Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fakes

[Milos Sramek]

Hi Ilmari,

thank you for the link.

I can see that you have changed "label from Fakes to Simulated captions".

That makes sense, thank you

Let's wait for Webate update

Best

Milos




On 29.08.23 11:28, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 29.8.2023 9.43, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

I would call it "imitation" or "simulated"/"simulation", it just
imitates/simulates the "proper" numbering.

In the days of OOo every new feature needed first a confirmed design
document where even the UI-mock-up was presented.
Now we just code - and take care of the UI-repercussions later.

And as Miloš wrote, it doesn't work for me (macOS 7.6.0.1), while others
do. It is a "fake" check :)

Lp, m.

V V tor., 29. avg. 2023 ob 07:17 je oseba Yury Tarasievich <
yury.tarasiev...@gmail.com> napisala:


That kind of use of the word feels singularly
inappropriate in the modernworld.
Likely to cause confusion, even indignation.

I mean, how come your program calls my manual
numbering 'fake'?? It is 'unautomated'
numbering, certainly, but 'fake'?

Isn't this taking a bit too much on ourselves?

On 28/08/2023 18:44, Milos Sramek wrote:



https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/swriter/01/accessibility_check.html 



Sorry, I quoted the help page incorrectly. The help page does not 
currently mention that there is a check for simulated *captions*.


I have submitted a change to the string:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/156238

See the code for the checking logic:
https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/source/core/access/AccessibilityCheck.cxx?r=8386d8e5#978 



To see the string in the UI, open the accessibility sidebar panel.
Type text that starts with Caption, Illustration, Table, Text, Drawing 
or Figure

Immediately insert an image.

Now you should see "Fakes" in the sidebar (without my patch).

The check also works, if the image is anchored to the paragraph with 
the text.


Ilmari



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fakes

[Milos Sramek]

Hi Ilmari,
thank you for the hint, I did not know about such tool.

I've tested it and it does not work as you write. If I manually add 
numbered paragraphs, I get there a "Numbering" issue, not "Fakes" issue. 
So I tried to add an unordered list using "-" hoping to get "Fakes", but 
I did not get any issue.


"Fakes", however, is a possibility in a11ycheckissuespanel.ui, so there 
must be a different reason - perhaps one should check directly the LO 
code to see.


Maybe that this feature is unfinished yet and it will improve later

best
Milos

On 25.08.23 14:08, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 25.8.2023 15.03, Milos Sramek wrote:

Hi,

does anybody know what is "Fakes" and where to find it in the GUI?

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?page=2=100=+source%3A%3DFakes+_by=-priority%2Cposition 



Accessibility checker: 
https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/uiconfig/swriter/ui/a11ycheckissuespanel.ui?r=40725c05#216


https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/swriter/01/accessibility_check.html 



'Check for fake/manual numbering (not using integrated numbering). For 
example writing "1." "2." "3." at the beginning of the paragraphs.'


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[libreoffice-l10n] Fakes

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

does anybody know what is "Fakes" and where to find it in the GUI?

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?page=2=100=+source%3A%3DFakes+_by=-priority%2Cposition

Thanks

Milos


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[libreoffice-l10n] View help locally

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

I would like to ask if there is a possibility to view the LO help 
locally using a local copy of its po files, eventually with message key-id.


It would help me in help translation

Cheers

Milos

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Will changing keyword translations break existing documents?

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
a good question. We do not translate Calc function names to Slovak, but 
one of them (OR->ALEBO) is translated. I do not know if I can fix that 
without consequences.

Milos


On 28.09.22 15:01, Tuomas Hietala wrote:

Hello,

There's an error I'd like to fix in Finnish translation of one of the 
strings in librelogo/source/pythonpath. It seems to be one of the 
LibreLogo keywords. Here's the link if you're interested: 
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/librelogosourcepythonpath/fi/?checksum=ecc96ea232c9cc71


However, I wonder if changing the translation will break any existing 
documents that use that keyword. Is there a locale-independent 
representation in the file format that is decoupled from the UI 
translations?


I'm also interested in hearing what's the situation with regard to 
other kinds of keywords, such as function names in Calc.


Best regards,
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[libreoffice-l10n] Support for a new feature in weblate

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

would it be possible to somehow support development of a new feature in 
weblate by the TDF?


Specifically, this one: https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/4368

When translating, I usually use Automatic suggestions. These are sorted 
by similarity. If similarity is higher than 90%, a string is usually 
usable, but I still need to know where the difference is. It would be 
great if these differences were highlighted. Currently I have to compare 
the English string and source of the suggestion visually, which is quite 
cumbersome and slow.


Milos


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] PRODUCTNAME

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
thank you for your explanation. I thought that these placeholders are 
resolved at build time.


There are still hundreds of %PRODUCTNAME in the strings. Will all of 
them be replaced?

Milos


On 30.03.22 15:58, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 3:47 PM Milos Sramek  wrote:

as far as I can see, the majority of the current changes,

well "current" is relative - those are from January...


which force us
to translate already translated strings again are of this type:

Specifies that *%PRODUCTNAME* saves ...

is relaced by

Specifies that *the **office**suite* saves ...

Does anybody know why were these changes necessary?

Underlying issue was with replacing it with the actual value..
* it didn't work/wasn't implemented for accessibility descriptors
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142704
* a fix to replace it at runtime had too big of a performance impact
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146971
→ so it was renamed to generic terms as a workaround-like solution
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/q/%2522+Related:+tdf%2523146971%2522

ciao
Christian



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[libreoffice-l10n] PRODUCTNAME

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

as far as I can see, the majority of the current changes, which force us 
to translate already translated strings again are of this type:


Specifies that *%PRODUCTNAME* saves ...

is relaced by

Specifies that *the **office**suite* saves ...

Does anybody know why were these changes necessary?

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] No longer possible to overwrite translated strings using wlc?

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

the upgrade helped, it works now using curl.

thanks
Milos

On 09.09.21 17:03, sophi wrote:

Hi Milos,
Le 28/08/2021 à 22:02, Milos Sramek a écrit :

Hi Mikhel,

I can confirm - I've tested it by changing translation of one string,
but it was refused.

I do not use wlc, I use curl. This is the result message

Result:
{"not_found":0,"skipped":3613,"accepted":0,"total":3613,"result":false,"count":3613}

Here, accepted:0 indicates that the translation was rejected.

A successful  upload of a new translation looks like this:
Result:
{"not_found":0,"skipped":197,"accepted":1,"total":318,"result":true,"count":318}


I think this is a major bug

Could you send me the script you are using, Christian is currently
debugging it and that would help a lot. Thanks in advance,

Cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] No longer possible to overwrite translated strings using wlc?

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
the requested script potrans.py is available on Github:
https://github.com/milossramek/translation-scripts/tree/master/weblate 
(with documentation)

To use it:
1. one needs weblate credentials:
https://github.com/milossramek/translation-scripts/tree/master/weblate#switches

2. then, one has to download translations:
|potrans.py -p ui download|
|
|
|3. Then it is necessary to change at leass one string in the downloaded
files by a common editor|
|
|
|4. One can check, what has changed:|

|modified files:|
||potrans.py -p ui modified|
|

|differences:|
||potrans.py -p ui diff||
||
||
||5. upload the changes|
|
||
|||potrans.py -p ui up|||
|||
|||
|||As stated below, the problem is that the number of accepted
translations is 0|||
|||
|||
|||Milos
|||


On 9/9/21 5:03 PM, sophi wrote:
> Hi Milos,
> Le 28/08/2021 à 22:02, Milos Sramek a écrit :
>> Hi Mikhel,
>>
>> I can confirm - I've tested it by changing translation of one string,
>> but it was refused.
>>
>> I do not use wlc, I use curl. This is the result message
>>
>> Result:
>> {"not_found":0,"skipped":3613,"accepted":0,"total":3613,"result":false,"count":3613}
>>
>> Here, accepted:0 indicates that the translation was rejected.
>>
>> A successful  upload of a new translation looks like this:
>> Result:
>> {"not_found":0,"skipped":197,"accepted":1,"total":318,"result":true,"count":318}
>>
>>
>> I think this is a major bug
> Could you send me the script you are using, Christian is currently
> debugging it and that would help a lot. Thanks in advance,
>
> Cheers
> Sophie
>

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] No longer possible to overwrite translated strings using wlc?

[Milos Sramek]

Hi Mikhel,

I can confirm - I've tested it by changing translation of one string,
but it was refused.

I do not use wlc, I use curl. This is the result message

Result:
{"not_found":0,"skipped":3613,"accepted":0,"total":3613,"result":false,"count":3613}

Here, accepted:0 indicates that the translation was rejected.

A successful  upload of a new translation looks like this:
Result:
{"not_found":0,"skipped":197,"accepted":1,"total":318,"result":true,"count":318}


I think this is a major bug

Milos


On 8/28/21 4:41 PM, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am translating offline (using Lokalize) and have a script to sync my work
> to Weblate. During my latest "translation sprint" before the release of
> 7.2, I realised to my annoyance that the uploaded files no longer overwrite
> existing translations in case of conflicts. Meaning, if I fix a typo or
> otherwise change a string that's been translated before, it no longer gets
> updated to Weblate, unless I manually upload the file. The script uses wlc
> to upload, basically like this:
> wlc upload --overwrite --input "$local_file.po"
> "$weblate_project/$weblate_component/$language"
> Strings that are untranslated or fuzzy on Weblate get updated as expected.
>
> I tried also to specify "--method translate" [1], but this made no
> difference (and I've never needed that before).
> Just in case, tried with "--method replace" as well, which gave me: "Error:
> You do not have permission to perform this action." Looking at [1], I think
> that's to be expected.
>
> I'm not sure when was the last time it worked -- definitely before 7.1 was
> released. Has something changed in the Weblate config/permissions since
> then?
> Is anyone else using wlc and can confirm this?
>
> [1] https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/user/files.html#import-methods
>
> Thanks,
> Mihkel
> Estonian translator
>

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Bulk translation of new " stock" strings

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
I have translated these off-line using the potrans.py script available
at https://github.com/milossramek/translation-scripts (the weblate
subdirectory), it took maybe 20 minutes (500 strings)

the workflow:
1. get the script and configure your environment (described in
documentation)
2. download translation files to a local repository: "./potrans.py -p ui
download"
3. export untranslated to csv: "./potrans.py -p ui -u export >
untranslated.csv"  (without the -u switch all strings are exported)
4. translate the csv in libreoffice, save as translated.csv (sort the
table according the column Source, translation of numerous identical
strings is then very fast. Not all string need be translated this way)
5. import to the local repository: "./potrans.py -p ui -c translated.csv
import"
5a. Check what has changed in the repository: "./potrans.py -p ui diff"
6. upload to the server "./potrans.py -p ui upload"
 
I am currently its only user and I would appreciate your comments :), thanks
Milos

On 1/23/21 12:44 AM, Olivier Hallot wrote:
> Hi
>
> 1) The recent additions of LibreOffice UI has some "stock" strings
> repeated in many files. For example
>
> https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/dbaccessmessages/pt_BR/?q=state:%3Ctranslated
>
> _Add
> _Cancel
> _Delete
> _OK
> ...
> Up to 13 new strings like these above.
>
> Is there a way to apply a translated string to all occurrences of these
> "stock" strings in the many weblate projects?
>
> So far I had to go one by one and it is dull.
>
> 2) even adding a translation to say, "_Yes", my translated string is not
> offered in the memory translation for the next occurrence of "_Yes".
>
> TM does not seem record new translations recently (for the given stock
> strings)
>
> Thanks


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[libreoffice-l10n] Rendering of translated LO dialogs

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

one problem of using such tools as Weblate is that only limited
information about context is available.

I have written two scripts which may help, they are available here:
https://github.com/milossramek/translation-scripts/tree/master/weblate:

potrans.py enables easy to use local translation of LO po files
(download and upload of files from/to Weblate, import of translations
from csv files)

diagtrans.py renders translated dialogs

Their documentation is quite long, I  will be glad to answer your questions.

The scripts were developed in a Linux environment, they probably do not
run on Windows. If somebody helps here...

Enjoy

Milos



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Untranslated buttons

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
thank you, this was the reason.

I do not use localized Desktop. To test, I've installed Slovak Desktop
localization, to see if another user using localized Desktop can see the
LO buttons translated correctly - yes, he can.

Now the LO buttons are correctly translated even though I still have
desktop in English.

So, installation of Desktop translation to Slovak solved the problem.

Thanks again,
Milos

On 10/1/20 8:31 AM, Y.Sol.lei wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As I correctly understood, these buttons seem untranslated in the
> "Windows" group of systems, so the buttons are similar to those
> present in a system.
> I haven't seen such a problem in Linux.
>
> ср, 30 вер. 2020 о 21:00 Milos Sramek  <mailto:sramek.mi...@gmail.com>> пише:
>
> Hi,
>
> Some buttons in dialogs, namely Revert, Apply, Cancel, Help (maybe
> others) are not translated. These 4 are for example in the Tools >
> Options dialogs, but also in many other.
>
> In some dialogs  Reset (e.g. in Tools > Modify) is translated.
>
> This problem has a quite long history (LO 6.4)
>
> Is it a known bug? Or, should I report it in Bugzilla?
>
> Milos
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[libreoffice-l10n] Untranslated buttons

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

Some buttons in dialogs, namely Revert, Apply, Cancel, Help (maybe
others) are not translated. These 4 are for example in the Tools >
Options dialogs, but also in many other.

In some dialogs  Reset (e.g. in Tools > Modify) is translated.

This problem has a quite long history (LO 6.4)

Is it a known bug? Or, should I report it in Bugzilla?

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[libreoffice-l10n] transfer of extended tooltips

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

In order to check correctness of translation of the extended tooltips it
would be nice to have a list of dialogs for which the tooltips have
already been transferred.

Now, if I want to check correctness of the translations, I just randomly
select a dialog to see if it has tooltips. I would like to do that in a
systematic way - a list might help here.

What would help even more is to display a dialog with translated strings
in glade. Is that possible? If yes, how to do that?

thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Large increase in translation strings

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
yes, we poor guys who do not have Help translated get now hundreds of
untranslated strings.

To translate them I use the ImTranslator extension (on firefox, but I
think is available also for Chrome):
https://about.imtranslator.net/add-ons/add-on-for-firefox/

It speeds up translation significantly


Milos



On 8/28/20 3:46 PM, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote:
> Hi Rhoslyn,
>
> Rhoslyn Prys () kirjutas 28.08.2020 kell 15:05:
>
>> I've logged into Weblate this morning and found that there is a huge
>> number of translations requested for the Welsh translation. It looks
>> something like 34,000+ words. We were at 100% for LibreOffice 7.
>>
>> Is this correct? Thanks.
>>
> The bulk of them should be the extended help tips, which are in the process
> of being copied from Help into UI.
> As Help hasn't been translated into Welsh, then previously these tips would
> have been shown to users in English.
>
> Best regards,
> Mihkel
> Estonian team
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation of extended tooltips

[Milos Sramek]

But where in github?
Milos

On 8/18/20 5:20 PM, sophi wrote:
> Hi Milos,
> Le 18/08/2020 à 16:35, Milos Sramek a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> maybe that you have already noticed - strings of extended tooltips
>> started to appear in the UI strings, there are currently 170 of them.
>> Originally, they were a part of the help files, where they were marked
>> by the  tag. There are currently 6000+ extended tooltips there.
>>
>> This means that their translations need to to be transferred from the
>> help files to the UI files (I exclude the option to translate them again).
>>
>> Maybe the developers will solve this somehow.
> Olivier and Christian were looking at it, yes.
>> Meanwhile I have written a script etiptrans.py which can do that. Its
>> usage is as simple as this 4 commands
> Thanks a lot for your work!
> Could you upload the script to github or the pastebin you prefer so they
> can have a look at it?
> Thanks again,
> Cheers
> Sophie


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[libreoffice-l10n] Translation of extended tooltips

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

maybe that you have already noticed - strings of extended tooltips
started to appear in the UI strings, there are currently 170 of them.
Originally, they were a part of the help files, where they were marked
by the  tag. There are currently 6000+ extended tooltips there.

This means that their translations need to to be transferred from the
help files to the UI files (I exclude the option to translate them again).

Maybe the developers will solve this somehow.

Meanwhile I have written a script etiptrans.py which can do that. Its
usage is as simple as this 4 commands

    etiptrans.py -p ui -l sk download

    etiptrans.py -p help -l sk download

    etiptrans.py -p ui -l sk transfer

    etiptrans.py -p ui -l sk upload

The required access key is taken from an environment variable. It runs
in Linux environment, I think that the Windows 10 Linux environment is
also OK.

The script can do a little more, like checking which files were modified
or what has been changed. It can also transfer  tips from UI to help -
if you already have translated them in UI, but they are not translated
in help. If you want to translate locally (by poedit or so), the script
can help in downloading and uploading files.

It can be used individually for each language by individual translators,
but perhaps also for all languages by somebody who has the required rights.

Do we have a place where to put it, so that anybody can download it?. It
is finished, but needs more testing.  I have to write some documentation


best

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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Unclear new strings to translate

[Milos Sramek]

Thank you Mike,
its clear now, I will try to translate the strings in a similar cryptic way.

For the others: The inspector does not display correctly yet (in the dev
version), this is how it should look like: https://imgur.com/xu2Wvh2
Milos


On 8/12/20 11:50 AM, Mike Kaganski wrote:
> On 12.08.2020 11:46, Milos Sramek wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I've checked the code. These strings are defined in file
>> ./sw/inc/inspectorproperties.hrc:
>>
>> #define NC_(Context, String) reinterpret_cast(Context
>> "\004" u8##String)
>>
>> /*
>>     Description: API names for Paragraph, Character
>>     and Text cursor properties
>>  */
>>
>> // Format names
>> #define RID_BORDER_DISTANCE
>> NC_("RID_ATTRIBUTE_NAMES_MAP", "Border Distance")
>> #define RID_BOTTOM_BORDER  
>> NC_("RID_ATTRIBUTE_NAMES_MAP", "Bottom Border")
>> #define RID_BOTTOM_BORDER_DISTANCE 
>> NC_("RID_ATTRIBUTE_NAMES_MAP", "Bottom Border Distance")
>>
>> (217 of them)
>>
>>
>> Is it sure that a user can see these strings somewhere in a translated form?
> Definitely.
>
>> If yes, then we need to know structure of these strings (they do not
>> seem to be sentences) and how are they presented, since many of them
>> have 'cryptic" form like
>>
>> Fill Bitmap Rectangle Point
>> Char Interoperability Grab Bag
>> Char Weight Complex
> Some background.
>
> These strings are related to the Styles Inspector - a GSoC project,
> being implemented by Shivam Kumar Singh
> (https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134554). The
> inspector is already available in Experimental mode (see comment 2 in
> the meta issue).
>
> The Inspector presents a detailed low-level view of properties applied
> at the cursor. As such, it shows the multitude of attributes applied to
> text (or other object in the future); most these attributes have their
> names in multiple dialogs throughout the UI, but this is the first time
> when all of them need to be named in a single place. And translation in
> dialogs can not be used directly, e.g. because the translation there in
> dialogs may use context absent in the Inspector.
>
> One possible improvement could be to provide a hint somehow near the IDs
> in inspectorproperties.hrc, where known/possible, to the related strings
> in the dialogs/other UI parts, to help translators understand what this
> item is about. But that's a separate task/TODO: the current work on
> Inspector does not consider dialogs; the Inspector is created based on
> the properties available using UNO API, and thus Shivam does not know
> where the items are located in existing UI. (This is to clarify that
> there's no information already used by developers, potentially useful to
> translation, that was somehow lost during development.)
>
> The names that Shivam has put there are possibly somewhat "cryptic"
> exactly because of the mentioned specifics: the names are mostly the API
> names, which were split by CamelCase to produce strings like "Char
> Weight Complex", intended to be used in context of table like
>
>     Char Interoperability Grab Bag    "some string"
>
>     Char Weight Complex    10
>
> So the mentioned TODO would also allow to gradually find the existing
> names of the attributes, and make them consistent in the Inspector.
>
>> On 8/10/20 11:56 AM, Caolán McNamara wrote:
>>> There is already a member in SfxPoolItem "GetPresentation" which is
>>> used in the "organizer" tab of some dialogs to give a human-readable
>>> representation of an SfxPoolItem, I wonder (without looking into it) if
>>> that is anyway useful in this circumstance.
> Thanks Caolán!
>
> Note that SfxPoolItem::GetPresentation provides a property *value*, not
> its name. See  tdf#134561, where I propose using this function for the
> purpose of getting "natural" attribute values.
>
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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Unclear new strings to translate

[Milos Sramek]

I can see there only two items in Style Inspector sidebar deck in Writer
(in the dev version)
Font name
Font size

In the file inspectorproperties.hrc there is
"Char Font Name"
but no
"Char Font Size"

Maybe that this feature is not finished yet.
I will ask on the developer's list

Milos

On 8/12/20 11:02 AM, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote:
> Milos Sramek () kirjutas 12.08.2020 kell 10:48:
>
>> ...
>> Is it sure that a user can see these strings somewhere in a translated
>> form?
>>
>> If yes, then we need to know structure of these strings (they do not
>> seem to be sentences) and how are they presented ...
>
> They are visible in the 
> (experimental features must be enabled in order to see it).
>
> Br,
> Mihkel
>

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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Unclear new strings to translate

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
I've checked the code. These strings are defined in file
./sw/inc/inspectorproperties.hrc:

#define NC_(Context, String) reinterpret_cast(Context
"\004" u8##String)

/*
    Description: API names for Paragraph, Character
    and Text cursor properties
 */

// Format names
#define RID_BORDER_DISTANCE
NC_("RID_ATTRIBUTE_NAMES_MAP", "Border Distance")
#define RID_BOTTOM_BORDER  
NC_("RID_ATTRIBUTE_NAMES_MAP", "Bottom Border")
#define RID_BOTTOM_BORDER_DISTANCE 
NC_("RID_ATTRIBUTE_NAMES_MAP", "Bottom Border Distance")

(217 of them)


Is it sure that a user can see these strings somewhere in a translated form?

If yes, then we need to know structure of these strings (they do not
seem to be sentences) and how are they presented, since many of them
have 'cryptic" form like

Fill Bitmap Rectangle Point
Char Interoperability Grab Bag
Char Weight Complex


Milos



On 8/10/20 11:56 AM, Caolán McNamara wrote:
> On Mon, 2020-08-10 at 12:01 +0300, Mike Kaganski wrote:
>> But for a random Russian user, who tries to understand why their text
>> is red, reading a random English description like "Color of
>> character", or random English-based ID like "CharColor", might be
>> absolutely incomprehensible. A string like "Цвет символа", to the
>> contrary, would make sense. So - well, on the second thought: no, we
>> should not avoid translation here
> There is already a member in SfxPoolItem "GetPresentation" which is
> used in the "organizer" tab of some dialogs to give a human-readable
> representation of an SfxPoolItem, I wonder (without looking into it) if
> that is anyway useful in this circumstance.
>
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[libreoffice-l10n] Unclear new strings to translate

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

there are numerous new strings to translate now, many of which are
unclear. I am not sure if they should be translated at all. Aren't these
unfinished work by the GSOC guys? In this case their mentors should
check also these strings.

Milos   

For example:

in master
/sw/messages

(maybe 200 of this kind):

Char Font Style Name Complex   

Fill Bitmap Rectangle Point

Para Auto Style Name

Style Interop Grab Bag


master
/cui/messages:



ProgressLabel

This label shows that the progress of the operations such as loading
extensions, not found, etc.

searchEntry


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[libreoffice-l10n] Suggestion for workflow modification : a new directory "Prepared for translation" with "cleaned" files

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

document 'cleaning' has been mentioned recently in several threads. It
is a necessary step for subsequent translation of the guides to
different languages. As it  is currently done 'on request', I suggest to
add cleaning as a compulsory step to the workflow (described here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DocumentationTeamInfo/UsingAuthorsWebsite).

Currently I put the cleaned files here:
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/index.php/apps/files?dir=/Shared/SK%20community/Cleaned.
Probably nobody knows about them.

What is cleaning about:

For translation we use the OmegaT tool, which extracts strings for
translation directly from the document's xml. This means that the
character formatting tags are visible for her/him (tags in OmegaT are
abbreviated to ... or similar). Usually there are too many
useless tags (tags seem to remain in the code forever, even if
formatting is removed), which complicates the translation process (too
many tags, words split by tags to pieces etc). In cleaning all direct
character formatting is removed (by a python script) which decreases the
amount of tags to the necessary minimum.

My suggestion:

Add an additional step in the workflow after "Published" (after it in
order to not to change to current authoring workflow) by adding a new
directory "Prepared for translation". From there (1) a translator would
take documents for translation and (2) these documents would be used to
start a new version of the given Guide.

Who will do that:

I volunteer to take care of the cleaning process. I will also create a
guide, how to do that and also will place the script to the nextcloud,
so that eventually somebody else can do that. As a part of the cleaning
process one has to visually check the documents and change eventual
direct formatting to the an appropriate character style.

thanks for consideration

Milos

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help request to localize website - donate page

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
some time ago we have discussed the website translation.  Does anybody
know the situation? Is there a chance that the website strings will be
resurrected from pootle and transferred to weblate?
thanks
Milos


On 4/15/20 10:01 AM, Valter Mura wrote:
> In data martedì 14 aprile 2020 16:19:13 CEST, Martin Srebotnjak ha scritto:
>> Hi, Miloš,
>>
>> do you have a 100 % translated website in Weblate?
>>
> Hi Martin,
>
> AFAIK, there's no website project in Weblate. It exists in Pootle but they 
> are 
> old strings.
>
>> V V tor., 14. apr. 2020 ob 11:15 je oseba Milos Sramek <
>>
>> sramek.mi...@gmail.com> napisala:
>>> Hi,
>>> I think I have a similar problem. Some parts of
>>> https://sk.libreoffice.org/download/download/ are in English and cannot
>>> be translated in Silverstripe.
>>> They are translated for other languages, so there must be a way how to
>>> translate that. But how?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Milos
>>>
>>> On 4/13/20 12:52 PM, sophi wrote:
>>>> Hi Luca,
>>>>
>>>> Le 09/04/2020 à 01:49, Luca Daghino @ Libero a écrit :
>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody can give a little help localizing the "Donate" page of the
>>>>> english website?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to update the already existing italian page; I'd like to add
>>>>> the "Donate your time" part, but I can't find a way to add it.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the html code in SilverStripe that part is missing (or... I can't
>>>>> see
>>>>> it); in pootle the italian part for the web is completely translated;
>>>>> in
>>>>> weblate I can't find anything related to the website.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also tried creating a new "donate page" for the italian section
>>>>> (in
>>>>> case the donate page template had changed), but got the same results.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the english page I can also see a horizontal bar (Subsite
>>>>> operations)
>>>>> that is not present in the italian page, but that bar is empty, so I
>>>>> don't understand if it's really needed. When creating the italian
>>>>> donate
>>>>> page from scratch, that bar is not created, though the chosen page type
>>>>> is "Donate page", just like the original english page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, I may be wrong, but it seems to me also in the english page
>>>>> the
>>>>> text showing up in the published page is partially different from the
>>>>> text appearing inside SilverStripe.
>>>> I think part of it is on the CSS. I'm adding Mike in copy because he
>>>> might know better than me.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Sophie
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help request to localize website - donate page

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On 4/15/20 10:01 AM, Valter Mura wrote:
> In data martedì 14 aprile 2020 16:19:13 CEST, Martin Srebotnjak ha scritto:
>> Hi, Miloš,
>>
>> do you have a 100 % translated website in Weblate?
>>
> Hi Martin,
>
> AFAIK, there's no website project in Weblate. It exists in Pootle but they 
> are 
> old strings.

Yes, you're right. I've explored the weblate page thoroughly again, and
there is nothing related to web page.

Milos 



>
>> V V tor., 14. apr. 2020 ob 11:15 je oseba Milos Sramek <
>>
>> sramek.mi...@gmail.com> napisala:
>>> Hi,
>>> I think I have a similar problem. Some parts of
>>> https://sk.libreoffice.org/download/download/ are in English and cannot
>>> be translated in Silverstripe.
>>> They are translated for other languages, so there must be a way how to
>>> translate that. But how?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Milos
>>>
>>> On 4/13/20 12:52 PM, sophi wrote:
>>>> Hi Luca,
>>>>
>>>> Le 09/04/2020 à 01:49, Luca Daghino @ Libero a écrit :
>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody can give a little help localizing the "Donate" page of the
>>>>> english website?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to update the already existing italian page; I'd like to add
>>>>> the "Donate your time" part, but I can't find a way to add it.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the html code in SilverStripe that part is missing (or... I can't
>>>>> see
>>>>> it); in pootle the italian part for the web is completely translated;
>>>>> in
>>>>> weblate I can't find anything related to the website.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also tried creating a new "donate page" for the italian section
>>>>> (in
>>>>> case the donate page template had changed), but got the same results.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the english page I can also see a horizontal bar (Subsite
>>>>> operations)
>>>>> that is not present in the italian page, but that bar is empty, so I
>>>>> don't understand if it's really needed. When creating the italian
>>>>> donate
>>>>> page from scratch, that bar is not created, though the chosen page type
>>>>> is "Donate page", just like the original english page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, I may be wrong, but it seems to me also in the english page
>>>>> the
>>>>> text showing up in the published page is partially different from the
>>>>> text appearing inside SilverStripe.
>>>> I think part of it is on the CSS. I'm adding Mike in copy because he
>>>> might know better than me.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Sophie
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help request to localize website - donate page

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Hi,
I think I have a similar problem. Some parts of
https://sk.libreoffice.org/download/download/ are in English and cannot
be translated in Silverstripe.
They are translated for other languages, so there must be a way how to
translate that. But how?

thanks
Milos





On 4/13/20 12:52 PM, sophi wrote:
> Hi Luca,
> Le 09/04/2020 à 01:49, Luca Daghino @ Libero a écrit :
>> Hello all!
>>
>> Anybody can give a little help localizing the "Donate" page of the
>> english website?
>>
>> I'm trying to update the already existing italian page; I'd like to add
>> the "Donate your time" part, but I can't find a way to add it.
>>
>> In the html code in SilverStripe that part is missing (or... I can't see
>> it); in pootle the italian part for the web is completely translated; in
>> weblate I can't find anything related to the website.
>>
>> I've also tried creating a new "donate page" for the italian section (in
>> case the donate page template had changed), but got the same results.
>>
>> In the english page I can also see a horizontal bar (Subsite operations)
>> that is not present in the italian page, but that bar is empty, so I
>> don't understand if it's really needed. When creating the italian donate
>> page from scratch, that bar is not created, though the chosen page type
>> is "Donate page", just like the original english page.
>>
>> Besides, I may be wrong, but it seems to me also in the english page the
>> text showing up in the published page is partially different from the
>> text appearing inside SilverStripe.
> I think part of it is on the CSS. I'm adding Mike in copy because he
> might know better than me.
> Cheers
> Sophie
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Localization of LibreOffice online

[Milos Sramek]

In is OK in Slovak now. Thank you!
Milos

On 2/28/20 4:33 PM, sophi wrote:
> Hi Milos, Martin,
> Le 26/02/2020 à 11:41, Martin Srebotnjak a écrit :
>> Hi, Miloš et. al.,
>>
>> I believe the reason is that the LOOL on TDF nextcloud does not have
>> langpacks for Slovak (nor for Slovenian) installed.
>> If I am right, please do install these two langpacks.
> Both langpacks should be installed now (thanks to Guilhem :-). Let me
> know if you meet issues.
> Cheers
> Sophie


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[libreoffice-l10n] Localization of LibreOffice online

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

do we have access to a LOOL instance with the most recent localizations?

I have access to LOOL of the documentation team at
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org. There, the main window is
localized to Slovak, but popups and the side panel are not. If I switch
my language to Czech, everything is localized.

I think that LOOL localization to Slovak is complete (except for the
help). Thus, maybe that this server does not run the up-to-date version
or there is a problem somewhere.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] The "Source change" field

[Milos Sramek]

Hi Sophi,
are we sure that this is not a symptom of some serious problem?
Rewriting os strings does not make sense to  me. I could imagine a typo
correction, but rewriting "Cell formatting" to "Collaborative editing"?
Milos

On 2/25/20 9:39 AM, sophi wrote:
> Hi Milos,
> Le 25/02/2020 à 07:13, Milos Sramek a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've noticed a new field in Weblate, "Source change".
>>
>> It looks more like a bug than a feature.
>>
>> Example:
>>
>> According to the Source field the string #199 of the file
>> loleaflet/po/help-sk.po
>> (https://weblate.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_online/loleaflet-help/sk/?checksum=2f877fa93036e8bd)
>> has been changed from "Cell formatting" to "Collaborative editing"
>>
>> This does not make sense to me. Is it OK?
> I agree with you, each time I've seen a modified source string, it has
> nothing to do with the original, my guess is that's a copy and paste of
> a source string structure to adapt it.
>
> Cheers
> Sophie
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[libreoffice-l10n] The "Source change" field

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

I've noticed a new field in Weblate, "Source change".

It looks more like a bug than a feature.

Example:

According to the Source field the string #199 of the file
loleaflet/po/help-sk.po
(https://weblate.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_online/loleaflet-help/sk/?checksum=2f877fa93036e8bd)
has been changed from "Cell formatting" to "Collaborative editing"

This does not make sense to me. Is it OK?

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[libreoffice-l10n] web page translation

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

I've translated the LO web page to Slovak: sk.libreoffice.com, but some
parts are still in English: https://sk.libreoffice.org/download/download/

Some of these strings, as e.g. "If you're a technology enthusiast..."
can be translated in Pootle/webpage. I have translated them just
recently, so they probably must be transferred  somewhere.

Can somebody help with that?

Other strings, as e.g "This version is slightly older and does not
have..." cannot be found in Pootle. How to translate them?

thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How to improve Help translation using vocabulary

[Milos Sramek]

Hi Stanislav,

thank you for pointing to the issue, it is exactly my problem. I am
currently fighting with the message-of-the-day strings and it would help
me a lot.

I'll add my +1 to the issue
best
Milos

12/13/19 9:04 PM, Stanislav Horáček wrote:
> Hi,
>
> it seems that this is a similar request as I mentioned here few days ago:
> https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/2183
>
> Would it be a solution for you?
>
> Stanislav
>
> pá 13. 12. 2019 v 11:07 odesílatel Milos Sramek  
> napsal:
>> Hi,
>>
>> In translation of the Help (and also the Tip-od-the-day strings) one
>> often needs to look up translation of UI strings. There are two options
>> how to do that: open LO and find the string there, and to search for the
>> string directly in Weblate. Both are cumbersome.
>>
>> There seems to be a third option.
>>
>> The LO manuals are translated using OmegaT. There, one can upload UI
>> translation to its vocabulary and OmegaT then highlights matches
>> directly in the translated text - one can choose the right one by mouse
>> click. This is very efficient and it ensures that the translations are
>> correct.
>>
>> I think that something similar can be achieved also in Weblate. I have
>> imported 16000 string pairs in vocabulary (there was no problem with
>> that) and when translating a string, I get a list of suggestions I can
>> choose from. For example, when translating the string
>>
>> /To start temporarily with a fresh user profile, or to restore a
>> non-working %PRODUCTNAME, useHelp > Restart in Safe Mode/.
>>
>> I can find there translation of /Restart in Safe Mode/. I can transfer
>> its translation to the editor by a mouse click.
>>
>> The problem here is that the algorithm behind vocabulary is very simple
>> - it finds occurrences of each word in the translated string in all
>> vocabulary entries. Thus for the string above I get 2000+ suggestions. I
>> can find the right translation by searching in the browser for the
>> source string. This is not optimal, but still better then the two
>> possibilities mentioned above.
>>
>> I thing that the search algorithm can be modified easily so that it
>> returns only useful matches - I would like to create an issue regarding
>> that in Weblate's github. If one uses just a standard vocabulary (a list
>> of translation of single words), no change would be visible.
>>
>> What do you think about this option? Do you also find it useful?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Milos
>>
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[libreoffice-l10n] How to improve Help translation using vocabulary

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

In translation of the Help (and also the Tip-od-the-day strings) one
often needs to look up translation of UI strings. There are two options
how to do that: open LO and find the string there, and to search for the
string directly in Weblate. Both are cumbersome.

There seems to be a third option.

The LO manuals are translated using OmegaT. There, one can upload UI
translation to its vocabulary and OmegaT then highlights matches
directly in the translated text - one can choose the right one by mouse
click. This is very efficient and it ensures that the translations are
correct.

I think that something similar can be achieved also in Weblate. I have
imported 16000 string pairs in vocabulary (there was no problem with
that) and when translating a string, I get a list of suggestions I can
choose from. For example, when translating the string

/To start temporarily with a fresh user profile, or to restore a
non-working %PRODUCTNAME, useHelp > Restart in Safe Mode/.

I can find there translation of /Restart in Safe Mode/. I can transfer
its translation to the editor by a mouse click.

The problem here is that the algorithm behind vocabulary is very simple
- it finds occurrences of each word in the translated string in all
vocabulary entries. Thus for the string above I get 2000+ suggestions. I
can find the right translation by searching in the browser for the
source string. This is not optimal, but still better then the two
possibilities mentioned above.

I thing that the search algorithm can be modified easily so that it
returns only useful matches - I would like to create an issue regarding
that in Weblate's github. If one uses just a standard vocabulary (a list
of translation of single words), no change would be visible.

What do you think about this option? Do you also find it useful?

Cheers

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] A common policy regarding weblate bugs/improvements

[Milos Sramek]

Hi Sophi,
thank you for the answer. They are mostly minor improvements, so I'll
file them directly
Cheers
Milos

On 12/13/19 10:10 AM, sophi wrote:
> Hi Milos,
> Le 12/12/2019 à 14:34, Milos Sramek a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> with the new hardware Weblate started to be pretty usable. Great! I've
>> spent some time with it and now and I can see some possibilities for
>> improvement.
> Great and thanks for your feedback :)
>> Do we have a policy how to file issues to Weblate? Just as individuals?
>> Or, do we as LO have some kind of "special relationship" with Weblate
>> which would make issues filed in the name of LO "heavier"?
> No special relationship for the moment. I think that if it small issues
> or enhancements, filling them directly make sense. If this is for a
> functionality or a feature and is a must have, then let's discuss it
> here before and see if we can join forces with Fedora, OpenSUSE and KDE
> to fund it.
> Cheers
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[libreoffice-l10n] A common policy regarding weblate bugs/improvements

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

with the new hardware Weblate started to be pretty usable. Great! I've
spent some time with it and now and I can see some possibilities for
improvement.

Do we have a policy how to file issues to Weblate? Just as individuals?
Or, do we as LO have some kind of "special relationship" with Weblate
which would make issues filed in the name of LO "heavier"?

Thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Incomplete LOOL pot files?

[Milos Sramek]

Hi Andras,
thank you for explanation.
Milos

On 11/12/19 12:37 PM, Andras Timar wrote:
> Hi Milos,
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 9:50 AM Milos Sramek  <mailto:sramek.mi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've tried the Slovak LOOL translation by logging in to
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/ (version 6.3.0). There are
> some untranslated strings in the UI, which cannot be found in pootle:
>
> Edit: Copy
>
> Insert: Chart, Section, More fields (including its submenu), Table of
> Contents and Index , Bibliography Entry
>
> Format: Watermark, Columns
>
> an others.
>
> These are probably missing in the pot file. Looks like a bug,
> doesn't it?
>
>
> It's not a bug, it's a feature. ;)
> I mean, not all strings end up in Online po files. Some are taken from
> the core. It would have been no sense to duplicate the work. Menu item
> translations are in core already, but Online source has to be updated
> with core translations before a release.
>
> The other difference is that nextcloud.documentfoundation.org
> <http://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org> uses version 6.3.0, while
> master branch is translated in Pootle. I'll double check the l10n
> status of LibreOffice Online 6.3, and probably the issue will go away
> in next release.
>
> Best regards,
> Andras


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[libreoffice-l10n] Incomplete LOOL pot files?

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

I've tried the Slovak LOOL translation by logging in to
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/ (version 6.3.0). There are
some untranslated strings in the UI, which cannot be found in pootle:

Edit: Copy

Insert: Chart, Section, More fields (including its submenu), Table of
Contents and Index , Bibliography Entry

Format: Watermark, Columns

an others.

These are probably missing in the pot file. Looks like a bug, doesn't it?

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[libreoffice-l10n] Unclear strings in LOOL translations

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

I've started to translate the recently added LOOL strings. There a two,
which I do not understand:

1. Insert column and row breaks in the spreadsheet to narrow the print
range and print the document to download. On printing the PDF, select
the pages of interest.
I have no idea what this means.

2.
Start cross copy/paste
What does 'cross' here mean?

thanks for your advice
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Wrong translations of formula function names and identifiers [3/3]

[Milos Sramek]

Hi Eike,
I did not get attachment in any of your three messages. Is this only my
problem?
thanks
Milos

On 10/16/19 8:39 PM, Eike Rathke wrote:
> Part 3/3, see attachment.
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate: Missing features, project folder view and search across the whole project

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
On 9/17/19 1:25 PM, Sveinn í Felli wrote:
> Þann 17.9.2019 10:53, skrifaði Christian Lohmaier:
>>> Listing the components as folders under the project and searching text
>>> across the whole project are quite important features in the daily
>>> translation workflow.
>> But this also sounds also like something that can be done more easily
>> offline, with the po files directly?
>
> But that raises the question (again); is it possible in Weblate to
> download all translation files for entire projects?
> I've searched for the feature but not found.
I also find this to be an important question.

Currently we have in Weblate in Slovak UI master a lot of strings with
failing checks (mostly unchanged translation and trailing space). I
hoped to be able to download them for the whole UI master, fix them and
upload back (the page is currently very slow and I hoped to speed up the
process in this way).
However, I was able to download these strings only for individual files
(which does not help), since the hierarchy is file-language and not
language-file (which would be for our multifile project more appropriate).

To learn more, I've tried Weblate with another project
(https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/copyq/master/sk/). It is a single
file project and I would rate Weblate for this case as better than
Pootle. But in the case of LO it is very awkward. I think we should ask
the author, perhaps it can be fixed.

Best
Milos
>
> Best,
> Sveinn
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[libreoffice-l10n] Problems in English text related to statistics

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

it looks like that the English text related to statistical functions
needs some cleanup, I've just filed a bug related to it
(https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117626):

Number 1, number 2, ... are 1 to 254 numerical arguments which portray a
sample.
Number 1, number 2, ... are numerical arguments portraying a sample of
the distribution.
Number 1, number 2, ... are numerical arguments portraying the population.
Number 1, number 2, ... are numerical arguments which portray a population.
Number 1, number 2, ... are numerical arguments which portray a sample
of a population.
Number 1, number 2, ... are numerical arguments which portray a sample.
Number 1, number 2, ... are numerical arguments which represent a
population.
Number 1, number 2;...are numeric arguments representing a population
sample.
Number 1, number 2;...are numerical arguments representing a sample.

Are "portray" and "represent" synonyms?

best

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] gettext and translations

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
one thing which I miss in the current system is the possibility to
translate plurals correctly. gettext supports that - maybe that it would
be necessary to change something in code, but I think its is worth that.
Pls, think about this
best
Milos

On 2017-06-05 13:44, Sophie wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Le 04/06/2017 à 22:38, Cor Nouws a écrit :
>> m.balaba...@gmail.com wrote on 04-06-17 21:23:
>>> Yes, Bulgarian is also one of those inflected languages that require 
>>> different translations to the same English phrase depending on the context. 
>>> If we lose msgctxt, we must have another way to separate different 
>>> instances of the same English
>> If I read Caoláns post well, it would not be a problem to preserve
>> msgtxt in the new situation.
> Thanks to all for your feedback. We are well aware of the need of
> context, as Cor said, msgtxt could be preserved. Also before going live
> with it, there will be several tests run to make sure the situation is
> ok for us and doesn't imply more work on our side.
>
> Cheers
> Sophie
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[libreoffice-l10n] Include comments-only boundary column(s)

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

any idea what does the "Include comments-only boundary column(s)" in
cell sorting options mean?

My interpretations:

Include comments, but only in boundary column(s)

Include boundary column(s) which have only comments.

However, neither of these makes sense for me.

best

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[libreoffice-l10n] A script to help with translations

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

twice a year we get thousands of strings for translation. On the one
hand this is good but translation of strings which we have translated
many times in the past is pretty boring. So I have written a python
script, which can translate strings using unique existing translations.
These are then uploaded using Pootle. Its functionality is similar to
two tools from the translate toolkit: pretranslate and poconflicts. I do
not use these, because: pretranslate requires pot files (we do not have
them) and produces fuzzy translations, which we do not want. poconflicts
lists all conflicts, the script lists just those relevant to the
actually needed translations (I plan to use poconflits later to fix
conflicts).

The script is attached (I hope we can attach stuff here).

How to use:

1. Download existing translations from Pootle (master as well as the
previous version)

2. translate using:

./selftranslate.py -i idir -o odir

where idir is directory with po files to be translated. The output odir
contains only files with changes which can be uploaded to pootle. In
this case idir is used also as the source for translated strings. In our
case numerous translations may be missing (they were probably deleted
when updating). You may use:

./selftranslate.py -i idir -r rdir -o odir

where rdir is directory with other translation downloaded from Pootle
(for example the previous version) (in my case additional 300 strings
were translated)

3. Upload to pootle: zip the odir directory and upload to Pootle

In Slovak translation there are quite some conflicting translatios. The
command

./selftranslate.py -i idir  -g > conflicts.json

or

./selftranslate.py -i idir -r rdir  -g > conflicts.json

outputs their list in the form (json)

{
  "Start": "Začiatok/Spustiť",
  "Spacing:": "Rozostupy:/Riadkovanie:",
  "Collapse": "Zbaliť/Zmrštiť zo strán"
}

where the alternative translations are separated by "/". Edit the file
by deleting bad translations. (outputs of the previous two commands
should be merged). If the conflict is OK or you do not know, just delete
the line.

Then, translate using

./selftranslate.py -i idir -r rdir -o odir -c fixed_conflicts.json

It will fix the conflicts in the json file, too.

In Slovak this has reduced the number of strings to translate to about 1/3.

When uploading, I always test if it works by uploading just one zipped
file (with its full path). I've never had any problems.

If you have questions, do not hesitate to ask :). The script was tested
on Linux and a few python packaged needed to be installed (using pip)

best

milos



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Video subtitles - srt files?

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Hi Sveinn,

>
> BUT there's a hitch: Many languages have different length of those
> sentences; at least in my case I had to split the segments differently
> from what you'd do for English.
> I'm pretty sure there are other languages having this problem.
Do you mean that one should break manually the text in order to be
displayed in youtube correctly? Because mplayer displays them correctly
without manual breaks.

If manual breaking is really necessary, one can do that, it is just
necessary to know how many characters are allowed for one line.

You can download my translated video from 
http://sospreskoly.org/~milos/Join.tgz

To run it:
mplayer -sub "Join the LibreOffice community-sk.srt" -utf8 "Join the
LibreOffice community.mp4"

 best
Milos
>
> So, I have prepared my own .srt for Icelandic (testing right now)
> which I'm going to send Mike (in a matter of minutes).
>
> Would you like to have the English .srt I made, with correct text but
> also some additional frames/segments?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Sveinn í Felli
>


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[libreoffice-l10n] Video subtitles - srt files?

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

I have just uploaded Slovak translation of the Community video.
I have also downloaded the video for off-line viewing with translated
subtitles in a SRT file (I've just discovered
https://www.4kdownload.com/products/product-videodownloader to do that)

The text in srt is broken according to the proper timing, which makes
sense. Wouldn't it be better to translate directly the SRT files to have
the correctly timed close captions directly?

best
Milos

the links:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Join_the_LibreOffice_community_script

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir6KiKfnWCw



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Plural formatting issue

[Milos Sramek]

On 2016-04-16 13:10, Michael Bauer wrote:
> I filed a bug about missing plural formatting in a few of the new
> strings but it seems to have dropped below the radar?
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99170
>
> Would be good if someone could have a look.
>
> Michael
>
>
Hi Michael,
did you mean the possibility to properly translate according to the
number of items?

"Plural-Forms: nplurals=3; plural=(n==1) ? 0 : (n>=2 && n<=4) ? 1 : 2;\n"

white-space
#  translator-comments
#. extracted-comments
#: reference…
#, flag…
#| msgid previous-untranslated-string-singular
#| msgid_plural previous-untranslated-string-plural
msgid untranslated-string-singular
msgid_plural untranslated-string-plural
msgstr[0] translated-string-case-0
...
msgstr[N] translated-string-case-n

Does LO sopport this at all? All Slovak translations are in this sense
incorrect - if LO supports that I will be glad to correct them.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Request of 2 words translation for Redmine

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
in Slovak:

sk:
  label_history_tab_all: História
  label_history_tab_comments: Poznámky

Cheers
Milos


On 2015-12-01 14:33, Sophie wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've a small translation request to be added to redmine, the template is
> ---
> en:
>   label_history_tab_all: History
>   label_history_tab_comments: Comments
> ---
> where [en] is replaced by your locale, History and Comments translated
> in your language, as an example, for French it would be:
> ---
> fr:
>   label_history_tab_all: Historique
>   label_history_tab_comments: Commentaires
> ---
>
> Thanks a lot in advance for you help :) You can either mail to the list
> or directly to me.
>
> Cheers
> Sophie


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] emoji uniqueness?

[Milos Sramek]

On 2015-08-22 17:21, Mateusz Zasuwik wrote:
 Németh, could you run this test for Polish localization?

Slovak too, please
Milos

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[libreoffice-l10n] bug in pootle: Copy into translation

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

I think there is a bug in pootle. I display translation to several
languages and every now and then copy translation from some language to
my translation box by clickung the + button ( Copy into translation)
placed right to it.
Yesterday I've noticed that this always copies the English text, not the
one I want.
Where to announce this?

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[libreoffice-l10n] missing translations on Windows

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

some strings in 4.4.3.2 Calc on Windows are not translated. In Linux it
is OK. See the attached image.

Can you confirm it in other languages

thanks
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help needed exporting libo guides from odt to pdf

[Milos Sramek]

On 2015-05-20 02:16, elcico2001 ??? wrote:
 Hello all,
 Need a little help to export from odt to pdf the translated to italian
 wg; problem is fields (cross references) regarding figures are not
 exported properly; for instance the sentence see figure 10 becomes
 see 10 and the word figure is lost.
Hi,

I had the same problem in translating the LO Getting Strated guide using
OmegaT to Slovak. I solved it 'manually'. In OmegaT a string with Figure
reference being translated looks like this:

The technical names for common controls are shown in t1Figure 1/t1:
Názvy bežných ovládacích prvkov sú uvedené na obrázku t11/t1:

Instead of keeping translation 'obrázku' of 'Figure' inside the t1 tags,
I moved it outside. This worked well. It is possible that LO should be
able translate Figure inside the tags automatically (because of change
of language settings), but aparently this does not work (a bug?). I did
no go deeper into it, since automatic translation would not be useful
for me anyway, since the translation shoud be declinated according to
its context.

cheers
Milos

 I have tried different libo versions (kubuntu 14.04 libo 4.2.8(?) -
 winxp libo 4.2.2 - winxp libo 3.6.7 - lubuntu 15.04 libo 4.4.2), but
 the only one that works is libo 3.5.4 on debian old-stable.
 As I'd like to update my debian old-stable... :)  anyone can help on
 this? Could you tell me what is used to export english guides, as I've
 seen the problem does not exist for these guides.

 Also searched for bugs; just found this one, but I doubt it's the same
 problem:

 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42346

 Thank you :)
 P.S. Not subscribed to users@global, so please reply me cc.



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[libreoffice-l10n] Cf8bS

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

the Cf8bS string: Force OpenGL even if blacklisted

probably shoud say 'OpenCL'
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] guide for scholars

[Milos Sramek]

On 2015-03-18 16:10, Cor Nouws wrote:
 Sophie wrote on 18-03-15 15:57:
 Maybe a good time to try the translation workflow we have set via
 OmegaT/GitHub for group work and revisions handling, see Milos message here:
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-l10n-Translation-of-LibreOffice-Guides-on-Github-td4141530.html

 Maybe, yes :)
 Is there an easy how-to, that prevents me consuming time in finding
 information and so on? Would be really helpful.
Hi Cor,

I can set it up - I just need the Dutch document(s) for that
best
Milos


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[libreoffice-l10n] Translation of LibreOffice Guides on Github

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

For each LibreOffice component there exists a Guide: XX. The
documentation team keeps them up to date, the work on update for LO4.4
has just started. It would be great if we had their translations to as
many languages as possible. For this we have developed a workflow, which
is based on the OmegaT translation tool and its support for
collaborative translation by means of a remote repository.

This approach has been tested by translating the Getting Started Guide
4.2 to Slovak. Thanks to OmegaT its update will be now very easy: we
will have to translate just the differences. I think that nobody wants
to translate a single sentence twice and OmegaT fulfills this
requirement perfectly.

TDF (Sophie, Norbert and others) has created for this purpose a
repository in the Libreoffice space on Github: XX Once a OmegaT team
project is set up there, anybody can join the translation process
through the OmegaT program - no special knowledge of other programs
except for OmegaT is necessary.  This is a big advantage. This setup
allows even that two translators translate simultaneously a single
document.

In the Github repository we currently have team projects for fr, de, sk
and cs. In this moment we look for administrators for other languages,
who would set up the repository for their language and later would
organize the translation.

Basic set up of one language is also very easy. OmegaT however offers
some other options which may significantly simplify and speed up the
translation process. This requires some experience - I  will be glad to
help you.
These 'other options' include
- creation of a glossary with GUI translations: OmegaT then offers them
in a dropdown menu - one does not have to look up these translation in
Pootle or LO itself.
- reuse of old translation, if you have one. This requires some extra
work (alignment of the original and translation) , but pays well off.
- machine translation. These are usually not perfect, but still can save
a lot of typing. They are offered in OmegaT only as a suggestion, so one
and modify them if necessary.
- reuse translation of LibreOffice Help

Machine translation can be of big advantage if it works. We have used
Google Translate for translation between Slovak and Czech versions. I
estimate that it has reduced the required time by about 75%. Slovak and
Czech are close languages so GT works very well. Maybe that other pairs
work well too (english - ??, french - spanish, spanish-italian,
slovak-polish, german-dutch etc). I've written a simple script to
translate OmegaT translation memory using Google translate (translation
memory is an xml file, where OmegaT stores all translated segments). If
you want to give it a try, I can translate the English, Czech or Slovak
version of the translation memory to your language so that you can check.

with best wishes
Milos
 

 

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[libreoffice-l10n] unclear strings

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

does anybody have an idea, what are these strings related to? Where in 
LO can I find them?


Structure text
Press Ctrl+Alt+A to move focus for more operations
Press left or right arrow to choose the structure controls
Press Ctrl+Alt+B to move focus back to the current structure control

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] New Pootle server is available for testing

[Milos Sramek]

Dňa 2014-02-11 11:48, Christian Lohmaier wrote / napísal(a):

Hi Milos, *,

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Milos Sramek sramek.mi...@gmail.com wrote:

[...]
According to the Pootle documentation, this version supports translation
memory (amagama server).
Can we activate this feature?

This is activated, but it has the same problem as on the live server:
the translation memory server doesn't support https, so your browser
refuses to load it since pootle itself was accessed using https.

Your browser should show some indicator that it blocked content from
loading. In chrome it is a shield at the right hand side of the
location entry box, next to the bookmark-star, in firefox the
indicator is at the left.

Yes, it works! I did not notice that tiny buttuns earlier :)
Thanks!

What is loaded in the TM now? It would be great if older version were in 
it too - exactly for the next batch of dialog updates.


Milos


Allow to load the content from locamotion org and it should work.

ciao
Christian




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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] New Pootle server is available for testing

[Milos Sramek]

Dňa 2014-02-11 10:21, Mihovil Stanic wrote / napísal(a):

What are advantages over current pootle version?
I've noticed better navigation, exact match in search (good!), show 
timeline (not for all items).


According to the Pootle documentation, this version supports translation 
memory (amagama server).
Can we activate this feature? It would help mostly in translation of the 
strings for the new dialogs - I do not think that we all have translated 
them yet. Moreover, a few hundreds of such modified strings will come 
perhaps in 4.3 again.


As I remember using TM from the amagama server in Virtaal some time ago, 
there were old openoffice strings there, but no LO strings. Pootle, 
however, supports private TM servers - does it make sense to set up our 
own one? Perhaps it would be useful to put translations from LO 3.6, 4.0 
4.1 and 4.2 there


Milos


Best regards,
Mihovil

Dana 11.2.2014 9:00, Khaled Hosny je napisao:

Hi all,

We are in the process of upgrading our Pootle installation to the latest
version, and we have done a test upgrade to catch any issue before going
live. The test server can be accessed here:

   https://translations-test.documentfoundation.org

Please note that this is a test server, any work you do there will be
*lost*, so only use it to test and report any issues you found, not for
actual translation work.

If no issues are reported, we will proceed with upgrading the live
server next week, so please report any issues you find ASAP.

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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: Another bad string in nath

[Milos Sramek]

More of this kind in Math - Elements Dock - Brackets
Or, should I file a bug because of this?

starmath/source.po
Context:
commands.src RID_LRPARENTX_HELP string.text
Comments:

vwBZR

should be Round Brackets and not Round Brackets (Scalable)
--

Context:
commands.src RID_LRBRACKETX_HELP string.text
Comments:

EfASf

should be Square Brackets and not Square Brackets (Scalable)

The scalabe counterpars are in the file later and have S in their 
context string

--

File: starmath/source.po
Context:
commands.src RID_SLRCEILX_HELP string.text
Comments: uMaxr

Minor ceil should be Upper Ceil (scalable)
This is the same bracket pair as in the block above, the difference is 
that those in the upper are not scalable and in the lower one are 
scalable. Or, perhaps both should say only Ceil, in order to 
correspond to Floor, which is next to it.

--
Context:
commands.src RID_SLRFLOORX_HELP string.text
Comments:Qeog6

Minor floor should be Floor (scalable)

The same situation as previous.

best
Milos



Dňa 2014-01-05 14:36, Milos Sramek wrote / napísal(a):

Hi,
commands.src RID_INT_FROMX_HELP string.text should be Integral 
Subscript Bottom, not Integral Subscript Top

Milos




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[libreoffice-l10n] untranslated dialog

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
I've just noticed that the Slide design dialos in Impress is not translated
Milos

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[libreoffice-l10n] Options libreofficedev items not translated

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
the list items in Options  LibreOfficeDev are not translated. Is it 
besause of the LibreOfficeDev and with LibreOffice it would be OK, 
or is it a real bug?

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[libreoffice-l10n] object bars

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

does anybody know what kind of bars these are? Can one see them 
somewhere? Do they have something to do with the toolbars in the view  
toolbars menu?


sw/source/ui/shells.po:
Text Object Bar/Images
Draw Object Bar
Text Object Bar
Numbering Object Bar

and similar in sw/source/ui/web.po:
Text Object Bar/Web
Frame Object Bar/Web*
*
and others...

thanks

Milos


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[libreoffice-l10n] translating dialogs using OmegaT

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

I've studied a bit the situation regarding the new strings for 
translation in dialogs.


The developers have since lo4.1 release converted 285 dialogs to glade 
ui files. For us this means that the corresponding strings were moved 
from the files in the (xxx)/source to files in the (xxx)/uiconfig 
subdirectories. One can check in Pootle that there really are fewer 
words in the source subdirs and more in the uiconfig subdirs comparing 
4.2 to 4.1.


The consequence for us is that the translations from the source files 
are missing in the uiconfig files. There are about 8000 words to 
translate now, so this is a lot of work. Moreover, in Pootle we do not 
see the old 4.1 stuff and also do not see similar strings from 4.2 - so 
it looks like we should repeat the translation again from scratch.


I've tried to use OmegaT for translation - it  can provide reference to 
4.1 and in general it significantly speeds up the procedure


OmegaT uses for translation translation memory (tmx files)- except for 
the main one it can use also auxiliary tmx files.
The idea is to convert 4.1 translation to these auxiliary tmx files - 
they are then offered by OmegaT as suggestions.


The procedure:
1. Install omegat from omegat.org (I use the beta version)
2. Download of po files from Pootle. I've downloaded everything in 
libo_ui-sk.zip (4.2) and  libo41x_ui-sk.zip files
3. Create a new omegat project (OT asks you to create a directory, let's 
create XXX) without importing anything

4. Unzip libo_ui-sk.zip in XXX/sources
5. Unzip libo41x_ui-sk.zip im XXX/tm
6. Convert the po files to tmx in XXX/tm (using the bash shell):
for i in `find . -name \*po`; do po2tmx --lang sk -i $i -o $i.tmx ;done
7. This step is optional, but can save a lot of typing: convert the ~ 
accelerators by the _ ones:

sed  -i -e s/\~/_/ `find . -name \*tmx`
This converts ~ in all strings, not only the dialog ones. It should 
not be a problem, since we want to  translate only the dialog strings
8. Start OmegaT and open the XXX directory. It will load po files from 
XXX/source. Suggestions from auxiliary tmx files created from 4.1 are in 
the upper right pane. Most of the strings are translated (OT understands 
po files) and in my setting are displayed yellow. Every now and then 
there is an untranslated (blue) string. By pressing CRTL-U one jumps to 
the next untranslated string. OT may directly suggest a translation 
(based on the tmx files) - marked by [approximate] (or something similar 
in other language). If you like it, press CTRL-R and [approximate]  
vanishes. Or edit, as you wish. Then press CTRL-U and go to the next string.
9. When done, choose Project  Create translated documents. These appear 
in XXX/target. One can compare the source and target files using 
gvimdiff - the files are exactly the same except for the translations.
10. When a subdirectory is translated (say, cui), zip it and upload to 
pootle.

11. Enjoy the '0' in the Need translation column

OmegaT normally segments the text at the level of sentences. This means 
that a PO message, consisting of two and more sentences, would be 
offered for translations in two or more parts. The suggestions based on 
auxiliary tmx file are however not split. One can change this behaviour 
by unchecking all options in Settings  Segmentation  Predefined (the 
last but 3 iten). Subsequenly, a PO message will alway appear as one 
item in OT.


My observations after translating about 1000 words:

- work with OT is much faster than with Pootle - there one waits a 
second or two after submitting a string, which after some time becomes 
annoying

- suggestions are both exact and fuzzy
- CTRL-U stops at untranslated strings and at translated strings with 
ambiguous translation in the tmx files. In the second case the the 
original translation is kept - one thus can correct it, based on the 
suggestions
- In suggestions one can sometimes see an incorrect translation - one 
can then look the incorrect string up in Pootle and correct it. Or, one 
can do that directly in the XXX/sources tree
- one can see a lot of context - 16 lines in my case. For me it helps, 
for example, to choose correctly gender of adjectives, if I see that 
'thick' is related to 'line'
- OT allways want to translate headers of the po files (these are items 
win many lines). Just hit CRTL-SHIFT-R to take the original


There seem to be also another option how to use OT. One can perhaps 
merge the auxiliary tmx files into one and store it as 
XXX/omegat/project_save.tmx. This is the main translation memory. In 
this case, perhaps, OT will translate all untranslated messages 
automatically. I did not check it.


Except for OmegaT I've tried also Virtaal. In comparison to Pootle it 
has the advantage, that it looks up translations on some servers. The 
Agama server seems to have translation from OpenOffice, so it helps a 
bit (would not be bad to ask then to load LO translations). The lookup 
is, however, too slow  to 

[libreoffice-l10n] accelerators

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

about 2-3 years ago there was a discussion here about accelerators - if 
to use them or not. That time it was said, that, if no accelerator is 
used, LO assignes one automatically.


Now I see that the developers still use accelerators (~) in the new 
strings in LO4.2. They are, however,  ignored by some translations. So, 
should we use them or should we ignore them? Or it is up to us?


How about the _ acceletarors (for the glade dialogs)?

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] L10n compatibility with Apache OO

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Dňa 15.11.2013 10:12, Mihovil Stanic wrote / napísal(a):

If I'm not mistaken, you can alone relicence your work any way you want.
But you cannot relicence work from other people.

So, if you made all translations I don't see problem in giving them to 
AOO, but if you have more team members then you all have to agree.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I would say you are right.


Bigger problem here is, if AOO can use your .po filesin their sistem.
Ididn't follow technical stuff behind translations, but I think LO 
devs changed translation workflow after OO split.
If you add to that thousands of new strings in LO and probably 
hundreds of removed / changed strings, it's not an easy transfer.
Perhaps one can use the LO translation in AOO by the help of pomerge: 
http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/translate-toolkit/en/latest/commands/pomerge.html


best
Milos


Best regards,
Mihovil

Dana 15.11.2013 10:00, Tom Davies je napisao:

Hi :)
Good question.  I keep hearing different opinions about this.  I think
you can but it might be worth checking with someone with some sort of
legal expertise.   According to the FSF (=Free Software Foundation)
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html

Hopefully it might be possible to look up commentaries in your own
language that are more relevant to the laws in your own country and
therefore be slightly easier to understand.  Often commentaries
written in English assume there is something called Public Domain
which doesn't exist under Uk law or the laws of many other countries.
Regards from
Tom :)




On 15 November 2013 01:53, Baurzhan Muftakhidinov
baurthefi...@gmail.com wrote:

Good morning,

I am the main translator of LibreOffice to Kazakh language.

I also want to import my work (Kazakh translation) to Apache OO (in 
the future).


Can I just take and upload it there? What about license,
I mean I have already contributed my work to LO, and it is
under LGPLv3 and MPL now. Is it compatible with Apache OO?

Thanks,

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Advice on translating large Odt documents

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Hi Alex,

you can download the script from http://ubuntuone.com/1LSDBsRaraP5CHDXMRPjSW
Except for it there is also the whole Getting started guide - original 
files, files with manually removed direct formating and files cleaned  
by the script.
The styles were modified (colored background) so that one can 
distinguish between direct formatting and styles.


The script currently does not accept any switches and can be 
meaningfully used only with the LO guides - some stuff is hardcoded 
inside. I plan, however, improve it a bit :) See the corr.sh script in 
the archive.


What is important - once the text is cleaned up, it  should be sent to 
the authors replace the originals. Otherwise we will never get rid of 
the direct formatting mess.


Best
Milos



Dňa 11.10.2013 11:25, Alex Thurgood wrote / napísal(a):

Le 10/10/2013 15:02, Milos Sramek a écrit :

Hi Milos,


The only problem we have encountered (and solved) is oversegmentation of
translation segments owing to direct formatting. Even words were split
by this, making translation nearly impossible. We had to remove the
formatting (replaced by styles)  and then had to clean the files by a
script (which removed all direct formatting). The script is available
(but it is not an enterprise grade one :)


I would be interested in being able to use that script to try and 
clean up the Base guides I'm attempting to translate at the moment.



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Advice on translating large Odt documents

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Hi Tom,

We've just successfully passed a proof-of-the-concept testing of 
translating the LO guides using OmegaT. It works, even in a team setup 
in which the translators share translation memory over a subversion (or 
git) repository.


The only problem we have encountered (and solved) is oversegmentation of 
translation segments owing to direct formatting. Even words were split 
by this, making translation nearly impossible. We had to remove the 
formatting (replaced by styles)  and then had to clean the files by a 
script (which removed all direct formatting). The script is available 
(but it is not an enterprise grade one :)

I've written to this list about that some days ago.

Milos


As I have written to this list Dňa 10.10.2013 11:47, Sophie wrote / 
napísal(a):

Hi Tom,
Le 10/10/2013 11:42, Tom Davies a écrit :

Hi :) Sorry, this is a bit off-topic for this list but it seems to be
the only place that might have relevant experience and expertise
about this issue.

Are there any good tools to help people translate fairly large
documents produced by LibreOffice.  There is a group that has some
Odt files of up to 60 pages per chapter and those chapters get
combined to form books of 300-600 pages.

At the moment their only way of translating them means they can't
access most of the tools you folks use and it's difficult to find a
good work-flow too.

They can use OmegaT, it's a very good tool translated in several
languages, see
http://www.omegat.org/

Does anyone here translate office documents or books and have any
good suggestions for tools and/or work-flow?

The workflow depend on the size of the team, numbers of translators,
proof readers, etc.

Kind regards
Sophie




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[libreoffice-l10n] l10n meeting in Milan

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
in the preliminary program of the Milan LibreOffice conference I can see 
that an l10n meeting is planned on Tuesday Sept. 24-th at 2 pm.

It has not been mentioned it in this list yes. Does anybody know more?

Thanks
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[libreoffice-l10n] translating LO guides

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

does anybody have experience with translation of LO guides from 
https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/?


I've  tried to use OmegaT for that, but I've failed, because the xml 
code is 'polluted' by numerous useless tags (read below) which makes 
using translation software impossible. Perhaps a 'clean up' tool would 
help, but I do no know anything like that :(


Milos



Explanantion of the problem:
For example, the sentence
*Quickstarter is installed in the Windows system tray and is 
automatically loaded during system startup.*


is displayed in the document without any formatting, using just the the 
Default character style


In OmegaT, however, it is displayed like this:

*f10Quickstarter is installed in /f10f11the Windows system 
tray**/f11f12and is automatically loaded /f12f13during system 
startup.**

**/f13*
(fxx are tag replacements and should not be touched.)

This suggests that there are some tags inside this sentence, in spite
the fact that I do not see any. Really, in the content.xml file inside
the document we can see them:

*text:span text:style-name=T65Quickstarter is installed in**
**/text:spantext:span text:style-name=T21the Windows system tray**
**/text:spantext:span text:style-name=T65and is automatically loaded**
**/text:spantext:span text:style-name=T21during system startup.**
**/text:span*/**
*
These tags in fact do not mean anything meaningful:

*style:style 
style:name=T21**style:family=textstyle:text-properties 
fo:language=en**fo:country=GB//style:style***

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[libreoffice-l10n] Untranslated Elements Dock

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

the Elements Dock in Math 4.1 contains about ten untranslated items in 
Slovak (Relations, Brackets, Set Operations, Functions,...), in spite of 
the fact that these are translated in pootle.


Any idea what's going on?

Thanks
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[libreoffice-l10n] accelerators

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

some time ago we discussed here automatic generation of accelerators. I 
do not know, if to keep and improve the current accelerators in Slovak 
(which are not optimal), or to delete them and to rely on the automatic 
option. Does anybody know details of the algorithm used to generate 
them? Are they generated  for individual menus and dialogs, or is it 
done in a global way? What about accented characters - I would prefer to 
avoid them, as accelerator they are awkward.


Thanks
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[libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: sk_SK.xml

[Milos Sramek]

Dear Eike,

of course, all of my past  future contributions to LibreOffice may be 
licensed under the MPL/LGPLv3+ dual license.

Milos Sramek

- Pôvodná správa -

Hi Milos,

On Saturday, 2012-01-21 01:23:36 +0100, Eike Rathke wrote:


 However, I pushed your's to master
 
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=3cf7dcdde2e7a115405c93e4f63580437c8ab744


Seems this was your first contribution to the code base and we need
a license statement from you saying that you contribute your patches
under LGPLv3+ and MPL. Best as mail to the dev list or
l10n@global.libreoffice.org (as you're subscribed there anyway) so we
can link it from
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Developers

Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for cooperating :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Suspicious lines in Pootle for languagetool

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Dňa 15.04.2012 15:56, Sveinn í Felli  wrote / napísal(a):

Hi,

saw some strange lines in Pootle for languagetool:

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/is/extensions/languagetool/MessagesBundle_is.properties/translate/?page=5 



Messages #74 and #77 contain English source messages in my Icelandic 
language - identical to the translation of next string above.


I'm pretty sure I did not myself mess up this by translating offline, 
even if this looks like a sort of line duplication or newline error in 
MessagesBundle_is.properties


Can you investigate further ?

Best regards,

Sveinn í Felli



Hi,


the same happens to me in languagetool in Slovak. It looks like the file 
(MessagesBundle_sk.properties) is corrupt.


This is its part where the error happens:

pl=Poľsky
repetition=Možný preklep: zopakovali ste slovo
result1=br\nb {0}. Riadok {1}, stĺpec {2}/bbr
b {0}. Riadok {1}, stĺpec {2}/bbr
resultAreaText=Tu sa zobrazí výsledok
resultTime=br\r\nČas: {0}ms (vrátane {1}ms na použitie pravidiel)br
Čas:{0}ms (vrátane {1}ms na použitie pravidiel)br
ru=Rusky

The lines marked by  are by pootle displayed as independent messages 
with the Slovak text in English version of the message. See the attached 
screenshot, messages 74 and 77.


Milos

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] To Slavic l10n Teams

[Milos Sramek]

Dňa 06.04.2012 13:26, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote / napísal(a):

Hi,

yesterday I noticed this bug:
https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=48356

I ask Slavic l10n teams (maybe it affects only latin-based ones) for
help to check if they see the same behaviour also with their text with
č and Č characters.

Thanks,
m.


Hi,

I confirm it in Slovak - newline is added in front of č (but not Č)
other accented characters are OK
tested on the latest daily LOdev 3.6.0alpha0+
Miloš

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Bugs in LibreOffice 3.5.2 rc1 translations

[Milos Sramek]

Dňa 19.03.2012 08:56, Andras Timar  wrote / napísal(a):

Hi,

Yesterday I pulled translations from Pootle. The error logs are at
http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/errorlog/. Please check errors,
especially fatal errors and correnct them in Pootle for rc2 (next
week).

Languages with fatal errors: cs, de, sk, tr.
sk: please check your tools, it makes horrible transformation to
protected tags.ahelp  -  Ahelp,/link  -  / link  etc.

Thanks,
Andras


Dear Andras,

I used google translate and did not notice what it does with the closing 
tag. Otherwise it was useful.
Please, run the test on sk once more, to see if everything has been 
corrected.


Thanks
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] sdf files

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Dňa 30.01.2012 09:21, Andras Timar  wrote / napísal(a):
 Hi Milos,

 2012/1/29 Milos Sramek sramek.mi...@gmail.com:
 Hi,

 a the translated sdf files available somewhere?

 Not really, because sdf files now are only used internally in the
 build. However, you can always create localized sdf files from po
 files and the en-US sdf template with po2oo tool from
 translate-toolkit.
Thank you for the information, I did not know about that.
I'll give it a try
Milos
 Best regards,
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[libreoffice-l10n] sdf files

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Hi,

a the translated sdf files available somewhere?


thanks
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Website translation

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Dňa 19.01.2012 15:32, Manveru1986  wrote / napísal(a):
 I can't see this in Polish project. (i.e. I can select this project on
 preferences site, but it's not displaying in translation section).
 Regards
 Michał
Please, add also Slovak. Thanks
Milos

 2012/1/19 Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org

 Hi Christian

 Actually, if you have your hands in this page, can we be a more explicit
 with the files? I mean,

 Under windows,
 ul
 listrongMain package: /strong
 hrefLibO_3.4.5_Win_x86_install_multi.exe 191 MB/href/li

 listrongHelp package: /strong
 hrefLibO_3.4.5_Win_x86_helppack_pt-BR.exe 9.7 MB (pt-BR - Português
 (Brasil))/href/li
 /ul
 where Main package and Help package are localizable...

 Thank you

 Olivier

 Em 19-01-2012 09:59, Christian Lohmaier escreveu:
  Hi Sérgio,
 
  On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Sérgio Marques
 smarque...@gmail.com
 wrote:s,
 
  Today I went to pootle and notice that mey language (pt) has a new
 project
  - website.
 
  What is that? Can you give me url for page?
 
  This is the small amount of custom strings that are used on the
  silverstripe based website (i.e. (www|lang).libreoffice.org).
 
  It is mainly used on the download page for the automatically generated
 links.
 
  e.g. http://www.libreoffice.org/download
  the Donload using Bittorrent, Get details (md5sum,) and other
  strings on that page. (as that part is generated automatically by the
  CMS and not entered as page content.
 
  ciao
  Christian
 


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] Locale data date acceptance patterns, localizers HEADS UP please :)

[Milos Sramek]

Hi Eike,

thank you for pointing to the existence of these xml files.

I found several incorrect items in sk_SK.xml. When corrected, may I send
it to you, too?
Is it somehow possible to test such file before sending it?

Regarding Acceptance patterns. Currently, we have in Slovak:
11. converts o 11.02.12
11.2 converts to 11.02.12
Which is OK, I just would prefer 11.02.2012


11-2 also converts to 11.02.12, but I would prefer 2012-01-11
Would that be possible? Both forms (with . and -) are OK according to
Slovak standard, so it makes sense to have both these possibilities.
In fact, no format is defined with the |DateAcceptancePattern |tag.
Which one is used then? The default one?

In fact, can we have different default format for Cand and for Writer?
This makes sense for me - in Calc I find 11.02.2012 more appropriate,
but in Writer
11. február 2012 should be prefered.

And the last one: In  11. február 2012, február is in the nominative
case. However we should use genitive: februára. Is it possible to
specify that?
Currently, the misuse the Month tag
Month
  MonthIDfeb/MonthID
  DefaultAbbrvNamefebruár/DefaultAbbrvName
  DefaultFullNamefebruára/DefaultFullName
/Month
but it leads often to nonsense.

Thanks in advance,
Milos



Dňa 12.01.2012 14:43, Eike Rathke  wrote / napísal(a):
 Hi,

 In order to get rid of the annoying accept every input as date that
 might resemble some date in almost any locale behavior I recently
 implemented locale dependent date acceptance patterns that need to be
 matched for date input, for full details see
 http://erack.org/blog/archives/8-LibreOffice-date-acceptance-patterns.html

 If in your locale input of incomplete/abbreviated dates shall be
 allowed, this will need a DateAcceptancePattern element be added to
 locale data, for example in en-US it's M/D and in de-DE it's D.M.
 (both already in).

 Just mail me the pattern(s) for your locale, I'll add it then.

 Thanks
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] compound strings

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Dňa 31.12.2011 13:56, Andras Timar  wrote / napísal(a):
 2011/12/31 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net:
 I guess the conservatism of OOo team when designing UI with those UI spec
 documents was a good thing and this should be in a way incorporated in the
 LO development process, even if with a lower administration impact on
 developers - but there should be some l10n representative checking ALL the
 proposed changes of UI strings - that they are logical and that they are
 localizable in all 100+ languages. Only then they could be checked in.
 No, that would effectively kill productivity. It is better to catch
 issues in beta phase. Not to mention that the UI approved by a
 comittee in the Sun era still resulted crap. See the history of
 http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/history/core/cui/source/dialogs/insrc.src,
 it is Mihkels example. This file has not been touched by LibreOffice
 developers.

 So, Andras, will you take care of these two string-formations in the code
 for 3.5, the one reported by Milos and the one by Mihkel? Or do we have to
 adapt our translations according to what the author of code wanted to
 say? Time for 3.5 is running out I guess.
 I don't understand why anyone needs to adapt translations for Milos' example.

 We have Delete $1 and Format $1 where $1 can be Header or
 Footer. Those are STR_HEADER and STR_FOOTER from
 sw/source/ui/docvw/docvw.src and are not used anywhere else, so you
 can translate them as you need to fit into the Delete $1 context. I
 hope the translation for Header or Footer is not different
 depending on if you delete it or if format it.
No, it is not different.

So, I corrected the translation to the accusative case without the
capital letter. I could have done that also earlier (thanks to KeyId),
but I was not sure if these string were used elsewhere in a different
context (say, in nominative) or not. Now I know :)
Thanks

Milos


 As for the Insert Rows/Columns modal dialog, it was a good catch that
 needs to be fixed. But if it have been good enough for the last couple
 of years, then I don't think we need to urgently fix it in 3.5 and
 break the string freeze. Let's fix it in master. What do you think?

 Best regards,
 Andras



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Feedback and suggestions on the l10n process

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Dňa 15.10.2011 14:24, Sérgio Marques  wrote / napísal(a):
 011/10/14 Milos Sramek sramek.mi...@gmail.com

 Dňa 13.10.2011 17:49, Sérgio Marques  wrote / napísal(a):
 Is there any chance of someone with skills make a bash script to remove
 accelerators from translation (msgstr) files?
 Hi, this seems to be easy:

 In the topmost directory issue the following command:

 sed -i.xx '/^msgstr/ s/\~//g' `find . -name \*po`


 Explanation:

 find . -name \*po  finds all po files
 `find . -name \*po`  enters list of these files to the command
 sed -i does inplace modification, backing up the original file to
 name.po.xx

 the command s/\~//g  replaces all ~character by nothing
 /^msgstr/ allows to do that only on lines, which start by msgstr

 (you probably do no want to change the English lines and the lines which
 specify ~ as the accelerator.)


 Once done, you can check the differences by:

 for i in `find . -name \*.po`; do diff $i.xx $i $i.diff; done

 for each po file, a file with differences is created with the following
 records:
 73c73    line number
  msgstr Otvo~riť len na čítanie    input
 ---
 msgstr Otvoriť len na čítanie. output
 If you want to see the ~ characters, use the following before and after
 deletion

 grep \~ `find . -name \*.po`


 While it is easy to get all po files from pootle, I do not know, if it
 is possible to upload many files at once. Perhaps,  git access is useful
 to do this.

 Be careful, always make backups and check the result

 Enjoy
 Milos


 Hi again Milos,

 The commando work like a charm. Will wait till Andras reply to see my next
 move. But now, how can I remove in one step the files generated? (diff and
 po.xx)
Hi

rm `find . -name \*.xx`

the command find . -name \*.xx finds all *.xx files and the backquotes
`` just take the output of the find command and insert it as a list of
arguments to the rm command.

Milos

 regards

 Sérgio Marques



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Feedback and suggestions on the l10n process

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Dňa 14.10.2011 16:08, Sérgio Marques  wrote / napísal(a):
 Hi Milos,

 Thanks for Your well done explanation.

 Andras said that he could do it so I´m waiting for his response to my post.
 I think it is better to be done by someone that has experience with such
 operations.

 But in the meantime I will certainly try Your commands and post an feedback.

 In some other posts someone said that it is possible to upload the whole
 directory to pootle but I don´t know how.

 Just one more question. If I download whole directory from pootle, when
 unzip it I have a folder with several subfolders. Does Your command work on
 parent folder or do I have to enter in each subfolder and do the command on
 them.
Just that one for all subfolders. The `find . -name \*.po` command does
the trick - it finds all po files in the tree specified by the first
argument to find (. (dot) in this case, meaning this directory).
Milos
 regards

 2011/10/14 Milos Sramek sramek.mi...@gmail.com

 Dňa 13.10.2011 17:49, Sérgio Marques  wrote / napísal(a):
 Is there any chance of someone with skills make a bash script to remove
 accelerators from translation (msgstr) files?
 Hi, this seems to be easy:

 In the topmost directory issue the following command:

 sed -i.xx '/^msgstr/ s/\~//g' `find . -name \*po`


 Explanation:

 find . -name \*po  finds all po files
 `find . -name \*po`  enters list of these files to the command
 sed -i does inplace modification, backing up the original file to
 name.po.xx

 the command s/\~//g  replaces all ~character by nothing
 /^msgstr/ allows to do that only on lines, which start by msgstr

 (you probably do no want to change the English lines and the lines which
 specify ~ as the accelerator.)


 Once done, you can check the differences by:

 for i in `find . -name \*.po`; do diff $i.xx $i $i.diff; done

 for each po file, a file with differences is created with the following
 records:
 73c73    line number
  msgstr Otvo~riť len na čítanie    input
 ---
 msgstr Otvoriť len na čítanie. output
 If you want to see the ~ characters, use the following before and after
 deletion

 grep \~ `find . -name \*.po`


 While it is easy to get all po files from pootle, I do not know, if it
 is possible to upload many files at once. Perhaps,  git access is useful
 to do this.

 Be careful, always make backups and check the result

 Enjoy
 Milos

 It would be very usefull.

 2011/10/13 Andras Timar tima...@gmail.com

 Hi Michael,

 2011/10/12 Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org:
 2) Accelerators
 Could these *please* be automated by some dandy piece of script rather
 than
 the translator spending hours trying to make sure they don't overlap,
 then
 watching them overlap and spending even more time finding the right one
 and
 changing it? Surely this can be automated.

 I'll answer to other items later, but this one is easy. Accelerators
 are generated automatically when you omit them from your translation.
 VCL takes care of them so they don't overlap.

 Best regards,
 Andras

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Localized autocorrect options

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Dňa 22.08.2011 18:30, Mihkel Tõnnov  wrote / napísal(a):
 2011/8/19 Andras Timar tima...@gmail.com

 Hi Milos,

 2011.08.14. 10:32 keltezéssel, Milos Sramek írta:
 Hi,

 How can one add new (language specific) autocorrect rules?
 (Tools-Autocorrect options.../Localized options)

 Different languages have different rules (for example, single letter
 words in Slovak must not stay at the end of a line, which seems to be OK
 in English) and it would be nice to have an option to specify them.
 Currently, just two such rules exist, one for English and One for French.
 AutoCorrect rules are implemented in
 http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/editeng/source/misc/svxacorr.cxx
 I doubt however, that your problem (single letter
 words in Slovak must not stay at the end of a line) can be solved by
 AutoCorrect rules.

 It could if autocorrect for a single letterspace - the same
 letternon-breaking space worked... Althought that's not exactly
 autocorrect rule as such...
Thank you!

The required rule is similar to the existing French rule, so I'll give
it a try. Now I know where it is.

best,
Milos
 Regards,
 Mihkel



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[libreoffice-l10n] Localized autocorrect options

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

How can one add new (language specific) autocorrect rules?
(Tools-Autocorrect options.../Localized options)

Different languages have different rules (for example, single letter
words in Slovak must not stay at the end of a line, which seems to be OK
in English) and it would be nice to have an option to specify them.
Currently, just two such rules exist, one for English and One for French.

Milos

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Persian (Farsi) Website

[Milos Sramek]

Dňa 07.08.2011 20:28, Bersam K  wrote / napísal(a):
 Hi everybody, i saw this page, http://libreoffice.org/international-sites/,
 there's no Persian LibreOffice WebSite. (fa.libreoffice.com)
 i and some of iranian users want to translate LibreOffice Website into
 Persian So we can have more volunteer to develop and localizers for
 libreoffice. but i don't know who should i talk to.
 i didn't see anything useful for website at pootle (
 https://translations.documentfoundation.org) or in wiki.
Hi Bersam,

the required instructions are available at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NewWebsiteNLT

The first two lines are the most important ones:

* create an account here
  https://www.libreoffice.org/ForumMemberProfile/register
* request on the website mailing list
  http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists#website the
  creation of a site and give the name of it and the code to use


This way, the sk.libreoffice.org page was succesfully created recently
Milos
 Thanks,
 Bersam



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[libreoffice-l10n] panel icon tip text incorrect and not translated

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

the panel icon tip text is incorrect and not translated (to Slovak, but
perhaps also other languages).

Observed in:
LibO_3.3.0rc3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
LibO_3.3.0rc3_Linux_x86-64_langpack-deb_sk.tar.gz
and Ubuntu 10.10

The problem:

The tip text says:
--
Libreoffice 3.3
The office productivity suite compatible to the open and standardized
ODF document format. Supported by Sun Microsystems.
--

Please notice the word Sun


This string is different is OOO 3.3:

--
The office productivity suite compatible to the open and standardized
ODF document format. Supported by Oracle.
--

(http://pootle.services.openoffice.org/sk/openoffice_org/translate.html?unit=3943341)

I think that this string should be added to the LO specific strings and
Sun Microsystems should be replaced by TDF.

Milos

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[libreoffice-l10n] Translation vanished

[Milos Sramek]

Hi everybody,

I am new on this list and I want to introduce myself first: My name is
Milos Sramek and I am a member of the Slovak OOO translation team which
will take take care also of the LO localization.

Now the problem: two days ago I uploaded full translation (with some
fuzzy strings) of the lo-build-sk.po file to pootle through the upload
feature at
http://translations.documentfoundation.org/sk/libo33/edit.html. Pootle
subsequently confirmed full translation.

However, the file is today in the old half translated status.
Fortunately, I have the translated file on my computer.

So, something went wrong.

Thanks,
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[libreoffice-l10n] update from OOO

[Milos Sramek]

Dear all,

I have just checked the recent LO beta - the Slovak translation which is
used there is a couple of months old.

Will they be updated prior to LO3.3 release somehow automatically, or
should we ask somebody to do that?

A brief note on the procedure how are the OOO strings taken from the OOO
repository on http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translation_for_3_3
would help. The OOO localization procedure is not very simple and I
think that information where are the strings taken from can help us to
make sure (on the OOO side) that the strings are there in the right moment.

Thanks
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation vanished

[Milos Sramek]

Dňa 29.12.2010 13:13, Rimas Kudelis  wrote / napísal(a):
 2010.12.29 13:48, Nguyen Vu Hung rašė:
 On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Milos
 Srameksramek.mi...@gmail.com  wrote:
 However, the file is today in the old half translated status.
 Fortunately, I have the translated file on my computer.

 So, something went wrong.
 I confirmed. It happened to me as well.
 pootle admin please take a look at this issue.

 Fortunately, I got a backup so it was as simple as an upload with
 merge or overwrite option.

 I think it was my mistake, and it applies to all locales. While
 debugging another problem yesterday, I issued a command to re-import
 all files from disk, and forgot to tell it to keep translations that
 are already in the database, but not in files.

 Please accept my apologies... :(
Dear Rimas,

no problem, repaired :)
Miloš

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