Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: Debian will not need Ubuntu to survive but Ubuntu will always need Debian. +1 Hear ye ye. -- Arun Khan Sent from my non-iphone/non-android device (অরুণ খান্/अरुण खान) ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Rohan Garg rohang...@ubuntu.com wrote: I strongly disagree with the statement that Ubuntu is merely `a Canonical thing now`. There are various flavors of Ubuntu like Kubuntu Can *buntu carry on if Canonical were to pull the plug and close shop today? -- Arun Khan Sent from my non-iphone/non-android device (অরুণ খান্/अरुण खान) ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
Can *buntu carry on if Canonical were to pull the plug and close shop today? possible but unlikely. Most probably people will switch to other distro like Mint. -- http://www.twitter.com/vivpuri | http://www.machint.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
2013/4/30 Gaurav Paliwal gaurav.paliwal1...@gmail.com: Hi, I think debates like which distro is good or which language is better then others are not worthy enough to engage into. All these things vary greatly based on individual. Every distro, every language and every IDE has its own pros and cons and they are almost incomparable. Gaurav, Yes, every distro is different. But the question is what is acceptable to us as a community of people who care about freedom and what is not. Do you accept sending desktop search results to Amazon by default in Ubuntu? -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
No, I won't prefer that at personnel level. With Regards, Gaurav Paliwal From: Praveen A Sent: 04/30/2013 PM 01:12 To: Gaurav Paliwal Cc: Sanjay Gupta; Sudhanwa Jogalekar; ilugd-bounces+sanjaygupta.amritsar=gmail@lists.linux-delhi.org; Rohan Garg; ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org; iitd...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013 2013/4/30 Gaurav Paliwal gaurav.paliwal1...@gmail.com: Hi, I think debates like which distro is good or which language is better then others are not worthy enough to engage into. All these things vary greatly based on individual. Every distro, every language and every IDE has its own pros and cons and they are almost incomparable. Gaurav, Yes, every distro is different. But the question is what is acceptable to us as a community of people who care about freedom and what is not. Do you accept sending desktop search results to Amazon by default in Ubuntu? -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
2013/4/30 Gaurav Paliwal gaurav.paliwal1...@gmail.com: No, I won't prefer that at personnel level. Are you okay Canonical making this choice for all Ubuntu users? -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
Again I don't want that to happen but others may or may not be impacted even if canonical do so. With Regards, Gaurav Paliwal From: Praveen A Sent: 04/30/2013 PM 05:21 To: Gaurav Paliwal Cc: Sanjay Gupta; Sudhanwa Jogalekar; Rohan Garg; ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Subject: Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013 2013/4/30 Gaurav Paliwal gaurav.paliwal1...@gmail.com: No, I won't prefer that at personnel level. Are you okay Canonical making this choice for all Ubuntu users? -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
Turns out I will not be in Delhi next week, if anyone is interested in taking this forward, please do so :) Regards Rohan Garg On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Gaurav Paliwal gaurav.paliwal1...@gmail.com wrote: Again I don't want that to happen but others may or may not be impacted even if canonical do so. With Regards, Gaurav Paliwal From: Praveen A Sent: 04/30/2013 PM 05:21 To: Gaurav Paliwal Cc: Sanjay Gupta; Sudhanwa Jogalekar; Rohan Garg; ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Subject: Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013 2013/4/30 Gaurav Paliwal gaurav.paliwal1...@gmail.com: No, I won't prefer that at personnel level. Are you okay Canonical making this choice for all Ubuntu users? -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
2013/4/30 Gaurav Paliwal gaurav.paliwal1...@gmail.com: Again I don't want that to happen but others may or may not be impacted even if canonical do so. What is uncertain about it? Are you not sure if Ubuntu has this option? Or are you not sure if the information is sent to Amazon? When the option is configured as default what is unclear about if it affects a user or not? If one is not affected then, one has to know Ubuntu is doing this, one has to know it affects ones privacy and its bad, then one has to know how to opt out from this and then opt out from this. Do you think that is an easy path for a normal user? Do you still think that is acceptable for a Free Software distribution to do? If at all it is an useful thing, shouldn't it be an opt in? or shouldn't a user be asked or informed about it? -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
Hi Just thought I'd let everyone know that I talked to Jono Bacon about these concerns, he informed me that a redesign is underway and there will be a site dedicated to the community. You can read more about this here [1] He also explained why ubuntu.com has no direct link to debian.org , from the IRC conversation logs : jono the target demographic of ubuntu.com are folks who want to learn about the functional benefits of ubuntu, so they are unlikely to go to the Debian homepage jono so the link is better served on the community pages jono which is what we are working on right now You can find the whole conversation available on [2] once the logs are updated. Regards Rohan Garg [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite [2] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/04/30/%23kubuntu-devel.html On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Rohan Garg rohang...@ubuntu.com wrote: Turns out I will not be in Delhi next week, if anyone is interested in taking this forward, please do so :) Regards Rohan Garg On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Gaurav Paliwal gaurav.paliwal1...@gmail.com wrote: Again I don't want that to happen but others may or may not be impacted even if canonical do so. With Regards, Gaurav Paliwal From: Praveen A Sent: 04/30/2013 PM 05:21 To: Gaurav Paliwal Cc: Sanjay Gupta; Sudhanwa Jogalekar; Rohan Garg; ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Subject: Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013 2013/4/30 Gaurav Paliwal gaurav.paliwal1...@gmail.com: No, I won't prefer that at personnel level. Are you okay Canonical making this choice for all Ubuntu users? -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Rohan Garg rohang...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi Parin Sorry Rohan but these days Ubuntu is a different story, especially for the past few years, the project is going a different way. IMHO, in a quest to replace Windows it has gone the Windows way by introducing malicious features like Spyware[1] in it. Whoa, let me just stop you right there for a moment. Ubuntu is the name of the whole project but also the name of some products/flavors . So this is clearly aimed towards a particular flavor. Just wanted to clarify that before proceeding. So personally I don't use it or recommend it to anyone, moreover for me Debian Release party was more of community event, to celebrate the release of a universal GNU/Linux OS which has been there for a long time, almost 20 years, with most of things taken care by volunteers while Ubuntu is more of the Canonical thing now. So IMHO I don't think we can have a release party together, for them. I strongly disagree with the statement that Ubuntu is merely `a Canonical thing now`. There are various flavors of Ubuntu like Kubuntu / Xubuntu / Lubuntu which have a strong community side attached to it. I find it offensive that you chastise the entire community for the actions of a company that is just one aspect of the whole Ubuntu ecosystem. Not taking sides, but Canonical provides alot of tools, infrastructure and manpower that allows all these flavors to come to fruition. Not to mention that alot of foundations work done in Ubuntu finds its way back into Debian. Don't want to start a Debian v/s Ubuntu debate, here because IMHO they are incomparable, with the kind of purposes for which they are developed. Neither do I, everyone is entitled to their opinions, however, it seems to me you have a very limited view of what Ubuntu is. Now that I've (hopefully) widened your view a bit, would you still be open to the idea of having a Ubuntu + Debian release party? I strongly believe that both Ubuntu and Debian need each other in order to survive and that there should be more friendly relationships between the two. Debian will not need Ubuntu to survive but Ubuntu will always need Debian. -Sudhanwa ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! President, Wikimedia India www.wikimedia.in web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com Date: 29/04/2013 15:34 (GMT+05:30) To: Rohan Garg rohang...@ubuntu.com Cc: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org,iitd...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013 Debian will not need Ubuntu to survive but Ubuntu will always need Debian. Sudhanwa Very well said, Sudhanwaji. You hit the nail on its head. Thank you. Sasi Kumar ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
I think we should not forget our goals. How can we take the solutions to the masses when we cannot resolve our differences within our home. They are still 97% of desktop market. Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -Original Message- From: Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com Sender: ilugd-bounces+sanjaygupta.amritsar=gmail@lists.linux-delhi.org Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:34:09 To: Rohan Gargrohang...@ubuntu.com Cc: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org; iitd...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013 On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Rohan Garg rohang...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi Parin Sorry Rohan but these days Ubuntu is a different story, especially for the past few years, the project is going a different way. IMHO, in a quest to replace Windows it has gone the Windows way by introducing malicious features like Spyware[1] in it. Whoa, let me just stop you right there for a moment. Ubuntu is the name of the whole project but also the name of some products/flavors . So this is clearly aimed towards a particular flavor. Just wanted to clarify that before proceeding. So personally I don't use it or recommend it to anyone, moreover for me Debian Release party was more of community event, to celebrate the release of a universal GNU/Linux OS which has been there for a long time, almost 20 years, with most of things taken care by volunteers while Ubuntu is more of the Canonical thing now. So IMHO I don't think we can have a release party together, for them. I strongly disagree with the statement that Ubuntu is merely `a Canonical thing now`. There are various flavors of Ubuntu like Kubuntu / Xubuntu / Lubuntu which have a strong community side attached to it. I find it offensive that you chastise the entire community for the actions of a company that is just one aspect of the whole Ubuntu ecosystem. Not taking sides, but Canonical provides alot of tools, infrastructure and manpower that allows all these flavors to come to fruition. Not to mention that alot of foundations work done in Ubuntu finds its way back into Debian. Don't want to start a Debian v/s Ubuntu debate, here because IMHO they are incomparable, with the kind of purposes for which they are developed. Neither do I, everyone is entitled to their opinions, however, it seems to me you have a very limited view of what Ubuntu is. Now that I've (hopefully) widened your view a bit, would you still be open to the idea of having a Ubuntu + Debian release party? I strongly believe that both Ubuntu and Debian need each other in order to survive and that there should be more friendly relationships between the two. Debian will not need Ubuntu to survive but Ubuntu will always need Debian. -Sudhanwa ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! President, Wikimedia India www.wikimedia.in web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
Hi, I think debates like which distro is good or which language is better then others are not worthy enough to engage into. All these things vary greatly based on individual. Every distro, every language and every IDE has its own pros and cons and they are almost incomparable. With Regards, Gaurav Paliwal From: Sanjay Gupta Sent: 04/29/2013 PM 05:00 To: Sudhanwa Jogalekar; ilugd-bounces+sanjaygupta.amritsar=gmail@lists.linux-delhi.org; Rohan Garg Cc: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org; iitd...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013 I think we should not forget our goals. How can we take the solutions to the masses when we cannot resolve our differences within our home. They are still 97% of desktop market. Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -Original Message- From: Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com Sender: ilugd-bounces+sanjaygupta.amritsar=gmail@lists.linux-delhi.org Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:34:09 To: Rohan Gargrohang...@ubuntu.com Cc: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org; iitd...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013 On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Rohan Garg rohang...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi Parin Sorry Rohan but these days Ubuntu is a different story, especially for the past few years, the project is going a different way. IMHO, in a quest to replace Windows it has gone the Windows way by introducing malicious features like Spyware[1] in it. Whoa, let me just stop you right there for a moment. Ubuntu is the name of the whole project but also the name of some products/flavors . So this is clearly aimed towards a particular flavor. Just wanted to clarify that before proceeding. So personally I don't use it or recommend it to anyone, moreover for me Debian Release party was more of community event, to celebrate the release of a universal GNU/Linux OS which has been there for a long time, almost 20 years, with most of things taken care by volunteers while Ubuntu is more of the Canonical thing now. So IMHO I don't think we can have a release party together, for them. I strongly disagree with the statement that Ubuntu is merely `a Canonical thing now`. There are various flavors of Ubuntu like Kubuntu / Xubuntu / Lubuntu which have a strong community side attached to it. I find it offensive that you chastise the entire community for the actions of a company that is just one aspect of the whole Ubuntu ecosystem. Not taking sides, but Canonical provides alot of tools, infrastructure and manpower that allows all these flavors to come to fruition. Not to mention that alot of foundations work done in Ubuntu finds its way back into Debian. Don't want to start a Debian v/s Ubuntu debate, here because IMHO they are incomparable, with the kind of purposes for which they are developed. Neither do I, everyone is entitled to their opinions, however, it seems to me you have a very limited view of what Ubuntu is. Now that I've (hopefully) widened your view a bit, would you still be open to the idea of having a Ubuntu + Debian release party? I strongly believe that both Ubuntu and Debian need each other in order to survive and that there should be more friendly relationships between the two. Debian will not need Ubuntu to survive but Ubuntu will always need Debian. -Sudhanwa ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! President, Wikimedia India www.wikimedia.in web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
Its not about which distro is better. Its about original question put up by Mr. Rohan. Should make it a Debian + Ubuntu release party ? Or separate celebrate is good for both. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Gaurav Paliwal gaurav.paliwal1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think debates like which distro is good or which language is better then others are not worthy enough to engage into. All these things vary greatly based on individual. Every distro, every language and every IDE has its own pros and cons and they are almost incomparable. With Regards, Gaurav Paliwal From: Sanjay Gupta Sent: 04/29/2013 PM 05:00 To: Sudhanwa Jogalekar; ilugd-bounces+sanjaygupta.amritsar=gmail@lists.linux-delhi.org; Rohan Garg Cc: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org; iitd...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013 I think we should not forget our goals. How can we take the solutions to the masses when we cannot resolve our differences within our home. They are still 97% of desktop market. Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -Original Message- From: Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com Sender: ilugd-bounces+sanjaygupta.amritsar=gmail@lists.linux-delhi.org Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:34:09 To: Rohan Gargrohang...@ubuntu.com Cc: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org; iitd...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013 On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Rohan Garg rohang...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi Parin Sorry Rohan but these days Ubuntu is a different story, especially for the past few years, the project is going a different way. IMHO, in a quest to replace Windows it has gone the Windows way by introducing malicious features like Spyware[1] in it. Whoa, let me just stop you right there for a moment. Ubuntu is the name of the whole project but also the name of some products/flavors . So this is clearly aimed towards a particular flavor. Just wanted to clarify that before proceeding. So personally I don't use it or recommend it to anyone, moreover for me Debian Release party was more of community event, to celebrate the release of a universal GNU/Linux OS which has been there for a long time, almost 20 years, with most of things taken care by volunteers while Ubuntu is more of the Canonical thing now. So IMHO I don't think we can have a release party together, for them. I strongly disagree with the statement that Ubuntu is merely `a Canonical thing now`. There are various flavors of Ubuntu like Kubuntu / Xubuntu / Lubuntu which have a strong community side attached to it. I find it offensive that you chastise the entire community for the actions of a company that is just one aspect of the whole Ubuntu ecosystem. Not taking sides, but Canonical provides alot of tools, infrastructure and manpower that allows all these flavors to come to fruition. Not to mention that alot of foundations work done in Ubuntu finds its way back into Debian. Don't want to start a Debian v/s Ubuntu debate, here because IMHO they are incomparable, with the kind of purposes for which they are developed. Neither do I, everyone is entitled to their opinions, however, it seems to me you have a very limited view of what Ubuntu is. Now that I've (hopefully) widened your view a bit, would you still be open to the idea of having a Ubuntu + Debian release party? I strongly believe that both Ubuntu and Debian need each other in order to survive and that there should be more friendly relationships between the two. Debian will not need Ubuntu to survive but Ubuntu will always need Debian. -Sudhanwa ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! President, Wikimedia India www.wikimedia.in web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- ♫ You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
On 04/26/2013 09:56 PM, Rohan Garg wrote: Possibly make it a Debian + Ubuntu release party? Since Ubuntu and all it's flavors had a release yesterday? Sorry Rohan but these days Ubuntu is a different story, especially for the past few years, the project is going a different way. IMHO, in a quest to replace Windows it has gone the Windows way by introducing malicious features like Spyware[1] in it. So personally I don't use it or recommend it to anyone, moreover for me Debian Release party was more of community event, to celebrate the release of a universal GNU/Linux OS which has been there for a long time, almost 20 years, with most of things taken care by volunteers while Ubuntu is more of the Canonical thing now. So IMHO I don't think we can have a release party together, for them. Don't want to start a Debian v/s Ubuntu debate, here because IMHO they are incomparable, with the kind of purposes for which they are developed. [1]http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do -- Parin https://identi.ca/FRDManiac https://joindiaspora.com/u/frdmaniac ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
Hi Parin Sorry Rohan but these days Ubuntu is a different story, especially for the past few years, the project is going a different way. IMHO, in a quest to replace Windows it has gone the Windows way by introducing malicious features like Spyware[1] in it. Whoa, let me just stop you right there for a moment. Ubuntu is the name of the whole project but also the name of some products/flavors . So this is clearly aimed towards a particular flavor. Just wanted to clarify that before proceeding. So personally I don't use it or recommend it to anyone, moreover for me Debian Release party was more of community event, to celebrate the release of a universal GNU/Linux OS which has been there for a long time, almost 20 years, with most of things taken care by volunteers while Ubuntu is more of the Canonical thing now. So IMHO I don't think we can have a release party together, for them. I strongly disagree with the statement that Ubuntu is merely `a Canonical thing now`. There are various flavors of Ubuntu like Kubuntu / Xubuntu / Lubuntu which have a strong community side attached to it. I find it offensive that you chastise the entire community for the actions of a company that is just one aspect of the whole Ubuntu ecosystem. Not taking sides, but Canonical provides alot of tools, infrastructure and manpower that allows all these flavors to come to fruition. Not to mention that alot of foundations work done in Ubuntu finds its way back into Debian. Don't want to start a Debian v/s Ubuntu debate, here because IMHO they are incomparable, with the kind of purposes for which they are developed. Neither do I, everyone is entitled to their opinions, however, it seems to me you have a very limited view of what Ubuntu is. Now that I've (hopefully) widened your view a bit, would you still be open to the idea of having a Ubuntu + Debian release party? I strongly believe that both Ubuntu and Debian need each other in order to survive and that there should be more friendly relationships between the two. [1]http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do -- Parin https://identi.ca/FRDManiac https://joindiaspora.com/u/frdmaniac ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Debian Wheezy coming on 05.05.2013
Possibly make it a Debian + Ubuntu release party? Since Ubuntu and all it's flavors had a release yesterday? Regards Rohan Garg On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 9:54 PM, FRDManiac Parin parin.sha...@gmail.com wrote: About Debian[0] Debian (pron.: /ˈdɛbiən/) is an operating system composed of open source software packages mostly carrying the GNU General Public License. The Debian, or Debian GNU/Linux operating system is, at its core, made up of opensource software from the GNU project and of a kernel from the Linux project. The Debian Project was founded in 1993 by Ian Murdock to be a truly free community project. Since then the project has grown to be one of the largest and most influential open source projects. Thousands of volunteers from all over the world work together to create and maintain Debian software. Available in 70 languages, and supporting a huge range of computer types, Debian calls itself the universal operating system. --- The next Debian release codenamed Wheezy is going to be released[1] on 05.05.2013. Here[2] is whats new in Wheezy. Debian release parties[3] are happening all over the world. I want to organize a Debian release party, if more people are interested here, we can have one in Delhi as well. We can start a new thread to discuss things about the Debian Release Party Delhi if more people are interested. [0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian [1]http://bits.debian.org/2013/04/release-date.html [2]http://wiki.debian.org/NewInWheezy [2]http://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyWheezy -- Parin https://identi.ca/FRDManiac https://joindiaspora.com/u/frdmaniac ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
