Re: [h-cost] 17th c. blue jeans
Interesting. Of course, what is this fabric we call denim? A heavy-ish cotton twill dyed indigo. It seems quite logical that an old and common weave used with a old and common dye would come up sooner than later. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th c. blue jeans
On Nov 28, 2010, at 10:30 AM, albert...@aol.com wrote: Of course, what is this fabric we call denim? A heavy-ish cotton twill dyed indigo. It seems quite logical that an old and common weave used with a old and common dye would come up sooner than later. True. I think the other major distinguishing characteristic of what we call denim is that it has colored threads in one direction and white threads in the other. Offhand I don't know which is warp and which is weft, though. Anyone? And of course paintings can't tell us what fibers were used for this very jeans-like material. The fabric in the paintings could well have been either linen (which takes indigo dye pretty well) or wool (which you'd expect for outer garments). Although cotton certainly existed and was used (especially in Italy) I'd want to find out more about _how_ cotton was used before I'd conclude that this is identical to modern denim. Cotton thread strong enough to use for weaving is a different thing than cotton batting used for stuffing (for which I think we have better pre-1800s documentation). OChris Laning clan...@igc.org - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Amazon Dry Goods - OT
The page on your site says they'll be closing within a month, but doesn't give a date. Do you happen to know how long we have to order things? Emily On 11/27/2010 5:06 PM, Franchesca wrote: Greetings Costuming Collective, I have been asked to help with the scanning of the pattern catalog and then put it and the General catalog on my webpage. http://www.glove.org/AmazonDryGoods/ I have posted it to my Live Journal, tweeted it, and created an FB page for them as well (need 25 likes to update the URL). http://www.facebook.com/AmazonDryGoods#!/pages/AmazonDryGoods/12093383130278 8 Please pass this email on to all places who have an interested in their items and story. It would be great to see reviews of items you have purchased from them. Let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Franchesca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th c. blue jeans
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Chris Laning wrote: I think the other major distinguishing characteristic of what we call denim is that it has colored threads in one direction and white threads in the other. Offhand I don't know which is warp and which is weft, though. Anyone? And of course paintings can't tell us what fibers were used for this very jeans-like material. The fabric in the paintings could well have been either linen (which takes indigo dye pretty well) or wool (which you'd expect for outer garments). Although cotton certainly existed and was used (especially in Italy) I'd want to find out more about _how_ cotton was used before I'd conclude that this is identical to modern denim. Cotton thread strong enough to use for weaving is a different thing than cotton batting used for stuffing (for which I think we have better pre-1800s documentation). OChris Laning clan...@igc.org - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com If I interpret Maureen Fennell Mazzaoui's The Italian Cotton Industry in the Later Middle Ages, 1100-1600 correctly, the Italian peasants were very likely wearing indigo-dyed cotton twill. Cotton was still a major product in Italy in the 17th century, and sturdy cotton twill fabrics would have been cheaper and more easily available to the lower classes than wool or linen. Also, having dyed all three fabrics with indigo, the colors in the paintings are more indicative of indigo on cotton--indigo on wool in that saturation is either a very long dyebath or several trips through, which would make it more expensive. On linen it's pretty much the same. Cotton *loves* indigo--it sucks it right up. Wool and linen, not nearly so much. Jen Getty ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] New-old drama with Colin Firth to come out on DVD
Camille. The DVD is supposed to be released in early January. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087028/ This is adapted from Dumas' /La Dame aux camélias. /One of those classic tragedies that, like that of Tess of the D'urbervilles, could have been avoided if only the central characters had had higher IQs. But, I firmly intend to buy the DVD anyway. Fran Lavolta Press Two new books of 1880s clothing patterns! www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costume-related calendars
wow, the Lithuanian is GREAT! I poked around on-line a little and found these, among others... mostly 19thC. oh well. enjoy. chimene Erte at: http://www.amazon.com/Erte-Glittered-Wall-Calendar-2011/dp/B0040YSI9C Costume Society of Ontario: http://costumesociety.ca/wordpress/ Lacis lists a Handbags Page-a-Day calendar, at: http://costumesociety.ca/wordpress/ Also at Lacis, Shoes Page-a-Day and Shoes Wall calendar Smithsonian's Costumes Parisiens is making a splash, see also down this page: http://www.calendars.com/Zebra-Publishing/Costumes-Parisiens-2011-Wall-Calendar/prod20111440/?categoryId=cat00016 Metropolitan Shoes may be different from Lacis, I don't know... http://www.amazon.com/Shoes-Metropolitan-Museum-2011-Calendar/dp/B003VIDED8 -- be sure to check for the you may also likes on this page There's a Vogue at http://www.amazon.com/Vogue-2011-Wall-Calendar-Magazine/dp/0789321831 with a BUNCH more in the you may also likes (little black dress, Glamour, etc etc) (Vogue Paris is different, more skin than historic costume), a Gibson Girl AND Edwardian era: http://www.zazzle.com/gibson+girl+calendars, Also Gibson-ish, Elegance and Beauty: \! http://www.tycalendars.com/index.php?case=productproddb=2pid=6955 Hungarian folk costume doll calendar here: http://shop.folkology.com/collections/calendars This looks pretty 18/19thC folk costume movement, Scandinavian: http://www.zazzle.com/scandinavian_folk_art_2011_wall_calendar_poster-228497969079831375 Fine Art, Old Masters -- http://www.easysurf.cc/master.htm this year's (Urk!) Camelot here: http://www.lotsofcalendars.com/25167.asp This year's Waterhouse (pre-Raph.) also at the camelot page On Nov 27, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: What costume-related calendars is everyone buying for 2011? Fran Lavolta Press Two new books of 1880s patterns! www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costume-related calendars
I just found some not directly related to historic costume that might appeal to costumers: http://www.amazon.com/2011-Nouveau-Wall-Calendar-Square/dp/3832741496/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1290978394sr=1-1 http://www.amazon.com/Reading-Woman-2011-Wall-Calendar/dp/0764952455/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8qid=1290978456sr=1-1-fkmr0 And some that are more about vintage than historic clothing: http://www.amazon.com/Little-Black-Dress-2011-Calendar/dp/B0043LJUQW/ref=sr_1_cc_2?ie=UTF8qid=1290978548sr=1-2-catcorr http://www.amazon.com/Style-2011-Standard-Wall-Calendar/dp/B0043LJGLQ/ref=pd_sbs_k_4 http://www.amazon.com/Glamour-2011-Standard-Wall-Calendar/dp/B0043LNH8Y/ref=pd_sbs_k_3 http://www.amazon.com/Vogue-2011-Wall-Calendar-Magazine/dp/0789321831/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1290978652sr=1-1 http://www.amazon.com/Days-Shoes-Calendar-Picture--Calendars/dp/0761158022/ref=sr_1_2?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1290978652sr=1-2 http://www.amazon.com/Handbags-Page---Day-Gallery-Calendar/dp/0761157646/ref=sr_1_4?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1290978652sr=1-4 Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing www.lavoltapress.com On 11/28/2010 12:32 PM, Patricia Dunham wrote: wow, the Lithuanian is GREAT! I poked around on-line a little and found these, among others... mostly 19thC. oh well. enjoy. chimene snip ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costume-related calendars
Fran: Thanks for starting this thread. A few years ago, I couldn't find a good costume-related calendar for love or money. On Nov 27, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: What costume-related calendars is everyone buying for 2011? -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com If you can make a girl laugh, you can make her do anything. — Marilyn Monroe ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
