Re: [The Java Posse] Get Access to the Professional Videos of Java at ITeLearn
On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 09:36:12 +0200, charlesmoore...@gmail.com wrote: [SPAM] So, the Heavens are telling us that this mailing list is basically dead and exposed to spammers. I'd personally be sad to lose the contact with many of you, because of the interesting discussions in the past. But that's life and I'll soon unsubscribe. I think Cédric invitation to his mailing list is a good idea - I subscribed a few days ago. It would be nice to meet there again. Best luck to everybody. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [The Java Posse] Podcast suggestions?
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 04:33:07 +0200, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote: My feelings exactly. Every time a new build system comes out, I get excited, I try it and I realize that while it does fix a few things that don't work very well in Maven, Maven still wins overall in usability, productivity, tooling and general support. Amen. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [The Java Posse] Podcast suggestions?
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 04:45:47 +0200, clay claytonw...@gmail.com wrote: - Declarative when you want it, imperative logic when you need it. I've heard people say Maven forces you to be declarative, which is silly. It depends. When you have heterogeneous groups where you have to enforce some order, declarative is better because you can force people to stick with a standard way to do things. - Multi-project builds are handled better. Gradle's approach of allowing everything in two files at the root (build.gradle/settings.gradle) is better than having pom.xml files scattered throughout the tree. Really most of my pom.xml files in modules just contain coordinates and inherit everything from the master pom. BTW in some projects that I booted and how I help in maintenance, I constantly find people adding useless stuff in pom.xml, that should be inherited instead. Usually it can just be deleted. I can only figure out the mess that they'd do if imperative stuff was allowed. It really depends on the kind of team you have. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [The Java Posse] Digest for javaposse@googlegroups.com - 2 updates in 1 topic
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:16:24 +0200, Joel Neely joel.ne...@gmail.com wrote: Lua is the programming language under the Codea app on the iPad, and has been used as the language to write games publishable on that platform. If I'm not wrong Lua is also used by Adobe Lightroom, for the UI interface. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [The Java Posse] Any thoughts on Swift?
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:25:15 +0200, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote: IDEs are an interesting bag, though. Eclipse had to invent their own toolkit to come close to making it work. And, I have not heard anyone True, but this happened ages ago. In the meantime, native Java UIs are ok today. But weren't we talking about a *language*? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [The Java Posse] Any thoughts on Swift?
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 17:28:56 +0200, BoD bodlu...@gmail.com wrote: Ok thanks for this link, interesting stuff there indeed :) I guess I'll google a bit to see if I can understand the difference between ARC and a GC. I'm just catching up with the email and feeds after four days of totally isolation and I'm still reading Cédric's post... In any case, this ARC vs GC subject recalls me of the first days with Java. ARC is just a primitive way to do automatically memory management and it's definitely more limited than GC. It basically keeps a counter of users of a given object releasing it when the counter decrements back to zero, so -for instance - pure ARC can't solve circular references: two objects linking each other will keep at least a value of 1 on their linked objects, preventing collection. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [The Java Posse] Any thoughts on Swift?
On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 16:38:11 +0200, Jess Holle je...@ptc.com wrote: With Swift's ARC you have unowned and weak references, which you're expected to use to resolve such issues. So the programmer certainly has more responsibility for memory management -- hopefully with greater speed as a result, else it's just a universally bad idea. How much greater? Because in Java GC is hardly a speed problem nowadays (unless we're talking of games, which at this age I'm completely unaware of). -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Quirks with JDK 8 and AspectJ
On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:24:08 +0200, Matt Walsh wals...@gmail.com wrote: I've just received this same error deploying WSO2 Identity Server with Java 1.8. I searched around and found your post. What little evidence I can find on the internet suggests it to be general 1.8 wonkiness. Thanks for the feedback. I'm waiting for the final version of AspectJ to come out. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[The Java Posse] Quirks with JDK 8 and AspectJ
Hello. I've started porting some of my pet projects to JDK 8. Most of them use Spring and AspectJ, so I did expect some problems related with bytecode manipulation (as it happened at the beginning with JDK 7). Indeed, no problems at the first smoke tests (with AspectJ 1.8.0.RC2) even though there has been a sort of retarded flame - inconsistent and random errors. I suppose I'll have to wait for the final AspectJ 1.8.0. But this wasn't my goal for this post. I've also configured my Hudson so all the other projects (still running with -source 1.7 and -target 1.7) are also compiled with the JDK 8 in 7 mode. I've found a strange error with AspectJ failing with a curious The type java.lang.CharSequence cannot be resolved. It is indirectly referenced from required .class files Did some of you already made some experience with compiling with JDK 8? Sure I wouldn't consider it mature for production until no problems appear for several weeks, but I didn't expect to see existing projects break without any change. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Android newbie but not Java newbie
On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 19:38:17 +0200, rakesh mailgroups rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote: another question - do you guys use MVP (or its variants)? If you mean Model-Value-Presenter? I'd answer yes, the point is understanding what we mean with variants. I'd rather say I use variants of PAC and DCI, but sure some concepts are in common with MVP, for instance the point that there's a middle man which totally isolates the Model from the View (PAC added value is in the way different components interact, and sometimes it makes sense, sometimes - for very simple apps - it doesn't). PS I should also probably define what I mean with use... I don't write software for a value in return, I mentor customers in writing their software for a value in return. In such cases I tend to stick to simpler approaches (and customers then find their own way which doesn't coincide with mine); the software I write on my own has always also an experimental value and I tend to mix lots of things. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [The Java Posse] Unenforceable software licences
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 03:08:07 +0100, rakesh mailgroups rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I emailed a company about using its free version during development of our app and they said it can't be used for commercial projects (there's paid-for versions for that). Then I realised there's no way for that to be enforced because the tool does not end up in the final product. Whats the point of stipulating restrictions of use when its unenforceable? There's a point, of course, because people should respect contracts just because they respect other people, not only because they fear to be punished. But I understand your objection, that company might be naive and trust too much in people. This doesn't mean they don't have a good business model - I don't know what the tool does, but perhaps in some cases they can sell support. So it's a matter of chances: they think that even though a relevant amount of people won't respect the contract, the fraction of whose who do, or those who need to pay for support, is enough for sustainability. Note that this is not a black white problem. If I release a GPL library, in theory I can enforce the contract because the bytes end up in the final product. Still, if the software is not open sourced and is running on a server, nobody can see it but the owner. There's no automatic tool that can check licenses in servers around the world and I'm not aware of any police that periodically performs mass inspections - I mean, the police/military corps that deal with taxes should do that, but as far as I see they only act after a direct complaint; but for someone to make a complaint, he had to know something in advance, and without seeing the bytes he can't. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [The Java Posse] Any Excitement about JDK 8?!?
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:10:29 +0100, Mark Derricutt m...@talios.com wrote: So... When looking toward Java 8, catching up in some areas would be a fair assessment? Anyone have any thoughts on: http://java.dzone.com/articles/think-twice-using-java-8 and the linked: http://coopsoft.com/ar/Calamity2Article.html Looks like parallel streams in Java8/ForkJoin are broken by design - at least with the streams API as they force you to use a common ForkJoinPool which defaults to a limited number of threads - for the entire JVM. seems a little limiting Unless I'm missing something... I didn't play much with streams so far, and I missed that post (I had serious troubles with my two Apple laptops in the past ten days and I have accumulated a large queue of posts to read...). But actually I was curious about why you can use the plain ForkJoin API by specifying an explicit ThreadFactory (I agree, it's an advisable thing to have a separate pool for each task) and this is not possible with parallel(). Is there an official word by the API designers? Is it just something that can be added with an overloaded method parallel(...) or is there a deeper design problem behind it? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Any Excitement about JDK 8?!?
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:03:37 +0100, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote: There's a lot of FUD here. Agreed. ForkJoin is *not* broken, blocking I/O threads are broken. Agreed as well, in general. Still, wouldn't be a good thing to be able to specify a pool in parallel()? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] TDD in 2014
I consider myself and advocate of TDD, not a fan - with this I mean that it's one of the most important best practices, but it must not be taken with zealotry. Cédric wrote some very reasonable points. As usual, it depends on the context. There are places where it makes sense to have innovative solutions, and maybe you have to try 2/3 different approaches before to find the good one. Being obsessive with TDD here can be a waste of time, so I'd do some, but with more focus on getting quickly to a validation/rejection point of the solution. Summing it up, I could say that it makes sense to do less TDD when prototyping, even though I'd still do some. OTOH in many cases, call them boring if you wish, you are in a slight variation of something you've seen before: CRUD, reporting, alarms, etc... Here you can safely start with more TDD. The most important point by Cédric, whom I agree to, is to give more importance to integration/functional tests rather than unit tests - or, let's say again it depends on the context, but don't go blindly with tons of unit tests; think it over, be sure to give the proper value to the proper categories of tests, and focus on the value. In the end, the very, very, very important thing is to *have tests*. I still see tons of pains because people don't have tests and spend most of the project time to fix regressions that could be easily avoided, or they get stuck into legacy code without any possibility of refactor because they don't have control because they don't have tests. You can have tests even when you didn't go with the 100% TDD approach. OTOH, it's really easier to write tests in TDD rather than adding later, for a number of reasons, including that you'll have a design where tests fits better. Truth lies in the middle. My rough way to say it is that in the typical contexts I see 60%-70% TDD is the way to go - I mean, if I look at coverage metrics in this kind of projects, the coverage in the first iterations is 60%/70%. Then it should go up as the project stabilizes. It would be more meaningful to measure coverage on functional points rather than code alone. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Any Excitement about JDK 8?!?
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 09:20:35 +0100, Mark Derricutt m...@talios.com wrote: On 14 Feb 2014, at 10:13, Jan Goyvaerts wrote: I think the mentioned downsides summarize it quite well: It is already obsolete - before even being released. Maybe, but I'm wondering if a lot of the recent FUD over Scala's internals will scare off enough people who were only at the considering scala stage to stick with JDK8 ( altho, I think that more gives fuel to Ceylon or Kotlin ( or maybe even Xtend ). Ceylon's use of its own module system may affect its adoption, unless you're writing complete standalone apps ( afaik - I need to look more at how the modules interact with regular java ). Perhaps we should discuss an update to the current popularity of languages. For what I see, Java might be on its regular decline path, but none of the alternate languages mentioned in this thread have exited from the marsh of exotic stuff where they were in the past. So, perhaps, the real world problems in software development are quite far from the language. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Any Excitement about JDK 8?!?
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 21:46:16 +0100, clay claytonw...@gmail.com wrote: - My employer will likely not approve any JDK 8 work for three years or so. ... which is perhaps one reason for which there's not much excitement in some people. I'd personally be tempted to start playing with it, but at the moment it would be a waste of time for me. I'm only using it for JavaFX 2 (there are lots of improvements in this area) and it's the only thing that could *perhaps* convince some customer to move to JDK 8 within the year. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Automatically starting a java process on startup
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:54:04 +0100, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote: Most people I know using EC2 seem to favour Ubuntu, in which case I'd normally suggest a simple upstart script: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#run-a-java-application Failing that, I'd have to second Steven's suggestion. Service Wrapper has worked well for me in the past. If nothing else, it makes classpath handling easy, and integrates quite nicely with config files managed puppet or equivalent. Probably I didn't understand the question... I've got both jetty and tomcat based deployments in Ubuntu and I just used the packages provided by the distribution: they come with startup scripts, so everything starts automatically at boot and I can control the thing with the usual service jetty8 restart etc... I didn't have to touch any script, only a configuration file for tuning memory options, etc... -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Restful interfaces
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 15:21:03 +0100, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking to serve dynamic content, then don't! It really messes with caching, CDNs, etc. A much nicer approach is to have distinct resources and run the logic on the client to determine what to fetch. +1 -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Restful interfaces
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:22:05 +0100, Ricky Clarkson ricky.clark...@gmail.com wrote: I had some pretty good experiences with Jersey a year ago. It's quite simple, mostly annotation-based and iirc fails in readable ways when you get things wrong. We were also using Spring MVC on the same project, which seemed horrendous in terms of failure messages. I've been fine with both. In the end I prefer Spring if it's used also for other things, because I can get rid of Jersey and have one less library. The Jersey client (2.0) is quite nice to use. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Restful interfaces
On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 17:46:53 +0100, Phil Haigh surfsoftconsult...@gmail.com wrote: Of course they’re going to call it REST if they think it is REST, in the same way that many teams will say they are agile when they might only implement a small sub-set of what being completely agile actually is. The point is precisely naming. There are things that people should never do (using the verbs without respecting their semantics), and there are trade offs in REST that sometimes make sense (such as the cited versioning in the URL, as it's browser friendly). The problem is that we call all of that 'REST' and it makes confusion. In a better world a few different intermediate practices would have been given different names. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Software versioning
On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 05:41:38 +0100, Rakesh rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote: A fellow (new to the team) developer was shocked we did not version our release artefacts. We pretty much just give the latest war file (with the same name each time) to the infrastructure team to deploy. Not enough information to evaluate. For instance, I've seen the following thing done: stuff is released through Maven, so every artifact is versioned both externally (file name) and internally (manifest) and archived on Nexus. Then, the war file given to people for install in production is stripped the version suffix, to facilitate deployment (no need to touch the Tomcat configuration file to publish it with the same context prefix; I'd personally do that, but ...). In any case, you can anyway retrieve the version looking at the manifest (but even if the manifest won't be there you could match it with its master copy in Nexus by MD5). So, in the end, this scenario won't shock me as soon as we are starting from versioning artifacts. The rationale is obvious to me: at each moment you can easily proof what version is running in production, so you can correctly match it with the change log and bug reports. Instead, if the whole process never has a clear way to tag artefacts since from the beginning, I'd be worried :-) -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[The Java Posse] JavaFX: Lombard - Van Ness
Guys, I'm seeing some notifications of JavaFX bugs that were aimed at Lombard (JDK 8.0) and now are retargeted at Van Ness (JDK 8.1 if I'm not wrong, later in 2014) :-(((. Unfortunately the stuff impacting on WebView rendering (that I mentioned here in the past) is in the group. I wonder whether there are other strategic parts that are being retargeted... -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Jigsaw take IV
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:13:20 +0200, Uberto Barbini ube...@ubiland.net wrote: Using Osgi with karaf to solve dipendencies with maven it's working pretty well. I'd like for having the concept of public/private packages in a jar supported by the language and then same kind of module main (Activator in Osgi lingo). +1 -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[The Java Posse] Schneier on Wired about the current equilibrium between encryption and possible NSA cryptanalysis
http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/09/black-budget-what-exactly-are-the-nsas-cryptanalytic-capabilities/ -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How good is JavaFX WebView in JavaScript?
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:36:59 +0200, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: Two weeks ago, though, the issue has been marked as verified and fixed with the latest JDK 8 - I didn't have the time to check it yet since I'm on holidays with a limited bandwidth and I can't afford large downloads. I'll try it in September. FYI Back at home, I downloaded 8u104 and tried on Mac OS X. Unfortunately the problems are still here. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: How good is JavaFX WebView in JavaScript?
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:24:31 +0200, Taylan Emre tayl...@gmail.com wrote: why did not nobody tried tinycme or ckeditor with javafx? i tried but: it crashes with the same issue https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-23456 i get execution protection violation and appl totally crashes. to generate the case, on tinymce, clicking right and then left mouse button on the editor kills the appl. on ck, i crashes often but couldnt generate the scenario, it seems random. I tried Aduna - it was slightly better than your attempt since it didn't crash, but there were issues and the editor doesn't work (it corrupts the text and unproperly renders it). JDK 1.8.0.ea-b99 only resolved the rendering, while the editor was still broken. Two weeks ago, though, the issue has been marked as verified and fixed with the latest JDK 8 - I didn't have the time to check it yet since I'm on holidays with a limited bandwidth and I can't afford large downloads. I'll try it in September. See this issue and the related stuff for more information: https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-31382 OTOH, editor aparts, I have the experience of a customer with Javascript legacy code that is successfully executed in a JDK 7 WebView. This is simpler JavaScript that just reads data from a server and modifies the DOM in the page. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[The Java Posse] Failures maintenances... a coincidence?
In the past week my german provider notified me that, in spite of low changes, a virtual server of mine has been vaporized by the simultaneous failure of two disks in a RAID server. If I'm not wrong, even Google and Amazon experienced some failure in the infrastructure and I've received a number of notifications of maintenance ahead, including my bank and my telecom provider. All roughly at the same time... just a coincidence? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Failures maintenances... a coincidence?
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:10:22 +0200, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: In the past week my german provider notified me that, in spite of low changes, Sorry, ... low chanCes (for that kind of failure to occur) ... -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Failures maintenances... a coincidence?
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:25:28 +0200, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote: Obviously proof that the NSA controls Germany as well. LOL. But my guess (of course, this is not a particularly serious guess) was rather about some coordinated hacker attack. I've lost the link, but a few days ago I read about some hardware platforms (motherboards used in rack systems or such, if I'm not wrong) that are allegedly prone to attacks because of a hardware vulnerability. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[The Java Posse] About Chrome security
I had this question in mind for some time to ask here, but so far I didn't because after all was a well known theme. But I see that the point has been reprised by Engadget, so I have the excuse of commenting its post ;-) http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/07/chrome-saved-passwords/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6166731 Key point: Chrome doesn't protect user passwords with a master key. Google says that, beyond the o.s. login, everything else is just theater and would provide a false sense of security, encouraging risky behaviour by the user. With all the respect that I owe to Google and its engineers... may I humbly say that this sounds to me as supreme nonsense? It sounds as saying listen, a fence is just theater as it takes ten seconds to be broken. So we didn't build any fence around our plant. Still, all the military bases I know have a fence as the first level of protection. I've never seen one, but I guess that Google data centers are protected by a fence too. Are those guys just stupid? Out of the metaphor: I've always understood that good security is made by a layer of things, the former ones could be even easily breachable, but they act as a first gross filter. Practically, I've learned Google's point a few weeks ago when I moved to Chromium. I applied their point, making sure that Google data are on an encrypted partition; and I've always taken care of my laptop, e.g. making sure that when I move the encrypted partition is unmounted. This of course to protect a whole bunch of data other than Chromium passwords. Still, sometimes you can get distracted for just a few seconds and I don't think it's human to ask people to lock the screen when they just turn around. A master password would just prevent the nearby co-worker from peeking his nose in such circumstances. Without master password, it's really a matter of seconds to get to the passwords. Your opinion? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] About Chrome security
On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 19:17:43 +0200, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote: Agreed, I think the response of the Chrome security team is “disappointing”, to quote Tim Berners Lee. I just blogged about thisgoo.gl/zeIkz8 . Excellent post - just but one point. For other browsers the master password (maybe optional) has been there for a long time. For what I recall, Firefox has always had it since I used it; the old Opera also had it, with a totally opposite policy (the user himself couldn't see the passwords! A third-party plugin was available for that, showing only one at a time, in the login form that used it). I don't recall Explorer (too many years since it was my everyday browser). Changing perspective - it's curious that the thing with Chrome has always been like that; there was already plenty of people complaining in the open and Google's answer was the same. But if Engadget discovers the problem and Sir Berners-Lee tweets about it, perhaps things are going to change. I don't know whether I'm happy or sad about that, but I'd say the latter. It sounds as the perception of a problem is considered more than the problem itself. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] About Chrome security
On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 20:23:31 +0200, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote: Yes, but if they have access to a clear text password, they do what you are describing *and then* they go home to do more damage. Exactly. Add to the scenario a co-worker that maybe wants only to pull your legs with a joke (e.g. logging in into a forum with your name, etc...). Now, when you are under attack, either you can assess what has been accessed, or you have to act as everything was accessed. If I discover that a co-worker just took a password of a forum and did an innocent joke, I can't tell whether he also read other passwords. I have to change everything. Let me add two notes for better technical details of what I previously wrote. I don't know what happens with Windows, but with Mac OS X Chromium (I suppose also Chrome) uses the operating system Keychain Access. So I also moved the data folder of Keychain access to my encrypted partitions. Keychain Access has got its own master password, but curiously enough - honestly there could be something I'm not fully understanding - once it's opened by Chrome, it seems to stay open. That is the password is asked only once (I suppose Chrome holds a token for it, or such). There's an option to have a Keychain Access control in the icon bar, and you can use it to force the lock of all keychains - but, again, it's likely that you don't relock it for a pause of a few seconds, so the problem is as I described. For what I understand, e.g. Safari unlocks the Keychain Access with a different policy. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] About Chrome security
On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 21:10:01 +0200, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote: If you think you have been compromised ever, you *already* have to do this. For that matter, you also need to check the settings in your email client. Immediately. To make sure your email is not forwarding to someone else. Also, check the audit log, to make sure it has not been accessed from somewhere else yet. (For that matter, check all of the recover email addresses for your accounts.) An attack to settings can be assessed - I have a local rsync of all the sensible settings, thus in doubt I can do a diff and verify whether has been changed (or just restore from the latest rsync). And a change of settings can be undone with no further troubles (instead, a stolen password must be changed). -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] About Chrome security
On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 21:22:46 +0200, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote: I'm not sure why it's so hard to understand. Surely, not allowing a rogue user to see all my passwords in clear text is a reasonable requirement, right? Are you saying it's not even worth prompting the user for a master password before disclosing this information, like Safari does? I don't care about hundreds of different attack scenarios, I'm just asking a plain, common sense question: what's the harm in asking for a master password before showing all my passwords in clear text? Note that the fact that others applications can be compromised... just means that other applications require more security, and can't be used as an argument for justifying the lack of master password in Chrome. For instance, the email client mentioned by Josh should really ask me for inserting a password to change settings. I understand the false sense of security thing: then just implement a wizard which quickly explain that the user must anyway apply a correct behaviour. I completely agree that security is also a matter for education - I don't see how just not implementing a master password can educate anybody, especially the man in the street. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] About Chrome security
On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 21:30:23 +0200, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote: by filling in forms. The only scenario I see brought up that this protects against is a crime of opportunity where the attacker has less than a minute. In all other scenarios, you should be locking your account. Correct. The crime of opportunity in a tight time frame (seconds) is precisely what I'm talking of. I'm confused on your rsync of all settings. I was referring to your gmail or similar settings. Heck, even your facebook email address. If someone I don't use gmail, so I was referring to the fact that you could tweak with the settings of my rich client application for managing email. But your point is correct for any possible web application that has some sensible configuration. Still that's the case of a master password! With Opera, if I log in to any site that requires a password, it prompts for the master password before going on. It has a policy about how long it can recall the master password. Guess what, I set it to always ask. With Chrome, you just type the URL, it autocompletes the account/password fields and you just need to click on ok. It's bad, again, it takes mere seconds. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Fwd: [The Java Posse] About Chrome security
On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 22:02:24 +0200, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote: So, I have not observed this behavior discussed much (Or, I misinterpreted what we've been discussing). Specifically, the it will always prompt for a password before filling your password. If we are talking about adding that, this makes some sense to me. A lot, actually. Just protecting the page that will display the passwords does not. Let me add another point. Given that on Mac OS X Chrome delegates to Keychain Access and Keychain Access has got its own feature to see passwords (*), I'd say that on Mac OS X the Chrome passwords page should be entirely removed. Let's just entirely delegate to Mac OS X. (*) To see a password, Keychain Access asks for the master password. It let you decide whether the password will be remembered, or asked every time. In the end, this is a Apple policy. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Load balancing options?
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:59:18 +0200, Justin Ryan quidr...@gmail.com wrote: The approach Netflix takes is to use a discovery service (called Eureka, https://github.com/Netflix/eureka) and then tying that together with the code that makes API calls (https://github.com/Netflix/ribbon). If you're looking to add robustness to your calls, definitely look at those libraries. +1 I think this is the standard approach: I've seen it done (and I've done it myself) in the past with custom code. Hazelcast [1] also offers such a feature, but I don't know whether it's easy to extract it from the rest. [1] http://www.hazelcast.com/ -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Best hosting service for backend services
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:14:12 +0200, Thomas Matthijs li...@selckin.be wrote: If you're in the europe side of the world, i'm happy using hetzner.de, they are on the cheap end of the spectrum tho, and use like desktop hardware etc but never have any real issues I was going to say the same. There is a wide offerings: virtual machines starts at 7€ / month. The cheaper one runs with only 512MB of RAM and I've been using it for a while, but experienced some problems with Jetty (it hang sometimes). I upgraded to the one with 1GB of RAM and it's fine for running several simple websites using Jetty (probably I could spend some more time in trying to understand and fix the problem, but it would have been more expensive). Another identical machine is used to run my Nexus and JIRA instance (backed by a Postgres database) and it should fit your need. I'm more than pleased with Hetzner also because of the excellent tools for support, troubleshooting, etc. The only reason for which I'm looking around is that I want to experiment something in the cloud, but so far (checked last time two months ago) Hetzner proved to be the cheapest one. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] First party dependency management and build reproducability
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 18:08:40 +0200, Guy Gascoigne-Piggford g...@wyrdrune.com wrote: Our problem comes with first party dependencies. Pinning internally developed libraries, and their consumers causes a horrible ripple of version number changes for no reason other than to propagate the dependencies. This gets expensive very quickly and we've got teams that are understandably frustrated with this. What are the numbers, I mean, how many ripple levels do you have? I'm experiencing this only with a single project at a single customer, and I've always blamed the fact that that project was born without Maven (or any other modern dependency management facility), so it inherited some legacy structure. Other projects, which involve mostly the same staff, were born with Maven, but there's no frustration with them. In any case, I've designed a workaround for the first case, even though I don't like much and it's not perfect. The final assemble of the application is done by a separated Maven project called deployer (I reckon that assembler would be a better name, but that's it). It uses the dependency maven plugin to retrieve the artifacts from the other project modules. The deployer is composed of many sub-modules, each one having its own declaration of versions; in this way, there is on dependency divergence and the dependency resolving facility of Maven doesn't kick in - I mean, you pick exactly the thing you need. So, if you just need to upgrade the version of a module down in the dependency graph, you just declare its explicit version. This assumes that all the projects in the stack share the same versions of external libraries - when we decide to upgrade any of them, this must happen for the whole project. This mimics the deploy process used before the mavenization (assemble was done manually). As I said, to me this is a project structure smell, so I'd first try to understand whether there's something that can be improved in it. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] How good is JavaFX WebView in JavaScript?
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 11:24:58 +0200, Sven Reimers sven.reim...@gmail.com wrote: You should ask this on the openjfx mailinglist... or check the jira for openjfx Done, but no feedback as here... is it possible that I am the only one trying this approach? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[The Java Posse] How good is JavaFX WebView in JavaScript?
So far I've been using WebView - other than pure HTML rendering - e.g. in embedding some JavaScript-based legacy application inside a rich desktop application, and it worked fine. It only needed some patches to the JavaScript code (that was some old one, not perfectly portable, written for Firefox). Yesterday I started the integration with the Aloha Editor to have a WYSIWYG HTML editor embedded in a rich destop application, and some surprise came: the editor correctly boots, I can type and delete characters, but e.g. selecting a sequence of characters and applying a bold style eats up some parts. I supposed that JavaScript support in WebView is exactly the original one in WebKit. Am I wrong? Do you have any experience to share? Thanks. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Can (Gmail) email be read?
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:09:50 +0200, rakesh mailgroups rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Am i wrong? Rakesh PS This particular government has a reputation for eaves dropping on phone calls. This depends on how you trust Google (or whatever). You already know my answer. The only way to be safe is to use PGP or other tools to encrypt the mail contents, so the two trusted end points become you and your email partner. Be aware that, according to some, you will become a possible person of interest for NSA and such: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/use-of-tor-and-e-mail-crypto-could-increase-chances-that-nsa-keeps-your-data/ and I suppose for non-democratic countries this gets even worse. But you probably get what you wanted, privacy, even though at a cost. The problem is of politics nature, of course, so there's no way to solve it with purely technological means. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Can (Gmail) email be read?
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:39:54 +0200, Rakesh rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote: the question is not about trusting Google but can a government access email contents from Google easily? So the question is (also) about trusting Google. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Can (Gmail) email be read?
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 12:26:46 +0200, Thomas Matthijs li...@selckin.be wrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:39:54 +0200, Rakesh rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote: the question is not about trusting Google but can a government access email contents from Google easily? So the question is (also) about trusting Google. The average browser trust 50+ trusted root certificate from as many different organisation that you also need to trust As I said in my initial reply, Google (or whatever) - in function of what you're doing, many corporates are involved. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Can (Gmail) email be read?
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 12:36:28 +0200, Thomas Matthijs li...@selckin.be wrote: But the assumption was made that the SSL encryption was secure, and the trust issue lies with google, which is not true, if any of the root cert companies cooperate of have been hacked (has happened), any communication between you and google can be intercepted Correct, in fact I proposed to encrypt email with PGP or such, so you don't rely on the transport infrastructure, because I think we can't trust it. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Can (Gmail) email be read?
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:35:04 +0200, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:37 AM, Joseph Ottinger j...@enigmastation.comwrote: Email is evil, you shouldn't use it for anything, ever. You're beginning to sound like Stallman. The good news is that it might land you in the Internal Hall of Fame. Seriously, what's worse with email than any other thing such as chat, Twitter or Facebook? If there's a server, it can be eavesdropped. The only communication technologies that can't be massively eavesdropped today seem to be homing pigeons and smoke signals. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Can (Gmail) email be read?
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:38:40 +0200, Oscar Hsieh zen...@gmail.com wrote: 1. If NSA has direct access to mail server, then SSL is not going to help you (all major tech companies deny this and there is no reason to question it) No reason? The whole NSA stuff was not known until the press made the scoop. So, why should I think that we know everything now? Perhaps tomorrow the press will make another scoop... 2. If NSA has the private key then they can setup proxy and do men in the middle attack. 3. Or NSA can store the data first and then request for key to decrypt this later (They have the ability to store data up to 30 days apparently). By the way, not sure any of you read the story about British Intelligence taps directly into fiber optic networks http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa And we learn this because we live in free countries with free spech and free press. Figure out what happens in other countries. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] NPR money podcast discuss patents
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:45:57 +0200, rakesh mailgroups rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Very close to home this time talking about podcasts!! http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/06/05/188719954/how-one-patent-could-take-down-one-comedian We're reaching higher and higher peaks of absurd. Trying to applying some logic, though, I understand how mr. Logan can use the absurd patent system to sue manufacturers of software and hardware that _reproduce_ podcasts, I don't understand how he can purse people _creating_ podcasts... I mean, software patent wars have been fight, so far, in the field of manufacturers, not users. What am I missing? Should somebody find a troll patent in the field of photography, what could we expect now? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Android, from Eclipse to IDEA?
On Sun, 19 May 2013 20:52:08 +0200, Mike Wolfson mwolf...@gmail.com wrote: It is clear, that they are NOT moving away from Eclipse, but find the JetBrains architecture easier to customize in the ways they want (in particular, the direct Gradle implementation was one of the things he particularly called, and the xml next to visual layout). Thanks for the info, but your answer still leaves me a doubt. If they like IDEA more than Eclipse, I assume this means that they can do with IDEA better things than with Eclipse... right? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Android, from Eclipse to IDEA?
On Sun, 19 May 2013 21:20:41 +0200, Michael Wolfson mwolf...@gmail.com wrote: I do think there are frustrations with Eclipse architecture (I am not sure of the details). I perfectly understand this and it was one point that I presumed was behind the move... For instance, Xavier did specifically mention the Gradle integration with InteliJ was something they really liked - but also mentioned to me, that they will be integrating it into Eclipse soon (probably just takes more work). .. clear, but if they still want to support Eclipse, the frustrations are there to stay... right? I could see some things that are easier to implement in InteliJ never making it into Eclipse, or taking longer to migrate there. Perhaps this will be a more dynamic platform, and Eclipse will be the Old Workhorse that is stable, and doesn't change as rapidly. Ok, this makes sense, but it means that the innovation will mostly happen on Idea, which means that in one or two years there will be no reasons for using Eclipse. From the few pieces of information I'm reading here, I'd dare to say Android is actually abandoning Eclipse, with Google not wanting to explicitly say that, but letting it happen. On a side but related subject - Xavier did say that Ant will be deprecated as a build tool, and Gradle is the direction forward. The Gradle tool looks super awesome, and a perfect fit for Android (especially the way you can create multiple build types by creating distinct folders for each - ie. like using resource qualifiers for layouts). The new build tools is very welcome, I have done Maven, which was fairly painful, and Ant, which is limited, but easy. Looks like the new tool is the perfect combo of both. The few things that I understand about Gradle tell me that for me it's a step backward from Maven, which I like a lot. But I understand that Maven isn't good for single programmers that want to quickly learn the Android platform, possibly with little or scarce Java experience, so from this point of view I understand Gradle as forward move. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[The Java Posse] Android, from Eclipse to IDEA?
http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/studio.html -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Android, from Eclipse to IDEA?
On Thu, 16 May 2013 11:27:50 +0200, Graham Allan grundlefl...@gmail.com wrote: Saw this mentioned on twitter a couple of times. The impression seemed to be 'Google deserting Eclipse in favour of IntelliJ'. The link doesn't seem to imply that at all. It implies 'Android, from Eclipse to Eclipse _and_ IDEA'. There are still instructions on getting the ADT bundle for Eclipse. Did something else surface at Google I/O that would suggest Android tools for Eclipse are being abandoned? I decided not to comment anything, because I'm asking, not suggesting a trend, but I see that the mere subject was enough to be interpreted as an opinion :-) Seriously, as I can't attend Google I/O, this seems to be the better place to have an informed discussion. My starting point is that it's quite strange for a steward to explicitly support more than one IDE, being Oracle a one-of-its-kind case because the IDE multiplicity comes out of heritage. I also have some more points, but they are merely pre-judices at this stage, so I'd like to first hear from others (also, so far I didn't have a chance to see more of the new IDEA Android IDE, other than the screenshot). -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Java version numbering scheme
On Tue, 14 May 2013 10:55:20 +0200, Jan Goyvaerts java.arti...@gmail.com wrote: Why not Fibonacci build numbers ? :-p Just kidding ... We're quite lucky that they didn't adopt the usual Oracle scheme such as 1.8.0.34455.6039.783025... -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: face detection and recognition in java
On Tue, 14 May 2013 10:21:04 +0200, INs interlichtspielh...@gmail.com wrote: you can try opencv , they recently added java bindings Link, please! I have missed this... -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: face detection and recognition in java
On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:22:01 +0200, INTERLICHTSPIELHAUS interlichtspielh...@gmail.com wrote: and i won't make the 'google is your friend' remark :-) LOL to both :-) But my question was probably too cryptic. I do know OpenCV, what I missed were the Java bindings. I suppose I could find them myself at the OpenCV site... I was asking for review, examples in the real word etc... to understand whether the product is mature for some real stuff or not. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[The Java Posse] First public interview to Sundar Pichai, current Android Chrome executive
http://www.wired.com/business/2013/05/exclusive-sundar-pichai-reveals-his-plans-for-android/ Nothing revolutionary, but there are some interesting points about the evolution of the technologies... -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] HTTPS not secure?
On Thu, 09 May 2013 09:59:23 +0200, rakesh mailgroups rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've just been told that using HTTPS may not be secure enough for a business to business integration system I'm building. I went looking for more details and I found that a man-in-the-middle attack is possible. My reading of the situation is that if a client asks for a service on port 80, the server responds with a 302 redirect to port 443 and then the communication begins encrypted. The vulnerability is a potential snooper on the line may see the port 80 request and instead return a different request to the client and then be able to sniff the traffic. Could this be prevented by just getting the client to go straight to port 443? At some point, I have to provide a url for the other organisation to use and I could say its https://mysecuresite.com/blah. A call to port 80 would return forbidden or something similar. Would that work? If you're doing b2b, disabling port 80 is surely doable and it would just skip the vulnerable step you discussed. But I've got a question: if you use X509 certificates to authenticate both ends, I don't see how the fraudulent redirect can harm, at least in the scenario you discussed. If you're redirected to a false peer, it shouldn't be able to authenticate with the original certificate. Unless somebody stolen the private key at the peer, but in this case you've got other problems... Just my 2 cents in a few minutes. The argument is clearly more complicated. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] #418: Comments should be treated as a lesser-evil 'code smell'.
On Thu, 02 May 2013 10:46:31 +0200, Roland Tepp luol...@gmail.com wrote: Let's just say, that I've been bitten more often by missing documentation in large and complex legacy applications rather than outdated one. I don't disagree here and in the remainder of your post - but, again, I think we're referring to different kind of comments, as it already happened in this thread. I also often find missing documentation, but it's not the detailed level inside the code that I was referring to, and that often gets out of sync. I see lack of architectural and high-level documentation, let's say at component level. In any case, if there is documentation, that does not match code, it raises my flags and I go to the business analyst or architect and figure out the Correct, but if a system raises lots of red flags everywhere, red flags become meaningless. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] #418: Comments should be treated as a lesser-evil 'code smell'.
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:16:38 +0200, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, if you look at something like ArrayList, I don't think much is lost if all the comments and javadoc just disappeared, particularly the javadoc. 'get(int index)' is all I need to know. It depends. If one uses sublist(), for instance, he might not precisely recall whether upper bound is included or not, etc... I don't think get() is a menaningful example, as most common methods are ok for everybody who's not a rookie; javadoc is useful for those methods that are useful, but you seldom use. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: #418: Comments should be treated as a lesser-evil 'code smell'.
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:10:13 +0200, Graham Allan grundlefl...@gmail.com wrote: API vs Inline comments are a good line to divide across, but I suggest a different distinction: whether the audience is in your team or not. The difference between withing and outside of the team can be useless in some contexts. It's ok when there's a carefully build team, with low turnover. But often there's not such a thing, and in this case you should comment for your co-workers as they weren't co-workers. Also consider the case in which a large corporate is partitioned in islands, where you can talk of a cohese team, but just one per island. Often they deeply differ in knowledge of the technology and processes. Most of the produced software stays inside the original island, but often it leaks outside. Even in this case, while in the same corporate, you should comment as it is wasn't the case. I'm following this thread and reading things that I second, but most of the discussion about commenting depends on details on how the team has been built, maintained, etc... A theme that has not been dealt (unless I've lost something) and that it's very important and hard to manage is the mapping of business rules into code. I see corporates where business rules are very complex (I'm not in the position of analyzing them, because it's not my business, but often they are overcomplex), but at the same time well understood by a restricted bunch of people who are not developers, or anyway are not OO developers. This often get translated into overcomplex code, especially when you need optimizations (people who define business rules usually don't deal with optimization). Optimization is sometimes dealt internally by developers, other times by means of ad-hoc slightly changes of the business rules, with the agreement of business people. The result is that you have a sort of hybrid territory, in which you have artifacts that must be directly consumed by developers, but at the same time validated by business people, unfortunately the two groups of people speak different languages. This area is extremely hard to document - in fact, often this stuff is maintained by oral tradition. Sure, you can do a lot to improve things: tests, as usual, are good not only for developing but also to document business rules, and use DSL that can be at the same time consumed by programmers and directly validated by business people, but in the end I expect a good deal of inline comments here. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: #418: Comments should be treated as a lesser-evil 'code smell'.
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:20:34 +0200, Graham Allan grundlefl...@gmail.com wrote: You're right it's a different scenario where say you have satellite developers working halfway across the globe. In my experience this just happens across the same floor :-) In your scenario, it still sounds like comments are a smell, but it's the organisation that's stinky, not just the codebase :) Sure. The point is that the whole discussion about the comments should be given a context. I assume we're all assuming good code practices, because otherwise it wouldn't make sense. Good code practices are not pervasive at all, but I assume we're in a context in which we're striving for them, which is reasonable, as with the proper effort you can get some results. We can't assume we're always in a properly organised corporate, though. And large, badly organised corporates aren't emendable, at least in the short-medium term. Probably not even in the long. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: #418: Comments should be treated as a lesser-evil 'code smell'.
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 22:11:04 +0200, Mark Fortner phidia...@gmail.com wrote: Roland, We have a similar problem in the bioinformatics world, where a field like id could mean an ID from a specific database, an accession (an alphanumeric ID similar to a database ID). One way around this is to use semantic annotations for fields. Here's an example. http://aspenbio.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/biogroovy-and-the-semantic-web/ RDF is great for interoperability; for readability in general cases, it's still good but requires that the reader knows it. Generally speaking, annotations can be good for specifying constraints, pre/post conditions, and improve readability in a easy way. In its small garden, for instance, things such as @NonNull are simple, intuitive and deliver some added value. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Useless topic: Hudson/Jenkins blue balls
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:33:12 +0100, Dan Stine s...@stinemail.com wrote: Why does Jenkins have blue balls? http://jenkins-ci.org/node/377 This is very interesting, even though I think the article fails to give a full explanation. So, for japanese people green is just a shade of blue and there was a short time in which japanese traffic lights had blue in place of green. Ok. So what? Japanese traffic lights nowadays are green anyway and I understand they already were when Kohsuke was born... so the traffic light paradigm was that-shade-of-blue-that-others-call-green/yellow/red, not blue/yellow/red... What am I missing here? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Useless topic: Hudson/Jenkins blue balls
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:20:49 +0100, Jon Kiparsky jon.kipar...@gmail.com wrote: It's worth reading - but beware, as you might imagine this area a real trap for the curious. That's the purpose of useless topics! -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Useless topic: Hudson/Jenkins blue balls
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:36:37 +0100, Ricky Clarkson ricky.clark...@gmail.com wrote: And the English call it amber, even though traffic lights presumably On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote: On a related note, French call the middle light orange, and not yellow. It's fun... After Cédric said the orange thing, I was going to answer that even in old italian (decades ago) the middle light was orange. I googled for searching for a reference, and discovered that somebody is still using orange today - to give numbers, 70k results for the italian equivalent of semaphore orange versus 197k results for semaphore yellow. Even though I've never heard of it in spoken language. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[The Java Posse] Useless topic: Hudson/Jenkins blue balls
I've just seen that in the Hudson 3.0.1 change log there's the update of blue balls to green balls, since the color scheme has changed (Hudson 3 has switched to a purple scheme, I suppose because it's similar to the one of Eclipse as it is managed by the Eclipse Foundation). Just out of curiosity, I seem to remember that the original choice of blue vs green balls wasn't because of the original Hudson color scheme, but because of people with impaired color visual perception (that usually can't distinguish green from red)... am I wrong? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] OpenJDK 7
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:52:10 +0100, Johan Mynhardt johanmynha...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen the warning for IntelliJ, but performance wise my first impressions were that it's on par. I'm also using it for my local development server running on Glassfish 3.1.1 and I could not say that perceived experience was slower at all. So me for one, would use OpenJDK as much as possible :-) ... just recall that if you want consistency over multiple platforms, including Mac OS X, there are no more public builds of OpenJDK for this system (you have to compile them by yourself). -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Devoxx UK 2013 in London
On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:09:36 +0100, Martijn Verburg martijnverb...@gmail.com wrote: (and that goes for man, women or other). I absolutely want to dispute this! What's wrong with boot cats? They'd be awesome. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Devoxx UK 2013 in London
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:06:16 +0100, rakesh mailgroups rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Carl, I hate to burst your bubble but going to a tech conference isn't like going to see a concert or something! Some of the presentations are really great and you fell good inside that you are at the cutting edge of your profession. From the outside though, its a bunch of geeks wondering around, not really talking to each other (except the people you came with). It depends. I don't know about Devoxx UK, but Devoxx Belgium is a conference where definitely you have people talking to each other. Honestly, I think this is major vantage point of a conference, given that a presentation alone can be also enjoyed from the web (e.g. Parleys, for what concerns Devoxx) with a lower cost (especially including travel costs and missed billed days). -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Who else uses Google Reader ?
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:19:13 +0100, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in the same boat. Likely going to just not follow a lot a news for a while. :( Just to say a word from the other side... :-) I don't use Google Reader. I just read things by means of my Opera browser where a regular RSS subscription works. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Apple attacked too...
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:28:00 +0100, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:06:28 PM UTC+1, fabrizio.giudici wrote: I'm in the 50% of Mac users running an anti-virus, but after major attacks I always prefer to do some manual check... I just re-installed my Linux system to be sure I was not affected, but it seems the best strategy is to designate a special browser for applet/web-start stuff, given two brand new bugs (scroll to bottom): http://www.security-explorations.com/en/SE-2012-01-status.html Probably even better is going with a VM... -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Apple attacked too...
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:12:09 +0100, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: I just heard in the saturday morning news, that Microsoft had their systems compromised too by this Java exploit. While I can not find anything on this story using Google (too recent a news item?), I noticed that both Twitter and NBC were also hit. * http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/1/3942660/twitter-was-also-attacked-this-week-passwords-for-up-to-25-users-compromised ** http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/21/4015040/hackers-exploit-nbc-website-to-spread-malware Yesterday I actually ran into the Blackhole/Java exploit for the first time myself, while trying to debug a Java issue at a customer. The antivirus had apparently been updated and also found the virus, but not before it had wrecked havoc (reinstalling Java did not seem to fix the problem, I eventually traced it down to the trusted.certs keystore being compromised). Being so widespread, surely I am not the only one in this forum now starting to meet it in the wild? Are there some instructions to diagnose the problem, for all the major operating systems? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Apple attacked too...
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:16:39 +0100, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: Are there some instructions to diagnose the problem, for all the major operating systems? Good question. For the blackhole part, I would think not; for this is a dynamic drive-by exploit kit relying on a whole updatable arsenal of software bugs (which is what makes zero-day exploits so valuable to hackers). In other words, if using an outdated JRE (even on Linux) the past couple of months, you will potentially have been exposed. Even if I generally use one designated browser for applet/web-start stuff, for the first time ever, I wonder whether it's time to invest in an anti-virus for my Linux laptop. :/ I'm in the 50% of Mac users running an anti-virus, but after major attacks I always prefer to do some manual check... -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[The Java Posse] No more remote work at Yahoo?
Roughly ten years ago I hoped that within ten years technology and culture were mature (even in my country) for me to remotely work most of the time. My hope was tightly bound to my desire to move out to the countryside. This didn't happen, partially because I live in a country that is conservative in the wrong way, partially because I admit that for the kind of work I'm doing technology is not mature enough. But I know many people who remotely work for a substantially high amount of time. Perhaps it's still matter of time, and I'll be able to remotely work for my 50's... So I was really surprised in reading that at Yahoo! the CEO allegedly decided to kill the remote work option, so employees who do it will be forced to use their desktop at the corporate or go away: http://allthingsd.com/20130222/yahoo-ceo-mayer-now-requiring-all-remote-employees-to-not-be-remote/ The rationale seems to be a cultural one, not a technical one, so I'm even more surprised. I wonder whether there is a trend inversion in the USA, or this is just a one-of-a-kind case. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[The Java Posse] Mercurial/Git + Jazz SCM anybody?
I'm working with a customer who uses IBM RTC and Jazz SCM as the SCM. I don't have to develop production code for him, but some architectural spikes that will be later used by others. For agility reasons, it's fundamental that I keep the capability of working off-line: so far, the spikes have been developed committing locally on a Mercurial running on my laptop. But I want to share the code, and I have to use the corporate's Jazz SCM. Now, Mercurial allows to pull/push from a Subversion repo (already done in the past), and I know Git is able as well. If any of them had the same capability of pushing to a Jazz SCM repo I'd be ok, but searching through the web I didn't find anything. Does anybody have an experience in this area? Thanks. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[The Java Posse] Apple attacked too...
... and if I understand well this happened again by means of the Java plugin, right? http://www.loopinsight.com/2013/02/19/apple-comments-on-hacker-attack/ -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Apple attacked too...
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:43:54 +0100, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: That's my understanding. This follows the week after Facebook got hit by the same Java plugin vulnerability. Hopefully Oracle have learned a lesson here (don't hush up bugs, fix them and get updates out immediately). At the moment I have a very bad belly sensation that if the news ramp up in the worse fashion (as the hits at Facebook's and Apple's could do), I could see new vetoes in the industrial segment, where today I see many Java apps with webstart happily used. But I hope it's just I'm in a low mood because I have to work with Jazz SCM. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Apple attacked too...
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:32:56 +0100, Josh Berry tae...@gmail.com wrote: I think most of these have simply meant that somebody in the Apple network had the plugin running. Considering that most attacks of note I've read about involved direct emailing of exploited pdfs to executives, this makes sense. I suppose it's like in the Facebook exploit, there was a JWS-based attack hidden in a page of a forum visited by developers. As Josh said, some employee connected with the Java plugin enabled and so was infected. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Episode 412 Enterprise Integration - What about ESB?
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 01:45:15 +0100, Ricky Clarkson ricky.clark...@gmail.com wrote: Great question. I'd also like to hear from anyone who has used an ESB and Akka (not together) to try to understand why you'd want to use an ESB over Akka.. or not. From what I see a commercial, espensive ESB is sometimes a requirement of the customer (because, right or wrong, he has envisioned the integration of everything under that umbrella) or, for similar reasons, because you have to integrate some legacy from the same vendor - e.g. you have lots of IBM stuff, thus the most comprehensive, guaranteed and supported way to integrate them with an ESB is by buying an ESB made by IBM with all its certified adapters. Personally, I think that in most cases people could do with third parties or open source, instead of spending big money, but a branded ESB could be one of the few cases in which the money are worth spending (if the context is the one I've described above). -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Why do seemingly intelligent people still hold incorrect assumptions?
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:40:57 +0100, rakesh mailgroups rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Get your facts right people ... as for an attempt of answering the question in the subject, thus broadening the scope, our world mostly processed by established trends. Most people use JUnit and not try TestNG, because JUnit came earlier than TestNG. Most people use Git, because it came earlier than Mercurial, and Mercurial doesn't allegedly support branches (false). Most people use Eclipse, because everything Sun did was bad, NetBeans included. The products that came later of course were inferior in their youth, so a bad reputation could have been justified (such as the XML thing). And so on. But in my experience, every time I present those technologies, in the end people prefer TestNG (really almost everybody), NetBeans and Mercurial (most people). Then, there could be constraints in the adoption of the best product because of external pressure (e.g. your corporate just bought IBM RTC, or you realize that most people know Git, and a few Mercurial). The reason for this is that our profession is so packed of knowledge that it's really impossible to have a deep knowlegde of everything (but with the exception of people devoted to mentoring, technological transfer, etc... rather than directly developing a product or service). Thus, you have to delegate some knowledge to something else. This something else is the fashion. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Why do seemingly intelligent people still hold incorrect assumptions?
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:09:15 +0100, rakesh mailgroups rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote: sounds like what you're saying is that if I don't know something directly, just go with hearsay, even if it is untrue. Hearsay might be better as advice from some people I trust (let's say it's also more professional). But even some people I trust might not have the time to learn all the things in the appropriate way. So, their opinion could be not true. Creating a rationale awareness on everything you need is a hard job. The pressure to know more and more is probably responsible in this competitive market. Sure. Since I don't see any solution to this pressure (until the world breaks down - it will - and finds another equilibrium at a lower speed), the correct solution should be for corporates to spend more for tech classes and hire mentors devoted to fill the gaps. Of course, you should be still aware of the limits of each teacher/mentor, and - as for my previous statements on products - there will be still some subjective perspective (this is unavoidable). But if you pick teachers/mentors in function of their ability of presenting sound reasoning, citations, etc... in order to create a rationale that's as objective as possible, this should be the right way. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Why do seemingly intelligent people still hold incorrect assumptions?
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:09:51 +0100, phil swenson phil.swen...@gmail.com
wrote:
For the expression stuff in spring XML like this: property
name=username value=${jdbc.username}/
anyone know what they are using to process the XML? Almost no one in
the java world seems to use dynamic XML like this.
I'm no one in the world, so :-) and my customers too. It's pretty smart
indeed.
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Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Why do seemingly intelligent people still hold incorrect assumptions?
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:13:43 +0100, phil swenson phil.swen...@gmail.com wrote: I should clarify myself, I really meant Almost no one in the java world seems to use dynamic XML for *configuration* Ah-ha! But I answered before reading this. So I'm almost no one in the world. :-) -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Why do seemingly intelligent people still hold incorrect assumptions?
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:20:36 +0100, phil swenson phil.swen...@gmail.com
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Ok, from my experience I don't see it used. When I suggest it I hear
it's bad practice to mix code and config.
Correct. In fact with ${property} there's no mixing at all.
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Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Why do seemingly intelligent people still hold incorrect assumptions?
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:03:14 +0100, rakesh mailgroups rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote: A Principle Engineer at RedHat. Do they know you are also trolling like this? If you applied for a job and I came across your posts, I would not give you a job. You should be ashamed of yourself. C'mon Rakesh... we've discussed things seriously, we shouldn't take ourselves seriously. This week we even ignored the nazis, so let's relax! :o) -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] rails-like migrations for java
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:19:15 +0100, Wayne Fay wayne...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone found an open source java (or JVM) project that implements anything like rails-like migrations? All I see are naked SQL script migration techniques. Safe to assume you've seen liquibase and it was not rails-like enough? http://liquibase.org/quickstart +1 -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] rails-like migrations for java
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:13:00 +0100, phil swenson phil.swen...@gmail.com wrote: It's better than naked sql, but I think it should be a DSL - not XML. I would like the ability to add code to my migrations, sometimes data needs to be transformed during a migration. And code lets you do dynamic things that XML won't allow. Liquibase can be extended with code: https://wiki.openmrs.org/display/docs/Liquibase+Extensions -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Restricting internet access for kids
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:51:26 +0100, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:21 PM, Robert Casto casto.rob...@gmail.comwrote: It is about doing what we can to protect them from a world that has lost all sense of morality. Compared to when? Just a few decades ago, ... This is subjective of course, but they are just different kinds of immorality. They can't compared directly and, sure, it's good that all the bad things you've cited are (partially, partially...) at our back. So I perfectly understand Robert. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Restricting internet access for kids
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:14:17 +0100, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:41:42 AM UTC+1, rcasto wrote: Not saying there hasn't been progress or that there are not other bad things going on in the world. Your just challenging my motives based on my use of the term morality. I think your motives are perfectly fine. :) I'm just challenging the fine balance between knowing something but purposely/conveniently ignoring it vs. true ignorance (not knowing). Citizens of north Korea believes they live in the greatest country in the world, simply because they have been subject to massive filtering for ages. The same balance can be applied here: actually we don't know what (all? most of?) North Koreans think, because we are subject to massive filtering about their lives :-) I think many of them suspect something... -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Restricting internet access for kids
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:08:18 +0100, Ricky Clarkson ricky.clark...@gmail.com wrote: My eldest is four, so I don't really have a problem yet but I think I'll install ManicTime (tracks what apps you use and what pages you visit, mainly for freelancers to bill per hour) and review it every so often. Anything like this for Mac OS X (for consultants, not for kids...)? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Digest for java...@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 1 Topic
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 01:47:34 +0100, Simon Ochsenreither simon.ochsenreit...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Haniford markha...@gmail.com 9:52 PM (3 hours ago) No wonder everybody hates your nazi german ass, you piece of shit. Hi Mark, I think you forgot to CC the mailing list. Let's allow everyone to participate! Ahhh... great way to start the new day. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] remove ask toolbar
On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:30:57 +0100, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote: It would be better for the thing to not exist at all than for it to not meet the target. Well, this democracy (at least, in the internet declination). If just a handful of people sign it, it means it's not an important problem for most people. I've just signed, anyway. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Tabs and spaces - I don't get it
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:49:08 +0100, Ricky Clarkson ricky.clark...@gmail.com wrote: I just don't know why people continue to use Eclipse. In many cases it's IBM sales force. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Tabs and spaces - I don't get it
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:17:52 +0100, Rakesh rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't this a bit like King Knut? I've seen soo much code over the years, much of it legacy, to think this is a problem worth solving. If I worked extensively in one codebase and never saw anyone else's code including open source code from outside my organisation, then maybe I would be sensitive to this. It's a matter of consistency. In a good team, you shouldn't be able to tell who's the author of a file. Consider the mess that would turn out in a project where there's a high turnover rate of external consultants. This of course involved even things much more important than formatting, but also formatting. Also because it's simple to align on a standard and relatively simple to enforce it. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [The Java Posse] Episode 404...
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:56:39 +0100, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: Name calling aside, it *is* a little funky how the US prefers to go their own way rather than converting to the standardized metric system. Yes it's going to confuse old and conservative people for a time, just as it has in the past other places, but just get it over with once and for all. Unfortunately I did not hear this item in Obama's inauguration speech (but it was nice and unprecedented to hear about green energy). Well, let's forget politicians declarations, please. They are just plain void, in every country. For the record, just after the re-election Obama said a very different thing, that is the creation of jobs, when in contrast with green energy, comes first (actually, I believe it's the only thing that I agree about with Obama). Given that USA plans a lot about shale gas oil you guess... We probably all remember the famous software bug* that caused the international Mars Climate Orbiter probe to crash into Mars, due to NASA issuing thrust instructions in lbs rather than newtons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter *Technically this was not a bug nor a lack of specification, but a human error based on culture, however it would not have happened if everyone agreed on the primary quantities/units. Correct, but I wonder also about testing... :-) Is it possible that the problem couldn't be detected by them? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Episode 404...
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:37:53 +0100, Jess Holle je...@ptc.com wrote: While the US is often prone to stubbornly go its own way, I don't actually see that as a big part of the equation here. I don't comment on the own way, since the important thing is whether a given way makes sense or not. So far USA went their own way for some things that made sense. Units don't in my opinion. I think this is mostly about most folk in the US being unable to stomach the thought of changing to some weird new units that they're unfamiliar with. They live their lives thinking solely in terms of pounds, gallons, ounces, miles, feet, and inches. Kilograms, liters, kilometers, and meters are positively Martian to most people in the US. I'm not sure how well those who don't take a good sampling of science courses really get introduced to SI units, much less their compelling nature. Even among those who are, many don't see them in use enough to /think /in terms of them. [It helps when you're into things like cross-country skiing where measurements are primarily in SI units -- even in the US.] Correct, but didn't the UK face with the same problem and survived? They also faced with a reform in their currency, as well as many Europeans faced with a complete change in the currency (whether a good idea or not is another matter). Everyone wants more government than they're willing to pay for and no one puts enough priority on investments -- but rather just kicks the can down the road for the future. This is true for things ranging from the metric system to public infrastructure (sewer systems, bridges,...) to education and research. USA have their own problems, but the whole Western world unfortunately is suffering from a huge loss of quality in politics. Still, other countries such as the cited UK managed to made the unit change in the past. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Episode 404...
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:08:12 +0100, Ricky Clarkson ricky.clark...@gmail.com wrote: Still, other countries such as the cited UK managed to made the unit change in the past. Brits still measure distances in miles, height in feet and inches and weight in stone and lbs. The height and weight thing might be changing with the current generation of schoolchildren, I'm not sure, but miles look to be there to stay. I know that the transition is still in progress and I do expect it would take a generation. I don't hear Britons screaming in terror, but perhaps I'm a bit too far form them... :-) Well, when I visited UK in the past, I didn't hear people screaming anyway. If you want to standardise things, shall we start with the spoken language and leave the units until continental Europe uses English instead of their local dialect? :) Bad example... One might take this argument as: everybody uses his own unit system at home, but talks a common lingua franca (the metric system) with others. This seems to be roughly what we're doing. I also think that there could be also different linguae francae in function of the context and in some contexts there is probably a very good integration. For instance, I think even UK scientists measure things in nanometers rather than nanoinches, at least when they publish a paper. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Episode 404...
Besides lack of familiarity there's also a vicious anti-government undercurrent. Ok, I was missing this point - I understand it. But this only holds for end users - not for industrial applications. I understand that there are costs involved in changing a system, but given that many engineering products are made by parts produced on both sides of the Atlantic I see costs already today due to the co-existence of two systems since somebody has to do some conversion. For instance, I presume that aerospace manufacturers today have got this problem. Time is such a critical unit of measurement that it has eluded decimalization. Note that the point in this discussion is not about the merits of *metrics*, rather the merits of a common, shared system. So, it's not a problem for me the fact that we'd use a decimal system for most measures, base 60 for time and angles, and powers of two for disk and memory capacity, and even inches for monitors, as far as we all use the same. Amusingly, in Alabama, they used to have kilometer markers on the road in addition to the mile markers. They found that this caused confusion, because people did not report which unit marker they were at, just the marker. So... back to mile markers for the foreseeable future. Was writing 24M and 20K so that people could report the trailing letter really too hard? :-) Jokes apart, I do agree that exposing a double system to end users creates more problems than it solves. -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Episode 404...
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:54:35 +0100, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed this must be very interesting from a historical perspective (the number 60 in Danish is a reference to an old base 20 system; Duh! I presumed the only strange thing was the french soixante-dix and quatre-vingts ;-) -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Episode 404...
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:25:12 +0100, Rakesh rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote: God damn Dick!! You've gone native! JNI? -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s. We make Java work. Everywhere. http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
