Re: [Hplip-help] hplip packaging with checkinstall
Hello, On Jul 18 09:49 dwelch91 wrote (shortened): Eberhard Roloff wrote: However, I consider it to be a good idea to make future hplip versions compatible with checkinstall. ... Indeed, this is a neat tool. It doesn't seem to be installed by default on Ubuntu, though. Is it installed/available on all the various distros out there (Mandriva, Fedora, SUSE, etc, etc)? It is not installed by default but available in Suse Linux (since a longer time) but it is not available for the Suse Linux Enterprise Server/Desktop and I cannot have an idea what will be available on third-party products which are based upon a Suse Linux OEM version. If you make it optional (i.e. support both configure=make=checkinstall and configure=make=make install/make uninstall) there is no need to care very much about whether or not ist is installed/available. By the way: make install might do other stuff beside plain file installing (e.g. start a daemon, create a special daemon-user account, ...) and make uninstall could easily undo such other stuff. Can checkinstall do the same? Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5 Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 90409 Nuernberg, GermanyWWW: http://www.suse.de/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ HPLIP-Help mailing list HPLIP-Help@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hplip-help
Re: [Hplip-help] hplip packaging with checkinstall
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:53:47 +0200 (CEST) Johannes Meixner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, On Jul 18 09:49 dwelch91 wrote (shortened): Eberhard Roloff wrote: However, I consider it to be a good idea to make future hplip versions compatible with checkinstall. ... Indeed, this is a neat tool. It doesn't seem to be installed by default on Ubuntu, though. Is it installed/available on all the various distros out there (Mandriva, Fedora, SUSE, etc, etc)? It is not installed by default but available in Suse Linux (since a longer time) but it is not available for the Suse Linux Enterprise Server/Desktop and I cannot have an idea what will be available on third-party products which are based upon a Suse Linux OEM version. If you make it optional (i.e. support both configure=make=checkinstall and configure=make=make install/make uninstall) there is no need to care very much about whether or not ist is installed/available. By the way: make install might do other stuff beside plain file installing (e.g. start a daemon, create a special daemon-user account, ...) and make uninstall could easily undo such other stuff. Can checkinstall do the same? I doubt that it can do such advanced stuff. It's just an easy and absolutely painless way to effortlessly make rpms or debs or slack packages out of software that is *only* available as a tarball. It plainly works for me 90% of the times I use it. While I regard make uninstall in the case of hplip to do a really good job, unfortunately, not any software has deinstall tools that are as powerful. Consequently, I prefer to have *anything* within the deb Packetsystem respectively within the rpm Database, making install and deinstall a snap, without tarball generated stuff floating around my system out of my control ;-)) regards Eberhard Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5 Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 90409 Nuernberg, Germany WWW: http://www.suse.de/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ HPLIP-Help mailing list HPLIP-Help@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hplip-help - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ HPLIP-Help mailing list HPLIP-Help@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hplip-help
[Hplip-help] hplip packaging with checkinstall
Hi, I understand that it does not make sense for you to provide distribution specific packages (i.e. rpms for SuSE, RedHat and the like or debs for Debian based Distros). However, I consider it to be a good idea to make future hplip versions compatible with checkinstall. Up to now, any hplip tarball failed to build with checkinstall, at least in my experience- If this would work, it would be the easiest thing for any hplip user to build her own package for her distribution, simplifying the never ending installation or reinstall or deinstall procedure of hplip. Just configure=make=checkinstall instead of the wellknown rule of three configure=make=make install FYI this is checkinstalls homepage: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ Linux Magazine on checkinstall: http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/47/Charly_Column.pdf Just an idea Any feedback will be appreciated. Thanks much for your help Eberhard - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ HPLIP-Help mailing list HPLIP-Help@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hplip-help
Re: [Hplip-help] hplip packaging with checkinstall
Hey Eberhard! I appreciate that you've been so active in the list. I've also been researching checkinstall and it looks very promising. Although I keep having some issues getting the packages to actually install using checkinstall. I'll continue exploring it though. Once it builds and installs consistently for me I'll update the debian based install instructions to use checkinstall. However we are working on a new setup/install process that may complicate this some, I'll work with the engineer on what options we have. I really like that checkinstall installs as a deb package which means it's much easier to remove, upgrade, etc. Thanks for taking the time to offer your thoughts. They are always appreciated!! Aaron Eberhard Roloff wrote: Hi, I understand that it does not make sense for you to provide distribution specific packages (i.e. rpms for SuSE, RedHat and the like or debs for Debian based Distros). However, I consider it to be a good idea to make future hplip versions compatible with checkinstall. Up to now, any hplip tarball failed to build with checkinstall, at least in my experience- If this would work, it would be the easiest thing for any hplip user to build her own package for her distribution, simplifying the never ending installation or reinstall or deinstall procedure of hplip. Just configure=make=checkinstall instead of the wellknown rule of three configure=make=make install FYI this is checkinstalls homepage: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ Linux Magazine on checkinstall: http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/47/Charly_Column.pdf Just an idea Any feedback will be appreciated. Thanks much for your help Eberhard - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ HPLIP-Help mailing list HPLIP-Help@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hplip-help smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ HPLIP-Help mailing list HPLIP-Help@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hplip-help
Re: [Hplip-help] hplip packaging with checkinstall
Hey Aaron, On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:46:45 -0700 Aaron J Albright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Eberhard! I appreciate that you've been so active in the list. I've also been researching checkinstall and it looks very promising. Although I keep having some issues getting the packages to actually install using checkinstall. I'll continue exploring it though. Once it builds and installs consistently for me I'll update the debian based install instructions to use checkinstall. However we are working on a new setup/install process that may complicate this some, I'll work with the engineer on what options we have. I really like that checkinstall installs as a deb package which means it's much easier to remove, upgrade, etc. Thank you very much for your feedback. One of additional benefits of checkinstall is that it can build deb-packages but also rpm-packages just as well. Afaik there is also the possibility to build slackware packages. However I can only positively affirm deb and rpm, since I never had the pleasure to work with slackware. regards Eberhard Thanks for taking the time to offer your thoughts. They are always appreciated!! Aaron Eberhard Roloff wrote: Hi, I understand that it does not make sense for you to provide distribution specific packages (i.e. rpms for SuSE, RedHat and the like or debs for Debian based Distros). However, I consider it to be a good idea to make future hplip versions compatible with checkinstall. Up to now, any hplip tarball failed to build with checkinstall, at least in my experience- If this would work, it would be the easiest thing for any hplip user to build her own package for her distribution, simplifying the never ending installation or reinstall or deinstall procedure of hplip. Just configure=make=checkinstall instead of the wellknown rule of three configure=make=make install FYI this is checkinstalls homepage: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ Linux Magazine on checkinstall: http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/47/Charly_Column.pdf Just an idea Any feedback will be appreciated. Thanks much for your help Eberhard - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ HPLIP-Help mailing list HPLIP-Help@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hplip-help - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ HPLIP-Help mailing list HPLIP-Help@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hplip-help
Re: [Hplip-help] hplip packaging with checkinstall
Eberhard Roloff wrote: Hi, I understand that it does not make sense for you to provide distribution specific packages (i.e. rpms for SuSE, RedHat and the like or debs for Debian based Distros). However, I consider it to be a good idea to make future hplip versions compatible with checkinstall. Up to now, any hplip tarball failed to build with checkinstall, at least in my experience- Could you provide some info on what goes wrong? Error messages, etc. I would at least like to figure out why we don't work with it. If this would work, it would be the easiest thing for any hplip user to build her own package for her distribution, simplifying the never ending installation or reinstall or deinstall procedure of hplip. Just configure=make=checkinstall instead of the wellknown rule of three configure=make=make install FYI this is checkinstalls homepage: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ Linux Magazine on checkinstall: http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/47/Charly_Column.pdf Just an idea Any feedback will be appreciated. Indeed, this is a neat tool. It doesn't seem to be installed by default on Ubuntu, though. Is it installed/available on all the various distros out there (Mandriva, Fedora, SUSE, etc, etc)? One problem we have is that we support virtually all distros that have the basic set of requirements that we need (libusb, gcc, etc), so relying on a Debian specific tool (or a tool only easily installed on Debian) would be an issue. We have to add dependencies very carefully so as to not lock any users our of our solution. By the way, the checkinstall info says that it was primarily written because packages don't support 'make unisntall' - we actually do. Its not clear to me whether it works 100%, but it should be pretty close. So, even if we can't get checkinstall to work, at least there is that. :-) Thanks much for your help We appreciate your feedback. -Don Eberhard - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ HPLIP-Help mailing list HPLIP-Help@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hplip-help
