Re: [iagi-net-l] Re: tsunami -- Menjadi anggota IAGI/HAGI

2005-02-10 Terurut Topik Noor Syarifuddin
Setahu aku status anggota luar biasa itu diberikan ke orang-orang di luar
profesi Geologi tapi telah memberikan kontribusi yang luar biasa dalam
perkembangan ilmu kegeologian..jadi bukan sebagai alternatif dari
anggota biasatapi lebih merupakan suatu penghargaan.

Kalau nggak nanti bisa-bisa ada bakul pecel yang jadi anggota luar biasa
IAGI...:-)

Buat mbak dari Asuransi (gile koneksinya Rovicky cewek zemua...), khan gak
perlu jadi anggota IAGI, tapi cukup jadi anggota IAGI-net yang
keanggotaannya sama sekali tidak diatur oleh AD/ART IAGI..atau kalau mau
lebih gampang khan dia juga bisa baca arsipnya saja.(gak tahu apa milis
IAGI-net masih diarsip secara otomatis seperti dulu...).

salam,





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Subject: Re: [iagi-net-l] Re: tsunami -- Menjadi anggota IAGI/HAGI


 keanggotaan perorangan non-geologist dapat diakomodir di dalam AD/ART,
 beberapa anggota IAGI-Nusra juga bukan geologist, mereka menjadi anggota
luar biasa...


 andang
 ketum iagi

 Rovicky Dwi Putrohari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 sebagian diskusiku dengan temen dr asuransi

 Boleh kah seseorang yg berkecimpung dalam bidang risk analisis perush
 asuransi yg tentusaja kerjaan sehari2nya berhubungan dg bencana
 menjadi anggota IAGI atau HAGI ?
 bagaimana dengan AD/ART-nya, sudah terakomodasi kah ?
 keanggotaan perorangan atau perusahaan ?

 sepertinya ini bagian dari sosialisasi organisasi kita :)

 RDP

  Oh ya Mas, saya boleh tau bagaimana untuk menjadi member IAGI atau HAGI?
  Atau Mas bisa memberi saran kira-kira organisasi apa yang ada di
Indonesia
  yang cukup sering membahas hal-hal gempa bumi, tsunami, gunung api,
longsor,
  topan, perubahan iklim, banjir dll. Apakah pihak asuransi seperti kami
ini
  bisa jadi anggota?
 
  Terima kasih.

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RE: [iagi-net-l] Re: tsunami -- Menjadi anggota IAGI/HAGI

2005-02-10 Terurut Topik Parlaungan (RTI)
Setuj.

Ya sesuai namanyalah ahli geologi atauuu orang yang merasa tahu
geologi atau minimal pernah mengecap pendidikan geologi atauuu
berkontribusi luarrr biasa pada perkembangan ilmu geologi. 
 

-Original Message-
From: Noor Syarifuddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:14 AM
To: iagi-net@iagi.or.id
Subject: Re: [iagi-net-l] Re: tsunami -- Menjadi anggota IAGI/HAGI

Setahu aku status anggota luar biasa itu diberikan ke orang-orang di
luar
profesi Geologi tapi telah memberikan kontribusi yang luar biasa dalam
perkembangan ilmu kegeologian..jadi bukan sebagai alternatif dari
anggota biasatapi lebih merupakan suatu penghargaan.

Kalau nggak nanti bisa-bisa ada bakul pecel yang jadi anggota luar biasa
IAGI...:-)

Buat mbak dari Asuransi (gile koneksinya Rovicky cewek zemua...), khan
gak
perlu jadi anggota IAGI, tapi cukup jadi anggota IAGI-net yang
keanggotaannya sama sekali tidak diatur oleh AD/ART IAGI..atau kalau
mau
lebih gampang khan dia juga bisa baca arsipnya saja.(gak tahu apa
milis
IAGI-net masih diarsip secara otomatis seperti dulu...).

salam,





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From: andang bachtiar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: iagi-net@iagi.or.id
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Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [iagi-net-l] Re: tsunami -- Menjadi anggota IAGI/HAGI


 keanggotaan perorangan non-geologist dapat diakomodir di dalam AD/ART,
 beberapa anggota IAGI-Nusra juga bukan geologist, mereka menjadi
anggota
luar biasa...


 andang
 ketum iagi

 Rovicky Dwi Putrohari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 sebagian diskusiku dengan temen dr asuransi

 Boleh kah seseorang yg berkecimpung dalam bidang risk analisis perush
 asuransi yg tentusaja kerjaan sehari2nya berhubungan dg bencana
 menjadi anggota IAGI atau HAGI ?
 bagaimana dengan AD/ART-nya, sudah terakomodasi kah ?
 keanggotaan perorangan atau perusahaan ?

 sepertinya ini bagian dari sosialisasi organisasi kita :)

 RDP

  Oh ya Mas, saya boleh tau bagaimana untuk menjadi member IAGI atau
HAGI?
  Atau Mas bisa memberi saran kira-kira organisasi apa yang ada di
Indonesia
  yang cukup sering membahas hal-hal gempa bumi, tsunami, gunung api,
longsor,
  topan, perubahan iklim, banjir dll. Apakah pihak asuransi seperti
kami
ini
  bisa jadi anggota?
 
  Terima kasih.

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Re: [iagi-net-l] Re: tsunami -- Menjadi anggota IAGI/HAGI

2005-02-10 Terurut Topik Rovicky Dwi Putrohari
Saya termasuk orang yg ingin menjadikan IAGI milik semua, entah
bentuknya seperti apa. Dapat saja dengan memberikan informasi ke
masyarakat awam (sosialisasi), atau mengajak mereka menggeluti ilmu
geoscience ini secara amatir (mirip astronom amatir, yg juga
memberikan kontribusi pada ilmu perbintangan), dapat juga berupa
keanggotaan milist, atau anggota luar biasa dll.

Ada pro-con ttg keanggotaan luar biasa ini. Sangat mungkin menjadikan
kita kehilangan arah keilmuan geoscience, namun bisa juga dilihat
sebagai hal 'memperkaya khasanah' (termasuk geoklenik :). Bisa berarti
memberikan dan menyebarkan ilmu kepada msyarakat, namun bisa juga
dianggap nanti 'membocorkan ' sesuatu pemikiran yg kadangkala kita
sendiri belum yakin (terutama ancaman bencana), karena dapat justru
memperkeruh suasana.

Bagi saya AD/ART bukan sebuah benda sakral yg ngga bisa diubah atau
diinterpretasikan berbeda. Saya lihat sangat mungkin IAGI/HAGI membuat
wadah khusus untuk lebih memberikan arti ke orang awam ttg bumi yg
diinjaknya. Mungkin sudah perlu dibentuk komisi mitigasi bencana (?
sudah ada), keanggotaannya bisa saja ditampung disini.

Bukan buat kita tapi buat mereka. 
ya  buat mereka.

salam,
RDP
===
btw, Saya sudah sampaikan nama (cowok looh Noor :) dan nama perusahaan
asuransi tsb ke  Sekretariat IAGI dan HAGI.


On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:50:51 +0700, Parlaungan (RTI)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Setuj.
 
 Ya sesuai namanyalah ahli geologi atauuu orang yang merasa tahu
 geologi atau minimal pernah mengecap pendidikan geologi atauuu
 berkontribusi luarrr biasa pada perkembangan ilmu geologi.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Noor Syarifuddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:14 AM
 To: iagi-net@iagi.or.id
 Subject: Re: [iagi-net-l] Re: tsunami -- Menjadi anggota IAGI/HAGI
 
 Setahu aku status anggota luar biasa itu diberikan ke orang-orang di
 luar
 profesi Geologi tapi telah memberikan kontribusi yang luar biasa dalam
 perkembangan ilmu kegeologian..jadi bukan sebagai alternatif dari
 anggota biasatapi lebih merupakan suatu penghargaan.
 
 Kalau nggak nanti bisa-bisa ada bakul pecel yang jadi anggota luar biasa
 IAGI...:-)
 
 Buat mbak dari Asuransi (gile koneksinya Rovicky cewek zemua...), khan
 gak
 perlu jadi anggota IAGI, tapi cukup jadi anggota IAGI-net yang
 keanggotaannya sama sekali tidak diatur oleh AD/ART IAGI..atau kalau
 mau
 lebih gampang khan dia juga bisa baca arsipnya saja.(gak tahu apa
 milis
 IAGI-net masih diarsip secara otomatis seperti dulu...).
 
 salam,
 
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 From: andang bachtiar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: iagi-net@iagi.or.id
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [iagi-net-l] Re: tsunami -- Menjadi anggota IAGI/HAGI
 
  keanggotaan perorangan non-geologist dapat diakomodir di dalam AD/ART,
  beberapa anggota IAGI-Nusra juga bukan geologist, mereka menjadi
 anggota
 luar biasa...
 
 
  andang
  ketum iagi
 
  Rovicky Dwi Putrohari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  sebagian diskusiku dengan temen dr asuransi
 
  Boleh kah seseorang yg berkecimpung dalam bidang risk analisis perush
  asuransi yg tentusaja kerjaan sehari2nya berhubungan dg bencana
  menjadi anggota IAGI atau HAGI ?
  bagaimana dengan AD/ART-nya, sudah terakomodasi kah ?
  keanggotaan perorangan atau perusahaan ?
 
  sepertinya ini bagian dari sosialisasi organisasi kita :)
 
  RDP
 
   Oh ya Mas, saya boleh tau bagaimana untuk menjadi member IAGI atau
 HAGI?
   Atau Mas bisa memberi saran kira-kira organisasi apa yang ada di
 Indonesia
   yang cukup sering membahas hal-hal gempa bumi, tsunami, gunung api,
 longsor,
   topan, perubahan iklim, banjir dll. Apakah pihak asuransi seperti
 kami
 ini
   bisa jadi anggota?
  
   Terima kasih.

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Re: [iagi-net-l] Re: tsunami -- Menjadi anggota IAGI/HAGI

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[iagi-net-l] Tsunami 'landslide' revealed

2005-02-10 Terurut Topik Rovicky Dwi Putrohari
Angkatan laut Inggris merilis beberapa gambar hasil survey dasar laut
dari kapal The Royal Navy's HMS Scott.

Ada dua hipotesa mekanisme tsunami yg terjadi di Aceh kemaren. Yang
satu akibat pengangkatan dasar laut yg kedua akibat longsoran bawah
laut, atau kombinasi keduanya bersama/berurutan. Hasil survey angkatan
laut Inggris ini memberikan pandangan baru tentang tsunami, serta
gempa sebagai pemicu.

Kalau benar bahwa longsoran dapat menyebabkan tsunami besar, maka
pemetaan dasar samodra menjadi sangat penting utk dilakukan. Disamping
identifikasi titik2 kritis gempa seperti yg dilakukan Danny dkk, maka
identifikasi lokasi2 lereng2 kritis menjadi titik rawan dimana
kemungkinan tsunami terjadi juga sangat penting untuk memperkirakan
potensi tsunami.

Seperti yg disinggung kemaren soal tsunami Selat Makassar, dimana
tsunami disana lebih banyak disebabkan oleh longsoran bawah laut yg
terpicu oleh gempa.  Maka potensi tsunami bisa saja tidak hanya
menyangkut gempa saja namun juga termasuk pemetaan lereng kritis.

Nah sekali lagi kolaborasi ilmu2 yg berkaitan sangat diperlukan,
antara ahli longsor permukaan dan longsor bawah permukaan dapat
berkolaborasi melihat gejala-gejala ini.

ah banyak yg mesti dilakukan ...

RDP
===
Tsunami 'landslide' revealed
From correspondents in London
February 10, 2005
From: Agence France-Presse
 
Tsunami / MOD
Epicentre ... this image shows a rift in the earth's crust deeper than
the Grand Canyon in the US. Pic: UK Ministry of Defence.

THE British Navy has released the first images of the seabed at the
epicentre of last year's killer earthquake and tsunami that reveal the
massive canyons and ridges left by the collision of two of the earth's
plates.
The Royal Navy's HMS Scott has been taking underwater sonar readings
off the Indonesian island of Sumatra to try to find out how the
earthquake unfolded and then produced the giant waves that have killed
nearly 300,000 people in 11 countries.

The ship's officers presented the readings in the form of coloured
digital mapping at the United Kingdom Hydrographic Office in Somerset,
England, indicating a large landslide some 100m high by 2km in length.

HMS Scott's Commanding Officer Steve Malcolm said initial assessments
by scientists indicate two of the earth's tectonic plates clashed
together, causing a ridge on the seabed which forced sea water to
travel upwards to form the devastating tsunami on December 26.

It must have occurred like the rumpling up of a carpet, he said.

He said he hoped the survey would give a warning as to when this could
happen again with the aim of removing the likelihood of such a
terrible loss of life.

The survey will provide the base map for future extensive research
into the process of how earthquakes work and how they produce
tsunamis.

Data will help produce charts to build a picture of what happened on
December 26 and what might happen next.

The commander said it was hoped the Indonesian government would permit
the release of as much information as possible to the wider local
community to give warning to prevent such a tragedy happening again.

He said the survey and its images, though unable to give exact
predictions of when earthquakes will occur, could indicate a level of
risk.

The depth of the water in the area of the epicenter varies between
200m and 5000m metres, all of which is within the HMS Scott's
capability, scientists say.

The epicenter of the quake, which measured a massive 9.0 on the
Richter scale, lies within the Indonesian Exclusive Economic Zone.

The survey will fall under the definition of Marine Scientific
Research under the UN Convention on Law of the Sea.

HMS Scott sailed from Plymouth's Devonport Naval Base in November last
year to undertake a program of military-based data gathering in the
North Atlantic, Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean.

Scientists from Southampton Oceanography Centre and the British
Geological Survey have been working with the crew on the Scott since
January 26.

The images show bands of colour representing different seabed depths
due to ridges and canyons in the seabed structure. Those in blue are
some 4300m deep (canyons) while those in red are shallower at around
1000m deep (ridges).

The naval staff said they believed that after the collision of the
plates, high ridges in the structure of the seabed crumbled to form a
canyon.

The images show the canyon created from the landslide movement in
blue. Commander Malcolm described this movement as like scree sliding
down the side of a quarry.

Royal Navy Captain Ian Turner told the conference: I believe from a
scientific perspective the images from the seabed of Sumatra are no
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The earthquake's epicentre is shown on the images with a small yellow
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[iagi-net-l] IAGI's Field Trip: Geology and Stratigraphy of West Arm of Sulawesi

2005-02-10 Terurut Topik IAGI Pusat
Dear Professionals,

This advertisement is for 20 explorationists only

Indonesian Association of Geologists proudly presents IAGI’s Field Trip:
Geology and Stratigraphy of West Arm of Sulawesi in the first semester
of this year.

This excellent field trip is specially conducted for the explorationist
who wants to broaden their knowledge on the geology of West Arm of
Sulawesi to get equipped with new concepts in exploring the resources of
the area. If you think you are, let’s joint the trip.

Only 20 participants will join this field trip, it means that if you are
booking your seat right now, you will go with us. So, what are you
waiting for? Please contact IAGI Secretariat now.


Regards,
IAGI Secretariat 
(Ady / Benz) 
Phone/fax : 021-83702848, 83702577  
E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]




IAGI ANNUAL FIELDTRIP PROGRAM
“STRATIGRAPHY AND TECTONIC 
OF WEST ARM OF SULAWESI”


Fieldtrip Overview
West Arm of Sulawesi is a very interesting geological place to
understand the relationships between geology and resources (oil, gas,
minerals, groundwater), the exploration of which are still in their
early stages. Only limited numbers of papers and publications have been
released by company or researcher describing this area. This fieldtrip
is aimed to give the participants advanced knowledge of structural
geology, stratigraphy, groundwater, minerals and petroleum systems in
West Arm Sulawesi especially in South Sulawesi Province. 

There are a lot of outcrops, morphology and sight-view to be visited
along this 5-days-4-nights trip crossing the West Arm of Sulawesi. These
geological objects represent the geological history of the area which
are going to be discussed comprehensively by the trip leaders during the
trip so as to give the participant advanced knowledge of West Arm of
Sulawesi geology, i.e.: tectonic setting, structural development,
lithostratigraphy succession, basin history and also application for oil
and gas, mining, groundwater, and for some extent: engineering geology.

Some of the best outcrops in West Arm of Sulawesi will be visited. Among
others are: Bantimala area with its mélange complex, limestone of Tonasa
Formation, quartz sandstone of Mallawa Formation, volcanic sediments of
Camba Formation, and limestone of Toraja Formation. Of a special
interest for petroleum geology, the trip will also visit outcrops in the
Sengkang basin area, which has been proven gas producing basin in
Sulawesi for several years now.

Mr. Bambang Priyadi (Geology Dept. ITB), Mr. Nusatriyo Guritno (CNOOC)
and Mr. Kaharuddin M.S. (Geology Dept. UNHAS) are the three experienced
leaders who will guide this fieldtrip. Some papers and publications
resulted from their research in West Arm of Sulawesi area.

This fieldtrip also offers geotourism aspects of the South Sulawesi
Province. The beauty of Tana Toraja highland offering unique culture,
ritual ceremony, traditional stone cemeteries and house called
tongkonan, with beautiful landscape of mountain, river and valley. Also
in Sengkang area we can find Tempe Lake and handmade woven silk that can
be brought for souvenir from Sulawesi.


Date: 
April, 17 – 21, 2005 
(5 days, 4 nights) Departed and ended at Soekarno Hatta Airport,
Cengkareng
(1/2 Thursday, full Friday to Sunday 1/2 Monday, 
start at 06.00 am Thursday, finish at 16.00 pm Monday) 
 
Venue: 
Hotel Kenari Bukit Indah– Pare-Pare ** (day 1)
Novotel – Toraja  (day 2)
Hotel A. Pada – Sengkang ** (day 3)
Hotel Quality – Makassar  (day 4)

Instructor: 
Bambang Priadi (Geology Dept. ITB)
Nusatrio Guritno (CNOOC)
Kaharuddin MS (Geology Dept. UNHAS)  

Cost: 
US $ 1,500 (IAGI member)
US $ 1,600 (Non IAGI member)

Includes: air fares, land transport during the trips, full
accommodation, course material, field gadget, meals. 
  
Who Should Attend: 
Exploration geologists, development/production geologist, geophysicist,
reservoir engineers, log analyst, petrophysicist, engineering geologist,
hydrogeologist, paleontologist and mining geologist. 

We urge you to reserve your seat as soon as possible, better be quick! 
Seat availability is limited minimum 15 and maximum 20


Closing Date : March 17th 2005


Trip Schedule : 
Day-1, Thursday, Apr, 17 2004
Maros – Pangkep – Bantimala – Barru – Pare-Pare
Day-2, Friday, Apr, 18 2004
Pare-Pare – Sidrap – Enrekang – Makale – Rantepao 
Day-3, Saturday, Apr, 19 2004
Rantepao – Makale – Palopo – Sengkang
Day-4, Sunday, Apr, 20 2004
Sengkang – Kampung Baru – Camba – Maros - Makassar
Day-5, Monday, Apr, 21 2004
Makassar – Tanjung Bunga – Maros (Hasanuddin airport) 


For further information please contact IAGI Secretariat
Mineral  Batubara Building 6th floor
Jl. Prof. Dr. Soepomo SH, No.10, Jakarta 12870
Phone/fax 021 – 837 02 848 / 837 02 577
Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ady / benz)


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