Re: [Hardhats-members] VistA and PhoenixPM.org - Openhre.org
Mark; WorldVistA did not bid on the Phoenix Project. We had some folks from the Northern California area show up at our meeting in Sacramento. They might have bid Open VistA for the project, but it was not WorldVistA. If these folks in Northern California had not worked out the technical aspects, it is easy to see how this could have gotten their efforts ignored. Open VistA is a daunting effort even if one is well versed in the code and operation. Without that understanding, the install can be extremely difficult.. WorldVistA is a group of individuals who worked hard to produce the Open VistA model for all to use. We are a 501(c)(3), while Medsphere is a for-profit corporation. That is a big difference. We do not try to bid against our community members. We are attempting to be a catalyst for change and building of community. To that end, we have worked hard to provide development, integration, VistA Community Meetings, and help to broker cooperation between members of the community. Best wishes; Chris - Original Message - From: Mark Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:17 PM Subject: [Hardhats-members] VistA and PhoenixPM.org - Openhre.org I stumbled across PhoenixPM.org awhile back and made note of it. Turns out they are trying to develop an open source Practice Managment suite for a group of small rural medical centers and hospitals here in Northern California with some grant money. Since they are just up the road a piece I contacted the gentleperson who is heading the project questioning if he considered VistA, he says he knows the worldvista folks well, in fact WorldVista supposedly submitted a proposal for the phoenix project but didn't make the final cut. H. Who really is WorldVista and why didn't they make the cut!!! Anyway, he has sent me two E-mails today wanting to come down and check out my demo VistA server this Friday. So, what is the hierarchy? Is there a structured organization? Who from WorldVista bids on these projects? How is this technology being marketed and presented to these people? Are the medsphere.com people the pro's? Things are still sort of foggy at this point although I did learn a bunch by listening in to the meeting in Boston. Thanks Nancy!!! -- Mark Street, RHCE http://www.oswizards.com -- Key fingerprint = 3949 39E4 6317 7C3C 023E 2B1F 6FB3 06E7 D109 56C0 GPG key http://www.oswizards.com/pubkey.asc --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine
Yeah - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine Are you able to connect to that server with a windows-based CPRS? Kevin --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just trying to get the CPRS to work on Linux (seeing many of you do it successfully). I installed the Crossover trial version and tried to connect to the server using the command: ./wine CPRSChart.exe CCOW=DISABLE s=IndiaVistA p=9200 But it didn't connect to it, so I tried installing the RPC Broker Client and tried to run CPRS again. Now the error message I get is Error with Listen - CLAGENT will close. And the CPRS demo does not work too. I used the command ./wine CPRSChart.exe CCOW=DISABLE s=CPRSdemo.va.go p=23 But this doesn't seem to work too. It says there is some access voilation in both cases. Have any idea what the problem might be? Usha mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Boston wrap-up.
Sure, if there is a Delphi on the Mac, or if you can get a PC emulator for the Mac. -- Bhaskar -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of chuck5566 Sent: Wed 4/13/2005 8:30 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Subject:Re: [Hardhats-members] Boston wrap-up. When I say client on the Mac, I was thinking mainly of porting the Kernel and Fileman Broker tools from Delphi to something on OS X, for starters. I don't think anything would need to be done to GT.M to make this happen, would it? On Apr 13, 2005, at 8:13 AM, Bhaskar, KS wrote: A port to Mac OS X from GT.M on x86 GNU/Linux (open source free) would require retargeting the M compiler (the database would just go over, since it vanilla UNIX for the most part). So, creating a client would be almost as much work as porting GT.M. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members winmail.dat
Re: [Hardhats-members] Hospital Cost analysis
Hello Actually the system is not open source and each case gets a specific licence. I'm not the owner of the code but i have a specific contract to maintain the software that allows me to add features and integration tools into it. I'm also able to talk with the code owners. The input to this software is flat text files containing datas extracted from the HIS. That's why I think getting data out of the db with sql seems to be the solution. However if you think thoses data text file can be generated in another way why not. Since i've not been working yet with openvista i don't know exactly what is possible and what is not. I'm more on the technical side of the project, i'm a software developper, concerned by open source aspects of sw developpement, trying to specialize in health cost analysis and so that's why i want to investigate this issue. Thanks Eriam Chris Richardson a écrit : Eriam; I am sure that there will be interest in your costing analysis process. Can your process accept HL7 messaging? RPCs?, other communications protocols? SQL is possible, but there are more focused interfaces may be more useful. Are your tool Open Source? or under some other license? Best wishes; Chris Richardson - Original Message - From: Eriam Schaffter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Hospital Cost analysis Hello I will then investigate and try to get something out of the datas i will be able to access. I'll get back to the list as soon as any significant results will by available. Thanks Eriam Schaffter Walton, Edward NMN(WSH) a écrit : Eriam, Yes I think we would be interested. We are running Vista on Caché. All of the data that you would need is mapped so you can use SQL queries to fetch the data. Ed Walton Western State Hospital -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eriam Schaffter Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:21 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Hospital Cost analysis Hello all this is Eriam Schaffter I'm in europe and i'm working on a cost analysis software for hospitals. Is there such a module in OpenVista ? If not i would investigate the need for integration of OpenVista with the software i'm working on, could you tell me if there would be an interest for such a solution (a light business intelligence tool) in the world of OpenVista. For integration techniques i'll have to go into the code but is there any way to fetch datas from Openvista with sql queries ? Thanks Eriam Schaffter --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list
RE: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es
Many great applications are developed locally. True, great products such as BCMA, GUI Mail, etc. were developed by single developers, or small cadres of local developers. Which again, is a testament to the M environment and the fact that the source code is viewable, and therefore local developers can figure out how to seamlessly integrate their products with the main HIS. It is also a testament to the entrepreneurial spirit that exists at some field facilities that support local development with $$. But, if you've been following recent trends inside the VA, it has been biased towards discouraging local development, except for some rare exceptions. I hope the new service oriented architecture lives up to your expectations for it, and that it does not make it more difficult for local developers to service their customers requests. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of GARY MONGER Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:39 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es I think easy is a relative thing. For folks with a background or education based on procedural languages, a transition to another procedural language may be much easier than a transition to an OO language. And a transition to a procedural language for the modern child of OO may be much tougher than a move to another OO language. Then there's Lisp and Prolog, each really in its own category. Its more than the language, it's the abstraction the language represents. Lisp is functional and recursive, and you must approach problems accordingly to be proficient. With MUMPS you have strong string manipulation and pattern matching, tremendous overloading of functions and operators, and a different concept of truth. Perl is the only thing I've seen come close. With MUMPS its also the globals, nothing really like that out there in the mainstream. You solve problems a different way when you have sparse arrays. With VistA, its Fileman. VistA data structure is a big step away from your typical MUMPS system, and it takes a while for even a strong M developer to come up to speed. Learning a language is one thing, being proficient in a new abstraction is another and takes time. I'd say a couple years for most people. I think I picked up Java pretty quickly, but I certainly could use a couple years experience before I'd consider myself solid. Anyway, I'm not so sure the new architecture for HEV VistA is such a huge miss. Certainly there are many advantages to M/Cache and to leveraging the M expertise VHA employs. One of the most important being that its how I pay the bills. But I don't need to enumerate the pros of M on this list. I will say that I think the success of DHCP/VistA has more to do with the framework that supports it than anything else. Fileman and Kernel allow so many possibilities. Many great applications are developed locally, or by outside vendors, or IHS, and seamlessly integrate with the national system. I think the Service Oriented Architecture of HEV may provide a similar framework once core services are in place. Anyone can build a service, and it can live on any platform, including Cache. The consumer of the service doesn't know and doesn't care. It seems to me this will allow the kind of development that has made VistA what it is today. It also seems to me that the platform most likely to support rapid development of new services is the cache system where the data already lives. Rehosting VistA applications is a tough task. Its going to take a long time, long enough for quite a lot of other things to be developed. (now donning flame proof suit) Maybe the new HEV VistA won't be such a bad thing after all. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:01 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es I think M is easier to learn than many computer languages. Certainly easier than ADA, and probably easier than Java, or Delphi/Pascal. The complex part about becoming a truly proficient Vista programmer is the shear size of it, under the hood. We're talking 12,000 files, 60,000 fields, and maybe 100,000 routines. Not all well-documented, and done in many different programming styles. Old style, new style, structured, unstructured, single-letter variable names, meaningful variable names. The toughest programming job in Vista is not writing new programs, but modifying existing programs and files in a way that does not cause unexpected side-effects, because things can be so intertwined, and not well-documented, under the hood. The thing I would have liked to have seen more of, as I've watched and participated (in a small way)in the evolution of Vista over the past 14 years, is more encapsulation, more api's,
Re: [Hardhats-members] Way to load bogus/demo patient information
Mark, See below --- Mark Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 13 April 2005 11:50, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: I don't understand what you mean. Are you talking about a case function in the M language? Or about how to set up the menu/option system? Or are you referring to functionality in my config-scripting system? I am referring to the functionality of the config-script. Specifically the ability to pick and choose what function to use. I'm sorry but I'm still not following you. In my config-script, one can can create custom scripts. There is a scripting command that allows the script to launch a VistA menu option. Is this what you mean? Tell me again what you are trying to do please. I'm tired and being slow on the uptake. What are some of the core packages that I should look at installing for my demo of a small health center? I browsed through the packages last night and I have almost completely configure m2web. What are your goals? Are you preparing to become a VistA installer? Or is this a hobby? Or did you have a site in mind to help? I wouldn't venture into learning a package unless I had to! Well, from what I heard at the Boston meeting there is going to be a need for installation specialists for specific packages and global VistA installation. I guess at this point it would have to be considered a hobby. Well, you certainly seem to be very knowledgable. And it looks like you have your own business. I think that becoming a VistA installer/supporter would be a great idea. Our company will eventually need a support person other than me--and one that is linux knowledgeable... Good luck Kevin -- Mark Street, RHCE http://www.oswizards.com -- Key fingerprint = 3949 39E4 6317 7C3C 023E 2B1F 6FB3 06E7 D109 56C0 GPG key http://www.oswizards.com/pubkey.asc --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine
Again, until this problem I am having is fixed and more testing is done, I wouldn't plan on using it in production and be sure to back you database up immediately before using it as it may quit working. On Thursday 14 April 2005 10:30 am, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Usha, I can send you the version of wine-enabled CPRS that is working on my linux server. But you will need to get the fixed version of CrossOver Office from the CodeWeaver's company. Let me know if you want the file. It would be best if you could private mail me with the address of your linux machine, and a login/password. I can then scp it to you. Attaching files as email attachements doesn't work with my Yahoo account (I think) Kevin --- Usha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine Are you able to connect to that server with a windows-based CPRS? Kevin --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just trying to get the CPRS to work on Linux (seeing many of you do it successfully). I installed the Crossover trial version and tried to connect to the server using the command: ./wine CPRSChart.exe CCOW=DISABLE s=IndiaVistA p=9200 But it didn't connect to it, so I tried installing the RPC Broker Client and tried to run CPRS again. Now the error message I get is Error with Listen - CLAGENT will close. And the CPRS demo does not work too. I used the command ./wine CPRSChart.exe CCOW=DISABLE s=CPRSdemo.va.go p=23 But this doesn't seem to work too. It says there is some access voilation in both cases. Have any idea what the problem might be? Usha mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es
What I don't understand is that the VA has a national license with Microsoft to use any and all their products. If it truly is any relational database, who spent money on Oracle when SQL Server is free to use already? Sounds political to me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steven mcphelan Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:26 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es Very well stated. Nancy had also responded to this thread. She said ...It is the attempt to move VistA from Cache M based on to an Oracle like database... Let's agree with the VA on the use of terms. They claim that the rehosting is not exclusive to Oracle. Rob's term is relational database. I had asked the specific question as to what did he mean by relational, SQL compliant? He said yes. The fact that the VA is standardizing some of its enterprise wise solutions to the Oracle platform is strictly a business decision that they have made given their particular circumstances. So to constantly state that the VA is moving from M to Oracle can be perceived as prejudicial and inaccurate. Can we all agree to stop using terms like Oracle like database to a more correct analogy which would be something like SQL compliant database. Many people seeing the term Oracle may have an initial negative reaction because of the perceived costs involved. I am taking Rob's word as accurate and that the rehosted solution will run on any SQL database and not specifically on Oracle. However, I will believe when I see it. But the VA will have the proof in the pudding is some respects. The VA's HDR project will have the grand-daddy of all medical record databases residing in Austin in an Oracle database. But they will also have regional HDRs. Intersystems has already been awarded that contract to provide the relational database engine for the regional HDRs. - Original Message - From: GARY MONGER [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es I think easy is a relative thing. For folks with a background or education based on procedural languages, a transition to another procedural language may be much easier than a transition to an OO language. And a transition to a procedural language for the modern child of OO may be much tougher than a move to another OO language. Then there's Lisp and Prolog, each really in its own category. Its more than the language, it's the abstraction the language represents. Lisp is functional and recursive, and you must approach problems accordingly to be proficient. With MUMPS you have strong string manipulation and pattern matching, tremendous overloading of functions and operators, and a different concept of truth. Perl is the only thing I've seen come close. With MUMPS its also the globals, nothing really like that out there in the mainstream. You solve problems a different way when you have sparse arrays. With VistA, its Fileman. VistA data structure is a big step away from your typical MUMPS system, and it takes a while for even a strong M developer to come up to speed. Learning a language is one thing, being proficient in a new abstraction is another and takes time. I'd say a couple years for most people. I think I picked up Java pretty quickly, but I certainly could use a couple years experience before I'd consider myself solid. Anyway, I'm not so sure the new architecture for HEV VistA is such a huge miss. Certainly there are many advantages to M/Cache and to leveraging the M expertise VHA employs. One of the most important being that its how I pay the bills. But I don't need to enumerate the pros of M on this list. I will say that I think the success of DHCP/VistA has more to do with the framework that supports it than anything else. Fileman and Kernel allow so many possibilities. Many great applications are developed locally, or by outside vendors, or IHS, and seamlessly integrate with the national system. I think the Service Oriented Architecture of HEV may provide a similar framework once core services are in place. Anyone can build a service, and it can live on any platform, including Cache. The consumer of the service doesn't know and doesn't care. It seems to me this will allow the kind of development that has made VistA what it is today. It also seems to me that the platform most likely to support rapid development of new services is the cache system where the data already lives. Rehosting VistA applications is a tough task. Its going to take a long time, long enough for quite a lot of other things to be developed. (now donning flame proof suit) Maybe the new HEV VistA won't be such a bad thing after all. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Hardhats-members] More HealtheVet in FCW
Carnegie Mellon: HealtheVet ailing The plan to spend billions to modernize the VA health care computer system has 'unacceptably high' risks, a report says. http://www.fcw.com/article88572-04-13-05-Web -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] problem issuing item from warehouse to primary inventory point
Anna, will you provide to the community your how-to for your recent success(es)(? ...Dee Knapp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:43 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] problem issuing item from warehouse to primary inventory point Hi Have successfully made a Purchase Order and receive items against it. The items were entered into inventory through the ADJUST INVENTORY QUANTITY option. Then I was trying issue the item to a primary inventory point using POST ISSUE BOOK ORDER option. The warehouse balance has reflected the dispensing but the inventory point (ENTER/EDIT INVENTORY ITEM option) does not show it. Now when I try to adjust the item into the primary inventory point using the ADJUST INVENTORY QUANTITY option again, it does not work. The comment it shows is THIS ISSUE BOOK HAS NOT BEEN POSTED (NO FMS LINE NUMBER) AND CANNOT BE ADJUSTED. Is this because I am using a wrong option? How can I do this? Anna mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=ick ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es
My understanding is that they are going to be using a relational database that Cache supposedly has in it ?? for now and ultimately the idea is that it should work with any relational database such as MySQL, etc. Note that I stated that it was an Oracle LIKE database. (Steve pointed out that this might not be the best choice of words. Oracle, the 1000 lb. gorilla, is something many people will have heard about and thus will recognize when relation database may mean nothing to them, which is why I chose the simile.) I persist in doubting that the speed of a relational database based system can match that of an M based system no matter who supplies it. In fact, I wonder what the underlying code for the Cache database is written in. Could it be an M based database with restrictions on how it can be populated? Oracle, from what I have heard, will be the basis of the national data repository. I could be all wet about any or all of this, however. I am just piecing together things I have heard at meetings or read in the press, etc. On Thursday 14 April 2005 10:44 am, David Sommers wrote: What I don't understand is that the VA has a national license with Microsoft to use any and all their products. If it truly is any relational database, who spent money on Oracle when SQL Server is free to use already? Sounds political to me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steven mcphelan Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:26 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es Very well stated. Nancy had also responded to this thread. She said ...It is the attempt to move VistA from Cache M based on to an Oracle like database... Let's agree with the VA on the use of terms. They claim that the rehosting is not exclusive to Oracle. Rob's term is relational database. I had asked the specific question as to what did he mean by relational, SQL compliant? He said yes. The fact that the VA is standardizing some of its enterprise wise solutions to the Oracle platform is strictly a business decision that they have made given their particular circumstances. So to constantly state that the VA is moving from M to Oracle can be perceived as prejudicial and inaccurate. Can we all agree to stop using terms like Oracle like database to a more correct analogy which would be something like SQL compliant database. Many people seeing the term Oracle may have an initial negative reaction because of the perceived costs involved. I am taking Rob's word as accurate and that the rehosted solution will run on any SQL database and not specifically on Oracle. However, I will believe when I see it. But the VA will have the proof in the pudding is some respects. The VA's HDR project will have the grand-daddy of all medical record databases residing in Austin in an Oracle database. But they will also have regional HDRs. Intersystems has already been awarded that contract to provide the relational database engine for the regional HDRs. - Original Message - From: GARY MONGER [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es I think easy is a relative thing. For folks with a background or education based on procedural languages, a transition to another procedural language may be much easier than a transition to an OO language. And a transition to a procedural language for the modern child of OO may be much tougher than a move to another OO language. Then there's Lisp and Prolog, each really in its own category. Its more than the language, it's the abstraction the language represents. Lisp is functional and recursive, and you must approach problems accordingly to be proficient. With MUMPS you have strong string manipulation and pattern matching, tremendous overloading of functions and operators, and a different concept of truth. Perl is the only thing I've seen come close. With MUMPS its also the globals, nothing really like that out there in the mainstream. You solve problems a different way when you have sparse arrays. With VistA, its Fileman. VistA data structure is a big step away from your typical MUMPS system, and it takes a while for even a strong M developer to come up to speed. Learning a language is one thing, being proficient in a new abstraction is another and takes time. I'd say a couple years for most people. I think I picked up Java pretty quickly, but I certainly could use a couple years experience before I'd consider myself solid. Anyway, I'm not so sure the new architecture for HEV VistA is such a huge miss. Certainly there are many advantages to M/Cache and to leveraging
RE: [Hardhats-members] problem issuing item from warehouse to primary inventory point
Preferably on the Wikki. Please?? Kevin --- Dee Knapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anna, will you provide to the community your how-to for your recent success(es)(? ...Dee Knapp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:43 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] problem issuing item from warehouse to primary inventory point Hi Have successfully made a Purchase Order and receive items against it. The items were entered into inventory through the ADJUST INVENTORY QUANTITY option. Then I was trying issue the item to a primary inventory point using POST ISSUE BOOK ORDER option. The warehouse balance has reflected the dispensing but the inventory point (ENTER/EDIT INVENTORY ITEM option) does not show it. Now when I try to adjust the item into the primary inventory point using the ADJUST INVENTORY QUANTITY option again, it does not work. The comment it shows is THIS ISSUE BOOK HAS NOT BEEN POSTED (NO FMS LINE NUMBER) AND CANNOT BE ADJUSTED. Is this because I am using a wrong option? How can I do this? Anna mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=ick ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] GT.M IDE pre-alpha release
I have created a simple debugger tool. It is the first part of a simple IDE I have in mind. Here is the link http://openforum.worldvista.org/~forum/index.php?title=Debugging_with_GT.M#Simple_.27IDE.27_with_GT.M It hooks into the $ZSTEP functionality of GT.M. For each line that is executed, the step trap function is called. This then displays 10 lines of code at the tope of the screen, with the current line highlighted. Thus one can watch the execution. Future plans: 1. Setting break points at any point of source code. 2. Adding watches for variables. 3. Ability to modify code on the fly. 4. Error trapping 5. Ability to pause and resume execution. I'd love for someone to try it out. Kevin __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es
From: Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:00:12 -0400 To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es My understanding is that they are going to be using a relational database that Cache supposedly has in it ?? The CORE data system in Caché is the familiar global system descended from MUMPS. Caché exposes this core data storage system in several different ways. The procedure being executed can select the method of exposing data. One of these ways is an SQL compliant system. This 'layering' of a method of access over some other specific data storage system is not unusual. If you peel away the method of exposing data in Oracle, look under the hood, you will likely find that there too the data storage system is not intrinsically SQL, or relational. Caché offers the choice of access method that can be exercised according to the needs of each specific situation. In Caché an application can access the data storage system as a though it is a relational database or directly as global structures. The tradeoff is between speedy, powerful accesses or more general, slower accesses. Caché is unusual in the database world in that it offers the user the choice of high level SQL based access methods and at the same time, also offer direct access to the underlying data storage system. Other relational systems are closed to access methods that are more direct, a shortcoming many don't really recognize as such. for now and ultimately the idea is that it should work with any relational database such as MySQL, etc. Note that I stated that it was an Oracle LIKE database. (Steve pointed out that this might not be the best choice of words. Oracle, the 1000 lb. gorilla, is something many people will have heard about and thus will recognize when relation database may mean nothing to them, which is why I chose the simile.) I persist in doubting that the speed of a relational database based system can match that of an M based system no matter who supplies it. In fact, I wonder what the underlying code for the Cache database is written in. Could it be an M based database with restrictions on how it can be populated? Oracle, from what I have heard, will be the basis of the national data repository. I could be all wet about any or all of this, however. I am just piecing together things I have heard at meetings or read in the press, etc. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es
Back to Donald E. Knuth eh? One would think that by now... Guess there isn't much new under the Sun. ..tx/t -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:14 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es Of course, when you really get down to basics, it's all B-trees, whether you're talking about MUMPS or your favorite RDBMS. s-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es
Actually there is. Most MUMPS implementations are multi-way B-trees. Real true B-trees suffer badly in real-life, nearly every action is a pointer split. The performance of MUMPS sparse arrays is in the shared buffer pools and broad pointer structures that get you to any data location in a 1,000,000 element database in 7 physical disk accesses or less. Best wishes; Chris - Original Message - From: Thurman Pedigo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:26 PM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es Back to Donald E. Knuth eh? One would think that by now... Guess there isn't much new under the Sun. ..tx/t -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:14 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es Of course, when you really get down to basics, it's all B-trees, whether you're talking about MUMPS or your favorite RDBMS. s-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es
For us new Mumpies could you explain what B-trees are and what is apointer split? ---Original Message--- From: Chris Richardson Date: 04/14/05 23:23:45 To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es Actually there is. Most MUMPS implementations are multi-way B-trees.Real true B-trees suffer badly in real-life, nearly every action is a pointer split.The performance of MUMPS sparse arrays is in the shared buffer pools and broad pointer structures that get you to any data location in a 1,000,000 element database in 7 physical disk accesses or less. Best wishes;Chris - Original Message - From: "Thurman Pedigo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:26 PM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es Back to Donald E. Knuth eh? One would think that by now... Guess there isn't much new under the Sun. ..tx/t -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:14 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es Of course, when you really get down to basics, it's all B-trees, whether you're talking about MUMPS or your favorite RDBMS. s-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine
What is the 'fixed version of CrossOver Office from the CodeWeaver's company' mean? I couldn't find it on the site www.codeweavers.com. Would be great if you could give me the link to download it and the 'wine-enabled CPRS'? Thanks Usha - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine Usha, I can send you the version of wine-enabled CPRS that is working on my linux server. But you will need to get the fixed version of CrossOver Office from the CodeWeaver's company. Let me know if you want the file. It would be best if you could private mail me with the address of your linux machine, and a login/password. I can then scp it to you. Attaching files as email attachements doesn't work with my Yahoo account (I think) Kevin --- Usha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine Are you able to connect to that server with a windows-based CPRS? Kevin --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just trying to get the CPRS to work on Linux (seeing many of you do it successfully). I installed the Crossover trial version and tried to connect to the server using the command: ./wine CPRSChart.exe CCOW=DISABLE s=IndiaVistA p=9200 But it didn't connect to it, so I tried installing the RPC Broker Client and tried to run CPRS again. Now the error message I get is Error with Listen - CLAGENT will close. And the CPRS demo does not work too. I used the command ./wine CPRSChart.exe CCOW=DISABLE s=CPRSdemo.va.go p=23 But this doesn't seem to work too. It says there is some access voilation in both cases. Have any idea what the problem might be? Usha mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now.
Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es
These are references to the internal structure ofa Mumps database (globals) andit isnot necessary to understand these in order to program Mumps. Look here for definitions of b-tree, balanced tree, binary tree: http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?balanced+tree If you google "balanced tree" you will find lots of explanations. Ones with picture are probably the most helpful, like: www.cs.oberlin.edu/classes/dragn/labs/avl/avl5.html Most Mumps implementations use some form of b-tree (there are many), BUT theMumps global structure does not define a b-tree. There still exist implementations that do not use b-trees. Fortunately, you will probably never encounter one! The global structure is a simple hierarchical database. Block splits (not pointer splits) occur when there isn't enough room to insert data into the appropriate block so some of the data in that block must be moved to a new (unused) block -- thereby "splitting" the old block in two. The pointers which formlinked lists of blocks must be adjusted to incorporate the new block. - Original Message - From: Ron Ponto To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es For us new Mumpies could you explain what B-trees are and what is apointer split? ---Original Message--- From: Chris Richardson Date: 04/14/05 23:23:45 To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es Actually there is. Most MUMPS implementations are multi-way B-trees.Real true B-trees suffer badly in real-life, nearly every action is a pointer split.The performance of MUMPS sparse arrays is in the shared buffer pools and broad pointer structures that get you to any data location in a 1,000,000 element database in 7 physical disk accesses or less. Best wishes;Chris - Original Message - From: "Thurman Pedigo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:26 PM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es Back to Donald E. Knuth eh? One would think that by now... Guess there isn't much new under the Sun. ..tx/t -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:14 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] BIG NEWS re HealtheVet- St. Petersburg Tim es Of course, when you really get down to basics, it's all B-trees, whether you're talking about MUMPS or your favorite RDBMS. s-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
