I used to use tkined for at least looking at how the network is laid out. It's a network admin console that uses tk and snmp, can scan subnets, gives nice displays of machines, snmp traps, etc. On the down side, last I used it (maybe 18 months ago) the icons were very outdated (the PC icon was one of the old-style AT boxes and monitor, the sun icon was the pizza-box). Not a serious issue, as you can probably create your own. http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~schoenw/scotty/ -Mark On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 10:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, Anyone know of anything like Visio for Linux. Dia is okay, but it seems that their progress has been agonizingly slow over the past few years. It all seems that they're much more interested in advancing the UML diagraming side of things instead of the other options they provide for (specifically the network diagramming). What alternatives are out there? What are others using? Thanks, - -- Seeya, Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 (debian 2.2-1) iD8DBQE8turzuweSOVPxKO4RAqcMAJ9UitnLRRNZZC2rIaMSke/EVuiNTQCdFzi6 XAqRlUgf13hKRGrKduN/fQg= =rxAr -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:21:53 EDT John Abreau said: I understand there are some commercial plug-ins to enhance Dia; have you checked those out? No, since I didn't know they existed. I know there are some commercial plugins for Kivio from The Kompany, but I haven't looked at those either. Now that I look at the Dia website, I can't find them. I must have been misremembering the kivio plugins. -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux Unix ICQ 28611923 / AIM abreauj / JABBER [EMAIL PROTECTED] / YAHOO abreauj Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0xD5C7B5D9 PGP-Key-Fingerprint 72 FB 39 4F 3C 3B D6 5B E0 C8 5A 6E F1 2C BE 99 The Earth is degenerating these days. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer mind their parents, every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching. (translated from an Assyrian stone tablet, c. 2800 B.C.) msg14111/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 10:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know of anything like Visio for Linux. Dia is okay, but it seems that their progress has been agonizingly slow over the past few years. It all seems that they're much more interested in advancing the UML diagraming side of things instead of the other options they provide for (specifically the network diagramming). What alternatives are out there? What are others using? It all depends on what you want to do, and how you want to do it. If you're just looking for a diagramming tool, there are a ton out there. NetEdit wasn't *BAD*, but it wasn't great, either (http://www.mark13.de/netedit/). I don't know if it's even being developed anymore. There are also a bunch of plug-ins for Dia that you can get. If you're looking for a program that will go out and map your network for you, then that is a different story. Go with Nomad (http://netmon.ncl.ac.uk/). C-Ya, Kenny -- Tact is just *not* saying true stuff -- Cordelia Chase Kenneth E. Lussier Sr. Systems Administrator Zuken, USA PGP KeyID CB254DD0 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCB254DD0 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
On 12 Apr 2002, at 10:51am, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: There are also a bunch of plug-ins for Dia that you can get. Are any of them any good? I went looking for some once, using Google. First problem was trying to come up with a search pattern that matched plugins without matching Dia itself. I did find some things, but they all, frankly, sucked. Here, we ended up buying MS Visio, which tells you just how desperate we were. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
There are also a bunch of plug-ins for Dia that you can get. Where would one find said plugins? There seem to be no references to them on the Dia homepage. Well, upon further investigation, I don't think that any of the plugins that I found (on Freshmeat) would be useful. Most of them are for importing/exporting diagrams to/from code, SQL, etc. And DiaCanvas apparently has nothing to do with Dia -- Tact is just *not* saying true stuff -- Cordelia Chase Kenneth E. Lussier Sr. Systems Administrator Zuken, USA PGP KeyID CB254DD0 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCB254DD0 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, at 11:24am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here, we ended up buying MS Visio, which tells you just how desperate we were. Visio is a rock solid product. Well, let me re-phrase that. It was before they were bought by MS. Exactly. The price immediately doubled as soon as Microsoft bought it. A half-assed attempt to Officeize it was made, so it acts kinda like Office, and kinda like something else. It is slow running under Windows, and practically unusable under Win4Lin. (For reference, this was a 550 MHz PIII with 256 MB of RAM.) As far as the program itself goes, it is pretty nice. I sometimes find myself fighting the UI, but I suspect that is because I haven't RTFM from cover-to-cover like I should have. The huge collection of artwork it comes with is, of course, the major bonus feature -- to the point where finding what you are looking in the haystack for becomes an obstacle! -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
Benjamin Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are any of them any good? I went looking for some once, using Google. First problem was trying to come up with a search pattern that matched plugins without matching Dia itself. I did find some things, but they all, frankly, sucked. Here, we ended up buying MS Visio, which tells you just how desperate we were. It's a shame MS had to eat Visio; it was certainly a nice tool back then. I understand MS stripped out all of the file export functions immediately after they acquired it. -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux Unix ICQ 28611923 / AIM abreauj / JABBER [EMAIL PROTECTED] / YAHOO abreauj Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0xD5C7B5D9 PGP-Key-Fingerprint 72 FB 39 4F 3C 3B D6 5B E0 C8 5A 6E F1 2C BE 99 The Earth is degenerating these days. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer mind their parents, every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching. (translated from an Assyrian stone tablet, c. 2800 B.C.) msg14116/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 11:22, Benjamin Scott wrote: On 12 Apr 2002, at 10:51am, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: There are also a bunch of plug-ins for Dia that you can get. Are any of them any good? I went looking for some once, using Google. First problem was trying to come up with a search pattern that matched plugins without matching Dia itself. I did find some things, but they all, frankly, sucked. I don't know that theu suck, but most do appear to be pretty much useless for general purpose use. Here, we ended up buying MS Visio, which tells you just how desperate we were. heh heh. I still have my pre-M$ version of Visio running in VMWare. I refuse to ever upgrade. C-Ya, Kenny -- Tact is just *not* saying true stuff -- Cordelia Chase Kenneth E. Lussier Sr. Systems Administrator Zuken, USA PGP KeyID CB254DD0 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCB254DD0 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In a message dated: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:07:45 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Where would one find said plugins? There seem to be no references to them on the Dia homepage. I know there are plenty of plugins for kivio, all commercial from what I've seen. I'd even be willing to pay for them if they had what I wanted. The nice thing about Visio was that they had vendor specific icons. I could place a Cisco 6500 on the diagram and then outfit it with the specific modules I had in it. Then I could connect specific things like a Sun E4500, a NetApp, an Auspex, an HP K-series, etc. Generic shapes will work, but they're not that impressive. Mgmt likes to see pretty pictures. I'm all for functionality over form, but when form helps get you what you want... :) It appears there's nothing with the appropriate amount of mgmt - -appealing eye candy out there for Linux yet :( - -- Seeya, Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 (debian 2.2-1) iD8DBQE8tvnnuweSOVPxKO4RAriDAJ917j/FEAJKpwEa6OMgNDWGW0KG6QCfbf3+ ry8W4YBC9wJzaB95HQX4cAk= =Sq5w -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In a message dated: 12 Apr 2002 10:51:29 EDT Kenneth E. Lussier said: There are also a bunch of plug-ins for Dia that you can get. Where would one find said plugins? There seem to be no references to them on the Dia homepage. Thanks, - -- Seeya, Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 (debian 2.2-1) iD8DBQE8tvhBuweSOVPxKO4RAmDSAJ414m3xI+DameUhjPfTpxKnI+3p6wCgkP27 ZopNPfzkXAdspa+aQAsVfjM= =yB8F -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In a message dated: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:21:53 EDT John Abreau said: I understand there are some commercial plug-ins to enhance Dia; have you checked those out? No, since I didn't know they existed. I know there are some commercial plugins for Kivio from The Kompany, but I haven't looked at those either. What are you looking for that Dia doesn't support? Decent network layout icons. They seem to have only about 8 or 10 icons, and they're really not that good. I'll use dia if that's all there is, and somehow make do. It's not that big a deal, I was just wondering what else might be out there. Thanks, - -- Seeya, Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 (debian 2.2-1) iD8DBQE8tu+/uweSOVPxKO4RAp9OAJ4kZPkkjpHPuxVz897kSZu2Ufwb6ACgmGw4 cLmxeiru0Z4s52TAtEnzv7U= =7xQA -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In a message dated: 12 Apr 2002 10:17:28 EDT Mark Komarinski said: I used to use tkined for at least looking at how the network is laid out. It's a network admin console that uses tk and snmp, can scan subnets, gives nice displays of machines, snmp traps, etc. On the down side, last I used it (maybe 18 months ago) the icons were very outdated (the PC icon was one of the old-style AT boxes and monitor, the sun icon was the pizza-box). Not a serious issue, as you can probably create your own. I'm familiar with tkined and scotty, but I've always found it clunky and very awkward to work with. It's menu system is not intuitive at all, and there seems to be little (on-line) documentation for it. I've found it pretty helpful in the past for diagramming an existing network, but I'm actually trying to come up with a network design right now for one that doesn't exist, which is why I need something which is a) easily usable, b) has decent icons, and c) lets me do the layout quickly. Tkined seems to fit none of these requirement :( Dia almost does. Kivio might work if I can get it installed and running (waiting for apt-get to install kde :) Thanks! - -- Seeya, Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 (debian 2.2-1) iD8DBQE8tvCfuweSOVPxKO4RAqyRAJwJXx40tbDPMYwo4o//PaGXwfeJ0ACgipY/ XyUlb8iyzgTSL7JYyY+VFlY= =/TnB -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In a message dated: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:22:53 EDT Benjamin Scott said: Here, we ended up buying MS Visio, which tells you just how desperate we were. Visio is a rock solid product. Well, let me re-phrase that. It was before they were bought by MS. I have no idea what's happened to them since, but, if like everything they buy, it wouldn't surprise me to find out they've gone down hill! The only thing I hated about Visio was that it didn't run under Linux, and now, I doubt it ever will. Oh well. - -- Seeya, Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 (debian 2.2-1) iD8DBQE8tvxEuweSOVPxKO4RAkWjAKDPYO4Yx92uI9HBaeXJHyyh+7L8wwCeOTkh qkCAIu+cCNh1ZRnzJ7sRSEs= =SfNa -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Drawing tools similar to Dia/Visio?
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, at 11:14am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nice thing about Visio was that they had vendor specific icons. Which is not really software, but artwork. And in the case of Visio, a lot of research into said artwork. Historically, Open Source has been generally unsuccessful at providing such things. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
