[libreoffice-l10n] emoji uniqueness?
Does each emoji string have to be unique? (I suppose so). Is there an automated test for uniqueness that will show up in the Fix critical errors column? The reason that I ask is that some of the English terms are so similar in meaning that I may have translated them to the same thing. I may need to add a digit to one of them. Regards Donaldo -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Sort order in alphabetical index in localized LibreOffice
On 19/06/13 01:30, Eike Rathke wrote: Hi Martin, On Saturday, 2013-06-15 11:17:10 +0200, Martin Srebotnjak wrote: I noticed that in Slovenian LO, will check again and report here, in Slovenian the problem was that special letters č, š and ž get at the end of alphabet (and not č after c, š after s and ž after z). If this is true then maybe sorting for more non-English languages is not working ... Hum.. that should not happen.. sl_SI.xml: IndexKey phonetic=false default=true unoid=alphanumericA-C Č Ć D Đ E-S Š T-Z Ž/IndexKey Just to make sure, we are talking about Writer's index feature here, not general sorting, yes? Eike Yes. It's what you get on the menu in Writer: Insert Indexes and tables Indexes and tables Type = Alphabetical index Donald -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Uploading LO User Guides
Hi, Sophie On 27/05/13 18:11, Sophie Gautier wrote: Hi Donald, On 27/05/2013 01:50, Donald Rogers wrote: Hi everyone Could someone please explain how and where to upload the User Guides ODT and PDF files for languages other than English? How is it that the files athttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications have paths such as this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d8/GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt while the code has: [[Media:GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt|ODT]] ornbsp; ? The documentation using_odfauthors.odt only talks about the English version. I want to know what the localization teams do. You can build a wiki area in your language and place the documentation there. This is what we have done for the FR documentation (see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/fr#Guides_utilisateur_officiels) At the top of most of the pages on the wiki, you have a language code: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation and don't forget to create a Category for your language. Kind regards Sophie Thank you, especially for your comment about creating a category page. I had not done that previously but it is pretty painless to do. The upload just worked, and it sorted out those strange paths automagically. I added three pages based on the relevant EN and FR pages: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/eo https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/eo https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Category:EO When I uploaded the ODT and PDF files I was asked to choose a copyright type. I chose Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/, I presume that is okay? When I uploaded a PDF file the Wiki complained that the file had the same name as the previous ODT file (different extension of course) but I ignored that. Regards Donald -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Uploading LO User Guides
Hi Tom I suggest that the prompt be made more helpful, including that the warning can be ignored if the extensions are different or the user wants to replace the file with a new version. I leave the wording to someone who knows all the ins and outs. Regards Donald On 29/05/13 02:13, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Sorry about the wiki grumbling about using the same name (with different extension). It seemed to work out just fine. I can click on each one and they each open in the right way for their type so neither got over-written. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Donald Rogers donr2...@clear.net.nz *To:* l10n@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 May 2013, 11:01 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Uploading LO User Guides Hi, Sophie Thank you, especially for your comment about creating a category page. I had not done that previously but it is pretty painless to do. The upload just worked, and it sorted out those strange paths automagically. I added three pages based on the relevant EN and FR pages: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/eo https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/eo https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Category:EO When I uploaded the ODT and PDF files I was asked to choose a copyright type. I chose Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/, I presume that is okay? When I uploaded a PDF file the Wiki complained that the file had the same name as the previous ODT file (different extension of course) but I ignored that. Regards Donald -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Uploading LO User Guides
Hi everyone Could someone please explain how and where to upload the User Guides ODT and PDF files for languages other than English? How is it that the files at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications have paths such as this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d8/GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt while the code has: [[Media:GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt|ODT]] ornbsp; ? The documentation using_odfauthors.odt only talks about the English version. I want to know what the localization teams do. Regards Donald -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Sort order in alphabetical index in localized LibreOffice
Hi I removed a previous version and installed LibreOffice version 4.0.2.2 on Linux Ubuntu 10.04 from ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-4-0. I also installed the Esperanto language pack (libreoffice-l10n-eo). The spell checker works for Esperanto. In ordinary tables the sort order (Tools Sort...) works correctly. I am editing a translation of the user guide GS4002-SettingUpLibreOffice.odt. I created an alphabetical index at the end of the document to check that I had translated all the anchors and cross-references. It sorts the entries into a wrong order. The document language is set to Esperanto and the language of the index is set to Esperanto. Here is an extract from the last part of the index. Note that ĝ should go after g, ŝ after s. Why do they, and presumably other accented letters, go between v and x? tiparo anstataŭigoj 13 aspekto 8 historio 8 tondejo 9 vortarojn instali 25 ĝenerale apriora dosiera formato ODF-formato, versio de 21 OpenDocument Format 21 Optimumigi la grandon 21 Ĉiam konservi kiel 21 Apriora dosiera formato kaj ODF-agordoj 21 AŭtomataRiparo 21 Konservi informon pri Aŭtomata Riparo post ĉiu__Minutoj 21 Konservi URL-ojn relative al dosiera sistemo / Interreto 21 Redakti dokumentajn atributojn antaŭ konservado 20 Ĉiam krei restaŭran kopion 21 Ŝargi presilajn agordaĵojn kun la dokumento 20 Ŝargi proprajn agordaĵojn kun la dokumento 20 Ŝargi/Konservi Konservi originan Basic-kodon 22 Microsoft Office-dosierokonvertado 22 Rulebla kodo 22 Tiparaj grandoj 24 VBA-atributoj, ŝargi/konservi 22 Ŝargi Basic-kodon 22 XML-dosieroj Do other languages have this problem? Is it to do with the locale definition? (If so why does it sort ordinary tables correctly?) Regards Donald Rogers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Improving the usage of help.libreoffice.org site
Hi, Tom Thank you for your extensive explanation. Your comments on the Getting Started Guide are very helpful. Our team has never completed the help localization, even in earlier years (OOO) when we had a much bigger team. I doubt that we will ever catch up. 437219 words are a lot of words! I have had another look at the Documentation page of the Wiki and the ODFAuthors page. It is not clear to me whether these relate only to the English documentation, or whether they include the localization of those documents. Localization seems to be not covered. You know those items in the help that look like this? bookmark_valueformatting styles; styles and templates/bookmark_value bookmark_valuestyles; styles and templates/bookmark_value bookmark_valueorganizing; templates (guide)/bookmark_value bookmark_valuetemplates; organizing (guide)/bookmark_value I guess that they are used to construct the help index. Is there any documentation on this? We seem to have to guess how the users might enter index terms. If, instead, we could have a full word search, like Google does, we would not need these bookmark_value elements, and that would save us a heap of time! Regards Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Improving the usage of help.libreoffice.org site
Hi Christian Thank you and Adolfo for your replies. My main point was simply the huge amount of work and that small teams are trying to do. (EO team in my case). Obviously we have to prioritize our tasks. I am trying to get a better feel for what is most important. We have the UI done, but the help is at about 40% done. I have stopped working on it because I found that some of the menus have changed in LO 4.0 and I personally don't want to translate stuff now and have to do it again when the help has been updated for v 4.0. On 18/02/2013, at 1:15 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Donald, On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Donald Rogers donr2...@clear.net.nz wrote: It seems to me that there is a lot of duplication of effort and fragmentation of the help. We have at least the following: LO Help from the Help menu help.libreoffice.org Those are identical. That's the whole point of help.libreoffice.org That's good. (I mostly use the menu help) wiki.documentfoundation.org this is more developer / active contributer oriented and less for endusers, although stuff is published there. But there's another discussion (or actually in this thread, I lost track) about not abusing wiki to publish large files, etc. the guides FAQ How can these be extra points when these are hosted on the mentioned sites? They all add to the work that could be done. ask.libreoffice.org A user-helps-user platform, no static documentation, but answeres/solutions for specific problems. You cannot cover every cornercase in regular documentation. accessibility info features See above, not really belong here as separate points, as they are found on sites. Otherwise you could just make separate bulletpoints for whetever you like. But the new-features page surely is also a marketing tool. installation instructions Nobody reads those anyway :-) But what is wrong with having those? I am not saying there is anything wrong with having them. They have to be accessible before installing LO, so obviously aren't part of the menu help. mailing lists similar to ask.libreoffice.org, but most mailinglists are for coordination of active contributors. And while ask.libreoffice.org is fine for easy problems, more complex ones are better off on the maiing list. Nabble That's just an interface to the mailinglists. Not everybody likes using their mailclient. And you forgot gmane/newsgroup interface, that also is an additional way to access/participate in the mailing lists. IRC (near) real-time discussion - so again a different scope, useful for different stuff than the other ways to get help. You did happily mix passive sources of information with interactive stuff... Each has a separate focus, as I see it. The guides are very good but to localize them requires not just translation and adaption, but also all the screen shots and other pictures need to be redone for each language. This would be a huge task. There are no guides yet for version 4.0. I just checked. EN has guides for 3.4, 3.5, 3.6 or 4.0, and ID has the full set of about 80 documents for LO 3.3, 3.4 or 3.5. FR has 36 (by my count) for LO 3.5 or 3.6. All other languages apparently have none. (I looked on wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/fr and equivalent pages.) The principles of usage are the same, so no big deal really... And whether you do the screen shots or not is also a matter of taste... But doing screenshots of dialogs is getting easier and easier thanks to the gladification of the UI. What is gladification? If we are to continue to have both the Help menu help and help.libreoffice.org help, can someone write some code to generate the help.libreoffice.org help from the same .po files that are used for the Help menu help? That was already answered help.libreoffice.org is what is in the help-module. What sort of help is meant to be in the wiki? See above. I see it mainly as a source for information for active contributors/developers, less so for the enduser. Is there any possible synergy between the FAQ and ask.libreoffice.org? Are they to be localized too? well, apart from people monitoring what kind of questions get asked the most on ask.libreoffice.org, there is no synergy. Questions are too widespread/too special in most cases. LO apparently doesn't have the people power to keep even the English helps up to date, let alone all the other languages. Some of the localization teams are very small and can't keep up with even one of the help systems. Please explain / give an example what you are talking about here. I hate statements like that. LO is about to publish version 4.0.1 but we have not yet finished the help for 4.0.0. The Wiki is easier to work with than the CMS. What CMS please. There are tons of them. I refered to the Silverstripe CMS that we use in xx.libreoffice.org. This is not an important point, and I am
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Improving the usage of help.libreoffice.org site
It seems to me that there is a lot of duplication of effort and fragmentation of the help. We have at least the following: LO Help from the Help menu help.libreoffice.org wiki.documentfoundation.org the guides FAQ ask.libreoffice.org accessibility info features installation instructions mailing lists Nabble IRC The guides are very good but to localize them requires not just translation and adaption, but also all the screen shots and other pictures need to be redone for each language. This would be a huge task. There are no guides yet for version 4.0. If we are to continue to have both the Help menu help and help.libreoffice.org help, can someone write some code to generate the help.libreoffice.org help from the same .po files that are used for the Help menu help? What sort of help is meant to be in the wiki? Is there any possible synergy between the FAQ and ask.libreoffice.org? Are they to be localized too? Short extract from Zeki's email: Then one can start talking about other kinds of help etc. As i said, we shouldn't separate them or put them in order. Help is needed an it is served in multiple ways, the problem is awareness and promoting people to use them in any way which suits their needs. ...we all know that LibreOffice has a restricted manpower and other critical priorities. This kind of implementation may never come into life,... LO apparently doesn't have the people power to keep even the English helps up to date, let alone all the other languages. Some of the localization teams are very small and can't keep up with even one of the help systems. The Wiki is easier to work with than the CMS. Up 'til now I have mainly used the Help menu help, and the separate sources for installation etc. Regards Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Insert button in Insert Table dlg
Hi The Insert button is in English in the Esperanto interface of RC2. Martin is right about the shortcut keys for OSX. Regards Donald On 28/01/2013, at 5:18 AM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote: Hi, I have it translated. But I noticed something else, not regarding translation - that the Fx shortcuts are all wrong in OSX menus (for Insert Table it says cmd-signF12, but it should be Fn-signcmd-signF12). BTW, I am not using Pootle. Lp, m. 2013/1/27 Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com: Hi all, I found another string still in English (4.0RC2) in the Insert Table dialog (Ctrl+F12). The Insert button is in English. Do you get it too ? Kind regards Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org Tel:+33683901545 Membership Certification Committee Member - Co-founder The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Some locales miss localization for Extension Manager
Hi, Minkel You are correct: the Esperanto version is affected as you described. Donald On 16/01/2013, at 7:41 AM, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote: Hi all, I filed a bug for partly missing localization for Extension Manager with some locales: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59433 Could you confirm this problem (on RC 1), and possibly add more affected/unaffected languages there? Best regards, Mihkel Estonian team -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Are download and upload symmetrical in Pootal?
On 31/12/2012, at 3:09 PM, Donald Rogers wrote: I wanted to edit some of the po files in the top level of help (e.g. auxilliary.po), so I downloaded the file libo_help-eo from the libo_help page. I extracted, edited, rearchived the files, and uploaded them to the same page. Instead of merging the files back it has created a whole new branch called libo_help-eo. What should I do now? Is there a facility in the new version of Pootal to upload individual po files? Regards Donaldo Okay. I found where to upload individual files, and I uploaded the three files I had edited. That's fixed. Now, how to delete the unwanted libo_help-eo ? When I go into the folder of that name should I click on Delete this folder...? (Just checking before I hit it). Donaldo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Are download and upload symmetrical in Pootal?
I wanted to edit some of the po files in the top level of help (e.g. auxilliary.po), so I downloaded the file libo_help-eo from the libo_help page. I extracted, edited, rearchived the files, and uploaded them to the same page. Instead of merging the files back it has created a whole new branch called libo_help-eo. What should I do now? Is there a facility in the new version of Pootal to upload individual po files? Regards Donaldo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LO 3.6
Use Pootle to search for SC_OPCODE_BITOR or the other one in the location field (drop list on search field). Donald On 18/06/2012, at 8:42 PM, Dimitris Spingos wrote: SC_OPCODE_BITOR -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation errors before 3.6.0 beta2
On 18/06/2012, at 7:20 AM, Andras Timar wrote: Hi, I'd like to update translations in git tomorrow for the 3.6.0 beta2 release. Please find the error logs at http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/errorlog/ Please correct errors in Pootle, especially the fatal errors. Done for EO Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Website maintainers
On 23/05/2012, at 8:17 PM, Andras Timar wrote: 2012.05.23. 0:49 keltezéssel, Donald Rogers írta: On 22/05/2012, at 8:36 PM, Sophie Gautier wrote: Hi all, Please, fill the table of website maintainers with your name on this page or ask your website team to do it. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Web_Sites_services#General Thanks in advance for your help. Kind regards Sophie Which signon does one need for this? I have a sign-on for translations.documentfoundation.org and one for eo.libreoffice.org/admin. How many more does one need? At least one more: for the Wiki. :) However, if you don't want to register, I can put your details there. Best regards, Andras I have created an account for the Wiki and edited the form. Thanks for your help. Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Website maintainers
On 22/05/2012, at 8:36 PM, Sophie Gautier wrote: Hi all, Please, fill the table of website maintainers with your name on this page or ask your website team to do it. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Web_Sites_services#General Thanks in advance for your help. Kind regards Sophie Which signon does one need for this? I have a sign-on for translations.documentfoundation.org and one for eo.libreoffice.org/admin. How many more does one need? Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Terminology
Could someone generate a new terminology file (eo.po) for Esperanto, please? The present one contains some errors, including words which Search does not find anywhere. Donald Rogers -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation bugs to fix for LibreOffice 3.5.4
On 14/05/12 08:42, Andras Timar wrote: Hi, Please fix bugs in Pootle. http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/errorlog/ Thanks, Andras Hi, Andras Bug fixed in Pootle for eo. Regards Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Esperanto translation team administration
Hi, Rimas et al I have been the main person working on the Esperanto translation in the last three months. The team's contact person, Michael Moroni, has not responded to my emails, so would you please give me publish and admin privileges so that I can edit the eo.libreoffice.org pages and administer the Pootle files (username donaldo in both)? I am recruiting another translator (maybe two) for the team. Regards Donald Rogers -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Strings still in English
On 5/01/2012, at 8:13 AM, Andras Timar wrote: 2012/1/4 Donald Rogers donr2...@clear.net.nz: On 1/01/2012, at 8:58 AM, Donald Rogers wrote: Hi I am testing in LO beta2 on Mac, using the Esperanto modules. When I choose the (Equivalent of) the File menu, then Save as... I get the dialog box Save title untranslated with the field labels Save as and Where untranslated. Is this a known bug? The other strings, the ones in the inner box, File Type: etc, are translated. The same sort of thing happens on the Export dialog box. Also on the Open dialog box, the title Open, New Folder and Cancel are untranslated. On the Print box: Print, Printer, Presets, Preview, Cancel, Print are untranslated. On the Print box that appears after you select Print, also. On Edit/Compare documents, Insert box: New Folder, Cancel are untranslated. Donald Has anyone checked to see if this happens in other languages? Those strings are coming from the system, not from LibreOffice. Does that mean that we can't do anything about it? Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translate: Knbn
On 3/01/2012, at 7:46 PM, Andras Timar wrote: Hi Donald, 2012/1/3 Donald Rogers donr2...@clear.net.nz: On 3/01/2012, at 7:11 AM, Nguyễn Vũ Hưng wrote: Hello all, Please anyone tell me how to translate Knbn in LO? It appears here: https://translations.documentfoundation.org/vi/libo35x_ui/sfx2/source/translate.html?unitstates=fuzzy,untranslated Hi I would be interested to read an expert's answer on what is going on here. Sometimes it seems that the msgstr is pre-filled with a lot of random junk. In this case: #-#-#-#-# index.po (PACKAGE VERSION) #-#-#-#-#\n Tùy chọn\n #-#-#-#-# chrdlg.po (PACKAGE VERSION) #-#-#-#-#\n Tùy chọn\n etc etc I interpreted this sort of thing as rubbish, deleted it all, and replaced it with the translation of the word Options. I compared it with what has been done in the French translation, and that is what they have done too. It is not rubbish, it tells the translator in its imperfect way that the word Options was translated as Tùy chọn in index,po, as Tùy chọn chrdlg.po etc. Somewhere below there will be a different translation, this is why the pomigrate2 tool lists all occurrences. Translator can decide what the correct translation is, and replace the list with the correct translation. Best regards, Andras Thanks, Andras. I hoped there was a logical explanation, but it never occurred to me that it was useful stuff. Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Online update service + localized download URLs
On 3/01/2012, at 10:42 AM, Jan Holesovsky wrote: ... Please - can you fill in the following form for your language, and send back to me? Language: [lang code, like 'en', 'fr', 'de', ...] Download page: [equivalent of http://www.libreoffice.org/download/] Pre-release download page: [equivalent of http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/] [example for German language: Language: de Download page: http://de.libreoffice.org/download/ Pre-release download page: http://de.libreoffice.org/download/testversionen/ ]... Language: eo Download page: http://eo.libreoffice.org/elsxuti/ Pre-release download page: we don't seem to have a page for this. I just downloaded the beta versions from ...pre-releases (above). Is there some procedure we have to go through to get this type of page? Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Strings still in English
Hi I am testing in LO beta2 on Mac, using the Esperanto modules. When I choose the (Equivalent of) the File menu, then Save as... I get the dialog box Save title untranslated with the field labels Save as and Where untranslated. Is this a known bug? The other strings, the ones in the inner box, File Type: etc, are translated. The same sort of thing happens on the Export dialog box. Also on the Open dialog box, the title Open, New Folder and Cancel are untranslated. On the Print box: Print, Printer, Presets, Preview, Cancel, Print are untranslated. On the Print box that appears after you select Print, also. On Edit/Compare documents, Insert box: New Folder, Cancel are untranslated. Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Re: Digest of l10n@global.libreoffice.org issue 393 (3731-3732)
On 30/12/2011, at 10:00 PM, l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org wrote: Topics (messages 3731 through 3732): [libreoffice-l10n] KeyID 9vn1 and friends not found in Pootle / pot file 3731 - Korrawit Pruegsanusak detective.conan.1...@gmail.com [libreoffice-l10n] l10n bugs to fix for LibreOffice 3.5.0 beta3 3732 - F Wolff frie...@translate.org.za From: Korrawit Pruegsanusak detective.conan.1...@gmail.com Date: 30 December 2011 5:22:17 AM NZDT To: l10n@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] KeyID 9vn1 and friends not found in Pootle / pot file Reply-To: l10n@global.libreoffice.org Hello Andras, On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 04:28, Andras Timar tima...@gmail.com wrote: Common context menu items often come from svx/inc.po. Sorry for my late reply. Anyway, thank you! Best Regards, -- Korrawit Pruegsanusak -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted From: F Wolff frie...@translate.org.za Date: 30 December 2011 9:35:17 PM NZDT To: l10n@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n bugs to fix for LibreOffice 3.5.0 beta3 Reply-To: l10n@global.libreoffice.org Op Di, 2011-12-20 om 09:27 +1300 skryf Donald Rogers: Fatal errors for eo fixed. In the reviews what does this mean: acronyms ... failed? Hallo Donald It is a test that tries to warn of changed acronyms. It doesn't necessarily indicate a problem, but might be worth reviewing. More details here: http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/pofilter_tests#acronyms There are descriptions for all the quality checks. I hope that helps. Keep well Friedel Thanks for that information. There does not seem to be a link to that page from http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/index so I hadn't seen it 'till now. Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n bugs to fix for LibreOffice 3.5.0 beta3
On 20/12/2011, at 2:59 AM, Andras Timar wrote: Hi, Today I exported updated po files from Pootle and pushed them to git to the translations module. The next push will take place three weeks from, for LibreOffice 3.5.0 beta3. Meanwhile, could you all please fix bugs in your translations? :) Fatal errors: de eo eu fi nl pt pt-BR tr vi I corrected them in git as I could, but please correct them in Pootle, too. Non-fatal errors: bg cs da de en-GB eo eu fi ne nl pl pt-BR pt ru sk tr vi Log files (from all tools) and error files (from gsicheck tool): http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/errorlog/ Hi Would it be possible to generate these log and err files in utf-8? At present they stuff up the Unicode characters. For instance, in http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/errorlog/eo.err: vidigi la alÅutitan vikipaÄon should be vidigi la alŝutitan vikipaĝon Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n bugs to fix for LibreOffice 3.5.0 beta3
On 29/12/2011, at 9:17 AM, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote: Hi, 2011/12/28 Donald Rogers donr2...@clear.net.nz On 20/12/2011, at 2:59 AM, Andras Timar wrote: Hi, Today I exported updated po files from Pootle and pushed them to git to the translations module. The next push will take place three weeks from, for LibreOffice 3.5.0 beta3. Meanwhile, could you all please fix bugs in your translations? :) Fatal errors: de eo eu fi nl pt pt-BR tr vi I corrected them in git as I could, but please correct them in Pootle, too. Non-fatal errors: bg cs da de en-GB eo eu fi ne nl pl pt-BR pt ru sk tr vi Log files (from all tools) and error files (from gsicheck tool): http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/errorlog/ Hi Would it be possible to generate these log and err files in utf-8? At present they stuff up the Unicode characters. For instance, in http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/errorlog/eo.err: vidigi la alÅ utitan vikipaÄ on should be vidigi la alŝutitan vikipaĝon It’s shown correctly here. Your browser/text-editor probably chooses the wrong encoding -- I got the result you described when I manually set the encoding to ISO 8859-1 (i.e. Western European), UTF-8 displayed everything fine. Thanks, Mihkel and Christian. I should have thought of that. Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] compound strings
On 29/12/2011, at 2:52 PM, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote: Hi Milos, Martin, *, 2011/12/29 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net: 2011/12/28 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net 2011/12/28 Milos Sramek sramek.mi...@gmail.com Hi, I have in the new Header/Footer feature of 3.5 for the first time noticed compound strings consisting of two separately translated strings. For example, Format Header is composed of strings Format (KeyId _XDs) and Header (b4n3). Slovak (and other languages) have cases - the Header word must be in the accusative case here. Are we sure that the b4n3 Header string is used only in such context and not in other, where for example, the nominative case should be used? I would prefer to not to compound strings of other strings. What do you think about that? Can we send this message to the developers? Hi, I haven't noticed that, this should be marked, explained in notes, if sdf had those... Will check, but why is this not a single string? Does that mean that also Format Footer is formed from two strings? This is unacceptable and anglo-saxon-centric, really does not work well for other languages. OMG, now I saw it, this is horrible - each context menu command must be a separate string, you cannot format context menu commands in the same manner for 100+ languages! Thanks, Milos, for noticing this. See also this thread: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/msg03406.html I agree that composing strings in such a manner is not okay, and should it become a habit with the devs, it's a disaster waiting to strike. Another such case: 7yKt + btRK = Insert + Rows 7yKt + xGzB = Insert + Columns (make a table in Writer, right-click in it, choose Row - Insert or Column - Insert, and behold the dialog title.) I'm not sure if there are more. Yes, the same happens in the Esperanto version. It does not even put a space between the two words, and the case of the second is wrong (naturally). On the other hand, is this a mechanism for developers to save us lots of work, retranslating the same strings over and over, e.g. OK, Cancel? Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
On 18/12/2011, at 12:55 AM, Sérgio Marques wrote: One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators. If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear on the search. This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must have for search function. What do You guys think about it? I think this is already filed as http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 ? Hi Rimas Yes, I´ve already saw this entry but I think that it´s the opposite. The title says Ensure that searching in Pootle *takes accelerators into account *(my bold) With this title I guess (don´t know for sure) that the accelerator must be taken in order to achieve results. What I meant was Ensure that searching in Pootle *don´t* take accelerators into account So when I write Open, O~pen; Op~en and Ope~n appear in search. Or am I getting this the wrong way? -- Sérgio Marques Hello pogrep has an option to cope with accelerators, so it should be possible to use that switch in Pootle search too. takes accelerators into account probably means use the pogrep switch for accelerators, which does what you want. It does sound ambiguous, I agree. You could try using pogrep directly, as proposed by Olav Dahlum (2011-12-17) in this thread. I tried it and it is useful. Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
Thanks, Andras You said in the bug page (below): It happens when you use LibreOffice in other language than your system locale. I always have that situation, and probably most Esperanto speakers would have another language that they use. I don't understand what you mean by select the KeyID language I don't know what po-file the strings mentioned are in, so I don't know the KeyID. In the drop down list of the search field in Pootle there is an option Locations. Is that where to put (a) known KeyID(s)? On the matter of searching for a particular string, I found that searching for Open... is problematic because the search program trims the dots off and one cannot specify entire words only, so I got openoffice, OpenGL etc - too many hits. Where is the place to propose an enhancement of this type? Do you think that it would be useful? Regards Donald On 16/12/2011, at 10:07 PM, Andras Timar wrote: Hi Donald, 2011/12/16 Donald Rogers donr2...@clear.net.nz: Saluton When LO starts up there is a splash screen with Libreoffice 3 The Document Foundation and a progress worm, and then another splash screen with Libreoffice 3 The Document Foundation Text DocumentDrawing... etc, finishing with Open...Templates... Is there any documentation on how to find where these strings are in the UI po files? In the Esperanto version of 3.5.0 beta, the strings Open... Templates... are untranslated, and I have not succeeded in finding them. I used Pootle to search every instance in UI of Templates and failed to find any that are untranslated. In general, you can select the KeyID language, read the KeyID and look for that KeyID in Pootle, but in this particular case it wull not work, because of https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=43475 So, it is a known bug. You probably have those strings translated in Pootle. Best regards, Andras -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
Saluton When LO starts up there is a splash screen with Libreoffice 3 The Document Foundation and a progress worm, and then another splash screen with Libreoffice 3 The Document Foundation Text DocumentDrawing... etc, finishing with Open...Templates... Is there any documentation on how to find where these strings are in the UI po files? In the Esperanto version of 3.5.0 beta, the strings Open... Templates... are untranslated, and I have not succeeded in finding them. I used Pootle to search every instance in UI of Templates and failed to find any that are untranslated. Thanks Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] The translation of Sheet1
Hi I have read the wiki page on Translation for 3.5: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translation_for_3.5 What happens as the bug fixes to code are made and there may be changes to UI strings? Do they put the new strings into PO files and update the ones in LO 3.5.x in each language area? Where to we translators work during the release process? How do we know when there is work to do on the release? Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
